The Remote Viewing PROBLEM When it Comes to Jesus Christ | Mark Gagnon

Hey guys, if you're not following me on Spotify please hit that follow button and leave a five-star review. They're both a huge, huge help. Thank you. Like, uh, yeah, you can be like the guy that saves the day if you go over there and talk to him. And he ends up getting captured in like Scotland, I think, and then send us the prison and I think send us. Yeah, he was in prison during the whole hour. He like crash lands there. Yeah, crash lands, he's like, I'm here to help and they're like, no, bitch, you're going in prison. And apparently Hitler found out that the astrologer is one of the people that advised him. And Hitler was like done with all these guys, get the astrologers, like all these mystical woo-woo people, fuck all this shit. No, no, no, no, no, no, literally like is like sends them all to prison and get some out of here. But then a lot of them get bailed out of these camps and like concentration centers and shit because they were trying to use psychics to find American boats like military positions. How does that work out? Not great, not well. But they apparently, if you look at the Pendulum Institute, the Pendulum Institute. I can't, I, this might be British, but I think the Nazis were doing this as a response to the British that they were basically using remote viewers. The Pendulum Institute was created by the British to use remote viewers to find you boats, like German you boats. And then the Germans were like, well, if they're doing that, we should do our version of it. And they started bailing out these mystics and clairvoyance to try to like use a cult spy where it's like a South Park episode. Now the way I view this is like, you're at the end of the war. You're just trying any shit you can. I guess I don't think it was actually effective. I don't think they were actually using psychics to do the shit. What do you think about our side tangent for a minute? We'll come back to this. But what do you think about some of our people? Like the Joe McMannacles, and I forget this other lady she was on Sean Ryan and then Chris Ramsey actually just had her own evidence chance to see it yet, but who were part of project stargating claim to be able to remove view. Do you buy any of it? I don't know. I go back at the remote view is the thing I think about it a decent amount because it's just like. Like they're like in go swan as a part of like CA docs and that he was actually working with them, but I'm like, the I've had explained to me this way that it's like low cost high impact. So it's like, okay, this is this budget for this is going to be a million bucks and to us we're like, dude, you're spending a million dollars and remote viewing. There must be something there. If you look in the totality of the US defense budget, it's like 0.001%. So they're like, oh, this costs nothing and the impact might be huge. Right. Give it a shot. It's like the moon shot kind of thing. And it's like, yeah, let's just try. Let's just see a couple cents at it. Who knows? These people claim they can do some stuff. Let's talk to them. And then they end up getting these docs and then it, you know, feel like kind of, you know, goes out that way. I'm like, I just I'm too skeptical to fully be like, yes, this is what's happening. But at the same time, there are a ton of like remote viewers. Like secret government projects for seven, seven years, 60 years. It's just like Chris Ramsey was explaining to me the test score history of mcmonical. Like the way I go rolled that up to 48 that did with him. Go roll that up a so because he explained it or 247, he explained it way better. But there was like, there's a series of levels that you go through and they test you to be able to write on a piece of paper, what's on like the other side of like a window that they have. And he scored like a perfect, I want to say six or six, yeah, on it or something. So there was, it's like, there's a there there. But is the there that's there or something that can like, you know, fucking remote view something that's going to happen in a year or something like that. And then on top of that, it's like, okay, you can let's say there is a there. Right. You're channeling something. How like predictable is it? Like, can you actually just be like, okay, give me coordinates. I'm going to see some secret base someplace far away. And then how reliable is that? Are you really going to send like a bunch of the boys, you know, American troops because this guy said this thing. Right. That's like that costs a lot of money too. Exactly. Exactly. So it's like, I don't know. There's still a part of the reserve skepticism, but I do find it interesting enough to look into. Did you see the clip of that same lady I was talking about when she was on Sean Ryan, where he asked her about the crucifixion. No, that kind of freaked me out a little bit. Why was she such? It could have been like total if she's like an actress in complete bullshitting. It could have been like just like a bad actress moment that was so bad that it was good. Or it's like what the fuck where, you know, Sean sitting back there in his chair and he's like, so if you ever remote viewed the crucifixion. And she just like looks up and she's quiet. And there's like a long pause. He goes, you don't want to talk about that. She's like, that's the whole clip. That's the clip. No, we need to know what happened. Yeah, can we pull that up? I mean, that's a lot of Sean doesn't call Jeremy and they won't copy right as hopefully. But there's a clip Sean Ryan remote viewer Jesus Instagram. I mean, try that is fast. And again, like with the remote viewing stuff, I'm like, I find it all interesting. Like I love diving into the rabbit hole, but like I haven't seen a case that I'm like, this is 100% true. You know, is it even possible to say that? I mean, like, how do you like what? Yeah, this is it. Were you there? All right. So government psychic physically disturbed when asked about remote viewing the crucifixion. Here we go. If it's copyrighted, it's going to skip this. Go Google with people you'll be able to see it. Looked into if you tried to look into religion at all, such as the crucifixion. I don't like that. Do you have? Do you not want to talk about that? Okay. Okay. Well, it doesn't give us a time. Everyone's delivery was incredible. Yeah. You don't want to. All right, moving on. I mean, what does that tell us? I don't know. Man, it she could be a horrible actress. That's where my head did go. I'm not going to lie. Maybe the Muslims are right. Maybe. Right. Like in Islam, tell her to draw Muhammad and we'll find out. Okay. Don't do that. No one do. I'm not serious. According to Islam, like all my Muslim brothers will appreciate this. Jesus, peace be upon him, is the prophet before to do like the thing to back lover goes peace be upon him. No, no, no. I have all respect for all religions of the world. But no, no, it's like a sign of respect. I hope back lovers not like making that shit up. He's Muslim. Okay. Every time he goes to Jesus, peace be upon him. Oh, no, I've never seen. Yeah, it's like kind of you're like, oh, all right. We're here now. That's so funny. Yeah. Okay. I think it's very serious. Well, they put the peace on Jesus every time. I'm like, do that. You guys might be more Christian than me. That's fine. But he's the the prophet before the prophet Muhammad also peace be upon him. And according to some like Muslim sources, again, it's never really said in the Quran, they basically say that it appeared to the people as if Jesus was crucified. That's what it says. And then there's no further explanation of what exactly that means. So some people suspect that it's possible that Jesus was switched. And that Jesus never died that he basically was ascended into heaven as a prophet and then will return at the end of days to defeat the anti-Christ, the Dajjal. And that this is like a part of like Muslim eschatology. And so Jesus is in heaven ascends into heaven. He ascended without being crucified. Without being crucified. He just goes to live with with a law and then is going to come back at the end of days. But there was someone that was crucified to look like Jesus. Now some Muslims believe this is not like a you know, doctrinal, but this is one of the elements of Islam. So if this woman went back and saw it, the maybe she's like, I saw it. Praise be Allah. No, they swapped Jesus. I don't know. We have to ask her. We have to ask what we start some problems. Someone was right, dude, so runs New York. But yeah, that's a that's why I was hoping she was going to be like, Oh, yeah, he died, you know, three days in the tomb went to heaven. 100% saw it. I'd be like, whoo. I was a Catholic. I'd be like, yes. Well, you're fucking Easter live stream as Jesus. I was one of the funniest things I've ever seen and we can't play because I was M&M in the background. I watched that probably 75 times. Bro, I went to church with my baby recently. This was like last Sunday. I was like, no, I can see the confusion. But yeah, yeah. Yeah, we discussed that on the Patreon. Just pointing at Jesus. Bro, what the fuck are you two, two trailer park girls might round me in the background where you're like, yeah, what's up fam? I'm risen. What's good? Yeah. No, we're kind of talking terms right now. It was like a trend. Like I saw some people do it as like different historical figures. And I was like, I look too much like Jesus not to do this. I sent it to my priest. I was like, is this sacrilegate? Was he upset about it? He was like, no, I think it's yeah, he's got it. I mean, it's comedy. That's what you do for a living. It's what like we can't play it because of the music. But I wonder if like I can win with it. It's so fucking funny. We back. Wait for a few more people to drink. And then the fucking water turns to wine. Go live with Judas, rather not still not on good terms. How many followers do you have now? Start with 12 numbers going up pretty steadily. You did watch it. You actually you actually do my hair look great there. Shout out. once the merch dropping, gonna do a chain draft. Pop up pop up stores around Roman Galilee. - I can send you the version without music that we could play. - Oh my god, send me that. - I will, I will. - I will. - I will. - So good. - I appreciate that thing. - Holy shit, you gotta do more of that. - 'Cause you're like a good actor too. - Oh, thank you. - I appreciate that. - No one's asking that. - Ask me where I was during the crucifixion watch. - What were you? - I don't want to talk. - No, no, you have to not say anything. You have to like, it's your. - Okay. - That's right. - No, I'd buy it. (laughing) I'd buy it. Have you thought about, I've asked you this before, but like since have you thought about like doing any acting stuff, I know you weren't like the biggest fan. - I'm, again, I'm open. If someone was like, do we have the sick role? It's a part of his awesome thing. Do you want to be in it and be like, 100%. If it's like, hey, do you want to audition a bunch and see if he has something, I'm like, yeah, I'm good. But if it opened up, again, I like stand up. I like, I love, I love comedy more than anything. That's the thing that I've like, identify with as a human. So I'm like, I would do that. If I could just do that forever, I'll do that forever, you know what I mean? So I'm like, that's. - It's a different thing, you know? - Well, that's the thing with acting, you are trying your best to become someone different. - Right. - The Christian Bale is like, allegedly, I haven't seen any of his movies, but allegedly is able, no, I saw, I saw Dallas Byers Club, you see in there? - No, I don't know. - Same thing. So you can see, right? - Get out. - One of, if not the most common DMs I get on Instagram are many of you asking me what my favorite books are. Well, today's your lucky day, because if you use the link in my description below to join my newsletter, I'm gonna give you my top 10 book recommendations right now. 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I'm like, "Do Dakshepard?" - Dude, look at this. - I love this guy. That Daksh is great. - No, he's awesome. But more people, if you're gonna meet McConaughey or Daksh, more people. - You're gonna tell me you like Daksh more than me. - Exactly. Like most people are like to McConaughey though. But I was like, - I miss a flat circle. - Oh no, I saw Interstellar. I saw Interstellar fire. I love it. So respect McConaughey. Respect both of them, of course. But what did you even just do to the mic? I've never seen that before. - Well, let go. - Put a little blue show in there. - What the fuck? - You've never seen that? - No. It's magic. - Okay. - Yeah. - Just giving a little bit of the little vibes. - Alright, so I ruined everything. - But no, I would be interested actually right now, the thing I'm curious about the most is I would love to do a comedy special about the Abrahamic faiths. - Now that's risky. I mean, I will say, like you're even your clips, 'cause obviously you're not putting your whole sets on Instagram, but even your clips, like you take some risks at work every time. - I appreciate that. - Like own it. - I appreciate it. And you're like, listen, just nerdy white guy here don't like me anyway, not your name, it's exactly. - Well dude, I like, maybe I've shared this before on it. I apologize about that. - I'm sorry. I'm sorry, I ruined it. - No, what did you, you have no idea? - Yeah, what the fuck? - Yeah, we're gonna put creases to work. - Just like Bennett. - I'm sorry, D if I ruined your mic. - It's alright. - I'll fix it. - I fucked it all up. - Alright, that's better. - There we go. - Give it some buy, Agra. - Yeah, exactly. - I love cultures and I love people. - Yes. - I think above anything else, I genuinely love people. Like I'm so fascinated and I don't judge. I'm like, I'll find it funny. I think there's certain things that I think are hilarious. But like I love people and I think the, maybe not the best way, but an essential way to understand a culture is to understand their religion. Like I always say this on religion. I'm like, I don't think you can understand a people without knowing the God they worship. So for me, it's like, I wanna understand the faith. 'Cause most of these cultures don't exist ontologically outside of their faith, right? Like in order to understand the Middle East, you have to understand Islam. To understand America, you have to understand pure tanical evangelical Christianity. To understand Western Europe, you gotta understand Catholicism. Like it's intrinsic to understanding the people is how they orient their lives. And for most of them, it's the most of a single important thing in their life. So it's like, at the very least, as a respectful human being on this planet, I should know the bare minimum, right? - Yes. - I should understand what the Quran is about. I should read some of the Hadiths. I should get that. Like I should read the Talmud. I should understand the Torah. That's a knock. To me, it's like kind of just like being a respectful human being is to like know more or less what it's about. You don't gotta read everything, of course. But so for me, I'm like, I love culture. I love people. And I wanna understand how they're connected. And religion culture and how they're connected. And so doing all these different channels is a way to kind of like understand better and be less ignorant about all these people that share the planet. - Yeah, I like that you're doing the different topics like that too, where you have like religion, camp is one, go through the history and everything. - And then for me, comedy is just like, okay, let's take all this data and then make it funny. - Yeah, now how do you, obviously you're gonna take risks doing that. Obviously, as a comedian, you can't worry about like on a certain level offending someone who wants to be offended and stuff like that. But how do you do that in a way where you're like, all right, I'm gonna not piss off the majority of people. They'll always be a subset of us. - But the way you do that is-- - Most people are gonna like it. - You know more. - By knowing like about the culture and actually like immersing yourself, like calling up your body from high school that is Nigerian and you're like, oh, dude, I didn't, like I never even connected like your culture and like the fact that your parents are like from, you know, logos or whatever. Like I didn't, I didn't ever connect that with who you are as a person. So like tell me about your culture and shit. You understand where the lines are. So like, I would feel comfortable doing a show and having a book, like I've done shows where it's like a bunch of Muslims in the front and I'm like, oh, I know what's funny about Islam without offending you guys. And I know where the lines are. And I know how to do that with Christians and Majews. And by knowing more and having, I'm just being more versed on like people than you know what's gonna offend them. And you know more or less what they're gonna find funny. - It's interesting 'cause it feels like the lines are getting drawn more than ever between like cultures and people, like sometimes it feels like the internet itself is like we're all siopping ourselves and separating groups more than ever when the fucking internet is the tool that brings people together from around the world I'm like ever before, like the paradox there is insane. - Yeah, so you go on Twitter and it's like, oh, everything's the juice for you. And you're like, and then it's like now any time, any type of like moral philosophy is just like this ethnic group is the problem. You've completely missed the point. Like you're completely like jumped it. Like what are you doing? Like everyone's like, we're talking about all these problems. Like dude, wealth inequality and you know, cost of living and government and data. I'm like, these are all legitimate concerns. But then instead of like unifying as a force and being like, okay, let's try to get good politicians and like let's try to like actually have some agenda proposals that'll do good. You have dumb idiots on the internet being like, oh, it's this people. - Right. - They're the reason I'm like, did you learn nothing? - Right. - And it's like, I think a great example is Uganda. Edie Amin. Edie Amin. - Tell people who didn't see Last King of Scotland. - Exactly, becomes the dictator of Uganda. And pretty, summarily and very quickly, just like kicks out all the South Asians. They call them South Asians, we call them Indians. But they're all basically like daisy, like diaspora. Okay, so it's like Pakistanis and Indians that have moved to Uganda. And many of them were moving there as like indentured servants under the British and then built lives there and then started their own companies and businesses. And then Edie Amin comes in and says, we need to be Uganda first. We need to kick out all of the foreigners. If you're not Uganda, if you don't have dark skin, if you're not of us, you're out. And so within 24 hours, he gave all these people an ultimatum and said, leave or be imprisoned. And so as a result, you have this giant brain drain of all these people that have built their entire lives. They are Ugandan. They've lived in this country, their whole lives, their parents are Ugandan. They just happen to look, you know, Indian. And so as a result, the country kind of collapses because all of these economic drivers for the country are now leaving. And so as overnight, it's like your laundromat is closed and your mechanic is not there anymore. And so all of a sudden the country starts and explode on itself. And it's like, yeah, dude, you just kicked out all of the people that are like supporting your economy, not all of them. But many of these people that are contributing to the economy that are good members of society, you kick them out. So anytime people are like, dude, it's this group's the problem. I'm like, and I know people on the internet are gonna be like, oh, dude, you're doing Israeli propaganda. Oh, good goal. I'm like, dude, anytime you're pointing at a group and being like, they're the reason for all the problems in the world, you missed it. First of all, you also have got, and I don't care where you're talking about here, it could be China, it could be Russia, it could be Israel, it could be fucking wherever. You have to be able to separate people from their government too. - Yeah. - You know what I mean? Like people, I've always said this line, my friend Eric Zooliger, who someone he should definitely have on when he's in town, he's so fucking funny, unintentionally too. But like, you know, he's traveled the world in all these random places, particularly places that aren't recognized as countries. And he's like, people are not their governments, bro. You know, and when you start to define them that way by the decisions made, especially when a government's bad, which, you know, newsflash, that happens a lot. - Yeah, empire is your kind of evil. - Yeah. - It's like, you know, everyone just needs a boogie man on things. And I guess when I was younger, when I was a teenager, I was just, I mean, newsflash, I was very naive. There was a thought with that. like the internet had had come in now. And I'm like, Oh, wow. So no one will ever be able to separate themselves as a people like ethnically anymore. Like they'll do it in small ways. But never like, Oh, look at them or look at them because we can all just talk to each other now. Yeah. It has had the opposite effect in the modern era. And I feel like I'd love your thoughts on this. I feel like the real breaking point, like people talk about like the political unrest after the global financial crisis in the US certainly have a great argument there. But like the real breaking point was COVID because you had something happen where particularly elites in power lied. Much of what was put out there was propaganda and wrong. And so it broke people and I get it where they're like, therefore, anything that we have ever heard now or before is now wrong, we're just it's going to be it's like SpongeBob. We're going to be opposite day every day. Yeah. And I think just like contraire and thinking is maybe like a healthy exercise. Like always like hear something and evaluate it be skeptical. Like try to like digest it and think about it. But just by immediately taking the opposite stance of whatever the majority, whatever you've been taught your whole life is is going to lead you inevitably into the wrong direction or into multiple different wrong directions. And I think we're seeing that a lot of social media, especially I think things are because there's so much content. The algorithms answer is to silo things. And so because there's just so much you can't consume everything, the algorithms are basically, okay, let's keep people on these platforms. Let's give them something they love, something they hate, something they love, something they hate. Keep them on this emotional rollercoaster because like you leave these social apps and you're not feeling better. You know what I mean? Like generally like I turn off my phone. I'm not like, oh, I was so rewarded. Like I'm so glad I did that. It's like, no, this is a slot machine. And you win sometimes you lose sometimes and they're designed in that way to hack your brain to make you feel kind of like you need another hit. That's right. Not like you need good content or bad content. You just need another hit. So as a result, things are more siloed. Things don't spill over. You're kind of stuck in your echo chamber. And the concern is that it radicalizes people in every different direction. Not only like neo-Nazi radicalization, but like they'll have like ultra left wing. Like, dude, Mao was sick propaganda and you're like, hold on, we're getting too separated here. And so I don't know if you know the YouTuber Jreg. No, you may have seen him. He's like brilliant. I really like watching this stuff. It's all I think his name might be Greg, but his handle is Jreg. So I actually don't even know how he pronounces it, but he just does like really interesting like funny YouTube content about like the political space. And he did one, this was like four or five years ago about like the over 10 window. Oh, yeah. This dude. You've probably seen this. I have not seen this. No, he's great. Most modern love songs already like him. Yeah. Yeah. His new thing is like he's anti-clanker. So he's like against like the AI clank revolution. So he's like trying to just like a kind of thing. It's a it's like a funny not an England, but yes, it's a market. I'm not trying to get the monetized. It's like a the clanker thing is like a funny slur for like the robot overlords. Okay. Excuse me. And but he made one of the over 10 window. I thought it was great. That playing the over 10 window over 10 windows. Basically the window of acceptable discourse within any society. So you know during McCarthyism like communism was outside of the over 10 window. Like it was people were flirting with it and people were like no, no, no, you have to reel it in. Be more centrist. And so that window will shift. And like there's a bunch of different over 10 windows that exist in different communities. Right? Like there's words that we won't use. And that those exist outside the over 10 window. And he basically made this thing like the window historically was like shifting left shifting right. You would have like during New Deal America. Like yeah, it was a little bit left. And then like you know during Reagan was moving right. And like the way people would talk about stuff. This window is just shifting. And he's saying now the window is broken. And then it's shifting in both directions where like left left thoughts are good. Right thoughts are good. But centrist thoughts are out. He's right. And that by claiming to be a centrist, people on either side will be like, Oh, you're actually right wing. Or being a centrist who are like, Oh, you're actually left wing. And so now you have this bifurcation where the middle is out and the far ends are also out. And I was like, that is a great way to put it. The window is not shifting anymore. It's completely fractured. You got to get that guy in for a podcast. Oh, he's I hit him up actually recently. I think he lives in Canada. Even if you get him, send him here afterwards. I love to talk to him about that. That is I think he's a thousand percent right. But he is also has interesting things about like horseshoe theory that like, you know, we'll take you on one side. Well, it's like he has you should just watch the videos. But like basically like in every different political strata, like the things are horseshoeing. And if you're familiar with horseshoe theory, it's like as you go farther right and farther left, it kind of meets in the same thing. And so he's like, you have far right wing people that are like, yeah, dude, we hate Jews. We hate Israel. And then you have far left wing people that are like, yeah, we also hate. And like they're like coming together and he shows us a bunch of different horses. And I just think he's really clever. But on the over to window thing, I'm like, I feel like that's what's happening is that as things are so siloed, people are kind of just getting whatever feed they want. And by having like a type of like politically neutral stance where you're sort of like taking some stuff from here, some stuff from here and like being a normal human being, which I still maintain most people are the internet and sort of the digital atmosphere that we're in, like just separates people in such a crazy way. I don't even know if anyone believes anything. Are you a people on Twitter being like, dude, Hitler was cool. And you're like, do you even believe this? Are you just trying to get clicks? Are you just living in some like developing country trying to make money on outrage in people? I'm like, yeah, that's a great point, Mark. I mean, you have to remember. And I'd like to think I'm not an optimist about this. I do, I do, I do, and you as well, obviously, like I do think we're right. But when you go on to Twitter, which is on every continent, basically, probably on an article, I'm not sure, but you know, you can see a tweet that has 50,000 likes and three million views. And you're like, oh my god, that's what everyone thinks. Yeah. First of all, 1.7 million of those views are bought accounts and not real, including a 30,000 of those likes. And the 20,000 likes that are there are people who are habitually tied to Twitter all day and liking shit. So I will give you an example. We were sitting in here recording with the religion business guys who are also dudes you should definitely have on your show on September 10th when Charlie Kirk was shot. And we went to take a quick bathroom break and during the bathroom break, deep was like, dude, Charlie Kirk just got shot. And it's really bad. And we're like, oh shit. And we got back on air and we were just all shell shot. And then we finished they, they left deep left. And it was like a weird day. He's like, what the fuck? And I remember just seeing Twitter and scrolling at 10, 15 minutes and seeing how angry. People were, and I get that completely, right? And how politicized some of it immediately got and all that. And then I put my phone down. I walked to my window out there. And it was around 5.30 maybe. So it's during peak rush hour of people coming back. And I watched people walking back from the path train down my street. And ironically, this was a day where not everyone was glued to their phones, which is that felt very symbolic to me because usually I used to be fucking texting down the street. But I'm watching people walk. And these are people from ages 22 to 60, all different backgrounds people vote left people to vote right people that don't vote at all. And there was no one with like a commotion or like holding their phone out like, oh, see that people were going about their lives. I'm not saying that means you ignore something like that. That was a seminal event for all the wrong reasons and stuff. I'm not saying that. But I am saying this anger that you see at everything is not representative of the whole of society unless we try to make it in a way that we try to then dictate that thing to come out into the real world and force people to get involved, force people to get mad at each other. Yeah. Yeah. 100%. I mean, even seeing people mad about like, Zoran and Trump like talking. I like people on the left like, why is he like capitulating to this, you know, fascist and people on the right being like, why is Trump talking this time? I mean, just saying that they agree on stuff. This is crazy. I'm like, no, no, both these people are like, they're in power. I would love to see people cooperating. Yes. Like again, I, this night just beat my, my Christian bias. But, you know, I think about the book of Matthew from time to time, blessed are the peacemakers. And not the peacekeepers necessarily. You don't need to just like allow anything to happen all the time. I mean, they just roll over. But like, make peace. And like, find people you disagree with and try to find common ground and pull them back to your side and maybe they'll pull you to your side and we can all kind of be in the middle and lower the temperature. And I hate like the negative rhetoric because it also makes jokes harder in a way. Like, I love it. I mean, like, I love comedy, but everything else. So like, anything that infringes on my bill, like, do stand up, like, is annoying to me. So like, I love making culture jokes and jokes about people's backgrounds and where they're from and like, religion and all sorts of stuff, like, when the temperature gets too hot, people immediately get scared. And so I'll be talking so I'm like, oh, you're Mormon. And people are like, oh, it's time for religion. And like, no, we're just like, I know where the lines are. I'm just going to make some funny jokes about the underwear. That's going to be fine. Like, I talk to a Muslim dude, a Jewish guy and I you can feel the tension where people are like, oh, no. And in certain ways, the tension is good because you can release it. But at the same time, like, I don't want to have to justify myself like, hey, I'm operating good faith. I love people and I love these people specifically at this show right here in front of me. I have nothing but empathy and respect. And I just want to like tease and poke fun and make fun of myself and make fun of them. It's not that deep. And you can just feel the tension in the room though. It's like, oh, he said black. Oh, no, this is going to be bad. And it's like, it's okay. Like, I like, I understand that there's actual bad actors out there that exist. There's like stir up vitriol and get people to hate each other. That's not me. And I just kind of want the temperature to settle because again, Like, I don't think racism is funny, but I think racial jokes are very funny. - No, seriously though, there's a huge difference there. Like you talk to anyone, any of your guys that you've had on who are like in the military or whatever. I mean, that's like the diversity coalition. They got every race, creed, and religion in that thing, and the way that they pass, they'll tell you. The way they pass the time is making funny jokes about each other's cultures. - Yeah, it's great. - It's awesome. I feel like that's just how dudes talk. - That's insane. - It's like somewhere along the way it became like a room duck. And I love to do that at all, you know what I'm saying? Go all the way with things. - Don't pull a talent, you know? - Yeah. - Sometimes it deep hits me, like I gotta pull back. But still, like when we got to a point where people were litigating every word, you said, you're like, oh, this slippery slope's way worse than whatever the other side is. Like, that's where we're at now, where it's getting weird, because you made that point with the J-rag, the YouTube channel right there, which can we make a note to link that in the description just so people can check that out? But like, he was talking about the Overton window has now removed centrism. And it's far one way or the other. And I don't think there's any better example than like the dichotomy of like, not to single it out, but just look at this kind of like symbol right here. The dichotomy between like, woke policing of all words and anyone who speaks against us, we're gonna throw on some mass and shut down your speech at a fucking college with Balakovas and shit, versus like Nick Fuentes. Like the, there's nothing but air between those two. You know, I mean, heavy air that they can't walk through. Yeah, like just whatever, right? Like, there is, there is significant space between them. And so people who were just like, yeah, no, I don't like that. I don't like that either, they're like, shut the fuck up. Yeah, right now, like to me, I've been talking about this recently 'cause I hadn't seen Christopher Nolan's Batman trilogy in a while, but I rewatched it a couple months ago. And holy shit, did he, 'cause he made these movies in '04, '07 and '20, '11. They came out in '05, '08 and '20, '12. Holy shit, did he nail where society was going? Prophetic. Yeah, like, and he does that with a lot of his movies. But what he does is before he does a film, he picks a word as his tone. This is what the film is about. Not necessarily the title of the film, like a word. So for Dark Knight, it was chaos. I started thinking about that. I'm like, oh my God, okay, Dark Knight. Chaos, who represents that? Well, obviously the Joker. He's chaos, right? But who's the symbolic figure, spoiler alert? In the movie, who gets flipped by the chaos. Harvey Dent, it becomes two-faced. He becomes the very thing that he hates. And I looked at and I said, some of the shit that's being pushed on the internet right now is the Joker. Mm-hmm. And we all have to decide if we're going to be Harvey Dent. Are we going to become the things that used to be, like, oh, nah, come on, that's me. And be a nice guy, you know what I mean? Regardless of what you believe. So just fucking stop. Or we're going to be like, yeah, fuck this. We're so mad that we're going to become that. Yeah. Yeah, because now you have people on the right being like, you can't make jokes about this. You can't make jokes about whatever terrible thing I don't like. Like, really, like, it's just like circling back and it's like, let's just everyone take a breath. Yeah. Yeah, like, and I understand information is hard and understanding what's going on is difficult. So like, the way I operate is if I don't understand something, pop in a chat to you, ask a question, you know, pop in a groc, ask the same question, you get two answers, you find kind of like the balance. And then you go ask someone that you think knows. If you have a question about a religion, about a culture, about a people, go ask them. And then you'll realize like, oh, wow, we're actually human beings when we agree on a lot of stuff and we're not actually all that crazy. And if you don't know, then just maybe, maybe listen. Oh, that would be a change. Shut the fuck up, right? Like, there's a lot of shit I don't know. And I probably said a lot of stuff on here that I might not even be completely factual. But I'm operating good faith. And if I got something wrong, that's, you know, that's my bad. And like, if I don't know, I'll just be like, dude, I don't know. Yeah, you're putting out three episodes a week or three hours. Like, you know, four, and Christos over the way. Yeah, it's like a joke or like, yeah, but, you know, you're finding people you think are operating good faith I think is essential. Yes. And you're not going to get every line, right? Or you're going to say something and you'll be like, well, that was fucking dumb. It's the worst thing that's part of being human. But I think there are a lot of people who do that now by a lot of people. I mean, a handful of people relative to society online who make a living by doing that in 280 characters or less 40 times a day. And I think they start to believe it after a while. Oh, yeah. You heard that term, the mask eats the face. Actually, no. It's a, it's a, I think about a lot because it's like, I think people specifically online will kind of play characters like on Twitter and you'd be like, okay, I'm doing this like outrage people and I need to get clicks and that and after enough time, this mask ends up becoming you, you know what I mean? Like the mask like literally eats the person that's wearing it. And then the character becomes the person, you know? Nobody could. Whoa. Exactly. Do the interstellar. I didn't. He's on the spaceship. I haven't seen it. I'm just assuming. I'm not familiar. Exactly with all the movies. I'm sorry. Okay. I read books. Sometimes. I don't look at my rug. Yeah. Who does all the research? Christus? No. We actually over here. Like, I'm the brains. We have a bunch of people that are awesome. We got my buddy Zach, my friend Sophia, my buddy Hazus and like, they'll pitch topics and ideas and like help aggregate the research. We go through it and then, you know, pick some stuff, write some jokes, slip some jokes in there. But the jokes are fucking phenomenal. I appreciate it. Because your timing is so good, like the little things I was seeing one recently, I think I was watching the Freemasons one. And you're like, Christus, do you want to talk? You started to say something? Well, and that wasn't all for now. That's become a running gag throughout the episode. I mean, where do they even start? Do you remember? All right, all right, all right. So look, it's like, it just tries to jump in all the time. Just not stop every part of it. It's really annoying to me. Well, at least he's not on the other side of a fucking wall now. Yeah, exactly. Mark used to have this poor guy. Like there was like a wall separating. You have to like, yell through the wall. Yeah. And it was in a little layer. It was in East Berlin. Like, fucking Harry Potter is like, what's, what was that thing called? The cupboard? Yeah, exactly. You're in a cupboard. We're in this nice fucking studio and kids super. Yeah. Yeah, we brought him inside finally. Yeah, Jesus. Yeah. But no, that's a running gag. We do every episode that, uh, I think Christus, I love the timing. I love the timing on it. But you know, like you're also, it's, it's funny, but you're talking about real things, including some, sometimes obviously you're covering one where you're like, all right, a lot of people are saying this one's not real, but here's what's reported on it. But then you're talking about other things like the Freemasons that are like, no, but turn over a fucking dollar, bro. This is 100% real. Yeah. Well, that's the thing that I find interesting about conspiracy stuff, like obviously being raised in the home that I was raised in. I was like, I calculated with this from the young age. I know. I was backstabbed. That was the only fact like God actually was conspiracy shit. But, uh, it's like, I think that by discrediting stuff and like writing it off, you just leave way more room for people to run with crazy narratives and bad actors that are trying to make money off you. And so I'm like, okay, let's just examine what's actually out here and why people believe this, right? Like, was America founded by Freemasons, you're like the sort of, you know, like a lot of high ranking, like founding fathers were a part of the Freemasons. Is it this evil, satanic cult trying to like, you know, do child sacrifice? I'm like, sure. There's bad actors in every society, but it seems like it was like a men's club or guys would share ideas. I'm like, did you join? I wish. I wish, dude. I think I, I actually went to the Freemasonic Temple in Boston and like walked around and toured it. It was kind of sick. It's like one of the oldest ones in the U.S. and I knew a guy that ended up buying the restaurant that was connected to him. He was like, hey, we have access. Do you want to go look? And I was like, yeah. So he's like, like a little tunnel. No, it was like just a bunch of different rooms. It's only in Brooklyn. Do you think that's something? I was going to say that the show that I brought to the Edinburgh Fringe in 2022, our theater was an old Freemasons temple. Oh, there's a bunch. Yeah. A lot of them are defunct, like the, the Masonic in San Francisco is like a massive performing arts venue. It's like concerts and comedians that we perform there, like a bunch of, like it's just like a theater. Do you feel the ghosts in the walls? Yeah, exactly. You can hear George Washington talk to you like, fuck, dude, it's Ben Franklin. Yeah. Ben Franklin was a Masonic. A bunch of them. But again, I don't subscribe to this idea that like, it's a satanic cult doing death rituals to like children to like drink their blood, which like is part of, not, I don't even know if anyone believes that, but like you just hear crazy stuff. I'm like, my assumption is that it's a, like an organized society based off of like old testament, like mystical schools, like, you know, King Solomon, obviously, is like one of the founding sort of like, I guess philosophical, like, ethoses that kind of fit into Freemasonry, like Freemasonry. But it's like this medieval, like men's club or like philosophers and like new age kind of thinkers were meeting and talking and then it carried on the tradition. It's kind of like a frat. Yeah. It's a waste. That's how it, that's how it always kind of felt. But people run with it and they're like, oh, they're controlling the world. At a point they did. Maybe. At a point they did. But now it's all the mason's I've ever met, just like a bunch of old dudes and sit around and wear cool outfits. Right. They wear like the kilp. They're all cakes, right? Yeah. Which people say is the, the Google mail logo you ever seen that? The Google mail logo. Oh. The Asian logo. Yeah. This is this again. Maybe. I've known it on the 33rd floor. Exactly. Dude. He's like, and so I'm like, hashtag blackstone, like maybe, again, I'm not ever saying what it is. Come on. This is what they wear. They wear like this sort of like red little apron thing and I don't scarlet letter more than that. But. No. If you were like, do this is literally a Gmail. Gmail is mason. That's how they got Epstein what it way it is he's messaging from a gmail like dude like use proton or something like use telegram Like what if I throw the fucking ivory coast via gmail on the gmail Vacation that gmail. What are you doing dude? It's incredible. Have you emailed that email yet? We should just see if anyone's reading far one off from Joey Defe dude another great little The email that this guy pulls him up. Yeah, I'm hearing about this Joey Defe if you ever hear it is gonna be an Edinburgh fringe next year. That might be a good way to promote your dates I'm just saying forming at the venue from 15 o'clock to 16 o'clock. Yeah, I might do that I might just draw my tour dates in the middle of every hope it gets released and then people are like wait marks in here Wait a second. He's gonna be a zany's in Chicago Gotta go see this guy Oh my god, but yeah, I'm like there's all sorts of weird shit with that the one that I think is really funny is Have you seen Maxwell Hill I know people suspect that Galeen Maxwell was a Power broker on reddit. Oh I have seen this before. Oh, you think that's real. There's a lot of weird shit with it. All right. What's the weird? Well, like okay a couple of things is that there's basically a reddit account that is like a mod on like the top subreddits like World news and like all the biggest ones that have millions of people that are getting their news every single day coming from reddit And there's like a bigger conspiracy that like oh Intelligence and like different foreign operatives are a part of this like small community of people that control what you see on reddit and This is like millions of people getting their information with a disorderly small group of anonymous editors that are like Submitting links and getting instantly approving it in the front page. That doesn't sound crazy It's not so that part is a little little weird and people suspect that you know People don't suspect that this is true that there is an account called Maxwell Hill that Was disseminating a ton of information across all of these different reddit accounts or all of these different subreddits basically like promoting different ideas and a lot of it was just like regular news stuff, but People look at a lot of the comments and they say oh, they're using a lot of like British colloquialisms Saying like bloody hell and like spelling color like oh yeah, and so it's like a lot of like British isms And then there's even like PLSE which I need to double check I think she's saying please, but Normally when people when normally when people will abbreviate please they'll do PLS She's doing it the British way PLSE and if you look at the emails that she has corresponding which I've read There's a lot of the same words that are used not to mention that the day she was arrested the account never posted again You can fact check me on this please. I'm pretty sure that's the case That is but like there's posts every single day multiple times a day all the way up until the day she's arrested and since the Day she's arrested the account has been inactive You know what I think about with this whole case not just this one example So her name's going Maxwell and the account is called Maxwell Hill, right? That's what I'm saying it's like if I were and I don't know who this would be or what the motives would be I have my thoughts on who Epstein is and who we work for and all that but It's he's obviously someone who especially about the end of his life had a very high profile He was known to probably every functional intelligence agency around the world if I were any type of foreign actor trying to create mass hysteria Confusion insert adjective here along those lines and I knew about cases like this I Might do something like this. I might you know have a little side gig for the fucking analyst over here Hey, you know, he's some British colloquialism set up this account call it something really obvious - mm-hmm And then you know, she ever goes down. We'll shut it down Possible it's possible or it's exactly what it looks like and it's like that when you look at that that is zero to a hundred There's like no Yeah, there's no middle that those are complete opposite scenarios. That's what makes it so confusing and sometimes it's like There are there are some conspiracies that are so true and so fucking obvious and right in your face and you know it And it's not like if you brought it into a court of law if it were ever allowed to be in a fucking real court of law They'd be they're jury wouldn't even go back to deliberate. It's guilty. Yeah, but if I were the people who were a part of those things or whose livelihood Depended on you know things like that being shoved under the rug. I would try to promote a massive Campaign using the internet of course to try to get people to believe everything Believe that the earth is flat believe that you know fucking You know the sun gods are coming down to do whatever the fuck would do an alien anal probe you insert it here So that all these the people who had the loudest voices would run with everything. Yeah such that I'm gonna use round numbers here Let's say they were screaming about 10 different conspiracies and one of them's Epstein it's a hundred percent true Everything they're saying is actually like bar for bar word for word true. Mm-hmm. I could then discredit them by saying Oh, you're gonna listen to this guy look at the other shitty beliefs Disinformation. That's what I would do. Yeah. Yeah, it's not crazy to me and like again if you're putting in a bunch of shit I mean like people will say like the term conspiracy theorist was like created by the government. It's the whole day Yeah, the CIA. Yeah, so it's like potentially you'd like put in a bunch of good stuff with the bad stuff my good I mean true and then bad false and you just kind of mix them up and then you can discredit people pretty easily Which is possible which is why I'm like just be extremely scrutinizing with everything you consume That's why I'm like kind of averse to certainty I'm like I kind of leave everything as like yeah, maybe like I don't really assume that I know anything unless I've like Interacted or like seen something with my own eyes like I generally try to keep a little air of humility like yeah I don't really good for you like more or less. I hope I've done that today I'm like, yeah, maybe it was Crowley talking to an alien. Maybe right is Epstein's asking questions here Did you just ask questions? You know, I think it's interesting. I think it's worth examining but again I'm never gonna say it is there isn't but it is impossible to blame Maxwell, you know It's understood the power of media and the power of controlling information and maybe she learned it from a newspaper magnet that You know as shares heard the same name that happens to be her father that's connected with intelligence. I mean it's possible Who knows I don't claim to know okay, and if there is a good faith person that's running the Maxwell Hill account that I've completely dismerged I apologize and yeah good preemptive apology. Yeah, and this is all alleged or just kind of makes it all alleged But you know just asking questions here from my end Not marrying you to anything, but what do you think Epstein was? I think a connected to everything I think he was just like a power broker that liked to conquer shit and also happen to be a pedophile You know what I mean like and he was using all this stuff connected. I wouldn't even surprise me if like He was you know sort of propped up because they knew that they had this Like blackmail on him like hey, you're you have this terrible like evil affliction where you try to Abuse children and successfully do and so as a result of your You know predilection and this like evil thing that you do we can now give you information because you're compromised off prep And then you can do a lot of our bidding and dirty work and like manage a lot of fine as a box We can use that exactly so like that one's a prize me and I think he's probably connected everyone He's like making deals with whoever is gonna get him more power So if he's you know working with CIA sure if he's working with you know foreign intelligence massage Am I six? I'm sure he's connected to everyone. I don't think that he has a Super strong nationalistic lines except for what makes you have for absolute more money and more power Yeah, I could see how Intelligent services over the years of course were discovering you know in search country here whether it be the U.S UK wherever we're discovering that this intelligence asset was running some of the sickest fucking twisted things right under the nose And they realized people in their own fucking Government were now blackmailed by it, and so they knew there was a line on what they actually could do with them and I personally my opinion I don't have a lot of doubt that these organizations be it MI6 be it CIA you insert it here You know what had gone to a guy like that and said it's like two people holding the gun to each other like okay You know that we know that you know that we know that we can't actually stop you from doing this because of what you know about Well, we know about what you know about what we know therefore you're now paying a tax motherfucker Yeah, so if we want some information, you're gonna give it to us, you know, and You get to do your six sadistic twisted shit. Yeah, and they make literally the deal with the devil Yeah, I could see that and I think that's why a lot of these countries around the world don't want to talk about this because They may look at it and say oh, you know, he he was like a massage guy or something like that But then we all got involved too. Yeah, everyone's I think I don't think anyone's hands are clean Like people try to pin it on one specific country Everyone's obviously connected with these people and like he was given a sweetheart deal in the United States Yeah, I'm in like he was operating generally with impunity in the United States But they're they're gonna say in the comments mark. Don't you know the Jews run the world exactly. I'm like look I think he's connected to anyone that's willing to cut him a deal. I think the emails actually Are making that case more than ever reading through this and seeing all the different countries He's like getting involved with the senior government and it's like what the fuck like it's sometimes countries You never fucking heard of yeah, he's and you're like this guy is just you know Yes, he's running around with a hubo rock for sure and that's not great in every way and and yeah I think that's where it emanated from probably with Israel, but he's challenging Yeah, he's like this whole thing yeah, I again, I gen I almost look at him like Crowley in a way where I'm like, you were willing. just do reconnaissance for whomever was gonna just like cut you a deal. Yeah. And I think he was like, yeah, I've been like, everyone's got compromise, like compromise on me. I got compromise on them. We're in a standoff. Yeah, I asked that we had Lawrence Krausen here in 2023 or whatever. And you know, he was a physicist who got his shit funded by Epstein. He went to the island and everything and you're asking him about it. He's like, well, this is just need money. He was off earned money. And he was like legit friends with the guy. And it's like, you're always going to any time you meet someone that this guy touched your it was around. Yeah, it's a bad word to you. But you know what I mean, it was around. There's always going to be that question. Like, are you you know, maybe, maybe not, but there is no doubt that he had a tremendous ability to obviously schmooze people who really were pedophiles or sixodistic fox, which there's no doubt that there is an uncomfortable number of people in positions of power, if you will, who are that. But he was also able to schmooze other people who weren't. Yeah. And by doing that, associate them with the whole thing and make them dirty forever. Yeah. And though, and I, your guess is as good as mine, which people are which, you know, there's some, I think we can see definitely in one way. But like, you know, the ones who actually didn't do anything and just got besmirched by or whatever, yeah. I feel a little bit bad for some of them. Some of them, it's like, you know, like, dude, why were you still talking about 2014, like, Jack, the thawing about that? You know, he was convicted in the other four. Like, you shouldn't know. Yeah. But yeah, no, there's people going to the island in 1999. Yeah, I didn't know. And maybe they're lying. Maybe they're telling truth. I, again, I don't know. I don't know as people. So I'm just like, going off word. But like, I wouldn't be surprised if this is an attempt to like, yeah, get everyone wrapped up with him. Yeah. And then everyone's a little dirty and then everyone shuts the fuck up. That's right. And we can keep on like, funding this coup in this country and sending weapons to this country. And I think the financial dealings are in a way, like, almost dirtier. I'm like, obviously, like, his sex-traffing operation is like the most vile thing I know on YouTube. But it's like the financial operations implicates way more people. Yeah. You know, I mean, like, let's say a couple of hundred people are going to this island to do, you know, like criminal sexual activity. It's like, oh, well, how many hundreds of thousands he funded a civil war that killed 100,000 people, right? How many people are implicated in the financial crimes? Yeah. That he was basically operating as like, you know, almost like a financial black site where it's like, hey, so many here, so many people here. I think they, I think a lot of people benefited from everyone being wrapped up and dirty in this web. I think you're right. And the fact that, uh, yeah, every government has run by pedophiles. My mom's right. Mrs. Gagname was on to it. She was, she was an early adopter. Exactly. She bought the iPhone one on, on the pedophiles, everything. But, you know, I had Mike Yegley sitting in that seat a couple times. And it was funny because at the end of the, end of the first episode we did, we record the whole thing. And basically he's a, a data expert who can go through data and figure out what people are doing and where they are, like, as a publicly accessible spying tool. And so he runs through his whole history with this and how he brought it to the government going, you guys got a fucking problem. And then at the end of our first conversation, he's like, yeah, we didn't even get to Epstein today. I'm like, what? He's like, oh, yeah, I was tracking people to the island. I'm like, damn it. You say that at the beginning of the episode? Not again. So I brought him back that we did 343. I brought him back right away. We did 351. And he went through that whole thing when the Epstein story came out, like really mainstream in 2019. He's like, I can go buy data from 2015, 2016, 2017, right in there. And long after he was convicted and see who's down there. And he's like, he's got it down to the names of the bartenders who were there standing across from Bill Gates while he's on the island. 2016. And he's, and I said, obviously, you're very connected with the government now because you had undercover, you basically over a decade ago, he had uncovered all this shit about some of their missions being publicly available, clandestimitions, anyone could fucking get it from their bedroom if they tried. And I'm like, what they do with this information, he said, no one ever called about it. You could tell like Mike Yegley looks like he's about to have a brain aneurysm at all times that he's talking, but you could tell like that vein in his forehead was just like, whoa. And you're just like, of course, they didn't. You got to wonder why they didn't. And there's probably other people doing similar shit. And maybe it's not to this scale or maybe it's not this exact pathway, but it's like, yeah, there's this guy that's cheating on his wife and he's being used as a tool for this operation. There's this dude who's secretly gay and living in a country that's illegal and he's doing this thing. You're not going to give someone power and information without having some type of some type of rope on it. You know, that's the great, I don't want to call it a hypocrisy, but that's a great oversight. I think people who really look at this case have it's like the thing about Epstein is that he was so overt about it and he got cocky. Yeah. And just he liked being seen, right? And that did him in. That's he did himself in. He went from being a very effective spy, if you will, to being a very bad spy because the number one thing about a spy is that any of these guys will tell you you don't want to be noticed. And he learned how to get noticed and like getting noticed. And it's like, that makes it extra in your face. And then the scale of people that we now know he was attached to, the names, it's just like in your fucking face. To say, though, that that doesn't happen at a way more uncomfortable scale than we think across intelligence agencies around the world and here would be naive in my opinion. He goes against the American ethos. We're the good guys. Yeah, we're supposed to don't do anything wrong. But that's the thing, Mark, you have an organization of tens of thousands of people and it's compartmentalized. All you need is five people to be in on something that other people don't have reading on. They talk about it in a skiff and they run a mission. And they say you think all these people can keep a secret. Some people still believe in Santa. Right? Bring it all the way back, dude. Some people believe it way too long. Do you think the Freemasons invented Santa? It's like a side up on society. Oh, that's far. Let's think about it. I thought about that in the Amazon, reading my bank account. We didn't even talk about that. I wanted to get a whole deep dive on your Amazon experience. We'll do that in another episode. I can't wait. But Santa, I mean, I'm pretty sure Santa came out of like this is like Dutch, like Santa culture or something. I heard they made him read because of Coca-Cola. I don't know if you heard that. No. Yeah, some people. I don't even want to Google that. Some people think he's read because there was like a mushroom that people used to take during the pagan holiday that. Yeah. I mean, it was scary. Exactly. Use my like JD-22. But it's like the red and white mushroom that people would take. But, no, Santa is probably not Freemasons, but maybe. What is the history that like, when did the Freemasons begin? The technical beginning is medieval. I think it's like 1300 or 140. And they literally started as like Stone Masons because they wanted to like build shit after the plague, is that right? It was like a guild basically of like Stone Masons that were like smart coming together forming a union. And then it kind of got imbued with like mystical elements that harkened back to the second temple period of ancient Israel, where King Solomon basically built the temple for the Jews. That was then destroyed by the second one was by the Babylonians. And so Hiram Abiff was this this is not in the Torah or anything, but this is like alleged through like Jewish folklore that Hiram Abiff was a Phoenician architect and the Phoenicians of the time were the ones that were building all the cool shit in the area. So they bring in this Phoenician architect that's able to build the second temple and his name is Hiram Abiff. And in Freemasonic lore, Hiram Abiff is like the master builder, the master Mason that has all of this unknown knowledge that's able to know how to build these amazing structures. There's also an element where like some people believe that King Solomon used demons to build temples that he was given a ring that was from like one of the archangels that base who was able like control the spirit world. And that was part of how they built it. This is again folklore. And the Mason's like when the Freemasons are actually developed in like medieval Europe, it was harkening back to this period. But technically the actual formation is like around medieval times. And then American Freemasonry comes out of like Scottish right Freemasonry that is kind of like a reinterpretation of old European masons, but it was developed by Albert Pike, who was a former Confederate general that ends up being relieved of his duties as a Confederate general and then develops-- Wait, a Confederate general? Yeah. Not a United States. No, this is during civil war. Oh, it's during civil war. Yeah, the Scottish right Freemasonry comes out of Albert Pike's head. Oh, I thought you I'm thinking like pre-revolutions and timelines all. Okay. Yeah, like Freemasonry seems like it really develops in America around civil war time from Albert Pike. But it was very existent. The old guard and the kind of like loss of its allure because it went to public. So people are trying to like they got ostracized. A lot of people left because there was like a bunch of scandals that happened. And then Scottish right Freemasonry kind of like rebirthed it in America. What were the scandals? I'm trying to remember exactly. There was specific scandals were like one of the lodges went very public. And they were like no the whole thing is that we're supposed to be underground. So they went very public. And then there was another scandal. I forget what it was. There was one that like kind of did them in. I can't remember specifically. But it was like some type of death. like there was a cover-up. Oh, there was William Morgan disappearance in 1826. William Morgan, yeah, yeah. So this was one of the ones in America that basically this guy was associated with the Masons and then there was like a big clash with like the religious elite and the Masons because they always hated each other. And then he ends up disappearing and no one ever finds out where he's from or where he went or anything like that. And they're like, oh, the Masons killed him. And then it became a whole scandal that like really affected like the philosophy and the idea around free Masons in America. Thank you guys for checking out this clip. If you haven't already subscribed, please subscribe and hit the like button on this video. It is a huge, huge help. And if you'd like to check out this clip's full podcast episode, that link is in the description below or right here. And finally, you can follow me on Instagram and x by using the links in my description below.