The Resolution of Conflict

(upbeat music) - Yep, Charlemagne the God. Our guy Andrew Schultz, well, first of all, this is the brilliant artist podcast. Welcome back to another week of brilliant, and this our guy Andrew Schultz is not here. Let me tell you why Andrew is not here. And I'm gonna tell you why this makes me feel so good. Today as we're taping this, tonight is the premiere of Street Fighter, right? - The movie premiere. - It comes out this week, comes out Friday. - Third year Friday. - Third year Friday. - The 16th. - The 16th, so it comes out Friday. But Andrew is on set of Miami Vice. - Not a dope that is. - That's by it. - On set of Miami Vice. While Street Fighter comes out this week, round of applause, man. You know, the round of applause for the Hezzy. Okay, we all had to sit in this room and listen to the struggles of the white man not being able to make it in Hollywood. Okay, now the white man is back, baby. - He's back. - Back dominating Hollywood. - But the gang is here, Alex is here, Chris Malrow is here, and Brynn is the least favorite guest of all time. Mouse Jones is here, but all time, yeah. - That's crazy. - According to Reddit. - I don't know why I don't. - 'Cause I don't know. - I don't know why I ain't. - Mouse is here, how you been, Mouse? - Good. - I feel like I ain't seen you in a long time. I talked to you all the time. - Yeah, we talked all the time, but now I haven't seen you since. Oh, when I came to the, the last time I came to the-- - Oh, you wasn't there. - You was promoting the comedy show. - Yeah, the comedy show, that ass comedy show, that ass comedy show. Well, yeah, happy to have you here. How you been? May you still hate capitalism? - Yeah. - It's pretty ugly. - Really? - Yeah. - Okay. - But you're a capitalist. - I'm not, the only thing I hate more than capitalism is that little laugh Alex did when you said that ass comedy show. - What you mean? - It's only the reason. - What you mean? - I just didn't like, that's the only thing I hate more than capitalism. - What, Alex is laugh? - About that ass comedy show. - Why? - What, what don't you hate about? - Well, what I hated about it was just because that little laugh you did was indicative that you feel away about the comedy show, that we could have handled as men else would. - What happened here? What's going on? - You want, you want y'all what happened? - You're bringing it up. - Right, because what, what is the point of being in a room with two grown men who, I never hated you? I don't hate you, I love you, I still love you. Just what you did was fuckery. - Okay, I like conflict resolution. - Do we, do we, do you all want to talk about thing as fuckery? - No, what you did. - Look at that, let's talk about it. - Can we get some context on what's going on? - Biggest thing. So, that ass comedy show, that is my comedy show that I started back in June of 2024. - Yes. - When I got back in the comedy, shout out to a cause, a, a, a, everybody that showed love. - Say Alex, you didn't say it. - Alex, I did. - No, it didn't come out, you didn't, you didn't pronounce the a, a nunct the a, did you? - You saw it in a nunct the a. - You didn't. - You said like, a boogie, like a like. - A boogie, a boogie, a boogie, long story short. Start the comedy show, right? I just wanted to create a cultural comedy show. It was my, that ass comedy show was my like, old to fat Tuesday. It was my old to death comedy jam. And it honestly was an old to a show I had been booked on in Atlanta, ran by Moe, hosted by Nav Green, called Hell Yeah. - Okay. - Atlanta to do the show. I'm like, yo, this is super Atlanta. Like it's not like. - Atlanta's had a bunch of those, like the shit show. - The shit show. - A new ball, little ball had trippin' on Tuesday, sleuthed compression piece, new clay. - Yeah, they, yeah. - I see you. - Resto, another person's like that. - No, I just still ain't by that day. I was, I was super inspired. I'm like, why we don't have nothing like this in New York? - Mm-hmm. - This is 2024. So I come back to New York, I say, you know what? We're gonna do a comedy show. I put a team together, we started doing a comedy show. This comedy show is very black. This is the premiere platform for black comedy in New York City. I just wanna reiterate that one more time. Premiere platform for black comedy in New York City. Everyone's invited, those comics on the stage, whether they're super famous or upcoming, they're all black. And it's for a black audience. Got that? Cool. I then reach out to Alex. I say, yo, I say, yo, um, come on boy, bro, like, like I want you to be a partner in this. You got, you got all the media shit. We get the clips going, come on boy. Alex goes, we're fighting back and forth about percentages. We, we not doing no nigga business. We wanna offer you a real percentage. Shout to my team. - Chris is in here, don't use that word. We're not using that word. - Percentage? - No, end word. (laughs) - The end word, let's not use the end word. But I get what you're saying. - Nigga. - That's what I said. - Okay. - That's in you? - I'm good. - Okay. - Okay. - So, so I wanna make sure that we not doing no. - End word business. - End word business. - Okay. - So me and the team, we're going back and forth. I'm like, yo, Alex is the guy. Alex is the guy. Don't nobody know the space better than Alex. He's the guy. Let's go to him. - The comedy space? - The clip space. - Oh, got you, got you. - Okay, okay. - Getting something from a clip. He knows how to edit comedy. Like, he's the guy. We get Alex. Alex is going back and forth about this percentage. He's like, we offer them, I don't know if you, if I remember, we offer them something that was fair. - You remember the numbers, Alex? - 15. - 15%. - Okay. - I'm like, this is fair. So, Alex did not want the 15. He kept uping it to more. This is over like a three week process. We're like, yo, what is this? I'm talking to Alex personally. He's like, yo, I just wanna do this. I wanna do this. - What the hell is going on with this? - We finally all on a call. We like, Alex, what is the, I offer, not only a 15%, I then say, I'm gonna take five% from myself and give it to you. So, that way you got what you feel comfortable with. - It was just 20. - That's how I got up to 15. - No, you had more. - That's, nope. You offered 10 first, and then you gave me five years. - A mine. - I got up to 15. - Boom. Still a great guy. Take mine. Just like, take from me so you can, I want you a part of this. - Mouse, are you sure? - Alex, are you really doing this? - Yes, I guess, my nigga. - Conflict, right? - No, no, no, no, no, no, no. - So I said, so I said, so I said, cool. So now we all on the phone, my, me and Alex have been talking about it for three weeks. Personally, I'm going back to my team with what he asked him for. Me and him are talking. We get on the phone, everybody who's there. We like, yo, Alex finally agrees to the 15. We like, I bet, now, before we even talk about anything else, Alex here are the duties. You are a partner and you are in charge of the content. You two getting the clips, shooting, that is you. - Right around. - Yeah. - For, actually, your story is really off, but-- - I'm asking you about that part right there. - Oh, that one, that one. - Let's tell him, let's tell his story. - I just want to make sure that we're on the same page 'cause it doesn't make no sense. - That's a small part, yes. - Okay, boom. So now for that part, that's his duties. He's partner, those are his duties. Now, he's showing up, he's putting on his best black people outfits. He'd love to be around, he'd love to be around the nigga. - I'm sorry Chris, but I'm just being honest. Now, he'd love to be around the nigga. This is the space that Alex does not get invited to. There's not a space that Alex shows up for. - Relax. - We got you here. - Relax. - I see Alex in Mad Black space. - Yeah, relax. - Relax, Mouse. - Just because you're gonna be in my spaces that I happen to be in as well as black spaces. Doesn't mean I'm never in black space. - I never space, I want to be in. And I mean, every space I need to-- - Mouse just relax. Just talk about the story. Just talk about the thing, but relax. - Don't, don't. - That was nothing but relax. - If that was unnecessary. - It was the truth. - Because the reason. - And you begged me to be in my spaces, nigga. - What space do you, what space? - Son, you begged me to be on Akashio. You begged me to be on Mouse's on Mark's show. - I think so. - I was begged me to open it up for. - I opened it for Akashio before you-- - You thinkin' before you threw it, it's heathen. - Why do you think Akash even fucks with you? 'Cause I put 'em all to you. - That's why? - Yes, nigga. And you could call 'em up right now. - So the N words flying. - I ran into the single black people. - When he get around black people, we get real real black. - I was like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. - Let me finish it, you get back to it. - She popping shots, it's gonna go left. So just talk. - I'm with whatever way you want to go. - No, we're not doing that. - It's like, I'm-- - I'm doing it. - Okay. - I'll ask for you. - I'll ask for you. - I'm saying you want to-- - I'm saying you want to simmer down. - Yeah, I want to talk about something. - If you want to talk about what happened, we could talk about that. - That's what we're talking about. We talked about. - No, no unnecessary shots for anyone. - If you pop shots, it will go left. - I'm Alex, I want you to understand. - Cool. - With whatever way you want to go. - No, just have to come face it. - All wrong. - Whatever way it ends is your choice. I'm with you. - Okay. - Wherever you want to go. - Nobody else doing that. - Right. - It's different. - It's about how you talk. That's all it is. - I'm going to talk honestly. And if you take issue with honesty. - Whatever. - We are now doing this first of all. You do a clip, clip do, clip go crazy. Flip go crazy. I first million clip view. This is like three shows and I'm, I'm talking shit to the team. I told y'all about my boy. I told y'all about boy. I told y'all. Month two. Everybody, everybody hitting out, your Alex, where's the clips? Where's the clips? Month three. Your Alex, where's the clips? What's going on? Where's the clips? Where's the clips? Month four. Alex hits me 24 hours before the show. Yo, I got my VIP clients hit me. They got all my, they got all my equipment. So, uh, so I'm out. I can't do a show. This is, this is 24 hours before a show. If you're a duty, you're not a hired gun. You're a partner. So if your duty is to take care of the content. and now you're in cable doing it yourself, what would be the, what would you do? - Tell 'em what I mean. - I mean, I gotta hear Alex decide for us. - Would the right thing would be, would the partner thing not be to say, yo, I got this guy, we gonna get this guy over here. - Yes. - Alex, leave me hanging. - Alex? - Okay, so now if I'm lying, I'm flying. How'd you come up with this idea? - Did I ask the comedy? - Yeah, I just told you. - So you don't recall, when I called you, January of that year, it was January 2024. - It was January 2024, I have the records. - It was, I have screenshots, I have everything. You need to see it where you even admitted, oh yeah, I forgot we had this call. Because I gave you that idea. I say yo, mouse, you're getting into comedy. I know how to do this production shit. There's no black situations going on in New York right now. Let's come together and make the black version of Don't Tell Comedy and combine that with Def Jam and we will have the most amazing show with my production and your ability to host. - You said that in January. - I gave you that exact idea. - You said that in January, I'm in January of that. - And what happened from January to June? So I'm just asking a simple question. I don't even, I'm not even beefing with you. What happened? Because we are all in, Chris is what everybody in this film is a creative, we all have ideas. You came to me about a comedy show in January of 2024, correct? - Yeah, exact, I did. - It's not the exact idea. - But you said you said I didn't talk to you that year. So now you're saying I did talk to you. - So in conflict resolution, we look to get to a common place. If you, I don't agree that I was 2024, but for the sake of this argument, I will say it was January 2024. - Okay. - January is the first month of the year, correct? - Okay. - June is the sixth month of the year. - Okay. - From June to January, what transpired? - Okay. So we didn't talk. You got busy, I got busy. And then what happened, I believe it was actually me, 'cause you say June, but it was actually me. You're like, yo, you know, I got to show I'm doing, you wanna come through, you wanna pull up? So I'm thinking he's just doing some comedy show. So I'm like, all right, cool, I'll pull up. I'll pull up to the show. And it's the exact version of what I described to him. And I'm like. - Brooklyn CEO. - It can't be a exact version. - It's the exact, it can't be an exact version of it. - That's the Brooklyn CEO. - No, first of all, it's not. It can't be an exact version. Alex came to me, Alex discussed. - Nigga, what did I just describe? - I don't know if it was the 2024, I don't know if it was 2022. I don't remember. - Wait, but isn't this my turn? - Oh, go for it, my brother. - All right, go for it, it's your world. - So now, I pull up to the show. It's the exact show of what I described to him. Exact show. So I feel a way naturally, but it's whatever. Like, I've had ideas stolen from me in the past. It's all good. I'm an ideas man, I'm a creative. I can get it back. So I go up to my accent. First, he plays dumb. So he plays dumb. Now I feel the way, because now you're insulting me, because you're playing dumb. Then, a couple of weeks go by, press him again about it. He's like, you know what, yo. I completely forgot that one about things, what about things that way. You know what, I'm gonna get you involved. I'm gonna make shit right. So now, that's the only reason why there was percentages being talked about. That's the only reason, because he realized he fucked up. He realized he stole my business idea. - Wait, wait, wait, wait. At this point, it's my point of view. - Okay, go for it. - So, he realized that, oh shit. He did tell me about this exact idea. You know what, let me try to make shit right. So now we talking about percentages. His business partner, who I wasn't familiar with. - Is this what? - His business partner. - I've three business partners. - That I didn't know. Like, so he's like, naturally, he's like, who's this nigga? Like, we already got something going. So I've always felt like there was a little like, standoffishness from him. Because it's like, why would I give away a percentage of some shit I got going already? So naturally, and I feel that. So now, we all have a sit down. We agree on the percentages. So now, first month happens. I do everything I'm supposed to do. Then I'm like, hey, if I'm an equity partner, I want to see the books. They don't show me the books. So I'm like, how? I thought we not doing anything. - I didn't know about this conversation. - I don't know about this conversation. - Mouse, I'm not arguing that it happened. I don't know about this conversation. - I got all the receipts. I said it in the group chat with everybody. I said, let me see the books. 'Cause if I'm an equity partner, I get to see the books. They don't want to show me the books to give me the runaround. And now his business partner is acting super standoffish. Like, when I'm there at the shows, like barely speaking to me or whatever. So I'm like, hold up. Shit seems iffy. - You don't have to say anything. - Which one are you talking about? You don't have to say anything. - No, no, not the guy or girl. - The guy more. - Okay. - 'Cause I didn't even know the girl was an equity partner. So, so now I'm like, shit feels iffy. And I'm not going to be a situation where it's like, we've heard of other podcasts where dudes don't want to show numbers and then it's like, some fucked up shit happening. So now I'm like, yo, until y'all start doing business, right? Then I'll start working, right? And they're not showing me the numbers. So I'm like, I'm not going to prioritize this, put my effort into this business if y'all not going to show me nothing. So that's where shit started goes, that's where there's less clips coming out. 'Cause I'm like, we not doing business as we should. - But, you know what you just said? I'm not mad at that stance that you just noted, that you just made right now. I'm not mad at that. But you didn't voice that. - Yes, I did. - You did not say I'm holding out on clips until y'all did. - Why would I have to say that? Why aren't y'all doing business, right? - Oh, you should say that. - I should say, I'm gonna hold out on clips until you guys are doing business. - I'm gonna hold out this thing I agreed to do. - Okay, cool. - Because I feel like y'all are doing business, right? - Maybe should. But I felt the way, 'cause I'm like, damn. So, mouse is doing this to another black person. Because I know two previous people who have worked for you and you still haven't paid them yet. - Oh shit. - Two of them are not shooting at each other. - Two of them. - Yeah, two of them are mine. - Exactly. - Two of them are mine too. (laughing) These are two people that I paid, that I put money in their pockets, and he's doing this to black people. I'm like, damn, it's another person that you're gonna have to do free work for you and not pay and not compensate them right away. And my thing is like, I didn't expect it from me. - Nicked it. - And that's real quick, 'cause if that's what-- - I'm not y'all partners. - Exactly. - So, you was working for me on this apartment. - I mean, if you guys are making money from throwing a show and I'm not seeing anything, then how am I not getting paid? - Exactly, okay. - No one's getting paid. - Probably didn't make no money. - No one would get this for once into a brand new show. - And so, how would I know this? It shows us selling out books. And I wanna see the books. So, how would I know? - You would say, hey, the same thing you just said, I wanna see the books. - Here, you would say, hey, y'all, this is, I know I'm supposed to do this, but I'm not really comfortable doing this and y'all not showing me this. Nobody could argue what you said. If you have all these text messages and receipts, where's that receipt of you communicating plainly? - That I wanna see the books. 'Cause I can show you multiple times where I ask for that. - Or it. - Or it didn't show me where you said, this is why I'm not doing the thing I agreed to do. - Okay, I'm just asking. - How long has this been lingering? - I've always been lingering for a long time. - But I told you, and this is not even new information. The last time I saw him, I said, yo, I don't fuck with you when I was-- - No, that's not what you said. - Look at that. - That's not what you told me. - You tried to get me, you tried to-- - No, I like fuck with you. - That's not what you said. I like fuck with you. - What did I do that? - I mean, I'm not a big nigga. - Well, listen, for two years, y'all have been-- - I haven't been listening to "Enemocity." - We've been listening to "What's Up?" - And he threw his he fit, and I said, oh, I'm not gonna do this. - But this nigga, but he's the thing, this is his he fit. - Well, listen, listen, okay. - Yeah, you tried to doubt me. I said fuck, I said calmly. I don't fuck with you when I woke up. - You never said that. - But either the y'all have too much history to let simple miscommunication-- - That's what I felt. - Calls this for two years. - That's what I felt. - All I'm hearing is miscommunication. - That's literally all I'm hearing. - Miscommunication. - 'Cause I'm hearing a stolen idea. - Well, then all your ideas-- - Okay, well, you can hold on, hold on. - Okay. - A black comedy show is not proprietorship. You can stop. - Mouse. - There was nothing that what happens at all, what happens at dead ass creatively is from right here. - Yeah. - Every single part. - I wouldn't have that. - I would say why I agree and I disagree. I agree, Alex called you in January. He said he wanted to do something with you. Y'all never did it, but you went and did it six months later. But I agree with you that when he came to you with it, you made it right. - He came to me, am I you? The way Alex came to me, it wasn't clear. And this is an issue. It's not what I keep here from Alex, not clear communication. He feels the way, he's quiet about it, then reacts. So when he comes to me in the beginning, the first time he's like, yo, we're supposed to do this together. I was not acting stupid, I have no renax stupid. I would simply tell you, you're so, that's not what happened. If I literally said to myself, what are you talking about? That must be what he's upset about. I said, what are you talking about, Alex? We're in a midst of a successful show. I don't know what, when we talk about it later on, he's like, yo, we were supposed to do it together. We were supposed to do it together and you stole my idea, are two different statements. - True. - Both? - No. - It is, that's true. - I come to him with an idea that we are supposed to do together. I have, I have my business know how? - Yeah, that's kind of the truth. - I have my production know how. And he has his hosting. We both know comedy. And so I come to him with an idea. And I said, hey, let's do this idea together. - But you're saying we were supposed to do it together. - And. - Can you still mind it? - No, no, no, I'm saying just saying we was hooked the idea and then just did it. So if I give you an idea for a book, it's like, hey, let's write this book together and then you just go off and write the book. - Absolutely. - That's stealing an idea, no? - But didn't he make it right by bringing you into the, and if you've tried to, and then after the first month, I'm like, hey, let's do things the right way. Let me see the books, comment, et cetera. So now if you are pulling the moves you pull, not showing me the books, and then you have a history of not paying people, now I feel a way. And I thought, you and I go back, you shouldn't do this, but I understand maybe his-- - You could speak to me. - Maybe yes I did stop with the bullshit, yes I did. - Alex, how we get from there to the final straw? - How do we get to a resolution? - We good now, I just want to put it out there. Like, we don't, like, to this day. - Yeah, do y'all look. - No, if you don't fucking me, that's just choice. - If y'all didn't look at y'all, then y'all wouldn't be doing this right? - To this day, I love Alex. You know me, a nigga can't make me not love them. He ain't shoot at me, he ain't. He'd rob me, he'd disrespect my family, he ain't doing none of that. We got a different, he believed what he believed, I believe what I believed. The proof is in the pudding. We see what that acid comedy shows don't. We see that. - But do you rob black people? - Do I rob black people? I've robbed black people. - This is silly. - This is silly. - Have you ever had people that work for you? - None of these are silly, haven't they? - Have I? - Yeah, I'm sure. I've been doing this for 11, 10 years. I'm sure somebody is-- - Well, I've heard through lots of black people. It's like, you don't treat them, right? - I don't treat them nice. Or you talk about two people that work for you. - The last time black people had to work and I get paid. - What? - What they call that? - I don't know what they call that. - Can we stop? - I'm just saying. If that's how you treat your own community, that's, hey, that's how you do business. I don't do business. - You want to talk about what you've done to me? - Everybody, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, what you're doing. - Oh, what do I do for my community? - I got sent up by the website. - I got sent up by the neat truck, letting them rub your belly. - What are you doing? - I got sent up. - I got sent you to black and brown and black. - Everybody, I got 17 black and brown and boys. - What do you do? - What do you do? - What do you do? - What do you do? - You don't pay what you do. - Every now and then. - What do you do? - Yeah, all the art. All the art have been loaded out for no reason. - Yes, you did. - I told the truth. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - You have been loaded about. Yes, it's been loaded about. You've started. - It's quite loaded out for no reason here. - This is this miscommunication. - That's I agree, I agree, but what I'm not gonna do, I'm not chasing no grown man. So I said, - What you should though? - I'm not chasing no grown man. - Especially when I didn't know he felt all of this. - Because I think that's y'all both value each other. - When Alex and y'all value the relationship. - When Alex went through that situation, went through that situation, I'm sorry. When Alex went through that situation abroad, I was sitting there, everybody. Yo, my man good, like what we gotta do. I don't know, I'm broke, I'm in the street, but that's my man, I fuck with him. We've had come to take him. I'm like, I love this nigga. What we gotta do to get him home? I do. - I do, I do think it says a lot that he bought you and he gave you 28% after the fact. - That's it. - Now, and now the- - It's obsessed a lot because he knows he was in the wrong. - You know, but you tried to make it right. - Okay, I don't agree that I was in the wrong. There's a miscommunication about the dollar. - So nobody's been in the percentage of a company for no fucking reason. Like, stop. - We gave you a percentage of the company. - It wasn't even a buy-in. Like, I didn't even put money up. - We gave you a percentage. - Because you did all of this, I said, there's no, and there's, there's, there's no- - There's no, mouse, this is before I did anything. - Why would you- - Why would you- - My body would be able to do what we wouldn't be able to afford what this nigga is able to do. We need to give him a percentage. That's why the percentage was one thing. And then we upped it once you set, once you, it voiced how you felt, I said, you know what? I'm gonna take five from me, give it to him. Let's make, let's get this going. 'Cause one thing everybody knows about me in business, I don't want to sit around with they talking about it. Let's go get it done. I believe in Alex. Notice how they say, believe. I still, this ain't nobody in the space do it. This nigga do. - This nigga is A1 at that. - You created an enterprise with this nigga. Ain't nobody fucking with him. - Absolutely. - Whoever is next up, the bar is so separate. The number one is two spot huge. But that don't mean I'm a chase behind you and you throwing his, when you can just talk to me. - You can't be the day to talk to Alex. - You didn't come in the time. - I keep him talking, I even know he was doing it. - You know we was done. - It's outside with some brand-news. - No, I said, where was that when you was doing it? - This is what I told you. - This is okay. - This is the version of "I Can Go." - Like, he acted up. - And y'all love each other. Cut it out. - No fuck with me. - But that's cool. - Y'all had a miscommunication, that's it. - Listen, nobody got shot. Nobody got beat up. - Yeah. - Nobody lost money. - Yeah. - No money did you lose money? - I don't get into it with black people. - I lost time. I wanted to win with my brother. And I realized that that wasn't possible. Now, you could say whatever you want. Even if I acquiescent say, "You know Alex, everything you said was right." The way you went about that last month, that's fuckery. You know it. - Oh, the last month. - Was when he called. - The clips just started up, 'cause I'm not going to. - It wasn't even about for no clips. - You should have said something though. - If I'm asking repeatedly months to see the books and they're not showing me the books. - You say, "Look, there's some fuck shit going on." And I'm not going to say. - And you say, "I'm not doing any of my duties until I see the books," because that was a partner. - True. So that's what I could have did back then. - Yes. - Okay. - That's all. - I don't even care about that part. - But I stand with that. - I don't think it should have got there. - I stand with that point. - Listen, as we're not doing any of the business. - I don't record that. If he is four people in that chat, if he said that and we didn't do that, cool. I'll take the brunt for that. I'm cool with that. I'm cool. - So where does that ask comedy show stand out? - Oh, we great. Brooklyn Improv, we in the New York comedy festival, November 8th, Isaiah Kelly, Cory Bell, Sidney Washington, Sam Jay, you know, we're doing well. We're doing well. - We can't do all this out. (laughing) - We're doing well. - I'm just kidding. - I'm well, man. (laughing) - I just don't like to see if people have issues over miscommunication. - I also want to spoke about it publicly. I want to spoke about it here, if you do that little, like that little snicker, 'cause you know what that, that's a dog with an audience. So I'm like, - With the audience, don't know what the audience is. - No, no, no. - You don't know what that is. - When you said it, you said the comedy show. He said, I said, oh, I didn't want to talk about it. I would have tried to talk to him after. If you want to talk about it, you wouldn't know what it is. - I had the conversation right here, 'cause I think that it is a perfect example of how miscommunication can lead to bullshit and why you should always talk. You know, I want when we're young, they tell us to use our words. Use our words, 'cause literally all of this would have been resolved months ago if it wasn't miscommunication. All I would have to do was say, look, I'm not giving you no clips, because y'all not showing me the books. By the way, which is actually how business should work. - I'm not, have I argued that yet? I've said, if that's how you feel you should did it. What, my only issue with you in the regards that you did that, was the final month. When you hit me 24 hours before show, you didn't say, yo, I didn't see the books in that. You said, 24 hours before show, you said, yo, VIP client got on my equipment, I don't know what to do, I'm out. 24 hours before show. - I get it. You would rather him have just told you what the actual issue was. - Was that, is that what happened? - Yeah. - The VIP client really happened or you, like, you dubbed it. - No, no, no, that happened. 'Cause like, if I'm not seeing the books and I'm not getting none out of this, I'm gonna go get it. - He wouldn't have gotten that to you if he was seeing the books. So then the next month when he hit me, I'm like, bro, yeah, you gotta worry about it. - Would you hit him back about, would you hit him for-- - Follow him might hit me about the date. Like, what time would I be? I said, now we go bro, we go. - Oh, God you, God. - And he's, he does that the day before show. - So y'all did, so do y'all wanna work together in the future? - I don't know if that's possible. I just don't want what this is right here. There's publicly in front of millions of trillions. I have a million people. Just, no, no, no, no, no, no, no way by Alex. We got it out. If Alex don't fuck with me, that's his choice. - Alex, how do you feel? - I feel that on October 29th, everybody can come to my comedy show, cancel comedy, but we put on 22 shows all sold out. We have some of the biggest comics in the city. - Go to that liver of me. - The mouse never performs on the show so you don't have to worry about that. - I did that show. I did that show, that's what I see. - Yeah, I did that show. - I did that show. - I did that show, that's what I see. - I did that show. - He leased it in here. - Nick is a leechy martini. - Let's play some bills and come back, man. Let's play some. (laughing) - I like this, though. This is what, by the way. - Real talk, this is what's supposed to happen. - Real talk, you say how you feel about me? You right, how have you feel? I love you, boy. I don't want none bad to have me. I don't want no issue with you. I love you. If you didn't do that little snicker thing, I wouldn't have said nothing. You doing that snicker thing, you know that's the dog whistle to that audience. - That's such a corny reason, but it's whatever. - I don't wish, I don't wish that. - You didn't do it, you didn't do it, you didn't scarf. - You can't say that, I don't need to know what he's talking about. - I don't need to know what he's talking about. - Nigger, I, I, yes, I didn't do scarf. - Yes, I did. So now you understand why I'm addressing you scarfing. - Nobody knows what's going on. - But me and you do, right? - Yeah, okay. - That was for you. - Right, and I would, and so, I like it. - I get what you say, but for you, for everybody, I don't care. - My issue was simply the way you went about those last months. That was with, you couldn't, I mean. - My issue is you doing n-word business because that's not the way people's do business. - For the cause. - That's my issue. - And the issue is not paid on time, they get overly paid, they're doing good on time. - It's gonna happen to your last editor, but that's fine. - I don't have no last editor, exactly. - This is who I read and don't like you, man. - Yep. - That's fucking shit. (laughing) and come back and talk to that already did that. - No, I guess it's just the mid-rope. You ready? I can't say make it big no more. Okay, I'm trying to get you gay room with away from me. - Never going in, it's never going in. (upbeat music) - All right, let's stop and pay some bills. Everybody will sigh, woo sigh. Okay, tempo, salute to tempo, man. During the week, my schedule is non-stop meetings, errands, late nights and healthy eating is usually the first thing to slip. Tempo keeps me on track with real meals. I can heat in two minutes. 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All right, I want to tell y'all something, man. This guy right here, my man, little John, I only shout so you can hear me, John. I read the manuscript. I don't know what headspace I was in when I read the manuscript. I thought the manuscript was good. I actually thought it was great with this book right here. I only shout so you can hear me. You think you know little John, you have no goddamn idea. Little John has lived a life. Like, it's one of those books that when you're reading, like the first three chapters, you can be like, okay, this needs to be a movie, all right. 'Cause you ain't even get to, you ain't even get to him making it yet. You know what I'm saying? You ain't even get to him in the industry. Just his life, like it really made me, there's just, I don't want to tell too much, but there's this one part of the book, where he talks about his early life, where he says his brother always says that his ad lives came from the fact that it's like John, we used to be in one part of the house. His mom used to be in one part of the house, but his mom used to have to open the window to call him. - Hmm. - They'd be like, you know, John, what? Come upstairs, okay. Like that was the brother, but it's just funny. Like that, imagine that as a comedy watching like, little John as a kid, like on some airy body heaters. - Right, shit, it's some shit like that, but it's funny. - Do you think his personality put him in a box the way that people are so surprised that he's human and has this story? - It shouldn't because little John is one of the top three to five hip-hop personalities ever. - Top. - Three to five. - He's the pop personality. - Easily, and he's so versatile. Like little John can go from making the wildest krunk record that make you want to fight to making a sultry love song, then going to the white boy, the dude shot shot shot. Like he can do, he's so versatile. He's the cable tin. - He did do, kid. - Yeah, what do we, like John is one of the most versatile producers ever. - I think that would be something I want to ask him like, in real time, while he's, you know, going from krunk and going into all these different musical, music forms like are people taking him seriously? Because the game, because it's back then, it's easy to just go with the gimmick. - Well, the numbers in charge. - I think people are like flatter sometimes. - The numbers in charge showed us that they took him serious. But, sleuth is little John, sleuth to Paul, can't to Paul, you did a fantastic job. You and John did a fantastic job. Only shots you can hear me is out October 20th. Okay, it's out this, this Tuesday. This Tuesday, courtesy of my book in Print Black privilege publisher, man. So, make sure you go get that. And I want to thank everybody who came out to the six annual mental wealth expo this weekend in New York, New Jersey at the Joel and Diane Bloom. Well, this is an event sent us. Leuth and my good sister, Debbie Brown, what an event you curated, man. Yeah, it's just, it's just, it's just one, the mental wealth expo, this is one of those things you just got to be there. To really experience what it is. To see all of these people coming there because they're really looking for solutions. - Yeah, have my boy kid, is. - Fat ways to heal him. - Kill. - Kill games. - Oh, kill him, yep, kill him. - That's my guy. - Kill him to the workshop desk with my guy, kill him, man. - So, when you say that, uh, Debbie curated it. So, like, you were kind of more hands off with the programming? - Yeah, okay. - I mean, there's, you know, I recommend certain people, but Debbie picked everybody, curated all of the panels, the different topics, it was, it was fantastic, man. Fantastic. But speaking of things that aren't fantastic, did he took a beating in prison? Okay, click that one, Chris, from the shower posse boss. Okay, salute to the shower posse. I'ma be honest with you, I didn't, I thought the shower posse, I didn't know that they were, well, no, I'm about to say I didn't know they still existed, but no, this, this sounds about right there. They should all be there. - They been in all that prison. - Yeah, they're all locked up. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, they're all locked up. But I hadn't heard shower posse in so long, right? But I'm like, oh shoot, you know, you see the YouTube videos where they tell you about the shower posse, so did he got into it? I knew when I heard the story about did he, having the Jamaicans cook for him, he was gonna have an issue. - Why? - Because that means that if they're cooking for him, then they're not cooking for somebody else. You think it's a coincidence? - It can't be entrepreneur's. - But you have multiple people they're cooking for? - Yeah, but then you're fucking up, you fucking up the order of things. There's still the order of things in prison, yo. - It ain't there. - Did he there for a short stint? This brother right here is there for 23 years. So if I'm him, I'm feeling the way like, oh, you coming here over a couple of years, fucking up the order of things, not just fucking up the order of things, you making shit hot for us in here. - You know what it is? - What? - Capitalism. - Hey. - Did he came in there or that money? - Yeah. - They gonna go, they gonna go that high is better. - Well, guess what, what's the name? What's the name? - Dutters. - Guess what Dutters did. - Dutters guy. - He got scared to do. - What? Who's he going up side to capitalist head? - Oh, okay. - He ain't sitting around. - He didn't want one. - Listen, no, you won't. - The last, the last? - He ain't going this one. - Not that. - Nobody's, nobody's, I'm just saying. - I'm just saying. - Tyson lost one. - They said he had to be taken to the hospital. All I'm simply saying is, Dutters has had a problem with capitalism. - He had a problem with it. - I'm with it. - I'm with it. - Okay. - I'm with it. - Line it up. - What, you know what it is? - What's with going on? - You know, I ain't going to, you know what to do. I'm not encouraging this in the no way shape before. - It's not like you're uncomfortable. - I'm just simply saying, instead of sitting around complaining about capitalism, Dutters was like, nah bro. This is the order of things. By the way, it's prison. So it's the different rules and their different laws. Did he knew that? Did he should have got in good with him? I don't disagree with that. - You gotta go top of the food chain. Like you gotta go top of the food chain. You're not about to come in there and play it. And I'm not saying that he did this. This is just my personal speculation. This is just all speculation. You're not about to come in here and play my boss and have everybody in here giving you massages and cooking you food and putting money on their books and making us hot. Now we done all got searched. Now we done got all our shit taken away because of you. - No, not when I gotta be here for 23 years. - Yeah, not. - And you out here in another year or so? - I'm not mad at that. I'm just, this nigga really might be a supervillain. - Who? - Diddy. - I told you all that. - He really might be a supervillain. - He, he, he, he, he. - Last week he beat niggas up in the jail. - I mean, if he was a punk. - He living like Paul Lee. - Nobody, nobody ever said diddy was a punk. - Not a individual. - Yeah, you ain't, you ain't. - On the watchman call it. - What? - Went on 50 documentary and he was saying he a punk, he's getting in on fighter. - I can't tell. All the fights we don't heard about diddy getting in. Let's see know who to try. - You know what I'm saying? - Let's see know who to try. - Aren't you going to Diddy's party? - No. - When you come home? - I didn't go to Diddy's party before. I'm not going to Diddy's party now. You know what that's for me. - What if, what if, what if. - No. - That's for a dead ass comedy show. - Oh yeah, in public. - Come on. - You let Diddy into the dead ass comedy show? - We're supposed to turn them away. - Yes, you, you got to. - I got to everyone. - As much as you talk. - I like Diddy, I like the music, I like the music man. It's for, he's going to be a apologize. I don't like to show it. - Yeah, I'm doing it. - I hate you. - I hate you. - I hate you. - Diddy's a producer. - Okay, okay. - How you get rid of all his music? - I'm with you. You can't out this. - He's a producer. It ain't like Archelle Lee or anybody else that anybody has an issue with. We're talking about a producer. - Archelle Lee's a producer. - All right. - Yes. - Sure. - Diddy's was a marketer. - Archelle Lee's a producer and writer. - Right. - Which I always thought is weird 'cause he say he can't read. - I think it's okay to separate the art from the artist, yeah. - You can. - The only reason it's hard with Archelle Lee is because he made songs like-- - He made this song. - Yeah, A.J. nothing but a number and shit like that. - Like that's the difference. - But what did he-- - You can separate the art from the artist, yeah. - Because it's multi-tier. - Break that down. - So if you, you can separate the art from the artist because he's the third party, fourth party on the right. You gotta, if it's a 112 song, you gotta go through the 112 guys who ever wrote this song. - So I'm not giving up bad boy music. I'm telling y'all that. - I don't have nothing to do with the music. - I agree. - Do you know what I mean? - Bad boy music is too, we've had this conversation. Bad boy music is just too important to the era I grew up in. - I can't. - I'm just, it's just, it's not even possible. - But I'm also not, I'm not the type of person to like impose that on others. Like I post a video to other day to have people mad. Well, I'm like, yo, DJ's gotta stop playing Archelle Lee and rooms that people don't want hear Archelle Lee. Like, that's weird. - How do you gauge that what that room is though? - If you're in a room full of people that got industry jobs, who, if they're caught on video singing this song, it could turn bad for them. You shouldn't, you shouldn't play this. - I still think you gotta separate the art from the artist, man. I really do. I think you gotta separate the art from the artist simply because. - I got so many. - Nah, I can't speak for Archelle Lee. But at the time that we, in the times we all grew up on this music, we didn't know it. We don't know what these people do. We don't know what none of these people are doing and they personal. - That's a group. - Well, once you find out, that's the, - I don't make the, that's gonna make the music. - It doesn't make the music. - You can't, you can't erase what a person was. - I don't think there's an art big enough to make me okay. Me personally, I'm not talking about everybody. I don't wanna speak for everybody. Me personally, I don't believe, I had not encountered art good enough that would make me challenge my morals. - I don't think that's moral though. - I don't think 90% of the art you probably appreciate is made by morally compromised people. - Absolutely, yeah. - I don't know what about it. I say 99. - John, John, let him beat me. - I don't want him to blame me. - I would not go to a show or support him going forward. - I just couldn't take Hallelujah seriously. - I know I'm not supposed to do that. - Right. - Right. - I think there's no nuance there. We know the man suffers from mental health issues. We know the man was manic. Nothing about what that man was doing. You would look at and say, you know that is somebody. - You know what's crazy though? Why didn't people refuse the record that right? - Because. - Like somebody who got to save people from themselves. - Capitalism, that's why. The studio engineer said, I'm going to make this money. The person shooting the video, I'm going to make this money. - Hold on, so what's your thing with capitalism? We kept bringing it up. - Oh, capitalism. - Your anti-campola? - Yes, absolutely. - But he's a capitalist. - I'm not a capitalist. - Well, I mean you're wearing Nike sneakers and Nike hats. - You're wearing Nike sneakers and Nike hats. - I'm a capitalist because I live in a capitalist society. - But you still participate. - You participate in capitalism. - Right, everyone participates in capitalism if you live underneath a capitalist society. - If you smoke a cigarette or you smoke a cigarette. - If you smoke a cigarette. - Yeah. - Okay, so you're a capitalist. - No, be a capitalist, you have to have capital. - You have capital. - I have capital. - I make, I have capital. - You had capital when you were a kid. - I heard it. - You were a capitalist now. - I'll make a show. - Clearly, I don't even have capital. I got to give capital to Alex. - And by the way, you're the owner of the Dead As Conference Festival. - Right. - You're the owner. So you are absolutely. - Yeah, it's a capital. You have been like, everybody owns the Dead As Cap. - That's not capitalism. - You're all over that. - No, you're trolling. - You're trolling. - That's capitalism, man. - It's not capitalism. - He's trolling because you're an owner. - That's capitalism. - You should have said, this hall is free. Everybody come in and get some great comedy. - No, because I live in a capitalist society which means you have to have currency to take care of yourself. - No, no. You could go off and live off the land. - Damn. - You can. - Yes, you can go farm. You can live off the land. - To get the farm. - To get the farm, you would have to have. - You can be off the grid. You can build your own house. - You can. - You can. - You can. - You build your own house using supply. You can. - You can. - You can chop down some trees. - Right. - I would have to get nails. - You want to know. - Have to get something to chop down. - Do you want to know the textbook definition? - Yes, I would. I know it, but go for it. - Capitalism is an economic system in which individuals and businesses can privately own property, create companies, sell goods and services and make money from no activities. - We live in a capitalist society. - Yes. - Capitalism. - No, I'm not. - You can. - All right. - I survived capitalism. - Your owner, you started a company. - Right. - You sell a good. - You sell a service. - Yes. - You're a capitalist. - No. - I'm surviving capitalism. - Stop. - What? - I don't make sense. - Once again, things need to be a capitalist. You have to have capital. - You got it. - You got it, boss. - A lot of negatives. Alex, you believe you're a capitalist. - Yes. - You get people. - Yeah, like fairly enough. - You put money in people's pockets. You gave Alex equity in a company. - Woo, you're a big capitalist. - That's what I'm saying, bro. - You were not here, right? You're a big capitalist. - Now how capitalism works? And you know, we've had this conversation privately and now you're trolling people, probably. - No. Capitalism. - You have capitalists. You have to first have capitalists. - You have it. - I don't have currency because that is how you pay for things in America. - Capitalism. - What's the line between currency and capital? - Capitalists. - When you graduate from currency into capital. - I don't have, I don't have that answer. - No, but what would be? Like what, when would you feel like-- - I think when you can begin to affect people's livelihood that separates you. - You do. - Mickey, you do. - I affect your livelihood. - All right. - If you have-- - If you have an employee. - Yes. - You affect their livelihood. - If you're paying an employee, you're affecting their livelihood. If you don't pay an employee, you're affecting their livelihood. Mouse, what do you mean? - The. - That you'll say. Even if you pay somebody just $300. - $300 is going to their rent. - That's $400. - Y'all are intentionally trolling right now. - No. - Everyone understands. - No. - Capitalism is built around five major principles. Private ownership. Individuals and businesses can own land, buildings, companies, and other assets rather than the government owning everything. Profits. Businesses generally operate to make money. If you create something people want, you can sell it for more than they cost to produce. Competition. Businesses compete for customers. Ideally, competition encourages better products. improve services and lower prices, supply and demand, prices are largely determined by what people want and how much of it is available. Investment, people can use their money to purchase assets up right there. Businesses with the expectation of generating more. Stop right there, those five principles come from a book called Capitalism, right? That is the textbook definition of the book. That is when they first gave it a name, that is the name they gave it. Is that what's performed today in America and across the world? Yes. Now we're like, okay. Yes. What are you talking about? Absolutely. It's all the same system that made it possible for Chattel's Labor. Capitalism, that's what this is. Yes. So what are we talking about? Capitalism wouldn't made people property for 400 years. What are we talking about here? What are we talking about? Capitalism. That's what you're standing next to. No, we're not supposed to. A system that creates. We're in the system. Yes. We're in the system. I'm not trolling. What I'm saying is, if you don't want to be part of a capitalist system, which is fair, there are ways and people who try to throw out American history to operate outside of it. Bridges, I don't know. I was reading about a group called the Diggers in San Francisco in the 60s where they set up a whole system where they provided free food and they threw free concerts and everything was about communal ownership. How did they do that? How did they get the capital to do that? Well, generally, trolling. No, no. It's a real question. It's a real question because generally what happens when people try to set up the systems is they do need funding from somewhere. Yeah. And they almost always get it from capitalists who already have money, who give it to them, and then they set up these more socially dynamic organizations. And that when you usually throw the up to the compassionate but that's when I don't understand people who are, you know, who go on these anti-capitalism rants because what they'll say is, hey, we're going to raise money. But raise money from who? Because if you don't agree with capitalism, you shouldn't even want to take a capitalist month. The Black Panther's got a lot of their money from white capitalists in Hollywood. The Black Panther's actually true, but that is also a strategy, a portion. The difference, you say a lot of money, a portion of it came from that. The other came from people just literally what I believe in the community. In the community. Right. Just saying, hey, we talk about they also sold goods. They sold goods. Yeah. Which is something you do in any system. In any system, capitalists, come in any system, there is something you have to barter. There's some type of courage. Oh, so there's also a philosophy called bleeding the beast, right? And a lot of people strive to that, which is like, look, there's this beast that has the money and has the capital and has the power. We're going to take some of that as a way to slowly drain it, to build up something on our own that's going to replace the beast. And I never, and I don't believe in that because you're simply just taking funds from one person and giving it to another who it's eventually going to corrupt. So I'm just asking like, what's the way if you don't believe so. Real, real, I like so, so, so, so, so. Real socially. I like, um, hold me, make sure I'm using the right term. Last time I said I was a, he said it to you, the social Democrat. No, you're a social Democrat. I like the term social, I don't like to be labeled nothing, but I like the term social Democrat. Social democracy is a center left political and economic ideology that supports a mix of capitalist market economies and comprehensive state intervention to promote social and economic equality. So they want regulated capitalism, they accept a market-based economy while using state regulation, taxation and policy to control excess, welfare state aims to provide universal public services, including healthcare, education, housing, and social security, income redistribution focuses on narrowing the gap between rich and poor through progressive taxation and safety nets. Democratic process, chronally rejects revolutionary, authoritarian methods operating strictly within multi-party constitutional democracies and labor rights. Support strong trade unions, collective bargaining and worker participation and management. Social democracy, that's what I like. And that's the best case scenario. We're living in that right now. And they're trying to stand away from something. In New York, they're social democratic policies and there's an opposite of the social democrats and office, but we're not living it. Now America has welfare. The fact that we even have welfare and we have social programs to take care of people, that is a version. We're not doing the best version of it, but we, this is not just the capitalist society. We do take care of people. There's a society. This is a collaborative society. We don't take care of people. The fact that we have welfare, the fact that we have social security. But right now, all the little things are being cut. We currently live in this. And look at the look at the acrobat that the people who actually get it have to go through to get it. Yeah, but I'm just saying it's still there. It exists. But that's like me saying, I'm going to start a cult, but it got Christian ties. So I believe in us taking offer and I believe, I believe us, I believe us saying that the hail marries, but all this other terrible stuff happens over here. It's not a Christian cult. It's a cult. Well, Christian, we are Christian. It wouldn't be a Christian cult because you're doing all the things that you're, the minute you perverted, it's not that thing anymore. That's the belief I am. All right, Matt, so I'm going to give you a challenge. What's the, what's the worst aspect or one of the worst aspects of capitalism? One of the worst to me, wealth inequality, wealth inequality, the wealth order, wealth equality and exploitation. That's generally, yes, all living the same place. No more sneakers. I'm not going to name the brand. Okay. From any brand that I should wear in shoes. No, you can wear shoes. Okay. Just not from a brand that exploits its workers. So every brand exploits its workers. Not all of them. Every single one of them. From your Tom's, all the way up to your Nike's. All done. Somebody is being shot out all done shoes. Yeah, there are brand massachusetts. All right. What's that? Hand made in massachusetts. It's the type of shoes that I would try. They're like some of the best shoes you can buy. I'm talking about look-wise. How do you look? Fire. Look it up. All done shoes. The indie is like, I have like this. I've never heard nobody ask about all of them. All done? Look, all of them are stocking. You guys are playing yourselves right now. I'm just going to stop right now. I don't know. I don't know it. What I'm saying is definitely not even finance. Not even finance, man. Like a lot of people like those shoes. But I'm curious, what do you like about socialists? What I like about socialism is there's no one person to pervert everyone else. There's no person that is, there's no person or there's no system that is, find me the exploitation in socialism. You would also have to find socialism done properly. Yeah. When have you seen it done properly? I haven't seen anything done properly. I haven't seen capitalism done properly. I haven't seen socialism done properly. Unless you're telling me that. What's interesting about this when you talk to people who come from socialist countries, they think it's horrible. It doesn't work. It doesn't work. Exactly. Why would you want it? But capitalism doesn't work. I think a lot of people love America more than they love more. I got more people die from the symptoms of capitalism every day than any other thing. Cancer, gunshots. More people are dying from this. I don't know. I mean, I don't know. I mean, that's not a real thing. It is a real thing. I get what he's saying. What he's saying is it's actually people die of poverty every day. Okay. You know, they die of wealth and equality every day. And where does that happen in a capitalist country? The country that is responsible for the richest man in America or in the world is also we go outside and there are bombs. Sorry. Unhoused people sleeping. I want I want you to hit us, right? There's kids dying that cannot afford health care. Parents can't afford health care. Kids are dying. No, I get what there is. But then do you also agree with living in a country where you go to eight years of college and become a doctor and this person is driving a Uber and you think you two should make the same amount of money? If everyone's on board, yes. If everyone's on board, yeah, I don't think because you guys think about why would you strive to be a doctor? I don't know. I'll tell my time. Right. To Alex's point, know a Uber driver should not make as much as a doctor, but a Uber driver should be able to take care of all his basic, absolutely the same way that doctor should do. Uber should have social health care. Or Uber should be able to, you know, make sure his kids get a proper education. The Uber driver should be able to afford day care. His the Uber driver's basic needs should be met in our country. That makes as much money as America. People's basic needs should be met. So all I'm saying, yeah, but that's social, but also that's not that's like still capitals that's not social. That's an open market. That's the right. That's a free market. Sure. What I'm saying is if we're saying this or we're having this abrasion to that to the Uber driver and I might sound so left saying this all so great saying this, I'm not if everyone's on board. If we don't have any of the outside shit in our head, why doesn't a Uber driver and a doctor? Why are they not able to live this same life? Because America doesn't take care of people's basic needs and they should. That's all I'm saying. And by the way, by the way, by the way, America has every resource in means to do that. So what they don't. So that is why I say to you, I wouldn't mind that if everybody's on board, the only time I get upset is when everybody's not playing fair, don't Don't tell me that the Uber driver can have this and a doctor can have this, but then this nigga up here, this isn't where it up is, can have this. No, no, no, no, no. He's talking about basic needs. Let's make crazy needs. I agree with what you're saying. I mean, you weren't here last week. I said, I'm about to become a single issue voter, University Health Care. Oh, you heard it, right? So like, I think it's a very, I think the thing that's interesting or sad or depressing about America is how this is. This isn't something that should even have to be argued or debated, right? Like, we have the resources, all I'm saying. And we've been tricked into equating these basic needs and universal health care, housing food, what have you with communism, or transfer, if you have that, oh my God, you're going to have trans people in your daughter's bathroom. You can't, you know, we've tricked people into thinking that these things are somehow mixed up in something that's anti-American or anti- there. And it's nonsense. And I think the other part of it is, I think the other part of it is, America sells the dream of the American dream, which is it's better to give up these basic rights now because you have this ability to get to the very, very top that you don't have in any other country, right? And this is the only system where people will defend, they will defend the person's right to keep their foot on their neck. Right. You know why? Because the aspiration. So the dream? That's right. The aspiration of the law or the aspiration is such a strong drug. Right. Y'all sound so crazy. Y'all know stuff you're talking about, fight capitalism, why can't I want to make the likelihood of these people fighting against me and people that believe like I believe, the likelihood of them touching the type of money that they are trying to support, never going to happen. Never going to happen. The likelihood of them, they get mad, you know how I love Jay-Z, you get mad, I bring up something, I may not agree politically with Jay-Z, you'll never the likelihood of you coming from your circumstances at best, you'll never touch a temple way he made. But that's most, that's what most dreams are made of. Yeah. And that's the problem. A dream should be attainable to all. Everybody should have. Depends what the dream is. No. It. Depends what your scale set is. I think it works. I think it works. I think it works. People hear me say that anything, I'm not arguing it's a merit-based, I'm not. Yeah. People should. But I think it was obtainable for a while. For most people. Now look, throughout American history, there have always been groups that have been marginalized at the point that they couldn't. And it's obtainable. But I'm saying. Do away with the system. Think about a period where there are factories making cars in Detroit and the Midwest. And you have. And who was employed? Who was employed? Mainly white people. But also. You know, there was. Some black people, right? But then there was a lot of black people that weren't employed, which means that the same system that made it possible for chattel slavery now has remnants that are living hundreds of years later during this boom where capitalism seems to be working for everybody. It's not working. Give it. You can. It was working better, is what I'm saying. You can work to improve the system. Like the way you're talking, it's like so radical, "Hey, let's do away with the system." And that's something. That's something that's like. It's a conversation, "Ender." Because it's like people. If it's a conversation, "Ender, you're having a conversation with people." The best I've seen at work in my lifetime was the 90s under Bill Clinton. That didn't work. Why didn't we keep saying that worked? No. I'll tell you why. The people that's getting out of jail right now over non-violent offenders. How did that work? I'm just talking about the economics system. The economics system, what led to them to even be susceptible to be locked up behind that crime built in the first place. No, no. That's not necessarily true. I give what you're saying. I'm not saying that poverty was eliminated. I'm just saying that the best I've seen at work. The best numbers that lead in the people. No, not even just the numbers. I wasn't even in the numbers back then. I'm just talking about being in most corner of South Carolina on a dirt road and seeing people do their version of what they thought was driving. And hearing my uncles and my father saying, "How good the economy." Where would you live in? Where would you live in during that time? In the 90s. Probably still in a single. Yeah. We were still living in a single watch trailer. It didn't work. Am I going to South Carolina? You didn't work. And I think you. Not necessarily. I think you felt that way because the wage gap hasn't separated as big as it is right now. So during that time, even a person who had was a lot closer to a person who didn't have. So it seemed like we were doing better than we were. Right now, this wage gap is exploded to the fact that the person. I like that thought. Even bigger, even to me, even bigger than the wage gap, if people's basic needs could be met. If you're going to need for a. No, no. You were living in a trailer in a state where people who were living on plantations. So I said, "I live in a mansion." What'd you say? Yes. If those. If the people. That's where you lived. No, no, no, no. Look what I'm saying. I miss what I'm saying. If you're telling me. What's basic needs do you? People should have. Food clothing shelter healthcare. Education. You said shelter? I said food clothing shelter healthcare. Access to education. You cannot do away with it. You can't do that. No, no. First and right, I would like for. Even in that environment, I would like for the schools that kids attend to at least be schools you would want to be in. But what's education also pointing you towards? A better career. A aspiration. A aspiration of a better career. And the problem with real communism is there's no room for aspiration. Yep. Social communism. Right. Social communism. Social communism. Social communism. Social democracy. Social democracy. Social democracy. Social democracy. Listen, I want you all to listen to this real quick. What y'all think of that? That's the key. This is Eddie Glow. I saw Eddie Glow on the 154 Africa pocket. And I like Eddie Glow. I like Eddie Glow. I would love to see him and John whole Brian have a comment. Who is Eddie? Who is Eddie for those of us like me who don't know? He comes on MSNBC, the political analyst, put up Eddie. Let me show Eddie some respect, man. Pull up Eddie Glow. Pull up his actual. Financial. EDDI-E-G-L-A-U-D-E, I believe it. G-A. G-L-A. Yeah, there you go. Yeah, American academic. I've seen Eddie, sorry. An author. Like, I mean, he's got. One of the smartest people I've ever heard speak. He's got a million books. I like hearing them talk as well. But he was on the 154 Africa podcast. And Eddie, I'd love to have you on Breakfast Club. If you ever feel like you would want to be there. But the headline is black millionaires not helping poor blacks. Let's listen. Reagan gave us so less the lie that if we create more millionaires, if we cut taxes and boost business folk, they're going to then make more money than they're going to invest that money and they will trickle down every day on their folk. The Reaganomics. George HW Bush called it voodoo economics. Right? And so you say, okay, the evidence is in. That doesn't work. Trickle down economics just simply doesn't work. So why are you assuming that the multiplication of black millionaires will trickle down and help poor black people? That's right. That's all we need is more JZ's. Well, if we talk to Colin Coppernick, we know JZ's politics ain't quite what we might take them to. Right? If we think about did he and did it? What are we thinking about is going to trickle down in the form of philanthropy? So what is the assumption that more black CEOs will generate benefit for the most vulnerable among us? Right? It shows that we're not applying the same standard of analysis that we would apply to the general circles because we're assuming some level of solidarity and some level of solidarity that we can't assume or presume. Right? So I don't hold a view that making more black millionaires or billionaires will necessarily help the folk in Krenshaw. Yeah. I don't see that. I will. Right? A shift in the economic system whereby, you know, you don't have as many billionaires. Because then those are the folk who are hoarding resources. Yes. Right? The fact that we have an idea of a trillionaires. Hmm. It's insane. One person. That's evil. That's evil. That's evil. The worst person. Do it. Yeah. And you think about the number of the richest people in the world. How would you stop? Because that's also the beauty of America. Like, how would you stop a person from becoming a billionaire or stop a person from being a trillionaire? Right. Overwind for it. That's why you could have stopped her success. Right. You could have stopped Michael Jordan's success. Right. So you stopped. So the thing is you have a way in which there's certain amounts, certain amount of resources that come in that you tax, that then again redistribute it, that has an impact. You don't gut. But why don't you stop it? No, stop it. No, no. Think about it. We had a tax rate in the 1960s and 50s. That was above 54, 50, 50 plus percent among the riches of the rich. And we were fine. But what did we see in order to make this world possible? I think it was like 90 something. I can't remember the actual number. But what has it made possible? A world America's class structure is like a driving a driver in a golf bag. I like any cloud of life. What did you think of what you just heard? I think he said everything I've been saying. I think that there's a lot of assumptions made about statement. Because do I think a black millionaire or black billionaire can change the social economic conditions of a whole people? that a system has spent 400 years beating down, no. But I can't assume that that person is not doing something. All I'm simply saying is you can't assume to know what people are not doing. You're making a hell of an assumption. But the biggest thing that I want to ask about, and I want to ask you about this, Chris, is I don't understand why we don't understand we think taxing billionaires is going to be the end-all be-all. And the reason I say that is because we watch this country tax the fuck out of people now, make trillions of dollars in taxes, and that money doesn't go where it needs to go. So why do we think if we tax billionaires even more that that money is going to trickle down in our communities? They don't give a fuck about Black people. - If you tax, okay. - They don't give a fuck about them. They don't give a fuck about brown people. - But it's a loop, right? - Is it? - Yeah, it is a loop because-- - Oh, yes. - You don't tax billionaires, right? And then you say, "But the laws don't support providing services for brown and black people," or a lot of poor people for that matter. I mean, you can look and see what's happening to poor white farmers right now or struggling with white farmers. A lot of people are suffering, but then you also have-- - Taxes don't benefit people. I haven't taxed people for people. - That's because the laws, the laws-- - Alex just told you about the snap benefits in order to-- - You're right about that too. - But listen, the laws and the policies have not made that sort of help and support a priority, right? We can all agree on that. The real question is, who's writing the laws and the-- - There you go. - And guess what? - It's there, you tax the billionaires. - It's the billionaires. So, will the money, it's not as simple as, we're gonna take money out of this billionaire's pocket and spread it around to a million poor people, right? That's not how it works. So, I think the idea is, as you lessen the influence and influence is directly tied into money and we happen to be living under the most transactional President and American history right now where that's been amplified to degrees we didn't think were possible. As you lessen the influence of billionaires by taxing them, by capping them, whatever it looks like, hopefully the laws will start to reflect the majority of the people instead of a very select handful of people. - And that's what protecting their best interests. - I agree with that, but even before the Trumps, when other people were in office, you still didn't see it. You still didn't see those trillions of dollars and the billions of dollars in tax, we weren't taxing the billionaires. - How much you think America made? How much you think America made last year in Texas? - How much you think, Chris? - Last year. - Made in Texas, I couldn't even-- - Federal, just federal government, just federal. - I'm still against the trillion. 5.23 trillion, 14.3 billion collected every day, 597 million collected every hour, 9.96 million collected every minute, $166,000 a second. You telling me we can't pay for free health care? - Oh, of course we can. - We know we can't pay for it. - You're telling me that people in foreign, different franchise areas, schools can't be better. - How much you said it was? - You're telling me that there has to be food, doesn't it? - How much you said it was again? - 5.23. - 5.23. - And that's without taxing the billionaires. - And I'm mad at what you said. - But my point is, even without taxing the billionaires, all those trillion dollars aren't getting to the people. - Why? - Because the billionaires have influenced those - I think it's what Chris is saying, but I don't necessarily, I just think that some America is designed to keep a certain cast of people, black people at the bottom. - I'll even go for it. - Even with taxing the billionaires, it would not benefit us. - I think it's designed to keep poor white people at the bottom too, but they tricked the poor white people by saying, hey, this might not be great, but it's a lot better than black spending control, and it's a lot better than blacks having more than you, and they've been going along with that. - I'll go for it in 400 years, it's fucking nuts. - Four people, four. - The rich white man has convinced the poor-- - Or white man. - That's even worse. - That they don't got shit because of nicks. I'm only using that word for emphasis. - Right. - Okay, and by the way, you could take that in word and change it to multiple different things. It can be black people, it can be immigrants, it can be trans, like you can change it to, if it's always a normal man. - Right, that's it. - This might not be great, but man, imagine if the trans could use the bathrooms. - And all of that goodness. - And all of that, oh my goodness. I just want to ask the question now, 'cause I just want to know, I'm like, I agree. - Billionaires should be taxed, these companies should be taxed. - Billionaires should not exist. - I'm not gonna say that. There should be a level where, hey, you're done. The oldest extra money goes to this. You're done. - I can't say that. - I don't, I think it's time. I never used to believe in it, but we're seeing, it's not working. - It's not a reality. - What? - Like, let's do a reality. That's not going to happen. - All of this everything we're talking about right now is not reality. - We're never going to put a cap on how much money some of everything we're talking about. - There's never going to be a salary cap in life. - And we're also never going to take money out of politics. We're also never going to, what was the conversation we had before? I don't think the day kids in Gaza is going to stop anytime soon, but if we're not at least talking about it, we're worse. - Talking about it don't do number of razor-coated levels. Because the reality is you've got to start thinking about real solutions. - And the real, let me say this better. I would rather deal with the reality of things so we can come up with some real solutions. - But we are dealing with real solutions. - But I think the real solutions come from people on the far left proposing things that aren't realistic, but they make so much noise that it loses control for a corner. - So unrealistic. - Because they are unrealistic. - In our lifetime. - Imagine if you just start taxing billionaires. Billionaires are just going to take that money and go elsewhere. - So let them go. - So then we, you're not getting anything. - That's at least right now you get something. - It's a tax billionaires. - All I'm simply saying is I want the tax dollars to go where they actually should go. - And the only way you can go that is by affecting the billionaires who have the influence. I'm going a little different. Have influence over the law makers. You got to get that money out of politics. Who's the people that got the most money to win? - What if you get the right money in politics? - No, there's no such thing. - Why not? - There's no such thing. - I'd hide it all the democracies to run to all the time. George Soros. - George Soros. - And that's wrong. That's wrong. That's wrong. - How is that wrong? - You shouldn't be able, you should not be able to influence the outcome of a law of an election. None of that. Politicians stop being pussy. Take the money. - Politicians stop being pussy. - Yeah, I've been saying this. - Take the money. But don't be beholden to the person. - But you can't because you took the money. - No, the money has to go out. - The money just means I can get you on the phone. But I'm not going to be bending to your will every time you fucking call. - That's how it should be. - Yeah, but that means when they come knocking action from a money, they'll be like, "Oh, well, you ain't do what I said." So I'm going to be beholden. - Because what you said didn't make no sense and it didn't benefit people. - Because that's right. - So now I'm going out here and as a politician with a microphone and a voice, I'm going to go out here and tell everybody, "Hey, I took this amount of money "from said person, but he wanted me to do X, Y, and Z." That X, Y, and Z didn't benefit the people. - So now I didn't do it. So now he don't want me to apologize. - So now I need grassroots dollars from you guys. - So now the politics is, so now politics is stock X. Now it's the sneaker market. - Why not? - That's, no. - Why not? - Why wouldn't you put, why, why? - You don't want me. - By the way, what do you think? - The minute you take money from anyone, in any way of transaction, you are now beholden - That's not true. - The thing you agree to. - That's not true. - That's not true. - That's the one thing I agree. - That's not true. - We got one thing to report to that. - That's the mindset, I don't agree with it. Because the reality is, that's like, okay, you got employees, right? Alex, you got employees, I got employees. We pay our employees. So you're hiring essentially just a bunch of it. Yes, me, that's going to tell you what you want here. - Your company, no, I'm not. Your company will never be there. - You're trying to run the government like a company and that's why the government is a company. That's why we're in the shit, we're in now. - That's a business. - That's a horrible example. We have employees and we pay these employees. So now if we tell their, our employees to do something, can they tell us no, they can push back and be like, I don't think we should do that. And then I'm like, I pay you, I'm telling you, this is what you need to do. This is your job. - And if they say no, then what happens? They get fired and the name don't get it in more money. - Okay, let me give you a better example. That's the way. - I don't like that because that's like, we're so far, like, so that extreme is so far to the other side of your life. - You can't say no. You can't say no. - I'm on point. - No, no, no, no. You can push back, but at the end of the day, you have to do your job. And if you got hired to do your job, and now I'm telling you, hey, do your job. - What if you're asking me to do is a blind spot to you and it's something that's detrimental to my company, detrimental to the whole company, which is your company, but I'm just an employee, but I'm like, what is your duty? - Boss, if I do this, I don't think I should do this because the X, Y, and Z reason. So you can say that, but then I as the boss can say, hey, I'm still telling you, even if you feel this is going to be bad for me, I have to live with that decision. - You said they hired you to do it. - Imagine if they don't do it, you now let them go, and now they don't get any more money. - That mindset is the problem with politicians. Politicians need to stop acting like their employees of these corporations. - Yes, they are. - So getting there. - But they don't have to be. You don't have to be our key employee. - Yes, you do. - Oh, listen. - Yes, you do. Her key job, you gotta dance the way he dances because he keeps taking that money. - You can act money. - That's why. - You can buck back if you choose to. - Okay, but. - If you choose, then you can. - Have you ever seen a politician buck back, Chris? - Not a black one. - Not that jumps to mind, but one question I've always had is, okay, in the past, you had to take money from these corporations because that was the way you got your messaging out through ads on TV, print, what have you. in the world of social media, what do you think that getting that money isn't as necessary because-- - No, 'cause you still gotta pay for the ads. Everything is, everything is, nothing is, hey sound like this, nothing is what you see. You still gotta pay for the ads. - No, I'm gonna go out on it. - You mean the ads are-- - Like the digital market-- - Who's still gotta pay for the ads? - Who's paying the ads, the visibility. - And everyone's doing it. - I believe you still have to have a real connection with people. And I think that's where politicians have lost their way because they think that the corporate dollars it was what we'll get them in these offices. Yo, I love the VP. VP raised over a billion dollars. - She had over a billion dollars when she can't-- - One day, she had like that. - And 107 days, it was like 100 plus-- - 100 and 7 days. - 100 plus billion dollars and 107 days. She didn't win the election. - I mean, there's just many really, she didn't win it. Like, she had nothing to do with the money. She was a black woman in the office. - She outrazed her opponent. (laughs) - She's still a black woman. - She's still a black woman in the office. - Sure. - It wasn't for fun. - But clearly, it's not just about money, didn't it? It's all I'm saying. - But money has a lot. - The money has a lot of you to do it. If she didn't raise, have money. - She didn't win one swing stick. - If she wouldn't have raised that money, we wouldn't even get her right in the picture. - A legend. - A legend. - A legend. - Bernie doesn't take money. Or it doesn't take much money. And his message gets out there. - What you want to hear about Bernie when somebody else with money talks about Bernie? That's the problem. - No, Bernie had a moment. - Zorala. He's another one. Does he take corporate dial? - Does he? - Let's fuck it up. - I don't know. I don't know if that's true. - What? - I don't know. - All I'm simply saying is Pete Buttigieg. - No, yes. No, he doesn't take back dollars. But he'd take money for some hot and best behold that when they come calling, or that, or that, or that left the shit is out the window. - What are we, yes, we're gonna get this done for ya. - Pete Buttigieg told me one time. He said, "Hey man, you can take the money. You just don't have to be beholden to the person you took the money." - I haven't taken corporate pack dollars, but you need to be willing to accept somebody's help, somebody's vote, and somebody's contribution, and then turn around and upset or disappoint them with the decision. If you're not prepared to do that, you should not be in government. Because the whole process of decisions, especially the hard decisions that wind up on the desk with somebody in authority, is that you are going to have to upset somebody or disappoint somebody who has a point, right? If these were easy calls, they wouldn't get there. And so, but look, the cleaner way to deal with this, is to just not have this much corporate money flowing in the first place. - Yeah. - You know, the citizens United decision, this came down in 2010 from the Supreme Court, basically established that corporations have the same rights as people politically, and had this kind of doctrine that basically spending money to change how a campaign turns out, is the same protected speech as giving a speech or writing a letter to the editor or holding a sign in a protest. And that is unacceptable. And if it takes a constitutional amendment to clear that up, then we should do that. This happened in 2010. People say a constitutional amendment that would take 20 years. Well, if we'd started on that in 2010, and it really is something that takes 20 years, we'd almost be there. - It's true, right? - So to me, for every big problem we have in our politics, there is a base hit, and there is a big swing. And we need to do more of the big swings. We can go after the base hits too. So again, with the money and politics, I mentioned this project in Montana, that I supported Hawaii passed a lot, at the state level that I think we'll make a difference. But meanwhile, if the bigger swing is a constitutional amendment, let's do it. - Eat Buddha judges, lying to you, because when you take the money, you have to be beholden, 'cause it's their money. - But the same way you're saying, the same way you're saying, you wanna see somebody at least try, I wanna see a politician take the money at least. - He ain't gonna be blue. - Why not? - Because do you think it's just pushing? - Okay, yeah. - But what are we saying? - I agree with that too. - What are we saying? - I'm saying. - I'm saying, not gonna be blue in the red. They're not, they're not gonna fall out. - You just gave you two major blue politicians who don't take money. Bernie doesn't, Manthani doesn't. - Manthani can't run for president. So he's out of this. - There's been a lot of New York mayoral candidates who've taken plenty of money from people other than small donors. - That's very true. - And also, I don't know how, he does it. Zoran just doesn't take pack money. He's still in, somebody like that. - 99% of his contributions to his campaign have come from individual donors. - I just wanted to, I just bought up that Eddie Glaude, Eddie Glaude clipped to say that the system is broken, which we already know, the system is designed to work the way it is working. And even if you tax those billionaires, that money is still not going to the people that it needs to go to. - But it's a start. The money out of politics. - We say it's a start but for who? That's what I'm thinking. I'm always thinking about me. - I don't think I've come from. - I don't think you can change the laws and the policies with this much pressure coming from the billionaires who wield this much influence. I don't think it's ever gonna happen. So you've got to figure out a way to sort of lessen the influence. And when we talk about billionaires, I mean, obviously the NRA has a lobby. A-PAC is a lobby, it's gotten a lot of attention. The healthcare industry is a lobby, but it's really the tech guys right now who are wielding the most power and are the most out of control and the biggest danger to us. And that's I think where you gotta start. Because if you look at someone like Elon Musk, who's not even a fucking US citizen who has raised the South Africa. - Yes, right. - A different system, let's say. And you look at his ability literally to come in - In the White House. - Inside the White House. - Told y'all that he got a president elected. - Right. - Told you that. You said I flipped. - Stripped all these fucking jobs. Stripped all these programs, these departments. They didn't really save that much money, but what did they do? What was the real effect of doge? - Which part do you wanna talk about where you can't eat nothing there? Every other week there's something beginning call back. - Man, the real effect of doge. - Doge is about, well too, but go. I was gonna say that Elon Musk paid for that access to the federal government. - Well, money well spent, Elon Musk. - Money well spent on doge for Elon Musk. - But it worked for the White House too, because to me the real message of doge is, hey, we're shopping with swords here. Stick your neck out, make too much noise, talk about something that's being done, that's not proper or illegal or corrupt. You're gonna get your fucking head chopped off, so stay low. Stay benefit to White House or the current administration and White House. - And people in control of the White House right now. It was an intimidation move. Now, what someone like Elon did with the information and the data he had access to, we're about to find out. - Oh, we're about to find out. - I mean, could I see the question too, though? - He'd be invested, what, 300 in the election? - And now it's a trillion it. - Two, five, six, seven, eight. - You already see the result. - When you see people taking hits today, it's also the security. You see people taking hits today, Medicare, name Medicaid, when you see people taking hits today, snap benefits, nobody's gonna ask, well, how the fuck they still collecting trillions of dollars if all of these programs that the tax money has to pull off, if they've done it, is getting cut. - Who's to know? - Nobody cares about those types of work. - The people do care. The people who it affects most can't even begin to fight for, 'cause they still have to go to work. - But that's what the people above them have paid. The people above them, whose job it is to protect them, have been paid by the very people who's harmonies. - So I guess that don't ain't can't say that. - But after question I'm asking, yes, taxed billionaires, taxed the multi-billion dollar companies, but how do we ensure those tax dollars go where they're supposed to go? - Sure. - Well, one way to start would be, you know, the Supreme Court a couple of years ago ruled that essentially corporations are the same as an individual when it comes to making campaign donations, right? So I think a great way to start is to reverse that and make it so that, what's that called? I forgot. - I forgot the name of the bill or-- - How is that possible with the current Supreme Court? - Well, this is a challenge, right? But that's one way to get money out of, because obviously corporations aren't gonna vote to spread the money around. Corporations aren't gonna vote to give people greater benefits, right, that goes against their bottom line. The other big issue is like, there's so much private equity controlling the decisions and the laws are made right now. Like, you can just look around like everything, when something falls apart, when it's not working, it's 'cause private equity comes in, guts it, strips it for parts, then sells it. Like, I don't know how you'd be, what's the word I'm looking for? And he incentivized private, but we've gotta address it, right? Like, it's in every aspect of society right now. I need to look, I don't know if this is communism, I'm talking about, I don't know if it's socialism, but it's not working. So, overturning citizen United, that's it. - This is United, that's it, there we go. - That's the money in politics. Yes, we can tax billionaires more, even though if we try to do it, they're just going to take their money and bring it outside of America where we won't be able to touch it, so that's not that big of a help, but also it's where we spend our money. So we're spending our money with these wars and unnecessary things, that's why our deficit is so high. So once you have such a high deficit, then you have to start looking where can we cut? So now you're gonna cut it from the poor people because they have no power to fight back. So if we had, if we lowered our deficit now, it's like, oh shit, we actually, that's why you, I think you-- - A lot of the tax dollars go to the national deficit, too. - Yeah, but I think you should. - Because we're at a four, we're at a 40 plus trillion dollar deficit that you've never seen before. - That was at this point and it goes to the deficit, it goes to the military, it goes to Social Security, it goes to Medicaid and it's supposed to go to-- - Now how do we circumvent that? - Now how do we circumvent that? - So you said-- You said things felt better during Clinton's time. Clinton was probably the only president in our recent time who had a surplus. So he didn't have deficits. So now it's like, oh, they're not trying to-- - And he was a social democrat. - Exactly. - No, he was a cent, he was a centrist. He was not no social democrat. He was a centrist at best. - I think that was a social democrat? - No, no, no, no, no, no. - I'm talking about when it comes to the economy. - He was a 100% social democrat. - Absolutely not. Bill Clinton was a centrist. - Bill Clinton was a social democrat. He believed in capitalism, but he also believed in a welfare state and taking care of the left of us. He was 100, but Bill Clinton was a social democrat. - I'm talking about just on the economy, he was a social democrat. - We try and separate these things and you can't really. So you can't believe and be for the economy and for those at the bottom, but you're passing a crime bill that literally affects those at the bottom. The crime bill-- - I just mean, let me finish that. - The crime bill did not affect, though, did not affect white collar crimes. It said nothing about people stealing from companies and embezzlement. It was for-- - That just means his criminal justice dance wasn't progressive at all. - And I'm saying that they're-- And I'm saying they're married. I'm saying you can't have one without the other. You can't look at his presidency and say, "You know, he really did this well." - Oh, she can? - No, you cannot. - And that's the problem. - That's absolutely-- It's absolutely line items. He was really strong on the economy. He sucked when he came to criminal justice. - Which means he wasn't that strong on the economy. - Yeah, but this is Monday-- - Because of the account? - Just Monday, Monday, Monday, Monday, Monday. - Because it's like, we-- I don't think he knew the impact-- - Oh, that's where you didn't happen. - Yes, he did. - Yes, he did. Yes, he did. - You get what? - Say that, and you don't even know that. - And what a crack-- - Come from. - I don't know what you're talking about right now, boss. - Crack, okay, how did it get-- - And how did it get into-- - The CIA planted an impact neighborhood. (laughing) - Listen, speaking of crack. - I know. I don't know where we going with that. - How am I-- - Did you see Jay-Z and H? - I seen the first two episodes. - Oh my god, do not he watch the whole eight yet? - There's no point for somebody-- - Did you watch the whole eight? - I was not inspired to return. - Ah, he gets good. In spite of Rick Rubin. - Rick Rubin is the-- - In spite of-- - He gets black eye, no pun intended. He's a huge black eye for that project. - He picked the right songs. - Well, the producers picked the right songs. Shout the bonds here and there. - Okay, we'll shoot the bonds here. - I don't know who ever picked the songs, picked the right songs. Rick Rubin is not an interviewer, but I will-- This is why I'll give Rick Rubin credit. If that is the person who made Jay-Z comfortable enough to have the conversations that he had, which absolutely carried eight episodes, I'm cool with it. - Cool, we do a one comfortable Jay-Z, or do we want challenge Jay-Z? - Well, both, but maybe we'll do that in another conversation. - There's not gonna be a challenge Jay-Z. He's too old, he's too comfortable. And social media has annoyed him to the point. He's not coming outside like that. So do they will-- - He's been outside all year. - Like talking about-- - Yeah, I miss him. He's been outside all year, Mouse. - He's been comfortable all year. That's what I just say. He's not coming outside for all that. He's not about to sit in front of nobody. That's going to challenge him. He's not going through that. - So throw your song, I don't believe that. - So who's challenging him? - I mean, I think he's-- - Frazier? I thought Frazier's conversation was great. - But it wasn't challenging. - So challenge might be too strong. - No, no. - I just want a little push and pull. - That's a take. - That's the definition of-- - A good interview, right? - And he should be challenging. - Elevating to a greater degree. - It depends what the intention of the interview is. Let me explain what that is and that's a fact. He's sitting down with Rick Rubin discussing bars and music. - Politics shouldn't come up. I get that. - That's what that conversation is. - Now there was opportunities for it to come up based on certain things that were said, especially in episode seven and eight, right? That I feel like they could've went a little deeper. But now there's a conversation, does the interview to have with Jay-Z just about Jay-Z, the individual? - But it's not gonna happen. - Why not? - Because he's not going to be challenged. He, I think, me personally, as much as I love Jay-Z, I don't think he thinks anybody is allowed to challenge him. - I completely disagree. - So where's the challenge to interviews? Where are they at? So if I'm so wrong, if you don't disagree with me, I mean, in the history of Jay-Z, are you mean-- - I'm talking about this Jay-Z. I'm talking about this thing. - This person, the martyr. - I think it's all about whoever he chooses to sit in front of, in the same vein as politicians. You have to take the reins and say, this is the conversation I wanna have. - And he don't have that. - Now if you approach it like, this is Jay-Z, so I can't ask him certain things, then that's on you. - Well, but it requires him then going on an existing platform, right? - This is what it is. - He built the platform. So he set the terms of engagement. Which is fun. I mean, look. - For some, by the way, shout out to Frazier. That wasn't a shot effort. - Right, I loved Frazier's content. - I just think it was very-- - I like Frazier's content. - It was so-- - I love Frazier's content. - It was soft though. There was many questions that he left a lot of space. - Give me some examples. - But this is-- - The billionaire one. - What? - I think that was, I called you. Me, you spoke, you called me and we argued for two hours when I said that was the laziest answer you could have gave somebody. How was the laziest answer? But you've been using it as a talking point ever. Literally just said it 10 minutes ago. You said there should be a cap on the money. So Jayden said, what's the cap that makes you evil? - What's the cap that makes you evil? - Jayden said, what's the answer to the question? - 'Cause it says-- - You didn't answer my question. - It's an honest question. What is the cap? - But you didn't answer my question. - If you make the statement, all billionaires are evil. You only get your money. You only can become a billionaire by doing evil things. So what is the cap? - 100. - Where you're not evil? - 100. - 100 million? - No, judging by today's-- - That was not 100 million. - No, no, no. - Judging by-- - 100 million. - Judging by-- - That's it. - This is economy, $250 million is-- - Do you know how much money that is? - This is so arbitrary. - You know how many people don't have to earn a $50 million dollar? - And a lot of crazy evil. - Right. - He's like, what the fuck am I talking about? - But he cannot affect life. - How many? - He can't affect life. - How many people did you know have? - Shot, robbed, and killed people-- - Nobody. - Put $250 million. - $20 million. - No body. - Are they evil? - I don't know anybody I did it with that. - I'm just saying, I'm just saying, like-- - It's a lazy, dancing around the thing instead of just answering the question is lazy. - I thought he answered it. - He did not-- - I don't even remember the question was-- - The question-- - I forget the question was specifically as well, but his answer was basically-- - The answer was, what is the difference between-- what's the barrier? What, so as soon as I make this amount of money now, I'm evil. - I want to go back to this idea we were talking about about just doing things the right way, even when that comes to like attaining wealth, and continuing to a mass wealth. We're talking about B-sides. One of your illest lies to me is, face to the ceiling, race to a billion, heaven on earth, or his wings still fit him. So, what's the answer to that question? Is it a constant struggle to maintain-- - Human reality defines who you are, right? It's not what you've attained. It's not a dollar amount that changes you. And if so, what is that dollar amount? When does it start? Is it 100,000? Is it 150? Like at what point, if it's a cutoff, if it's like all the million is a bad, okay? So, at 999,000, I'm good. It can't be that way, right? It doesn't make any sense. The system is set up against me, against us, but I'm talking about my specific struggle. Everything was against me. My talent, not taking advantage of people, not taking advantage of a system, not creating tax loopholes, not taking from other people, but no, my talent pushed against all the headwind. And with that success, I've done things with my reach that I wanted to do that was helpful for a lot of people. - Yeah. - And with the system that we have, what are you gonna do? 'Cause I don't believe in that idea that someone has a certain amount of money, it defines their personality. - So, when you have like an example like that, versus like the kind of, I would say, a commonplace public perception that someone would say, all billionaires are bad, or you don't want you to have a billion dollars. Like, what's the tension in that? - I gotta give you the honest answer. - Please. - There's no tension. - Yeah. - I don't give a fuck, please. (laughing) - You can believe what you wanna believe. - Word. - You know, and people behave the way they wanna behave. - You was who you got here. - Was who you was for you got here. - That's the makeup of your person. - That is a lot. - No, you know why that's-- - You are the same person who you are the entire time, but now you have wealth in order to affect others by that. - I think that's a lazy argument just by saying, oh, a billionaire makes you evil. That's a lazy ass argument. - No, you're evil way out for your ability. - You're evil way before a billion. - Yeah, you know, by the way, in our community? - Yep. - In the black community? - You don't even gotta get a billion. - I know. - What you gotta do is be called, what you gotta be do is be accused of acting funny. - Yo, yo, yo, you just have some motion. - Mm-hmm. - Well, he act motion, and now all of a sudden, oh, what you're doing on that show? Oh, what you're doing over there? And God forbid you do get some type of contract or some type of money. - $250 million a big bet. - Now, all of a sudden, you are, all of a sudden you are automatically evil. Why is that? - Because you're not helping nobody. - What if you are? - Yes, that's the thing. - You say, look what? - You say you're not helping everybody. - He has that. - I didn't say, I-- - What if you got mad, Black? - If I've ever said that before, maybe I spoke out it to, I didn't say you're not helping anybody. What is it? Will they not help in the community? - What if that's the difference? - What? - Who said that? - Help anybody in helping the communities two different things? - What if you got mad black employees? - Yes, that's the difference. - What if you constantly give the up? Bunch of charity. - What if you also philanthropy. - We all over the country. - But also, what if you are the face of gentrification? What about that? - What if you are the face of displacement? What about that? - And you're denounce ridiculous on the people who are saying that because if you think that Jay-Z was responsible for the displacement of the Barclays and the disification in Brooklyn. - You're crazy. - That was going to happen. - You think that was going to happen? - With or without Jay-Z? You're not Jay-Z and let's stop for fun. - Let's stop the Barclays. - It was like less than one. It was less than one. - What do we talk about? - But that's how I'm talking. I'm not talking about the wealth that was attained for that I'm talking about. You allowed yourself to be the face of something that is responsible for displacing over 50,000 black families. - And making Brooklyn whack. - Shut the fuck up, man. - True story, Brooklyn whack, but. - It look, the Barclays Center is a cancer that has spread out from that center. - It will space you. - It will kill mom and pop job. I mean, stores, everything. - Everything they use. - He'll out himself again. - The Russian guy. - Oh, my God. - That is true. - That is true. - The Russian guy, Jay-Z was on all the billboards and he's the guy. - But we know. - And while the money, why was Jay-Z there? - Jay-Z. - You got to be invested in the pinup. - That's not why Jay-Z is a boy. - That was Jay-Z on the billboards. - 'Cause he's Jay-Z. - He gets as a cultural cashier, correct? - He was invested in a team that can't, say I don't even like having this kind of thing, like they'll you defend Jay-Z. But he was invested in, just to think that I love Jay-Z, but only one of us is saying what, this is the thing that I have to face. - The face of gentrification. - If it's face what? - What happens with somebody on the billboard? If somebody's on the billboard, what does that make? - The face of gentrification, bro. - Displacement and forgrain. - In Brooklyn. - So who's responsible for it now? 'Cause Jay-Z been known to the Barclayson in 20 plus years. - Chris just said, the Barclays is a cancer that has spread out way past that. The Barclays is what. - Who's responsible for the gentrification now? - Well, Ratner was responsible initially. Let's tell the truth. He was the one who was behind. - So we've been lying this whole time. - No, we have been lying. I'm talking about the displacement of over that $1,000 black family. - I don't, that number sounds high to me. But. - Look at, I said. - Ratner was the Russian's name. - The guy who owned the nets, I can't pronounce it. I can't remember the, why don't we ever have smoke for them? Those are the guys that are playing with them. That's the real castle. - Again, and that's what we do. - Again, we shoot out our own awareness. That's so funny. - That is so lazy for tape. - Nobody is protected when it comes, that's the problem. Nobody is protected when it comes to hurting other people in the community. Nobody's protected. - Yes, they are, the white man is. Y'all don't. - Exactly, not true. - You don't even know his name. - You know his name. - You say, you say, you say, like, it's them, everybody is crazy. Everybody has a duty. When it comes to black people, we old black people accountable. When it comes to white people, white people. - I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not. - I'm holding Ratner accountable. - So now you got, there you go, that we should be holding anybody accountable. - It's impossible, that you feel, we've argued about this two hours before. It's impossible. It is impossible. - Why is it impossible? - Because the people who are affected by it have to be the loudest. And when white people fuck up, white people need to be the ones yelling, hey, hey, that's wrong. - That makes no sense. If you're telling me that black people in Brooklyn are the ones who were displaced. So those black people-- - How they gonna make noise, they're displaced. They're not there to even be able to-- - No, no, no, that's not true. - Hey, you got a phone in your hand. - They gotta say, you gotta refer to your city council. I emailed my city council person last week. I told them, in fact, I was gonna talk shit about them on the show to try to threaten them. - First of all, what's your last-- - First, let me ask you a question. First, let me ask you a question. - Yeah. - How many people-- - It didn't work. - How many people you think, no, they can email their representative. - Well, I don't know how many know, but what's the saying about politics at the end of the day? All politics is local. You gotta start local. You gotta get an agreement with your city councilman, your assemblyman, whatever the case may do. - That's correct. Well, we have this conversation-- - They have offices, they are beholden to you. You can show up at a city councilman's-- - No, show up. - But they would rather get on-- - No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. - They're screaming at a celebrity. - No. - Who don't have nothing to do with any of this shit? - They don't know. - We always do that. I never say that. - I never say that. - Why we got more, more, more celebrities than us. - No, we have more smoke, right the law. - We have more smoke for the people that stand in front of us that claim to be martyrs. And then you do something that doesn't align with your martyrism. And then we ask you about it and you say, talk to target. - Talk to target. - Who said that? - Jesus. - Did you not hear the Jay-Z freestyle? - He did. - Say something. - The Jay-Z freestyle when he was at the concert. - Yes. - What did he say? - He said that. - Everything we're asking him about-- - Talk to everybody else. - He did not. - Why are you all coming at me? - He didn't say that. - That's not what he said. But once again, you're deflecting. - I'm not deflecting anything. - Never got no smoke for the white man. - Once again, my responsibility is-- - I can do that. - Who did Malcolm X then bring the smoke to? Who did Martin Luther King Jr. then bring the smoke to? Who did Marcus Garvey then bring the smoke to? - Mm-hmm. - Who? - The white man. - All right then. - So the system, absolutely. - So why are we always aiming at celebrity, the change things that this system has promised us that they need to do? - Now we're having two different conversations. - No, we not. - Because Malcolm X told us that the celebrity should not be trusted as a spokesperson. - So listen Malcolm, 'cause none of these people are supposed to be before us. - So guess what? So when you stand up and say, I arrived on a day, Fran Hampton died. Real niggas don't die. We just multiply. - That was the fact. - He was at 4 on December 4. - Look at this. - What are we talking about? He was born on December 4. - Fran Hampton died on December 4. - Right. - Right, right. So nobody understands how rap works. It doesn't matter if it works. - I arrived on a day. - That's why you used to watch J.G. - You don't, you know, I used to watch J.G. Because there's one thing that he says a lot that I was like, wow, creative license. - Yes. - A lot of it is just exact. - Yeah, I bet. When accountability shows up, I bet. - No, it was just in a team. - I arrived on a day, Fran Hampton died. That is the fact. - Yes. - He was born on the same day, Fran Hampton died. - Yeah. - Real niggas don't die. We just multiply. - Who's saying Fran Hampton not a real nigga? Who said Jay-Z not a real nigga? What makes you? What makes a person a real nigga, mouse? - No one's arguing that. - I'm saying, I agree with you Jay-Z, you are lying with Fran Hampton. - What is the problem? - I do a lie with Fran Hampton, but Fran Hampton wasn't there for none of this. - You're acting like two people can't be real niggas and still have opposite views of things. - The Fran Hampton is the last person you should be mentioning when you're. - There's a lot of people you think are real niggas and prison right now for doing dumb shit. - What the hell? - I'm just simply saying. - So, are you going to compare them? - You dancing. - I'm not dancing. - I'm just saying, I don't understand this. - I get what you're saying. There's a lot of people that the first thing they want to do in a situation is argue with a celebrity, yell at a celebrity, I get that. - That's all we do. - And I think that's all. - You want celebrities to fix every socio-economic problem in our community. - And I think that is, and I think that's great. - And that is, I think that is one to one system. - Absolutely, I agree. - And by the way, nobody's above criticism. Let's put that out there. - That is the part, that's the only part I want to land at. - But that's the only part I want to land is playing at. - That's just being, who is allowed to be criticized? Who is allowed to be called outside and say, make this make sense? - So, let's do this, let's do this. Let's ignore it. - But y'all just told me, not allowed. - I'm going to say, I'm going to tell you why. Let's acknowledge what the problem is. Okay? Like the actual issue. Once you acknowledge the actual issue, say to yourself, who should I scream at about this? If I scream at these local politicians who actually make the laws, who create the legislation, who can actually fix this, would that be effective? I will be getting on Twitter, just screaming at this celebrity about the issue, it's just going to fix the issue. - Neither one of them are going to fix the issue, but I get what you're saying. - But I think the, I mean, the, the easy, the, the one that makes the common sense is the party of politicians. - Exactly. - They're going to be saying, hit now. - I feel like we're always shooting at the wrong target. - Maybe, but here goes the nuance of the situation. People cannot take off work and go sit down at these office and get the ringer and get the run around or Dave to not get to somebody or get a phone. - Do what I do. I email these guys all the time. - Do you live, Chris? - Yeah. - Telling black people to do what you do. - Email. - It's crazy. - Why? - Because I'm not again. - Why is that crazy? - You don't, not, not in the sense of, I'm not, I'm saying you know, like I just asked you, how many people do you believe know that they can email their representative? - I'm telling you guys right now, email your city council person. Email your local. - That's plenty of black people. - The people that need to hear, the people that need to hear that ain't listening to me. - That's not true. One of my favorite things to do is watch city council meetings in Chicago. - Oh, they give it up. Shout to the men. The men, the Chicago men. - But Salute, you know, people don't be liking those because she's a rabble rouser and you know, she did the whole, I don't even know what they call it now. I forgot to turn Chicago red or whatever, but she did that just, she's doing that to get the attention of the politicians. But before that and even now, she goes and them city council meetings and she raises hell. Think about somebody like Gary Chambers. Gary Chambers rolls the prominence by going to one of those meetings and raising hell. There's plenty of black people who know about that. - Right. - I can't sit here and say, you know, oh, I can't take off work to go to the city. - The person meeting. - And that's where we lose nuance. We tend to forget there's other people out here that look like us. when we come from and don't have the liberty to know. - So the council meetings aren't always doing work hours. And sometimes you might just have to make that sacrifice depending on how serious the situation is to you. - Or just be, I'm like a fucking Karen, man. Anything that I see happening in my neighborhood that I don't like, I start CCing everybody. Shooting, I don't think there's a quick enough police response. I email my city council person. There's a situation happening with escape park in my neighborhood, Tony Hawk, I don't have to get into it. - No, it's real, I'm fucking, Chris is beefing with Tony Hawk. - Chris cares about his community. - All right, so there's a park in my neighborhood. (laughing) - I'm parking, by the way, I know plenty of black people like Chris, who go in those city council meetings who raise hell to the hell. - What do you think, Erica Ford? You think, Erica Ford, he raised in hell in Brooklyn, where are local politicians? - Got that, Erica Ford, bro. - What do I tell you? - You think, you think, you think, what do we, like these people do this on a regular basis? - There's not enough. - And if they don't get the emails, they don't do shit. They often don't do shit, even when they do get that. - I was about to say, they get these emails and they don't do shit. - But if you don't write the emails, if you don't show up, if you don't, I've been going to community meetings in my neighborhood, where there's seven people in the entire fucking meeting, you know. They'll have the cops there talking about what's happening, a city council, not even the city councilman, they'll send their fucking rep. I still show up. And it sucks and it's frustrating. And you don't feel like you're getting a result necessarily, but you gotta keep doing that. - And you're telling people who get to be made to feel that way in every facet of life, every day. Do it one more time. - But there's no other path out of this. - Exactly, you gotta do it. - This is the path, man. - Bro, that's difficult. - No. - Then they can't do it. - I'm saying nuance, we're forgetting that these people have to live real life. They have real responsibility. - Sure. - They may not be able to do that. - You have to be willing to make a sacrifice. - Exactly. - If it really bad. - They have to make a sacrifice every day. So now have to sacrifice to go sit out here. - Yeah, because I'm not gonna get to run around. I'm not gonna get to talk to the person who's right or right in email. - I'm a right in email that email, sure. - I don't say people, again, I don't disagree with that. I think that is the least you can do. How many of them people know they can email that person? Don't know. And the people who need to know it, I don't think they're underneath the guys of our voices. That's just what I feel. I could be wrong. - I disagree with that. I don't know how many of you wanna correct something from earlier. You said the face of, what was it? Just a percentage of displacement in Brooklyn. With the Barclays, it was only 42 black families, approximately 300 black people who were displaced by the Barclays. One person is too many, but you still have 50,000. - But I'm just saying, that was the person. - That's crazy. - Brooklyn. - That's that out of Brooklyn. - Well, that's a different conversation. - Yeah, but now you have a different year. - Okay, I just wanted one more. - Barclays there. - I live around Barclays. - 50,000 people did not get it. - Yeah, that I'm aware of this, but also that also only accounts for that number, because I've seen that number before, that never only accounts for the owners. - No, no, it's 42 families. - Family, right, and those numbers are only represented of people who owned their homes. So now we have to take into account the people that did not own their home that was renting. - Okay. - And they're displaced as well. - That number are never counted. - Don't you think it's a little crazy by saying he's the face of-- - He what? If somebody-- - If someone puts you on a billboard. - Nobody helped create the conditions for gentrification more than the government. - Yeah. - Oh, I'm glad. - That's where we got the right now. - No argument there. - I know why. - No argument there. - It's not even closed. Like you can, like real estate developers that are blame, the government. - There's a biggest culprit if we're being honest. - The developers, right? - Real estate developers, frankly, influence, bribe, whatever you wanna call it, local politicians, in the case of-- - In the case of-- - In the case of Barclays, they claimed intimate domain, which means that this was land that wasn't being properly utilized, which is the biggest fucking crock of shit I've ever heard in my life. Like downtown Brooklyn was absolutely thriving. I couldn't afford to live in your Barclays, right? So the claim in intimate domain was a joke right from the start, but obviously the local politicians went along with it. - That's government. - That's government. - That's government. - So you got the real estate investors and the developments, the developments, and government policies to go in Chris. - And, you know, but I think to Malice's point, Jay did cosine it. Maybe he-- - I'm not even able to-- - Maybe-- - Maybe he did it. - Maybe he regrets that. Maybe he thinks it was inevitable. And he got some concessions out of them that they wouldn't have not only gone-- - It was me and me. - Like, you know how many white people you gotta skip? Well, you know how many rich white investors, developers, politicians, you gotta skip over, the blame, the black rapper. - That's great. - The one that's on the billboard. - Yes, from Brooklyn. - I don't have to, I don't have to look too far the billboard, I look up at billboard. - Is that manifold? - If you think that he literally is the faith in gentrification over all those people. - And oh, why are we acting like we don't know a version? The faith, the person they're pushing out in the front, that is him. He was on the billboard. - You don't think he wanted that? You don't think that was just a big ask list. - If I'm honest. - You know, I'm bringing it next to Brooklyn. - You were in faith of the Brooklyn. - Yeah, that's it. - Yeah, that was it. - Just came with it. - And yes, but came with it. - Okay. - But then you have to think bigger than yourself. - Right. - But I think-- - Because you being the face of bringing the Brooklyn next to Brooklyn? - Also, of course, for this mass, this-- - This prison was already so valuable. - Exactly. - And what they were saying is how many jobs this was going to bring to the city and how many-- - So he could look at the positive things that we're going to come by bring to the city. - Brooklyn was such prime real estate, way before the Barclays. - Do the gentrifiers like me, you're welcome. (laughing) - Yes. - Part of the problem. - But is that a problem? - Yes. - I mean, hasn't New York City historically just had waves of different communities coming in and replacing-- - That's the nature of New York. - Yeah. - And replacing black people? - Well, displacing a lot of people. I've been-- - I look at this. - I was such an early gentrifier that I got displaced. They'll displaced white people too. - Let's end with-- - White people can't be displaced because-- - Yes, they can. What do you want me to talk about? - You want me to talk about it. - Let's end with this, right? - They don't have the money. They can't afford to live this. - I just keep-- - I don't have any money. - In South Carolina right now, like literally right now. Like, I think I've read something in the day where so many people are moving to South Carolina, but the price of land, like if you own-- - Right. - I only want to get-- I'll tell you this, imagine paying for a piece of property and now the ROI is 21x, what you paid for. Imagine being a great grandfather who paid a hundred dollars for two acres way back when, but now that property is worth hundreds of thousands, maybe millions of dollars. And you're a poor white person or even a poor black person. Guess what you're gonna do to that land. - Sell it and get the fuck off. - But that's what we're talking about in Brooklyn right now. We're talking about Bed Style, right? Like, you have these families that have lived in Brownstones for four or five generations. You got to sell, right? - That number right there. - Bed Style lost 22,000 black residents gained 30,000 white residents this decade. - Look at the time. - The white population more than doubled in both East and West Bed Style between 2010 and 2020, according to new sense of data. - When do the next come to-- - Mouse, you know what I mean. - Give me some good stuff. - You just said it. - Mouse, I might have reading it. - Mouse isn't wrong, but you're not all the way right here. But you're not all the way wrong. - You got the factor in why people left. - It's telling you, no it doesn't. It just says people, it's just a census that tells you who left, you don't tell you why. - I know. - We just got done telling you about eminent domain. We just got done telling you about people. Let's not talk about-- - But what if you started to sell your property and move down south? - Oh, what if you get priced out? - Because if you get priced out, if the area becomes more and more time, if the area becomes more popular, then it gains value. And so some people won't be able to afford living in that place. - And that's okay. - So if I sold my property for a couple of million dollars. - That's how the world works. - Mouse, if I sold my property-- - You don't want to buy a house and that go up in value? - Mouse, if I sold my-- - Not if it means I got to move somebody who is already living there out. - What if I, what if I sell my property? - You sell your property. - Oh, millions of dollars. - A million dollars. - Down south, 'cause I was out too. - But that wasn't happening. These people were getting left. Am I wrong? The people were getting less than what the house was worth. They were getting less than what the house was worth. Then there was some people getting straight up threatened. You know, we're taking this no matter what point it was. - You're conflating to different agencies. - I'm talking about two things. Barclayne and Brooklyn are two different conversations that are connected. You're talking about what happened specifically with families getting moved out of the area that we're Barclayne's built. And you're talking about a larger situation in Bed-Style, which there's a lot of conversation about now, which is the gentrification of Bed-Style. The fact that Bed-Style has not only lost a lot of its black character, but people are getting forced out. I would say some of those people are choosing to sell, but what have you? - Can I just, can I read this? Can I read this? - What's the best part of all of you in Bed-Style? - What? - Bed-Style was originally a what kind of community? Choose. - And what happened a minute niggas showed up? - We got out of there. - And then guess what they're doing now. - We're coming back and taking it. - Okay. - Can I say something real quick? - But we're paying for it. 'Cause I haven't heard you say this name yet. - Oh. - I haven't heard you say this yet. - Are you sure this is what? former New York City mayor, Michael Bloomberg, one of the most consequential decisions was 2005 rezoning of Williamsburg and Greenpoint. The knock against Bloomberg is he gave away too much to the developer. That's right. The rezoning opened significant areas at a waterfront, the residential development, developers could construct expensive apartment buildings and areas previously used for industrial purposes. The result was substantial new housing investment, but also increased pressure on long time residents. A report from New York City's public advocate found that between 2000 and 2015, Greenpoint and Williamsburg lost nearly 15,000 Latino residents despite their overall population increasing by approximately 20,000 people. Bloomberg didn't invent Brooklyn's identification, gentrification it had been happening for decades, but his administration helped accelerate major redevelopment. I know one thing, man. Jay-Z ain't doing no goddamn rezoning loss. He allowed himself to be on that, to be the figure. I mean, knock it all out again. You don't want to hear it, that's one thing. But that's such small potatoes. I just read you something where it said 20,000 Latino, got displaced, and I gave you a name and you bought it back no, no, no, no, no, no, I'm with you. We agree on Bloomberg. We agree there. If anybody stands next to something that ends up harming Ellen, go ahead. I'm gonna give you this, because I don't even, I'm being honest with you, I don't even know. But this is how much blame I'll give Jay. 0.000000000001% whatever little small last percentage he had in the Barclays. Now that 99 something goes to get your mother fucking social media get and get off. You keep saying we're. I said social media. I don't like the second. You said yes. Use the developers, investors, Michael Bloomberg, it's so many other people. But they won't do that because those clicks won't go viral. No, that's right. They're right. I haven't lied to talk about. Because guess what, they're not those developers. They're not beholden to my community. They actually did exactly what they supposed to do. If they come in, who's your city council person? I'm in flat, but my city council person is don't have to look it up and don't even try. I'll have to say you don't know. I would have to look it up. All right, so the only way I'm going to start ceasing you on all my emails. You're going to catch the vibe. You're going to catch the wave. Take that. And then take it with Chris, right, right, going in and get your Gary Chamber. That's right. Okay. I'm going to see what it looks like. The nuance of people who support people that come up from a community. And then when something harms that community, they should be able to stand accountable. I'm never going to have more smoke. I didn't say I have more smoke. I have, especially when I go what they do. I never said I have more smoke for this person than this person. I said I have some smoke for that nigga. Right there. In the conversation goes left. It's inconsequential. That's and that's where we disagree. There's not inconsequential. To say somebody is the face of gentrification. You're on a billboard. No, and I can point the face. No, and I can point to 50 other people. They weren't the face of it. You know how I know it wasn't the face of it because you know the big names and y'all don't look at a lot of people. Y'all don't look at people when they face this. That's now how to do. That's not what else are this. You don't look for white. That's now what that word means. I know. That's a problem. I'm going to tell you who the white people are. That's a problem. That's exactly the white people right there. If the problem is I don't look for white faces, the white fit because the white faces are usually your actual problem. Yep. I can agree to that. Yep. So why are you ducking? I'm not ducking. Yes, you are. I think have the old accounts. I want every one of the council meetings. Yep. I want him yelling. I'm gonna pick you up. I'm trying to your house. We're gonna go down there. We out. The whole thing. Come get me. We out. My guy mouse nephew always a pleasure. Just me and mouse all the time, by the way. Alex mouse everything good. Sure. Okay. Good. Last plug. That's a comedy show. November 8th. Yes. New York comedy festival. Free show for the people. There will be a free show for the people. No, you don't. They won't be a free show. Don't show up thinking. 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