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It's Fran from chicks in the office the weather is getting cooler and Abercrombie's fall drop has everything I need for the season the best selling a and F Sloan Taylor pant is a closet staple for me I'm always wearing it to work events happy hour anytime I want to be a bit more dressed up and the viral Dylan dress is easy one and done perfection but my fall uniform will always be denim pair with a Henley sweater a bra free top it's comfortable effortless it just never fails find your fall capsule at Abercrombie shop in the app online and in stores here we are it's the Brandon Walker college football show live from my basement where I want to be I'm on my own God bless everybody I was with before but I'm on my own here we are Brandon Walker calls for ball show episode one quicks kill the intro quicks to the intro I believe luki bluntman is the producer shout out to luki shout out the quicks for killing that intro it's a pretty good one here's the here's the run of show not no not the run of show here's this I'm here it's going to be the Brandon Walker college football show it's a solo show it's just me and only me and also Liam Blutman hello Liam I brand I'm so excited to be here I'm so happy for you and me as the host is showing so happy people people don't understand they're like hey Brandon we're going to get tired of here and you yeah no shit I get tired of hearing me but I got the number one ball watcher in the sport right there number one ball watcher is right there number one ball knower is right here what do you think of my set pretty good set right the set is fantastic what a great time to take advantage of the national and get some extra stuff yeah I spent a I spent a whole lot of money well bar stools been a whole lot of money so anyway before we get any further I do want to shout out Casey Smith been weather for seven years she allowed me and let me do this thank you very much Casey I appreciate that been wanting to do it for a couple of years just been wanting to try it on my own I'm gonna talk a lot of shit I'm gonna talk a lot of bullshit same shit I've always talked on an essay roughness it's the same channel but I will say if there's people visiting tonight that haven't watched please like please subscribe please share please tell your friends that there's a new show in town they don't have to watch the same boring bald headed motherfuckers they can watch somebody who lives this shit who knows what he's doing who knows what he's talking about it isn't scared to ruin a good up opportunity isn't scared to say something like that might offend some coaches or players or fans I'm not calling out anybody in particular I'm just saying I'm gonna say some shit and sometimes gonna be right sometimes gonna be wrong but I'm still gonna say the shit all right here's how the runner shows gonna go we've got that's a baseball I don't need it here we go we've got seven things I got seven things I want to say tonight that is seven things about the 2026 college football season and then we give you a chance we have voicemails we have I don't know look he said he's gonna pull out like eight nine ten whatever I think we got six hundred the number is three one two six eight five eighteen eighty nine file that away for later uh just in case because we're gonna be using it all season got a lot of plans all season and then at the end of the show I sat down with Josh pay now I've had a lot of people on my Twitter say why you sitting down with the enemy why you sitting down with him why you doing this why you doing he called you out it's just two guys talking ball and that's the whole fucking point it's just two guys talking ball and I wanted to talk ball with him I don't think he he's not as good at talking ball as I am but I'm trying to learn him and at the end of the show you will see he and I in a room for the very first time ever and that is the first interview we'll ever have now we're gonna be Monday through Monday and Thursday every Monday and Thursday throughout August when the season starts we'll add in the Saturday reaction show which should be the big one I do have the chat up right now so I can read you guys I got let's say hockey prophecy 226 or 926 I got the MFT and I got all these guys reading college football he says paint greater than greater than greater than suck my fucking dick anyway hello everyone Jim shul anyway the chat's up I like to interact with my chat I like to talk to my chat I like to let the chat go back and forth with me and you will always be there you're on my right Blutman Blutman there we go we've got Lukey Blutman on Blutman on the controls we got Liam Blutman on the on the FaceTime here so Liam but to do seven things you got the run of show you're gonna have a couple of opinions as well right of course also you have too much Blutman no I have the Blutman true I have the Blutman a lot of people anybody can have a Blutman I have been a white had a Blutman one time I have Blutman what all right man listen if anybody I started a rumor you're you're your dad dated Dana white that's a pretty good rumor to have start the show I won't watch a brown water call too much so start the show I know that's a Stanley Cup back there but it looks like a Mike Hing from the ceiling the Stanley Cup banner behind you all right chat you're there we'll have voicemails in a minute we're probably going to talk about 45 to maybe an hour before we get to the Josh Payton review which I believe is about 90 minutes long so buckle up all right I got seven things seven things to talk about thing number one Kurt Signetti Kurt Signetti is the best coach in the country Kurt Signetti is the defending national championship coach Kurt Signetti is also a troll who knows his audience Kurt Signetti went on big 10 media days last week and basically called out the SEC basically saying the big 10 is the best we pass excellence the SEC's a bunch of winding titty babies fine I have no problem with any of this I read it right now we don't run a height machine up here in the Midwest when we fall short we don't cry a river and wind and blame that's why we're the best and then Kurt Signetti went on to say you know what yada yada yada yada but that's basically what he said big 10 best SEC winding titty babies I want to break this down in three thoughts about this number one he's right the big 10 is currently the best conference it just is you went three straight national titles with three different teams now for Ohio State of one three straight titles on their own I don't think I believe that but Michigan won a national title that they cheated to get Ohio State won a national title and now Indiana won a national title with Oregon on deck to possibly win a national title this year if you do that you're the best league in the country I'm sorry it just happens that that's how it is secondly the SEC was on top long enough when they were on top they talk mad amounts of shit crazy shit all the time so we can't get mad when somebody else gets on top and they talk shit he is full of it in one regard Kurt Signetti says that you won't see any excuses coming from the big 10 when they lose bull fucking shit when Ohio State lost a couple years ago nothing but excuses when Michigan falls apart after an actual title nothing but excuses when Kurt Signetti himself lost Ohio State in Indiana or Notre Dame the first year nothing but excuses why because winning is the same everywhere whether it's the south or the north losing is the same everywhere whether it's the south or the north winning gets to get up on stage and boast and call out the losers losing means you're a cry baby bitch and right now the SEC is looking up the big 10 but don't get it twisted winning and losing haven't changed just the voices have changed they've changed addresses my third point about this is the most important I think we're closer to the beginning of big 10 dominance then we are the end of big 10 dominance here's what I mean they want three straight national titles I believe we're settling in for the long haul of the big 10 being on top of the sport unless the SEC makes some changes when you look back at the SEC's dominance was started with Florida in 2006 when they lost the game and they were able to get into the the the game against Ohio State and they killed them next year LSU wins with two losses wins the national title. But for those first couple of years, it was Florida on top, then it was LSU. And in 2008, 2009, here comes Alabama. The first couple of years of that SEC run, it was just a couple of elite teams at the very, very top. By three or four years in, what happened was the rest of the SEC responded to that dominance. Alabama goes and gets Sabin. Auburn spends all the money and gets Cam Newton. All these teams, Georgia ends up going down the road that ends up with Kirby Smart in 2016. All these teams got their shit together because the top was so strong. So what happened was a trickle down effect. All of a sudden, the rest of the SEC is strong as fuck right now. The big 10 is top heavy. You've got Indiana, Oregon, Ohio State at the top of it. I think what's going to happen is some of these other teams are going to wake up and that big 10 is going to be strong as fuck throughout the entire conference. It's been week at the bottom, but guess what? Michigan state's going to wake up and get their shit right. They're too good of a historic program tonight. Wisconsin's going to get their shit right. Eventually, Iowa's going to wise up and get a modern offense. Nebraska's probably getting their shit right at some point. Like I think the big 10 is about to go on a run that includes the entire conference, not just the ones at the top. And I hate, I hate saying it because I speak with Southern accent, but the truth is the truth. The SEC was on top for 20 years. I had no problem telling everybody about it. So I don't have a problem with the big 10 tell us about it. Liam thoughts. I completely agree. When you look at the big 10. That's why he's here. Yep. Yep. I'm here to play. Okay. The the meek roll on the whoob nonetheless. They kept making good higher after good higher after good higher. David bronze a great higher for Northwestern. You know, he's going to get things going. Eventually, you mentioned Michigan state, Paffits Gerald. You see a lot of Bob Chess and USC's going to get things right eventually. Mr. Consistent Matt Campbell. Thing number two. Thing number two is something that happened on the part of my take podcast last week. I don't know if you've ever seen part of my take. Very successful. Good guys over there. I especially like memes. So part of my take went to big 10 media days and they interviewed several coaches. They interviewed several media personalities. Interview Joel clap. Well, the top voices in college football and Joe clad had an opinion. And I would like to take his opinion and add a little bit to it. Let's see what Joel clad's opinion was on part my take last week. So let's break it down. Like how many teams right now do I think have like legitimate before seeing them because I think LSU could jump into this. But I think there are seven teams that I'm like, yeah, they could absolutely win the national championship. So you've got not an order. You've got Georgia, Texas. You've got Indiana, Oregon, Ohio State. You've got Notre Dame. You've got Miami. I think those are the seven. Again, no particular order. Those are the seven that I'm like, okay, those those teams can absolutely win a national championship. All right, stop. All right. You have Notre Dame ranks. So I don't want to hear big cap. Stop right there. He had seven teams and he is absolutely correct on all of them. Georgia, Texas. Yes, yes. Ohio State, Indiana, Oregon. Yes, yes, Notre Dame, Miami. Yes, yes, yes. All seven of those can win the national title. I would like to add one more. I think he's missing one. And it's a team I have never been that high on. It's a coach. I've never been that high on. But I think they belong. I think they have the recipe to belong in the national title conversation. And they can win the national championship this year. Blutman, who do you think that might be? I pretend for a second. You don't know who I'm about to say Texas tech with all that the way of money. I look at the way Indiana won last year. They had a Heisman trophy winning quarterback and they had very good receivers, very good running backs. But at the end of the day, they won the national title because their defense choked you out. They beat Ohio State because their defense choked them out. They took a high scoring offense, shut them down. They did that to play off to Alabama. They didn't play off to several teams. It was defense first and then you dominate the game defensively. And you give your offense long enough to use the playmakers and win the game. I think that fits one of these contenders this year. And that is the Oklahoma Sooners. And I have never been high on Brent Venables. I've never been high on the Oklahoma Sooners since he took over. But I look at this team. They sure do seem like they're built like a team that if you get in the playoff situation, I don't even go undefeated. But if they go 10 and 2 and get in the playoffs, a lot like Miami last year, Miami was 10 and 2. They get in the playoffs. Their defensive line started wrecking shit, started terrorizing quarterbacks. Same way with this team. They can't go undefeated. The schedule's tough. But if they go 10 and 2 and they get in a one game, a one-off scenario with people, that defense is going to be incredible. Plus you give Brent Venables a month to get ready for the playoff. Very good defensive coach. Mathieu for the first six weeks of the season last year was great. I don't think they're that explosive on the outside. And then they got satanian. Their running backs aren't what I would consider Oklahoma great. But do they have enough to get to the playoff and then let the defense absolutely wreck shit? I think they do. I would add Oklahoma to Clats list. His seven were perfect. I would add Oklahoma. I wouldn't add Ole Miss. I think you don't get better results with worst coaching. I wouldn't add Alabama. I just don't think they play a style of football that's going to work long term in the SEC. I wouldn't add Texas Tech. I just don't know you would have had to make the quarterback position. You've had it upgraded way more than they upgraded. So I like all those teams. All those teams are good. Oklahoma's the only one he didn't say that I would add to that national title conversation. Blum, what do you think? I kind of even find another team to add. Oklahoma, I think they did a great job adding wider sewers with Trell Harris and Parker Livingstone. Livingstone is going to make life from a tear even easier. I think you touched on perfectly though. They're running, but they don't have a star running back. That's tough. It's weird because I feel like Oklahoma, my whole life, had a star running back. And now for the last couple of years, they just haven't had that guy that scares the shit out of you. So it is what it is. I had Oklahoma to it. Dude sounds like he's dying. So I'm in or yeah, I'm aware of that. But you know what? Well, but seven, mostly at 10, yak it, yak it 12. The voice is doing what the voice can do, man. We're going to have to find out a way to regulate the voice as we go forward. But I'm doing what I can do. Hopefully, hopefully the voice holds up. It's a lot. It's a lot. It's not real work. I don't work for a living like I have used to have to, but the voice kind of kind of takes a beating sometimes, especially this time of year, but it'll get it'll get up to speed. We'll be fine. Thing number three, what we do in this sport, what people do is they like to look at a person's track record, a coach's track record, a team's track record, and they like to think that will be that team for the entirety of history. They like to look at a team and say they've never won, they'll never break through that coaches never won, he'll never break through. The problem is you have to ignore a lot of recent precedent. If you look this year at teams who have never won it and say, well, they can't win it, fold your arms. They can't win if they never won it. Ryan Day had never won it until he broke through and won it. He was going up against the Michigan Stonewall. He was, you know, not winning and then he won it. Kirby Smart couldn't be now a battle for years and years in years. Then he breaks through and he wins two of them. Indiana was the worst program in college football history. They break through last year. So the question guys, the guys who haven't won it, before the answer can't always be they're not going to win it. They never will. They don't have it in them. Here are the two guys I'm talking about. Sarkiesian at Texas Dan landing at Oregon. Those are the two guys I feel like are facing the biggest questions. Can they win in the playoffs? I know landing one two games in the playoffs last year. Did they really not really JMU and Texas Tech? Not really. And when they finally get blunt and when they get beaten out of the playoffs, they get blown out. They got blown out by Ohio State a couple of years ago. They got blown out by Indiana last year. And Texas Texas has been to the final four twice, but it just hasn't really. It feels like Sark should have won it by now, but I look at both these teams. They are loaded for 2026. Dan landing has the most loaded roster in the country. If he can't break through now, maybe we have that conversation later, but I think until further notice, this is the best team on paper. I think Dan landing can win the national title. I think Steve Sarkiesian can win the national title. And I hate when we just preemptively say never won it. Never will win it. Fold him arms. Shut up. I think those are the biggest question guys this year. I would add Marcus Freeman, but I think he's kind of still young enough in his coaching career. It hasn't really developed. The questions haven't developed around him as thick as they have. Dan landing and Steve Sarkiesians. Bloodman's thought. Bloodman's thoughts. History is meant to be re-ridden and answers. Our questions are meant to be answered. Bran Walker, people once told you you're never going to have kids. What did you do? What? What did you do? I have four questions to do. Exactly. Bran Walker answered all the questions. Why can't I land? Why can't Sark? Nobody ever said I wasn't going to have kids. Someone somewhere did. Who? You don't even know that. I haven't been around that long. I wasn't running around with you and Mississippi back in the day. By the way, we have five ads. We have five advertisements. Reason number one. We have five advertisements on this show because Brandon Walker equals dollar bills. That's what my mom tells me every single night. Fireblood. I agree. That was a firepoint by blood. I would agree. Fireblood. That was good stuff. in the chat every time I make a good point. That's what I want. W in the chat every time I make a good point. Let's see. Bowling branch. You like sheet slim. You like sheets. You like robes. You like sleeping comfortably. You like looking good while you do it. You like feeling good. I like all of these things. We have Bowling Branch. Have you noticed your sheet slipping off the corners lately or maybe your pillars just don't feel that supportive anymore? Most people actually keep their betting way longer than they should. It's slowly wears down and you don't realize how much it's affecting your sleep until you finally replace it. The truth is, most people think they need a new mattress, but the biggest difference usually comes from placing what touches you every night, not in my wife. That's why we upgraded our bed with Bowling Branch. 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All we heard while he was at Virginia Tech for a decade was he'll never beat Ohio State, he'll never beat Michigan, he never could quite get over that hump. But he was still very, very, very damn good for a decade. He was still very close to the top for a decade. He made the final four, two years ago when Drew Aller threw a stupid pick against our name or they would have played for a national title. And then last year the entire thing falls apart. The James Franklin go from being good to being shitty overnight or did Penn State just run out of patience with a guy who was good for a decade. I don't know the answer to that question. All I know is Virginia Tech has been a sleeping program for a while. And the second James Franklin came available, Virginia Tech woke the fuck up. And I like Virginia Tech being awake. I like Virginia Tech mattering. I like James Franklin being in a place that might appreciate him. I think he's a very, very, very good coach. I think at his best he's probably a top 15 coach in the country. And Virginia Tech is a team that's going to benefit from that next five years. And if you converse that with Matt Campbell's now at Penn State, I'll talk about them later. But that whole thing is interesting. Because if they don't go 11 and 1 or 10 and 2, 3 and the next 3, 4, 5 years, it's a failure. So I think, I think, I think, I think James Franklin is the most interesting coach in America for this year. Now I know there's Lane Kiffin out there, but a lot of his intrigue and a lot of his interest comes from Ken Twitter stuff and he's trying to be interesting. I know there's other coaches out there like Signeti, but he's on top of the mountain right now. He can't be the most intriguing guy if you're on top of the mountain. Thoughts about that Liam. You are once again correct. It's hard to say the two guys that are question guys are the most intriguing when you're all right talking about them so blatantly. Yeah, James Franklin, time to prove you're not a fraud brother. Take number five. We got seven takes and then we're getting to the the voicemail and then we'll do your interview, which I was paying just a minute. So is my voice going out? Yeah, yeah, who cares? You know why? You know why? Because I care, because I try because I was on web carrying Dave Portnoy's overrated ass this morning. I was carrying T-Bob, but you know T-Bob shits all the time and you know what nevermind. We'll talk about that. He's shitting all the time. Take number five and this is very specific to the fans that will watch the show and the fans that we have to make better in college football. I want to slow down. I want to take my time and I want to really go through what this means. Don't have a list list list. Yes, I said list. Here's what I mean about it. The other day we were on the yak. I don't know if you guys have ever seen it. We were on the yak. White boy Rick and Indiana fan comes in. Now a couple of years ago, the netty got to Indiana. They went 10 and 2 went to the playoff and I looked at it and I said bullshit. Fake team. Easy schedule. Gonna get blown out by Ohio state or Notre Dame whenever they play. That's what happened. And that's what I said. That's what I felt. That's what I believe. That's what I watched. Last year coming in the season, my take on Indiana was they will be a better football team but have a worse record because the schedule is tougher. They were a better football team but I was completely wrong on the other shit. I didn't I didn't know how good Mendoza was going to be and I didn't know how good seeing netty truly was. I didn't know that he was truly the best coach in the country or the best staff in the country. And they made me look like a fool by winning the national championship. But two years ago, I called him schedule wonders. Last year, I incorrectly said they might lose a couple more but as soon as I saw him go to Oregon, I said nope, nope, nope, nope, best team in the country. White boy Rick comes on the show and he goes, you're off the list now. I hated you a couple years ago. Now you're off the list. To which I say this? Guys, Cos football fans, you incredible bitches. Myself included. Stop having lists. Stop watching a guy who talks about football and if he says one inkling of an Iota of something negative about your school, immediately stomping your feet and saying, I hate this guy. This guy sucks. His mother's a whore. Stupid. It's stupid. We all have opinions about college football. I'm going to be right a lot. I'm going to be wrong a lot. I'm going to see somebody like Indiana, I'm going to say they're this. Turns out they're that. I come around and I say they're that. I'm not a savior when I say they're that. I'm not a terrible person when I say they're this. Stop having lists. That's how we end up with college football voices that say nothing. That's how we end up with college football voices that are scared of their own shadow. They're scared to go to media days that live to doubt coaches up and will never, ever, ever, ever, ever offend them. That's how we get stuck in a world with boring ass people in this stupid ass sport. Roll the fuck up. Sometimes I'm right. Sometimes I'm wrong. Every now and then I'm going to say something good about your team. Every now and then I'm going to say something bad about your team. Don't be a bitch. Don't be a bitch. That is my tech. And why boy Rick was being a bitch. It's like Oklahoma. I have said for the last couple of years, Brent Venables. I don't know that he's got it in him. Now this year I look at the team. I look at the schedule. I look at the roster. I'm like, no, wait a minute. Wait a minute. This team could be pretty good. So there will be Oklahoma fans coming out saying, I hated you last year. I thought you were an asshole. Now you're okay. You win a titty baby bitch. You're allowed to disagree with people. That is my take about that. Blum and I don't expect you to have a take about this. But what do you think about that? If we all have the same opinions, life would be pointless. I kind of want that pulled out. I like life would be pointless by Blutman. Want that on a t-shirt. All right. I want that. I want that. I want that on everything. Anyway, I got five ads to get through. So I got to do another one real quick. You know what the perk of doing this show is by the way? One of our salespeople came up to me today and she said, do you have the product? And I said, what? She said, well, you got to sell some Reese's. Do you have the product? And I said, no. And look how much product they gave me. Look how much Reese's I got. The peanut butter cups, the old school peanut butter cups. That's what I go for. If I'm riding down the road, I go the gas station. I get some. If I'm at the movie theater, I like to get some with my popcorn. I just love a Reese's peanut butter cup. I love them in every form. I know there's a lot of varieties out there. They got the PB&J. They got all kinds of varieties. And all of them are good. Go get Reese's wherever you shop. They're the official candy partner of Barstool Sports. But I like this bad boy right here. I like the old school Reese's peanut butter cup. It's delicious. I love it. Fantastic. Again, the official candy partner of Barstool Sports. I don't know where to put it. I don't. Okay. It probably should be going to display behind me, but I don't want to hide Joey McGuire's signed element. I don't want to hide my leech. I don't want to. I don't. I love Reese's. I'm going to put it right there because I'm probably going to eat some in a minute. Take number six. Two more takes. And then we've got voicemails. And then we'll get to my interview with which aspect. Schedule teams. A couple of years ago, by the way, I'm going to call Indiana one more time. But a couple of years ago, we had, since we got the 12 team playoff, what has developed in the 12 team playoff is we have probably one or two teams each year that got there solely because of their schedule not because of the merit of their team, not because how good they were, not because they had a chance to win the national title. They got there because their schedule was easy. And the over saturation of conferences, the conferences being so big allows teams to sneak in good schedules. A couple of years ago, Indiana played, I think nine big 10 teams and eight of them were in the back half of the conference. That's that's how bad it was. Last year, I think through 10 weeks, excuse me. I think through 10 weeks Texas A&M had played the bottom eight teams in the SEC, the bottom seven teams in the SEC. A&M was a schedule team last year. Indiana was a schedule team a couple years ago. Tennessee was a schedule team a couple years ago when they made the playoff got killed by Ohio State. SMU two years ago was a schedule team. None of these teams were going to have to win a national title. None of them were going to have to be in the playoff. But A&M had an easy ride last year, got to the playoff immediately couldn't score a touchdown, which brings me to this. Who is it this year? Who is it that is going to be there because of their schedule? I have one answer. I have one answer. It's not my amy easy schedule, but I think they'd be there anyway. That's how good they are. It's not Notre Dame. They have an easy schedule. I think they'd be there anyway because of how good they are. Have you guys seen Penn State schedule? Have you guys seen who Penn State plays? They brought over Iowa State's coaching staff. They brought over Iowa State's quarterback. They brought over all of Iowa State and they get to play nobody. They get to in November, you're going to look up and you're going to be like ten and two Penn State. God damn they're good. Are they? Are they or do they have a schedule where they miss Ohio State? They miss Oregon, they miss Indiana. They miss Iowa. They miss all these teams. They're tough as two games at Washington. I wrote it down. At Washington. Where the fuck is it? At Michigan, if you can call that a tough game and they got USC at home, they have three tough games out of 12 teams, 12 games, three tough games out of 12. I think we're going to look up. I think Penn State in November, December will be in a playoff spot and they will be there because of the schedule. The schedule teams still happen. That is my pick for a schedule team this year. Blutman, do you have a schedule team? Of course I have a schedule team and I have of course agree with Penn State who's plus 425 to make a playoff brand Walker. I need you to look at this team's schedule. I'm about to tell you who's plus 550 to make it to play off the Louisville Cardinals. You go and you look at that schedule and you tell me that ain't a schedule team when their two toughest games are over by September 19th. I also think they're live in that opener against Ole Miss Man in Nashville. Of course. First half with dogs. First game as the permanent head coach for Pete Golding. First game, I guess he was permanent head coach back then. But first game after an off season for Pete Golding. They're in a neutral side in Nashville. Nashville and Louisville. Sneaky close together. I think they're really live. I looked at them. It is tough starting with the top 10 team, top 15 team. But after that, I don't think they play Miami. I don't think they play Clemson. Is that correct? That's correct. Their second toughest game is SMU, which they have a whole. That's early and it's a home, right? Yes. That's their third game. Now, my thing is with Penn State, I call them a schedule team because I think with an average strength schedule, I don't know the Penn State this year would be good enough to go to play off. I think Louisville could sneak up and be good enough with an average schedule to go. You see the distinction I'm making? Yes, but are they good enough to win a playoff game? Do you think they are? I do not. Okay, I like that distinction too, because A&M got there last year bad schedule. Couldn't move the foot, but couldn't, couldn't score a touchdown. They could still be playing. They wouldn't have scored a touchdown. Tennessee has a schedule season a couple of years ago. They get to Ohio State. They take the shirts off, get absolutely embarrassed in front of national TV. So I get it. Okay, Louisville could get there based on their schedule, not be ready to win a playoff game. I like them. I like them. Take number seven. I have a bet. I have a bet that I would like for you guys to consider. Of course, it's on draft teams. The highest entropy is given out every single year. Here goes my voice. Here goes my voice. Three, two, one, one, two, three. What the heck is bothering me? Okay. Here's your bet. There's a player who I think is the best running back in the country, who is plus 10,000 to win the Heisman trophy. He is shrouded in mystery. He might not play. He might not play in September. He might not play in October. He might not play in November or he might play all 12 games. We don't know. He's been cleared medically, but he ain't practicing yet. So Ahmad Hardy at Missouri is the best running back in the country. I will not have any debate about this. He's the best running back. Kiwan Laci is good. Mark Fletcher is good. There are good running backs. This guy is the best one. And he's playing for a team who's going to need him to do everything. He's plus 10,000 because of the incident that happened in the all season. He gets shot. We don't know. We don't know if he's going to play. But my thing is when we get to November and December, if, if, if, if he had played, who's going to have a better story? Who's going to have a better story than Ahmad Hardy overcoming the odds? Who's going to have a better story of getting back on the field and being great? The Heisman is about football and it's about stories. And he will have the best one. Last year Jacob Rodriguez almost, almost got to the Heisman ceremony. I believe you finished fifth. Why? Great story. Good player. Great story. That's Ahmad Hardy this year. And $100 bet when you 10,000, it's worth a flyer. And I see some Florida fans. Excuse me for a second. I gotta drink some sweet tea. I see some Blue Jean shortwear and Florida fans saying Jayden Ball. No. Does it embarrass y'all to say that shit? Does it embarrass y'all to say Jayden Ball is the best. He's never been the best. He's not the best in Florida. You guys are just fucking embarrassing yourself. He's fine. He's a good player. The best running back in the country. Shut the fuck up. He's the best quarterback in the country. Bill and Napier still be there. Did you say you have a bet too? I, I did. I'm also just curious to play up on Mount Hardy here. How may wins you think Missou would need for him to be a Heisman? So he'd have to do it. He'd have to do it. The Travis Hunter way, right? He'd have to do it. Just to me, he doesn't have the story of playing both ways. Obviously, but he would have story, story, story, story, story. So you'd have to have a couple of top guys fall. I Jeremiah Smith can't quite have as good a year as you think Archimane can't break through. You have to have the lack of a clear winner. And then the story pushes him over the top. So at least eight, maybe. All right. All right. You know, I love him out hard. He gave him out last year. 201. What a ride. That was for a little bit. What kind of ride was it? It was fun for a bay. He got down what like plus 4,000 for a week or two. Do you have a better not? Yes, I do. I brought two. I'll go with one because the other one's just the quarterback of Louisville. And that's just based off schedule 65 to one Drew Mestemaker. Nobody's going to have more fun watching Oklahoma State than I am this year. They've got a young bright offensive mind at OC with Sean Brophy. They're just going to let this kid sling at all the time. Cab Hawkins can move the ball backfield to Mestemaker. Zesty for Mestee. That's what we all are. There are too many people on that. I think people are starting to get on the wave. Are too many people excited about Drew Mestemaker to come to this level and immediately dominate like that? Perhaps. I guess there's only one way to find out. Well, they're going to play the game there. Body armor. Body armor. It is about time for you to be able to go here because we're going to do voicemails in a second. 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So we got we got Ebo and Katie on the honey tea and lemon tea hunt. Yeah. Yeah. She makes me get lemon. Oh, it's a honey tea. It might be honey tea. It might not be be limiting, might be hunting too. Good. And now we reached a point in the show where I don't have to talk as much. I'll be able to say my voice, because you idiots are going to talk. And I see you, Chad. I see you. I'm going to get to you, Chad, and a little bit. Cole Baker says, "BFW, how dare you say ball isn't the best running back in the country." Well, shave your pussy, Cole. You little bitch. Sorry. Sorry. I'm not going to sit here and hold your hand and say all of your players and coaches are the best in the country. New guys are the best. Yay, team! Go down the fucking road for that, all right? I'm going to tell you the fucking truth. All right, 3-1-2, 6-8-5, 18-89, 3-1-2, 6-8-5, 18-89, you now have a chance. I don't know how many Loki pulled out, by the way, Loki, can I just say something? You're doing a pretty good job so far. The one thing I was nervous about was you being terrible. I don't think you're terrible. I think you're doing good. So shout out to Loki Blutman, shout out to Liam Blutman. If you want to, 6-8-5, 18-89, Loki, if you're ready, give me a voice mail number one. Hello, Brandon. This is your mama. I just want to call and say congratulations on your show. I hope it does really well. And by the way, roll tied. I didn't like that at all. I did not like that at all. I don't know if you guys remember that, but my mom is an Alabama fan. My grandmother, she lived in Decatur, Alabama when I was growing up. I went to Point Mallard and every Christmas, my grandmother, Bobby Jean Valentine, would buy me a brand new Alabama sweatshirt and every Christmas, up until I was 9 years old. I would put it on and I would wear it around. And then at about 9 or 10 years old, I looked around at Alabama fans and said, fuck this. I'm not choosing a life of winning 19 national titles. Give me pain. Give me heartache. Give me heartbreak. There you go. Give me that. Speaking of my mom calls and then my wife brought me, brought me love, here's some throat coat tea. I love you. You're doing great. So I do have a wife. I have my own honey tea right here. So shout out mama, whatever, roll time, you can do whatever you want to do. Voice mail number two. Hey Brandon, you know, I think you do a really good job at what you do. I was born and start full, now I'm an Ole Miss fan, went to school so I don't miss after high school and you know, I do appreciate some of the stuff you do and sometimes you make me laugh. But overall, I just want to say, fuck you. I don't really know who's in charge of picking the voice mails. You have picked my mother and now some sort of Ole Miss fan who is no doubt down at the Casi Esco Country Club in the Tallah County, bragging to his over mortgage friends that he totally got Brandon Walker. You should have seen it, y'all. Fuck you and good luck. It's over. Wayne's gone. It's over. You know, it's over. I know it's over. It's over. T-D-U. Voice mail number three. Listen here Brandon, fucking Walker. This is a gangcock fan and I do not appreciate the way that you slander us 24/7. Mississippi State fucking sucks. We're going to kick you all vast, week three, week four, week five, whenever the fucking is, Brandon Walker. You keep Shane Beamer's name, out of your mouth. I saw you're in big T's, little funny videos, 'cause there's talk whenever you see it by the way it goes. Brandon Walker, you're on my shit list, buddy. Go Gamecocks, we're going to kick you all vast this year. The Norse sellers are going to be fucking nice and candid. He's going to be a first round pick, Dylan Stewart is going to be a first round pick, Nick Harbor might sneak into the first round, Shane Beamer kept all those guys together and look at her recruiting class better than yours. Better than yours, Brandon Walker. I don't know why you hate, I don't know why you hate, but I'd love to hear the fucking answer. I hate 'cause the whiny bitches like this guy, this lesbian calls in, this cock fan calls in. Brandon, you correctly told me that my coach was going to be terrible last year and you told me that we weren't going to win very many games, that we only won five, I'm such a bitch. Chuck the fuck up. Chuck the fuck up. Nobody wants to watch a national college football show with a South Carolina fan calling you and saying, "But what about us? What about you?" Voice mail number four. Brandon Walker, first of his name, King of the College Football Round, protector of the South of the day's board of Marshall Sports, the breaker of spreads, the father of hotcakes, the keeper of hypotheticals, the conqueror of the SEC, the true believer, the Mississippi State, the voice of college football gods, the one who goes ball on a protector of Rome. This is Chris calling for Madison, Wisconsin. What does Notre Dame have to do to reach all the expectations that have been put on it? It seems like it is championship or bust. However, in your undisputed opinion, what does Notre Dame have to do to meet expectations in the upcoming college football season? Thank you. Well, I mean, they got to go to the playoff and probably play for a national title. Number one, the quarterback has to be real. I think the quarterback's real. I think he's very good. But there's a chance. There's a chance. We fell in love with him because of what he did in the last ten games last year against the weakest schedule we've ever seen in the history of college football. There's a chance. I don't think it's true, but there's a chance CJ Carr is a little bit of a mirage. I'm going to go based on the fact I don't think he's a mirage. I think he's elite. And I don't really care that you lost two great running backs. You can lose running backs. Running backs are the most loosable thing you can have in college football. You got good weapons out there. You got a good quarterback. Maybe the best defense in the country. Probably the best player in the country and Leonard Moore. Like there's a lot, a lot, a lot, a lot of great to like about Notre Dame. But what do you have to do to live up to expectations? Well, it's a two or three game season for you. Don't go O and two this time. Last year you had a two game season. You went O and two last year. You missed the playoff and then you cried about it. I think you're winning, you're at least splitting those games this year. I think they're going to the playoff. I think they will live up to expectations. But you asked what we need to do to do it. You just got to win the games that matter. And unfortunately, you cowards don't really play that many games that matter. Number five. Brandon, this is Rich from New York. Congrats. Really excited for the new show. For my question, is the worst off season move in college football, Batman extending the bore for seven years at 87 million? If they go even eight and four of fans that want his head, they'll be impossible to fuck them. They'll turn in the floor to state, getting worse and worse. The wrong coach or donors are Texas M, A&M level rich, able to pay a huge buyout like Jimbo, where you saw us. Now how happy would you be if that happens? Oh, I'd be ecstatic of the Alabama 184. But here's the thing. Don't believe any of that shit you just said. Don't believe any of it because Alabama is not going to let a buyout get in the way of firing an eight and four coach. That buyout could be 300, because Jillian, but fill in a million dollar. Doesn't matter. Doesn't matter what the buyout is. If they go eight and four, Alabama fans will riot and they will find the money. Look what's happening in the LSU. Louisiana is out of money. The LSU football ain't the governor's holding parties as mentioned, say everybody come on over here and let's get a line back or let's get an offensive tackle. That's what they're saying. Extensions aren't real in the SEC. Expectations are real in the SEC. If he goes eight and four, it won't matter where they got to get the money. They will get the money. They can't fall behind and fuck around let Auburn be good in year one of goalish. Fuck around and let these teams around Alabama get really good. Let Lane go get crazy down to LSU this year. Game four gets the bore fired. I don't care if the buyout is every bit of money in Alabama. They will do it. So don't worry about that extension. Whew. By the way, I don't know who makes this product, but shout out, shout out what I don't, my wife might have just given me cocaine tea. I don't know. Who knows? Feel good. Throat's better. The throat coat. Look at that. My wife loves me. So anyway, I got an ad to do before I do a voicemail number. How many we got left? One or two. Don't nobody answer that. I'll just sit here. There's four left. There's four left. You said there were going to be seven. What? What do you mean two? Oh, because the mama thing. You had to put the mama thing in there. Yeah. Everybody loves bringing the mama. Yeah. Well, I was poor until I was fucking 40. So playing that on somebody, it wasn't my fault. She wants to save her old time. Meanwhile, the dog was babysitting me when I was fucking six. Okay, all right, no, whatever, whatever, whatever, it doesn't matter. NutriFull, if you see me, you see my incredible nice hair. You see these wavy locks, I'm 47 years old, but you think this is an accident? No, it's not an accident, NutriFull. If you're the guy, I need more. If you're the guy whose hair is a performing like it used to, the move isn't a hat, it's addressing the root calls. NutriFull works on the inside out and it's backed by real credentials. 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This show, again, Monday and Thursday, in August, we add Saturday live shows in September when the season comes. I will say, the way I'm recording this, I will be live on YouTube every time I do it, but I view it as a podcast you can wake up on Tuesdays or Fridays, fire it up on your way in, listen to an hour of college football. So check that out. I do want you to go to wherever you download your podcast or get your podcast or whatever, go subscribe to me there. And here on YouTube, we're here, we'll be live every single time we do this. So please, please, please, please subscribe. Voice mail, number, whatever. The Walker question for you, "How hot does Davos seek this year? Is there any scenario where he's gone mid-season?" The record does he get another, earns him another year, appreciate ya. I thought you loved your constant. Okay, and I appreciate you, but don't leave such long pauses in there because both time you paused, I thought I was going to have to answer you. But anyway, good. Thank you very much. I don't think there's a number, unless two and ten he's fired, three and nine maybe he gets fired, four and eight, five and seven, I don't know that you can ever fire Davos Swini and Clemson. I don't know that you can ever fire him because he is the reason those buildings still exist. He's the reason that football stadium still exists. He's the reason it mattered in the 21st century. He is the reason for all of it. He won two national titles. He beat Nick Sabin at the height of Nick Sabin. Nobody beat Nick Sabin at the height of Nick Sabin. Davos did it twice. He did it twice. I think he should be Clemson royalty until the day he dies. I think you just got to eat whatever he gives you for until the day he's ready to quit or goes into the ground. Davos made man, Clemson, you're Clemson. You are Clemson. You're stuck with Davos, sorry. That's just what it is. Now, voicemail number seven. Hey Brandon, first time long time since Patrick from Oklahoma City, I've got to take that nobody wants to admit and that's that the Oklahoma sooner joining SEC actually saved the SEC. Before you showed up, the conference was turning into a joke retirement community. Alabama's diners stopped stop this, but we don't know who the hell they are. Stop it. The second Oklahoma and Texas joined the SEC, the SEC stopped winning national titles. The second they lowered their standards and let Oklahoma into the SEC, the SEC's or and mistake went the fuck away. The SEC became big 12 east because they let Oklahoma in. Whatever you just said is the dumbest shit I've ever heard in my life. Let me hear the rest of it. Hey, Brad. Or the whole thing again. Or third of it. Hey, Brad, the hell they are, Florida, who knows what they're doing, Auburn firing a coach every year and Texas saying that was spending billions of dollars of oil money just to go seven and five or eight and four every year. Then the suitors show up and suddenly everyone remembers how to hate each other and I hate to give credit to the team down south for Texas joined. Now there's rivalries that matter without all you SEC media days would have been Nick Sabin's ghosts and Lane Kiffin doing whatever the hell Lane Kiffin's doing. I'll hang up and listen. Hey, Brad. Please hang up. Please hang up and please only listen from now on. This is the problem that I have with Oklahoma fans. They think if you're not talking about Oklahoma, you're not worth listening to, they only think in Oklahoma. I promise you, nobody in SEC country even remembers the day Oklahoma joined the league. It is the biggest non factor that has ever, non factored, ever. Now, I think they can be pretty good this year. I haven't picked them to possibly win the national title earlier. But Oklahoma, you got to understand you came from a place where you were everything and now you're the place where you are nothing. And I know being nothing kind of sucks, trust me. I know. But that's where you are. That's where you are. And until you become something again, you will always be nothing. And you are the nothing the SEC has to live with. Also I think that roster is loaded and they can win the national title this year. Please. Hey, Brandon. This is Dane from Ohio. I know you're a big Southern boy, I know you're all about that soft Eastern conference. But I figured I'd ask you since you are the number one college football personality. What are your thoughts on Coach Woodingham saying you can't hate the buck guys, like not even for one week? I mean, I do think he seems like a great man, great leader, but do you think he has what it takes to be the next head football coach at Michigan if you can't even have some hate in his heart for one singular week. Well, all I would do, all of the advice I would give to him, the advice I would give to the new Michigan coaches, just listen to one voicemail left by you because if he hears that whining as shit again, he will hate everything about Ohio State. He will want to do everything he can to beat the shit out of Ohio State because if I had to listen to that whining bullshit for one single solitary second, any longer, I was going to go to Ann Arbor. I was going to join up with Michigan, I was going to beat Ohio State. That shit was crybaby bullshit to the extreme. Jesus Christ, where are your nuts sacks? Where are your testicles? My God. Brandon, I know you're representing the soft Eastern Conference. You fat ugly fuck. Next voicemail, please. Hey, Brandon, first time no time because this show hasn't really existed yet and I'm calling in to an imaginary phone line that I don't even know where it goes or anything. But one simple question here today, how bad will Avery Johnson be this season? All right, we move. What the fuck was that? Look, when I said, let's do voicemails. I said, let all the calls for all fans call in. If they want to wine, good. If they want to do this, what should Ethan camps? What is the most work he has put in a day in his life in the last 13 years? He actually might email that call to big kids and say, look, boss, I'm doing it. We move. Do you have any more or was Ethan the last one? That was the last one. You're going to sit here and tell me your first day as producer. The last voicemail you gave me was from Ethan camps. I thought we would end on a high note. Speaking of end on a high note, ending on a high note, Bluetooth. This episode is sponsored by Bluetooth. Guys, what do women want and needs, stability, reliability? Be her rock with Bluetooth. They're sponsoring the podcast and sponsoring your bedroom performance. That's right with Bluetooth. You're not just having sex anymore. You're putting on a show. 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Chat, I'll turn to you for like two minutes, five minutes. If you ask a question in the chat, I will, I will answer it. Let's see JD84937, Port Norway is laughing. at this disgrace while BFW. And that's useful. That's useful information. I appreciate that. Thank you for telling me what port noise laughing. He pays me a lot of money. Thank you wife. I have my second round of what? Some lemon for taste. My second round of throat coat right here. Yeah, you did. Yeah. Yeah. You put lemon in there for taste. Yeah. Whoo. All right. Kansas football ever get good for a year or two. Never for a very long. I mean, it's Kansas football. It's a state that doesn't really care about football. State that doesn't produce that many players. So yeah, I think every now and then you'll have a good season. But no, not for the long run. Although, although, although any end of just one the fucking national title. So never say never. I guess Iowa State helmet goes hard. Yeah. I bought these. I got this one at Jim and Steve's. This was a gift from Dillingham and this was a gift from Joey McGuire for a web. That's another name helmet that I don't think it's supposed to have that face guard on it. I think it's supposed to just be a regular helmet. How about these at the national these penance? I don't know. I think it came together pretty good. Speaking of, if you ever want to send anything you can, I have a friend of the program. This right here. My name is Jason Sternberger at Texas A&M. Sent this in. This is Jason Sternberger's award for first team all SEC tight end in 2018. He said to start the new show. I'd like to send you a gift and he sent me his his 2018 first team all SEC trophy there. So thank you very much. That is that is always going to be displayed right there. So whatever I think that's pretty cool to have. Thanks, Jason. It seems like a good guy. Great player. Hell of a player. So shout out family. But family. So I'm trying to read the chats going very, very, very, very, very fast. I was trying to read some questions. But you guys are cooking. I don't know how many people are here. But can you see how many people are here? A lot. It seems like a lot because the chat's going so far. 8,000, 8,000 people watching me right now. My hometowns 8,000 people. My whole hometowns here. What was that noise? Have you considered if this gets the 200 K? Let me tell you something. Since I got to barstool, I've taken naked pictures with a bath tub of rose petals while a gay photographer straddled me. I have ingested things I never thought I'd ingest. I have dived it, dived, dived, dived. I have jumped into things. I never thought I'd jump into. I've done things. I've been naked on camera. I've worn thongs. I don't care. They can have me ride whatever for 200,000 views. As long as there's 200,000 the next time next next show, I will do it. I will do it. All right. I was going to do. I was going to do as many questions I can. The chat's going way too fast. I just chanced Summer All Winds at Florida. Pretty good. I think John Summer All's a good coach. I don't know that he wins this year. Although that first see, I only shocked that there's 6 and 0 come mid-October, but then it gets rough. Can LSU win the SEC? Yeah. Sure. Yeah. Why not? I don't think the quarterback's good enough, but I think the coach is. If you have the coach, he can work with the quarterback. Wow. Camario for Heisman. Thank you very much. Love and who wins the Mountain West. Oh, North Coast state. No. Yeah. Nathan Hayes is a baller. NDSU's a quarterback factory. You know, but it just won't matter. There's a quarterback out there that I'm very, very, very, very bullish on this year. Do you know who it is? No, I didn't know. You have some context clues here. Mountain West. Who do I like out in the Mountain West? Oh, you love you on the V. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Jackson Arnold. Jackson Arnold with Dan Mullin. If I was a quarterback, five star quarterback, and I failed, I would find Dan Mullin as fast as I possibly could. All right. So we're going to end this part of the show. I'm going to step out right now because here's what we got. I view this as just a chance to talk ball. I view myself as the number one ball talker in the world. There's other guys out there that do it. There's other guys out there that are very successful, even more successful than me. But this wasn't about that. This was I've seen this guy. We've bounced around. We've been, uh, we've DMed a while. We texted a while. I'm friends with the guy. And I've always wanted to just sit down and talk ball. His name is Josh Pate. And for the next hour, hour and a half, I don't know exactly how long it is before the rest of this show, the show will be this interview with Josh Pate. Thank you for watching. We'll be back on Thursday night. I appreciate it. Chat, you can have fun. The show doesn't end here. I'm just turning it over to the interview I did a couple of days ago. Here's my interview with Josh Pate. Thank you, Blutman. All right. Here we go. It's the first interview ever on the Brandon Walker College football show. And I said Brandon burger king is delicious. And by God, the people crave McDonald. Sometimes the people want a nice big Mac. They want some chicken McNuggets. They want a hot apple pie. And is it healthy? I don't know. Is it good for you? I don't know. Does he taste good? I don't know. All I'm saying is McDonald's, unfortunately. And I'm giving you credit because that is an incredible line that your McDonald's on Burger King. Josh Pate. Josh Pate right here. Josh Pate. Josh Pate is in the building. It's Brandon Walker. Josh Pate. First time in history. You've ever been in the same room together. Hello, Josh. Feels big, doesn't it? Feels like a big day for who? Well, at least for you. At the very least for you, this is a big day. Maybe for both of us. We'll see how the next 45 minutes to an hour and a half go. But I will say when I walked up to the building, you hugged me multiple people saw it. Pretty sure someone caught it on camera. And before words came out of your math, you physically embraced me. You know, like they did in the old country. What am I supposed to make of that? So we have, we've danced around each other for a long time. Me being a staunch, very successful college football media days for media guy for years and years and years and you being in the hot new flavor of the week for the last couple of days. When I saw you, I've known you for a while. So yeah, I was like, Hey, I'm going to welcome him into my kingdom, barstool, the house that Brandon Walker built. And you walked up and I said, Hey, man, come on in. Come on in. You're welcome. You didn't, you didn't appreciate that. No, I also said, I also said, Hey, it's my guy. Yeah, I appreciate it. You introduced me to other people out there. You know what I don't like? First of all, I can, I hug you whatever you're now. You're making fun of it and everything and that, that special moment's gone forever. But, uh, Ben, Ben, Ben, Ben, Ben, Ben's broke his leg. Ben, Ben, Ben, Ben's broke his leg three weeks ago and has not moved an inch since we can't get him to work. We can't get him. He, he has to be led to the bathroom to pee. People have to hold it for him. They got to wipe him. They got to do everything. We have to send a crane in to, to bathe him every night and he is useless. You show up. Ben, Ben's jumps out of his chair and he skips. He skips to you. Like, Oh my God, Josh paid. Yeah, the, we don't have to hold that. The boom alarm will hold it up. So I walked in and meant, meant to drug a peg leg all the way down the hallway yelling. Let's talk about peptides. We're going to talk to you about peptides. We'll talk later. Well, you can be Nashville for Ole Miss little bit. We'll talk later. Ben, Ben's sitting there. Oh, it's time to go. Hey, guys, dude. I don't know. And then Big T, Big T who, by the way, mortal enemy, I meant all of a sudden, Big T who hasn't moved in ages, he just sits back there by himself. He jumps up like, like, the Queen of England is in here, which is a big deal considering for a brief time. He thought Peyton Manning was coming in. I told him, he asked me who was, I told him out of special guest today. He said, who I went, Peyton. And he heard Peyton. And you know, Big T and a C guy, he used it for 30 minutes. He was like, Peyton Manning finally turns to me, he goes, you got Peyton Manning to come in here. I said, I got Josh Peyton. Pretty much just big, the Big T. Oh, we love each other. Yeah. Yeah. I have gotten on his ass before. Can I cuss around you? That's fine. Because I know that you don't cuss. You're a clean guy, right? I keep it, I keep it pretty clean. You're professional. Yeah. You're better than me. I want the kids to be welcome on my camp. Like, I want fathers to ride around the South, maybe the Midwest and the West too. Right. Specifically the South. Sure. And not be afraid to turn the volume up a little bit. Do you think dads are afraid of me? They shouldn't be. Maybe they're afraid of letting their children be exposed to you. You're saying I should be cleaner? No, I'm not going to tell you how to live your life. I've tried that before and you ignore me entirely. I don't tell you how to live your life. I've listened to you. I you've said things before and I've been like, hmm, that's about right. Yeah. And the guys clearly, clearly successful. So I'm going to listen to what he says. Are you nervous? No, I just don't speak well. You're tripping over words. I just don't speak well. You're a professional speaker. This is the first Brandon Walker call us football show. This is a big fucking deal. First interview. Now this is the first show. Oh, yeah. So I got a few questions for you. And before you ask these questions, this narrative that I copied you with a name, I had the Brandon Walker show before you had the Josh Payt show and then you bailed on it. It was part of an ideal with sling or whatever. If things are successful, you don't bail on it. So it crashes and burns and then you hop aboard with several people and I'm asking you why now? Why retread this thing now? Why would you? do you think something that failed in the past is going to succeed now? Well, first of all, it didn't fail. Uh, it's ceased to be. It's not like mind hunter where it was great, but they just can't make another season. This thing ceased to be for a reason. If I was physically capable, I'd beat the shit out of you right now. But I'm not. So here's the thing. 2022. We had the Brandon Walker College football show. I remember it's on Sleen. Then we stopped doing Sleen and we did YouTube, but it was not a whole lot behind it and everything. In 2023, we had the big move from New York to Chicago, like the cameras that you used for Sleen and the graphics you used for Sleen. They wouldn't transfer to YouTube. We were all coming out to Chicago. When we came out of Chicago, we launched mostly sports. And I was just, and I kept doing it on Instagram. Plus, I was with Casey Smith. We did that for seven years. I love Casey. We had a great, we had a great time together. But eventually, and do you want me to come out and say it in front of everybody? Is that what you want me to say? Why not? If it's true, say it. You want me to say it. Yeah. I, I see what you've done and what you've built. And I'm like, I want to get me some of that. See, you've got a bunch of notes over there. I've just got one. I did want you to address this quote. I'm jealous of paid end quote. That's not, that's not, first of all, that's taken way out of context. No, it's rich. Secondly, note that. No, that's what you wrote down. I said, I believe it was only last on this air roughness. I said, the reason I'm doing this, I see what guys, what you've built, you know, going out on your own and betting on yourself and everything. And I said, you know what brand of time to bet on yourself? You're a better college football guy than Josh Payt. You know what you're talking about. You're the best college football media person out of the country. Why don't you go build something? I'm jealous that paid has been able to build what he's built. That's what I said. But you're going to do it better. I, I plan to. Yes. How do you plan on measuring that? Well, it's probably not going to be about viewers. It's probably honestly, how good is my content? If you look past viewership, which I don't frankly care about, sure, let's get down to breast tax. What are the important metrics? What are the KPIs? Am I, am I putting, am I, am I leading with my passion? Am I leading, and am I, am I true to myself? And am I saying the opinions of the, you know, am I, I'm just brain and walker. I'm not special. I got this big break when I was 40 years old. But if I had never gotten the break and we're just sitting in Starkville, in Starkville's Walmart right now in line, I would be talking shit about SEC teams to the person in line behind. Can I use some advice? Yeah. Sometimes you listen to it. Sometimes you don't. Couple of sentences came out of your mouth there that I think should be the ethos for everything you do. Yeah. You said, I'm just brand and walker. I'm not special. Right. To me, if that was your north star, you'd be disappointed a lot less. You'd set yourself up for a lot more realistic goal set, realistic goal setting. I'm not against goal setting. And you should shoot for the moon. You're probably going to land among the stars is what I'm saying. So just, I'm just brand and walker. I'm that should be the name in this show. I'm just brand and walker. I wouldn't be calling it a retread. I wouldn't be calling a retread. No, you already did this. I did it for an ad company, for an ad buy. Now we're doing it for real and we're doing it out and we're doing it. We're putting everything behind. You're building your own set. I'm building my own set. Well, I'm having my own cell set built at my house. All right. Good catch. Let me ask you this. Was there a massive outcry when this show disappeared for it to come back? Yeah. There was. Yeah. I think every year, I get a lot of Brandon. We kind of wish you were on your own. Brandon and I'll just, I'll just say this. Casey, I was with for seven years. Tbob I was with for a year on that show. Big Abba's with for two or three years. You know, all these people. Yeah. Um, last year, we had four or five. Blutman, Blutman. Who's going to be with me in this one? Uh, last year. And this is something you've probably saw from the beginning and you knew to avoid it. I would start the show on a Saturday night. Passions are just pumping everything. Everything you've seen. You want to get out. You want to get your takes out. And I would say, welcome to a necessary reference. Boy, text a name look good against South Carolina day with that comeback. Casey, what do you think? Well, Casey speaks for 10 minutes and then Tbob speaks for 10 minutes and then big F speaks for 10 minutes. They're all they all have the right. But all of a sudden, we're 40 minutes in and I haven't gotten what's inside of me out. And if you don't, you, you, you know this, whether you have a million viewers or one viewer, if you don't get what's inside of here out, what the fuck's it matter? Yeah. And none of it matters. So that's kind of, I kind of just want to be able to go. You know what scared me? What scared me a long time ago when I was working in local, local news and we did a show. No one watched it 10 o'clock at night. I did it with a co-host. Now, me and the co-hosts got a long fine. Yeah. But I realized that there were a couple of days where you're not seeing eye to eye. There's just a couple of days where, man, don't love this energy. And then I thought to myself, you really want to see me, I'm talking about me specifically because I'm kind of introverted, like not a huge people person. Do I really want to let my fate rest in the hands of one or multiple other people that on the best of days, it's fine. I get along with, but on the worst of days and I realized really quick, I'm never going to thrive in that environment. So sick or swim, like I'm going to have to do it on my own. Yeah. And in the, in the business we're in, like if you and I were doing a show together and you hit it off to me first and I hit three great points. Well, that's three points that you, or they're off the board for you, right? And if it could, conversely, if I make three good points, there are only so many good points you're going to make in a given show. You talk about me specifically. Can you imagine if you had three bangers, for instance, the McDonald's Burger King comparison, and then I go on and I wrote for you and I just roll that off my tongue and you're looking at your piece of paper. There are three things written down and you already marked through one of them. I took your great point. Yeah, but, but Josh, let's be honest, we got, we got cameras here. If, if we had a scoreboard of great points throughout the season, I'm, I'm dog walking you. There's no way. I'm, I'm beating you by three touchdowns. No way you believe if we had a scoreboard of best points of great points, Brandon Walker's undefeated. 12 and 0 going to play off number one seat. Where's great news? So right now it's, I'm not going to tell people when we recorded this, but it's July. Yeah. It's late July early August. They're they're going to play a season. It's going to start in about a month. So why don't we just do it? You want to keep score? There. How do we determine what's a good point? What's not? I'll get Savannah to keep score. That'll be fine. And here's, here's, here's a sad part of the, the matter. If you got your wife keep score, you'd win. If you got my wife to keep score, you'd win. My wife's a former Mississippi resident. Although she tells me like the coastal Mississippi and the inland Mississippi. It's different. The coast is its own state. Yeah. There's six counties down there that kind of break off from her work. Coast is a wonderful place. I never knew about it until I only knew I 10. Like I driven I 10, which is not the coast even though it's close. And then she said, I'm actually from South of I 10, which I didn't think existed. Four distinct areas in Mississippi. There's North Mississippi. Yep. There's the Jackson area, all the all the, the metro around the area. There's a giant ride about that. But it's Jackson and surrounded by Madison, Richland, Brandon, a pearl. They're South Mississippi, which catches Hattiesburg all the way over to Nashville. World de Soda or Soso, Mississippi. That's right. Yeah. And then there's the coast. And I'm from North Mississippi. I'm from 15 minutes outside of Starkville. Have you been down there lately to Mississippi? Northern Mississippi. I've been, I was in Starkville for a month, about a, for a week, about a month ago. That ice storm we had in the winter. Yeah, devastated Northern Mississippi. Did it really? The tree damage everywhere. I'm, I've been here for three whole years and I've already adopted the Southerners can't handle a little ice. Ice storm's nasty, man. Yeah. I ran away from Nashville. So this thing's going to work out your dead set confident that you're going to outpoint me during the season. This is an example that I'm trying to explain to you about unrealistic expectations. But you do, you do, you do. That's fine. How often is this show going to air? So from, through August, Monday and Thursday, what are, are you Sunday Tuesday? What are you? Sunday Tuesday, Thursday. Sunday, Tuesday, Thursday. I'm going to go ahead ahead. I guess we will on Thursdays. Oh, what time? Sixth central. Time for you. I'm seven central. That's fine. Yeah. Just, you want to double team it? Nice and eat 45 minutes. Get out of there. You do 45? No, I'm telling you do it 45. Oh, you keep it me tight. Yeah. Yeah. If the, Luke, yeah, swear to God, if the first time we do a Thursday, you're like, rap, I'm going to burn the building to the ground. We're going to burn the whole building down. Um, we're going to get, I got a lot of points written down about this. This is it. And not even points is discussion. Is that cursive? I write in cursive. That's crazy. I didn't know that. Look how good I write. Let me see. Let me see. What kind of guy do you mind if I see your note? Yeah. Don't, don't gene read one, but don't read all of them. But does that say the Alabama thing? Yeah. Okay. I won't read anymore. We're going to read the Alabama thing. We're going to talk about the Alabama thing because you're way higher on Alabama than you have any right to be. No way higher on KELEN to board than you have any right. Oh, we'll go ahead. Yeah. So we do. We may be here three hours. That's fun. Are you guys anywhere to go? You're looking at. I'm closing on a house. You know what's happening in my personal life right now. I'm closing on a house as we speak. And even then I said, guys, I know this is my entire future. I hope to have children in this home. But I got to go meet with Brandon Walker. And it's not going to be on zoom. We're going to do it in person. No, it's irrelevant, completely irrelevant. I chose to be the bigger man to come up here. You've driven through Nashville taking a picture of the skyline and they continue to drive. I came here for you. I did that again a couple of weeks ago. I drove through the, you remember when Alan Jackson has last concert and it rained and it was raining? I took a, I didn't know what was in Nissan Stadium. So I took a picture of it and I started to text it to you and the bottom fell out. Yeah. And immediately I had to say, I can't be texting right now and just forgot to send it to you. But yeah, that's, that's, that's how I am. And one more demand you made. You did demand a home and home. I want a home and home. Okay. All right. But you're going to have to come to Nashville. I'm coming to Nashville. You think I'm, you think my southern ass ain't going to Nashville? No, I don't think you're stopping in Nashville to see anyone. You come through there all the time when I drive to the, to the beach. Yeah. As big of you by the way, driving all the way to Beach from here is no joke. No, it's not 15 hours. That is, when we storm chase in the spring, we wind up up here a lot. Like I wound up in Davenport, Iowa, wound up South Side of Chicago, wound up in South Bend. Three separate times I had to drive back to Nashville after chasing all day. That's seven hours, that's funny. 'Cause what you just said is you've been in Chicago multiple times and haven't texted me one time. On work. That's, is that work or fun? Your passion is your work. Storm chasing. Yeah. Anybody paying you for Storm chasing? People are paying the people I'm with. Hey, by the way, you just bookmarked that question a year from now or people paying me for Storm chasing. All right, by the way, Illinois was a hotbed this year, huh? The number one state of the country this year. Throwing tornadoes out, like it wasn't nothing to it. Effing ham? Yeah, oh, that's. Community, I know you're very familiar with. Yeah, this is your new home state. I love to eat effing ham. Man, we saw, we saw only F3 down there two months ago. Yeah, I think that was the white stock state tornado. Did you see that? White stock state in Deutsche, two of our guys? Yeah, they were on it. That was the same day. They chased it and had to stop because they came across some people that needed help. Um, one more bullshit thing before we get to football, because I do want to talk football. We can do all this funny patty cake or whatever. Some people do prefer Burger King to McDonald's. You know what the irony of that? They're a flamethrower. Whopper hits the spot. I'm not disagreeing with you. All right, you took it as an insult. I compare you to a multi-billion dollar restaurant chain. Oh, also, you sit in there as the bus and boys are like, where he's copying Josh Bate when they copied PMT for their whole life. It's crazy. You know that there's a rebuttal to that. Who's rebuttal? Well, first off, success leaves clues. Like anybody who does anything like those guys have done. Yeah, if you're going to do anything remotely in that genre, in that galaxy, they're going to be clues you pick up on. They're going to be like guidance that you take from it. So I guarantee you, if they look around, like I remember when I was growing up, my dad used to listen to Rush Limbaugh all the time. Rush Limbaugh is like this massive conservative radio voice that changed all of talk radio. I hear that, I was five years old. So I didn't know what I was listening to. I hear that dude reflected in radio today. It was 2026. You're right. Hey, when you're right, you're right. I give you credit. You never give me credit. I'm just, I'm living in Taylor's backyard right now. So I can't, I can't really, I can't say anything. I just, I just, I think they do a really good job. Those are friends of mine. Good chemistry with those guys. Great chemistry. Well, you know, chemistry. You know what they say about chemistry? Find it. I was hoping you knew. You want to talk football? Yes, let's do it. Do we have it, by the way? Do we have any ads or will we do the ads in the first part? Is this show sold yet? Oh yeah. Dude, is this show sold? There are companies. Oh my god. Pudding. Lining up. Pudding their wind in the sales. Lining up. That's the sale and there are companies putting their wind. Lining up and by the way, I don't want to tell you what's it. We're going to have to do something later for the sponsors. But hopefully you haven't had a blue chew today yet. It's going to get crazy up in here. Football. I do, when we talk about keeping score and everything, I do think there's been a take a couple of years ago we clashed about. You were vehemently wrong about. Really? Yeah. You were very anti-playoff expansion from four to 12. And whether you think it was right or wrong, one of your main points was if you are tired of Ohio State and Georgia winning every year, guess what? It's going to happen every single year from here on out because they're giving a second and third chance to win. And now in the second year of the expanded cultural playoff, Indiana won the damn thing. I think you were wrong about that. I was wrong with the way the sport evolved. Yeah. So like, when I made that argument and you're talking about anywhere from 2017, 18, 19, because there were rumors of it. Yeah. So I'm making that argument in the last vestiges of the last era. I didn't know, I didn't know, like, I think college football grew into the 12 team playoff being proper. When the playoff was conceptualized to go to 12, our landscape did not fit 12. There were not 12 viable teams that I thought merited playoff inclusion when the thing was invented. I think it's like dumb, stupid luck for the people who engineered that playoff that college football sort of morphed into a sport where now I look at it and I say 12's absolutely the right number. Yeah. So the sport morphed. I wasn't wrong because I want you to imagine this. Imagine NIO portal don't come along. Yeah. It's the same way it always was, but we got a 12 team playoff. Same teams acquiring the talent. So go back to 2015, 16, 17, 18. I want you to look at the 9th, 10th, 11th, 12th best teams in the country. And I want you to imagine that playoff product. So I think there are years, I think there are years where you could point to and be right. I think there are years you could point to and be wrong. I think like 2014, remember when Baylor and TCU got left at the door. There were also some very good teams outside of Baylor and TCU that were right outside the thing. I think there are years. But that's five and six. Yeah, but I think I'm asking you about 10, 11, 12. I think there are years you can go to five and six. I think there are years if it really matters if you have the lack of a strong one or two. And right now this thing has flattened where one and two are no longer way above everybody. Back in the old days, one and two were so strengthened and fortified by having five stars in their three deep that they could be it didn't matter who number five was. Number 12 was number 20, 21 was they were going to crush them because that's who they were. I do think the curve has been flattened. And now the Georgia Ohio States can't get to the point where they're unbeatable, untouchable, untiable. I agree. And that's where I think we are. Hold on. Hold on. Are you moving on? No, no, no, no, no, keep going. Well, because I want to say like me and me and Sart got into a little bit about this. This spring. Yeah, because obviously they're mad. They got left out. They were nine and three. They got left out. We pick up the name you dropped. Yeah, so we were hanging out. Yeah, and he thinks they should have gotten in last year. And his reasoning, just like Notre Dame fans, their reasoning is we could have theoretically won the national title if we got in. We theoretically have a caliber of roster that can win the national title. So if your playoff format is such that it's leaving any team out that could have won the national title, it's wrong. It's stupidest logic. It's the dumbest logic. I'm not saying all the people who say it are dumb. I'm saying there may be smart people trafficking in dumb logic. Because to me, if there's a team like Notre Dame that's a flawed but legitimate contender, if they get in and they just get left out, that just means it's the perfect size. I think it's healthy to have teams right on the periphery that could have wanted. I think it's healthy to be able to squeeze down and then you can have a couple over here left. Because if it fit perfectly, if you were like there, 12 teams can win this title. And 12 teams only, it's it's boring. Yeah, it's boring. You got to have 13, 14 and 15. Or two years ago, when it was Alabama, South Carolina and Ole Miss, clawing each other in the SEC there at the end. We're like, well, you have a better resume. We have a better resume and then none of them got in. By the way, that playoff allegedly engineered to benefit the SEC. The first three out are all SEC teams. Fascinating. Yeah, so we got that going on. I wanted to ask you. I just won that. You would count that as a win if I wasn't here to push back. Because you've been off for two years. Page trafficking is stupidity again. Here's what he said. What am I saying definitively wrong? You think it. You just don't have a vernacular. This is that advantage. I have a vernacular. Just because I talk as a common man, I'm not Mr. I'm going to speak down to everybody with my vernacular. I have acumen. I have acumen. I have acumen. You got acne. It's in the beard. I got two of them. That's a 1-0. That wasn't one nothing. That was me pointing out where you were wrong for a couple of years and you try to give excuses. But then me educating you how I became right. Speaking of why you're wrong. You're wrong because Indiana comes along and shocks the world because they do take advantage of the new world that you just mentioned. And there are certain teams that are absolutely taking advantage of that. Indiana, Texas, tech, Ole Miss. Which that story is going to be all about time this comes out. I do want to circle back and talk about suing players. Because I really got an issue with what's going on there. But I want to circle back. Because Indiana won the national title last year. Meaning coming in, as we said here, they are coming in as the defending national champion. They are one of the worst programs in history and now he's still on top of the sport. Is Kurt Signetti and his entrance into the top layer of college football. The most fascinating thing you can remember in the sport. It may be the greatest story we've ever had. It might be the greatest, maybe in sports, Josh. Because it cannot be, you can't be fathomed how bad Indiana was for years. And that's just how it was. That is just how it was. When they hired a coach, they were like, "You coming to Indiana, you win a bowl game, you're a hero." This guy walks in, says, "Google me." Says, "F Michigan, F.O. Ohio State." Says, "F everybody." And within two years, they're the national champs at Indiana. I think it's the most stunning story we will ever see in college football. And when he came in, he didn't even come in and go overspend on a bunch of current P4 talent. He didn't do what Lane just did. No, which there's no problem with that, but he didn't do that. No. He just said, "Oh, I got some guys at JMU, they're going to come with me." He mixed his guys in with the right guys. Yeah. And don't. One of the things I hate from college football fans right now, when we put stuff out, you shouldn't read the comments. I read the comments every time. And they're like, "Oh, it's not that impressive. He's playing with 24 and 25-year-olds." My answer to that is good for him. True. Good for him that he figured out the lane, he was going to have to figure out. Not everybody can be Ohio State, Texas, Georgia, and just stand in the five-star line and say, "Here, give me another, give me another, give me another." He figured out, you know what? I was 18 and 19-year-old, five-stars are incredible, but if I got a 23-year-old grown man who's hungry, that's a better mix when you're talking about a 53-man roster, 105-man roster, whatever it is. Well, I would ask this. Was he operating under rules different than everyone else was operating under? It was not. Did everyone else have the same opportunity to construct the same kind of roster, the first thing that he did? Bottom line is even after the roster was constructed. Sure. And we got to week one of the season. And right before Ohio State kicked off or right before Texas kicked off, I said, whoa, hold on, hold on, Ryan Day, Steve Sarkies and Dan Lanning, whoever. Would you guys like to trade your rosters within Indiana? They would have left. Not a one of them. There may be like one or two players that'd be interested in, but largely they would have left. So he just, he smoked everyone. He did. And which brings me to coming into this season, I don't know what to do with them. I look at Oregon. I look at the remarkable amount of talent on that roster. Look at Ohio State, the remarkable amount of talent. I think Texas is going to be held to deal with, but you still have to reason with that coach and that coaching staff in Bloomington with they've gone back to the quarterback store. They bought another one. And I say ball. I don't mean it in a bad way, but they went and got another quarterback. They're plugging him in. They're plugging in Mars. They're plugging in all these guys and then they still got a lot from that defense. I don't know what to do with them. Do I vote them number one? I, I generally don't believe in your number one until somebody beat you. Yeah. Well, you don't defend a national title either, but you just said that a little while ago. They are the defending national champ. They're not defending anything. Who's taking it away from him? It's not a title belt. Fine. Fine. You beat me on a technicality on that one. That's not to nothing, by the way. That's not to nothing. That's a simple technicality. That's the ref pauses, the match and he's like, you good? I'm like, yeah, I'm good. I'm good. He hit me in the nuts, but I'm fine. That's all that happened. Where was I? You're on tilt right now. I am. I saw a machine in the alarms going off. Where was I? You were about to say, what do I do with Indiana? Do I rank them number one just because they proved people like us wrong so many times last year? I certainly got many. Do you want the default to be? I'll believe in them until they fail. Where are you on Indiana? I was a last year. I was like, oh, and I was like, oh, and five picking against them last year. And then. You picked them to lose it or organize them? Yeah. I'm about to drop something and get ready to pick it up. Defensive coordinator Brian Haines and I. Oh, yeah. We were, hey, you know what? I'm just going to keep it. Oh, yeah. That's actually a good idea. Broiles Award. He said. Oh. Jesus. We're going to be sinking. I want to be drowning in names in a minute. You want the story? Go ahead, please. We're getting on the elevator. He said, SIG doesn't really group text. That's a whole lot. However, when you bravely, my word, not his through on the clown nose and admitted your fault for picking against Indiana so much, he sent the video to the entire staff. So I didn't think I'd be welcome up there. And then he let me come up there and they turned away a lot of media in the spring. And he let me come up there. And I said, Josh Hoover, he said, we got what we need there. We got what we needed on him. So I quarterback, not a question for me. He kept both of those coordinators, all of the elements and values and principles like all that stuff. Still there. Yeah. If you tell me like, I'm not even looking at Mendoza because I don't think it's a one for one backfill, but they'll be good enough at quarterback. They lost a lot of good defensive talent, but they also weren't scraping by last year. It's not a much of one possession games. No. They, they, they beat Oregon on the road by what 10 they won the big 10 championship game by three. And they have the Penn State game. That was about it. But I don't for Penn State games, the best game of the year last year to me, that they played the most important. I don't think people can understand how good the story is cause we're in the middle of the story. I hope people will eventually rely. I mean, like if you ever made a movie about a college football story, it has to be this one. He was sitting there. I mean, you could Wikipedia Kurt Signati's career, like you could see the timeline. But he was talking about his career starting and he starts it. I can't remember where he was. He was at like rice in 1983 or 1984. He's a pit. They got terrible teams and he's just walking me through the timeline and you get all the way to 2000. Yeah. He's a decade and a half in. He said, man, we got Philip Rivers at NC State in 2000 and he looked terrible in spring. We thought we were screwed. And then all of a sudden it just works out and even then. So he's a veteran in 2000 as a coach, he's a veteran and you're still a quarter century away from the point where he's going to go on to win his national title, which boggles my mind why people don't understand. The road hadn't even started really yet for him. People call Sark the dude who can't do it. People call like Dan landing. Yeah. They can't get it done. Kurt Signati at that similar point in his life, Kurt Signati is like mid 60s now. Lennings, what mid 40s or something like that? You're hitting on something that I've railed against. Every time you pick somebody to win a national title, pick a win a game or whatever, they're like, when's the last time Texas won a national title? When's the last time? Well, you know, when's the last time Ryan Day of winning a national title? Totally did it. Totally did it. When's the last time Kirby? The Kirby had done it before he did it. You don't break through until you break through. Yeah. And the only way you break through is to be that you can't make a putt unless you're on the green. And Dan landing or we're gonna own the green all the time, all these, uh, you're Sark, Sark's on the green. So people act like Sark and Texas have won nothing. They were in the final four and lost Ohio State. That was a one possession game with the ball in at the 20 yard line two years ago. And I just, I think people overreact to certain things and state, fall in love with narratives. I, nobody was more anti-Signati than me in that first year. I thought, what a, it's a good story that they're going to win 10 games. But what a flute. It's just hollow, easiest schedule I've ever seen. And the two times they played somebody they got destroyed. And then when he lost Ohio State 38 15 and the final time they got the ball, they were just trying to make it look better. I didn't like it. But I called him a coward. And I said, they play like cowards. And I still think there's some elements of that when it comes to their non-conference schedule going forward. But I said that the day they went to Oregon last year, I said, I said, there's no way this guy and this team could go on the road and beat Org. No way. And they thumped him. And not only thumped him, like had the pick six against Mendoza and Oregon had every excuse and right to win that game. And Indiana just stared him right in the face and said, not us, not us, didn't blink. And it was at that moment where I was like, oh, this guy, this guy is different. And then they just did what they did in the playoff and they're impressive. Now you, you read the Alabama thing, correct? I saw that on the paper, yeah. Yeah. So the Alabama thing is where you and I differ a lot as far as takes go. We ranked your top 10, for top whatever SEC coaches, you might have ranked all 16. I don't know. But you had to board second by moving to three, you know, on this. Go ahead. Yeah. Yeah. Continue. Continue. Good. First of all, we haven't even had, we agreed on all. I know where you're going. So it's only been one. What are you seeing that makes you think the board is the second best coach in the SEC? Better than somebody like Lane Kiffin who spent the last six years building something and winning at a place that just doesn't win. And the board walked into the SEC was handed the keys to a Ferrari and immediately turned it into a super route back and parked in the garage, but he didn't really inherit what you think you inherited. He did. No, he didn't. Just don't don't tell me what what Alabama fans tell me Alabama fans, yes, say, oh, he lost 25 players to the transfer portal. You know, who else does that? Every coach it ever gets hired anywhere difference, same, same year, a sign that he walked in and went to the playoff in Indiana his first year difference being, all right. This is where context matters. Sure. Du Boer. It's a very weird situation. He takes the job. It was in that portal window. It was past that window, so the window is closed. But the rule where if you get a new head coach, you can still hit the portal applies. So the exit door was all that existed. They couldn't take. You could only leave. So I actually thought it was a miracle. They kept the players. They kept, honestly, but they did lose a lot. They didn't have the opportunity to backfill in that particular cycle. The rules are different now. But just to give me backfill, Josh, because I'm not saying I'm saying they didn't have the opportunity. You're walking to a program that's been built by Sabin over. You can lose 20% of that program, it's still beat Vanderbilt. You can still be Florida State. Listen, and it's not the way they, it's not that they've lost these games. It's the way when they showed up after an offseason in Tallahassee last year and Florida State just thumbed them in the eye and spit on them and they didn't fight back. They just lay down in second half when Indiana's beaten them 38-3 and they don't fight back. They just lay down. I know the quarterback was hurting that one. When Alabama is not a lay down team, they are a walk out, you get off the bus, look you in the eye and kick your ass team and there's nothing to do about it. They have now become a lay down team and I don't think that's worthy of being the number two coach in the SEC. All right. Be very clear. What do one? What are you asking me? I don't even answer you yet. You've got, you've got to board. You've, did you pick Alabama to win something this year? I don't know. I haven't picked anything this year. Okay. The number two coach in the SEC above guys like Sark, above guys like Lane who have built things where they are. I don't get it and I don't understand it. I know he had that run at Washington, but that was at Washington and that's fading fast. Fair. All right. I listed the criteria. There was a three year rolling blend of everything from on-field results to relative talent acquisition and then when it came down to measuring them against Sark, I put Kirby above him, but when it came down to measuring him against Sark, they've had comparable recruiting classes. People don't actually believe that, but they have, but more importantly, he's got to head to head against them. Like in the three year rolling window that I use, he's got to head to head against Sark with a lesser roster, by the way. He beats Sark. So I'm not saying there's miles difference, but I like to think a lot of people are projecting where they think Alabama is about to go. That win was the Washington win in the playoff, correct? That's what we're doing. Yeah. Okay. That's his past three years. So they just came off a couple of top six recruiting classes. They're like people are saying, oh, but they've only got the number 40, whatever this year. Oh, they're only going to go eight and four this year. If that happens, I'll bake it in. I'm not predictive with that. Well, if that happens, they go eight and four this year, you're not going to have to worry about ranking them in your top SEC coaches next year because he won't be an SEC coach. You're crazy. If he goes eight and four, there's no way. You're saying, if Caledon to Borgo's eight and four, there's no chance Alabama moves on. They're not moving them. They're not moving. They're not moving. I think, that's insane. You're not insane. How insane is that? That's the total's eight and a half. No, no, you want to look. I'm going to make your argument. The state of Alabama cares about win totals. That's irrelevant to reality. No, no, no, no. That is reality. It is. It is. front world when it comes to football and everywhere else. You can't take over for saving to go eight and four in year three. You just can't do it. Here's what I'm saying now that we'll burn. Here's what I'm saying. I know that sounds good. Yeah. I know that looks good on the graphic. Sure. Bottom line is if they go eight and four this year, no one who actually has decision making power at Alabama is going to say, yeah, we'll pay 70 million dollars to move on from this. Oh, by the way, part B, who are we going to go get? All I'm saying is if Greg burn, who is the athletic director, right, if Greg burn is the decision maker and wants to be the decision maker next year and they go eight and four, the state of Alabama is going to force him to do something. The state of Alabama, I only care about the people who could fit the bill. Yeah, are those people going to demand that he moves on? I just don't think there's a world where the Alabama nation puts up with eight and four. I'm, look, I'm going to say something else. Okay, good. Eight and four while not up to the standard. And you could put a bunch of teams in this category. Eight and four is not a terrible year. Eight and four is not a disaster of a year. And there I know what standard you're talking about. You're talking about living in the rear view mirror standard, whatever, man. Like reality, I'd say this to Georgia, Georgia's less likely to go eight and four. But if they randomly get an eight and four thrown in there, it's not a disaster. It's just slightly like I think yesterday's 10 and two, yesterday's eight and four. It's not Nick Saber. So 10 and two, you're missing the four team playoff every time, though much, every time. And eight and four, eight and four is where you are for sure. Not going to the 12 team playoff. Nine and three, a lot of nine and threes are not getting in, but some nine and threes can get in. There's going to be a nine and three. And then this year with as tight as it looks in the SEC, like I can see a world where nine and three gets. Possibly, yeah, and, and so, so yeah, the eight and four is now the new 10 and two. I don't hate that. That's a pretty good take, but I just don't think Alabama is that fan base is mature enough to accept the new world where, oh, eight and four is actually pretty good. That's, it's just not reality in that state. And it won't be reality until they, until they get away from saving for a little while. It's still too fresh. What's going to be fresh for a, for a long time, then, like, I mean, bear was fresh for a decade. Yeah, it was, it was, I believe it was 10 years between bear dying and, and gene stalling is winning a national title. He wins one in like 92, yeah. Yeah, one of nine, but even then he had a, yeah, I get what you're saying. But what I'm saying is, do you agree with the logic of what I'm saying? 'Cause you're talking about fans and you're talking about like warped presents, that's the beautiful thing about the sport we cover. I, I, you, you sit down and you take a look at it logically. And I will come around and say in this world of college football in the state of Alabama, logic need not apply. It's just not a world where it really matters that much. You can sit and look at something logically. And then the passions of college football will sweep down, take that logic and just throw it to the side. Yeah, I will say this one to one, by the way. With sex with three or right now, let's go back to your eight and four. Let's say they're eight and three in the iron bowls of the fourth loss. Uh-huh. And goalish hangs an L on them in year one. Yeah, I think they play in Tuscaloosa this year. But they do know that that's the kind of end of year result where all the logic could get thrown out the window. You still got to come up with $70 million though. You know, we do and, and these Southern schools, man, you say you still got to come up $70 million. They'll do it in a heartbeat. They don't do it. If the governor's got to get about, they'll do it in a heartbeat. Look at what's happening on Louisiana. The governor is having balls in his mansion saying, Hey, hey, we got to get lane linebacker. It is a logic need not apply when it comes to these passionate SEC fan bases. I am cooking right now, Luki. I'm cooking like whoppers, blame, broiled, delicious, juicy whoppers. If you got me a Burger King sponsor, you don't understand the methodology. Dude, if you got, I've been working for you for the better part of the last, you have not. Yes, I have. You've been working against me. Have it your way. I got a lot, I got a lot here. I want to, I'm going to do it either over here, right, as we go into the season. And I know you haven't been, you haven't been doing your show. You're going to pick it back up soon, right? By the time that this hits their waves, I will have already cranked it back up. So you're probably used my show that is in the future as we speak to promote this appearance. I appreciate, well, I was trying to do it as a surprise though. How big a surprise is this going to be though? I'm going to dog walk you the entire first hour. I'm going to be live and I'm going to be like, hey, Josh Pate sucks. Don't listen to Josh Pate. And then at the end of the hour, I'm going to be like, here's my conversation with Josh Pate. Okay, that's a good surprise. Hoping it doesn't leak. Stuff's been leaking lately. Have you heard of my wife tell you? Yeah, I'm getting it looked at. It's, it's like the nine, nine and a half colorless, huh? It's colorless. So colors football. I've got several takes to just run through stock. I'm going to give you a, this is either or this year and this year alone. You can buy one stock. You can buy stock in James Franklin at Virginia Tech or Matt Campbell at Penn State. Matt Campbell. Easy peasy. Done. Change that question then. It was too easy for you because the schedule is easy. He brings the Iowa State roster. Let's say next three to five years. You're still staying with Campbell. Are you switching maybe thinking about Franklin? I'm as high on Matt Campbell as anyone including close members of his family. You love Matt Campbell. Yeah, and I'm not down on James Franklin. Yeah, I just love Matt Campbell. I thought it was the dumbest, most backwards 52 some odd days of anyone's life to watch Penn State fall back and swing blindfold in on a room when the Pinyata was right in front of their face. Yeah, they did fall ass backwards into this thing. Could not believe it. There were two coaching searches. This past cycle where administration did everything they could do to screw it up. And that's Penn State and Auburn. And I think they went two for two in landing quality candidates. I thought Penn State not get out of the park because that was the dude I circled on day one. They didn't even know what park they were playing on. And five years from now when both of them were winning, those same administrators that everything they could just screw it up will be getting pads on the back and taking credit for it. I do think Franklin, the Virginia Tech is like if you could draw up a landing spot for him. Because too often when somebody goes up to a Penn State, it doesn't, and it doesn't work. We like, oh, that guy was a losing loser the whole time who just loses. He is not a losing loser who loses. He's a very good head coach. He never was that. Never. He never was that. He was also, by the way, he was in the final four or two years ago. Well, you know, what I got roasted for repeatedly is I kept on saying James Franklin was the most properly rated coach. I would say that. I said that two dozen times. I even said he was underrated, but everybody would look. He said, uh-uh, because he can't be Ohio State. But he's not rated above Ryan Day. Yeah. Oh, no, no. Look, look, he keeps losing big hits. But he's not rated above those coaches. He was like in the five to ten range. You're talking to a moron who picked Penn State to win the national title last year. We all have things we regret from last year. I'm very last year was rough. Last year was the top 10 quarterbacks. With you talking about Club Nick and Drew Aller. And I had lagway lagway. I had lagway number one in the SEC. It's great. Last year was just this weird year where nobody you thought would be good was good. Yeah, here's the worst part. So the bad faith logic crowd that just wants to hate you. Yeah. They show up in December. And like last year's the easiest year in history to cherry pick bad predictions. Yeah. This guy thought Clemson was going to win the ACC. Right, why should I listen to him? No, my season number four buddy, did you etch your predictions in stone somewhere? Could I look at you predicting Clemson? Could I predict James Franklin getting fired? A Brian Kelly? These coaches were out by Halloween. Yeah, there were preseason top. Yeah, it was crazy. Last year was a wild year. So you're your huge Mac Campbell. Very, very. Well, let me can I say something about James Frank? I don't know what to do with. Let me say something about Frank. Yeah, go ahead. Franklin, I think one of the perceptions that may not be totally true is Franklin got access to the same kind of money that Ohio State had and that like Michigan was playing with. And I think that was only true like right at the end for yeah. Now he's still like they should have done a lot more that team last year. Yeah, so he got rattled and then went off the tracks pretty quickly. It's crazy, though, to then watch the whole juxtaposition of he goes to Virginia tech. And immediately the headline is someone just wrote a 75 million dollar check. Well, it is crazy when you look at a quality coach Franklin is and then you look at the four years of Dralar and Dralar just never really got better. They even when they would go getting like the big story last year was the three transfer of receivers they had put them in there. And then you watch them play a game and you're like, where did these receivers go? Where did like nothing in the last year was a bad job about James Franklin? It should have clicked and it just didn't. It didn't it didn't but but I think I think getting knocked off the ladder and falling down and grabbing for a wrong and it being Virginia tech is just perfect for him. I think that's a that's that's a school. I enjoy when they're good. I enjoy when that fan base is engaged. I enjoy when when we're hearing and talking about Virginia tech football. And I think we're headed back to it. Yeah, do you know 20-year-old people have no idea what you're talking about? No idea whatsoever. Which you would you lose really quickly is you get a little bit older. You lose concept of what was big time in your youth and teen years. If it hasn't been good for a while, think Virginia tech for example. It means nothing and you're not talking about it means nothing to a seven-year-old. It means nothing to a 20-year-old. It's grabbing the brass. And you're having the Nebraska's the same way. You're having to recruit kids and you're showing them the trophy case and they're like, did you import these? Wait, you're telling me Virginia tech did all this stuff? Yeah. Yeah. You're what? 49 and 450. I'm younger than that. 48. I was just in my late 30s until last year. What? Yeah. On purpose. I absolutely on purpose. Yeah. Okay, all right. I don't really believe in age as a number. Maybe a concept? I believe it's more mentality. - I believe in ages the number of colonoscopies you have to get per year. - I have to do that starting. - Yeah, I got seven last year. - Sounds like the last few were mainly-- - The only six were voluntary. - Optional? - Yeah, the only six were on purpose. - This is a question about you, I'm jumping around the sheet. You, you, let's just brass tax right here. You've had a pretty big rise over the last couple of years. I'm not gassing you up, you have a pretty big right. What a success look for you, look like for you in five years. Where do you think this thing's going? - Probably the operations bigger. - Yeah. - Probably there are more products under, if you want to call it the umbrella, the umbrella. But see, I am not someone who looks at this college football show I do, or covering college football as some means to an end, but eventually I want to get here or want to get there. Like, I always wanted this. - I want to do college football forever. And I want that to be the center of the universe. And if you grow and all of a sudden you got a company and you can do more things, you can hire more people. - Yeah. - We'll see. But like, it's, that's great. That's all well and good. But it's got to revolve around college football. 'Cause I've watched people, I'm not, this is me talking about living my life, but I've watched other people cover this sport in the past, which is number one for me. And I've watched and it's so obvious that it's like a stepping stone form. And it's a means to an end. And I'd never wanted to be that. - It's getting better, but we've had a lot of sports riders in this in college football that you can tell they're utter disdain for being a college football rider. You can tell that they hate this is their lot in life. - It's getting better. I do think some of those guys are getting either aging out or finally the powers that they are seeing. We've really got, you know, this is big enough on its own. It doesn't have to be a stepping stone or the NFL doesn't have to be a stepping stone or all these things. - Another thing, so you mentioned next five years. What I'd love to do is it really sucks what happens to a lot of really good print journalists right now. Some of them, I don't like. There are many more. - I don't like this stuff. - Well, okay, take the few you like. But you and I would both agree. We'd probably write the names down on a list and we would align on a lot of them. And you would think to yourself, there's no way this guy or this girl should be looking for a job right now. There's no way this person should have been laid off multiple times. Like this person does really quality legitimate journalism which you and I have never claimed to do. That person in my mind, five years from now, is a person that I could afford to pay whatever they want. And like they have no concern about the stupidity of the media industry turning them up. That's something I'd love to do. - You know, I came from print journalism. I was a sports writer for 15 years. And I just had, I just, I don't know, once I found this and I was like, I think all the sports writers who are worth their salt need to find this. - Man, I, I just, it's just the world, people just don't read, man. - Here's, I'm, you can't write a game story and be interesting about it 'cause everybody watches every game. - I just disagree. - Yeah. - Most people can't. - Yeah. - But I'm not looking for most people. - No, at the top of the industry. - There will always be a world for Ross Dallinger. Always. - Hey, I mean, I like Ross. I'm not, I didn't pause 'cause I disagreed on what I was doing. - But I'm using his name, yeah. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - I'm using his name because I think he's one of the best out. But I mean, I'm, I'm just saying, I, people always say, oh, no one reads anymore. - Yeah. - And it's the same people who say, oh man, young people have no attention span anymore. - Yeah. - But then I go in my YouTube analytics. - And it's John. - I look at the average retention rate for the, for the 17 to 34. - Yeah. - And they're watching like 25 minutes. - Yeah. - So what did I do, did I find unicorns? Or are you painting with two broader brush right now? - Luke, he told me it's not possible to look up analytics. I said, give me my analytics and he said, what is analytics? And I said, please look it up and he, - We'll talk. - I gotta talk to mints about peptides. I'll talk to you about analytics. - Yeah, yeah, well, he's got a lot of similarities with mints himself. - I don't. - Okay, relax. - That's getting fun. - Relax, time machine, little time machine trivia. This is fun. Oh, Ripwick, before I ask that question, will the world ever find out who you root for? - I don't root for anybody. It's bad business. So that's, and that is going to be, if we're being, I'm vulgar, I'm rough around the edges, but I don't know that I can ever pretend to be unbiased. And I'm not saying you're pretending. - I wouldn't have any problem having bias. If I grew up a Georgia fan or a shotgun, I'd have no problem being that. I think you can be more entertaining doing that if you do it the right way. Next to Will Compton talking about Nebraska all the time, but he does it the right way. There's no problem with that. But I grew up, I grew up in Columbus, Georgia, and I grew up, so. - Don't add, I mean, there's a lot of Georgia on over there. - Yeah, there are. That's the whole point. It's like this, perfect. If you picked a pinpoint in the South. - Oh, you're right in the middle of two fan bases. - It's a triangle, really. You got Georgia, you got Alabama, you got Auburn, but it's close enough to Florida, Florida state. There's a, for some reason, there's a lot of Clemson and South Carolina people there. So my point is, I didn't grow up with my mom or dad, just beating into me. Hey, hey, I went here, you need to root for them. And so like, there was a period where my aunt had convinced me to be an Auburn fan. And then my dad likes Alabama. Mom's a huge Tennessee fan. I live in the state of Georgia, so like late high school years. - Oh, the recipe got me. - I was big on Georgia. - Yeah. - But there was never like sustainability on that. - I was saying that. - But then also, I realized when you get, when you start to talk in a microphone, even if you are the most hardcore, if I was a hardcore Florida fan in the urban years, and then urban, it starts to go off the rails for him. You realize, if you could ever divorce, it's hard to do. But if you ever divorce your personal feelings with business, like what you say on air, some of the best shows you'll ever have are the shows when everything goes wrong for Florida, and everything starts to have the rails for them. - I know that very well. - What I wouldn't do is I wouldn't, if I were a Florida fan, go and stand on the sidelines. - No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. And this is, and you're the number one pusher of this narrative, by the way. - It's not a narrative. - It isn't a narrative. - No, it's not. - I was at the Texas game, me and Hardy, that's my boy. There's my name. Me and Hardy are at the Texas game. We're sitting in the, in Zack Sellman, he's the athletic director's, we're sitting in his suite. - You were in the athletic director's suite with Hardy. - Correct. - Yeah, keep going. - We were in the athletic director's suite. First of all, it was seven, seven when we went up. So we were started up with, no, no, no, no, no, not question time yet. We started out on the field. Then we went up, we ate, we had half time, and we were like, all right, we're going down, no matter what happens, we're going down on the field in second half. Yeah, we're going down the field. In between us leaving, we go up 17, but we were always going to the field. My presence on the field did not erase a 17 point deficit. Go ahead. - First question was about access to the suite with the athletic director and the celebrities. How many other common men were doing that that day? A lot of, Zack Sellman, it's an open door. The actual athletic director's suite at Mr. and State fits 13,000 people. Next question. You keep on speaking to definitive, like I had nothing to do with this. - Nothing. - Knowing I can't prove a counterfactual. - Jeff Levy, the coach told me later, you had nothing to do with this. - Jeff Levy is too nice a guy. - Agreed, he's a nice guy. - He is a very, very nice guy, and in this case, nice to a bolt. - I hope I never have to fire. - Yeah. - I really hope I never have to fire. By the way, you know, I'm not doing this properly. - Well, I see. - No, no, no. - Oh, I thought you were about to put Levy on the suite. - No, no, no, no, no, the opposite. We might have some things percolate down there. - You're going to go to a bowl. - Camario Taylor? - Yeah, I know who he is. I've read the preview magazines. You're going to go to a bowl? - Well, I told a bowl last year. - But so what is the standard this year? Like we're cooking some things. Everyone speaks in these hypotheticals. - Eight wins. - Are you high? - Eight wins. - Eight, and you know what? We got Oklahoma and Alabama coming in back to back. We're getting one of them. And I think Oklahoma is a sneaky national title pick, but we're getting one of 'em. - So Texas comes back from four touchdowns or something like that down. - It was three, it was three or something. - And not only that, it'd be one thing if it happened, like if the dagger to the heart happened at the opposite end of the stadium. The dude might as well have caught the ball and then landed in your lap. - You're on the national broadcast. - And you think, oh no, that doesn't mean anything. I had nothing to do with that. - Josh, they went to overtime. - I looked at heart and I said, we gotta get to the end of it. We gotta be there when it happens. Oh my God, can you imagine the feeling when we went? We go down there. But what are you doing, dude? - That is a soul-stucking moment. No kidding, dude. And you know how time stands still. Time stands still sometimes. They snap the ball. It's not arched, by the way. It's a backup quarterback in there. He drops back. I see the, it's a smash route towards me. And I see him load up the throw and I'm like, oh God. And he throws it towards me. And the ref calls him out of bounds. And I just, I, I knew he called it. I knew he called it. - You may have been in. - No, I remember the replay vividly. - I knew he called it. And I said he meant, but I was like, damn. And of course that was the first. We still have the ball to tie it. So that wasn't instant death. Instead it was a slow death. Whatever, why am I talking about this? - Let me ask you this. Here's something I couldn't have done. It's an incredibly sore loser. You got in the car afterwards. Dave was on the phone with you. - Yeah. - You, you answered the phone. He's your boss. - Yeah. - You answered the phone. And you got recorded answering the phone. - Yeah. - That moment to me is a little bit beyond what I would have been willing to tolerate. - So that's barstool sports. - That's tough. - And what you talked about earlier, our clips when we have to eat shit are way bigger than our clips when we win. - I know. I get all that. - Yeah. - I understand the human side. - But you gotta be willing to do it. - You're willing to do it. You can't work here. - What I'm saying is if I'd be willing to do a lot. I'd be willing to go and do a three point contest and look stupid, all that stuff. I'd be willing to have my bad takes thrown in my face. I'm just saying everyone's got a limit. And your limit is way past my threshold. 'Cause that moment right there, I would have just had to pie face the microphone and the camera. We're out, like it gets real at that point for me. - Say nothing else about me, I've got a limit. I got a high limit, I can take it. Time machine, you ready? - Let's do it. I bring a time machine into this, this is a quick one. This studio, me and you hop in it. I say, Josh, over the last 50 years of the time you've been in college football, we can go to one game right now. One game, one game and we're gonna go. We're gonna be standing right there. Where we going? - Yeah, I would go to 2005. You think I'm going to Texas USC, I'm not. I'm going to a USC game. USC Notre Dame. - Bush Bush. - Okay, all right, why? Over USC Texas. - You're not going wrong with USC Texas, obviously. That's awesome. - I think that's a peak of American college football. - Which I'm fine with. I'm totally fine with it. I got theories on that. And the Hogan-Rot main event at WrestleMania 18, which we can get to in a second. - Well, yeah, I mean, got to country music, yeah. - Yeah. I want you to think about, if you're a regular season guy, which I am, the regular season, the biggest moments in the regular season, resonate in my mind more than the postseason moments. That's just the way my mind works. I think that is the single greatest regular season, like all encompassing what I love about college football moment that I could ever remember. So I was younger, like I was a kid. - You're talking about stadiums, you're talking about brands, you're talking about real grass still. And they grow it up really high for that week. But I'm thinking to myself. - Brady Quinn, Matt Liner. - It's the pre-smart phone era. So like everybody's dialed. It's Pete Carroll, it's Charlie Weiss at that point. It's Brady Quinn, it's Matt Liner. It's superstar laden rosters, both sides. And I just remember the hype. I remember the build to it. And I remember, I got chill months right. I remember standing on the side of my bed in my bedroom, 'cause USC was safe if you lived in the South. And I remember thinking, - They really were. - I'm rooting for Notre Dame. That's how crazy this is going. - I'm rooting for Texas. - And you think to yourself after they go up right before the Jared catch, when they go up, USC is actually gonna lose a game. Like holy crap, this is about to happen. And then they run at thing down the sideline and then he gets pushed in. And you, I'm telling you, man, I have not reacted that viscerally against an outcome. But also been so emotionally caught up in an outcome in my life as I was for that one. And then I think to myself, there were people who were there. There were people standing on the field. If I could have been there, man, that would have made me a happy person. - Same time machine, picks us up. We leave that game. You can now put one coach into that time machine and bring them to either modern times, bring the modern times to coach your brook. Any coach in the history of this sport? Who are you taking to bring into right now, 2026 with us? - Like any coach ever? Any coach ever? - Oh, probably just Nick Sabin. I'm going to Spurrier. - That's fine. - Are you trying to have fun? Are you really thinking he's the best of all time? - I don't think he's the, I wasn't one best of all time. I was like, you know, I was just thinking, I was thinking winning plus personality, plus fun, plus, plus everything. I just think Spurrier is a guy in my whole life. If I had to pick my top five people associated with college football, I think Spurrier is the coaching representative. - Yeah, you know there's a guy, ironically, at Florida right now, if I were to take some role. In some role, he's not like tight. - Oh, down the mouth right now. - Yeah. - Good job. - If I took him and dropped him in the night, where people were just a lot looser. - Yeah. - Actually, I think some role probably is misplaced. Some role has got the kind of attitude that more fits in the '90s. It just so happens that he's a head coach in 2026. - Yeah, I could see him drop in the Tennessee Citrus Bowl line. - I just don't think he cares. - Yeah. - I really don't think he cares. - I did big sports riders. Last week when John Someral was like, if you had, if you're a phone rang, if you were one of my players in a ring, and they, you know, when the phone rang at SCC media days, it's like, if you were one of my players, I'd tick you out of here right now. Like, here's, you're a grown man. You, you don't have to let him talk to you like that. - I don't know who it was. - I don't either. - What was in there? - Well, he was on Wub this, he was on Wake Up Bar still. I didn't talk to him personally. He was on Wake Up Bar still. And he said what happened was a guy's, a guy had walked away from his computer and his phone, and the alarm on the phone went off. - You can't let that happen. - It's awful. Let's tear it. Can you imagine the horror coming back? - I would be embarrassed if I did it right now. - Yeah. - Much, you know, whatever. Same time machine. Same time machine. - You just break mid thought and go to the next point. Same time machine. We're back in the time machine. We got Spurrier and Sabin. We got the Bush Bush, one broadcaster. You got one game tonight for everything. One broadcaster throughout the history of the world on this game. - It's so easy. - You're okay Jackson. - Of course I'm going to Keith Jackson. - I got, I know that you're about to try and be controversial just to get something clipped out of this and it's stupid. The answer is Keith Jackson. - I don't let the SEC home or come out in me a lot. - It doesn't matter. Keith Jackson did Ohio State Games on the brink of the ill and tangy. He did LA Memorial Coliseum. - Keith Jackson. - Do I get an answer to? - The voice of college football. - You can say something. - He is the voice of college football. - Since you've got Keith Jackson, there's something Uncle Verne touches in me. - You'll never get me to hate on Uncle Verne. - Yeah, Uncle Verne and Gary, just on a Saturday afternoon at 2.30, just, it just feels right. - You're adding Gary? I think if you got Uncle Verne. I don't like Gary, I don't like Gary on the surface. But if I hear Uncle Verne, I also hear Gary. I love Gary then. - Yeah. - I had no problem with Gary then. - He named dropped Alabama too much, but whatever. - Yeah, but Alabama folks thought he hated him. So like it was all that works out. All that always measures out. Verne Lunkwist is great. I have no problem. He's obviously the soundtrack more of my childhood. 'Cause I was on the like the tail end of Keith. Keith Jackson's last broadcast was at Rose Bowl, right? The USC Texas campus. - 'Cause he had a lot of last broadcast. - It's true. - He actually, 98 SEC Championship game was Tennessee Mississippi State. And I remember Mississippi State gave him a silver cowbell because it was his retirement tour. - Yeah, it was his retirement tour. - Dwarf Blair broadcast. - And then he goes all the way to 2006. I do think he's going for the corner. He's got it. That was his last. - Do you ever ask why people don't talk like that anymore? - It's just something lost in history. - It's like Nicholas Cage was reading the Declaration of Independence and National Treasure. And he goes, "People don't talk that way anymore." And people don't talk the way Keith Jackson did anymore. And I don't think, and God bless him, but I don't think in 20 years we're going to say, "People don't talk like Chris Fowler anymore." - See, I always wonder. - He's fine. There's nothing wrong with Fowler. I'm saying I wonder about icons and legends in general. - Yeah. - If we're in an era where it's just not going to birth any of them. Taylor Swift is an icon. Taylor Swift will be remembered forever. But I'm asking in our world, in the college football world, the way we talk about broadcasters. - Yeah. - I don't know what changed. You can do a whole like four-hour dissertation on this. I don't know what changed, but I just, you could go Joe Tessetor, you go, you go, Fowler, you go any of these guys. How do you get remembered that way? - I think Herpes got a chance. Herpes treats grandfathered in though. Herpes grandfathered in. - He's still got a lot in front of him. - No, no, no, no, what I'm saying is, he existed in the late 90s, early 2000s. So he's grandfathered in. Who that's come along lately is going to be remembered icon. And it may just be that you're in the moment so you can't tell and it'll work the same way in 2040, relative to 2026 that it always has. - I guess everybody I'm gonna say is somebody you'd say, you'd say it was grandfathered in. 'Cause in 20 years when he's gone, we'll be like, man, you remember Gus Johnson? - No doubt. - You remember Gus Johnson? You remember Herpes Street, you remember? - Jim Nance will be that way, but then you and father Nate, you know what I think it is? I don't want to sound 80 years old, but like in the era where everybody's got an opinion on everything, you've seen everyone hate on everyone. No one ever saw anyone hate on Keith Jackson. Now, if you're of the same opinion I am and that is most people are seals and they just clap when they're told to clap, they don't think for themselves. So you see one person hate on Vernlunquist and it becomes 50 people and it becomes 500 million people, probably a little stretch on the last metric and it just doesn't become cool to say anybody in the modern age is an icon or we'll be an icon. - What's your time look like? - I'm good. - You good? - Yeah. - It makes you around here about two. - I mean, are we like allowed bathroom breaks and stuff like that? - Please take a bathroom break. - Okay, let's do it. - Okay, let's do it. - Let's do it. Part two after this. - Yeah. - Tea break over. - That's behind the scenes. Josh Pate pees too. - Saw a lot of friends on the way to and from the bathroom. - You saw a one friend. Saw PFT. - But like more than that. - Do his name drop an employee of this company? - Yeah. - No, got due to do it for me. - Sitting in this company. - Oh, dude. I saw PFT. - You know who's out there right now. (laughing) - Their studio is on the other side of that wall right there. I couldn't believe it. Lane Kiffin and LSU, all right. Here's where I'm at on Lane Kiffin and LSU. And there are several teams that I'm still marinate, known, manipulating in my mind. I believe Lane Kiffin to be a top five coach in this country. He is going to a place that will stop at nothing to win. He spent $40 million allegedly on the roster. - Sustainable. - Can they do it every year? - Can they, no, will they, yes. - Great answer. - Yeah, but they will do it. - I'm gonna give you a point. - Yeah, but anyway. Here's my thing on Lane Kiffin. I believe LSU would be a playoff roster. Him to win. be a playoff coach. I can't get there with the quarterback. Sam Levitt at Arizona State last year just wasn't very good. And he had an elite top three receiver in the country. Jordan Tyson was the elite two years ago at Jordan Tyson and Cam scataba. They're going to tell you it was hurt. They're going to tell you that was injury. You don't buy that. I just I just look at though the SEC and I look at arch over there. And in Austin, I look at Trinidad. Chambers up there in Oxford. They're going to be playing a lot of good quarterbacks. And are they going to go to war? They're going to go to war with Sam Levitt. If anybody can make Sam Levitt a very good quarterback, it is Lane Kiffin. But I want to I want to believe they're an SEC title threat and an national title threat. I'm having trouble getting there with Sam Levitt. What do you think about that? Yeah. All right. I've gone back and forth on LSU. So here's part one of the question. Is he just a good enough quarterback in general? Is all the help boxes check? Let's just assume the answer is yes. Yeah. Part two to me is, can they really rely on him to do what Ty Simpson did last year, which was when despite not having a ground game at all? Yeah. LSU was the only team in the league worse than Bama running the ball last year. So yeah, I guess insane. Yeah. Oklahoma sucked running the ball last year. That's crazy. Three teams that should never crazy struggle running the ball. So now now I would say unlike Alabama, LSU made some hard personnel moves to try and rectify that. Yeah. Whereas Bama's hoping to just like tweet things a little bit more and whatever. So if they can run the ball reasonably well. Yeah. And you're asking Sam Levitt to just just make good decisions, man, keep the chains moving, manage the offense. It's a lot better chance. If you're asking him to just go superstar mode and bail you out, it's not who he is. It shouldn't be the expectation. Yeah. And he shouldn't be called a bus when he can't do it. Yeah. If they plan to be in a 45 42 shootout in Oxford in September, that's not the, that's not the road map here. No, the road map is, it's just, it's physically battering teams and he comes over the top of the couple of touchdowns. I noticed you skipped over the week one game. Clemson, non-issue. If it isn't issue, there's no point in talking about LSU and like different. Don't you think that is so like perfectly college football though? I do. And I thought about this because dabbo and Clemson have been written off to a degree that you can never write off dabbo and Clemson. They have been filed away. They have been picked off and filed away and dabbo is not a file guy. You can't, you can't throw him out. And I know we're sitting on now eight years since the last national title. But for all the, for all the dreams and aspirations LSU has to come out in week one and it comes in. It's not a, it's not the team I would want to have my debut again. I just don't know how it happens. I look at last year, I'm talking about Clemson. I look at last year. Everything was there. I remember saying, if I were Clemson fan, I wouldn't even pay attention to 2026 because it was going to drop off after 25. And I was, I was saying to myself, this is what's so important to cash in this year. And they didn't cash in this year. And like the thought is, oh, we'll rebound this year. Oh, no, no, no, no. It's still the same. The only difference that I may have not been able to see coming is you did go into the portal. Tom Allen did convince him. I got to get some speed in the secondary and they did that. But it's still, it's Chris Vizina, I guess. Yeah, quarterback. It's a drop off in talent. They lost NFL guys at all three levels of that defense. And then again, it's dabbo. Let's speedrun some teams here. Everything, everything in my body looks at this. I come to two teams when I come to, to come up with a national title pick. It's Texas and it's American. Oh, buddy. Oh, buddy. There's no mention of Notre Dame. You neither have broken through. There's no mention of my preseason number one. We'll get to Notre Dame. That's fine. That's fine. Anytime, anytime you tell me you've got a national title hopeful. And the number one reason, number one thing is their schedule. I immediately think, well, that's not a real national title. But I didn't say that. And no, you didn't. But if, if, if you were objectively looking at Notre Dame, we said, why are they going on the national title? Well, the schedule. That's not a national title contender. At least not to the level of Oregon. You look at Oregon's roster. Oh my God. The amount of talent on that roster. You look at Texas offense, bringing to Hollywood, some others, Relic Brown, Cam Coleman to pair with Archmaning, who is going to be that guy this year. Oh my God. And I don't care what their schedule is for Oregon and Texas. I think they're going to be there at the end with Notre Dame. I look at them and I'm like, they'll definitely be in the playoff because they have no resistance. And that's not a team to me. Anyway, go back. Texas, Oregon, or am I to Oregon being the one example I want to ask about. Dan landing has never done it. Oregon has never done it by it. You mean when a national time, what is the, what would be the difference in 2026 to make them finally be the one to raise that for exactly what we talked about about an hour ago, which is being high enough on the ladder to take another shot at the belt. That would basically be it. Now I do think last year, it's going to get lost to time and people are just going to remember, man, they got boat raised by Indiana. I thought they got caught in like a hurricane of bad events last year where both of their coordinators had taken new jobs. Yeah. I'm excuse making for them. I'm going to admit this is an excuse. But I also think there's some validity to it was real. Dan is still relatively speaking a young coach. And so he's going through some stuff for the first time. They, they managed it the best way they could. Now Indiana probably beat some anyway. Yeah. But what I'm saying is they, they were ill prepared to even play the game. And that's going to be remember it is just no context. They got smoked. Now a year before Ohio State did the same thing to them. Yeah. And there were not those circumstances around it. Now I, I, I just think the one thing they got to really improve on is when they got up against the elite talent, Indiana or anybody else, even, even, it happened a little biggest Penn State defense, which talent was there. Dante Moore really didn't play that well against the elite talent. Yeah. But if you're telling me a quarterback coming back for his fourth year, if that's the thing, he's got to improve on if he's got everything else, I think he can make that leap and asking him to do the same thing. You're asking Orch Manning to do. That's it. That's all. Just stop me in the middle of what I was not saying, because I was about to say, by the way, same thing happening in Texas, same thing happening in Texas. And, and, and people will tell you, Oh, Archmaning wasn't good last year. And Archmaning is only love because of his name. By November, that dude was the truth. That dude was really good by the bowl game. That dude was good. He was, he wasn't good in September. I think the bowl game was better than most of the playoff games. Yeah. The Texas Michigan bowl game last year felt like it was being played in 1997. You did. And you know what it felt like. And I hate how reductive this is. You remember the Vince Young Roseball game against the year before the Roseball. Yeah. Well, it was against Michigan. And he goes off. I think they went 34, 33 or 35, and it was like someone pulled the pen on the grenade for the next year. Yeah. Yes. It was like, somebody pulled the pen on the grenade. And I think the pen's been pulled on the grenade again. And I think this Texas, they, they can't be bad. They can't fall short. With that, the amount of offensive talent. They can. Do you think there's a world here? Too far surround time. You think there's a world where people may be including us. Yeah. Do you think there's a world where people just go through all of July and all of August. And they, they try and run these thousand scenarios in their mind. And like arriving at Texas winning the SEC requires them to like jump over all these mental hurdles. Yeah. They win these close games. And then Texas just goes and scorch earth on the entire SEC. I think, I think it's very possible. I think, I think people are in love with past champion. People are in love with if you have not won recently, they can't fathom a world where you win. Well, right now the ones we have knocking on the door, the loudest for the ones who've never been inside the house. I agree. I think we could have a final four of guys who have never won a national time, Freeman. You get a Freeman. You get a start. You could have landing. Who would be our fourth? Well, you're the one that said four. So, so you're going to have to. But I'm saying, Kiffin could be there. You could put debor there. You could put. Yeah. But Brent Vinnable is there. The point being Lincoln Riley, whoever you have a number of guys out there with playoff capable rosters. Lincoln Riley is interesting. I in talking myself. Yeah. Yeah. A quarterback. Defenses as I had it right now. Lincoln Riley's whole situation is interesting right now. I'm just telling you that's a unique situation at USC. There's there's a this is a year. There's not a monster sitting on top of this sport. And I know any of you just want it went 15 and open. There's there's not an Alabama 2010 roster or 2011 roster sitting on top of this sport. There's not Georgia 22. There won't be there won't be right. So we come in. There are so many interesting possibilities. Oregon breaking through is interesting. Texas breaking through Notre Dame is a team. I don't know that I am going to be able to believe in. I would pick Notre Dame to win the SEC. I want you to well, they don't play in the. But I'm saying, I'm saying, if they played in the SEC this year. Because because you just said that you made you that's true. Yeah. You made a good point. You know how rarely I say that. And you said, Oh, people are just picking them cause of their schedule. Yeah. Some people are. Yeah. But see, here's the thing. If the who wants to see all if the Seahawks came to college football this year and played Notre Dame schedule, that still be the Seahawks. So your schedule does not necessarily explain how good or not good a team is. Although there's room for schedule debates. Yeah. Notre Dame is a unit will be a unit this year, not to mention for all of the lack of ability their schedule may have to battle test them. They think they got screwed out of a playoff spot last year. They've got that taste in their mouth. All those dudes are back. They may have get the Heisman favorite at quarterback right now. By the way, according to the odds market. Let's do this exercise. You don't have to pick your national title. I'm not going to pick my national champion here. But let's just really get Kim this team won the national title because I'm going to add a team we haven't talked about. Now, let me just ask for rule clarification. When you say, can this team win the national title? Do you mean any team where there's a 1% chance they could win? You need to say yes, or is it need to be like a 10% chance? I mean, it needs to be at least 10. It needs to be, can I, I want to tell you a team, a logo, a coach, and you say, yeah, I can visualize that for this year, for this year. All right. Go. Like, let's just, for example, I think John, somewhere was a great coach and I think I can't just can't see a world where the Florida Gators went in your one. No, but I'll list them. Notre Dame. You obviously think they can win the national title. You don't think I'm not going to pick them because I would have Oregon and Texas above them. But yeah, I can see a world where that quarterback and that coach break through when the national defense that ground game. So let's be on Texas Oregon, Georgia, Notre Dame. I think those are four four week Ohio State Indiana, Indiana, or you put all them in there, right? Yeah. Miami. Yes. I can absolutely literally see Miami winning it. I think I'm going to throw Oklahoma in. All right. Do you want to sell me on this? And this is crazy because Oklahoma fans think I hate them through the first six weeks. What are you watching on your phone? There is a live show streaming on your phone. Oh, that's me. That's, uh, that's my TikTok. That's my, I play my highlights to get myself in the mood. You play your highlights to get yourself views. Now, see, you got me sidetracked again. And you know, I don't have that could have a brain. What was I talking about? You were talking about Oklahoma winning it all this year. Okay. Okay. Oklahoma fans think I hate them. Let's flashback last first, first, first six weeks of last year, who was the presumptive Heisman favorite? I had a ticket for John. I remember it well. John Matier gets hurt around the about Texas game. They ended up losing a couple. But Brent Venables has flipped that team from good offense, bad defense to now they're elite defense. And I think they can get a good enough offense this year. They go 10 and two. They sneak into the playoff. I don't think you're going to want to see that defense on the other side in a playoff game scenario. Last year, they were up 17. Nothing on Alabama. And then they just, they just let it slide off. They were, they were, they were winning a playoff game at home last year and fell apart. I think you take that. You take that moment. You take, you get them in the locker room and say, boys, we got it in here. Don't ever let that shit happen again. I don't have a problem with this. And I think Oklahoma with the quarterback, they got who's the receipt for satania running back. I would like to see a little bit more explosiveness and home run. But it's good enough. And defensive lines going to be elite, defense is going to be elite. And Venables might be a breakthrough guy. I'll never doubt defense with them. You know, ironically, if you talk about the DNA that you suspect a Brent Venables program would have, they were terrible running the ball last year. I just have a hard time seeing them fail to run the ball two years. Why are these elite, like LSU, Alabama, why are we in a world where they can't run the football? To me, I think it may be because, but this is so anecdotal. But there's a little bit more churn at offensive line. Like a lot of coaches say that a lot of coaches say the veteran continuity that you used to have on offensive lines, not there. When I've been in the units anymore, we're building individual offensive lines. Probably true. So we're at eight, I think, we're at eight. I'm going to throw a couple more LSU. Yeah. Yeah, I would agree. Oh, miss. Yes, because they've got the most dangerous player in the sport. So I'm going to say no because I'm a generational hater. And my life wouldn't be the same if they won the national title. I'm not mad at that. So also, I don't think you lose a top five coach in the country and get better. I just don't think it's possible. And it's play collar. And it's play collar and the backup play collar. Oh, yeah. Well, Lane was play collar up until last year, right? And then Charlie, watching your tookovers play call. You know what? I think it's going to happen for Ole Miss this year. Yeah. Even as I admit, I'm high on them. Sure. It is a football seasons are long. And Pete essentially had to chug a Red Bull and go through a few games last year. Yeah. And it may have seemed like forever in the moment that incredible Hulk and the middle of a playoff. Yes. You go, they play Louisville week one in Nashville. I agree. Yeah. Louisville is a very big sleeper team of mine this year. You go through that. You got LSU two weeks later. You've got to go to Gamesville immediately after that. There are three really loosable games in the first month. And that's the whole thing. By that point, it's only October. Also, if you lose the LSU game, that's like two losses. Look, I wonder where their mind's going to be win or lose for that Florida game. Yeah. Like, there's why some are all, man. Some are all in a situation where they go, they play all. He's going to all shucks is way into the game. First conference game is on the road at Auburn. And that's week three. Same time LSU is playing Ole Miss. So no one's going to really watch it all that much. And then he comes home and they get whatever version of Ole Miss, that is that that Ole Miss has to go down to the swamp. And some rock could just be sitting there for no five. And they're going, man, would you believe this dude? I was, we were sitting there on well this morning and beside his face, they showed the Florida schedule. And I nudged evil. I was like, wait a second. They could be six and a half. Like they get and then it gets dangerous. It gets bad. I think it's like Texas Alabama, Oklahoma or something like Georgia, Alabama, Oklahoma, Georgia. I thought it was such a missed opportunity. So Jacksonville's under renovation, not the city. Maybe the city too, but the stadium. Jacksonville city has been under renovation. They could have done a two year home in home with Georgia, Florida. Yeah. And instead, they're taking it to Mercedes-Benz Stadium and Tampa. I want to say it would look so great between the hedges one time and then this one. We screw stuff up. Such a layup. We're so stupid. We're so stupid, especially you. Texas Tech. No. Yeah, I agree. I think it may look shockingly similar to last year. But I don't know that they're going to roll. Well, the big 12 would be better. But let's just say they go through. They win the conference. Yeah. I still think you run into a brick wall because your quarterback position doesn't measure up. Still a mile behind the other halves in the sport. And I do Joey McGuire's great at clipping this stuff. I'll play in their building. I mean, I've walked in their building and seen me picking Kansas to beat him a couple years. So I'm happy for him to prove me wrong because I actually love the program. Did you just name drop yourself on hype videos in the building? Yeah. Yeah. You name dropped yourself. I've been on hype videos. Yeah. But usually me looking like a fucking fool. Yeah. Okay. Are we done with it with the teams? Who do we miss? Do we miss anybody? You left Alabama out? You left George George George George George for Alabama. Man, it's really tough. I lean. I lean. No. There. Here's my only problem. Yeah. They may have like a super start quarterback. Yeah. They just did just it was a first year player. He wouldn't be a treacherous. But I said a freshman. He'd be a wrestler. Right? That's a freshman. I don't even count red. I don't say that anymore. I just say year player. Okay. Those are the players. What's your goal with? If that happens, I'm just saying there are you're going to be holes on that team. Yeah. I just want to bake in in this like, you know, like safety net type mentality that I have saying yes or no on this. I want to bake in the possibility. Keel and Russell could just explode. And then you're watching them saying that's a flawed team. But man, he's making up for a lot. Yeah. I think there's a world. You know, what? I'm not going to go back on what I said earlier. Like eight and four gets inspired. But nine and three missing the playoff, but Russell being a star. Yeah. Amps him up for the next year. That's why I'm starting now. I was all rustling spring. I thought he was going to be the guy. Yeah. I'm starting to maybe go a little bit more towards maybe they start the season with Austin Mac. You go Mac for a month and then it general transitions. Yep. We got about 10 minutes here. I know you're your time's valuable. My time's more valuable. Um, I'm going to ask you a very blanket generic question. I want you to answer it is college football better or worse than 10 years from right now. And it's a lot. That's a lot of question. I just I just laid on your chest. Your meaty chest. Is that is that all? Is that like just no carbs or what? That's just just working. I'm really deep in thought. Let me know. Sorry. Sorry. What do you think? Look? Do you think that's just no carbs? I think it might be. I think I think it's I think it's I think it's implants. Pepp Tads. Let me ask you. Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, don't even have pep. I believe that it said once Orgeron want to talk to me about pep. Let's see. I, I, I think I think we will have gotten out of we are maybe better a lawless world that I just believe within 10 years somebody's going to get a hold of it. Maybe better. Yeah. It may end up. I'm not saying it's bad right now. I'm not a daily guy. It's not bad. I'm not a doom. Now some people say it's the best it's ever been. Maybe I'll slightly disagree with that. But, but then again, your prism that you've viewed the sport through maybe different than mine. So it comes down to personal preference. I'm saying we're never going back to pre portal pre NIO. Okay. So the sports never going to get unflattened. Now, what could happen is the SEC in the big 10. I don't know what's going to happen with this bill, but like maybe they gobble up all the value properties, but see someone said that to me the other day. They said, what did the SEC in the big 10 expand further? If we, if we were to like pull a chart down right now, and I could just draw this for you, let map that out for a second. What if it happens? Yeah. What if North Carolina, Florida State Virginia Tech or whatever go to the SEC? What are the like Notre Dame and a bunch of went to the big 10? What if college football really did end up being a glorified version of NFC AFC. However, unlike the NFL, what you do at that point is you just redevide things up again. Yeah. You put in dividers. You the Southwest. You go back to regional. You take the exact same IP. Yeah. Do I really care that the pack 10 in this new world is a subsidiary of the big 10? I couldn't care less. I just love that I don't have to watch USC play Rutgers in a new conference game anymore. I would love to see West Coast football mean something again. I think you did just do 20 years of evolution. I do think it's going to evolve back into itself where we will go regional again. I think the one mistake we've made and there's never been more eyeballs, never been more dollars, okay. So by that metric, College Football is doing as well. But we have, with the super conferences, we have lost a little, we've lost the regionality, and we do get lost in the, you can have a week schedule, as opposed to somebody in your same conference that has the toughest schedule you've ever seen. - Yeah. - And we've lost the balance there, and the answer is 10 team pods, 10 team regional conferences, that's where we're gonna end up again. And I do wish we had, you know, I miss Jefferson pilot sports, I miss Vanderbilt and South Carolina. - 11, 21 A.M. kick-offs. - With the Daves on either the three Daves. I miss that. And I don't think we'll ever go back to that again, but regionality is NFL doesn't have regionality, basically baseball doesn't have regionality. - And doesn't care about it. - College sports had it, and I think we will eventually go back to it. - Yeah, I just think there's a way for your worst fears to be realized, 'cause a lot of people's worst fears is the SEC and the Big Ten, gobbling up everything. I think there's a world where that could happen, and then things get just basically relabled, the right way, and redistributed the right way. And yeah, at the end of the day, it's two mega powers running the sport, but from the business side, as long as you can pull that curtain down in front of the business side, and put what I want as a fan on stage, I don't care. - My worst fear is a hardest time. - Well, you know, some of us make different kinds of decisions, so we have to worry about different sorts of things. - I ate a lot of butter and sugar. - Throughout the day. - Yeah. I'm not gonna take up any more of your time. I appreciate you. - Thank you very much for that. - Oh, wait, are we done? - Well, it's almost two o'clock. - Oh, you have to go somewhere. - You said you had to be done two o'clock. - That driver will be out there whenever I-- - Don't, don't, don't pick time. My driver's waiting for me, too. - Yeah, I'm fine, but if you're done, if you're out of things to talk about, it's the greatest sport in the world. I mean, I came all the way up here to sit down with what I, you know, at the very least, would call an acquaintance, if not a not right. You're definitely not a peer. But a friend, I could go home. I could do that. You know, good and damn well. You know, good and damn well that we got a time crunch here. There's nothing I can do. You know what, 15 more minutes. - Five? - 15 more minutes. - I did the whole sheet. What do you want to talk about? What do you, Josh Pate, want to talk about? - I gotta make sure we didn't close in the house. Hold on. - All right. - Driver's here. - When I say, when I say, I hate you. When I say, I hate you. - All right, let me talk to you about something. - Let me talk to you about something. - I'm gonna know it's my floor now. - All right. - The facade around Garth Brooks in Trisha Yearwood. - Go. - I don't think this is a hot take, but to the unwashed who don't know me, it would come off as a hot take. I think it is the facade that makes the least amount of sense to me. Garth Brooks, I'm not a Garth Brooks hater. Dude's got several songs I like. But that's a far cry. Me saying Garth Brooks has got several songs I like is a far cry for me saying the '90s made sense to me. Like that and he's a great live performer. I understand why he became a megastar. I don't view Garth Brooks that way. Like if you told me catalog for catalog, I'm gonna offer you Clint Black or Garth Brooks from my personal taste. I'm taking Clint Black. I take Tracey Lawrence. - I think that's patently absurd. And I love Tracey Lawrence. I love Clint Black. Garth's going 25 deep of absolute bangers. And you're throwing Trisha Yearwood in there for us. - Hold on, I'm gonna finish Garth Brooks. They just happen to be married. This has nothing to do with him being married. - Sure. You texted me a couple of weeks ago and you said, "You know what? "I'm not sure Trisha Yearwood has the hits "and has the songs people act like she has." You texted me that. - I said that I thought, I think my exact words were, we danced anyway by Dena Carter. Is better than anything Trisha Yearwood ever did. - And that's you taking your hipster brain and saying something is underrated over here. Therefore, it trumps something over here. Over here, she's in love with the boy is a top 10, 90s country song. - I don't doubt that it. - Yes, anyway, it's very good. - That's a fact, that's a chart five. - It's a very good song. - We danced it anyway. - It's a great song. - It's not a good song. - It's a great song. Trisha Yearwood has that. She's got "Walk Away Joe." - She's got. - Don Henley carried this song. - It's the Zannos. - You know my thought about "Walk Away Joe." - Don Henley did not carry "Walk Away Joe." - Don Henley carried any song he was ever a part of. - Not. - Probably, yeah. - It's a fact. - For most of them, but not that. We're not "Walk Away Joe." - I think the best 90s female country song is maybe it was Memphis, and I don't know. - Oh yeah, you floated this to me the other day. - I think that's the. - It's not even Pam Tillis' best song. - No, no, don't stop. That's where you just try. Oh, I know more than you, drummer. Say that's not Pam. Maybe it was Memphis's the best song in the 90s by a woman. You tell me a better one. - Well, a little past Little Rock by Leanne Womack. And that's just off the top of my head. - Fuck. - That's a good song. - That's a really good song. - I like the full. - The full's good. - The full's good. - The full makes perfect sense why that one would be on your own. - The full's tonight guy. - You're short list. I'm a shaniya guy, but I'm a shaniya guy in a different way than the "Come On Over" 1997 craze. - Yeah. - Although Rock This Country is a rare unairated song from that album. - You're not a who's bad head. Have your boots been on it? - I'm fine with that song. - Yeah. - I think if you're not in it for love. - Yeah. - It's like one of the great country songs of all time. I get fired up listening to that. But Shaniya Twains on the Twister soundtrack. - Yeah. - So that's the kind of street cred you get from me that only a few people get. - How come in the new movie, the new Twisters movie they didn't kiss at the end? - That's a great question. - I thought I'm just dying for that kiss, just kiss. - It's a great question. - Certainly, there's a little problem. - Bill Paxson were covered in sewage mud at the end of the first "Twister," they kissed. - Yeah. - They were, you know what I also didn't like. I also didn't like, and you know I could go for a long time on this. I didn't love that there was no callbacks. There was no callback. There was no reason for it. There could have been like a picture of Dusty and somebody's car. There could have been, there could have been, the music they played could have been the same as anything. - Buddy, the last thing we saw in the original "Twister" was Bill and Joe making out on the ground. - Yeah. - Not knowing whether the family's alive or not, the horses may be dead. - No, I saw the family walk out of it. - That's true, that's true. - Why not just make the next movie-- - Make a baby. - They're children. - Yeah. - It's right there. - Yeah. - I, I didn't hate the Twisters movie that we just saw a couple, that came out last year. My biggest issue with it is there's a tornado outbreak going on and people just go to the rodeo. - Oh, buddy, that's the same thing with the driving movie. - There's driving movie. - There's just half the driving. They know there's an outbreak going on. When an outbreak comes in Oklahoma, people know. And they're like, well, no, wait a minute. Wait, I'm not going to the rodeo tonight. They're not even going to have the rodeo tonight. - We're like, school out early today. - Right, there's no way I'm going to the rodeo. And these people are sending the rodeo and the wind starts picking up and they're like, hey, no. - Hold on a second. - Wait, wait, wait a second. - No, it's not just that it's the citizens. - Yeah. - It's the one that people store like Glen Powell is at a rodeo going. - That'll leave. - There's a tornado coming out of his face. And this storm chaser is like, well, I wonder what this rodeo cowboys like that bothered me. But I like you in 1996 when Twister came out. I saw it on the opening night. I left the theater at like 9.30. I saw the 7 o'clock. I went home, I got my friends Matt and Ken. I said, get in the car. (laughing) We got in the car, went to the midnight showing. I was like, you've got to see. You're not going to believe what this Dodge Ram did, dude. You're not going to fucking believe what this Dodge Ram did. And it's been, and then at Blockbuster in my town, I talked them out of the Twister, the big-- - The poster? - The poster and though they'll cut out. - Yeah, I did the same thing with Tommy Tuberville back in the day. - Did you? You got a Tuberville. - I got a Tuberville cut out of him holding a coat. - That's weird. - That's really weird. - The story's better. - Yeah, much better. - Country music, anything? - More. - I think Ella Langley's crushing it right now. - Jesus, she's incredible. - Ella Langley's on a whole different level. - She's incredible. At the same time. Choose in Texas is now in its 16th week of number one. - It's not a top three in my opinion for her. - Choose in Texas is a good stone. - Yeah, I'm a dandelion. - Dandelion's good, broken. I was just listening to this morning. - She's good. - She's damn good. - Who's your favorite person currently out? - Me and Country? - Yeah. - I think it's her. - I really think it's her. - I come just so good. - Luke comes just good, but Luke comes is your top guy? - Really, really good song on the Twister soundtrack, by the way. - Who do you want now? - What did you use that top guy? - Not as familiar with his word. - You got to get on that top. - Yeah, that's the exact top on the way home. - Yeah, not as familiar. Zach Brian, I'm also not like really, really, but it's only because I hadn't sampled all of his catalog. - Yeah, check it out. - I get stuck, I get years at a time, stuck on playing. - Check out top for me. - I've heard that. - That's the 90s country sound. Yeah. Can we end now? 'Cause I got, no. - Again, if you think that's the right thing to do, do it. - Don't, don't do this, you're so passive aggressive with this shit. - What I'll probably do is hang around the office a little bit after you. - Can I say something? - Your show. - Congratulations on all your success, I appreciate it. - Thank you, sir. - Thank you very much. - I hope this show does a pretty well. That's it, thanks Luke. (upbeat music)