The REAL Reason Your Child Falls Apart With You and Not Them
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This podcast episode addresses how a single mother of four and a half years manages her children’s separation anxiety between two homes. The host explains that separation anxiety is not a phase that necessarily fades; it arises from the constant stress of adapting to different environments, rules, and emotional atmospheres in each household. Symptoms can range from anger and tears to physical complaints and regression. A key insight is that children often behave well with one parent but fall apart with the other because they feel safe enough to release suppressed emotions. To support them, parents must provide predictability, consistency, and calm, and act as role models for emotional regulation. Practical tools include deep-breathing exercises like the "candles" game, which helps children calm down playfully. The host emphasizes teaching children that they are not responsible for others’ feelings, particularly if a co-parent unfairly places emotional burdens on them. She advises against interrogating children about the other parent and stresses the importance of correcting blatant misbehavior while remaining compassionate. The episode concludes with a powerful reminder: parents must regulate their own nervous systems first, as children borrow their calm. Self-reflection and self-care not only make parents better caregivers but also lead to greater personal peace and contentment. The host encourages listeners to share their own regulation strategies in the comments.
Welcome back to the parallel lines podcast, and in this episode we're talking about how
I deal with my children's separation anxiety, being a single mom now of four and a half years.
You might think that it all will die down at some stage, but I'm here to tell you that
if your children are not feeling quite right and are getting dysregulated between the
two homes, then separation anxiety will be something that you will constantly have to
contend with, and we need to now implement some kind of strategy to help support them.
So what will separation anxiety look like? It could look like anger, tears, heightened
sensitivity, clingingness, hyperactivity, withdrawal, tummy aches, headaches, bed wetting,
regression, and the need for constant reassurance and potential sleep disturbances. That's only
scratching the surface, the list could go on and on, and I'm sure, and I'm sure a lot
of you listening will resonate with a lot of those types of behaviours.
Basically, separation anxiety can be described as anything that is abnormal for your child
or your children. So what contributes to separation anxiety? It could just be the simple moving
to different houses in a nutshell, but when we break it down, we're also needed to take
into account that inside each house is a different set of rules, is a different set of expectations,
is a different set of rituals, is a different load of food that they're going to be eating,
it's a different atmosphere, it's the accumulation of these stresses that really does lead them
into feeling like they constantly have to be in a state of adapting to different environments.
And I need you to know that a child's nervous system doesn't just respond to obvious danger,
it's also unpredictability, emotional tension, and feeling like they have to please all the
adults around them. These are really big things that they are constantly having to navigate
at school and in each house and with every single dynamic that they are interacting
with on a day-to-day basis. Quite a lot of the time, I will hear parents say to me, but
they fall apart with me. Why do they seem to be absolutely fine with the other parent
and then when I get them back, they just fall apart. And I need you to know that this is
a sign that that's because your child finally feels safe enough with you to stop holding
it in and holding it all together. Because when they are potentially in a state of feeling
emotionally unsafe, that could be feeling like they have to walk on eggshells, apologising
lots, they may feel like they need to be perfect all the time, they may feel like they need
to people please, be extra good, they might have a fear of making any mistakes, they might
feel overly responsible for other people's emotions, they might mask a lot and they might
even have big episodes of aggression. And this is where it's a real dichotomy because
love and fear can exist together with children. Children can love a parent, fear a parent,
miss a parent, a feeling safe around a parent but still want contact and then at the same
time dread the upcoming contact. Can you imagine being such a little person having all of these
feelings going on inside of you and with no emotional maturity to really comprehend and
work your way through it? That's what leads to all of this dysregulation in their nervous
system. So how do we regulate them? We need predictability, consistency, good routines,
boundaries, we need calm adults so there is an onus on you to make sure that you are regulating
yourself because our children borrow our nervous system, they borrow our calm. So we need
to make sure that not only are we exhibiting that for them and being a role model but we
are also living it. It's actually a real part of our day to day life. I need you to think
about validating them, showing them that you understand how they might be feeling, meeting
them at their level, giving them that physical connection if they really want it, giving
them lots of instances to play and have some big, gross physical movements, getting them
some good sleep, some good nutrition and decompression time and most importantly permission
to talk or not to talk if they want to. Another really great thing that you could start
doing is introduce these meditative habits to them. Deep breathing is going to be something
that will help you out no end because I don't know about you but I can guarantee that if
I was to sit with you during an episode where you feel really dysregulated and really anxious,
if I asked you to do some box breaths for 10 breaths, you would feel better afterwards
and I need you to start doing that with your children. So a really fun exercise if you've
got really young children is holding your hands up like this and doing the, what I call
the candles. So you want to pretend that your fingers are birthday candles and they've
got to blow out the candles because in doing so they are then doing that deep breath in,
deep blow out and each time that they blow on a finger you're going to put it down as
if they blow out the candles. And one really good thing that I tend to do with my gills
is I will like pop an extra candle back up as if it's one of those candles that just
never goes out. That always leads to us laughing and making a joke and then all of a sudden
they're feeling a lot, lot better and it doesn't negate the fact that there is still
an issue there that we need to talk about but it means they're coming from a lot calmer
place and a more regulated place to be able to hear me and talk it through with me. Thus
then feeling more regulated, more validated and more understood. On top of this I want
you to really think about instilling in your everyday parenting about how your child
or your children are not responsible for other people's feelings. This is a really crucial
thing that I need all of you now to put into your everyday parenting. Anytime that organic
moment comes up, say if they're having a disagreement with a friend at school, you need
to let them know that it's not their job to make someone else feel better. There's things
that we can do that we want to bring fun and enjoyment and love and connection to our
relationships but there needs to be a line drawn where we realise that actually their feelings
are not our responsibility and why this is so important is because when they are dealing
with a potentially abusive co-parent at the other house, that co-parent will often put
the responsibility of their feelings on the child's shoulders. Now this is going into
deep psychology here. I need you guys to start learning about the drama triangle as well.
If you don't know what this is and you want me to do more content on it, please put it
in the show notes because I'm more than happy to talk about this but essentially what it is
is that your co-parent will place a lot of the responsibility of their feelings and
their emotions and their actions on other people. Predominantly the child, I'm going
to go further with this to say nine times out of ten, not all the time but predominantly
they will put the responsibility of their feelings on the eldest child in the house.
Now there is a lot of caveats to this. This is not absolutely black and white. There
are instances where the eldest child may have some SEM needs. That means that they will
probably default to the next child and it will be the younger child that will actually
take the hit psychologically and they will place the responsibility of their feelings
on that child's shoulders. So you know your co-parent best. This is something I say to
my clients all the time in my single memory academy that actually we unfortunately know
these people better than they know themselves. We know how they operate. So if you feel like
your co-parent is of that kind of character that they would actually really put the responsibility
of their feelings on their children's shoulders then this absolutely has to be a crucial part
of your parenting to instill in your children that they're not actually responsible for other
people's feelings. And a really great thing that I do with my children is sometimes if
I'm in a funk because we're human and it happens to all of us and they see me being in
a funk. I don't want them to think that it's their fault because this is another thing
that children do. If anything's wrong they instantly internalise it and they instantly
think it's their fault. They had to have done something wrong. So what I will do is I
will just say, you know what, Mama is in a really grumpy mood at the minute. I'm going
to make myself feel better by going and making myself a nice cup of tea or a cup of coffee
and I'm going to go sit in the garden, I'm going to listen to the birds for five minutes.
That always cheers me up. So one, just in that sentence, I'm letting them know you're not
the problem. I'm just not feeling great today. Something's happening. Two, I'm going
to take some steps that I know will help to regulate me and I'm going to remove myself
as well by doing it. That's not creating this awful environment where they have to step
on eggshells and where they feel like they have to try and please me and they have to
try and cheer me up. I'm removing myself. So that in essence is such a great example
of regulating yourself and demonstrating that for your child or your children. And remember,
even if they don't action things like this, it still goes in. You're still planting
that seed in the back of their minds and you are absolutely being a role model for how
you regulate yourself and then they can use those skills if they need to at a later
day because it will all be going in. But remember, with tools like this, you have to be consistent.
It's constant reminders, constant grasping of any organic moments where they might see
something on telly. People arguing on telly or having a disagreement. The teacher being
upset with them, the teacher may be having a bad day. Their grandma may be having a bad
day. Whoever it may be, just take any and every opportunity to remind them that they're
not responsible for other people's feelings and emotions.
and especially not their choices. Okay? So leading into that at the same time as how we think about
regulating them, what I absolutely do not want you to do at all is interrogate them. I don't want
you to try and prove things to them. I don't want you to ask leading questions. I don't want you to
expect any disclosure from them because like I said before, they have to feel like they can talk
or they cannot talk if they want permission for both is absolutely fine. And I also don't want
you to think that every bad behaviour has one cause and it is the other parent because it might
not be, it might be other things. This leads me into a caveat that we were just talking about in
my single mum or academy the other day and it was the childhood come back from contact and
they were so dysregulated and they were doing some really bad behaviour, there was biting and
hitting and damaging of things. Now the parent was quite rightly just taking a step back because
the child was clearly so dysregulated but there does have to be a line drawn where blatant bad
behaviour needs to actually be corrected. Okay? We need to find that balance of understanding that
they're coming from a place of feeling really dysregulated and they are trying to regulate.
But also we have rules, we have house rules, we have boundaries, we have expectations of behaviour
and you know in your house what will fly and what won't fly so don't be afraid to remind your
child or your children of that. We can help guide them and nurse them through these feelings
and through these times but when it crosses a line in terms of house rules then you have full
permission, here's a permission slip to actually correct them on it because that is still not acceptable.
So one thing that I'm going to finish this podcast with is the most important part of the entire
episode, it's that you have to learn to regulate yourself. So you need to take a good hard look at
yourself and be reflective. Now this is a skill that I really want to praise you for now because
this is something that the other parents can't do, they can't self-reflect, they can't actually
look at something and think yeah actually I messed up there that wasn't great, I need to do better
and then make the changes. Normally 9 times out of 10 they are steadfast in that their way was the
right way and that's it and everyone has to just conform. So I need you to take a look at yourself,
if you're someone who is still feeling quite triggered, quite explosive, text really get to you,
instances at handover really get under your skin then that tells me that you need a lot more nervous
system regulation because that will then help you to show up as the calm parent that your child,
your children need you to be and the byproduct of that is that you're only going to end up being
more calm yourself, feeling more at peace and feeling more content and who doesn't want that,
we all want that because that just means that not only am I being a better parent for my children
but I'm actually happier in myself in my everyday life. So if that's not a reason to get regulated,
I don't know what is. So let me know in the comments what kind of things you like to do to regulate
yourself and let's help each other out, let's give each other some inspo on things that we can do
and if you wanted me to elaborate on anything else that you've heard in this podcast,
let me know in the comments. Thank you so much for joining me and I'll see you in the next episode.
Podcast Summary
Key Points:
Separation anxiety in children of divorced or separated parents is common and can persist for years, manifesting as anger, tears, clingingness, withdrawal, physical symptoms, or regression.
It stems from the stress of adapting to different homes, rules, expectations, and atmospheres, as well as emotional tension and unpredictability.
Children often "fall apart" with the safe parent because they feel secure enough to release pent-up emotions; with the other parent, they may mask or people-please.
Regulation strategies include predictability, consistency, routines, boundaries, calm adult role-modeling, validation, physical connection, play, sleep, nutrition, and decompression time.
Teaching children meditative habits like deep breathing (e.g., the "candles" game) helps them self-regulate in a fun, accessible way.
It’s crucial to instill in children that they are not responsible for other people’s feelings, especially if a co-parent places emotional burdens on them (e.g., via the drama triangle).
Avoid interrogating children about the other parent; allow them to talk or not talk freely, and don’t assume all bad behavior stems from the co-parent—correct blatant misbehavior while staying compassionate.
The most important step is for the parent to regulate their own nervous system, as children borrow calm from adults; self-reflection and self-care are essential.
Summary:
This podcast episode addresses how a single mother of four and a half years manages her children’s separation anxiety between two homes. The host explains that separation anxiety is not a phase that necessarily fades; it arises from the constant stress of adapting to different environments, rules, and emotional atmospheres in each household. Symptoms can range from anger and tears to physical complaints and regression.
A key insight is that children often behave well with one parent but fall apart with the other because they feel safe enough to release suppressed emotions. To support them, parents must provide predictability, consistency, and calm, and act as role models for emotional regulation. Practical tools include deep-breathing exercises like the "candles" game, which helps children calm down playfully.
The host emphasizes teaching children that they are not responsible for others’ feelings, particularly if a co-parent unfairly places emotional burdens on them. She advises against interrogating children about the other parent and stresses the importance of correcting blatant misbehavior while remaining compassionate. The episode concludes with a powerful reminder: parents must regulate their own nervous systems first, as children borrow their calm.
Self-reflection and self-care not only make parents better caregivers but also lead to greater personal peace and contentment. The host encourages listeners to share their own regulation strategies in the comments.
FAQs
Signs include anger, tears, heightened sensitivity, clingingness, hyperactivity, withdrawal, tummy aches, headaches, bed wetting, regression, constant need for reassurance, and sleep disturbances. Essentially, anything that is abnormal for your child.
This often means the child feels safe enough with that parent to stop holding in their emotions. When emotionally unsafe, they may mask feelings, people-please, or act extra good, only to release tension with the safer parent.
It's caused by the accumulation of stresses from moving between homes, including different rules, expectations, rituals, food, and atmospheres. A child's nervous system also responds to unpredictability, emotional tension, and pressure to please adults.
Provide predictability, consistency, routines, boundaries, and calm adult presence. Validate their feelings, offer physical connection, encourage play with big movements, ensure good sleep and nutrition, and allow decompression time with permission to talk or not.
Use the 'candles' exercise: hold up fingers like birthday candles and have the child blow them out one by one, which encourages deep breaths. You can add a joke by popping a finger back up like a trick candle to make them laugh.
Use everyday moments, like disagreements or someone having a bad day, to remind them that others' feelings are not their responsibility. Model this by saying things like, 'Mama's in a grumpy mood; I'll make myself feel better by having tea,' and remove yourself to self-regulate.
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