The Sandra Bullock Movie Star Playbook and ‘Practical Magic 2.’ Plus: ‘Oasis: Don’t Look Back in Anger.’

It's time for us to hit the road once again. Last time we left the country, this time we're staying in state. We're heading to ACT's Tony Remby Theater in San Francisco on Wednesday, October 21st for a very special live show. We'd love for you to join us. Tickets will go on sale this coming Friday, September 18th at 11am Pacific. TheRinger.com/Events will have all the details very soon. Again, the big picture will be live in San Francisco at ACT's Tony Remby Theater on Wednesday, October 21st. And you can grab your tickets beginning this Friday, September 18th at 11am Pacific. More information will be at theRinger.com/Events soon. We hope to see you there. I'm Shawn Phenese and this is the big picture a conversation show about magic done practically. On today's podcast, Amanda and I are joined by Yasisolak of the band's playing podcast to dig into the weekend's big movie, sort of, Practical Magic 2, A Sequel to the 1998 original starring Nicole Kidman and Sandra Bullock. Later in the episode, we will talk about Sandra Bullock's interesting career and maybe where it should go from here. We will also talk about the new millennial ultra-text, which is a concert documentary called Oasis Don't Look Back in Anger. We'll also talk about some movie news right after this. This episode is presented by State Farm. You know the feeling. Long day, good meal. You finally sit down and now you're just staring at your screen. Slasher, romcom, period drama, psychological thriller, but some decisions don't have to be that hard. State Farm is here to help. Like when you choose to bundle and save with the personal price plan, bundling, just another way to save with the personal price plan. Like a good neighbor, State Farm is there. Prices are based on rating plans that vary by state. Covered options are selected by the customer, availability, amount of discounts and savings, and eligibility vary by state. Imagine setting your makeup, then forgetting it's even theirs. 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Yeah. Do you think that that was a just-victory? No. Okay. And also, I mean, I'm still getting rude comments from Canadians who have just, like, wandered into this room and then, like, what is the big picture? What's a movie draft and what, you know, how can you say that this represents Canadian cinema, which, like, we did not, to be clear. We did not. We were very clear about the fact that we were Carpet Baggers that we showed up welcome, but uninformed. That's true. Very American behavior. Yeah. It's also one bread for this podcast in general. Over the weekend, a bunch of movies did premiere at TIFF. I got a chance to see I play Rocky, which is the new biopic about the making of the film Rocky. The sort of film I usually don't like kind of enjoyed this one. We'll talk about it a little bit more of that. I'm very curious to hear what he has to say, I suspect not the kind things. Also saw them rehearsal. I'll leave film your mother and your mother and your mother, which is the film that he embossed some tarmac made after they did not make Blade. Okay. They should have made Blade. Yeah. It was really good. Misty Green saw Chris Rock's new movie, which I thought was fascinating and will be the subject of an interesting conversation on this show. And then there were a few other titles being Human River, apparently popped for some people and love of your life. In addition to that, some film festival news, you were not at the Venice Film Festival this year with a man. So, sadly this year, sat it out. Yeah. I sent you some texts. You did. I visited some of our old haunts. I felt really loved. I felt loved and missed. I thought of you often. Yeah. I felt like I felt like I was going to have a couple of goals by some velvet shoes that I didn't really need. In your honor. And your honor. Yeah. And also some glass. Did you know that this year, I did some Toronto glasses. How did you get at home in my bag, you know, just with the, they, they wrapped up nicely. And it's beautiful. We ended last Thursday hearing the story off mic and I'm hearing it once again on mic. It's important. The results of the Venice Film Festival prize winners. Very confusing. Full disclosure. I'm in a target watching my son try to play an Nintendo switch. As you were texting me, being like, who do you think will win the golden lion? And I was like, I don't, I'm, I'm back to my other life. Possible love, which I think everyone thought would be the winner won the silver lion, the runner up. And so there was about what, five minutes of intrigue when we had together when I texted you. Yeah. I saw possible love on the silver line. And I was like, huh, yeah. Weird. What's left? It turns out that woman unknown directed by male, Tookie, one, I did see this movie. So I'm two for two at going to your MP of film festivals and seeing the top prize. That's right. You are. Just very exciting for me. And yet you, it was not a part of your report. So why was that? It was, it was not bad, but also not particularly memorable. I think it's a perfectly competent film. It was set in 1945 or just a very, very recent post-war Denmark and is about the, what, what that society is doing with collaborators or how they're responding to life after being occupied by the Nazis for many years as, as they were. And it, and it is told from the perspective and focuses on women rather than men and male Tookie is women, women, have you heard of them? And there was, there was some controversy at the Venice Film Festival that there were very few films directed by women in competition. This, this film was the other interesting thing about this is, did you, did you hear about the premiere? No. Where things went nuts after, so after, you know, only letting like two women, I think, into the, the competition, they screwed up the premiere and the subtitles got all wrong. And so they actually had to stop and restart and many people left. So this film has been, you know, mistreated by, by Venice until I guess the makeup of the Golden Line. I thought, I thought it was totally normal in a film that like I've seen in some ways many times before and also steals kind of, it's most memorable moments from Game of Thrones. So in that sense, there's, there's other white walkers. But that's okay. I mean, it's not not effective, but I, you know, I, I didn't race out to tell you about it. Yeah. Yeah, you do. That's interesting. Okay. I mean, I look forward to seeing that movie. I noticed that, um, also the star of the film, Matilda ourselves, also won Best Actress. And she's good. Yeah. Yeah. And, and Malkovich won for Wild Horse 9, perhaps unsurprisingly. That's right. There was a special jury prize for Naza from Yuval Abraham and Rachel Zor, Yuval Abraham, of course, um, uh, worked on no other land, the documentary a couple of years ago about Palestine or about the West Bank, excuse me. And, um, uh, it's an interesting collection. I'm very international collection. I think it kind of speaks to the like lack of story lineup that appeared in Venice this year. I also find that the awards at the Venice Film Festival are often a little bit strange that they, of course, famously gave the Golden Line to Joker. Yeah. Have you seen Joker? No. Do you think you'll see it? Maybe. Anything could happen. Um, I got to get through a season for Reacher. Are you watching Reacher? I love Reacher so much. I would die for that, man. Alan Richardson or the character Jack Richard Jack, Richard, Alan Richardson also seems really lovely. What did what appealed as Reacher hold for you? Okay. I'm so glad you asked. Um, it has like a brand of humor. I really enjoy. Okay. And also there's like a sort of like an expertise porn or like maybe also a hulking strength porn, but kind of both like he knows everything because he was like a military police chief or something. Sorry if that's wrong. Who cares? It doesn't matter. And he can beat everybody up. And I find it very satisfying. Okay. Yeah. Have you seen Reacher? No, but I've seen that actor in other films. I know that he had sort of like a world star incident recently. What? Didn't he like get in a fight with someone or he saved someone from a fight? No one held me out of the books. The only thing I know is that he's getting divorced and then he's getting divorced after you don't say. He's also very vociferously anti-Trump and it's known for going on. And also very. And also very. And also very Christian with me. And very Christian. So you're saying he is about to be on the market. You guys missed this? That's correct. Yeah. Okay. Or I was saying that's correct. He's about to be on the market. I'll tell you who I wouldn't get into if I was Alan Richardson. He's like six, six, two, eight. He's just saying if he's listening, you're interested. I'm interested. I'm available. Yeah. This happened in March. He was riding a motorcycle around a Tennessee neighborhood with his children. And they were on his motorcycle and then he got into a fight. It seems not ideal. Maybe it had a side car. That's not like reach or ask. You think they had a seat. He had a side car. Maybe. Double side car. Wow. That's pretty funny. A small children on one side. Can I say just one more thing about? woman unknown which is just that so if it's been eight minutes listen we had to investigate what's going on in Alan Richardson's personal life or Richardson's so along with Fjord so the European film festivals have given the top prize to movie set in Scandinavia dealing with social morals and whether Scandinavians could be trusted and that's really just I wanted to point that out okay there we go Denmark is Danish yeah I think I got this wrong quite a bit that's correct I Holland is the Dutch yeah yeah shoes shoes I'm another thing so let's not let's not reduce these entire nations to broad cultural artists out that's all okay well thanks for sharing let's stay in Europe why don't we great what let's speak of Oasis don't look back and hang here now I mean Europe is complicated with respect to Oasis now all right are they you know you want to wait and not one did we not Brexit we did Brexit suppose did they play any other shows in any other European nations in that film I know they played shows in the United States and in Asia were there any other European performances they're definitely in in Brazil that's right of course are they you guys you're going to feel real stupid Ireland oh yes Ireland did not really not yes yes yeah can't wait to talk about that so this movie which you did see in Venice and you briefly report it on and then Yasi and I got a chance to go see it this weekend and put it on my top five unlike woman unknown yes and I think very understandably having now seen the film which I thought was absolutely delicious give Oasis the golden lion is that what it's called you can't was this film in competition it was not no well it should have been it's directed by Will Lovelace and Dylan Southern who are a pair of documentarians who've made a few films sort of like this they made the meet me in the bathroom film they made LCD I'd play the hits a couple of other I would say millennial Gen X coated music docs okay and this movie is about Oasis reuniting and Liam and Noel after many many years I think is it 17 years of not playing together reuniting and including bringing other members of the band bringing bone head back into the band and and and touring the world and and changing people's lives and you know I've been thinking back on my relationship to Oasis okay because that's what the film demands right I didn't get a chance to see them perform live like you guys did and I was sad about that I still don't really know why that didn't happen since I live 15 minutes from the Rose Bowl 45 on foot which is what happens after you see a show at the Rose Bowl oh you walked home you got to walk all the way out of there oh yeah you have to walk back to pass it sounds like you didn't try hard enough if I'm being honest as I recall it was an extremely busy period in my life that's all I'll say with a with a minimal amount of childcare in my life so we were we were short of eight I think it was like the week after tell you ride also yeah because it was it was very soon it was like early events like early September is right when I got back because I came back from that long right after events and I want straight to those yes so fairly quick turnaround for this movie and this was a she I mean a hugely anticipated thing for fans but as a as a teenager I remember very vividly loving the band buying the first record and listen burning it out and that's all before what's the story morning glory yeah like and and being I had a good friend of mine Ryan in high school was very NME Pilled and his mother was English and he knew about a lot of British bands and he was like very early on the strokes because he was reading the British music press and he was very into Oasis and then I think he became maybe more of a blur person and I stuck with Oasis and I never really totally got into blur until I got older but you know what you just have like a youthful sense memory and something comes pouring back yeah I feel like this movie was just a two hour sense memory you know I've just like passionate love for CDs that I listened to over and over again while playing video games in my mom's basement and God this movie was just so satisfying and beautiful and fun that's my review I mean 1000 percent agree but we know that Yassie dudes rock music is amazing fandom is gorgeous you can have it all but how much do you want it this is a perfect film five out of five so ten out of ten a big conceit of the movie is this kind of twin to approach between the union of of Nolan Liam and showing how their personalities are different and how they're still brothers and they're still connected and then showing how their music has really affected multiple generations of fans which I thought was an obvious but brilliant conceit because it gives the movie so much emotionality and then it's we don't have to depend too much on Liam and Noel being clever about themselves right which is only they're very good at but that's usually works best I find in small bursts right and they get like they get one recording of Noel admiring Liam and one of Liam being like this kid wrote the songs and they mean you know like where they but you only have a minute from each of them which can't sustain an entire documentary so they've had it out yeah so they bounce from city to city and essentially like each song more or less gets a city yeah and you get to use that as a portal into the dynamics of the song what the song is about what the history of it is how it relates to the history of the band there can be different kind of strains of storytelling like there's a strain that's about bonehead there's a strain that's about their Irish heritage there's a strain that's about a fan who's traveled a long distance to come see them play how did you think about that I just I thought it was so brilliant the way they like did the connective tissue between the beats like it could have been like they they could have really gone heavy-handed with it with the emotionality like but for example like I think I'm thinking about one of the beats which was a I believe it was like a kid like a teenager with autism whose mother was talking about how he never spoke until he asked for talk tonight and like I cried but also like they didn't they didn't beat it into the ground right it was so so it was like two minutes two minutes very brief because also that's not the tone and tenor of oasis like they're not sincere and emotional I mean the music is but they as a band that is one of their most emotional songs that's a very unusual always song acoustic no singing one it's one of my favorite songs but it's an interesting thing because I thought of the oasis super sonic documentary which is a movie seven or eight years ago a great film yeah but that film spends a lot of time explaining the context of that song which is this moment where there's this you know horrible show in L.A. where it seems like the bands about to break up a bunch of cocaine actually it was math yes they got very very fucked up no panics he leads he goes to San Francisco and disappears for a few days and he meets this girl and he kind of like has a weekend fling slash falls in love with this girl he writes this song about this time that he has with this girl which kind of lets him like reconstitute his feelings about the band none of that is in this movie it's just about this kids relationship to that song which is I thought was just such a nice choice this film it that's my other thing where I think they were really restrained is like you know how much b-roll and back old archival footage there as of oasis they didn't use that much because that's not what this movie is about right it's not about the past it's about the present and like it coming into our lives again and I thought that was really smart and cool too it's also really well chosen what they use in the present and that is the the artistic child is the most moving example but every single interstitial kind of every single fan that they illuminate you and I found myself even bracing there's like 10 seconds of someone with a sign and you think it's sort of the generic like I love oasis so much like outside of a crowd type thing and and it feels or I was worried that it was kind of like traditional fan documentary and every single example of that there's a twist or something quirky the bonehead one is about how she loves she's just voice over about how much she loves bonehead and then it's her dog who's named bonehead funny and very clever and so they're even using these very traditional music documentary tropes but in a in a smart and amusing way it's and I think what's really genius about it it's like twofold like one is that like as you know we experienced the shows and like the London show was the I made a really questionable decision that ultimately paid off okay no one to London to like go see them play with a fan who I'd never met oh my god yes bless you Chad and his friend Joe did he invite you yeah that's right okay yeah and I was like you know what you're alive it's an absolute miracle I was like I was like pinned an air tag to my chest you know patented note please take care of this y'all see going into the night we were sharing locations but it was important again no risk no reward it was the best night of my life I landed it was oh it was your birthday party remember I stayed an extra day because your birthday party yes that's right because this was the big talk of that night was like what safety precautions should I take let's let's be real Chad turned out to be one of the great ones he was okay yeah yeah Joe isn't my role dog for life now but all right so I flew in that the day of the show okay very risky very risky but I couldn't miss a man that's birthday yeah off the plane straight to the standard hotel shout out may one of my favorite places to stay in London meeting meeting up with Joe and Chad and thank God my friend Lindsay Hartman and her girlfriend were there so I also had my girls and we hit you know we the the entire city was like on fire with Oasis like everywhere you went people the whole tube was just people decked out in their Oasis gear safe singing the songs, we like walking up to Wembley, we stopped for a drink in a bar, where an oasis cover band was playing, and everyone's singing along and having drinks, go into Wembley, it was just, you know, I thought it was really smart that they didn't cover the openers in this, but like Richard Ashcroff opened in London. - Oh, interesting. - And amazing, he played Verbsongs, like Joe, who was probably six, five and 300 pounds weeping behind me. Did I meet a group of gorgeous young British men and befriend them? - Yeah. - Yeah. - Sure did. Did Joe accidentally apartake in a powdered substance that he thought was a different powdered substance, which rendered him immobile, and thus somehow became my responsibility because Chad absconded into the night. - Oh, I had forgotten that part. - Okay. - I don't think I've heard of this. - I have 300 pounds, me and Lindsay Hartman, one arm over escorting this man out of Wembley. What do we do? - Still, again, people were crying. I was like in the pit, arms around people I had never met. You know, we're jumping them down, beers being splashed everywhere. It was magic. Like, it was just the energy I've never felt anything like it. And the, sorry, to bring it back to the documentary, I really think the documentary captured that. Like, I felt like I was back there. I was like, they nailed it. It wasn't hyperbole. Like, that's what it was like. - I went to the Rose Bowl shows in Pasadena, which you also did, but you were, you were general admission. - Yeah, in the foreground. I was not. I thought the documentary was more fun than the Rose Bowl show. - I'm gonna, I don't want my opinion. - I don't want my opinion. - Negative towards Los Angeles, but the Rose Bowl show was a little like, people being cool guy. And a little like, people were like, I just want to go to the show because it's the cool thing to do. A little bit, I mean, it's also in England. This is the pride of England. - Of course, it was the end of the tour also. And we're on the later side. And so, I mean, that's the other thing about the documentary is just the, the filmed concert footage of all the different performances and the edit is amazing. And so, you see a lot that we did not get a Pasadena. And both guys just seemed a lot more emotionally present at those early shows than they were in-- - Well, there's also the crowds. Like, I think it was so smart of them to focus on Mexico City in Brazil because nobody loves rock music but more than Mexico City in Brazil. They will die for it. And those crowds were on fire. Like it was crazy. Yeah, but I feel like the second smart thing that this one of those smart, but what Oasis is about to me, like, and as someone who has spent months and months of my life researching Oasis, is they are the people's princesses, right? They make broad music for everybody in themic music. And it's about, like, it's about broadness. And I think you saw in this documentary that it was really about what it is to just be a fan and love music. It wasn't so granular. But you know, it was just like, this is how moving music and bands can be. - You're right. And it did capture that. One of my favorite moments of the movie is when the British chap is outside, when the announcement is made, and he's like, I gotta get out and be Fred Perry. You know what I'm talking about? And they're like, they're laughing at him and he's like, I'm serious. Like, I have to get it out. Like, this is a huge deal. And there's obviously a lot of national identity built up in there. - Yeah. - And it is about interpersonal relationships and individual people's relationships to a certain kind of music. But it did give me like some of that nerdy music documentary stuff that I want. Like the exploration of some might say, and like what that song is about, and they're Irish heritage, and then playing, you know, talking about the Paul Kelly song, "All Triangle." - Mm-hmm. - You know, that's like some old, some normal music documentary stuff that isn't just about like rocking out a concert. - How great was that part? Like, my roommate leaned over to me and where it was all together. And I always just jerseys. And she was like Irish scientist. (laughing) And I was like, period. - It was. Well, there's the great, that great, is it the Liam Quo where he's like, no, it's no, he's like the Irish are the only race that can cry, laugh, fight, smoke, drink all at the same time. - Also, I'm sorry, I said it before and I'll say it again. They should have let me smoke cigarettes in the screening of this Oasis documentary. - Okay. Did you try? - No. - Okay. - Would that be possible in the UK, anywhere? Like in Manchester? - Oh my god, you guys are for $4 billion idea. Can someone open a smoking theater? - Feel like it's not healthy for the screen and the speakers. - All right, the tech nerd weighs in. - It's literally, I'm like, okay. - It's such a world. - I don't need to, I'm not really a part of the smoking revolution. I'm trying to. - Okay. - I'm trying to. - You don't have to convert into a regular AMC I'm at. - So whatever. - Are you guys funding the smoke screen? Like, that's what it's called. - Yeah, sure. - Yeah. - I'm open to announcements. - No, obviously, we're getting sponsors. - Okay. - That's why you're listening. I would love to partner with you on the smoke screen and new series of theaters where you can smoke cigarettes. - Wait, can we just, can we talk about the knoll and Liam of it all? - Yeah, of course. - He's like, "It's so beautiful." - It's really, really. - I was relieved that they both allowed themselves to be sincere about it. - Right. - Because I didn't worry a little bit. - Yeah, but they both gave you enough, you know? Like, Liam especially, you know, Liam is a fucking rollercoaster, man. And Liam has had some troubles. Like, Liam in the post-breakup. Things were a little dodgy there for a while. - Yeah. - He obviously is still like a beautiful person and it like a one-of-one elite front man. - He is one of the most truly fascinating people at some. He's like pure id. - Yes. - I've never experienced anything like it. - It's so important to me. - Yeah, I know. He's very manicoded. - He's an inspiration. - I'm so connected to him. - You have to try really hard to not care. - Yeah, this much. - Yeah, to not give a fuck. - Yeah. - To not give a fuck, yeah. No, of course, has not changed that much, I would say. He's more or less the same person, which is like, really somewhere between that very ordinary counsel estate, lower middle class kid, and deep thinker. Like music obsessed kid, like laying on the carpet in his bedroom, listening to every record ever, and kind of figuring out like song structures. And yeah. - Yeah, he's, I mean, he's a genius. He's a songwriting genius. - That's the way this is such a rich thing for something like this, because they are the platonic ideal of a rock band, right? They have the two figures, which in many of the greatest rock bands exist. The figure that writes the songs, and is sort of the musical genius, but they're kind of writing it about the front man. - That's right. - Who's living it out. It's very micken-key, you know, like, this is, this is how they-- - That's invertebrate, invertebrate, yeah. - Exactly. - And their brothers, also. - And their brothers, so it's like biblical, like, also in the strain of like the Jesus and Mary chain. There's like many, you know, brother, bickering, but like you're tied together by blood and DNA. - Yeah, the kinks are like this, yeah. - The kinks, exactly. And it's like, it's myth, you know? They're a rock and roll myth. - Yeah, it's been, honestly, was sad to me that they were not communicating and not in touch. And so even if they, well, to me, the single most, like, chills moment of the movie for me is because I didn't go to the shows when they're in Cardiff at the first show, and they walk on stage. And first of all, fucking in the bushes is an absolute banger, which I always love from standing on the shoulder of John. So that being there, like, walk out music. - Shoulders. - And then, what did I say? - No, you said it, but I just loved to point out that it's standing on the shoulder, one shoulder of John. - Oh, standing on the shoulder of John. - It's not shoulders. - And Liam grabs an old hand and raises his hand in the air. And they walk out together holding hands. - And they talk and they say, "Oh my God, this is so great." - I had no idea that that happened. I never saw that photo, or I didn't know that. - Oh, they did it every show. - Right, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - That kind of became there. But was that planned? Did they discuss that? Is that something Liam did last minute? I don't know. - And Knoll's kind of narrating it. And he's like, he showed up late. I was so nervous. He's just asking about the catering. I don't even know what's going on. - If he built it up to seem, and who knows where we're in there, but they built it to seem like he had no idea what Liam was gonna be like. - Yes. - A friend was at a Q&A in London over the weekend with Will Lovelace and Dylan Sutheran. And the footage that you see of rehearsals, where Liam shows up, doesn't say anything, and leaves, was apparently true throughout rehearsals. And so they had no idea until the tour started of whether the reconciliation was real. - Well, don't tell that moment. - Right, no one knew we were all, it was like-- - Serious. - They were the polymers. - If you had tickets to the third show, where you can talk about this in the time. Like, would they make it to the Rose Bowl for sure? - I will say someone did know, though, that they had to show the Adidas bag front facing. She was coming and going. So someone was paying attention to a few things. And that's okay. - Yeah, it was really beautiful. And I also like that they show, especially in the end of the film, the progression, and how clearly they got closer. Like, they're embraced at the end of the show and Liam would walk off, and they would hug, and they would kiss. You know, it seemed like they like, they amended something over time and play playing together. - I think it's really cool that this documentary doesn't over-explain our handhold. So it's rewarding if you're like a me, for example, who like knows the minutiae of every historical detail and background. But I think it's just as rewarding if you just kind of like three-oasis. - Mm-hmm. - Yeah, I thought it was really cool. But like, for example, like, I think part of what's so special about you seeing them come together and you seeing no shift towards Liam is that Liam never sounded this good. - Yeah. - Like, actually literally never. But definitely, like, I saw them like 2004 or five. Did not. His voice never, and he clearly has like, doubled down and recommitted himself. He said it. I'm not smoking, you know, they have the straws. The straws I think are for vocalists. - If he was also not drinking during the whole tour, I would, that would be shawty. - I thought he said that. - Maybe he had a film. - I think he did. And then he talks about, you know, when they, they do a clever thing, they sat down for one joint interview and they don't really show them together in frame until the very end of the documentary. Just like, yeah. - Yeah, and you're just like, oh, that's so good. And then there's that bit where, Liam is talking about having other kids on tour and he's like the kids are having such a great night and I'm like some you know They had never met and and but he was saying that basically the kids were partying and he's He's not he's too old and then we'll just sitting there giggling. It's wonderful Yeah, it's really it's a it's a really really good example of a movie like this Yeah movies like this can go terribly wrong. They can be very like authorized and phony seeming and this is like a genuine Document that I think attic accurately shows the relationship the fans have to this band the movie I think this is very self-serving for the band, but I also think it is true that I mean I mean if I'm saying I'm out Today's more than new toward it, but I mean specifically this point which is that they go out of their way to say that a lot of families Have parents have given this band to their kids. Yeah, because of the crowds were so young There's a lot of kids there and he's like, you know, I think his nose kind of looking out at the crowd and seeing like all these like teens and 20 somethings. I mean, it's just so strange. I feel like the crowds weren't even that young when we were playing in the 90s and 2000s So yeah, now I have to go see them in 2027. I mean, we're going to like 7 Jo's I want to go to Glasgow. That's what I want. I've been to Scotland in 10 years. I'll come with you Yes, I'm gonna go to now. We're last got a can. Yeah, you guys You'll be right over there. Yes, it's shown. Yes, Glasgow is right out two days after my birthday so we can celebrate You have some other things you have to do in here. Like that's fine French skin care purchase. No, I have to go see Tracy. Let's but perform in death We spent time with in Venice with Tracy last year. It's true I feel like I could be on that list. Um, you think Tracy wants to go see Oasis. Yes, I know. I actually wonder Tracy What is your relationship to us? Let us know. I like the way. Um Yeah, we can just do a whole swing because once you're over there, you know Also, not to get back on my mean mean music biopic guy podium, which is where I live. Aren't you so fucking glad That they didn't try to make a biopic. I wouldn't rule it out in the future. Yeah, because this now has a happy ending Imagine Liam Gallagher is like a ray of light captured through a prism of a rainbow What person could they've tried? I mean, there's been little characters that have supposed to be Liam What movie do we watch were they were they portrayed it was a very bad film. Is the Alan McGee movie? Yes creation story Yeah, um also my favorite Alan McGee thought that I couldn't stop thinking about every time bonehead was on screen It's like when he first met Oasis and bonehead was already bald Which is why they called him bonehead and he goes can we not get him a hat? Any closing thoughts on this movie made about a million dollars, you know, I think it's a it's a for fans document for sure And it's a very British document for all people and well, well, there's a lot of that but there were young young people I think Oasis is so enduring for many reasons, but also it's like we don't make big rock bands like this anymore Yeah, one other thing that I really enjoyed about it was you get You get champagne supernova, you know, you get Wonderwall. You get don't look back in anger You know, you get and they did them they did them in the order that they were playing with the show Yeah, that's true. Oh, that's cool. Which is really cool. They also gave you like The master plan and some might say and talk tonight and we ask you know acquiesce like the acquiesce without see That was the thing we needed after the card of show I guess it was like the Oasis account just released the first 30 seconds of them playing acquiesce and I was like Fuck like how am I not going? How is I not there? Some of us were sitting at home and that's the other thing the band sounds so good Some of us were sitting at home on a random guy's live stream who live stream the entire Cardiff show. Oh really? And I was glued. That's right. He just and I was sitting there the whole just sitting at home watching it That's commitment from him and you He's a real one and I appreciate his service. I don't know if there's an elegant segue to practical magic - well I guess it's about aging. I guess it's about the 90s passing down these being back sisters brothers. That's right I mean in 1998 when practical magic came out the Oasis More or less the peak of their powers right things from the 90s that didn't age as well. Yeah for 200 What before we start with practical magic too. Let's talk about practical magic cuz okay confession time I've never seen the movie in so five years ago. Okay, and I don't know why I think I just missed it Perhaps it because it was a female centered story and I was 15 when it came out It also I don't think so. I love super natural stuff and horror and all that so and I love women love Sandy sure It wasn't a thing in the when it was released Yeah, yeah, it was not and it was not widely celebrated and so it has allegedly become this It was a big thing for me in high school like on the on like rent. Yeah, yeah, yeah, no But I've I've watched it every year since it. No kidding. Oh, yeah, it's like my fall Special treat like October rolls around I have like a deep relationship with the first movie interesting Okay, I'm so glad you're here. Yeah, it's well. I think okay. Look is it citizen Kane? No However, it is this like like I always think about like Nancy Myers houses and you know you talk about them Sure, yeah, this house in practical magic one is my Nancy that's like my perfect house. It's like so Basically the entire film is like sensory porn like it's so lived in it's so warm The like beautiful coastal environment. I think it was would be island. It's maybe filmed on You feel like you can feel the crisp of the fall air It feels like you just put a sweater on for the first time and you're about to have a hot mug of tea and read your book It just feel watching it feels like that. It just looks like it by a truck Also, so what do you know exactly? I'm a me even more impolite Notting and needing you yearned for that thing you could not sit here on September 14th as you guys know you've lived here long enough It will come in January. Yeah, so that's when winter starts. Well in November the best time in Los Angeles in my opinion But the other thing about this movie and again, it's a little clumsy But I feel like the the metaphor which this is important because I think when we talk about the sequel It's like who you ruined it, but like the metaphor of the curse which preclude which supposedly Procludes these women in this bloodline from having love and maintaining it is really like a metaphor about that you To have love you risk pain and you cannot avoid Risking vulnerability and pain just because it might be taken away from you and in the first movie It's actually quite unclear if the curse is even real. That's the whole point, you know like It's like that you you have to put your heart on the line and it's kind of a beautiful again It's simple, but it's like it's a lovely thing and also then what helps you when you do feel that pain Community sisterhood like literal like women coming together to like for midnight margaritas Midnight margaritas and like a broom circle or whatever and it's it's pretty beautiful You know like and then I don't know Are you big into which stuff? Yes, I love it. Yeah, I do herbalism right love this to cast a spell here in there I believe in man this is the other half of your California coming out. Well, I don't I don't have the woo woo. Yeah of it all okay Um, I Rewatched the first one I had definitely seen it at some point on VHS like a you know sleepover type thing But didn't stay with me and again. I'm not a witch person I found the first one very hard to follow from a plot point which I would explain But when you were yes, and I saw a practical magic two together We went to lunch then we went to a 1 p.m Friday afternoon screening. It was it was a beautiful Yeah, exactly um But you why didn't get a call Because you had tickets Yeah, I did already have tickets. I saw this with my wife But you said that it made a lot of sense does I don't really understand What's going on? There's some generational the original film the original film there are lots of different generations And we're doing some time shifting. You know where you go and Was spurned by the man who impregnated her. Yeah, and thus she attempted to cast a spell that binds her entire bloodline from ever you know Having the fate that she had because these men will die Who know again? Who knows if it works right? There are like yeah, there's a few holes like why are they still named Owens? Who knows? Do they have any boy children? We don't know. That's not important. Yeah Well, wait till it wait till the plot holes of practical magic. That's exactly what's important is that the star power and charisma of Nicole Kidman and Sandra Bullock in 1998 is unmatched. Yeah, you that's like that's what I want to talk to you guys about because I was like You couldn't even make this movie now because who would be in it? I don't I don't know who's a movie star anymore That they're like 31 years old you could yeah, you could you could it would be Sertra Ronan and Florence pew and I think they do great because that's not a moon. I don't know I think I think it's like the kind of movie I would like to see them make this is based on a novel Griffin done a directed the original okay um and You know having not seen the movie before I was a little bit bewildered by it But I also understood exactly what you just said, which is like this is a girl sleepover movie and that's a total That's a genre of film right and it's like a very important It's like sisterhood of the traveling pants as another one of those who is like you saw when you were 13 you watch it with your girlfriends You had a great time and it doesn't matter if it's like true Beverly Hills doesn't matter if the movie's like good boys have movies like this too But it is it's silly, but it is still funny. Yeah, it's charming and it can be meaningful to you and yeah, and it's more it's It's not Practical magic too. No, yeah, no, I don't I understood the appeal of the first movie. Um, I watched it with Hylene at home, yeah, and I was like I see it 44 This is maybe not exactly did me, but who doesn't like Sandra Bullock and Nicole Kidman, obviously. He didn't get away with great. Yeah, even Quinn is fine. Hot. He's not. He's not doing that much. Yeah. Yeah. Born decent. It's just fine. Diane Wiesen soccer chanting. They're great. They're great. Perfect. Young Evan Rachel would. Yes. Not returning in this film. Talk about that momentarily. I think it's an interesting artifact of its time. There are a great many 90s movies like this that we talk about on the show all the time. I can't think of a single time this movie has ever come out in almost 10 years. On the show. Yeah, because it's not one of my movies. And the other thing that you pointed out, like, is that it starts your quote unquote spooky season and your false. You don't like spooky. Well, you know, if I'm if I'm observing that it's by watching Gilmore Girls, you know, which is to me, it's the same. You nailed it. It's kind of the same feeling as Gilmore Girls, except with a supernatural element. Yes. And I think his like Gilmore Girls started right around the same time. You know, falls, leaves, tea, like, you know, women, you know, and that's that's about a mother and a daughter. But so, but it's kind of it's like Girl's Spooky season essentially and your spooky season goes in a different direction. I want to be ripped down. What's focus, focus is in this genre, even like a better movie and I love it, but which is a beastwick. You know, there's a whole. Yeah. I thought about an hour into this movie. I literally turn I lean and I was like, we have which is a beastwick at home. Like, I, you know, that's a much more interesting, it's more serious, it's a more serious movie. But you know, obviously the movie is beloved and much like something like the Devil Wars Prada, right for revival, right? A movie that people have a lot of a huge relationship to or is it or is it and I think they could have done it better. Well, this was was a cult favorite because it was not a box office success, but it was clearly a blockbuster homerun and I've been renting this movie for years and years watching it on cable. And so they revive it and it is based again on another novel by Alice Hoffman. So it's not as though they just rendered it from however, the other novel by Alice Hoffman was written way after the film, success, right, and you get this, yes, but you get the sense that that story was finished right, the completion of the book and the novel was supposed to be the end of something and then they sort of like, but what if this much like the Devil Wars Prada too? Right. So this new film, Sandra Bullock and Nicole Kinnon are back, Diane Wiesen, Stocker Channing are back, joining the cast as Sandra Bullock's characters, daughters are Joey King and Maisie Williams, Lee Pace is here and and Sheldon Arduane from Blue Beetle is here. Oh, right. And in this movie, right off the bat, we learn that Sally has been widowed again. I guess Aden Quinn's character has died at the beginning of the movie because of the curse, because of the curse. How long did he have? I didn't clock the dates or the same age, it looked like it was like a year or something. Okay. So because of this death, she hides her magical past from her daughters who then grow up to become a college student and a doctor, a men's student, okay, um, they may, yeah, she's like a resident, and then Joey King's character is in college, totally makes sense to me because Joey King's character is older than Maisie Williams is. We have to give him to all of that. This is actually very important to me. For an hour in the movie, I was like, what is happening? How does this make sense? So obviously, their Sandra Bullock's character, Sally is shielding her kids from this news, this information that their witches and that they have this power and that they're subject to this curse. And eventually, of course, Joey King's character has a boyfriend and she falls in love. That leads to him being imperiled after he's imperiled. She has to go save him, which leads to the sisters going off to try to save her. Yeah. Magic starts happening. Practical magic too. Sort of. There's an a furious fellow as there was in the first film who wants their powers. And then we learn a little bit more about the family curse. Practical magic devotee. I went in with such an open heart, and my heart was wide open. I was like, I'm ready to love this. I had a beautiful lunch with Amanda and I was like, got cozy in my seat and I tried. I was like, you know, one punch landed, another punch landed, I was like, no, no, keep your heart open. And then at some point I finally turned to Amanda and I was like, was this written by AI? And unfortunately some of the dialogue is so bad and so wooden and so not funny. I just, and again, then we can get into, you know, Amanda science corner of why none of these plot points make sense. Also, you're just other sciences really. Okay. Chronology and time. Yeah. Yeah. I'm like, and the great, you know, the mystic, the mystic. It's the same story. But no one's had any character growth. Nicole Kidman's character, Jillian, is just relegated to being like an appendage with a sidekick very much. She's the manic pixie dream girl. We don't learn anything about what she's been doing for that. She's been doing more centered in the original film, even though Sandra Bullock's character gets the kind of romantic storyline in the first film, it really feels like Nicole Kidman's like driving the action. Yeah. She drives the action. They're both kind of equally have like these concurrent plot lines like, but here she's just there to be like drunken silly and you get no information about what she's been doing for the past decade or so, because I'm like, hoeing apparently. And which, you know, that she's not having a line. Yeah. I'm not. She can't commit. So the curse negative. Yeah. That's fine. Go off, says. But Maisie Williams character, she's on screen for four minutes. I don't even know why she was in the film. I'm just, I was like, kind of flabbergast. Also, it felt like it was four hours long. I don't, I'm not trying to be negative, because I really wanted to love it. Sandra Bullock is still so charming and lovely, and I like was like, you're holding this movie on your back. And also sort of wasted. Can we just enter into the record that you did start crying at the end? I am emotionally. I didn't cry three times. Yeah. I did cry. I actually cried maybe one other time. Okay. A bad thing can still move me. I'm still, I'm still, my heart is open and I'm sensitive. Yeah. It does mean masters of the universe. And not to spoiler. Can we spoil yet? Not yet. Okay. Okay. Well, I'll say why I cried. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. The movie list thing who's like, I really, I should be shielded from practical magic to spoilers, but nevertheless. Yeah. What did you think? I felt nothing and I think I got some to-do lists done. I learned. Did you jump? No. I did turn to you three minutes in because I was still a little bit jet lagged and I was like, this could be real dangerous. And we were at a theater with the reclining seats and I was like, you know, you might have to explain it. But I didn't. I stayed awake. I would say that the absurd music cues kept me engaged. Okay. Well, listen, the, well, it wasn't quite agrees anatomy style cover of and so it goes because it wasn't breathy. It was more like a kind of, is that the one that made me laugh? Cabaret singer. Yeah. But no, it was the fade in to me cover that made me laugh. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. It was incredible. Bazaar. But like the, but like the torch song version of, and, and so it goes was quite a music. I, we got to, we had some Olivia Rodrigo, right? Sure. Yeah. I flew in that. Yes. Yeah. That's when I turned to, yeah, see, for my classic, I did the music. I just feel like they could have spent that budget on a better writer. Well, three people worked on this. And I didn't want it. I keep shaffered. I'm really an original. And Goldman. Excuse me. I have very accomplished writer. Yeah. I like to believe that he was overridden. Because I believe in him. My instinct is that Kelly Marcel is responsible for the final version of the screenplay. Kelly Marcel, best friend of Tom Hardy. Yeah. Of course. Author of the Venom screenplay. Yeah. She also wrote "Saving Mr. Banks." Yeah. That sounds, yeah. That's Gantz. Yeah. This is one of the worst movies of the year. I don't, you know, I, I, it's, I thought it was horrible. It's really hard for me. You guys, this is really painful for me. It was not good. And I, and I realized I'm not that, I'm not the prime director here for this film. No. And it was a difficult conversation with Eileen afterwards because she clearly was moved. I was in a mood. If the movie is two hours and ten minutes, I felt like it was nine hours. Four hours. It's four hours long. So here's the thing. I, I don't disagree with you. The, the ways. It's harmless, right? Well, yeah, it's harmless. It's harmless. And the ways in which it's bad are not interesting, but they are more to my interests than other bad movies we've seen this year, like, like, supergirl is one of the worst movies of the year. Like, I don't care about any of this and like, you know, and I, and I don't want to be looking at these things. I spent a lot of time marveling at, you know, various post-production choices in this movie. That's a polite way of putting it. Even take away the plot. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, everybody's got something different. They erased all of the warmth and charm of the visual of the first one. You couldn't even make it. How would you describe that? Well, the house they made of CGI, I guess. No, they didn't. They rebuilt it. They somehow made it look like CGI. Yeah, I mean, you know, I'm sure that the cinematography and these are two huge stars in their early 60s and the way that historically actresses are lit and shot when they're into this phase. And I will say this, Nicole Kidman and Sandra Bullock are beautiful, and they look extraordinary for their age, but they look extraordinary for any age. Yes. But there's some real, like Elizabeth Taylor in the 1970s stuff going on where it's like Vaseline on the lens where you're like, "What am I looking at a cloud?" Like the visual dynamics of the movie are horrible for that reason, I think. And clearly, like an inconsistent change is every time, right? Exactly. depending on like the scene or what they're applying in places, by the way, I just want to say like, let's keep looking into those filters for me. You know, like I'm not above it. Jack slapped that Vaseline all over the lens for me. But like that actually was something that I spend a lot of time and I was intellectually engaged with it in the way that I'm not intellectually engaged with like the backstory of Lobo or whatever his name is, you know, so that doesn't make it good. In fact, it is quite bad, but I was just kind of like, oh, okay, and now I'm going to spend some time thinking about this. The production designer is Tom Burton, but I misread it and thought it was Tim Burton for like, I was like having a stroke. I feel like we're a job from the team. Yeah, what a look to it. What a way better. And then I thought, but so then I, you know, I was kind of like googling under my, you know, bag trying to clarify the situation. That's how I found out there was an architectural digest feature where they did rebuild the sets. But in England. Yeah, then yes, yeah, not in would be Island. Yeah, and I were also talking about, because the first practical magic, they built the house and then tore it down. And we were kind of wondering about, so when you build an entire house, but just for a movie, like, do you have to build it to code? Or is it, you know, or do you have to then tear it down afterwards because it doesn't have like the right safety and plumbing or this working in there. Yeah, yeah. So it's a living house. Yeah, I don't know why they were why build it down. Why turn it, you know, tear it down. So they tore down after they shot in practical magic too. I think we're done after the first one. We've heard I don't know. It's 100% true. I'm not sure. It's not really. I'm that important. You know this film. But these are the things I'm thinking about while watching this bad movie. Well, I was thinking about was the casting. Well, sure. Yeah, listen, well, I don't have anything against Joey King and Antonio Williams. Daisy Williams. Sorry. Her name, her thing was, her name character name is Antonio Apologist. But I was like, okay, again, I was just thinking of like the star power of like you could have maybe tried to match that a bit. And they're lovely. They're, they're, you know, cute girls are good actresses. But I was like, oh, it would have been nice if it was just a little something a little more. I mean, I don't have a word for it. The movie is a little low rent, you know, it's not, it's just not really, it doesn't, it seems like a very cozy movie star vehicle for two two big stars who are reviving an older product. I mean, Suzanne Beer is the director, you know, Danish filmmaker who's made a lot of really well liked movies over the years has not made a ton of Hollywood movies. But she did direct bird box. And yeah, and obviously a huge, huge hit in 2018 for Sandra Bullock on Netflix. But not a good movie at all. And so obviously there's some trust there for Sandra Bullock bringing her in on this movie. But I just, I think, hold on, this is important. I need, I need you guys to help me understand this. And if you want to just hand wave it and say it's not a big deal, that's okay. But, you know, in the original film, which was made in 1998, Evan Rachel Wood and the other young actress are 10, 11, 12, the daughters. Yes, it was dramatically whispering about this throughout the film. So that film came out 28 years ago. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And, and the daughters in this film are 20 and 24. I think presumably the story was written. So did this movie take place in 2007? Yeah, because that's when the book was. They're also, they don't really have smart. Oh, no, they don't tell us that, right? They do, right? Because they're face timing. Yes, that's right. They're face timing from the, no, I think we're just, we're just supposed to, we're just supposed to, one of Nicole, I don't know how to just the one I brought. Just the one. I don't, I don't know how to, I just say this delicately by, I believe that we, the, the, the characters of the sisters are meant to be 20 years younger. Right. Then, then, then, which is, I think I can just find, I can accept intellectually, but is so distracting in the first 30 minutes of the movie. If you've just watched the original, because you're like, I know how long ago this movie was made. But it's, it would have been, I guess, like, what difference would it have made if the daughters were in their 30s? I don't think any difference. Maybe they fell in love for the first time in their 30s. I was expecting to see Evan Rachel Wood. Well, yeah, she wasn't asked. Yeah. So I heard, but I'm like, Evan Rachel, what is a talented actress? And she was in the original. It's, I guess, the generous thing to say is that it's hard. These parts are nothing parts. And so, and you have to be still supporting to Joey King is famous. She's a very successful actor. Sure. The, the, the, yeah, generous thing to say is that the younger the actresses are, the younger every actress seems. I get it. And I, and of course, they are entitled to make whatever movie they want. I just wanted to distracting. I was really confused by it. I really feel I would have, I would have swallowed anything if the writing was better because that's a good point. The charm of the first one is that Sandra Bullock is so funny. And Nicole Kidman is so funny. And they have these, they had pretty good dialogue. Like again, it's not citizen game, but it, the jokes land. They're funny. You know, this, there was like, did you notice that there was like so much stuttering that was played as comedy? It was just Sandra Bullock stuttering. Yes. I was like, is this funny? I don't, you know, and she did her best. She's funny. I love her. I would, I would lay down my life for Sandra Bullock. One of my favorite actresses of all time. And I was just like, you deserve to better. Well, yes, she doesn't have any comedy. There's, there's not a lot of comedy in this movie is the problem. They try. Well, but even, you know, it's, it's fairly grim. It's like the boyfriend, she's in a coma, and everybody's died. And we have to, you know, fly across the country to across the world. And then Leon do some spell. We pace. Yeah. Hot. Amazing. What movie are you in? We're in a different movie. What movie was he in? I don't know. I've, he was good, but it was just, yeah, I was like, I don't know what's these meant to be some candy for you guys. Sure. And you for the, for the concept. So they only give, they only give you quite literally half a second of Leapace doing lime in the coke. And he does a little shimmy and they caught away. And I was like, what, we're just having service through two hours and eight minutes of this film. And you're just giving me, you don't even get the hips. Don't go to both sides. You only get one half. It's a good answer too. Yeah. Electric. The whole movie came to life. It was the director's cut of Leapace doing the entire lime in the coke and a hip shimmy. I thought the guy that played the, the bad guy was actually quite good. I gotta say. Yeah. You know what? He had, he had a little to work with and he gave, he put his whole ass into it. And I thought it was good. I would say I struggled with his motivation. It was sure, not totally sure when he was trying to accomplish. Like I got it, but I don't think I got it. He wanted magic back. But so then this is the other thing. And this is a note that I have for both practical magic and practical magic too. Yeah. And that actor's name is Sully McLeod, by the way. That's the most British name of all time. There's no magic. No one is, no one's doing any magic. I mean, there's a, there's a gross CGI third act mess at the end, which is very similar to all Marvel movies. I was like, really? Hi, so this is what you did with us. You know, they removed the, the demon from Leapace when they first come. But like, they're not, first of all, there is no practical magic that, like, you don't see them living their life, like doing fun magic things in order to just make life seem better because they're, you know, it's, it's beautiful, but also they have magic. Like, they still use a blender for margaritas. Oh, can we talk about the product placement in this? Okay, so then the ninja. Yeah. So that product, honestly. Okay. We'll take your word for it. Yeah. Yeah, they didn't use American Airlines, prominently featured as the airline that gets them from wherever they are to not shot in an airport. Very clearly shot in like a janitor's closet with it with one sign that just had a American Airlines on it. And there was one more. What was it? Where we were just laughing at average or something or like a food. I can't totally remember. Here's the thing. You have to find your movie. I don't begrudge you. Again, always this movie. I've never seen so much of data in my life. Oh, good. Yeah, sure. I accept that in most. But also, I just, why do you need a blender to make a margarita if you're rich? Well, they did it with their hands. Well, sure, but they're just like, all they're doing is it turning it on. How would you do it? Explain it to us. Well, I think that you should be able to just mix it with I think you should, your magic should include the blade as a way. Otherwise, you should just be able to like, you know, yeah, and then a margarita. And then it's like shaken. There wasn't there wasn't a huge blender product that you could buy at the theater that was for a soda. And I was almost tempted at the AMC. Oh, that was the water bottle. How do you take your margarita? I like a spicy with a salt rim and classic or be like some mango, maybe some blood orange strawberry. No, what about you on the rocks at home stayed at 4 p.m. On weekend. Great. Not, not, not, not blended. Not ice. No, I don't like a frozen. I mean, it's fine, but it's sort of like the head rush to the intended head rush versus the frozen head rush ratio is off in a frozen margarita. Got me. Okay. Imagine setting your makeup then forgetting it's even theirs. Meet new grippy setting mist from Mavily New York. 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Now, Digger comes out in two weeks, and then we get Dune. - Do you know anyone casting that? - Digger? - Yeah. - I spoke to one person that tell you right who knew one person who'd seen it. - Okay. - Any word of mouth from that? - Yeah, there's that it was great. I mean, that's absolutely nothing. But that was a frequent topic of conversation in tell you right, was do you know anyone who's seen this movie? - And there was great debate over the weekend or this past week on whether or not it was a musical, and then variety came out and confirmed that it is not musical. - Yeah, no. As people online said, they would say that. - Guillermo Deltaro also said it was not a musical, and he has close friends with Inari too. - What's their case scenario if it is or isn't? - I really don't know at this point. If it's a musical, that's an absolute torpedo to your life. That's the worst thing that's ever happening. - But maybe it's so bad that it is actually what shapes it. - Yeah, I don't think it's any music. - Okay, I don't think so. - That's not my impression. You're excited about Digger? - Yeah. - Okay. - I like that kind of thing. - Okay. - How would you describe that? - Yeah, what is that kind of thing? - Like, Bizarro, like insane. - Okay. - The cat stuff was amusing to me in the trailer. - Here's, I have two theories on the practical magic too, underperforming, quote unquote. Okay, number one is I think that it was a cult classic and it's time, and it means a lot to Yassi, but it's not on the Devil Wars Prada 2 level of popularity. So just like the built-in style of the audience. - The first Prada was a huge hit when it came out. - Exactly, and it's like a four quadrant, everybody loves it. And then number two is a little bit of the Matt Bellany theory of the press tour taking over the box office receipts where Nicole and Sandra were everywhere and it was a delight and it was all over my Instagram. And I think it was this, the target audience of this movie was Instagram moms. I mean, let's see, the trailers were the cat and the hat, hext, the M. Night Shyamalan Nicky Sparks movie. - Yeah, I leaned over to him and then I was like, "Why are there so many children's movies being advertised, she's like his mom's coming to the show?" - And then a commercial for Hermes Lipstick. So, you know, it, but I do think that all the people that they hoped would go see this movie, just watched Sandra and Nicole being completely delightful for the past two or three weeks. - Yeah. - And we're like, okay, I'll catch it on streaming like I did the original. So. - Yeah. - Also, I think it came out too early. Not that it was. - I have a lot of thoughts about this. - Yeah, but I do feel like, I mean, it's an October film. - You're right. However, this Friday's Resident Evil comes out, which I think is the most anticipated horror movie of the year and it's gonna be September 18th and I think it's right on time. - I think it's gonna run shit for two or three weeks. - But they're trading. - Practical magic is trading on your nostalgia and love for Gilmore Girls Fall type situations. - Over and only. - Stick it in. - Also, moms are dealing with back to school, you know? Like, we just can't really. - What does that mean? - I don't know. It's a little too early. We're still getting back in the groove of things. I feel like. - Yes, for the time, you know? - Well, sure. - I am a single man of two animals and I did make it work, you guys. - Exactly. - I don't know. I was with many moms over the weekend at a school event and I would say in a group of seven women, six of them had seen this movie. So it reaches intended audience. I think maybe it's intended audience not as big as they would be. - Do you think that? - I mean, it's the only other mom I know that has seen this movie. - I'm really sorry for the pink pussy hat to come right onto my head right now. But do you think that it's at all possible that they just do not try as hard when they're making films for women? - No. - I think men get a movie like this every week. There's like tons of junky revived reboots stuff that comes out all the time for men. - And some of it is that they just. - I just said masters of the universe. - Yeah. - I mean, like we do this all the time. - Oh my God, how I'm so excited for Street Fighter. - I'm kidding. - And then the trailer, like knocked my socks off. - Oh, that's great. - I was sitting. It's so already just sitting with Bree and she's younger and I was like, "Guile!" I was like, "Honda!" "Yahonda!" And she was like, "How do you know every. " It was like, "I play this every day of my life." Do you know the ritual of naming some dudes? Are you familiar with that idea where the guys have to sit around in a basement, just naming old baseball players and there's a way to feel connected about what actually happened about their feelings? - It's also happening with the Cincinnati Reds on this podcast. - Yeah, Chris and I do it all the time. It's the most naming some dudes of video game trailers where it's just like, they're just showing you everything you remember specifically about the game and being like, "Don't you want this? "Do you want to have this exact experience? "Do you want to hear the Sonic Q from the game?" - Zen. - The movie movies. I was like, "Oh, let's go!" - They're all there, they're all there. Sorry, that was a diversion. - But a diversion. - That movie, I think, is operating in a similar fashion to this movie, which is hoping that if they jingled the keys of your youthful discretion, "Hey, Oasis, don't look back and I get it too." This all feeds back into my theory about millennials in power. That it's like, we waited a long ass time and there's enough decision-makers in their 40s who are like, "You know what matters? "My childhood." - Yeah. - And that's what a lot of this stuff is pushing towards. It's a lot of it, like, you know what I remember? 1998. How can I get 1988 on screen right now? - Did they make the craft? - They did remake the craft. - Not very successful. - Missed that one. - Another fall classic. - Can I just say one last thing about Oasis 'cause I feel remiss that I didn't mention it. - Of course. - The one of the best and most emotional parts was the Stone Rose's bit where it very cleverly showed their origins and what made them start a band and then because Gary Manny Moonfeld, may rest in peace, died during the tour and it was so emotional them dealing with that. And I weren't my shirt and I just realized I didn't even bring it up and I would be robust. If we didn't celebrate the Stone Rose's, I'm Gary Manny Moonfeld on this podcast. - Thank you for sharing that. - You're welcome. - Let's talk about Sandra Bullock. - Okay. - Sandra Bullock, indisputably, one of the 20 biggest movie stars in the last 30 years. - She's so good. - Is she one of the 10 biggest movie stars in the last 30 years? It's a conversation. And yet, as I pondered this episode and I thought about a Hall of Fame, I found it would be really hard for us to achieve the goal of the Hall of Fame. - Is this because so many of her films are women's interests? - No, it's because so many of them are not good. - Yeah. - And. - There's a misconjuniality, or rejected. - That's subjective. - Well, it's also the good one's ended. Misconjuniality is 2000. I'm looking right now and I think like-- - The Lake House. - What are your favorite 21st century Sandra Bullock movies? - I looked at your list and I'm gonna be so, keep it so real. With you, I've only seen one of these films. - Well, the list that I made is just films that she's made in the last 10 years. - Okay. - Or in the last eight years. She's made two, four, six movies. - Thank God. - Those six movies are Ocean's eight bird box, the unforgivable, the lost city, bullet train, and now practical magic too. Now, she's raising a family. She's got gobs of money. She can do whatever she wants. - She had a partner that was very ill and that she had to care for. She, I'm not trying to tell her how to live her life. She gave us speed. - I mean, that was while you were sleeping. - She gave us many movies that people really liked. - Okay, actually the proposal was good. - I don't care for the proposal, but many people do. - Big hit. - I joined it, it was Ryan Reynolds when he was still like in his Ryan Reynolds bag, you know? And she was great. - Listen, gravity is excellent. - Gravity is a key in 2013. I think it's kind of like her-- - The last. - Her second apex, right? Where she goes back to the absolute top of Hollywood. And in a way, you get the sense that she was kind of like, okay, like I did it. Like I absolutely scaled the mountain. Now I want to have a little bit of my life back, which is very understandable. But it's a dodgy filmography. And so. - It makes me super sure. - What's that? - Two weeks notice was good. - Two weeks notice is like a classic, 2002. Donald Trump, we're not a cameo at the end. Then it would be like, it would be romcom, Paul of Fame. Did we put it in the canon? I don't think we did. - I don't think we did. But I think that was, it's not being honest because it's really good. - Okay, sorry, I'm done with that. - What do you think? What do you, what do you, what do you, what do you, you said she's one of your favorites? What is it about her that you like so much? - I think I actually wanted to ask you guys since you're so knowledgeable about working actresses and movie stars and stuff. She just has like this, every woman quality, this girl next door, charm, humor, but also luminous, beautiful, oozing charisma. But you don't feel intimidated by her. She's, it's just like, she's such a package and I'm like, racking my brain to be like, who's a comp? Maybe Jennifer Warro, it's 'cause she's also does the, - Oh, a contemporary comp. - It contemporary comp. - Yeah, like, he's gonna try to be like, do they make, do they make this kind of actress anymore? - Honestly, if she's not on the level, but the best part and maybe only good part of one night only is Monica Barbaro and she has like super, super beautiful, but in like a very winning and like sort of relatable, not threatening sort of way. - Okay. - I haven't seen that side. - I've only seen her in the Bob Dylan movie. - But she was great. - Yeah, she's good in. So that's like the closest comp but Monica Barbaro has not, you know, I mean, she's been nominated for an Oscar. She's very good in what she's in, but not, not Sandy level yet. - Yeah. Although, I mean, there's somewhat similar in that they both were. I guess like a little bit later to launch, you know, Sandra Bullock was 30 when speed came out, which is obviously still very young. But she would, she's a senior, she had been an ARP in many films in Hollywood. She didn't a bunch. She wasn't like demolition man before that thing called love, like wrestling Ernest Hemingway. She'd been in movies before that. But it took her a little while to launch. I think Monica Barbara was like 3334 by the time she really got into top gun Maverick and and the Bob Dylan film. So I think that's a really good comparison. Yeah. And yeah, they have that very similar. Like hot, hot grunette also bring her home to mom quality that you could see. Not quite as funny though. Is she? Nobody's not. She's a great comedian. She's a great comedian and she's good physical comedy. She's really good with like verbal dexterity. She has instant chemistry with almost any opposite number in any film that she's in. It's apparently a pace. I thought they were fine. Listen, she was going through a lot, you know. And was he trying to steal her magic or not? That's true. And he did give her custard, you know. So that was sweet. He knew. And she. I always thought she had a little bit of trouble choosing filmmakers. Yeah. Like she was having good at choosing, you know, for example, I don't know if we get a close up. Yeah. Forces of nature. She went opposite Keanu. She went opposite Ben Affleck. She went opposite Bradley Cooper. She went opposite Nicole Kidman, she went opposite Chris O'Donnell. Like people who are like hot at the time, you know, what happened to Chris O'Donnell? He owns Peetana, right? He does. Yeah. Chris O'Donnell owns Peetana. Yeah. He's definitely on one of the CSI's or one. Oh my God. Good job. Chris O'Donnell. I love Peetana. And then he was an important figure in my use. I'm pretty sure Chris O'Donnell. Sorry. Yeah. You have a lot of sense memory. Okay. That's a good job. Good job. That's a major part of what he's up to. Okay. Sorry about this. I've always been very fond of murder by numbers, which I saw in theaters with my wife. Of course. I was Ryan Gosling very early on. Great. They had a thing together. Yeah. That was what you call it. Made December. Is that only when the man is. And say yes. Is what Chris O'Donnell was on just here. You know, I watch those. The Peetana. She appears in the Academy Award-winning film Crash. Sure. Which we all know and love. I don't want to talk about that film. I don't recognize that film. You know, this congeniality, one of the biggest hits of its time. Yeah. Yeah. She's been in a lot of mood. I feel like movies like Hope Floats and Two If By See. Like these movies were just a part of my childhood. A blind side. Well, she wanted Academy Award for the blind side. Yeah. And she's in a best picture winner, which is Crash. And so part of her legacy is a bit tarnished by the unbeloved quality of those movies. At least among movie freaks, right? Those are not unsignophiles. Those are not the most beloved movies. And so even though she's been in some cool stuff in movies, it's like, you know, Crash is hot garbage. Yeah. I'm not going to defend Crash here. Terrible. But she was also in gravity. You know, and gravity didn't win best picture that year, but it very well could have. And that movie is an incredible achievement that also rests entirely on her shoulders. In addition to the extraordinary technology that the choir has developed to make a movie. At the end. On the beach. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So just me at the end of every day. Sure. Just a weird career. A big, huge, successful career. And she's beloved. Do you think they just like wouldn't let her? No. No, but like so powerful. But be in like prestige. No. I think you do that. Yeah. Really? I think you can do it. I don't think she's I don't think she's interested in that, which is sort of what makes this an interesting. Right. Yeah. Challenge for us. Because on the one hand, you could say movies to her playbook for Sandra Bullock. She's done it all. She's good. Yeah. One best actress. Been in the best picture film. Right. She's in speed. You know, she's in while you were sleeping two weeks notice practical magic. All these beloved movies that are going to live for 30, 40, 50 years. On the other hand. It's kind of a weird filmography for somebody who's so talented and powerful. And. So I found it a little bit challenging to think about it. But how do you think about her career at this point? I have been thinking a lot about her and this exercise that we're about to do in terms of Julia Roberts, who is a similarly beloved star from a similar generation who in the last 10 to 15 years has not been working as much. And has been, you know, spotty and has done like really interesting things and worked with him. S mail and ticket to paradise was like a moderate hit. But, you know, like long breaks. And I remember when we did do the Julia Roberts Hall of Fame that. I think I fought for Ben as back because I think she's quite good in that movie that nobody saw. Right. But the the last movie before that was like 2008, 2010 that there's like a just a big chunk where. Same thing, raising a family. Yeah. And also, you know, you get to a certain age in Hollywood and they're just the types of movies they make and the different types of roles. So I think that it is a little bit. You know, Julia Roberts probably picks better directors than Sandra. I think her taste is way more interesting. Yeah, it is. But, but it's also spotty and you especially like you look in the 90s and some of the things she tries that just absolutely didn't work out. But I just think Ben is back Luca and Sam is just way more interesting to me than whatever it is. Sandra Bullock's been doing totally, totally, but but that they're also in a in a slightly similar spot. And, you know, to you're in Yassie's conversation. It seems like Sandra Bullock is not really interested in doing like the Lucas and the and the sams males and more experimental stuff. She wants to be more, you know, broad broad strokes, but I don't know if that's really serving her given like the types of broad strokes. Like the types of broad strokes movies that are being made being made in this day and age. I that was something that I thought about a little bit of which is like her vision of her stardom is a little bit lapsed. You know, like the kinds of movies that you that you should center her in that are $50, $70, $500,000,000 movies. Maybe don't work as well as they used to as evidence by the practical magic to kind of underperforming. They barely even make them, right? Well, you guys talk a lot about how they don't really make romantic comedies to that scale anymore. Yeah, really her superpower is like smart, well done romantic comedies and we just don't have those anymore. Yeah. So we don't spend money on them anymore. So she's 62. Yes. So the lead in a smart, well done romantic comedy, unless it's, you know, we can do it. We can't do it. We can't do it. Like something's going to get. Like all of that. Yes. Yeah, or about how there's some like just because you're an older woman or older man doesn't mean there can be a story. And it might be $500,000 blockbuster. Yeah. But I think that speaks to what. Maybe what kinds of movies we would want to see her make cast Sandra Bullock and X menu cowards. Who would she be an X-men? Oh, brother. Are you you're an X-men person? Did you tell? Yeah, you tell me about this. I got. Great. All right. Reading the comments. Can I make one to go to X-men school at some point? We can say. I can do it for you. You know, I love it. And Professor Xavier's Charles Xavier School for Gifted Mutants. Yeah, I mean, I think you would actually really love it once you think of it. Thank you so much. It's myth. It's great. No, I'm just saying all of that. I think you'd like to. It's also like see by the bell. It's like it. It's like teens learning how to hang out with each other. No, I. I understand all of that. I just met before the X-men movies come out. Like maybe I do boot camp and I like learn about that. I'll give you all the Chris Claremont stuff. Okay. You'll love it. But I was like, can we build an episode around it? You should just watch the X-men animated series of your son. No, you're right. That is the. Yeah. Like the X-men series and then X-men 97 are legitimately great. Yeah. You know, I mean a huge fan of this too. No, everyone is. It's not that I'm above it. I just am not. Like you just need to crack it. You need to crack it. You need to get it. You need to find a way. We have until May 20, 28th. The thing is is like there's a chance that they're going to get the X-men right with Marvel. And if they do, that's going to be like the center of movie culture for five years. And I'm right. That's right. I'm saying it right. It's going to be a huge thing. Well, I was just like, I was having someone's nostalgia for a while because I thought the first movie was really good. Yeah. When we were the Brian Singer movie. Yeah. And I'm like, I like to too. Can we go back to that? Like I'll be so happy. These are my friends. In theory, they can do better. Yeah. And they can do better. I was trying to rack my brain for hook issue. There's not an older female as far as I can tell character in the X-men. Yeah. Which maybe so something about X-men. Yeah. Well, it's about teenagers. Yeah. That's kind of the point. Yeah, I have a white queen. This weekend, I saw two adults dressed as Deadpool and Wolverine driving around Pasadena in like a red like buggy car. And that was me and CR. They did wave at noxes. So they were like noxes really like, hey. And they were. Yeah. It was Sean and pressing side car. What should we do? What should we do with Sandy? Okay. What do you want? Like, and now we're in charge of a career. Yeah. So we have a couple of prompts. Okay. So. One director she should work with. Yeah. Soderbergh. That's exactly why. Well, because it's so for me. Lynn Ramsey. Well, you could do it. Yeah. I mean, really good. I think that's a great suggestion. Yeah. Which she ever do that. I think is a reasonable question to ask. Um, I wrote Soderbergh for an obvious reason, which is like she was almost in a Soderberg movie. Yeah. That movie, Ocean's eight, should have been directed by Steven Soderbergh. Except. Right. Which again, is to Yasi's point of like sometimes for women, they just don't try as hard. That was one where I was like, oh, I guess you, you know, you're not going to let the real person directed. I will stand on Anne Hathaway Corner. Oh, in Ocean's eight. She's amazing. Yeah. Everything else in that movie is a little. I mean, it's not Keith Blanchett. And. Yeah, but all of those movies. I watched them till I die. I don't care. Even eight though. It's like Richard. Eight is kind of my day. It's fine. I like it. I mean, I still like. she could make another ice movie, make another ocean, have her show up in the prequel, I don't really care. But the Soderbergh in addition to that, you know, Julia Roberts is top of mind. So like, give her an air in Brockovich, or give her an out of sight, you know, like give her, he understands how to work with movie stars and ring out a different side of them. - Yep. - And it's like a change up, but also, you know, Steven Soderbergh has made a lot of broad budget, you know, broad, broadly appealing movies. - Yeah, and I think he could use one right now too. - Yeah. - But also, he knows how to shoot movies in 25 days. Not a huge time commitment, you know? The movie can come out in six months, you know, and you can say, and she has taken some chances. Like, I don't wanna run her down too much. Like, she tried to do our brand is crisis, for example, with the Gordon Green, which is based on a documentary, which I thought was a really interesting idea. And a movie that just like, if you made it 100 times, like it would have been better 98 times from the movie that they made. It just didn't totally click. - I wanna do something like out of left field, like Todd Salons. You know, like, or self-short. - He can't get a movie to be either right now. There's a whole story about that in New Yorker. - Alan Rickson, can you fund both my smoking cinema and also the Todd Salons, Sandra Bullock film, that I will write it? - I wanna fix it and fit in a Todd Salons film. - That's anyone can fit in a Todd Salons film. - Well, he's very good at refracting people. - That's what I'm saying. - Movie star, like, an algorithm. - I think she, I love the soda burger. I think it's great. It should be so perfect. But wouldn't it be cool, like, in the, like, third, fourth quarter of her career to see her just do something so wildly different? - Yeah, I was trying to think about, this is related to what genre should she do. But I was like, what if you just dropped her into a Robert Eiger's movie? Like, would that work? What if she pulled that off, you know? Could she do a Danish accent? - I think she needs to be. - You're not gonna let me fund those. - Yeah, exactly. - It's like, she, well, they are funny often, but I often wonder where the intention is, and I think she was being very funny enough for her too. You know, like, there is, the lighthouse is very funny. - It's true. - I think it's a very pitched up humor you'd probably have to do an accent. Just do a lot of accents, right? She's really, she's America's sweetheart. But just in terms of thinking about, like, how to get her out of her comfort zone, trying something with a director with a really strong idea of what they're doing that doesn't just let her rely on her, if you're in sandiness, totally. - Yeah. - Or like a, oh my God. - I mean, I'm going the other direction on Munchanra, which is like, again, and I'm just doing Aaron Brockovich here, but like a, like a traditional courtroom, like legal, you know, like a, be on the side of good. Basically, like, she was in a time to kill. - Sure. - So she, she has experience in that mold, but she was kind of playing the sideline, and that one, give her a mccanae part. - Yeah, maybe don't have her give that speech. - Now imagine their way, you know? - Oh, God. - Remember that? - Yeah. - See if you see that? - What do you think of a time to kill? - I haven't thought of it one time since then. - Really? I mean, I think it's pretty stirring. - Yeah. - Some issues. - Okay, it's good. - Yeah. - I like my name, that's her name. - Yes, I like my name, that's her name. - And I hope they burn in hell. - That's good. - Sam Jackson. - Sure. - Remember key for Sutherland? - I do remember my movie. - Yeah. - Joe Schumacher, filmmaker. - I mean, just naming stuff now. - Yeah. - So what's the premise of your courtroom drama with Sandy? - I mean, she's got to be exposing some sort of, like if it's not like environmental, you know, cancer causing whatever, as in Aaron Brockovich, then they were, I mean, probably that because of the different ways that the corporations, everything they get into, there's a chemical for everything. But, what are some other, who's, who's she eventually? - A legal partner or who's like opposing council? Who she's like very flurry with, but they never really, you know, they have some history. - Well, right. - Yeah. - Right. Steve Boshammy. - I was gonna be, go for Clooney. Again, bring it back. 'Cause Clooney could also use some of these, right? - They never really did the proper, yeah. - Yeah. - Yeah, I wrote Clooney down to, you know, Hank's is 70, but I do feel like her and Hank's have the same kind of movie stardom, which is that they are funny and charming and seem a little normal, but also larger than life, but can play very serious if they need to, but can play very light if they need to. He's a little bit more adventurous in terms of the kinds of parts that he's taking on the second half of his career, but I feel like they would be funny together. - Yes, I think so. But I have it for co-star. I have a different proposal. - Okay. - Timothy Chalamet and we do what made December, romantic comedy. - They could work. You could see them throwing heaters at each other. - You know who'd have to direct that. - Yeah. - It was a holy Narein, you know? - Yes. - Totally. - But it should, it, but it should be funny. Like it can be a little messed up too, but they should be able to, I would watch it. - Who would you wanna see Sandy opposite? - This is a long pause. - Yeah. - I know. I'm thinking about the kind of film that I wanna see at first and then I was like, who would fit in that film? Honestly, I think like a Jennifer Lawrence. I would love to see her in a film that's like a meta film about aging in Hollywood or something, something that's like not quite as like the comeback, not that funny, but something that's like kind of a heightened. - Like all about it. - Yeah. Like I think that could be really cool, but still funny. You know, like a comedic, but also it's like serious. - I don't know. - Okay. - It depends as Lynn Ramsey directing and I'm writing it, probably not okay at the end. - Okay. - All about Eve Remake with Sandra Bullock and Jennifer Lawrence is a lot. - Yeah. - So that's a title wave. I don't know if you can, you can't really remake all about Eve. That's one of the most perfect movies ever made, but honestly, let 'em try. - Yeah. - You know, that's not what I mean. - They don't have to remake. - They can come up with a new story. - Yeah, a new story. - A new spin, yeah, okay. That's pretty good. - We have social media now. There's a lot of other layers we could add on to this. - One sequel she should make. So she just made a sequel and didn't really totally work. Now, this could be any sequel, it could be a sequel to any franchise, but from her films, is there one movie you think she should try to revive right now? - You didn't say who you would want her to act to be an opposite. - I did, Thomas. - Oh yeah, you did. - I also think to your shadowing my point, there's a Glenn Powell movie being there too. - Yeah, for sure. - Or Robert Pattinson. - For sure. - Could be a movie. - You look a little cookie. - Well, so she. - Yeah. - You're awesome. - But I like the, like Pattinson could be doing Gosling, you know, 2000s Gosling also, which would be nice. The thing about Glenn Powell and Sandy is that they're both, you know, like the girl and guy next door. - Yeah. - So I want to put the magnet. - Yeah, you need like someone weird and someone. I love them both, but they kind of need to be paired with someone a little cookier, I think. - Okay. - That's just me. - One sequel, okay. - I mean, speaking of Murder by Numbers. - Oh wow. Are they in speaking terms, Ryan and Sammy? I don't, I don't know who Ryan Gosling is speaking to right now besides the Flintstones. - Yeah, gosh. I hope that's gonna be okay. I said while you were, while you were sleeping, and it's about-- - A follow-up? - Yeah, it's how while you were napping. - Sure. - And it's about a couple of 60-somethings. - Sure. - And one of the falls asleep was like that. - What happens when you have a relationship basically entirely on lies and fraud? - Yeah. - It's eyebrows, okay? - There goes her. - There goes Peter Gallagher. - Yeah. - Yeah. - But Peter Gallagher comes back. The whole gang comes back. - Oh, and so that is-- - I know what kids, their kids are sort of in stuff out. One of their kids goes into coma, you know? - A lot of coma's for one family. - Yeah. - Well, I don't think you could do coma again. - What do you want to do? You want it like frozen in a glacier? - I don't know. I mean, listen, they got away with it with while you were sleeping, but just ethically, it's one of the 90s ones that we just really can't reheat. It's pretty bad. - Okay, what do you mean by human? Or what are you supervising? - I already said murder by no means. - Oh, murder by no means. - That's right, you have a sequel. - I haven't even seen the first one, but let's say bird box. - They did do a sequel, but she's not in it. - She's not in it. - She's not in it. - 'Cause it's in bird box with her dying. - I don't know. - I don't know. - I don't know, see. - A world acclaimed 500 million watched bird box. I think it ends with her dying. - I just, like, we've had enough sequels. Let's make something new. - Let's read the last sentence of the synopsis from bird box. - Okay. - Although I did look, what if we-- - I don't know if she-- - We visit the lake house. - Malorie releases the birds and finally names the children, Tom, and Olympia, declaring that she is their mother. She also happily sees her obstetrician, Dr. Latham, is among the survivors. - Great. - Congrats. - I just-- - Congrats to Malorie. - What? - What? - Yeah. I think that's true. - Okay. - Also, I'll say it for real. - It's called bird box notes. - I'll say the lake house. - Oh, shh. - Because the lake house was a wonderful film and made no sentence, and there's no, of course you could make a sequel because there's no logic and no time and no understanding. - I'm going to read the last line of bird box Barcelona. - I'm still not satisfied. - Wow. Okay. I'm just going to read context of the last line of bird box Barcelona. - I feel that the army has captured one of the creatures and a seer, and are using the seer's blood to try and create an antibody. - Okay. - And there hasn't been a follow-up? - I don't think so. - Okay. That's upsetting. I, yeah. I don't know the proposal. I feel like this is the most obvious one. Or two weeks notice, maybe, and it's like, you're, she's like, - Well, I just mean to see you again. - Because Rhino's is so bankable. - Still. - Right. - Sort of. - But do people want to see him? - He not much money this movie made. - The proposal made so much money. - I thought you were gonna say-- - I thought you were gonna say-- - Do you know how much money-- - I thought you were gonna say-- - How much money-- - I thought you were gonna say-- - Does he-- - I don't know. - I'd say to you none. - Because-- - Does he still do-- Hasn't he sort of shifted into a different kind of role as an actor like Ryan Reynolds? - Yeah, I'm trying-- - He's playing Deadpool. - He's playing Deadpool, but like free guy. - But like, yeah, isn't he has any kind of-- - I don't know, maybe. - Do you know how much? - Corrupted over to action and men's interest welms or whatever. - Yeah. - And less or less. - Yeah, there's a slight touch of the atmosphere, but lovable when he's doing-- - Romantic comedy, guys. Maybe not there anymore. - He was in here. - That's right, he wasn't if, do you know about this? - Yeah. - I know. - Imaginary friend, directed by John. - Okay, I saw it, I loved it. - Okay. - I thought-- - That's great. (laughing) - I'm sorry. - I'm sorry. - What was it? - He was in spirited with Will Ferrell. - Oh, right. - On a holiday film. - Yeah. - Those are some recent movies that weren't action movies. - Okay. - But generally, you're right. But it feels like the kind of craven thing that he would do to make the proposal too, right? - All right, Reynolds. - All right. - He's doing okay. - Do you think Sandy's gonna do any of this stuff? - That we've proposed. - No, I don't. - I think she's listening. - I hope not. - She's like on vacation. - I hope she's like-- - She's kind of on vacation. - She worked very hard. - Yeah, she did. - And-- - She listened to her on Good Hang. - Yeah, delightful. - I mean, another co-star, Amy Polar. That would be delightful. - Well, they had wonderful-- - Yeah, they would be good. - Yeah. - Yeah, they were kind of auditioning for each other in that episode in an interesting way. - Kind of like an ensemble cast, comedy film, all our girls trip with like, you know, several other funny women. - All other girls trip. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Let's sequelize girls trip, make it all white women. They all go on a-- - Why do they all have to be white? - Well, 'cause Amy and Sandra are white. - There's three others lost. - Okay, well, this is going on. - Did you see Spa Weekend? - Quinta Brown. - I haven't seen Spa Weekend. - I haven't seen Spa Weekend either. Spa Weekend was sort of white women girls trip, but Spa Weekend, and they were doing a marketing thing where they invited you to a spa for the day. But I know, but I was out of town. - Which spa was it? - They didn't specify it honestly. - Yeah, I don't really know any spots. - I'm also not really a spa person. Are you-- - I love this spa. - Yeah, but I can't sit still. It's part of like that. I don't like being, you know, poked, you know. - I love it. If anyone out there is offering spa trips to Amanda, and she declines, I will happily pick up the spa account. - They keep the poke, you cover in your water and they tell you to like relax. You know, I did it for the last mask last week, where it's like, we recommend that you said to have fun. So it was like, you need to sit still and like take deep breaths while you do this. And I was like, you're not my boss. Like, you're not here. I'm gonna watch a Gene Hackman movie while I do this. - Okay. - It was just a light suggestion. (laughing) - You don't have to do anything. - Don't tell me what to do. - The face mask overlords tell you to do. - You're a spa girl. - I love a spa. Can't spend the whole day there. - Anyway, spa weekend didn't really hit. So it's nice if you're fortunate enough to participate in spa culture. That seems like a nice thing, right? - What do you like on the street begging for change? - No, I'm good with what you want to. - Of course. I'm not saying anything about myself. - The available to you. - Okay, I feel like we've done Jomins work here. This is a real like, I need the good movies to start coming out moment here. We're like, we're right on the press of this. It's almost gonna happen. - Yeah. - We're just, we're days away from resident evil, you know? And we get, we get prime time, we get some other stuff. Get digger. - Yeah, time digger. - Variety. - What's Variety about? I keep seeing the billboards back. - Well, we don't understand what it is. - I don't want to spoil it for myself. - But so it's. - For yourself. - Do you remember the trailer that we saw with Jake Gyllenhaal and the Phoebe Divener? And it was M. Night Shyamalan and Nicholas Parks? - Yeah, I'm excited for that. - Yeah. - So I think that is in the Variety zone. - Okay. - As I entertain it. - Variety is Josh Hartnett and Halfway and Dakota Johnson. - Oh, Josh Hartnett. - That's why I led with him. - Do you think the bear revived him? - I do actually think that was kind of sort of. - 'Cause he was kind of gone, brought him back that and then trap for those who know. - The bear revived who? - Josh Hartnett. - Oh, you just stopped listening to us? - No, there were many things that brought him back. - What else? - Oppenheimer. - Oh, that's right. - Yeah, I haven't seen Oppenheimer yet. - Forget about that. - What am I waiting for? - Oppenheimer to finish. - Yeah, thanks for asking. - Lawrence, come on. - Yay, you had a very tall. - He is tall. - You have to see him all this man at max fish being tall and hot. - What's next for you? - In life? - Well, whatever you want to promote. - Yeah, well, we're going to have in Indie Sleeze Month on Band Splain, my podcast. - Do you need to find Indie Sleeze? - Yeah, you know what I've actually come around. This is a spoiler for Indie Sleeze Month, but I was very anti the term. 'Cause obviously you a music writer, me a music writer, you a music participant, that didn't exist back then. - We didn't call it that. - However, there's no real shorthand for that scene and era. And it's not a bad one. I was like, okay, it was, it was Indie, but it was Indie music and it was kind of sleazy. And I was like, that's fine. - Yes. - The music, the scene. - The scene. - The scene. - Yeah. - And I do think Indie Sleeze is referring back to the scene. - The music was kind of like, high-minded. - The music was all over the place. It was like everything from like the rapture to the strokes to the AIS, the TV on the radio. It hit, you know, DFA was, but anyway. - So we're doing that, Sean and Amanda are both participating in Indie Sleeze month. So, you know, join us. And Chris Ryan, your favorite? - Yes. Actually, I don't know. - It won't be there. - I don't know what the rules are at the second more studio, but- - I don't believe you can. - Yeah. - Okay, great. Well, thank you, Yossi. - Thank you for having me. - Thanks for our producer, Jack Sanders, for his work on today's episode. Thanks to Lucas Kavanaugh for production support. Hey, Amanda, thank you. - You're so welcome, Sean. Thank you for thanking me. - You're welcome. - A week time for Zach Kregger's resident evil. I'll be there. Will you? See you then. (upbeat music)