The Remote Viewing PROBLEM When it Comes to Jesus Christ | Mark Gagnon

hey guys if you're not following me on spotify please hit that follow button and leave a five star review they're both a huge huge help thank you like uh yeah you can be like the guy that saves the day if you go over there and talk to him and he ends up getting captured in like scotland i think and then sent us to prison and i think sent us yeah he was he was in prison during the whole like crash lands there crash lands he's like i'm here to help and they're like no bitch you're going to prison and apparently hitler found out that the astrologer was one of the people that advised him and hitler was like done with all these guys get the astrologers like all these mystical woo-woo people fuck all this shit nine nine nine nine literally like is like sends them all to prison and gets them out of here but then a lot of them get bailed out of these camps and like concentration centers and shit because they were trying to use psychics to find american boats like military positions how'd that work out not great oh well but they apparently if you look at the pendulum institute the pendulum institute i can't i this might be british but i think the nazis were doing this as a response to the british that they were basically using remote viewers the pendulum institute was created by the british to use remote viewers to find u-boats like german u-boats and then the germans were like well if they're doing that we should do our version of it and they started bailing out these mystics and clairvoyants to try to like use a cult spy where it's like a south park episode now the way i view this is like you're at the end of the war you're just trying any shit you can i guess i don't think it was actually effective i don't think they were actually using psychics to to do the shit what do you think about our side tangent for a minute we'll come back to this but what do you think about some of our people like the joe mcmonicles and i forget this other lady she was on sean ryan and then chris ramsey actually just had her on i haven't had a chance to see it yet but who were part of project stargating claim to be able to remote view do you buy any of it i don't know i go back remote viewing is the thing i i think about it a decent amount because it's just like what like they're like ingo swan is a part of like ca docs and that he was actually working with them i'm like the i've had explained to me this way that it's like low cost high impact so it's like okay this is this budget for this is going to be a million bucks and to us we're like dude you're spending a million dollars on remote viewing there must be something there if you look in the totality of the u.s defense budget it's like 0.0001 so they're like oh this costs nothing and the impact might be huge right so let's give it a shot it's it's like the moon shot kind of thing and it's like yeah let's just try let's just see a couple cents at it who knows these people claim they can do some stuff let's talk to them and then they end up getting these docs and then it you know like kind of you know goes out that way i'm like i just i i'm too skeptical to fully be like yes this is what's happening but at the same time there are a ton of like remote viewers i've been involved in like secret government projects for 70 years 60 years it's just like chris ramsey was explaining to me the test score history of mcmonigal and like the way i'd go roll that at 248 and i did with him go roll that episode because he explained about 247 he explained it way better but there was like there's a series of levels that you go through and they test you to be able to write on a piece of paper what's on like the other side of like a window that they have and he scored like a perfect i want to say six or six yeah on it or something so there was it's like there's a there there but is the there that's there something that can like you know fucking remote view something that's going to happen in a year or something like that and then on top of that it's like okay you can let's say there is a there right you're channeling something how like predictable is it right can you actually just be like okay give me coordinates i'm going to see some secret base someplace far away and then how reliable is that are you really going to send like a bunch of the boys you know american troops because this guy said this thing right it's like that costs a lot of money too exactly about that exactly so it's like i i don't know there's still a part of the reserve skepticism but i do find it interesting enough to look into did you see the clip of that same lady i was talking about when she was on sean ryan where he asked her about the crucifixion no that kind of freaked me out a little bit why would she say it could have been like total if she's like an actress and complete bullshitting it could have been like just like a bad actress moment that was so bad that it was good or it's like what the fuck where you know sean's sitting back there in his chair and he's like so uh if you ever remote viewed the crucifixion and she just like looks up and she's quiet and there's like a long pause he goes you don't want to talk about that she's like that's the whole clip that's the clip no why do we need to know what happened yeah can we pull that up thief i mean that's hopefully sean doesn't i'll call jeremy and they won't copyright us hopefully but there's a clip sean ryan remote viewer jesus instagram i mean try that this is fascinating again like with the remote viewing stuff i'm like i find it all interesting like i'm i love diving into the rabbit hole but like i haven't seen a case that i'm like this is 100 true you know is it even possible to say that i mean you know i mean like how do you like where yeah this is it were you there all right so government psychic physically disturbed when asked about remote viewing the crucifixion the crucifixion here we go if it's copyrighted it's going to skip this go google it people you'll be able to see it looked into have you tried to look into religion at all such as the crucifixion i don't like that do you have do you not want to talk about that well it doesn't give us it doesn't give us a ton everyone's delivery was incredible yeah you don't want to it's like all right moving on i mean that what does that tell us i don't know man she could be a horrible actress that's where my head did go i'm not gonna lie or maybe maybe the muslims are right maybe yeah right like like in islam tell her to draw muhammad and we'll find out okay no don't do that no one do that but like i'm not serious according to islam the like all my muslim brothers will appreciate this uh jesus peace be upon him is the prophet before you have to do like the thing too beck lover goes peace be upon him or something okay no no no i have all respect for all religions the world but no no it's like a sign of respect i hope beck lover's not like making that shit up he's muslim oh okay every time he goes to jesus peace be upon him oh no i've never seen yeah it's like kind of you're like oh all right we're here now that's so funny yeah okay he gets very serious well they they put the peace on on jesus every time i'm like dude that's you guys might be more christian than me that's fire but he's the uh the prophet before the prophet muhammad also peace be upon him and they according to some uh like muslim sources again it's never really said in the quran they basically say that it appeared to the people as if jesus was crucified that's what it says and then there's no further explanation of what exactly that means and so some people suspect that it's possible that jesus was switched and that jesus never died he basically was ascended into heaven as a prophet and then will return at the end of days to defeat the antichrist the dajjal and that this is like a part of like muslim eschatology and so jesus is in heaven ascends into heaven he ascended without being crucified without being crucified he just goes to live with allah and then is going to come back at the end of days but there was someone that was crucified to look like jesus now some muslims believe this is not like uh you know doctrinal but this is one of the elements of islam so if this woman went back and saw it then maybe she's like i saw it praise be allah no it was they swapped jesus i don't know we have to ask her we have to ask her what she saw start some problems someone was right dude so ron's new york was right but yeah that's uh that's why i was hoping she was gonna be like oh yeah yeah no he died you know three days in the tomb went to heaven 100 saw it i'd be like as a catholic i'd be like bro you're easter live stream as jesus that's one of the funniest things i've ever seen we can't play because that's eminem in the background oh yeah i watched that probably 75 times bro i went to so good i went to church with my baby recently this was like last sunday dressed as jesus dressed as me and then he he kept on pointing at the cruzvix going that death i was like no i can see the confusion but that's what i'm saying i can see the confusion but that's what i'm saying i can see the confusion but no yeah yeah oh my god yeah we discussed that on the patreon um just pointing at jesus bro with the two two trailer park girls might round me outside in the background where you're like yo what's up fam i'm risen what's good yeah nah we're kind of not on talking terms right now uh it was it was like a trend like i saw some people do it as like different historical figures and i was like i look too much like jesus not to do this i sent it to my priest i was like is this sacrilegious was he upset about it he was like no i think it's yeah he's got it i mean it's comedy that's what you do for a living it's one like we can't play it because of the music but i wonder if like i can get away with it a little bit it's so funny we back wait for a few more people to drink and then the water turns to wine oh yeah go live with judas rather not still not on good terms how many followers do you have now start with 12 numbers going up pretty steadily you did watch it you actually you actually do my hair look great there shout out When's the merch dropping? Gonna do a chain draft. Pop-up stores around Rome and Galilee. I can send you the version without music that we can play. Oh my God, send me that. I will, I will. I'll put that on so many podcasts, bro. It's so good. I appreciate that, thank you. Holy shit, you gotta do more of that. Because you're like a good actor, too. Oh, thank you, I appreciate that. No one's told you that? Ask me where I was during the crucifixion watch. What were you? I don't want to talk. No, no, you have to not say anything. Oh, okay. You just have to, like, itch your. Oh, okay. That's right, yeah. No, I'd buy it. I'd buy it. Have you thought about. I've asked you this before, but, like, since, have you thought about, like, doing any acting stuff? I know you weren't, like, the biggest fan, but. Again, I'm open. If someone was like, dude, we have this sick role, it's a part of this awesome thing, do you want to be in it? I'd be like, 100%. If it's like, hey, do you want to audition a bunch and see if you get something? I'm like, yeah, I'm good. But if it opened up. Again, I like stand-up. I love comedy more than anything. That's the thing that I, like, identify with as a human. So I'm like, I would do that. If I could just do that forever, I'll do that forever. You know what I mean? It's a different thing, you know? Well, that's the thing. With acting, you are trying your best to become someone different. Right. Christian Bale is, like, allegedly, I haven't seen any of his movies, but allegedly is able. No, I saw Dallas Buyers Club. Oh, God, Jesus Christ. Is he in that? No. Same thing. So you can see, right? Get out. One of, if not the most common DMs I get on Instagram are many of you asking me what my favorite books are. Well, today's your lucky day because if you use the link in my description below to join my newsletter, I'm going to give you my top 10 book recommendations right now. 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And everyone was like, dude, McConaughey's here. I'm like, dude, Dax is right here. Look at this. I love this. I love this guy. Dax is great. No, he's awesome. But more people, if you're going to meet McConaughey or Dax, more people. You're going to tell me you like Dax more than me. Exactly. Most people are like, dude, McConaughey, though. Time is a flat circle. Oh, no. I saw Interstellar. I saw Interstellar. Fire. I loved it. So respect to McConaughey. Respect to both of them, of course. But what did you even just do to the mic? I've never seen that before. Let go. Put a little blue show in there. What the fuck? You've never seen that? No. It's called sex magic. Okay. It's giving a little bit of dildo vibes. Sorry, I ruined everything. But no, I would be interested, actually, right now, the thing I'm curious about the most is I would love to do a comedy special about the Abrahamic faiths. Now, that's risky. I mean, I will say, like, even your clips, because obviously you're not putting your whole sets on Instagram, but even your clips, like, you take some risks and it works every time. I appreciate that. You, like, own it. I appreciate it. And you're like, listen, just nerdy white guy here. Don't mind me. Anyway, Nigerian names. Exactly. Well, dude, I, like, maybe I've shared this before on here. I apologize, man. Can you fix that mic? That's going to bother me. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I ruined it. No, what did you? You haven't called me yet. Yeah, what the fuck? Yeah, we're going to put Chris just to work. You're just like Bennett. I'm sorry, Deef. I ruined your mic. It's all right. I'll fix it. I fucked it all up. All right. That's better. There we go. Give it some Viagra. Yeah, exactly. I love cultures and I love people. Yes. I think above anything else. Like, I genuinely love people. Like, I'm so fascinated. And I don't judge. I'm like, I find it funny. I think there's certain things that I think are hilarious. But, like, I love people. And I think the, maybe not the best way, but an essential way to understand a culture is to understand their religion. Like, I always say this on Religion Camp. I'm like, I don't think you can understand a people without knowing the God they worship. So, for me, it's like, I want to understand the faith. Because most of these cultures don't exist ontologically outside of their faith, right? Like, in order to understand the Middle East, you have to understand Islam. To understand America, you have to understand. And puritanical evangelical Christianity. To understand, like, Western Europe, you've got to understand Catholicism. Like, it's intrinsic to understanding the people is how they orient their lives. And for most of them, it's the most single important thing in their life. So, it's like, at the very least, as a respectful human being on this planet, I should know the bare minimum, right? Yes. I should understand what the Quran is about. I should read some of the Hadiths. I should get that. Like, I should read the Talmud. I should understand the Torah, the Tanakh. Like, to me, it's like, kind of just like being a respectful human being is to, like, know more or less what it's about. You don't got to read everything, of course. But. So, for me, I'm like, I love culture. I love people. And I want to understand how they're connected. And, or religion and culture and how they're connected. And so, doing all these different channels is a way to kind of, like, understand better and be less ignorant about all these people I share the planet with. Yeah, I like that you're doing the different topics like that, too. Where you have, like, religion camp is one. Right. Going through the history and everything. And then, for me, comedy is just like, okay, let's take all this data and then make it funny. Yeah. Now, how do you. Obviously, you're going to take risks doing that. Obviously, as a comedian, you can't. You can't worry about, like, on a certain level, offending someone who wants to be offended and stuff like that. But how do you do that in a way where you're like, all right, I'm going to not piss off the majority of people. There will always be a subset. Of course. But the way you do that is. Most people are going to like it. You know more. By knowing, like, about the culture and actually, like, immersing yourself. Like, calling up your buddy from high school that is Nigerian. And you're like, oh, dude, I didn't. Like, I never even connected, like, your culture and, like, the fact that your parents. Like, are, like, from, you know, Lagos or whatever. Like, I didn't ever connect that with who you are as a person. So, like, tell me about your culture and shit. You understand where the lines are. So, like, I would feel comfortable doing a show and having a. Like, I've done shows where it's, like, a bunch of Muslims in the front. And I'm like, oh, I know what's funny about Islam without offending you guys. And I know where the lines are. And I know how to do that with Christians and with Jews. And by knowing more and having. And just being more versed on, like, people. Then you know what's going to offend them. And you know more or less what they're going to find funny. It's interesting. Because it feels like the lines are getting drawn more than ever. Between, like, cultures and people. Like, sometimes it feels like the internet itself is, like, we're all psyoping ourselves. And we're separating groups more than ever. When the fucking internet is the tool that brings people together from around the world. Unlike ever before. Like, the paradox there is insane. Yeah, you go on Twitter and it's like, oh, everything's the Jews' fault. And then it's like now, any time, any type of, like. Moral philosophy is just, like, this ethnic group is the problem. Yep. You've completely missed the point. Like, you're completely, like, jumped it. Like, what are you doing? Like, everyone's, like, talking about all these problems. Like, oh, dude, wealth inequality and, you know, the cost of living and government and that. I'm like, these are all legitimate concerns. But then instead of, like, unifying as a force and being like, okay, let's try to get good politicians in. Like, let's try to, like, actually have some agenda proposals that'll do good. You have dumb idiots on the internet being like, oh, it's this people. Right. They're the reason. I'm like, did you learn nothing? Right. And it's, like, I think a great example is Uganda. Idi Amin. Mm. Idi Amin. Yeah, tell people who didn't see Last King of Scotland. Exactly. Becomes the dictator of Uganda and pretty summarily and very quickly just, like, kicks out all the South Asians. They call them South Asians. We call them Indians. But they're all basically, like, daisy, like, diaspora. Okay. So it's, like, Pakistanis and Indians that have moved to Uganda. And many of them were moving there as, like, indentured servants under the British and then built, you know, their own lives there and then started their own companies and businesses. And then Idi Amin comes in and says, we need to be Uganda first. We need to kick out all of the foreigners. If you're not Ugandan, if you don't have dark skin, if you're not of us, you're out. And so within 24 hours, he gave all these people an ultimatum and said, leave or be imprisoned. And so as a result, you have this giant, like, brain drain of all these people that have built their entire lives. They are Ugandan. They've lived in this country their whole lives. Their parents are Ugandan. They just happen to look, you know, Indian. And so as a result, the country kind of collapses. Because all of these economic drivers for the country are now leaving. And so as overnight, it's like your laundromat is closed and your mechanic is not there anymore. And so all of a sudden, the country starts to implode on itself. And it's like, yeah, dude, you just kicked out all of the people that are, like, supporting your economy. Not all of them, but many of these people that are contributing to the economy that are good members of your society, you kick them out. So anytime people are like, dude, it's this group's the problem. I'm like, and I know people on the internet are going to be like, oh, dude, you're doing Israeli propaganda, oh, good Goy. Hasbara. I'm like, dude, anytime you're pointing at a group and being like, they're the reason for all the problems in the world, you missed it. First of all, you also have got, and I don't care where you're talking about here. It could be China, it could be Russia, it could be Israel, it could be fucking wherever. You have to be able to separate people from their government, too. Yeah. Like, people, I've always said this line, my friend Eric Zuliger, who's someone you should definitely have on when he's in town, he's so fucking funny. Unintentionally, too. Like, you know, he's traveled the world in all these random places, particularly places that aren't recognized as countries. And he's like, people are not their governments, bro. Yeah. You know? And when you start to define them that way by the decisions made, especially when a government's bad, which, you know, newsflash, that happens a lot. Yeah. Empires are kind of evil. Yeah. It's like, you know, everyone just needs a boogeyman on things. And I guess when I was younger, when I was a teenager, I was just, I mean. newsflash, I was very naive, there was a thought like the internet had had come in now and i'm like oh wow so no one will ever be able to separate themselves as a people like ethnically anymore like they'll do it in small ways but never like oh look at them or oh look at them because we can all just talk to each other now yeah it has had the opposite effect yeah in the modern era and i feel like i'd love your thoughts on this i feel like the real breaking point like people talk about like the political unrest after the global financial crisis in the u.s certainly have a great argument there but like the real breaking point was covid because you had something happen where particularly elites in power lied mm-hmm much of what was put out there was propaganda and wrong and so it broke people and i get it where they're like therefore anything that we have ever heard now or before is now wrong we're just it's going to be it's like spongebob we're going to be opposite day every day yeah and i think just like contrarian thinking is maybe like a healthy exercise like always like hear something and evaluate it be skeptical like try to like digest it and think about it but just by immediately taking the opposite stance of whatever the majority whatever you've been taught your whole life is is going to lead you inevitably into the wrong direction or into multiple different wrong directions and i think we're seeing that a lot with social media especially i think things are because there's so much content the algorithm's answer is to silo things and so because there's just so much you can't consume everything the algorithms are basically okay let's keep people on these platforms let's give them something they love something they hate something they love something they hate keep them on this emotional roller coaster because like you leave these social apps and you're not feeling better you know what i mean like generally like i turn off my phone i'm not like oh that was so rewarding like i'm so glad i did that it's like no this is a slot machine and you win sometimes you lose sometimes and they're designed in that way to hack your brain to make you feel kind of like you need another hand and you're like oh i'm not like you need good content or bad content you just need another hit so as a result things are more siloed things don't spill over you're kind of stuck in your echo chamber and the concern is that it radicalizes people in every different direction not only like neo-nazi radicalization but like you'll have like ultra left-wing like dude mao was sick propaganda and you're like hold on we're getting too separated here and so i don't know if you know the youtuber uh j-reg no you may have seen him he's like brilliant j-reg i really like watching this stuff it's all i think story i think his name might be greg but his handle is j-reg so i actually don't even know how he pronounces it but he just does like really interesting like funny youtube content about like the political space and he did one this was like four or five years ago about like the overton window oh yeah this dude you've probably seen his face i have not seen this no he's great um post-modern love songs i already like him yeah yeah he's his new thing is like uh he's anti-clanker so he's like against like the the clank revolution so he's like trying to is that like a kind of thing it's a it's a like a funny say that on youtube not in england but yes it's a market just not trying to get demonetized it's like a the clanker thing is like a funny slur for like the robot overlords okay excuse me and uh but he made one of the overton window that i thought was great that you're in the overton window overton window is basically the window of acceptable discourse within any society so you know mccarthyism like communism was outside of the overton window like it was people were flirting with it and people were like no no you have to reel it in be more centrist and so that window will shift and like there's a bunch of different overton windows that exist in different communities right like there's words that we won't use and that those exist outside the overton window and he basically made this thing like the window historically was like shifting left shifting right you would have like during new deal america like yeah it was a little bit left and then like you know during reagan was moving right and like the way people would talk about stuff this window and he's saying now the window is broken and that it's shifting in both directions where like left left thoughts are good right thoughts are good but centrist thoughts are out he's right and that by claiming to be a centrist people on either side will be like oh you're actually right wing or being a centrist people like oh you're actually left wing and so now you have this bifurcation where the middle is out and the far ends are also out and i was like that is a great way to put it the window is not shifting anymore it's completely fractured you got to get that guy in for a podcast oh he's i hit him up actually recently i think he lives in canada yeah if you get him send him here afterwards i'd love to talk to him about that that is i think he's a thousand percent right but he has all sorts of interesting things about like horseshoe theory like you know we'll take you on one side well it's like he has you should just watch the videos but like basically like in every different uh political strata like things are horseshoeing and if you're familiar with horseshoe theory it's like as you go farther right and farther left it kind of meets in the same thing and so he's like you have far right wing people that are like yeah dude we hate jews we hate israel and then you have far left wing people that are like yeah we also hate and like they're like coming together and he shows there's a bunch of different horseshoes and uh i just think he's really clever but on the overton window thing i'm like i feel like that's what's happening is that as things are so siloed people are kind of just getting whatever feed they want and by having like a type of like politically neutral stance where you're sort of like taking some stuff from here some stuff from here and like being a normal human being which i still maintain most people are the internet and sort of the digital atmosphere that we're in like just separates people into such a crazy way i don't even know if anyone believes anything are you people on twitter being like dude hitler is cool and you're like do you even believe this are you just trying to get clicks it's not even real are you just living in some like developing country trying to make money on outraging people i'm like yeah that's a great point mark i mean you have to remember and i'd like to think i'm not an optimist about this i do i i and you as well obviously like i i do think we're right but when you go on to twitter which is on every continent basically probably on antarctica too i'm not sure but you know you can see a tweet that has 50 000 likes and 3 million views and you're like oh my god that's what everyone thinks yeah first of all 1.7 million of those views are bot accounts and not real including a 30 000 of those likes and the 20 000 likes that are there are people who are habitually tied to twitter all day yeah and liking shit so i will give you an example we were sitting in here recording with the religion business guys who are also dudes you should definitely have on your show on september 10th when charlie kirk was shot and we went to take a quick bathroom break and during the bathroom break deep was like dude charlie kirk just got shot and it's really bad and we're like oh shit and we got back on air and we were just all shell shocked and then we finished they they left deep left and it was like a weird day he's like what the fuck and i remember just seeing twitter and scrolling it 10-15 minutes and seeing how angry people were and i and i get that completely right and how politicized some of it immediately got and all that and then i put my phone down i walked to my window out there and it was around 5 30 maybe so it's during peak rush hour of people coming back and i watched people walking back from the path train down my street and ironically this was a day where not everyone was glued to their phones which is that felt very symbolic to me because usually you know i used to be fucking texting down the street but i'm watching people walk and these are people from ages 22 to 60. all different backgrounds people vote left people that vote right people that don't vote at all and there was no one with like a commotion or like holding their phone out like oh see that people were going about their lives i'm not saying that means you ignore something like that that was a seminal event for all the wrong reasons and and stuff i'm not saying that but i am saying this anger that you see it everything is not representative of the whole of society unless we try to make it in a way that we try to then dictate the world and we try to dictate the thing to come out into the real world and force people to get involved and force people to get mad at each other you know yeah yeah 100 i mean even seeing people mad about like zoron and trump like talking like people on the left like why are they why is he like capitulating to this you know fascist and people on the right being like why is trump talking this communist saying that they agree on stuff this is crazy i'm like no no both these people are elected they're in power i would love to see people cooperating yes like again i this might just be my my christian bias but you think about the book of matthew from time to time blessed are the peacemakers and uh not the peacekeepers necessarily you don't need to just like allow anything to happen all the time just fucking nato bro yeah just roll over but like make peace and like find people you disagree with and try to find common ground and pull them back to your side and maybe they'll pull you to your side and we can all kind of be in the middle and lower the temperature and i hate like the negative rhetoric because it also makes jokes harder in a way like i love you mean like i love comedy above fringes on my bill like do stand-up like is annoying to me so like i love making cultural jokes and jokes about people's backgrounds where they're from and like religion and all sorts of stuff that like when the temperature gets too hot people immediately get scared and so i'll be talking so i'm like oh you're mormon and people are like oh dude he's talking about religion i'm like no no i'm just like i know where the lines are i'm just gonna make some funny jokes about the underwear that's gonna be fine like i talked to a muslim dude a jewish guy and i can feel the tension where people are like oh no and in certain ways the tension is good because you can erase it but at the same time like i don't want to have to justify myself like hey i'm operating good faith i love people and i love these people specifically at this show right here in front of me i have nothing but empathy and respect and i just want to like tease and poke fun and make fun of myself and make fun of them it's not that deep and i you can just feel the tension in the room though it's like oh he said black oh no this is gonna be bad and it's like guys it's okay like i like i understand that there's actual bad actors out there that exist to like stir up vitriol and get people to hate each other that's not me And I just kind of want the temperature to settle because, again, like i don't think racism is funny but i think racial jokes are very funny no seriously though there there's a huge difference there yeah like you talk to anyone any of your guys that you've had on who are like in the military or whatever i mean that's like the diversity coalition yeah they got every race creed and religion in that thing and the way that they pass they'll tell you the way they pass the time is making funny jokes about each other's cultures yeah it's great yeah it's awesome i feel like that's just how dudes talk that's what i'm saying it's like there's somewhere along the way it became you know this locker room duck you're not allowed to do that at all you know i'm not saying you gotta go all the way with don't be full of talent you know sometimes it deep hits me like i gotta pull it back but still like when we got to a point where people were litigating every word you said you're like oh this slippery slope's way worse than whatever the other side is like yeah that's where we're at now where it's getting weird because you made that point that j-reg the youtube yeah yeah channel right there which can we make a note to link that in the description just so people can can check that out but like he was talking about the overton window has now removed centrism and it's far one way or the other and i don't think there's any better example than like the dichotomy of like not to single it out but just look at at this kind of like symbol right here the dichotomy between like woke policing of all words and anyone who speaks against us we're shut down your speech at a fucking college with balaclavas and shit versus like nick fuentes like the there's no i there's nothing but air between those two yeah you know i mean heavy air that they can't walk through with gas whatever right like there is there is significant space between them and so people who are just like yeah no i don't like that i don't like that either they're like shut the fuck up yeah right now like to me i've been talking about this recently because i hadn't seen yeah i don't like that either they're like shut the fuck up yeah right now like to me i've been talking about this recently because i hadn't seen christopher nolan's batman trilogy in a while but i re-watched it a couple months ago and holy shit did he because he made these movies in 0407 and 2011 they came out in 0508 in 2012 holy shit did he nail where society was going prophetic yeah like and he does that with a lot of his movies but what he does is before he does a film he picks a word as his tone this is what the film is about not necessarily the title of the film like a word so for dark knight it was chaos i started thinking about that i'm like oh my god okay dark knight chaos who represents that well obviously the joker he's chaos right but who's the symbolic figure spoiler alert in the movie who gets flipped by the chaos harvey dent it becomes two-face he becomes the very thing that he hates and i looked at and i said some of the shit that's being pushed on the internet right now is the joker and we all have to decide if we're going to be harvey dent are we going to be harvey dent or we're going to become the things that used to be like ah nah come on that's me and like be a nice guy you know what i mean regardless of what your beliefs are just fucking stop yeah or are we going to be like yeah fuck this we're so mad that we're going to be calling that yeah yeah yeah because now you have people on the right being like you can't make jokes about this you can't make jokes about whatever terrible thing i don't like and it's like really like it's just like circling back and it's like let's just everyone take a breath yeah yeah like and i i understand information is hard and understanding what's going on is difficult so like the way i operate is if i don't understand something pop in a chat gbt ask a question you know pop in a grok ask the same question you get two answers you find kind of like the balance and then you go ask someone that you think knows if you have a question about a religion about a culture about a people go ask them and then you'll realize like oh wow we're actually human beings and we agree on a lot of stuff and we're not actually all that crazy and if you don't know then uh just maybe uh maybe listen oh that would be a change shut the fuck up right like there's a lot of shit i don't know and i probably said a lot of stuff on here that i that might not even be completely factual but i'm operating good faith and if i got something wrong that's you know that's my bad and like if i don't know i'll just be like dude i don't know yeah you're putting out three episodes a week three hours like you know four and christos over there yeah it's like a joker like yeah but you know but finding people you think are operating good faith i think is essential yes and you're not gonna get every line right or you're gonna say something you're not gonna get every line right or you're gonna say something you're not gonna be like well that was fucking dumb right afterwards like it's part of being human but i think there are a lot of people who do that now by a lot of people i mean a handful of people relative to society online who make a living by doing that in 280 characters or less 40 times a day and i think they start to believe it after a while oh yeah you heard that term the mask eats the face actually no it's uh is it i i think about a lot because it's like i think people specifically online will kind of play characters like you'll be on twitter and you'll be like okay i'm doing this like outrage people and i get clicks and da da da and after enough time this mask ends up becoming you you know what i mean like the mask like literally eats the person that's wearing and then the character becomes the person yeah you know nobody cared who i was exactly dude interstellar or whatever he's on the spaceship i haven't seen it i'm just assuming i'm not familiar exactly with all the movies i'm sorry okay i read books sometimes oh my god yeah who does all the research no we actually over here like i'm i'm the brains we have a bunch of people that are awesome we got my buddy zach my friend sofia uh my buddy jesus and like they'll pitch topics and ideas and like help aggregate the research and we go through it and then you know pick some stuff write some jokes and slip some jokes in there but dude the jokes are fucking phenomenal i appreciate because your timing is so good with it like the little things i was seeing one recently i think i was watching the freemasons one and you're like christos do you want to talk you start to say something well and i'm like i'm not gonna say anything i'm just gonna say something that wasn't enough right now that's become a running gag throughout the episode i mean where did they even start do you remember all right all right all right so look it's like it just tries to jump in all the time just non-stop every part i do it's really annoying well at least he's not on the other side of a fucking wall now yeah exactly mark used to have this poor guy like there was like a wall separating me you have to like yell through the walls and it was in a little lair it was in east berlin it's like fucking harry potter's like under what's what was that thing called the cupboard yeah exactly you're in a cupboard under the stairs we're in this nice fucking studio and kids super yeah we brought him inside finally yeah jesus but no that's a running gag we do every episode that uh i think christos i love the timing i love i love the timing on it but you know like you're also it's it's funny but you're talking about real things including some sometimes obviously you're covering one where you're like all right a lot of people are saying this one's not real but here's what's reported on it but then you're talking about other things like the freemasons that are like but turn over a fucking dollar bro this is a hundred percent real well that's the thing that i find interesting about conspiracy stuff like obviously being raised in the home that i was raised in i was like inoculated with this from a young age but like i was i was vaxxed out that was the only facts i got actually was conspiracy shit but uh it's like i think that by discrediting stuff and like writing it off you just leave way more room for people to run with crazy narratives and bad actors that are trying to make money off you and so i'm like okay let's just examine what's actually out here and why people believe this right like was america founded by freemasons you're like just sort of you know like a lot of high-ranking like founding fathers were a part of the freemasons is it this evil satanic cult trying to like you know do child sacrifice i'm like sure there's bad actors in every society but it seems like it was like a men's club where guys would share ideas i'm like did you join i wish i wish dude i think i i actually went to the freemasonic temple in boston and like walked around and toured it was kind of sick it's like one of the oldest ones in the u.s and i knew a guy that ended up buying the restaurant that was connected to it he's like yeah do you want to go look and i was like yeah so like a little tunnel no it was like just a bunch of different rooms that's only in brooklyn dave you got something i was gonna say that the show that i brought to the edinburgh fringe in 2022 our theater was an old freemasons temple oh there's a bunch yeah a lot of them are defunct like the the masonic in san francisco is like a massive performing arts venue it's like concerts and comedians and we perform there like a bunch of like it's like a just like a theater do you feel the ghosts in the walls yeah exactly dude you can hear george washington talk to you like fuck the hell dude is ben franklin in here yeah ben franklin was from sonic a bunch of them but again i don't subscribe to this idea that like it's a satanic cult doing death rituals to like children to like drink their blood which like is part of not i don't even know if anyone even believes that but like you just hear crazy stuff i'm like my assumption is that it's a uh like an organized society based off of like old testament like mystical schools like you know king solomon obviously it's like one of the founding sort of like i guess philosophical like ethoses that kind of fit into freemason like freemasonry but it's like this medieval like men's club where like philosophers and like new age kind of thinkers were meeting and talking and then it carried on this tradition it's kind of like a frat yeah there's a way that's how that's how it always kind of felt but people run with it and they're like oh they're controlling the world at a point they did maybe at a point they did at some point yeah i don't i think now it's all the masons i've ever met are just like a bunch of old dudes that sit around and wear cool outfits right they wear like the kilt they're all capes right yeah yeah which people say is the the google mail logo you ever seen that the google mail logo sonic logo yeah this is this is again uh maybe i have no idea on the 33rd floor exactly dude is that like and so i'm like hashtag blackstone maybe again i'm not ever saying what it is come on this is what they wear they they wear like this sort of like red little apron thing i wouldn't know I like Scarlet Letter more than that, but I don't know. People are like, dude, this is literally Gmail. Gmail is Mason. that's how they got epstein what it what it is he's messaging from a gmail like dude like use proton or something like use telegram like what let's overthrow the fucking ivory coast via gmail on gmail vacation at gmail.com what are you doing dude it's incredible have you emailed that email yet we should just see if anyone's reading fire one off from joey deefe dude another great little the email pulls him up yeah i'm hearing about this joey deefe have you ever heard yeah he's gonna be at edinburgh fringe next year that might be a good way to promote your dates i'm just performing at the venue from 15 o'clock to 16 o'clock yeah i might do that i might just drop my tour dates in an email hope it gets released and then people are like wait mark's in here wait a second he's gonna be at zany's in chicago gotta go see this guy oh my god you a lot of weird shit with that the one that i think is really funny is uh have you seen maxwell hill have you heard this people suspect that galene maxwell was a power broker on reddit oh i have seen this before do you think that's real there's a lot of weird shit with it all right what's the weird shit well like okay a couple of things is that there's basically a reddit account that is like a mod on like the top subreddits like world news and like all the biggest ones that have millions of people that are getting their news every single day coming from reddit and there's like a bigger conspiracy like oh intelligence and like different foreign operatives are a part of this like small community of people that control what you see on reddit and this is like millions of people getting their information with a disorderly small group of anonymous editors that are like submitting links and getting instantly approved and getting to the front page that doesn't sound crazy it's not so that part is a little a little weird and people suspect that you know well people don't suspect that this is true that there is an account called maxwell hill that was disseminating a ton of information across all of these different reddit accounts all right all of these different subreddits basically like promoting different ideas and a lot of it was just like regular news stuff but people look at a lot of the comments and they say oh they're using a lot of like british colloquialisms saying like bloody hell and like spelling color like oh you are oh yeah and so it's like a lot of like britishisms and then there's even like plse which i need to double check i think she's saying please but normally when people when normally when people will abbreviate please they'll do pls she's doing it the british way plse and if you look at the emails that she has corresponding with jeffrey epstein there's a lot of the same words that are used not to mention that the day she was arrested the account never posted again you can fact check me on this please i'm pretty sure that's the case that is but like there's posts every single day multiple times a day and i think there's a lot of people who are saying that the day she was arrested the account has been inactive you know what i think about with this whole case not just this one example her name is galene maxwell and the account is called maxwell hill right that's what i'm saying it's like if i were and i don't know who this would be or what the motives would be i have my thoughts on who epstein is and who we work for and all that but it's he's obviously someone who especially by the end of his life had a very high profile he was known to probably every functional intelligence agency around the world if i were any type of foreign actor trying to create mass hysteria confusion insert adjective here along those lines and i knew about cases like this i might do something like this i might you know have a little side gig for the analyst over here hey you know use some british colloquialism set up this account call it something really obvious too and then you know if she ever goes down we'll shut it down possible it's possible or it's exactly what it looks like and it's like that when you look at that that is zero to a hundred there's like no there's no middle those are complete opposite scenarios that's what makes it so confusing and sometimes it's like there are there are some conspiracies that are so true and so obvious and right in your face and you know it and it's not like if you brought it into a court of law if it were ever allowed to be in a real court of law they'd be the jury wouldn't even go back to deliberate it there it's guilty yeah but if i were the people who were a part of those things or whose livelihood depended on you know things like that being shoved under the rug i would try to promote a massive campaign using the internet of course to try to get people to believe everything believe that the earth is flat believe that you know you know the sun gods are coming down to do whatever the to an alien anal probe you insert it here so that all these the people who had the loudest voices would run with everything yeah such that i'm going to use round numbers here let's say they were screaming about 10 different conspiracies and one of them is epstein it's 100 true everything they're saying is actually like bar for bar word for word true i could then discredit them by saying oh you're going to listen to this guy look at the other he believes disinformation that's what i would do yeah yeah it's not crazy to me and like again if you're putting in a bunch of i mean like people will say like the term conspiracy theorist is like created by the government that's the whole day yeah the cia yeah so it's like potentially you'd like put in a bunch of good stuff with the bad stuff by good i mean true and then bad false and you just kind of mix them up and then you can discredit people pretty easily which is possible which is why i'm like just be extremely scrutinizing with everything you consume that's right and that's why i'm like kind of averse to certainty i'm like i kind of leave everything as like yeah maybe like i don't really assume that i know anything unless i've like interacted or like seen something with my own eyes like i generally try to keep a little air of uh humility like yeah i don't really know good for you i like more or less i hope i've done that today i'm like yeah maybe it was crowley talking to an alien maybe right is epstein asking questions here yeah just ask questions you know i think it's interesting i think it's worth examining but again i'm never going to say it is there it isn't but is it possible that glenn maxwell you know understood the power of media and the power of controlling information and maybe she learned it from a newspaper magnet that you know is shares her same name that happens to be her father that's connected with intelligence i mean it's possible but who knows i don't claim to know okay and if there is not a good faith person that's running the maxwell hill account that i've completely besmirched i apologize and uh yeah good preemptive apology yeah and this is all alleged or just kind of makes it all alleged but you know just asking questions here from my end not marrying you to anything but what do you think epstein was i think uh connected to everything i think he was just like a power broker that liked to conquer and also happened to be a pedophile you know what i mean like and he was using all this stuff connected i wouldn't even surprise me if like he was you know sort of propped up because they knew that they had this uh like blackmail on him like hey you're you have this terrible like evil affliction where you try to abuse children and successfully do and so as a result of your you know predilection and this like evil thing that you do we can now give you information because you're compromised off rip and then you can do a lot of our bidding and dirty work and like manage a lot of finances we can use that exactly so like that wouldn't surprise me and i think he's probably connected to everyone he's like making deals with whoever is going to get him more power so if he's you know working with cia sure if he's working with you know foreign intelligence massage mi6 i'm sure he's connected to everyone i don't think that he has a super strong nationalistic lines except for what makes jeffrey epstein more money and more power yeah i could see how intelligence services over the years of course we're discovering you know insert country here whether it be the us uk wherever we're discovering that this intelligence asset was running some of the sickest twisted things right under their nose and they realized people in their own government were now blackmailed by it and so they knew there was a line on what they actually could do with them and i have personally my opinion i don't have a lot of doubt that these organizations be it mi6 be it cia you insert it here you know would have gone to a guy like that and said it's like two people holding the gun to each other like okay you know that we know that you know that we know that we can't actually stop you from doing this because of what you know about what we know about what you know about what we know therefore you're now paying a tax yeah so if we want some information you're going to give it to us you know and you get to do your sick sadistic twisted yeah and they make literally the deal with the devil yeah i could see that and i think that's why a lot of these countries around the world don't want to talk about this because they may look at it and say oh you know he he was like a masad guy or something like that but then we all got involved too yeah everyone's i think i don't think anyone's hands are clean like people try to pin it on one specific country everyone's like oh it's just us he's obviously connected with these people and like he was given a sweetheart deal in the united states you know what i mean like he was operating generally with impunity in the united states but they're they're going to say in the comments mark don't you know the jews run the world exactly i'm like look i think he's connected to anyone that's willing to cut him a deal i think the emails actually are making that case more than ever reading through this and seeing all the different countries he's like getting involved with the senior government it's like what the like sometimes you never fucking heard of. - Yeah, he's there. - And you're like, this guy is just, you know, yes, he's running around with a hood Barack for sure. And that's not great in every way. And yeah, I think that's where it emanated from probably with Israel, but- - He's telling Prince Andrew. - He ends up, yeah, he becomes this whole thing. - Yeah, again, I almost look at him like Crowley in a way where I'm like, you were willing to do to just do reconnaissance for whomever was gonna just like cut you a deal yeah and i think he was like yeah eventually like everyone's got compromise like compromise on me i got compromise on them we're in a standoff yeah i asked we had lawrence krauss in here in 2023 or whatever and you know he was a physicist who got his shit funded by epstein he went to the island and everything and you're asking him about it he's like well physicists need money he was offering money and he was like legit friends with the guy and it's like you're always gonna anytime you meet someone that this guy touched your it was around it's a bad word to use but you know what i mean it was around there's always going to be that question like are you you know maybe maybe not but there is no doubt that he had a tremendous ability to obviously schmooze people who really were pedophiles or sick sadistic fucks which there's no doubt that there is an uncomfortable number of people who are pedophiles who are pedophiles who are pedophiles who are pedophiles and positions of power if you will who are that but he was also able to schmooze other people who weren't yeah and by doing that associate them with the whole thing and make them dirtied forever yeah and though and i your guess is as good as mine which people are which you know there's some i think we can see definitely in one way but like you know the ones who actually didn't do anything and just got besmirched by or whatever yeah i feel a little bit bad for some of them some of them it's like you know you're like dude you why were you still talking about 2014 like he should have thought about you know he was convicted before like you should have known yeah but yeah no there's people going on the island in 1999 they're like yeah i didn't know and maybe they're lying maybe they're telling the truth again i don't know i don't know these people so i'm just like going off word but like i i wouldn't be surprised if this is an attempt to like yeah get everyone wrapped up with him yeah and then everyone's a little dirty and then everyone shuts the fuck up that's right and we can keep on like funding this coup in this country and sending weapons to this country and i think the financial dealings are in a way like almost dirtier like obviously like his uh sex trafficking operation is like the most vile thing i know on human earth but it's like the financial operations implicates way more people yeah you know i mean like let's say a couple hundred people were going to this island to do you know like criminal sexual activity it's like oh well how many hundreds of thousands he funded a civil war that killed a hundred thousand people right how many people are saying how many people are implicated in the financial crimes yeah that he was basically operating as like a you know almost like a financial black site where it's like hey some money here funds people here i think they i think a lot of people benefited from everyone being wrapped up and dirty in this web i think you're right and the fact that uh yeah every government is run by pedophiles my mom's right mrs gagman was onto it she was she was an early adopter exactly exactly she bought the iphone one on on the pedophile government thing but you know i had mike yagley sitting in that seat a couple times and it was funny because at the end of end of the first episode we did we record the whole thing and basically he's a a data expert who can go through data and figure out what people are doing and where they are like as a publicly accessible spying tool and so he runs through his whole history with this and how he brought it to the government going you guys got a fucking problem and then at the end of our first conversation he's like yeah we didn't even get to epstein today i'm like what he's like oh yeah i was tracking people the island i'm like damn it you say that at the beginning of the episode not the end so i brought him back that we did 343 i brought him back right away we did 351 and he went through that whole thing when the epstein story came out like really mainstream in 2019 he's like oh i can go by data from 2015 2016 2017 right in there and long after he was convicted and see who's down there and he's like he's got it down to the names of the bartenders who were there standing across from bill gates while he's on the island whoa and he's like he's got it down to the names of the bartenders who were there standing across from bill gates and he's and and i said obviously you're very connected with the government now because you had undercover you basically over a decade ago he had uncovered all this shit about some of their missions being publicly available clandestine missions anyone could fucking get it from their bedroom if they tried and i'm like what'd they do with this information he said no one ever called about it and you could tell like mike yagley looks like he's about to have a brain aneurysm at all times that he's talking but you could tell like that vein in his forehead was just like whoa and you're just like of course they didn't you gotta wonder why they didn't yeah and there's probably other people doing similar shit and maybe it's not to this scale or maybe it's not this exact pathway but it's like yeah there's this guy that's cheating on his wife and uh he's being used as a tool for this operation there's this dude who's secretly gay and living in a country it's illegal and he's doing this thing you're not gonna give someone power and information without having to do anything about it some type of uh some type of rope on it you know that's the great i don't want to call it a hypocrisy but that's a great oversight i think people who really look at this case have it's like the thing about epstein is that he was so overt about it and he got cocky yeah and just he liked being seen right and that did him in that's he did himself in he went from being a very effective spy if you will to being a very bad spy because the number one thing that's going to happen to him is that he's going to be a bad person and he's going to be a good person and he's going to be a good person and he's going to be a good person and he's going to be a good person and he's going to be a good person and he's going to be a good person and he's going to be a good person and he's going to be a good person and he's going to be a good person and he's going to be a good person and he's going to be a good person and he's going to be a good person and he's going to be a good person and he's going to be a good person and he's going to be a good person and he's going to be a good person and it's like that makes it extra in your face and then the scale of people that we now know he and it's like that makes it extra in your face and then the scale of people that we now know he sees around the world and here in your face and then the scale of people that we now know he sees around the world and here would be naive in my opinion sees around the world and here would be naive in my opinion yeah but it goes again it goes against would be naive in my opinion yeah but it goes again it goes against the american ethos we're the good guys yeah but it goes again it goes against the american ethos we're the good guys yeah we're supposed to we don't the american ethos we're the good guys yeah we're supposed to we don't do anything wrong but that's the yeah we're supposed to we don't do anything wrong but that's the thing mark you have an organization do anything wrong but that's the thing mark you have an organization need is five people to be in on thing mark you have an organization need is five people to be in on something that other people don't need is five people to be in on something that other people don't have reading on they talk about something that other people don't have reading on they talk about it in the skiff and they run a have reading on they talk about it in the skiff and they run a mission and they say you think all it in the skiff and they run a mission and they say you think all these people can keep a secret mission and they say you think all these people can keep a secret some people some people still believe these people can keep a secret some people some people still believe in santa some people some people still believe in santa right bringing it all the way back dude in santa right bringing it all the way back dude some people believe it way too long do you think way too long do you think way too long do you think the freemasons invented santa as like a the freemasons invented santa as like a the freemasons invented santa as like a psyop on society psyop on society psyop on society oh that's far let's think about it let's oh that's far let's think about it let's oh that's far let's think about it let's think about it i thought about that in the think about it i thought about that in the think about it i thought about that in the amazon reading my back amazon reading my back amazon reading my back we didn't even talk about that i wanted we didn't even talk about that i wanted we didn't even talk about that i wanted to get a whole deep dive on your on your to get a whole deep dive on your on your to get a whole deep dive on your on your amazon experience we'll do that in even want to google that some people some people think he's red because there was like a mushroom that people used to take during the pagan holiday that yeah i'm gonna need a muscaria exactly use my link jd22 he's sponsored that's right but it's like the red and white mushroom that people would take but uh no i'm saying it's probably not freemasons but maybe what is the history like when did the freemasons begin the technical beginning is medieval i think it's like 1300 and they literally started as like stonemasons because they wanted to like build shit after the plague is that right it was like a guild basically of like stonemasons that were like smart coming together forming a union and then it kind of got imbued with like mystical elements that hearkened back to the second temple period of ancient israel where king solomon basically built you know the temple for the jews right that was then destroyed by the second one was by the babylonians and so hiram abif was this this is not in the torah or anything but this is like alleged through like jewish folklore that hiram abif was a phoenician architect and the phoenicians at the time were the ones that were building all the cool shit in the area so they bring in this phoenician architect that's able to build the second temple and his name is hiram abif and in freemasonic lore hiram abif is like the master builder the master mason has all of this unknown knowledge that's able to know how to build these amazing structures there's also an element where like some people believe that king solomon used demons to build temples that he was given a ring that was from like one of the archangels that basically was able to like control the spirit world and that was part of how they built it this is again folklore and the masons like when the freemasons were actually developed in like medieval europe it was hearkening back to this period but technically the actual formation is like around medieval times and then american freemasonry comes out of like the early 90s and the early 90s and the early 90s and the scottish right freemasonry that is kind of like a reinterpretation of old european masons but it was developed by albert pike who was a former confederate general that ends up being relieved of his duties as a confederate general and then develops confederate general yeah not a united states no this is during civil war oh it's during civil war yeah that scottish right freemasonry comes out of albert pike's hand oh i thought you i'm thinking like pre-revolution so the timeline's off okay yeah it was like freemasonry seems like it really develops in america around civil war time from albert pike but it was very existent pre-revolution the old guard and it kind of like lost some of its allure because it went to public so people were trying to like they got ostracized a lot of people left because there was like a bunch of scandals that happened and then scottish right freemasonry kind of like rebirthed it in america what were the scandals i'm trying to remember exactly there was specific scandals where like one of the lodges went very public and they were like no they were like they were like they were like they were like they were like no the whole thing is that we're supposed to be underground so they went very public and then there was another scandal i forget what it was there was one that like kind of did them in i can't remember specifically but it was like some type of death there like there was a cover-up oh there was william morgan disappearance 1826 william morgan yeah so this was one of the ones in america that basically this guy was associated with the masons and then there was like a big clash with like the religious elite the masons because they always hated each other and then he ends up disappearing and no one ever finds out where he's from or where he went or anything like that and they're like oh the masons killed him and then it became a whole scandal that like really affected like the philosophy and the idea around freemasons in america thank you guys for checking out this clip if you haven't already subscribed please subscribe and hit the like button on this video it is a huge huge help and if you'd like to check out this clip's full podcast episode that link is in the description below or right here and finally you can follow me on instagram and x by using the links in my 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