The Science Behind Growth Hormone, Recovery & Anti-Aging | TRS 048

(electronic music) - Hey guys, welcome back to the Resilient Show. Super pumped about this episode. If you guys have heard me talk about BioPro, BioPro is a product that I have really got behind. I'm a personal user of and has been a big part of this show. And today we're gonna have Dustin Bakeron, who's the president and one of the owners of BioPro. And I wanna make sure like upfront, I say this, this is not an infomercial for one of our sponsors. We don't offer that to those who sponsor the show. I want to bring Dustin on and talk about BioPro because I believe in the product so much. But I really want to talk to him about entrepreneurship. His experience in entrepreneurship, his life story is a pretty incredible life story. And but mostly like I wanna talk to him about alternative preventative medicines that are available in a market place today in contrast to your traditional pharmaceutical medicines that we've seen a lot in the United States. So this is a topic that I'm super interested in. I believe you as an audience, you guys as an audience will be super interested in it. And I think we're gonna have a lot of fun and learning a lot, be really informed, which is the point of this show. So Dustin, welcome to the Resilient Show. - Thank you for having me. I'm excited to be here and participate as well. So thanks, Chad. - Well thanks for putting out such an incredible product. It has got me sleeping again. - Yeah. - And every one of our guests that come on the show, you know one of the things we give them is a Smith to us rifle of our techs optics, some Gators I wear and BioPro. And we hear back all the time how can I get more. And some of the guests have actually become ambassadors for you and Gallagher's. And Gallagher's like every other post. - Really nice guy by way. - Oh he's a main, he's really good to our team. He's super nice. - He is a brilliant guy. - I was having dinner with him the other night in Las Vegas, we're at Andrew Arabitos for half face blades and had a bunch of his friends there and Eddie was next to me and we were talking for a long time by a pro and he was in. And how much of an impact is made in his fitness and his overall health. And he was like, I mean off camera, just the two of us talking and he's like man my cognitive ability like has improved. - I'm a believer, a million percent. I mean I was a user of the original formulations of this product since 2014 when I had nothing to do with any of this stuff. So I'm right there with you. I really do, I mean it's become my entire life right? Outside of family and faith. But I wouldn't do it if I didn't really actually believe in it, I would be able to sleep at night. - Yeah, I'm the same way. Well you could sleep at night if you were in bio pro. - Yes, sure. - I'm gonna read Destin's bio because I want the audience to really understand kind of who we're about to talk to. So Destin Baker is a visionary entrepreneur at the forefront of health and fitness innovation with over a decade of experience in industry. His passion for optimizing human health led him to acquire bio protein technology where he's now the president. And he transformed it into a pioneering company that's reshaping the landscape for natural wellness. With extensive experience collaborating closely with elite professional athletes, esteemed physicians and international private security and military personnel, Destin's passion revolves around both optimizing physiological and cognitive potential. His relentless pursuit for pioneering alternatives to synthetic drugs led to the creation of the breakthrough non-synthetic alternative to growth hormone or HCH, which has revolutionized industry by offering a safe and effective drug free alternative enhancing the lives of countless individuals seeking a safer approach to vitality. His collaboration with industry leaders in his profound understanding of human physiology has shaped bio-pro into an unparalleled beacon of innovation. So. - I did not write that, by the way. - Yeah. - Tip screen for whoever wrote that. - Yeah, it was great. And I mean, when I read it, I was gonna, I was gonna, he just tried to summarize it down for this kind of thing. And I'm like, no, I wanna read all of that because I think it really speaks to what you've created. And one of the things, I mean, I wanna talk about several things, but one of the things specifically is, I'm a believer of creating movements and then attaching to right people to help that movement move forward. - No, you're not. - And what I've seen with you in this company, bio-pro is like, it's not just a product, it's you created this movement. And all these amazing human beings have felt the same experience you have that I have. And they're like wanting to move it forward. So I get a lot of messages like after an episode, it's like, hey, do you really use that stuff? That stuff really works. - Everybody does. - Everybody does. - Like is it snake oil? And I'm like, no, I would not, same as you, I would not promote it if I didn't believe in it. And so it really is a big deal. And or else I wouldn't, we wouldn't be doing this episode right now. So I definitely, like I said, I wanna make this information, but definitely wanna get into bio-pro. But before we do, I wanna learn how you became like an entrepreneur, you're kind of life story, you're origin, not bio-pro's art just story, you're origin story. - Yeah, I mean, I have done interviews, I've done different things like that. It's not my forte. But it's funny always hearing like the bio-read is because it just blows my mind that, when we get into that, like, I'll start before this, but like, I mean, I was a glorified janitor is how this is basically all has started in the, basically the gym and fitness space. Legitimately, and janitors get paid, I didn't even get paid, but, so it's just wild to hear that and to hear that it's a movement and stuff. Like, I'm sitting here smiling and it's like really unbelievable, 'cause I still don't believe it almost to this day. Like, my wife still is like, you have a great, like, we were just talking, like, she have a great business, like, all these things are gone, and it's just mind blowing, and I think it's when you're passionate about something and you care, and you care about the people that you like help, not to like to my own horn, but like, we do, and like, people that work for us, like, we care, like, that's how we build our team and do that stuff. It almost happens, I'm not gonna say about trying, but it almost happens kind of, and that's how it feels, right? Because it happens organically, yeah. - Yeah, yeah, so. - I mean, how long do you have for this story? I mean, I was born in Michigan, I grew up in Tampa. I was just kind of a normal kid. I grew up with a single mom. My grandma raised me. I had two siblings. One of the interesting things though is, like, I got into health and fitness, but as a kid, I was like a fat kid, right? I was like a fat ginger kid. I think my ID, my ID might still say this, but like, when I was 16, I was 5'3", I was 220 pounds. One day I got off the plane to like, see my dad. He didn't recognize me when I walked off the plane. Like, I was a short fat kid, right? So I had a lot of that. And so, when I got older, I grew up a little bit, growing to my weight and stuff like that. But like, when I was a child, health and fitness, it didn't have a part in our life, if that makes sense. Like, our lives were, how do we get to church and school on time? Like, how do we have enough of gas money to do that? Like, how do we, we were focused on survival, right? So those things were never really tall with us. They were never a big part of our lives. I played organized sports, you know, but I was a kid in baseball who got his three guaranteed innings and then, you know, sat the bench, right? Well, we had fun. But I didn't have kind of those things. I didn't have the health and fitness type stuff in my life. And I think that played a role to kind of how I got to here, because those bad habits that I picked up as a child with not having good habits really evolved into being a young adult with really bad habits, right? Drinking, smoking, all this nonsense that sorts of compound. And when I was in high school, didn't really care. I mean, I barely graduated. I was making a joke like I can barely read a write, let alone run this company. But, you know, squeaked by. I went to college, but I never really actually went. I kind of just paid the student loans off and then, you know, it dropped out. And my life became a life of really like, drinking and parting. I mean, early 20s. And then I had a friend who looked at me one day, 'cause I was moving around like I didn't really, no, I didn't have anything. I think my parents found me still. I found me still wondering. Yeah, how do I get 40 bucks to pay my cell phone bill or buy a case of beer? And that's really what it was, right? And so I had a friend, a really good friend, and his name's Mike. And I always call him out, 'cause I think people who make impacts in your life, I think they need to, whether he knows it or not, like, re-ish, to hear that you're grateful in that they had a huge impact in your life. And so I always call him out, if it's an interview or stuff, his name's Mike. He's a firefighter in Michigan. And he was really into fitness. And he would train at a gym and train people and stuff. And I never worked out a day in my life. And one day he came to me and he was like, "Hey dude, in so many words, why don't you stop doing that the life I was living and why don't you just come like, work out with me one day?" And so I did. And that was the first time like we worked out, I worked out in a basement. And after that workout, I basically, not basically I did, I quit drinking at that point for the time being. I quit drinking at that point and focused all my time and energy because I have a lot of it. I was unemployed. A lot of time and energy learning everything I could about working out, human physiology, food, nutrition, things that I had never known. And it kind of just really gave me, I think, a purpose. And it gave me something that really interests me that I didn't have. It gave me something I could work for that I couldn't scan my way into, all of these different things. And I really took to it. And that was, there's two major changes in my life, like paradigm shifts of way that I was living and that was number one by far. And that led me to actually, you know, I started working out of the gym and we worked out, he brought me into his gym that he was training, it was a performance style gym. They were doing Olympic weightlifting and the guy that owned that gym, was a ex Olympic to Catholic. He trained for I think Athens in Beijing. I could be wrong, but that's where I remember it. His name's Joe, Joe Sibulski. You can look him up, he's in Michigan. He does training for collegiate athletes and stuff like that. Brilliant mind from a brilliant mind of how to train humans and like performance athletics. And so I started working out that gym. He owned that gym. He and I never really actually spoke. And at that time I did have a job. I was working in like bars and stuff like that. And I was paying my gym membership. Now at this point, my whole life was focused around fitness and working out and then working on the side. Well, I lost that job. I didn't want to argue with manager or something stupid, lost a job. So I went to Joe, 'cause I couldn't afford the gym membership. I think back then it was like $180 a month, which was like crazy back then, right? And I was like, "Hey Joe, you don't know me, but I can't pay you. I can't pay you gym membership, but I really don't want to leave. Like I love it here. I'll take out your garbage. I will sweep your floors, I'll clean toilets. Just, let me like work for my gym membership." He's like, "Okay, cool." So that's what I did. And then I started showing up at his gym to just work for free at 7 a.m. Back then you couldn't literally get me out of bed for anything before 12 to 12.30. And so like I'm at this guy's gym, 7 a.m. free of charge, doing whatever I could. And so he took me under his wing. He started teaching me things that I didn't know anything about. I grew up separate from my father. My father's not a bad guy. He just, you know, he had a different wife and and stepkids and stuff like that. I grew up separate. I grew up my mom and my grandma. So I didn't have that male like role model in my life, right? I didn't, like he was there from a distance, but I didn't have, you know, I didn't have the dad coach. I didn't have the dad at baseball games. I didn't have someone teaching me kind of like the way the world from a male perspective. I kind of was on my own in that regard. And a lot of my life I was at my own because my mom worked 16 hour days and stuff like that. So Joe was the first guy to take me under his wing, whether he realizes it or not. And he used to teach me things like, he started teaching me how to like weld. And what's the funny story about that? If everybody knows like those assault air bikes. Okay, so before those existed, Joe would send me around the state of Michigan to find the old gold air dines that were in like grandparents' basement or in somebody's garage that never used. And he would take these bikes and he would program them into workouts. And he would attach bike monitors to them like so you could actually quantify the amount of work that you're doing. And we used to weld wheels on the bottom like basically rebuild what an air bike is today before those ever existed. And they would be programmed to work. Like he was way ahead of his time in that respect. But he used to teach me how to weld and fix equipment and build things. Then I get really into the sales and marketing side of stuff. And I wanted to help him grow his business. And we just had different ideas. And at that point he started paying me. Like, this boy you probably working for him, right? Yeah, I think one time he paid me like 500 bucks a month. And when he paid me, I remember like thinking in my own head like, okay, I can make money at this. Like this could be a real job. And I was totally cool with 500 a month back then. You know, so I started doing that. But that only lasts so long. And you know, 500 only gets you so far. And so I had to move back to Florida. And I started serving restaurants again. And the third day I started at this restaurant right when I moved back to Florida. I met a gentleman who owned a gym. And I was like, I wanna come work for you. He's like, okay, cool show up here. The next day, I showed up the next day. He wasn't there. I sat around for like three hours waiting for him to get back. Kind of my way into another job. I was like, hey, I'll fix your stuff. I'll clean your barbells. At this point, not a fixed equipment and do things. So I'll fix your stuff. I'll clean your toilets, take out your garbage. And he paid me an hourly rate. And I was like, I'm killing it now. And I'm like a 600 dollars a month now. Yeah, something like that. I was paying $15 an hour. And then within several months, I was basically running the place. I got to enact a lot of my marketing and sales tactics for growing the business. It was working. So he kind of stepped out and I was running his gym. And I mean, the reason why I tell a lot of those stories is in that same business park was the lab where the original formulas of what became biopro were being created. So it kind of leads into the biopro story from there. Did you meet an investor? Like, how'd you-- I mean, you make $15 an hour. How do you buy-- Oh, we're still years away from that. OK. Yeah. How do you buy into it? Well, that was never a thing. This is 20-- this is 2014. OK. So a lot of the guys that worked there, at this lab, manufacturing space, they would work out of the gym. And so you get to know people, you get to know stuff. The owners would work out there. And I was a little different now, but I was much louder back then. I was very-- look at me. I mean, I was loud. I was obnoxious, I would say. And so I would meet these guys. And I would-- if there's one thing I've always learned, it's-- or if I have any type of superpower whatsoever, it's to identify opportunities, and not only be able to identify opportunities, but to execute on those. So if I find something I want to be a part of, or I could grow my life career, whatever that is with, I'm going to take advantage of that opportunity. Sure. And so those guys were working there. Well, I wanted to know, how can I get involved? What can I do? I was taking their products. And plus, I couldn't really afford them back then. We'd be very honest with you. And so I was like, OK, cool. Can I work for you guys, for products, stuff like that? And that relationship, by the time that relationship was had matured, I was helping them create marketing materials. I was inputting them into our facility and threading them in with people that I was-- because at this point, I was training individuals now. I hadn't certified and done some stuff. So I was threading them into the individuals I was training. I would train other salespeople, if you will, other athletes and ambassadors and things like that to help promote their products. And then I got picked up by-- after that gym, I got picked up by-- there's a national franchise that does professional collegiate and youth sports training. And they had a location in Tampa. And I got picked up by that location to run their sales and marketing, be their director of sales and marketing for that. And we were training NFL, CFL collegiate like collegiate athletes. We were prepping guys for combine. And so I took the products and then threaded them into that facility. And in that process, and they did extremely well, the athletes loved them, the general population loved them, it did well. That progressed into, at that point, I was creating my own facility, my own concept, my own fitness concept. And I threaded the products into that facility. And that was a different demographic, right? That wasn't professional athletes. That was what I would consider your weekend warriors, your general population, 35 plus years old, 35 to 55. The products did exceptionally well. And that I had started my own product line, but it basically was a, there's a private labeling of the existing formulas. And that, I parted ways from that business venture in 2018. And I went back into football training with that company, because they wanted me back. And basically, I was not happy. I was not happy in that new venture. It was not turning out to kind of what I was signed on to do. And I knew I had to leave. And I had a mentor who is now my business partner, who basically said years before, like, hey, your next venture, if you have an opportunity, I would like to know about it, I'd like to participate. Well, the relationship and the previous ventures that I was in, the last ones didn't exactly go super well. And so I would call him for advice. I'm like, hey, this isn't working out. What do I do? And I was like, I think there's an opportunity, because I knew the gentleman within this company, within Bio-Protting Technology. I think there's an opportunity that they're trying to exit. They're trying to, it was owned by two brothers. The brothers had a split. And one of them got a certain part of the business, the other got a different part of the business. And that part of the business that had Bio-Protting Technology was that gentleman needed, I think, some assistance. I think there was some managerial and operational things that were not doing so well. I mean, your business guy, you understand that? I mean, businesses aren't typically for sale. They're only for sale for two reasons. One, they're wildly successful. And a PE firm comes in from the Northeast and says, hey, the big boys are here. Yeah, we'll get you out. We're going to do this for real. Or the other opportunity is it's needs of rehabilitation. This was the latter. It needed a rehabilitation. And so, called my now business partner and said, hey, I think we had an opportunity here. I went in and did what I do. And like, hey, basically, how do I end up with this? And we had a deal in with in three weeks. And that was December 1 of 2018. And now we're almost seven year, about six years ahead. And we have new formulas and new things. And I mean, we've spent a while right ever since. Yeah, so I guess can you explain, I try every week to explain what Bio-Protting is. Sometimes I'm getting to write, sometimes get it wrong. I have said, and I asked you before the show, if this is old Eastern medicine, modernized, and packaged in a way that is the modern day consumer, the modern day athlete, also an alternative, a safe, and natural alternative to HGH. I mean, all those things are technically accurate. So give us the more accurate description of Bio-Protting. Yeah, it's actually very simple. So you have, so as you mentioned, it's an alternative to human growth. Even growth hormone is the master hormone that your body secretes for metabolic function, for workout performance, for healing muscle tissue, soft legum and tissue tendons, even sexual function, energy, different things like that. But what people don't know is before your body actually ever uses that hormone, it has to be converted into what are called growth factors. Growth factors are just cell signals. That's all that they are. They're technically called protein cytokines, okay? They're little cell signals that get sent out into your blood and they trigger the cellular function that you're looking for. So if you're breaking down muscle tissue, muscle tissue has to, those cells have to replicate and multiply to then heal the area for muscles to grow. Well, it's a growth factor or a protein cytokine that triggers that cellular differentiation and multiplication, right? If it's the skin in your face, that is, you have skin cells in your skin, your epidermis, collagen cells, etc. As you age, the way that your body creates those growth factors goes down because human growth hormone decreases every year since you finish puberty, sometimes by 50%. So the lack of those growth factors to then continue to trigger the cellular differentiation multiplication is why your skin starts to sag. So what we're doing is we are taking growth factors for protein cytokines, which are just complex amino acid chains from another mammal. And then we are giving them to you a mammal. They're molecularly identical to what your body takes. So all we're doing is offsetting what your body no longer produces. Your growth hormone goes down, therefore the growth factors that are produced from that growth hormone go down, which is why we age. That's why we start to feel like crap. That's why you feel great at 25 when you just finish your peak growth hormone levels. They start to decrease. Then you hit 40, you wake up, you're like, "Man, I don't look like I used to look. I feel how I used to feel." Well, all of those cell signals that used to trigger all of these functions are no longer as. You have no longer have as many. So all we're doing is giving those cell signals directly. And because it's a natural source, and it's because it's technically it's a protein, it doesn't cause the negative side effects. Like injecting a synthetic hormone would that's going to shut down your natural production. We work on what's called the right side of the liver. We work after conversion into those protein cytokines, not before. Before the liver, you're looking at manipulation of glandular function, the glands that create these hormones, you're suppressing the natural secretion of those hormones. You're causing potential side effects that I'm not really. As a user, I'm not really interested in participating in it. That's why I relate so much to our own product and why it matters to me. No alternative to this would be actually injecting a synthetic human growth hormone. That's true. Or a peptide that would manipulate the actual secretion of that hormone. You have a couple of different options. You can spur human growth hormone naturally. You can do that that's very well proven scientifically, especially high-intensity and interval training, is proven to spur growth hormone. So this growth hormone is a pulsating hormone. You can spur its secretion, especially through exercise. You can improve growth hormone through nutrition, like many other types of things. You can improve the times at which it's typically secreted like your sleep. You can improve what people call sleep hygiene, temperatures of rooms, the type of environment you sleep in, not being disturbed. All those things can help you. Cold water therapy, I heard is another. There's a whole thing about certain temperatures that are not warm of how sleeping is better for your sleep cycles. So improving the two sleep cycles where your body naturally secrets hormone, including testosterone, is men at 70% and 90% is in two sleep cycles. SWS sleep, slow asleep and REM sleep, rapid eye movement sleep, which everybody wears or trackables, every like, there's fun stuff. Go track them. It's pretty wild how little of time you spend in those cycles. You can improve those and you can immediately improve hormone secretion, testosterone, growth hormone, all kinds of stuff. Beyond that, you have synthetic treatments. You can go to a physician, depending upon what state you're in. If we're going to talk specifically about growth hormone, it's extremely highly regulated. It isn't exactly like TRT, which I'm from Florida. TRT is you have a McDonald's, a Starbucks, and a TRT. You get your coffee, you get your breakfast, and then you get your testosterone subnate. Physicians' assistance, like open clinics. Yeah, 100%. Yeah. Which for better for worse? Because you have access to experimental or alternative medical treatments that you might not get from a primary care physician, depending upon the area you're in. But if you're looking at growth hormone, that's very, very differently regulated. We have physicians that offer growth hormone in the state of California, and those are 20,000 or a month protocols. They anywhere from in Florida, maybe around 3 grand for growth hormone, after you include all the fixings you need to do it. But if you're outwashed where things are extremely highly regulated, you're in other countries like Canada. And I don't want to speak on Canada's medical regulations because I'm not very well first on them. But they're very similar to California in the respect of what you're allowed to do and what you're not. I mean, you're looking at, they're not available. Unless you're paying a lot. That's a lot of money, dude. I can't remember. I remember liver kings kind of controversy came out. $11,000 a month. Yeah. And he was probably getting a deal. Yeah. At least I spoke to a doctor, not me, but I was dealing with one of our clinical representatives that deal with our physicians and we're one of the doctors right now because they love the product, but they offer growth hormone treatments. 20 Gs. That's insanity. I mean, that's crazy prices, right? So you have those options. They're available to you. The peptide is another option, which again, it's not a replacement of growth hormone. It's a manipulation of the actual gland that produces growth hormone. And so it's kind of like squeezing a lemon. You're squeezing more juice out. There's good and bad things with that. So we talk about peptide, like, some more lint. Yeah. And some more lint, some more lint stuff like that. And then the, but a lot of the issues with that is now the FDA has since stepped in as of November of 2023 where they have specific regulations and bands on certain peptides and stuff like that. So if you're ordering them, the process of ordering them or knowing where they're coming from is a little bit in the gray area now. Not that you can't get them, not that you can, but where they're coming from. I mean, now you're talking about tapping into markets overseas and you can't always guarantee efficacy, purity issues when you're going to different types of markets overseas. We all know how that turned out last time. Sure. Yeah. So, and then the last option is. Oh, yeah, you can take bio from. Yeah, you can take bio from. I'm not really a big fan of pharmaceuticals unless they're medically deemed necessary. I'm not a big fan of being dependent on anything synthetically or anything for that matter that I'm ingesting. Bio pros are not dependent. So it gives me and a lot of other guys who aren't necessarily interested in taking the needle an alternative that they can take to get similar benefits without a lot of side effects. But being said, most of the clinics that offer our product and a lot of the guys that user product are on synthetic treatments as well. And that's fine. If they're medically necessary and you love that stuff, go for it. I mean, I'm not opposed to those in our mouth. You can do both. In fact, a lot of physicians show improved blood panels after they add bio pro and that has to do with the the symbiotic relationship of testosterone and growth hormone. You have to have adequate growth hormone or IGF1 to utilize testosterone, whether it's natural or synthetic optimally. So a lot of guys will take TRT treatments and they don't get the benefits that they're expecting because everybody thinks it's like it's coming through needle to drug. It's going to work. Well, that's not actually entirely true. If you don't address your growth hormone or IGF1 levels, which is insulin like growth factor number one, the science is clear that you cannot absorb the testosterone optimally. Again, whether it's natural or synthetic. So a lot of physicians will add the bio pro as an incinerated product, an additional product to help the absorption rates of testosterone, which could mean one of two things. You might not need as much. You might not need as much as a synthetic drug to guys who don't respond can help them. And three, this is something we're exploring more and more as we're getting a lot of females from our clinical side where physicians are prescribing bio pro for females, which is clearly not our target demographic, but what they're finding is the one of the number one treatments for women to go into paramedics. Menopause is actually testosterone treatment and a lot of women aren't actually real thrilled about hearing that and/or injecting themselves into testosterone. So they're able to add bio pro into the regimen so they can avoid the testosterone treatment and get the same types of benefits that they would have gotten from a TRT treatment. But it's clearly much less invasive and there's no dependency associated with it and it works pretty fast. And we're getting crazy results with that right now. So that's a new awesome. A little bit. This is the first time I've ever said that out loud in public, by the way, because I was, yeah. So you heard her first year at, you know, Chad, always consult your physician first. I should look into that one. I should look into the camera. So your doctor first, please. Yeah. Yeah. A lot of times I'll ask about certain people with different things and several times I've reached out to you and asked or Cody and you guys have said that. Consult your physician. So synthetic HGH compared to bio pro, what's the potency difference? The results difference. Well, that is a, that's not a question you can kind of answer directly and the reason why is because how much HGH are you taking? That sounds a save. You got people that owe abuse, right? Abuse and so more. Right. I'm only going to answer that anecdotally because if you start to throw out specific things, it's always going to be something else. And I'm not a physician and I know. know how to tread lightly on certain issues. Because I'm not a doctor and I cannot prescribe, I cannot give medical advice. Nothing of what I'm saying is medical advice. So anecdotally, what I will tell you is, for a lot of guys that have used HH in the past, they prefer the bio-profer several different reasons. One is, one of the fastest things that occurs when you start injecting growth hormone for a lot of guys. And again, we're not talking about specific amounts. Aside from that, is water retention. So that's been a specific thing of guys that have used HH, since they don't get the water retention from bio-pro the same way they would, yet they feel the same benefits. The other thing is, a lot of people don't know this, is when you start to use growth hormone, you get carbotonolite syndromes. And you get issues with your hands and your wrists. And you're not gonna experience any of that with bio-probe. There's not even ever been one report or anything like that ever of anything like that. - If you're being a Getsu athlete, I mean, the sport of Getsu is as bad as probably, bodybuilding when it comes to abusing steroids and certain things. And so I've heard that a lot from guys that were doing HHs, they were getting their elbows are getting tight, especially all the pressure in Getsu in your hands. - Oh, I can't even imagine that. - I never thought about that. - Yeah, like a lot of guys were complaining about when they were on HHs, they were getting, you know, pain like a lot of joint pain and stuff from it. - I mean, I'm not saying HHs doesn't work. I'm sure that it does, but it's, you know, everything's working, right? I've never been in a fitness for aesthetics. I've been in a functional fitness. - I hear you. - And I said, certainly would never want to take anything that would prohibit me from being most functional than I could be. - I agree with you. - What about the source, right? So obviously we're talking synthetic HGH, right? The source is from a lab. What's the source? What's the ingredients in biopropagation? - We're interacting growth factors, protein-side of kinds from another mammal. - Okay. - The mammal is not harmed. The mammal actually lives four to seven years longer on the farm than they would in the wild. - Yeah. - Can you say what kind of mammal? - Yeah, it's, we use Servaday and Species, so antler-bearing mammals, specifically the American elk. - Okay. - So there's one organ in the entire mammalian animal kingdom that fully regenerates. And that is an antler, right? From an antler-bearing mammal. - Every year, region-res. - Every year. And so we use the American elk. The antlers grow one, several inches, one to two inches a day, they can grow up to hundreds and hundreds of pounds, like it's like faster than grass grows. And so when they're growing and they're regenerating, they're inside of what is called velvet. And inside that velvet is porous living tissue, just like your arm, right? And so you can actually harvest this material and you can extract it and you can extract and separate the usable from the unusable and higher quality than not clearly. But then you can ingest it as a human being and you can get the same exact type of benefits. But there's a very specific process to do it. Unfortunately, when you start to get into that world, there's a lot of alternative or different style of products that kind of piggyback on science that they can actually use because they're not producing it the same way. The way that we do it is similar to a PRP process of harvesting the material, putting it through a very specific extraction process and separates good material from bad and makes it in a way that a human being can actually ingest it and absorb the for lack of a better term active ingredients. - When you say bio-identical, bio-available, is that, is that, - Bio-identical and bio-available is different. But yes, the absorption rate, the way that we're doing it, so we want you to absorb the active ingredients directly into the mucosal lining of your mouth, which is why you've folded under your tongue instead of just spraying it in your mouth or taking a pill or different types of weird things. We're trying to avoid the digestive tract. The tissue in your mouth is the fastest way to get into your bloodstream other than anal. - What's that? - anal, right there. - That's correct. - Well, it's actually, I mean, that's actually, so it's exactly the same tissue. This tissue is exactly almost the same. So yes, we don't make suppositories, we don't make injections. And if you were to put this into an nasal spray, which is another way to do that, man, I can't even imagine what that would feel like. But, - I can, because, because it's say holding your mouth for 90 seconds, I follow the rules, right? I put it in my mouth for 90 seconds and I had to sneeze. And I was like, I was, you know, gonna bear through the sneeze and then the sneeze came. And so I pinched my nose to keep it from close mouth and then my nostril, my nasal cavity got filled with the myopro. And it felt like I got peppered. - I've been exactly there where, like, you have to sneeze and it's like, you just hold it in and you figure out how to keep it down. - I don't want to waste it. It's like, yeah. - I didn't and then when in my nasal cavity, it was like fire. - So, for those of you who I try, it's, there's a reason that it has a burn to it at first and you could use to it. - You do. The point is, you have to express those blood vessels. You can't just expect them to optimally absorb anything. So we have an ingredient we add. - Comes from France. - And a very specific region in France. But it expresses the blood vessels in your mouth so that you can actually absorb the product directly in your bloodstream and get the best effects as far as-- - Crazing a little burn. - Yeah. A lot of people really like that. - I do. - And then you look forward to the intensity. It's kind of part of your thing. Like your daily routine, right? I've had texts before from some of the guys that like, oh man, I run out, like I really miss. I miss the intensity. It's like, dude, you want something to wake you up in the morning. Biofrost the way to go. - Yeah. So, yeah, when I first started using it, I didn't do all the research because it was so highly recommended by Greg Lapin and Josh Guerrero and some of my buddies and they've been pushing me for quite a while and I kind of avoided it. And then when I tried it, I ended up feeling great and you guys shipped me some, but I didn't know there was a nighttime product. And so I had all these boxes and I was taking it and I got so sleepy. I'm like, I wasn't as well as wrong with me. I'm like, I want to just lay down in the middle of the day and I realized I was taking a nighttime. - In the nighttime form of that. - Yeah, nighttime, I'm like, oh. - You would be the first guy to do that. When I travel, I take the vials and I just put them in my bag and I can tell the difference just by looking at them like a whole bunch of light. There's a different consistency. And I always worry about that. I was like, take a mind this morning. I'm like, don't take the nighttime one. Don't take the nighttime one. Don't take the night as thingy as well. I was like, I want to be passing out of this guy's show. But I didn't take the nighttime one. - What I did was, so when I opened the box now, I take a black Sharpie and I do a line across, I do a line across all the lids for the nighttime. - You're not alone. You're not alone. Other people do the Sharpie method as well. - Yeah, so yeah, it's a, but I was, after getting through that, I was so pleasantly surprised with the way the nighttime went. - Well, at least you know that it works. - I mean, it works, yeah. - And I went, this is the thing I brag about most about Biopro all the time is I went from sleeping at four hours a night to just getting a full like eight, nine hours of sleep every night when I take it. - I mean, sleep is, and we sell stuff, right? But sleep, just improving your sleep, like forget Biopro entirely, improving your sleep is the closest thing to taking a performance enhancing drug as you possibly can do if your sleep is trash. If you actually monitor your sleep cycles, most, and another thing people don't really realize is that as you age, similar to hormones decreasing, your body's ability and at the length of time you spend in deep sleep actually decreases every single decade that you age. And so a lot of people like they don't, they don't actually look at fixing their sleep, they're like, I'm just gonna go to bed earlier. - That's great. Most people that actually fall through, that we all have crazy lives, we have busy schedules, you got kids, man, I got a toddler, like she's on all kinds of crazy, like we're not on the same sleep schedule, let's just say that. But they don't attack the, what we mentioned earlier, which is the two deep sleep cycles where these hormones are produced. And if you can optimally then improve those, you can improve those from whatever, you're going to naturally improve your natural function, which I think people should be addressing first and foremost. Like yeah, we sell products and we do that stuff, but there's so many other things you can do. And I'm not the crazy guy that like has blackout curtains or like all these, there's no shortage of anything you can buy to do all kinds of stuff like sleep and everything like that. But at least understanding and giving yourself a baseline and a quantitative result to where your sleep is at and then working slowly to improve those things, I think as some things everybody can do, that's 100% free. 100% free, you can do it, you can start tonight. It just takes maybe a little reading and a little action. - This is a daytime one. It has some benefits on it. Anti-aging, metabolism, libido, immune system, whichever I can use that right now, the every year we get a new virus, right? Your skin, cognition. So that's a lot of products that talk about cognitive benefits. And Ojo Rogan's big on what's it called? The alpha brain. Like he said, I don't speak, I don't get on a podcast before. And I've tried stuff and nothing's really, I'm like, I've never really noticed anything. And when I first started BioPro, I wouldn't say I noticed anything, but then I took like, I took like two weeks off of that. And then I ran out like a miss my shipment from you guys or something and my fault, I'm sure. But I started feeling like foggy. And I'm like, what's it feels? Because I wasn't taking my BioPro. And then I got it back and I took it and I just felt like it was like a restart. And then I recognized it. And so there was a huge, I mean, this would mean that he were talking about who's cognitive like benefit from it. What's that come from? What is like, what's your source of? - You could tie it to a few different things. The way that I would tie it is as you age, and this actually I believe ties a lot into metabolic effects. - Right. growth factors specifically. specifically help improve two things that work hand in hand. One is insulin resistance and blood sugar utilization. Okay. So blood sugar utilization insulin resistance is how your body utilizes the food that you eat as energy. So if your body has issues or it's hard for it, it's not getting triggered, right? Let's stick with the trigger word in the cell triggers to utilize blood sugar or uptake efficiently. Then things like brain fog, lack of energy, those things inherently will take place. So IGF1 specifically, there's lots of science behind it to show the improvement of blood sugar utilization and fixing of insulin resistance, which is why individuals will see metabolic effects, which is why they lose weight that they magically couldn't lose before. It's not that they weren't trying. It's not that they like weren't doing what they needed to do. But sometimes some things are outside of your control or to be fair, sometimes we cause issues like metabolic syndrome or insulin resistance by pharmaceutical drug use that we use that are prescribed by our physicians or sedentary lifestyle, poor diets and habits, like the compounds and like it's snowball effect, right? And then you wake up 44 years old and you don't have the energy to drive, you can't lose body fat. And so if you're able to improve some of these things, even incrementally, right? Like there's no silver bowl that you're gonna magically do out there, at least that's gonna be healthy for you long-term. So with the growth factors, you're able to improve a lot of those things. - I have super proud that Smith and Weson Firearms is the supporter of this show. I have been shooting Smith and Weson Firearms as a kid. It's one of America's most patriotic companies that has been around 170 years. The Brazilian show is honored to partner with Smith and Weson. I personally use Smith and Weson Firearms every day from every day carry. I keep Smith and Weson Firearms in my home, from my home defense. When I'm out on the range practicing, it is Smith and Weson at the end of my group. So check them out and I hope you join me in carrying one of America's most iconic firearms. - Yeah, so important for me, you know, I was doing public speaking, I'm doing this podcast and doing writing books. Like, and I'm, you know, a lot of times I'm pushing my pace is like 1,000 miles an hour. So to have that cognitive clarity and not get rid of it, I'm brain-throbbing. - Yeah, 100%. - 100%. - Yeah, that's something I really, I don't wanna do without. So, so that's all, you know, I'm talking about the benefits of it. Who's it, I guess, who's it for? 'Cause I think a lot of people listening in our audience, I'm worried you think this is just for athletes. - No, that's fair. You know, athletes get a lot of benefit from athletes, Mark of the product really well. Like, who wouldn't write? And everybody loves boom pow, you know, Shazam to see on the internet. So it's great. But realistically, hormonal decline is happening to everybody. And I hate to say that the product's ready for, you know, right for everyone. It is and it isn't in the sense that we really focus on individuals over the age of 30. When we started or when we acquired the company, we kinda focused more on 35 to 40 years old. But the science is very clear that the decrease in hormones and men specifically is exponentially dropping. So the rate at which you would have saw hormonal decline and I think the study was back in 2021. They did a study to show men's hormonal levels with a 20 year old and a 60 year old and in the men today, at least from 2021, have a 20 year old has the same hormonal levels as a 60 year old from the year 2000. So the rate at which hormones are decreasing are exponentially increasing. There was even a study that came out in the UK of showing it's mathematically showing that in the United Kingdom by the year 2043 that all men would, in that specific area in their test pool, all men would need some sort of medical intervention to even conceive that the sperm counts were getting so low that they could literally track the mathematical graphs down, right? So we look at individuals who are suffering from that hormonal decline. Is that everybody? Everyone at different rates. So we now look at individuals from 30 plus years old and if you are younger than that, and you're experiencing some of these symptoms that a hormonal decline kind of throws up a red flag, we might be for them as well. But we really focus on individuals living their everyday lives, 30 plus years old who they don't look like they used to, they don't feel like they used to, they look in the mirror and they don't have kind of the same type of, you know, jives as they used to have. And that's part of life, but it doesn't have to be really. That's how to slow it. Yeah, you can slow it. You can feel it, but you don't have to feel like crap all the time. You can feel better, right? And like that's what I'm really passionate about as an individual is when I was in the fitness space, where we kind of like ran through that. I took over this guy's gym, I became a trainer, I got sort of like, that's what I really thought I really wanted to do for the rest of my life. And I really did enjoy that. I mean, that was that kind of crafted most of my personality, it crafted how I operate my business and it gave me this launching pad to all these other things. What I realized was the people that would come to me to get help from a training perspective were always the same. They were individuals that give or take a few years, but they were typically individuals who were 40 plus years old. They were going through some sort of something in their life that was cause them potentially negative change, divorce, you know, something, you know, intermarital, something like, I hate to use the word midlife crisis, but like something that would, they were struggling with internally, right? Other than just fitness, but it was the same way fitness kind of came in and changed my life from being kind of a complete dirt bag. They reached out and came to me to help them, right? And it became so much more than just working out. And that is the same type of individual, like I really like to help with biopro and kind of like, with still warms my heart because like you shouldn't, you shouldn't have to like, I'm a man, right? I'm 39 years old. I look in the mirror like everybody else. I'm not 25 anymore. You shouldn't have to look in the mirror and like not like who you are internally, externally, like there's always things you can do. And so I used to be able to help guys specifically through some of those hard times in life kind of waking up when you're 40 something like things are different, they're changed, right? You're not 23 running around, party and having fun, like getting two hours of sleep and waking up and be good to go the next day. And some, you know, life is different at 40. And even 35, right? And the ability to help more guys, other than just what was in like my eight hour or 12 hours days and get those same types of kind of testimonials back and how you can help individuals and they're excited about the product and they're excited how that makes them feel and like one of the guys world champion, Eric Raposo, you know Eric, right? He threw Greg Laffan. Okay. Eric Raposo. Like seven time world champion. Yeah. And so you're talking about athletes and you're talking about how like, oh, it's not just for athletes. We'll take it like this. Eric Raposo, seven time world world champion black balance you get to, works with, you know, they're him and Greg Laffan had that gym and Louisiana, right? Given the product, 'cause, you know, we use athletes from all the product. It's not, we're not hiding anything. Sure. You would think his testimony would come back and like, oh, yeah, I won my eighth world title and I did this. He didn't care about any of that. What he would use was he would work at the, you know, the academy all day and he'd come home and he would have to like take a nap because he was exhausted. And then his kids would be doing whatever. And instead, he was able to have enough energy and he's like, to play with his kids and to be present with them. And his wife literally looked at him and said, like, you've become a better father and not that bio-prose helping somebody become a better father. But if it gives him a little bit of an incremental increase or an extra tool in their tool belt to do things that are important to you or to them, that is why I do what I do. And that's why I like, I actually care. And that's, it makes it fun, you know what I mean? I mean, on the athlete side, you guys have reached into, I mean, I know you mentioned doctors are prescribing. - Yeah, but you get more and more outlets which shows that you're a trusted source and the UFC recently partnered with the UFC gym, right? UFC gym recently partnered with Bio-prose. That's a pretty credible test. - So I purchased Bio-protein technology, which is the company that makes Bio-prose, okay? I actually own the parent company because we have other brands and other things that we do. But the original company that I purchased was a medical company. It did not sell products to, let's just, for lack of a better term, the public. We sold to physicians and physicians sold those products and provided them to their patients. - Okay. - The way that Bio-prose was created was, there was one form, I think we, for, I'm gonna be wrong, let's just say 27 or 30 different formulas that came in part of the acquisition. And, and different strengths of different formulas that had been created, all for the intent and purpose of having alternative formulas to pharmaceutical drugs, right? So if you have somebody like myself who isn't like, I have, I'm very adamant and vehement again, like vehemently against utilizing pharmaceutical drugs for just lots of personal experience very negatively in my past. And so I don't want anything to do with that. Like, not for me personally, I do when it's medically necessary. Anybody take any of that? Yeah, sure, I take any of that. If I need to, have I taken other things to get through? Medically, intervene? Yeah, absolutely. But from a day to day life, like, I will do anything I can to not take a pharmaceutical drug. I don't want to be dependent on anything. So the company that we purchased were providing these products, we were, the company was creating alternatives to pharmaceutical drugs. The original formula that has become and evolved into Bio-prose was a formula of that when I was looking at the brand and I was going through of like, what is most valuable? Like, you know, a typical acquisition, okay, let's get in here and let's get our hands dirty and see what's going on and where are the biggest, Where's the work and I make the biggest impact? There was one form. that would stuck out that the most respected and the highest-acemed physicians, the MDs, the DOs, orthopedic surgeons, what were they, they were buying this formula not to produce, or those don't sell you products, right? They do surgeries. - Right, they don't sell products in their office. Why were, they were buying a formula for themselves. I remember a specific orthopedic surgeon, I won't say where, what, but he has multiple clinics, was ordering from us 'cause I wanted him to provide the product to his patients. And he's like, well, we don't really do that. I'm like, okay, well, why are you buying it? He's like, for my shoulder, I hurt my shoulder, I want to do this, like, you're in orthopedic surgeon, which I mean, he's like, it works. And then there was multiple physicians like that that were just extremely highly esteemed. They weren't like, they were very well respected. And some of them had national presences and they were, they were ordering this product. And I needed to know why. And that's really when I started to get my hands involved into this specific formula and the evolution of this formula. And that's why our company has shifted so much so towards what has now become bio-pro. It's because you know, you can love something all you want and you can really believe in it, which I do. But when you have nationally acclaimed, very high profile medical doctors and DOs that are purchasing for themselves and love the product, I mean, you really have something there. And that's when I started to really dive into the science and bio-probe game to evolve. And now it's a formula that's, I mean, I have all those other formulas. I mean, we maybe make a couple, but bio-proisman shipped over 40 different countries on every continent or the day in Antarctica. We have physicians in South Africa. So it's really taken on a life of its own. It's the movement's been wild. But yeah, a lot of people don't know that. But it's a, it was a clinical brain and still is first and foremost. But that's why about the company is we wanted to get what I believed in. I believe in the products I used them. I wanted to provide them to people who didn't have access to them. - Direct to consumer. - That's correct. - And we still do both. - Yeah. - We still do both. - So like I said, it's with you partner with UFC GM. UFC athletes or any athletes, right? That's under like strict drug testing, Usodda. I know there's a couple other regulatory bodies, but you're able to take this on. I know some UFC fighters are currently taking this and they're not, you know, they're able to get through Usodda testing and stuff like that. - You can't pop a drug test on it. There isn't a test that exists to pop a drug test. - Okay. - When you look at number one, the product itself is not explicitly banned by Usodda. The raw materials that we utilize are not explicitly banned by Usodda. So take that for what you will. The method of action that we use, there isn't a specific test that would pop a drug screening. So you don't really have anything to worry about that. What I will tell you isn't to be fair. There are organizations that specifically do not allow the use of our products and the raw materials, et cetera, like the NFL is one of them. So I have friends and football. I've worked in that space for a while and I'm not saying that they do take it. I'm not saying that they don't take it. But, you know, if you're an athlete, you really, in your concern or worried, you should do your own due diligence. We do work with professional athletes. We've worked in Canadian professional sports, different types of things. Everybody has their different organizations. They have their own different guidelines and you need to make sure because I tell this to guys all the time too that ask me is, will you probably drug test know, but if just the inherent stress of worrying about that is gonna be so high that you just don't use the product because it's the adverse effect of that is a spike in cortisol, which shuts down all your other natural hormone production and it's just, it's not worth it, dude. Just leave your life, man. You talked about doctors, physicians, usagen themselves and then turning around, not offering to their patients and doing orthopedic surgery. Essentially, not throwing stones anyone, that's ethical issue. In the pharmaceutical space, I think there's a lot of ethical issues. I know RFK by the time this episode comes out, hopefully has been confirmed. He spent his life going after big pharmaceutical companies that are for pushing pharmaceuticals over preventative care and alternative care and all these things. And I mean, you're existing in a space of, I know there's a paternalology for it, but I would say preventative care, alternative care as it's alternative to the pharmaceutical, the big pharmaceutical industry. And how much pushback do you think there is? Maybe not against biopro but just in the pharmaceutical industry against alternative treatments. - Depends on your talking too. - In the medical space, I use, and this is just how I look at it. You have two different sides of medicine. You have kind of physicians that are stuck in their ways. They're very old school for lack of a better term. You know, they follow what they were told. They don't really veer often looking to what you would consider alternative treatments in therapies. Then you have individuals that are way on the other side of the spectrum that that's all that they do. And there's never a reason to ever medically intervene and use any type of synthetic drug and whatever. And I think from, and this is a personal opinion, everything we've gone through in the last few years has shown at least in this country. And actually, I mean, I talk to guys all over the world. I think the general public, and I think, I'm very fine saying this, this is a good thing, is people are taking a vested interest in kind of doing their own research, which they, I think is a good thing. I'm not saying it can't lead to negative consequences it can. That's why having, you know, using some tact and some discernment in this area is very good, but I think you should be questioning kind of the status quo for the way that medicine has been for a long time because there is pushback on experimental or alternative treatments that are not as available as maybe traditional medicine has. And what you're seeing is because of that push from the public, more physicians that were probably way over here on this other side of never even looking at other things or the medical industry as a whole is now shifting towards what I would consider the center, which is really good. Yeah. And that's called the integrative space where before people who practiced functional or integrative medicine were looked at as like quacks. Right. 10 years ago, 15 years ago, this whole paradigm shift has shifted towards a really good blend of both, where you get medical intervention when it is deemed necessary and you're getting the best part of technology and medical technology and availability of things that you might really need and can help you, but you're also having very well educated, extremely well versed and trusted physicians looking into alternative care because they know that not everything on this side of the spectrum or on the, you know, the, let's just say the old school side of the spectrum for people who, you know, maybe can't seem or whatever. They're now getting kind of the best of both worlds. And that's really where we plan is why, you know, our product is, we don't just sell this anywhere, right? There has to be some sort of a nurse practitioner or a medical professional on staff, medical director, MD, Dio, et cetera, because we plan that middle space of, you know, that integrative space, the middle ground of functional and medical help. And it's, I think it's very good for the, at least the American public to have a choice and have a say in kind of how treatment is. If you look at generations prior to ours, it was kind of like, and you would never even question this of like, here's a pill for this, here's a pill for this. This is your way, this is your thing. Take this, take this, take this. And you know, you have your parents, your grandparents in the run, I mean, the pill cases, dude, is on a control. Like that isn't health to me. Like that isn't healthy. And never questioning those things or even understanding why is insanity. Yeah, I mean, in the veterans care space, we have veterans and duty military that shows up at Mighty Oaks, you know, a program that we have at Mighty Oaks, and they're on over 20 pills a day for like one diagnosis of PTSD that's starting to, them taking a medicine pill for this, but this pill has a side effect. So take another pill for that. Next thing you know, two years later, 20 pills a day, and they're like in their 20s, like 23 years old, it's insane. As opposed to like doing alternative, like just moderate changes to lifestyle. I mean, they're going in and, you know, because you're, you're, you bled your levels of high instead of saying like, they'll, you know, diagnosis diabetic and put you on insulin as opposed to saying, hey, maybe you should start eating a little bit differently. And like you said, some of those homeopathic doctors and stuff like that are kind of deemed as quacks when they're just told, hey, how about eat better? - There's a really great middle ground. And I get questions from friends and colleagues and different businesses of like, where do I go? What do I see? Who do it is? And like, you really need to, the same way, I mean, you in a business, you have, you know, you need to, the same way you interview your employees or you're looking at building your team, that's the same way I look at my life is, I am not an expert in like a lot of things. So the way I build my life is the same way I build my business is looking for the best team player to be part of my team. Whether that's, I mean, I have Joe, kind of, Joe Kron is like my consolider, but he was an attorney that really helped me and mentored me through a lot of, you know, business ups and downs and has become a really good friend. And, you know, he's on my team because I know I can trust what he's saying and he helps guide in a certain part of life. When it comes to medicine, I found a physician that I love that I drive way out of my way for, that people from all over the country go, for his specialties because when I speak to, and he's an MD, he's a very, very, very well respected. He's got more certs and more plaques on his wall than anybody I've ever seen. He donates his time in military. He's always got videos at him in and out of helicopters, you know, teaching docs like a wild crazy stuff. Like really cool. I go to him because he's that perfect integrative middle ground of like he's the most educated physician I've probably ever met yet he understands the functional approach of looking at the root causes first. And when I go into come see him, he's not going to give me this, this, and this, without addressing what I can change in my own life first before he just starts injecting you with things and giving you pills. And so individuals should look at their lives in the same way of like I should be interviewing for these positions. These are the most important decisions you could make in your entire life. Right. Who is administering you medical care, pre-entive medical care? Who's like who's going to keep you around or keep you healthy through the, you know, through those, those final years of your life like on the downslope of things of when that's when you should be enjoying all of the fruits of your labor, your kids, your grandkids, your nieces, your nephews, your family. Like that should be the time where you should be in the peak best physical shape of your life because you're going to miss out on all those. Yeah. I thought about what I'm thinking about this right now. Like all those incredible experiences like you want to, you want to experience that from like sitting in a chair or or or more importantly, you want to experience that and and become a potential burden on your family that you, they have to take care of you now because you didn't make the appropriate choices or you didn't make changes you could have made to yourself before I know that's like maybe it's a little dark, but it's the truth. Right. Right. And so when you're looking at medical care, you should be interviewing individuals like they have like you interview the people that control your cash because to me, I mean, I could make more cash. I, you know, it's a lot harder to change things that cause medical time. Health and time. Yeah. Dude, it's not hitting the same man. And so you, that's how I look at it. I interview those individuals. I, I want to speak to them. And if they don't have time to talk to you or they give you gripe about questioning things like them, then you, you should probably be looking in a different direction because if they don't care enough to address your concerns or they scoff at them, they better how crazy they might be. Do they actually really care about your well being? Yeah. Look, I, this several years back, my blood pressure started getting high elevated. And I'm, you know, I'm a lifelong athlete. I eat really well and I really take care of myself and, and I had a hard, I had a fundamental problem with my blood pressure. I'm like, there's no way my blood pressure should be getting this high. Even them, you know, I was in my mid 40s. And, but I was not okay with it. And I went in, you know, put me on medicine and I had a really big problem with being a medicine like because of it. I didn't like the way it felt. And I just found them early. I'm like too healthy to be restricted to medicine. What are some other things I could do? So I started reading and wanted to try the corner bore. I wanted to try to go corner bore. Cause it had some good benefits. I was reading about a Paul Saladino, reading his book. And so I went into my cardiologist that had me on his medications and I told them he's like, can't do that. Like he said, no red meat, high veggies, no salt, no salt. And so Paul Saladino saying, all red meat, no veggies. Hi, so it was funny about those red meat studies. Yeah. Does anybody ever question what meat they see? Here's the thing about studies is you have to understand what the study is, not just the conclusion. Like, who is the test pool? Right. And what are they studying? Where are they getting the meat? Correct. And you know where they got a lot of that meat from? It was hot dogs and like processed meats and stuff. Like that was the red meat, but they used their sugar terms to that are noteworthy for lack of a better term. And you know, it gains a lot of popularity and that's the whole new thing, but it's insane. Well, there's doctor. He's literally like, I'm like, okay, you read enough a chart and you're prescribing based off of, you know, this is the symptom. And so this is the solution in the medical. And I'm looking at this guy and he looks like he's about to die. He's probably like in his mid 50s and he's like, looks like I'm like, why am I listening to this incredibly unhealthy person when, you know, I got this guy, Paul Saladino, who has cares about his health. And why am I taking this advice? So I went against this advice and I didn't just dump the meds down the toilet. I just, I slowly trickled off of them. But as soon as I cut out the vegetables, the red meat, this is for me, not for everybody else. I'm not giving medical advice here. But I added the sodium and I went to Celtic salt. This is lady from, I think she's from New Zealand and I listened to something about her Celtic salt pitch. Anyways, I did that in my blood pressure drop to like, to where it was like below like, it was like, I had to get off the medicine. Yep. Because my blood pressure drops so much. Adding red meat, cutting out the vegetables, adding salt, completely absolutely told me. And within a year, I got off the blood pressure medicine. So yeah. That's it. There's a there's a nugget of advice that you said if people, I don't know if people grabbed it or not, but basically when you looked at your physician and you're like, why would I be trusting this guy? Well, take that for like life advice in general. Yeah. Especially young, like young people who I think in today's day and age are kind of like, they're trying to find their purpose. So they're trying to become somebody. They're trying to do something and like, be very cognizant of who you take advice from. If you can't look that person in the face and want to trade places with them immediately, regarding what they're talking about, I'm not saying switch lives, you probably shouldn't be taking advice from that individual. And that goes for a lot of people. You know, family, friends, et cetera. If you're an individual trying to do something or start something or produce something, you got all these yappers in your ear, telling you stuff that isn't beneficial to your life. You take a hard look on who you're listening to and if you again, wouldn't trade places with them, whether it's your money, whether it's your health, your business, you probably shouldn't take advice from them. Yeah. Yeah. That was just guy. He had a stiff gun, a wall, but he also, he was not a healthy person. Well, the, you know, med school, the things that you study and I'm not a doctor, I did not go to med school, but I talked to doctors not as much as I used to in my entire life for years was talking to doctors every single day and talking about exactly what we're talking about, the amount of time that they spend in nutrition and lifestyle education is minute. Right. And so you have to understand like who you're getting advice from. And this is why interviewing individuals who have, who pull large levers in your life. Yeah. You should validate. And then you should know that you're getting advice from them. But who do you choose is important? Yeah, exactly. So I don't know what's this a negative, but it's one of the negatives I've heard about BioPro is it's expensive. It is. It's not 20,000 a month expensive, but it's expensive. So as people might be listening and go to the website and they look at the price, I want to discuss that. Yeah. And why it has the cost it has in investment in that cost. Sure. It's not inexpensive to make. Yeah. If you want, like, it's not inexpensive to make. It is a, it's a very specific process. And the harvesting of the raw materials, the harvesting, like to do this the right way to actually make it work as an expensive process. And we're not in a position to, I guess, give it away for free. I mean, you have, you know, we have staff and stuff like that, but the product is, the product works. It's very expensive to create because it's everything from the harvesting to the, all the way to the, you know, the glass that it's in is pretty much them from an industry standpoint is the most expensive possible. You could possibly, like, most expensive thing you could possibly do. I'll break it down. So, in, in, let's look at the world of, like, supplementation. And so in supplementation, when you're looking at formulating products, you're looking at buying raw material, bulk raw materials, okay. And they come and keep their, their sold-in kilos. And average cost of, and we're really generalizing here, but to, to, to, for dramatic effect, if you will, typical cost per kilo of normal supplements that you and I probably take every day or most people take every day is about $10 a kilo. Okay. When we started this company, you're talking $4,400 to $5,000 a kilo to harvest the material that's actually usable. And so people are like, well, why does your product work and other stuff, doesn't or what's nonsense? I think what I just told you is because there is a very specific way to do this, a specific time, a specific process, all of the time, like, the after it gets formulated, it has to sit and go through another process for a certain length of time, like, all of these steps that we take that are the hardest, most expensive ways to take every single vial as hand poured, because it has to be. The way that we produce this in manufacturer is at the highest possible level that it is we exceed every FDA regulation through the manufacturing process, through the extraction process. There's a reason why the product works and why people are like, oh, it's, you know, why some people think it's crap that have never tried it and then why you hear people go all the time to like, this stuff has changed my life. It costs money. to do that, to do it the right way is expensive. It just is what it is. And so in order to get a product that is effective as BioPro and to get it to the people that want it, the price clearly relates that. It is what it is. - By the way, I don't think it's expensive for what you get out of it. - It's about $9, you know, it's not, you know, $69 a day. - Yeah, depending on your real amount of it. - You can do it in a day. - A day and night, right? - Oh, not including the night, yeah. - But the night one's quite a bit cheaper. - It's a third the price. - Yeah. - But if you're looking at it from a total spend from a synthetic treatment at best, it's a tenth of the cost. - A Starbucks coffee. - That's correct. - That's absolutely correct. - A Starbucks coffee cost. - I mean, you travel a lot. - I go to the airport, it's half that. So, you know, by the time, yeah. Yeah, but I mean, yeah, again, I don't think, I don't think it's expensive for what it's worth, especially when you talk about other supplementations. But it was one of the things I wanted to address 'cause I've heard that. - Oh, absolutely. It is expensive. - Yeah. - I mean, you typically get what you pay for. You get things in life, fast, easy or cheap. You can only select two. - Yeah, I love that. - I mean, the classic line, you know, I didn't coin that and do that. Hopefully someone doesn't have that trademark to not get a letter in the mail. - I use it all the time. It's one of the best. - Okay, send the letter to Chad. - Yeah. Yeah, it's a, I mean, you can only get two. I want to talk about, because of your life and you know what you've, the way you grew up and work like grind you away into where you are today. That's a story of resilience and is a resilient show. Just want to see if you could just share some insights with the audience on being resilient, as an entrepreneur building something that you believe in and the grind of doing that and leaving a legacy behind. - Where do I begin? That's a whole lot of questions. - Yeah, just, I guess just the, what would be your biggest lesson? I guess to summarize, what would be your biggest lesson? You could pass forward on the resilience of taking something, of just achieving something. - So I'm gonna go two different ways with this. The first I believe is the most important. So I told you, 'cause I, and I want to stress this, like, I mean, I was not a good human being like in my early 20s. Like I was a pretty trashy individual. And I'm not proud of that individual. - That's the picture you're paying it. I was kinda getting some visualization as you were talking about it. - I mean, this is what it is. I had long, you know, I was just, I'm not proud of that individual, but I wouldn't change, not one thing about my life. I had some unique circumstances growing up that most people probably very few have never won't deal with. And that was, you know, interesting. But, sorry, I think about some stuff. But the first paradigm shift in my life that kind of got me out of that rut was working out in fitness. And that really, that gave me like a purpose and that gave me something to drive for and strive for when I was kinda just like a drifter like before. Like really, I really was. I was drained on society. My parents, you know, everything. I can't even imagine what it would be like to have been my mother or father during that time. So much so, my mom and my step that at the time took out a life insurance policy on me. Like it was, you know, dire. - Yeah. - So the first thing that big first paradigm shift, which got me out of that rut was the health and fitness type stuff because it gave me purpose. It gave me something to build. It gave me something that I had to like work for. And I think before like I was really good at talking. And you know, I had a smile and I could, you know, kind of weasel my way through things and get through life. You know, however I needed to. - Yeah. - But fitness, nobody can like your health and wellness or fitness like nobody can, you can't buy that. You can't, so no way you're into it. You have to like earn it. And that was the first thing I think I ever really learned of like earning and putting effort in on my own. Not being forced to or not. Not being forced to. - Right. - The second, so that helped me in my entrepreneurial journey and getting started because it gave me a basis of what I never had before which was structure. So it gave me a structure of, you know, this, then this, then this, then this, and the kind of the pieces will fall into place. And it was the basis of the structure for everything else I would work on. Whether it was business or learning about marketing or sales or whatever that is. The second biggest change, and this has happened after I purchased this company, was my faith and full complete submission to God. And I grew up Catholic. I went to an all-boy school. My mom killed herself as I made that school. So I had like, I had a phenomenal education. We never missed the one thing. We were late to a lot of stuff growing up. We never missed church on Sundays. And I'm very grateful now in my life that we never did that. But basically I had fallen away from the faith or apostatized if you will. I always believed in like God, but you know, I believed in that. Yeah, you're a good person, you're all set. I hold the door for people when they're coming in behind me. I'm good. God will get it. He's gonna let me do whatever. And we purchased by our protein technology. I was doing that, but it wasn't actually really that successful. I never really got it to, it was a profitable business, but it ain't what we're talking about now. And we went through 2019, 2020 type stuff. The world was clearly changing. And I think for a lot of people, the veil was taken away from their eyes of the world being this hunky-dory, beautiful place and everybody gets along and stuff like that. And I really started researching and getting into philosophy and first I started with like stoicism. And it really started really leading back to the faith, which I didn't, I mean, I didn't have any Mike looking back. And I'm skipping over a lot, but these things started to like really compound. And I was still, I made have changed my life from being gainfully unemployed, being if you would like to consider it a successful, entrepreneur, successful entrepreneur, like I had gained those things, but I didn't ever really fix myself internally. I was still considering myself not a good individual. I'm not saying ethically from the business side. That's not what I'm talking about at all, but I'm talking about from a moral perspective. And one day I was sitting in my office and I was doing the classic entrepreneur grind. I would be in my office, I'd work out like 4 30 a.m. 5 30 a.m. I'd be in my office for anybody would ever get there. And I would read every morning, full of soft cool stuff, life stuff, things like that, self improvement, if you will. And one day this was right in the middle of 2020, probably in the beginning of like right when the, no, it was right when that kind of the campaign was still going around from after Trump's first term. And like the world is crazy. And I remember thinking to myself, if all these awful like crazy things were going on, like there was this much evil that existed, there has to be, there has to be an equal opposite good. And so something came over me and I dropped down to my knees and I prayed for the first time. I can honestly look back and say, I had never really prayed ever in my life and meant it. And I did at that moment and I asked God to show me he was real and proved me he was real. And at that moment he really did. He did something very specific and like I just, I started like weeping but I wasn't sad. It was really, it was a really weird experience. And from that moment I made it, the deal was if you show me he was real, that I would cement myself to him fully, completely entirely. And I would spend all the time that I spent on building a business, working out, entrepreneurship, and I would shift the paradigm to make him the center of my life. And I would learn everything I possibly could about him, the church, everything I could. If he showed me he was real and he did. And that was the real paradigm shift of my life. And everything changed from that perspective. And I gave up drinking, I gave up, I mean I gave up party, I gave up everything, like all the while, like kind of like crazy lifestyle stuff, like young entrepreneurs and people want to do. - Start adding money to some misguided behaviors. - I do, yeah. And I would have been dead 100%. So the point is, is like when I finally did that and I really submitted myself to God and that was the deal I made and I've stuck by that. I've stumbled about three times. I can, I know specifically what I did. And I went back on my word three different times, specifically. And but all in the first couple months. But my life, my business, God gave me everything I could ever want. And it's almost like I definitely try. We definitely work. But it's like free-kish how much things changed. We, I mean, and that was the biggest paradigm. That was what gave me that finally filled what I had been searching for forever I think. And filling that with business and with, you know, attaining of material wealth or those types of things. Like that was the big paradigm shift. That was the second and I don't think anything will ever clearly ever overconvenceive for that. From that point, or excuse me, overshadow that. From that point forward, I mean, everything I had ever wanted and I ever asked for God gave me. Whether my wife, my daughter, the business, I mean, I live, I live a pretty great life. I get to do what I love the most. I enjoy what I do. Somehow I'm here in Texas, like hanging out with you. Like all of these things, these crazy, like knowing guys, like the Gregs and like all over the world, like all over these different places. All these crazy people, like it's inlappin. Yeah. - Yes, yes, very interesting, Greg Laffon, we've had a call in the Greggs. But meeting these different people and like, the experience is, I mean, you can't, I'm sure maybe somebody could, but you can't really pay for them and the way that God has guided this business in my life. And I think that's a huge part of it is, we're very open and the people that work for us and like who we are, what we believe in, that's part of it, we're redoing not hold back on any of those things. And I truly believe in that. And I believe as long as I continue to do those things and I hold up my end of the bargain, like God, I mean God has done way more than his end, but it's, that has completely changed my entire life in this business. - Yeah, well, I mean, a business, I mean, it's one thing to be a grinder and success with a business, but another thing to be successful at business and something truly believing in love. And it was very clear that, and you couldn't answer to question more perfectly to close this out because the show is a resilient show, right? - Yeah. - And one of the reasons, outside of, you know, a partnership that I really want to bring in the show, 'cause you know, and learning about you, getting to know you over, and just seeing how like focused and passionate or authentic you were. And then the one time we were on the phone, you told me about a little bit of your personal story where you came from and I'm like, man, this is just really in line with the, with the audience, these are here because of where you are in your life. And you just really encapsulated the four pillars of resiliency you talked about, your mindset, and in that shift in your mindset, being someone that would see an opportunity, seek the opportunity, have the right mindset, the perspective, the willingness to work hard, you talked about your physical health, and how much fundamental that was important to gaining your physical health in order to get you moving forward and bringing the right perspectives. Socially, the people you've surrounded yourself with, from the beginning, along the years, and it's spiritually a spiritual foundation, which I think is the most essential part of being resilient. And when you bring all four of those things together, you found a good one. - I didn't realize that. I should have filled out the card differently. (laughs) You took all four of those things, and that's, I think when people in their life, they go to phases and they'll have one of those pillars and then you'll follow up, but when you have all four of those things at one time, that's when you truly find, that wouldn't say just joy, but fulfillment, and you find your purpose, and you're able to just crush it. And that's what you do, I mean, it's super- - I appreciate that. Don't you typically get people like a gift? They have a bio-friendly-- - Well, yeah, so I had this product by a whole-- - Hold on, hold on. I have something for you. So this is made just for you. - Okay. - And this is, there's this guy, and he's a nice guy. He seems like he's a nice guy. He's just trying to make his way in the world, and he makes really incredible pieces. - Okay. - And I've bought similar things for other guys, and I felt the, I felt full to get you on as well. - Let's first have somebody's got me a gift. - No, I got you a gift. So this is by a guy named Alex, and he makes these, he hand makes them, custom makes them. And this is a day's volt rosary. - That's crazy cool. - And oh my gosh. I don't know if you have a rosary or not, but they're a huge part of my life. - Yeah. - And-- - Well, you have one in your pocket right now. - I do, I carry it everywhere. I carry it everywhere, and I believe, I mean, you're a, you're a, you're a, you're a spiritual guy. I don't care how crazy I sound. The distance between the spiritual and physical world is nonexistent to me. And what's really cool about the rosary is, for centuries, it's been used especially in battle. Battles have been one that were all, which been lost. There's a really cool story from like the 1500s, you should check it out, about the rosary and the power that it has. And I do, I carry it with me everywhere because the way that it's described is it's two things. One is it's you wouldn't leave, you know, your home without your sidearm, without your primary, that you need for physical protection. The rosary is exactly that before the spiritual world. They say it's like hanging on from a rope that goes directly to heaven, that you can hang on to at any point in time. And this was blessed by a true Catholic priest, a true priest with all of his, you might not know how important this is, but it's actually a really big deal, goes back centuries and centuries, but has all of his full orders to all of his holy orders to actually do that, which most priests actually don't have these days. So it's very special and I wanted to get that directly from for you. And this is a, thank you so much. This is really special. And this is a, it's a crusader, home. - A crusader, home. - Yeah, okay. This is the tattoo that our new Secretary of Defense has, that everybody, what is this cross? Does it name for this cross? - There is, but I don't know what either. I just know that P. Texas had a tattoo, don't name it. - Oh really? - And they were given him a hard time about it. - They were calling him a white nationalist, 'cause of it, they were really awesome. - I would hope not, exactly. - Yeah, exactly. - That cross goes back, I think, to the fourth century, the third or fourth century. - Right. - Yeah. So what's really cool is, is, so Catholic Knights, and this is middle ages and stuff like that, they would, when they would pray before battle, they would beat their chests, I guess, their armor. So they would pray for us, pray for us, pray for us. And so that cross, another cross is depending upon the battalion that they're with, would be the same thing, and they would ask for the intercession of the Saints to pray for them and do so. - Down their chest and cross. - It's called by Jews on the cross. - Did you use them cross? Yeah, they actually had them on President Carter's. The front of his, the pamphlet, for whatever pamphlet's called, and it was on the front of there, I think, kind of made a point of it that they were given Peter Hart time to then, President Carter had on the front of his pamphlet for his funeral. But man, I really appreciate this, super special. - I was really excited to get the fire in the cell. Oh man, that's really cool. Thank you so much. - We have to-- - Thank you for having me. - Yeah, of course, man, we have some gifts for you from our sponsors, Bio Pro. And if you heard of Bio Pro, - No, I haven't. Only in the last hour or so. So yeah. - I'm regifting it to one of your team members. - You really wanted it. - So of course, we're super thankful to the show that you support the show and support some of the stuff we do. And then just as you make a great authentic product, you drink and get some holy water in there. - I've never seen that before, it's pretty wild. - Yeah, that's, I mean, the guy who started it, those other water can't companies don't support good things. And he's a Christian and he's like, "Hey, I wanna do something I can build a company and actually support get causes." So the company gets behind, they have donated to my deokes, they donate to the Dream Center and Roswell and Mexico. - That's a really cool guy. And then you know, Gators' glasses, Smith and Wesson firearms and Vortex optics. I know you said you didn't have, you wanted to build that in for. So this is mine, we can't give you this one today. But this is the same one you were talking about getting, the volunteer Smith and Wesson volunteer, 14.5 inch barrel. We have a Jim Tech's pressure on it. - Really? - Yeah, we have a, we could configure your optics where you want the Vortex, it's the AMG by Vortex, which is a holographic within three by power on the back. So depending on what you want, we could help. - The guy that owns this company is a really good dude. - Well, you know what, Shamus. Shamus is one of the most incredible human beings that I know. - And I have nothing to do with Vortex whatsoever. But, and I know if we're close up with a quick story, but he's just a really good dude. He actually has been buying bio-profile for a long time. - Oh really? I did not know that. - And he came through our customer support system and somebody was helping him and he, anyway, he's a very, I found out about it and all this different stuff, but he's actually a really, really good dude. - I mean, I want to say that he literally is one of the best human beings I know. He's got three boys. - I feel like I'm for optic support. That guy's comforting. You're supporting an overall, very good organization. - You talk about that pillar, that social pillar, God's put me in a unique place in my life to where I really don't have to work with anyone. And I get the blessed to be in a position that can work with people I choose to work with. And I get to work with the people that would be friends with, like you and people I would hang out with and are like-minded and the same trajectory of life. And so I could tell you first, like you, Scott over at Gators, Mr. Mike Smith in Caltingo at Smith & Wesson, Shamus Terry, and Vortex, these are my friends. Like, I mean, I just spent a week with Cala Marksmith for the inauguration and shot show. Like they're just incredible human beings. And so that social circle for me is just getting tighter and tighter and better and better. And I'm blessed to be surrounded by good people. - You're a free show of work. - You're included, man. - Thank you, yeah, appreciate it. - So, well, guys, I hope you enjoyed that. I hope you'll go out and get some bio-pro, give it a try. I typically don't do my coupon codes, but I think we have a code that we'll have down in the show notes for the show. So you get a discount if you wanna give the try. And if you have not yet, like, comment, share, subscribe, please subscribe wherever you at. And we're about to jump into some Patreon questions. We're gonna continue on with Dustin. And if you're not already a part of our Patreon family, then we wanna get you, wanna get everybody deeper involved in the resilient community. 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