The Schilling Show: Lindsay Colvin, Joel Noble, John Reid, Tania Khazaal

Well, thank you, Dr. Turner, welcome friends and fellow citizens of the world to the one and only multi-award winning Schilling Show. We thank you for your patronage of this program and recognizing that you have many listening choices and other sorts of choices for the time that you spend with us here between the hours of noon and 2 p.m. weekdays. So I'm gratified that you have landed here by choice or even if by accident, we hope to keep you on as a regular listener. Lots going on the program today. First of all, I hope you had a nice weekend. I have a story to tell. For some reason, I woke up on Sunday and thought it was Mother's Day. I don't know what put that into my head. I just kind of off track a little bit. So yeah, it wasn't Mother's Day yet, but we did have a nice day at church and then beyond went to lunch with some friends, it was a good weekend. Coming up on today's edition of the Schilling Show, Lindsey Colvin joins us saving the family farm amidst a health and legal crisis, a local story that we're going to bring to you coming up at the bottom of the hour. Joel Noble joins us from Samaritan Ministries International on medical debt and health sharing and option for people who want to kind of get out of the government Obamacare system. This is a group of people who are interested in their health and also in caring for each other through health sharing. It's very different than the regular insurance. We'll get to that and also the problem with medical debt. I'm imagining there's a lot of people in the listening audience who have been struggling with medical debt. We were promised that Obamacare would be the Magiky Liksor that it's going to solve everything and it created so many problems. It was a lie from the outset and it is undermined the health care system in America for the better part of what is it 15 years now or so, maybe longer that Obamacare was passed in the little weasel Tom Perry, with all due respect, the boy congressman pretending like he was trying to really think about it before he cast the deciding vote. What a tragedy, what a re-enation of at least passable, probably in some instances, good health care system. We know there were a lot of people who traveled to this country for the excellent medical care over the years. I have a feeling that people, there may be more Americans leaving for medical tourism to various places like Costa Rica and Eastern Europe and others that are providing excellent care at far better prices. So the tables have completely turned and thanks a lot to Obamacare, Tom Peralo, Barack Obama and the rest of the useful idiots that supported it, including, and this was not well reported except for the shilling show, that would also come to UVA health as we showed at the time, came out with a statement in favor of Obamacare. A lot of useful idiots here. Coming up in hour number two, John Reed, the day before the referendum, he's a referendum ambassador for the Republican Party of Virginia, just vote no, and had a call from a long time friend over the weekend who was listening to all this messaging and really was confused by the issues and asked me for some clarity, which I gladly provided why people should vote no, but it's very confusing when the ballot language says, let's vote to restore fairness. This done by charlatans and liars and it shows a broken system in Virginia getting things on the ballot in a way that's completely biased from the outset. I'm hoping, I'm hoping that we have a no vote majority tomorrow, but I'm not holding my breath. And if it is not the case, then even a more a bigger reach of hope would be that the courts would do something. The court should have intervened up front because what their plan is will let it pass and then we'll say, well, we really don't want to overturn the will of the electorate. So I'd be surprised if they do anything, even though this is a blatant power grab and totally illegal, I have a feeling this may be going higher than Virginia Supreme Court, depending on the outcome of tomorrow's election. If you have not voted yet and this time I voted early, although I always like to go on election day, but I was taking my middle child, Caroline, to vote for the first time and she voted at the age of 17 legally because of kind of a loophole in the law, which says, if there's a special election, but you'll be 18 by the next general election, you can vote at 17. So that was kind of cool. Anyway, we'll talk about that with John Reed. And then we're going to get into family and a strange man and healing. I have heard this from so many people in listening audience and every time I bring this up and I don't think we've talked about it on the air in all these years we've been on, but I got to tell you that I hear from people all the time whose kids have basically cut them off. I don't often hear the other way the parents cutting off the kids, but I do hear a lot of the kids cutting off the parents for political reasons or other sorts of propaganda in health. All sorts of things and I feel terrible for the situation that exists and I think the inclusion of social media and people just putting things out there and then everyone's saying, yeah, you're right. You're right. You're right. Rather than trying to talk through the situation, getting some counseling if need be, but just having an honest conversation over differences. It's not a big deal. I had to learn that in public service when I was on the city council that out. My opinions are not going to be shared by a lot of people, but it had to be okay. And it's the same way on this radio program where we actually like to hear from people with different opinions. It's okay. It's not verbal violence. It's not hate speech. It's just in many cases, if not most cases, a difference of opinion. Why can we not tolerate that? So Tonya, because all will be with us in the final couple segments of today's edition of the Showing Show dealing with that very sensitive and frankly extraordinarily sad subject of family estrangement. She's an expert. We'll get to that coming up later on today. All right. We have people waiting and standing by and a line open for you for the community town hall. This is a unique thing on this program where we devote a good chunk of time at the outset for whatever is on your mind and whether you're listening locally or across the country around the world. We're going to participate for 34971070 is the phone number and there is a line open for you. So let's go without further ado to Alex. Welcome to the Showing Show. Hey Rob. Good day to you. And to you. I just wanted to remind everybody that to vote yes if they want bigger government higher taxes and then there's some bonus items more regulation abortion on demand men and girls sports no representation in Congress and to make this election fair for the Democrats. I think everybody wants those things. Well, I want to remind people that your tongue is firmly planted in your cheek and you're not really advising a yes vote. You're advising a no vote but sharing with us what the people who want to vote yes will do. Yeah, that was sarcasm. I just had to make sure because as I mentioned at the outset of the show I had a call from a very good friend who was confused by the messaging and I think that's the whole point but your sarcasm is well stated and I appreciate it very much. Okay. Have a good day. Thank you. I appreciate it. All right. There he goes. Let's say hello to Michael. Hello. Thank you. I'm doing good. I didn't think Sunday with mother's day but I had something exciting happen Friday evening. Well, what happened? I was in town at Tiger Fuel on Mead Avenue right by the recycling center. And my wife goes up to pay to bill and I'm sitting in a car with my mother and all of a sudden the train tracks come down the barriers, the real light start flashing and I'm sitting out thinking man I'll be stuck in traffic. And I hear a sigh of rain coming. I'm thinking well man if that's a pod truck and he'll be able to get all of a sudden here comes the car going into oncoming traffic running about 60, 70 miles an hour and right through the barriers. We would fly up in the air and the police car right behind him. And the second police car was behind that but the train was so close to the first one the second one couldn't get through or would have hit the train. My goodness. I didn't hear any reporting on that incident. Did you see anything in the local media? I think it's the one that they said they had the high speed chase and the guy running to a house somewhere amongst the lab in here. Okay. It was a white SUV that ran through the railroad crossing and it looked like the same car they were putting on a rollback. So I'm assuming it was that same chase. Well that's absolutely frightening and I'm glad that you all were okay. Actually Marshall says he reported on it on Seville right now so I just missed that. We'll have to go look at the story. But gosh that's really frightening. When you see that sort of law enforcement in action you really understand what police have to deal with each and every day and getting your car in front of a train I'm glad that they were able to stop on time. But you know the first police car he was close once he passed that train came right on through. So of course the second one couldn't but I mean if somebody had been walking across the road or child or even another car the way that guy was running he couldn't stop so somebody would have got seriously injured. Well I'm guessing Mike if this comes to trial that depending on who the person is to probably get a little slap on the wrist and sent along their way. way. Yeah, I guess be back here. I mean, I just made it to me that nobody would be so easy for a car. He was in the oncoming traffic when he went through that crossing. Yeah. And if a car has been coming out of the way, somebody pulls out of the side street or a kid on a bike or walking in no way he could stop. No, that would have been the end of it for a lot of people probably involved in that. So I'm glad at least for a safe outcome, but that is absolutely frightening when you're witnessing and there's absolutely nothing you can do. And it's probably, I mean, I know they report on TV, but they don't show all of them running through railroad crossings and all that crazy stuff. Yeah. Well, that's the context that sometimes isn't provided. So thank you for the report. I'm glad you and mom are okay. All right. Well, have a good day. Thank you so much. I appreciate it. That leaves a line open at 977-1070, something on your mind. Maybe a community report. I don't know how I miss that one, but maybe I was just underwater on the weekend and doing other things. We appreciate your participation in the program. Don't forget you could also send me an email to Rob S. at seavillrightnow.com. I hear a lot from the listening audience. And it's one of the things that I consider to be magic about radio is the interconnection when we're doing live programs, the people that call in and also to the relationships that are developed over the years. I've been doing this a good long time now. I want to have made a lot of friends just through the radio, but also I've had the opportunity to meet a lot of people who listen to the show. And I'm very, very grateful for that. So if you're out there and you want to participate in 977-1070, we got lots to talk about today on the Shilling Show, including whatever's on your mind, the Shilling Show back in just a moment. So here's the report from seavillrightnow that Marshall posted on the 17th. Police pursuit from outside of Charlottesville ended within city limits, Friday afternoon, prompting a search for a suspect and heavy police presence in the area of the 1200 block of Monticello Avenue. At 4.44pm, Charlottesville police alerted people of the situation, Facebook posts to 5.16pm, they announced a large police presence would be clearing within the next 30 minutes. No further details were available, unclear if a suspect was apprehended, CPD did not say were the pursuit originated or how the pursuit ended. Witness reported smashing, crossing guard at the railroad crossing, near Carlton, which Mike just did. So I guess what's interesting to me, I'm glad that it made it into the news cycle on a Friday night, but here we are on Monday and we don't know anything. Marshall is unaware of any further updates. It sounds like a rather major situation that should have a better conclusion that we don't know what happened. We don't know if anybody was caught. We don't know anything about anything. That's not good. Maybe something will turn up. All right, let's go to the phones, 977, 1070, hello truck. Hey, Rob, I've got a question. I really don't have an answer. So I'm not, this isn't some sort of curveball. Okay. We've got our prime, we've got our primary that's been moved up to August because of the redistricting vote. Typically in a normal, let's say off year, we would have parties that make decide who their nominees are. Then usually you have a mid-June filing date for an independent that wants to run that's non-party supported. You know what I'm talking about, right? Okay. Okay, so let's play this out. I don't know where that independent date has been moved because of the primary act. Typically, I would think that once the party nominees are selected, then an independent can step forward if they want. So, so the question comes down to the McGuire-Luce-Surnow race, taking place in August. I don't want to put you on the spot, but you probably know it has bought good, made a decision as to whether or not he is not running definitively for Congress. And I ask that because if Lucerne is unsuccessful in unseating McGuire for the nomination, is there an opportunity there for Bob to run as an independent? So, I have not asked him directly for a couple of times and my assumption based on knowing him pretty well and knowing politics pretty well is that he's not jumping in. It's way too late. I don't think he wants to be in the midst of a three person battle. I just don't see the upside for that. And secondarily, I honestly don't see him putting in the effort to run as an independent candidate. I just, it seems like a no-win situation and I don't think Bob likes to spend his time like that. That's that's my guess. Yeah, I would agree with you. I just didn't know because I had not heard anything in terms of the decision being made and what might play out is should look where be re nominated and he decides that perhaps he wants to take another bite of the apple. He's just curious. No, it's a good question and I will ask him definitively the next time he's on, but last time I asked him a couple visits ago, he just said I have no announcement. So I have a feeling and both candidates for Virginia 5th Districts will be on the show this week McGuire and Melanie. Great, thank you very much. All right, I appreciate you call truck 977 1070. Let's go back to the phones and say hello to Greg. Well, hey Rob, what are you for today? Yes, it is absolutely. Well, I've been listening to Claire's Thomas has been speaking out, which is really rare. Yes, I employ everybody to go listen to what he's saying. And I can't go into all of that, but he's just basically saying how we really lost tracks, especially starting with the progressive movement, Woodrow Wilson, and how this this progressive movement and this new mindset from there to now is basically absolutely the opposite of what we were founded on and that we the people are the are the rulers, not the government. We don't get our rights from government. We tell government to protect our rights and the Democrats have that way upside down and so to some Republicans. And it's just amazing how far down into a pit we've gone. And this whole Democrat thing, this go around it proves it and I say everybody should go out and vote no tomorrow. But we've got to stand up and what he's saying there are a lot of people that are absolutely cowardice compared to the people of the founding of our country that we wouldn't give their lives, their property and everything for freedom. And now people are afraid to speak out because they might not be popular to cocktail party or something because they or at a university if they're a professor, they can't speak out. And we're going to lose their society if we don't take our rights back from the government, but it's because the government's there for one reason and one reason only. Protect our natural rights from God. So when they come in and want to confiscate your guns, over tax you on your property, regulate your business, have us pay for illegal immigrants, let this Islamic movement come into the country and take over cities. They are not doing their job and we the people need to tell them they're not. And if we are so calved we want because we don't want to ruffle feathers then we deserve what we get. I think it's pretty much what's happening. This nation, not everybody and maybe not even a majority, but very large number of people have turned away from God. And so if that happens, there is a biblical verse that talks about God giving them over. So the abortion, the culture of death, the gender confusion, a climate worshiping and all of that, that does not honor God and God will not put his blessing on a country that doesn't. So we still have a lot of people in this country that love those things that love the country that grateful for it. But there's a lot of people who are being miseducated or given disinformation about the country like Madhawz, E.D. and his school saying the foundational documents were racist fundamentally. What do you think is going to happen? These people are destroyers. They do not love America. They hate America and they want to remake it in some version of their own. That's a godless America or a god that does what they say making themselves government the small G God there to answer all of your needs. Greg, always good to hear from you. Gotta go to the break coming back on the other side with a local story saving the family farm image to health crisis. Someone's struggling. We'll tell you how you can help stay with us. All right. The Shilling Show continues on this manic Monday edition of the program. More time for open phones. Top of the next hour and I have some updates regarding Tim Kane and his political position. Thank you for bringing that back to my memory. We'll get to that next hour. Right now we welcome Lindsey Colvin on the topic of saving family farm amidst a health crisis. So much going wrong here and ways for you to help out. Hey, Lindsey, thanks for joining us on the Shilling Show today. Hey, thank you. Tell us first of all about your mom, Kelly. I know she's in some really difficult times right now. What's going on? I mean, she is currently fighting cancer and now for her home against her own neighbor who's lived beside her his whole life. And I think I believe they even went to school together. In addition to all this, the I understand your mom is also bearing the load as a caregiver to her mother. Is that correct also? Yeah, she is pretty yeah, pretty much the full caregiver. I mean, I help out when I can and when she has issues. My grandmother has dementia. So it's not it's not easy to deal with. No, absolutely not. It's very hard. So there is a go fund me out there which has some more details, but I want to cover generally what's going on and then we'll tell people where they can reach you online if there's inspired to help you out. So give us the history of this family farm that's at stake now. So my great my great great grandparents came up here from Tennessee in 1940s. They came up here with nothing and they were very farm and then they bought the second farm which was my grandpa's and that's what we have left now it's 120 acres and that is what my neighbor's after and he's already made the first farm into houses and I guess he's held there and all making the second one and one as well. So there's a lot of intricacy here in the story and things didn't really go the way that they had been planned but what's what's at the heart of the legal battle presently because I know you're raising money for for legal defense or a legal representation for your mom so what is that stake? What is that stake? Yeah what what's being attempted to be done to the farm that your mother presently owns? He wants it for housing for development it'll be two acre lots and then behind this is he bought 800 acres and that's possibly I've heard from two different sources that will be a data center. Is this here in Elmore County? This is an orange county. Okay so very you know. Yeah this is very close by. So how is it that we can help? What are the things that your mom needs right now Lindsey Colvin? Really just awareness and and and funding as well in a way and lawyers are not cheap and I believe that that is known we are not made of money. The farmers are livelihood it's not it's not really a way of making us money but it's what we do it's what we love to do my boyfriend he plants crops we make hay it's how my brother has cows and I have a couple of horses and it's not a lavish lifestyle but it's what makes us happy and I when it's taken away I don't I mean that's all I have like my my home and my family is everything that's all that we should be happy with and I think that's what sends us I've been thinking myself over and over what would make him do this and I think bottom line is relentless greed and I do think that's what's wrong with the world today lack of morals and relentless greed. Well they talk about yeah they talk about the love of money being the root of all evil it sounds like that's kind of an involved here in this case so your mom's tied up like this you're helping out the best you can tell us how we the listening audience can get more information or support and by the way you've made a very modest request on on the go send me or go fund me so it's not like you're trying to get rich off this but tell us about how we can support you or get more information. No I mean I don't I don't know other than other than just funding and awareness I mean just but honestly just support alone just people backing us up and and wanting to help is just been I don't know it's been mentally it's been a help for sure but my Facebook is just Lindsey Colvin I don't have it private I mean people can message me anytime and I will answer whatever questions they may have I will answer I will be there and any help is greatly appreciated and whether it's the message or funding off the go fund me. If people want to look at the go fund me do you have a link on your Facebook page or do you tell us how we can search for it and find it right now. I do have a link on there it should be shared just go down a couple things and it's on there or my mom's page is Kelly weem W E E M S and it's on her page as well. I'm really sorry to hear that your family's struggling like this amidst all of these tragedies and the things that are going on in regular life and health and other issues I know and should have to go through this thank you for sharing your story with us Lindsey Colvin will you please keep us updated. Absolutely I greatly appreciate you having me on air this has been great thank you. Well I appreciate you reaching out to the showing show and thank you so much and we'll be praying for your family as well. You know it's really sad and there's some details online at the go fund me page but just when someone is struggling in so many ways with their own health and then being a caregiver to someone else who's struggling worse and then you've got the daughter who's trying to help out best she can I was reached out to by a mutual friend and I really appreciate that outreach. I don't know how this is going to be resolved but I did want to give them a chance to tell the story and by the way that's what we do on this program we do a lot of things that are local that involve people that you know every day and I wanted to make you aware of this after it was brought to my attention so thank you so much for that. Let's go to the break on the other side we're going to be talking about the crushing burden of medical debt and how that impacts the provision of health care. Joel Noble joins us from Samaritan Ministries International and Redeem. Tell sharing we'll talk about that on the other side when the shilling show continues. Stay with us. All right the shilling show continues on a manic Monday more time for open phones at the top of the next hour and we'll take Tim Kane on as well on his misguided perception of government. Right now we're going to talk about medical debt Joel Noble joins us the director of public policy at Samaritan Ministries International and Redeem and there's lots to be set on this topic. Joel welcome to the shilling show thank you so much for joining us today. Well I appreciate you having me. For people who are not familiar would you tell us about Samaritan Ministries International and then also about Redeem. Yeah so Samaritan Ministries and Redeem is a program that operates under under Samaritan. We are a health care sharing ministry which means we are a non-insurance approach to dealing with medical needs so it is direct sharing of medical needs which means the money's not coming in to the ministry. It is always member-to-member so I was using my family as an example. I've been uninsured for 25 years in that time when we've had medical needs I submit to the ministry. They assign the other members to send their share amount. It's a set amount based on family size and I received those checks or electronic transfers paid in my bill and every month I'm responsible for sending my share amount to another member that had a medical bill and they use my share along with others to pay their medical expenses. So this is a very interesting system and people have probably heard a little bit about it but don't understand exactly how it works and some of the benefits. So first of all you're saying that this is not insurance which is a critically important point. The question that people would be asking was how did this get past Obamacare because they seek to mandate everybody to have their government insurance. So I know the answer but I would like for you to explain that to the listening audience. Yeah absolutely. So in the broad sense we would say it was providential. Yes. But in the more I guess tangible way was that Obamacare was preceded by what some call Romney Care and Massachusetts. So when that was passed very similar when they wrote the rags they exempted what they called established religious organizations and what that meant was healthcare sharing and so we had an exemption in there and still to this day in this state mandate for our members there. So there was precedent there but the providential part was we had a really good friendship with a state legislator who happened to be a family friend of Czech Rastley who was the ranking ranking member on the finance committee in the Senate. So there were several different versions of Obamacare that were you know being considered different type of bills. The one from the Senate committee was the one that went out of the Senate to the House. While I was in the House take Kennedy passes away, Scott Brown's elected in Massachusetts in that seat so they could not send it back to the Senate without the filibuster. So the one that had our exemption in it was the one that went forward and became what we now know is Obamacare or the Affordable Care Act. So let's talk about freedom of choice under healthcare sharing as opposed to Obamacare because there's some significant differences. Yeah so the big key difference is because it's not insurance we are not I would say burdened by all the different mandates in the states. So one of the reasons insurance can be so expensive is there are so many different things that have to be covered in insurance depending on the state. So like hair transplant or you could be a single you know man and still have to have a maternity writer on your insurance. And then in a more you know important sense to a lot of our members being faith based there's a lot of things that fall outside the world view that they don't want their healthcare dollars going towards. And so that creates all kinds of freedom and they know exactly where their dollars going and they know they're not paying for things that violate their their biblical world view. And without that middleman of insurance we can also keep the costs really low since it's member to member. The Joe Noble is our guest the director of public policy with Samaritan Ministries International and Redeem. So let's talk about this issue of medical debt. I think you could hardly find a person who's not under some burden of the medical debt and not able to pay for it. What's going on with that? Yeah so So one of the things that I think. has come up very recently is folks had to make a decision in their insurance policy of trying to keep their monthly premium low. And in order to do that, the tradeoff for many people was a very high deductible. And so unfortunately, I think what a lot of people found was they were able to still, you know, afford the monthly cost, but then they go to use this policy that they paid for and the deductible is so incredibly high, ends up being almost useless, because they're not now able to use it. And then folks start putting off care because of that. And then it ends up just kind of spiraling out of control, because they don't have that like checkup, because and then they end up, you know, becoming a much larger bill by the end. And folks are putting off, you know, other things. And some things are good to put off. I mean, we all, you know, make a choice of, you know, something happened where we'd fix the house or not going to go on vacation this year. So it's not all bad to put off things, but in this case, they're putting off in a lot of cases needed medical care, because it's just unaffordable either because they're, you know, the lack of insurance or the deductible is so, you know, outrageous that they just can't, you know, do it. There's also Joel, a real problem with transparency. And I've been through this recently where I was over at UVA, seeing a specialist, and I was asking them, you know, what's this going to cost? And no one was able to really provide me an answer. So where do we stand on transparency and how people get more accurate information on things they're considering? Yeah. Yeah, healthcare is one of those parts of our life where it's so murky. I just talking to someone this weekend, imagine going in and, you know, buy a banana at the grocery store, and you don't know what it costs, because well, it's this, if you work for this employer, over 65, we're going to charge you this. That's kind of how healthcare is. We don't really know the cost upfront. There's been a lot of good movement, both in the first Trump administration, I give credit to the Biden administration for the push in this price transparency. But in a lot of cases, the fines for not complying are so anemic that it doesn't really benefit a provider to go to the trouble of providing price transparency. A number of states, Texas is a great model where they start putting some teeth into that to start to force these providers to be more transparent. But we tell our members get a good faith estimate upfront. And if not, there's some avenues, you know, to, you know, follow a complaint on that. But because they're cash pay patients, they can often, and they do shop around to find the best price. And there's tools out there for cash pay patients to use to find, you know, the best price. And then that lowers costs for all our members because they're not being forced into just one provider. They can shop around and find some, you know, provider that works best for them and their family. Yeah, I want to put an exclamation point on something that you just said, Joel, because I had the experience of finding one of these websites. We actually say, here's the procedure I need and what's it going to cost. And it's shown back with a geographical reference to where I was. Here are the people that can do it. And here's exactly how much you do it. And then I paid for an advance and went and had the test done. So there are options. I just don't think a lot of people know about them, which is why I'm glad we're talking today. If people want to get more information on what you're doing or a better understanding of the issue at hand, how do they reach you? So SamaritanMinistries.org is the best place to start. Our guidelines are up there. All the details about the ministry. Good transparency page where you can look at things like getting a copy of our 990 and disclaimers and all kinds of things like that. Start there. And then there's phone numbers. If you read the guidelines, check that out. And I love our people on the phone. I say this all the time. They're there to explain Samaritan to you. They're not trying to sell it to you. They really want you to understand. Because it doesn't help us if you don't understand it. And then you leave two months later. Because you didn't fully understand it was an insurance or you didn't understand the guidelines. So I love the folks on the phone. There's not a question that you're going to ask them that they've not heard before and probably been asked dozens of times. So check out the website. Check out the guidelines. And then if you don't find it there, call the number. And we got great folks to help you. We got just over a minute left with Joe Noble from Samaritan Ministries International. So I wanted to ask you finally about legislative challenges. It seems to me I'm reading that certain states are not as friendly as they should be. And also there's still some things that could be done better like allowing deductibility of the health share costs. So is there legislative efforts to solidify and even strengthen this in our remaining minute? Yeah. So one of Ohio has a bill to clarify that we're not insurance in the insurance code. And that's very helpful both to the ministries and to the state to recognize that we're not insurance. And then on the federal level, the Republican study committee put out their framework for reconciliation. They included tax parity for health care sharing in there. And it's something we've been working on, you know, the tax deduction and also HSAs, which are important to a lot of our members. Yes, they want to be able to use the HSAs, but they can't without buying insurance. So that would open it up for that also. And Joel Noble from Samaritan Ministries International. Thank you so much for clarifying these issues and we're so glad you're there. Well, thanks for having me. All right, that's going to end this hour of the program coming back on the other side. If you couldn't get in and hour number one, something on your mind or maybe you just thought of it now, 977, 1070, 434, 977, 1070, for hour number two open phones on the showing show. And we've also got a lot to talk about an hour number two as we go to John Reed to talk about the last minute considerations in voting no on the referendum and other things going on in the state. Tonya, because all joins us in the bottom of the hour next hour on repairing family relationships so important and so many people are plagued by this. It's just it's a terrible thing when you can't have parents and kids talking to each other over oftentimes political differences and politics. Stay with the Shilling Show hour number two, manic Monday edition of the Shilling Show. The phone lines are open for another version of the community town hall little shorter than the first one, but it's there for you take advantage of the opportunity to address our vast listening audience by calling 977, 1070. And when I say a vast listening audience, our podcasts are just going through the roof right now. I'm not sure exactly why, but who am I to question or untracked for the best month ever by far. And what are the things and trends keep up? What are the podcasts you say? Well, most of you probably know, but in case you don't. What we do with this program after you broadcast live and the live thing is a big deal to me. It's why we show up here pretty much every day of the year with a couple of week exception for vacation to be here two hours a day to let you know what's going on. And that's live radio. 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And Tonya Kazal will be with us a family, a strangement and healing expert on this painful topic of repairing family relationships, which seem to break in so many ways these days, particularly over politics and other related issues. So that's all coming up on today's edition of the showing show in this hour number two manic Monday. Our supervisor and Malik is on the line. Hello, Ann. Good afternoon and thank you very much. I just heard your news about from Jeff issue about the drought. Yes, and I just wanted to add some. extra ammunition to that information. Yeah, thank you. Everyone with a well understands how terrible it is when you run out. In 2004, there were 6,000 wells that went dry in a few months period in Virginia. And we are already 2/3 of the way there in our deficit in rain and precipitation. But also, people in the urban area who have water supplied from these wonderful reservoirs, which are currently spilling. And there was a news article that people complained to me about actually last week, because the right amount of water and sewer was saying, we've got plenty of water. But we don't, because we have to conserve every day whether it's raining or not. And for streams drying up in the country and the hay fields with no mist, the hay is feeding out at 6 inches tall instead of 24, which is really devastating for anybody with livestock. So I just wanted to ask everyone to please remember that we are a heartbeat away from a drought of record situation as we had from 2002 to 2004. The groundwater has barely begun to recover from that interval 20 years ago. So we just have to all do our part to help each other out and protect our neighbors. One person overwatering their lawn takes water from their neighbor. That's just the truth. And I just wanted to get in there like a grandma and say that for you. Thank you very much. Let me just say a couple things. I want to appreciate very much that you took the time to get us this information. And I have a personal story which I'll share after I say goodbye to you. And but if people want to get accurate information about the water supply situation, is there a go-to place either locally or on the state level that they can find out? There is a newsletter which I just learned about from supervisor, Diane Thamakeel, who's now on the Amel County Service Authority. And I need to go to the Ravanna site and sign up for that under drinking water. One can get a weekly report in addition to the state reports which are available. But the state is based upon a well in Guiceland. OK. And I've been complaining about that for years because it's woefully inadequate to provide anything. I mean, Amel County has 100 different water situations within our borders. We can't rely on something that far away. So we all have to really pretend or realize that we have our own responsibility and do everything we can as individuals. One more quick question to you because this is very important information. You mentioned kind of the messaging coming out of Ravanna Water and sewer authority that we have plenty of water. And so I know that the board appoints people, I think, Dan Tha is representing the board of supervisors on that. The question is, how can we-- In the previous year, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. How can we get more accurate messaging? In other words, if that's not the sort of messaging we want going out, is there communication between the supervisors and the Ravanna Water and sewer authority so that we get on the same page? There is absolutely-- I represent Amel County on the Ravanna board and have consistently fussed at them about the need for ongoing conservation every day. And they do have information on the website. But I would like to have it as a banner in the news every single day so that people who did not grow up in the 50s and do not have their mothers teaching them-- there's a lot more to conservation than just starting off the water when you brush your teeth. Is the impact of this with our increased population is now so much more dramatic. And I think if the rain does not come in July, as now they're putting off, it used to be May. And now it's still alive that things were supposed to change, that we could be very quickly in a very serious situation. And I will remind everybody also that in 2003, I think it was-- the reservoir was falling two and three feet a week. Yes. And we were nine days away from closing the University of Virginia because we would not have had enough water for them to drink and have showers, et cetera. And building permits had been closed off for at least a year in Amel County because there was not enough water supply for those new houses to get water. So it's very serious. And we are preciously lucky right now that our reservoirs are full. We just need to try everything we can at our kitchen, and at home, certainly not watering your yard, et cetera, in order to keep them that way. Supervisor Ann Malik, I want to thank you for taking the time to call in for the clarification and good advice. We really appreciate it. Thank you very much. Bye. All right. Thank you so much. Now, let me say a couple things. I was actually serving in elected office back in 2003 and having to deal with the drought that took place that and just referenced. In fact, that came to mind right before she said it. And I remember what happened. There were a lot of people whose businesses were hurt. I'm thinking of the car washes specifically and we had to gentlemen them. His name evades me because it's been more than 20 years. But he owned a local car wash, and they were getting shut down at the car wash and pretty much driven out of business because there was no water. And there were also a lot of questions about how to enforce the policy. Are we picking sides or picking winners? When we allow this industry to use water in this industry, can't think his name was Henry. Somebody will tell me who that was. Wine check maybe, who owned the car wash. It's coming back in fragments from 23 years ago. But it was a big deal. I was in a position to understand this very well, having grown up in Southern California and experienced severe water shortages during the days of my youth. And we really had to be careful. So it was, yes, turn the water off when you're brushing your teeth. Don't just let the water run, but also other things. As Anne referenced, there's a lot of things you can do to conserve the precious resource of water. So I appreciate the call very much. Anne, and thank you for bringing to our attention that this is an ongoing issue. And if everything can appear OK, and then a few days later things may be really bad. So thank you very much for that. Let's go to the break. I just love it when people call in with news like that. It's the purpose of the program, live, and personal to you. John Reed will be joining us after the break. We're going to be talking about just vote no, why that is, and what happens after tomorrow. Stay with the Shilling Show, John Reed coming up next. We're broadcasting live. This is the one and only Shilling Show on a Manic Monday edition of the program. Welcome back to the show, a frequent contributor, John Reed, a referendum in Ambassador from the Republican Party of Virginia, former Lieutenant Governor Candid and host of the Reed Revolution podcast. John, welcome back. Great to have you with us again. Hey, thank you very much. We're down to what just over 24 hours till we find out the results here in Virginia. And I'm just hoping that folks are paying close attention and are going to go out and vote no tomorrow if they haven't already cast their ballot. It's a very clear message. And yet the other side is intentionally confusing people with the ballot language in particular, which if people just showed up and didn't know anything about it, they might be susceptible, as one of our listeners said, and voting yes because it sounds nicer than voting no. So how do we get the word out? I mean, you're working on it right now, but if people go to the polls without knowing anything, I don't think we're going to get a good response out of that. Well, you know, they're deliberately deceiving general public. I mean, this is illegal in Virginia. I do hope the courts will punish the Virginia General Assembly. This ballot language was written by the Democrats themselves. There is no mechanism for fair and balanced ballot language in the Commonwealth, unfortunately. And it is deliberately deceiving innocent good people who want to go have their voice heard by trying to sucker them and thinking that stomping on people outside of Fairfax County and making sure that their vote doesn't even count on election day is somehow fair. And if you are somebody who wants to volunteer to try to get that right, call your local Republican officials. They are struggling to fill every precinct tomorrow from 6 o'clock in the morning with the polls open to 7. Because one thing I've noticed during early voting is the Democrats do not have the maps on display. They have deliberately been told, don't show people the maps. But the Republican booths are doing that so that you can see five congressional districts anchored in vote rich and Democrat stronghold Fairfax County. And once people can actually see the maps, oh, wow, then it suddenly becomes clear. Yeah, it's very graphic part of the pun to see those maps and see what they're doing. But many people are just not paying attention on the basis that we are. They're not-- they're listening maybe with one ear and they're not really sure. So let's go to the simple message, just vote no, because if it passes, what's going to happen, I guess? Well, there's several things. The most important in the immediate moment is that the maps will be redrawn for this November. You will have Republican candidates who I assume will run. But everyone will know that if Fairfax County turns out to vote, you'll have five Democrat Congress people who will probably actually live in Fairfax, and not in Charlottesville, not in Chesapeake, not in the other parts of the state. That's bad for Republicans, of course, but it's also bad for Democrats who live in those areas. right now you know democrats and republicans have to cater and to and try to take care of people in their districts because they're competing for voters they want to make sure they serve us them well if that's the case uh. virginia voters who don't live in northern virginia will be really out of luck but you know the speaker of the house of delegates the former drug dealer who spent several years in federal prison i mean what a shame it is that virginia has put that person in charge of the oldest legislative body in the new world he's having a press conference this afternoon i told reporters you should ask him to tell us that he will not use the power that this a referendum will give him to redraw the other maps the maps for the house of delegates the maps for the senate and i guarantee you he will not promise not to do that because this is a total power grab it is the most uh. egregious and uh. offensive thing i've seen in politics in in my professional career yeah just when you think you've seen the worst it gets worse than that we're talking with john read about just vote no tomorrow please make time to go to the polls and just vote no i want to talk now about our governor abacale spam burger who argued against it before she ended up voting for it what happened she lied you know abacale spam burger is a lot of things she's not stupid she was in the united states congress uh. this issue has been bubbling for many many months well over a year when she was a candidate she was asked on the campaign trail by reporters and by interested citizens hey do you want to participate in redistricting in virginia and she said right up to the end i have no interest in redistricting virginia what happened she wins on november fourth and then immediately the wheels go into overdrive to force this issue through uh. so that this will happen this year just in time for the midterms the problem is that the democrats have broken the law in doing this and i'm very disappointed in the supreme court of virginia for not stopping this whether they agree with the end result or not the the law has not been followed i'm it's like playing baseball if you if you don't touch the bases the point did you score is not going up on the board and the democrats didn't touch the bases they set up forty five days of early voting which i'm against but they wanted it but then they started this process after the voting had started and uh. they didn't do the correct notification that they've jammed this through and no one in the court system has had the fortitude and the commitment to justice to stop this so when this is over it is possible the democrats will have spent sixty maybe seventy million dollars on marketing public relations political marketing and the republicans maybe another twenty million dollars and it will have caused a tremendous rift uh. in virginia uh. political culture that probably isn't going to repair be repaired anytime soon i wish the court said that they would be neutral arbiters and just enforce the law yeah this was very troublesome because you as you reference and i know and i've talked about many times john you know the courts are very reticent to overturn the results of an election whether it's a recall on city council which we had here for years ago or other issues they just don't like to get involved that way so i don't know it was kind of cowardly in my opinion for them to just kick the can down the road and then hope it would work out later because i don't see them intervening well i appreciate the the self-restraint not to overturn an election i mean i guess you had an opportunity to read the law in black and white not from a republican perspective or a democrat perspective but just what the law requires and match that against what the democrats did here and it's clear they didn't follow the rules so you know one of the big problems here is if you've got someone like me who ran for lieutenant governor who's been around government his entire life as a staffer as a family member elected officials as an advocate a lobbyist if you've got someone like me who is publicly saying that this is diminished my confidence in the judicial system in virginia uh. you you're really suffering a crisis in the state and how can i expect lawyers and judges and prosecutors and everyone associated with this system to treat some poor person who's been accused of a crime who has no resources and no ability to defend themselves how can i expect them to treat that person fairly when they wanted to take something like this barely it shakes my faith in this system to the core and that's a pretty bad place to be john were just about a time of tell us where we can get the read revolution podcast oh yeah hope you'll tune in i'm on facebook and twitter on youtube it's the read revolution if you want to listen to the audio version after of course they listen to your show that's right find it on apple spotify monday through friday good uh. update on some of the headlines and a lot of great interviews and then course i opine on things from thankful for all the people who have joined the read revolution i appreciate thanks for joining us will see what happens tomorrow appreciate your efforts thanks john vote no thank you just vote no all right let's go to the break family repair of relationships coming up next on the showing show with tiny cazal it's a huge topic we're gonna jump in because i know this is affecting a lot of people stay with the showing show the shelling show continues with a very important topic then in all of our years on the radio here i don't believe we've covered this and it was a deputy community watchdog listener who suggested the topic and the guest and i was very pleased that she responded because so many people have been receiving emails like crazy over the years are dealing with family strangement tania cazal joins us a family of strangement and healing expert on the topic of repairing family relationships tania thank you for joining us today on the shelling show we really appreciate it yeah of course you have a personal story here about your own upbringing and how you coped in what happened to you which kind of informs your work today so maybe you can give us some background on your own personal story sure so yes i have my own personal experience story with my mom i grew up being a middle child where i felt emotionally neglected in many ways and even in some way physically neglected where i felt like i didn't receive the love and in birthday gifts and certain things like that that obviously impacted the way that i saw myself the way that i found love felt love all of the things and as i got older into my early to mid-twenties which is like peak identity formation that i now understand eventually just kind of in the name of p_e_t_ said you know what my mom's the root of my problems she should have known better done better done all the things and so i cut her off and i did for almost two years as i was trying to navigate my own sense of empowerment in healing all the stuff and obviously eventually as a really dope into emotional healing and real health and happy as i understood that obviously it's not the solution this is such a challenge today the family of strangenment i'm getting so many emails and calls from people whose hearts are absolutely broken so let's talk about what it looks like because i suppose this can take many forms not just a direct cutoff but in other ways as well what have you observed over the years yeah you're right it comes in so many different forms is so many unique situations but what i've seen over the years i mean i obviously i just recently did a a release of u_s_a_ today where i was talking about how i do feel like it's a fifty year societal influence that's also happened that's shaped the big epidemic that we're seeing today um. because i feel like in the name of protecting your piece and empowerment and self love it came at the cost of no longer being able to hold up situations in hard conversations and relationships that are not necessarily mended or repaired through easy conversations in the situation so we're in society now where people are insensitive to people in their story to get sensitive to so many topics at the same time and i feel like that created a conflict that we're seeing right now where people are which is into walk away and avoid these hard situations versus learning the emotional strength and resilience intelligence to actually able to navigate so so i think that's a really good point to make it on and i want to ask you what's changed because i'm guessing that social media in many ways is kind of uh. encouraging people to have this cutoff mentality so is that what change in if so what else has changed yeah definitely social media nowadays playing a huge role because what happened is what i call therapy language has moved out of therapy rooms and now are normalized across social media and everywhere uh. i definitely think it started before that when you talk about the growing trend of therapy right one in two out of five people in families are now in therapy and it's not to say that therapy's not great it's got its place in its time but the problem is i find that it keeps people stuck into knowing who the bill is in their story was in a kennedy to instuck here when you add in uh. you know i'm a millennial and the leniel grew up with these talk shows are all about you know and paramedic family dispunctions and all of that and kids walking away from families you have shows and movies that were normalizing dysfunctional mothers and parents and found family when you look at the show friends even, right? It was like found family and everyone is dysfunctional. All their families were dysfunctional. So they separated from their families and found each other. So there's been a lot of, in my opinion, programming around this topic that's happened. And then that's why you see such a surge in millennials, which is only amplifying now with social media, where it's putting all of this emotional language before people actually even understand what's happening on an emotional level. 977-1070s, a phone number. We're talking with Tani Kazzala, family of Strangement and healing expert on repairing family relationships. And she knows how this works. So it seems to me and you could tell us your own experience that a lot more common for the child to cut off parents than the parents cutting off the child. Is that true and if so, why? Of course. Yeah, of course. There's definitely some parents that you cut off the children. But it's a lot more common for the children now because what's happening I find is what is not easy. And when you have especially a social media platform that's naming their emotions so much, we're just decided it's a creative victim mentality. Let's be honest. We have a society that's very sensitive to every topic, every ideology, everything is labeled now. You have to talk to it, you can know it's statistic. And when all of these labels are coming up, it's almost painting everybody with that same brush. So children in the name of empowerment are starting to say, you're right, I'm a victim to what happened to me. These are the people who did that harm to me. My parents should have done better, known better, loved better, all of the stuff. And it's created such a victim villain mentality now when people are stuck there instead of allowing themselves to say, no, I'm not a victim to this story. They did the best they can with what they had. And to them they did an incredible job compared to their upbringing. And that level of awareness I feel like is lacking in society nowadays, which is creating this epidemic. Tonya, it's really sad, but it seems like it's part of a function of growing up to realize the things you just said, but most parents have done the best they could with what they had and that we can't expect perfection in parenting, because that's a learning on the job as you go. So what happened to people just growing up and becoming mature and handling in the mature ways that you just represented? I think the biggest thing is that they're not giving the same tools and resources. When you're in this society, when you think about social media, even at school and everything, when you're in a society that's really naming your wounds without giving you the blueprint to actually repair past it as the problem. So now everyone knows that, oh, I'm insecure because of this. I myself was as affected because of this. I can't have a hard competition. I'm triggered by these things. These people are toxic in all of this. You have labels to these emotions. But no one is giving the blueprint on how to feel through that. So through my own research and studying and actually navigating my emotional feeling is where I notice there's such a dysfunction around people aren't taught how to forgive, how to have confrontational conversations, how to fit in the hard conversations, how to even allow themselves to say, if I'm so triggered by someone else's behavior, it's not a them problem, it's a new problem. How do I get myself to a point where I'm no longer triggered by them? There's nobody that's teaching that nowadays. Everyone is just teaching the surface level stuff. We're talking with Tonya Kazal family, a strange man and healing expert. We have one more segment ahead. If you have comments or questions, 9, 7, 7, 10, 70, before we go to the break, we'll come back on the other side. Tonya, if people want to read more about the work that you're doing, tell us how they can reach you. Of course, yeah, Tonya Kazal. If you could find them on any social platform at Tonya Kazal or my website, Tonya Kazal.com, you could see all my free resources, videos, podcasts that we recently launched and of course a ton of my programs too. We've got one segment ahead with Tonya and we're going to be talking about healing, what that actually looks like, and how do you start? Where do you begin? There's so much to talk about on this subject of family estrangement. The Shilling Show continues with Tonya Kazal in just a moment into our final segment. All right, Shilling Show continuing into our final segment today, family estrangement and healing expert Tonya Kazal joins us. So I want to start with the topic of healing, but what does healing look like if we had to define it, Tonya? - I mean, that's a very big question, but from an emotional healing perspective, I feel like it really comes from making peace with everything that's happened to you and where you're going. Like the true internal peace where it's no longer someone else in behavior can create a certain response from you. I feel like a lot of people's nervous, we think about health altogether. Healing means I'm supporting my nervous system. I'm able to be a healthy, happy person and what do I actually have to do at the core from the roots to be able to do that? - I know a lot of people would like to have healing, but they don't want to do the work or it's hard work and they're hesitant to do it. But if we're healed, then we would seem to be able to let things go. Is healing synonymous with letting go of something that you've been cleaning on to for years? - Of course, yes, there's a big correlation between that. It's a health consultation in the physical realm for a very long time and I realize how much it'd be emotional part that forgiveness, the ability to let things go, turn the page, all about was actually one of the biggest components of people's physical symptoms. It's an incredible correlation. - You have a list on your website, but I'd like to cover it briefly because it's really important who your work is not for, who aren't really not going to be benefiting from your services if they have these characteristics or ideas. - I would say people that are not really to look at themselves in the mirror to see how they played a role into the whole situation and what they're willing to do going forward. This is not an easy fix. It's really your ability to say, okay, what's my part in this story? What can I do about it? Who am I becoming through this and where do I need to go through that? And if someone is not ready for that kind of, just wants to stay in the blame game, wants to stay the victim, doesn't want to actually look at themselves. That's unfortunately not the person that I'd be working for and working with. So let's say that you find a suitable group, or a suitable family that's willing to work with you. Do you work across generations? Or do you work on one side and let them do the work on the other side? - So I primarily work with individuals in my community, it's with individuals. However, I ask a lot of questions about the entire dynamic. So I try to understand how, for example, a parent, I work with a lot of parents, right? So when the parent comes to me, I ask a lot of the questions of their child's upbringing, how were they, how were their relationships? How was your relationship with them? How was their relationship with their siblings? How were they at school? I'm really trying to understand the child a lot so that I can help the parent understand the psychological and emotional state of the child so that they're able to approach it differently, while alongside working with the parent through the same thing on rewriting their story, how they show up differently, how they grew up, affect their parenting, and they kind of try to bring both stories together. - So this is part of the problem, and I'm so glad you brought up the stories. It seems like in previous generations, again, before social media, which is a huge contributor to this, that people shared family stories, and there was probably a lot of closeness that was derived from that sharing, and also a sense of family and unity, which doesn't seem to exist today. - Yes, you're right. I actually did a post about this recently about how I feel like there's been such a poor independence in the name of leaving your family really young and not being able to build that foundation where people are so eager to leave the home versus realizing that there's so much foundation and stability that can be grown in the home. It shared meals. I actually have a free guide called the table method that talks about that. Like these meals together, these sharing the stories, it's such an important component to really gain the wisdom of your ancestors that in this fast paced world, where everyone is leaving home in the name of independence and all of that is not allowing that to form. So you're right. - I think that you mentioned the word wisdom, which is so important, that a lot of people know things. They might have a lot of facts at hand, but they're extremely lacking in wisdom. How does one gain the wisdom or open themselves up to wisdom as part of the equation here? We don't hear that word enough. - I mean, in my opinion, wisdom is your ability to really take in people's stories in the history. History in a sense of what's my mother's story, what's my father's story, what is their father's story, their mother's story, that how do they grow up? When you have that level of understanding and compassion and wisdom, and it's not just knowledge, where it's textbook knowledge, but like actual, that wisdom is your ability to discern and say, wow, this is deep. This is, it carries a lot of ways and how does that correlate to my being as a person now and into this world? At the deeper level of, you know, there's IQ, and most people know IQ, but then there's EQ, which is the emotional intelligence that I find only comes from these shared stories that enhance your ability to have that true wisdom. - We've got just a couple minutes left with Tanya Cazal, family, strangement, and healing expert. If you looked back at your course of work and working with people over the years, what are the top two or three mistakes that people make in attempting to reconcile or to bury these problems and move forward? - Good question. So from a parent's perspective, is there a defending and trying to justify themselves? So what typically happens is a child is trying to explain their pain or trying to explain themselves or share the hurt that they've experienced, and a parent will typically automatically go to trying to explain themselves, because obviously a parent doesn't want to hurt their child so they're trying to explain and defend themselves so that the child can understand them and then no longer feel hurt by it. That is the number one mistake, is I tell parents, Now it feels like to your child that you're excuse is bigger than their pain. So instead of you to just acknowledge their pain, I'm sorry that you felt that way. Tell me a little bit more about how you felt that way. Once you've kind of built that foundation with them and they feel emotionally heard, then you can go to saying, "Can I share my thought of the story as well and how I was positioned I within or anything like that?" That is the number one mistake that a two parents make across the board is defending, over apologizing, even over-functioning, which means I'm going to give you whatever you want and say as many apologies as you need to to just keep a relationship with me, when that's actually in simplest terms, you're feeding the beast and actually just creating a bigger imbalance in those instances. You mentioned accountability and also the terms shame and blame. I often find that the shame is a concept that people don't really relate to anymore. There's nothing to be ashamed of, but how do you get accountability without shame or blame? Well, that's a part of growth. You have to be able to look at yourself in the mirror and say, "Okay, I'm not happy with how I did things. I'm not happy with how I showed up and everything, but I have to be able to forgive myself and say, "How am I going to learn from this now?" A kind of way is really about your ability to look at yourself and say, "I can sit here and blame people or shame myself for what I didn't know," or I can say, "Okay, put your big girl pants on in my case and say, "What can I do that I would get better, so I'm no longer sitting in that shame?" And actually, it's pretty good about the growth and the opportunity that I have ahead of me. It's very exciting to know that there is help for this issue, which so many people are suffering under. Tanya, Kazal, people are calling and asking once again for the website and how they could be in touch with you. So tell us how, please. Of course, it's Tanya Kazal, T-A-N-I-A-K-H-A-Z-A-L. I'm across social media, Facebook, Instagram, TikTok, YouTube, and my website. It's beyond time for people to take this seriously. And Tanya, Kazal, thank you for joining us today on The Shilling Show. Of course, thank you.