The Real Bianca Del Rio Is Alive and She’s Pissed

[MUSIC] >> You've got a dangling bobby pin, come on. >> That's a good track name, dangling bobby pin, bobby pin. >> There was a queen named bobby pins. Remember she used to do wigs, yeah, I don't know where she is. You know how white people, they go off to die every now and then. I don't know if it's career or personal or they're done with wigs and moving on. >> I think there's an end stage caucasity that is disappearance from public life. >> Yes. >> Like it's like a late stage caucasian, you get really into ambient music and you move to the desert. >> And there's two types. There's the one that just disappears into thin air and then there's the other that announces the departure and how they're wrapping up their life and they're done with this. But the comments are on. >> The dry queens. >> I'm retiring. >> Good. >> Three months later. >> Good. >> The bitch is back. >> I'm back Kenny. >> Trying to buy back her drag. >> Charity show. I'm back Kenny. I'm back. >> Always. >> Gouge do all with my drag. >> It's like, you know, the thing is that a lot of people, I'm not mad at you if you can't handle it or if it's not for you or you don't like the hustle or you're like doing an occasional show. Do the occasional show. We don't need to see you every day. >> For sure. >> If it's not for you, then it's not for you. >> Like a lot of the older queens will do something I think is quite charming, which is they don't officially retire, but they basically do like one show a year. >> Well, because they lose bookings. That's a little different. They become difficult to work and they don't get hired. >> They're like, wait. >> What? >> On hireable, I'm taking a step back. >> Well, think about this. >> I'm running toward myself. >> If we're talking about stars of a caliber, caliber of stars from a certain period. For instance, if you take the OG girls, like a Sherry Bunny, a Jackie beat, Coco Peru, I mean, Sherry Bunny. Sherry Bunny. I said Sherry Bunny. >> Well, we have a lady vine here. >> I can't even imagine those two together. How fucking freaky that would be. >> Well, Bunny and Sherry, if they had a kid, do you think what happened by now? This is our drag daughter, Sherry Bunny, Sherry Bunny, and Lady Vine. >> What do you think about the Lady Bunnies, the Sherry Vines, the Jackie beats, the Coco Peru's of their time? I mean, they were the shit in the '90s, obviously, doing drag, successfully traveling, no social media, literally. >> Yeah. >> Varla. Yes, Varla, as well, who's from Louisiana as I am. And what's interesting, they were doing that and they're still doing it now. And they're still just as fucking good and know exactly what they're doing. And they're all different. You know what I mean? Those are like drag stars and I think other people want to be that, but they don't put in the work. Or have talent. >> Well, in the words of the late great Geogun, who's still alive, I think. >> Is she? >> I haven't talked her today, but I think she's still here. >> Can you talk to her regularly? >> Oh, I got you on TikTok live. >> Okay, I get the best place. >> That's the wellness check for me. >> Yeah. >> I'm like, I got to open up TikTok to see if Geo's still here. >> Remind me to tell you a story about her. >> Yeah. >> I love a story about her. We're in a car and we're talking about how many drag queens are now. It's like the kind of like girl, there's so many seasons, there's so many drag queens. And she goes at this point, tricks, the dolls are the dolls. >> Oh. And how did you feel about that? >> I'm obsessed with it. >> Do you feel you're a doll or like some misfit toy? >> Maybe she said the dolls or the dolls? >> Yeah, the dolls. >> The dolls or the doll? >> The doll. >> But I think she meant was the more drag queens there are, the less, the more famous drag queens there are, the less drag queens are famous at all. Because if one of us died, there's another famous drag queen the next day. >> Oh, totally. >> Yeah, there's always somebody to take the position. >> But there used to be a half dozen of truly working large scale drag queens. >> Yes. But the trick for that was you had to go to people, you know, you were about traveling and working and going and bringing a show, you know? And that was the thing, and the only other way you could do it, aside from the old school girls that are stars, like budding in the, oh, you handled that. >> It was starting to, wow, it's right, just please don't use a mic away by the pacemaker. Just saying, don't heat up a hot dog today, sorry, but there's the OG stars that had a show that bring it to you. And the only other way that you could actually travel and make money and have status was the pageantry system. >> Yes, which obviously you and I are very decorated. >> Yeah. >> Completely. >> Because I missed Continental 1991, was it? >> Yes. >> Yes. >> And I missed desperation 1973. >> But you know what, and that year they were saying they're saying it's her year. >> It was. >> It was about to quit because I had 16 years in already, and as soon as I said, I'm done with this, they said, it's your year. >> And that was, Candace Kane came up to and said, you know what system you'd be perfect for? >> Mm-hm. >> Missed desperation. >> And it's genius. I mean, she saw it in me. >> Right. >> She saw the crown on my head. >> She was stepping down. >> Exactly. >> Have you ever done a pageant? >> No. >> But if I remember, I was prepping for this interview, and I did my little like- >> Oh, you prepped? Didn't turn off your fucking phone. >> But yeah, I know. >> Prepped for the interview. >> Yeah. >> By the way, this is Bianca Del Rio. I feel like I have to mention that. Clap for Bianca. >> I know we're here. Yes. >> Yeah. >> I have to say, for the first time, I can confidently say today's co-host is more of a clown than me. She's hilarious, diabolical, and going on tour soon with her new comedy special, it gets bitter. It's the fabulous Bianca Del Rio. >> Whoa. >> Well, wait. We have so much to discuss that we didn't plan this, but we need to let the people know. This is honestly the first time we're together. >> Indrag. >> Indrag. >> At the same time where it's actually being filmed. >> 100%. >> Because I think we've done other stuff where we've been a part of the same show. We were around each other with the finale of your season. >> Yeah. You were hosting, and I guess, technically stepping down. >> Yes. >> Crown ginger. >> Yes. >> And the lights went out. >> And I saw you by the light switch. >> That was made. That was made. >> Yeah. >> With the rope and the police. >> Right. >> You had a BB gun. You were shooting out light bulbs. >> Yeah. >> Because you know what? I actually stepped things up since the Kennedy assassination. More mainstream. There was no grassy knoll for me to stand out or school book depository, but I did get it taken care of. And that night, Kennedy Davenport was there. She was security, because she's brilliant as security, because she's got that lazy eye. So she had one eye on the stage, and then she went on. >> What was that? >> What was that? >> She always wears a Kevlar too. >> Sure. >> Which is like, you know, she could braid the bodyguard, jump in front of you. >> She can handle it. >> And to a split. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> That's her first time. >> And I just thought it was bold of you to like wall violet was on the lear for you to be poised at the back of the room with that gun. >> I tried. >> And I just thought it was really cool of you to miss. And I know you. >> I know. >> You're a dead shot. >> Yeah, I know. >> You could have had her ass. >> Let the people know. >> And you let her live, and I thought that was sweet. >> I did. >> Let her have what's left of her sad life. I think it's important. >> What is that venue called? It's called like studio stage. >> Stage 48. >> Stage 48. >> Yes. >> Yes, yes, yes. >> I almost said studio 69. >> Well, please be. >> And here what we want to hear. >> It's that cryptic street, and then there's a holiday in across the way. And that was the accommodations. >> Ooh. >> It's just a Queens of Comedy thing in San Francisco. >> Yes. >> Backstage, meaning like at the Castro upstairs behind a curtain. >> Correct. >> Because there was no dressing room. >> Yes. >> And there's actually no backstage at the Castro. >> That is one of the problems with the Castro. Love the Castro. >> It's a beautiful place. >> But when you're in a play there, your entrance, you really are like. >> The wall. >> Yeah. >> Between ropes and a curtain. >> Nothing. >> There's an alley where all the props were like, well, the peaches show. >> Yes. >> When you do a peaches show, they're peaches Christ. Peaches bunny. >> Peaches bunny. >> There is. >> Peaches. >> Hecklina Christ. >> Oh, Hecklina Christ. >> And did Hecklina have a last name? >> No. I was just thinking of Hecklina. >> Jenkins. >> Yeah, there you go. Hecklina Jenkins. >> Peaches Jenkins. >> Yeah. >> Peaches Jenkins. That does sound like a powerful person. >> Peaches. >> Peaches. >> You said one earlier that I loved, harmonica. >> Harmonica's son being. She's a friend of mine in New York. She's a New York legend. I love her. She's brilliant. And I was telling this story because that's where I know Kelly Mantle from. >> Right. >> We did a comedy special that was for logo, we're fancy. It was Kelly Mantle, me, head of lettuce and harmonica son being. And it was hosted by Pandora Box. >> Okay. >> All before Drag Race. Yeah. >> Guess who's coming here at two o'clock? >> Talk to me. >> Pandora Box. >> What? >> Wow. >> We're watching for the Patreon. We're watching season two of Drag Race. >> Have you watched season? >> Yes. >> Have you watched old Drag Race like that in a long time? >> No. >> When I tell you they all have jeans on? >> No. >> It's amazing. >> No. >> So it's like totally… >> No. >> No. >> No. >> It's a blur. I mean, it's very blurry and smoky in there, right? >> Right. >> Everyone's literally in denim, and then Raven is cut because she has a corset over every dress. >> God bless. >> What do you think about corsets over dresses? Because I have a hard time with it. >> Okay. Well, I find it's a cheap way to cinch. But I have to question if it's something that's built, if it's like a complete look, I think it's great. >> If it's built for it. >> Yes. >> But if it's something you're getting an Amazon, which is nothing against Amazon, and buying from Amazon. >> So you love big businesses. >> I'm saying that I don't necessarily like an obvious Amazon corset on top of an Amazon bodysuit. >> On top of an Amazonian woman, like jazz it up with something, make it your own, make it your own. Whatever happened, a hot glue. >> Hello, hot glue was my best friend until I found E6000. And E6000 was far more superior, not because of the quality, the glue, the smell. >> And the whole. >> The smell was great though. >> The hot glue, once it's actually set, it almost pulls away from the fabric. >> Well, because it contrasts. >> Because it contrasts. >> Yeah, it doesn't work. And you can peel it off. >> You can literally peel it off. >> Like eyelash glue. >> Yeah. >> You know, you're supposed to use E6000 with one of those like masks on. Do you do that? >> No, that's my whole point. I was saying, I really enjoyed the glue. I didn't have to deal with the dealer. I didn't know seriously. >> You're just sitting down. It was down. It was great. It was good. It really works. >> Why do you think people like poppers? >> I don't know. I'm not a poppers girl. >> I'm not either. >> No, not my thing. And I've also heard, I mean, I've also known people that have died and poppers was always in their system. >> And where were you that night? >> In New Orleans. >> I was in my business, but it was across the street of my video camera. >> Yes, as one does. As one does. But like poppers was always in their system. So it makes me nervous. And I'm of a certain age. Or I'm like, I don't want to have a heart attack. And that be my story. You know. >> You are of a certain age. How old are you for real? >> 51. >> That's county. >> It's scary. Yeah. Time flies. How old are you? >> Why didn't I say 41? >> Because you're a liar. >> 37. >> 37. >> Oh, yeah. Well, you're young. >> 37. I was born in 1989. - Oh my God. I have to ask you because I know this has been an I've seen this story in your show like 10 years ago and I just saw I just saw you in Provincetown at town hall always bring the house on a Provincetown because you used to do shows there and once you've lived there You can really make that P town crowd roll because you know the tea you know the people it must be hard to do comedy As a true out of towner in P town when you don't know the culture. It's extremely clickish there Yes, and you got to remember you know when I was starting out and dragged the real big queens had shows that would go up for the summer and Perform in Provincetown and I never thought I wanted to do that and it wasn't until drag race where I went out there and had a moment where I think it'd be like a month And I was there during the week you to the Art House, right? Yes, I did the Art House and I think Jinx was doing it I was doing we're all doing separate shows and then I was out on the weekend doing bar gigs So just flying in and out of P town is a fucking nightmare with luggage and the little plane and the fairy The plan I don't have an issue with the little plane because I'm ready to die. Yeah, but my issue is if it has too much luggage on it Yeah, you get to Boston Airport and they go oh your bags won't be your till three o'clock or whatever Yeah, and then because you're connecting to a major airline You're like sorry jet blue. I won't make my gig because I have no drag agreed and the other problem is we Did you hear that story about Jinx and the weight on the plane? I'm interested. Oh god. It's really fucking funny. She tells this story. Or by the way, I have to shout out Jinx's collab with our makeup company about today She does look death-to-finely gorgeous and that which is why whatever the story is. Oh, it's good Now we've said a comment oh no, she tells this story herself. So I'm not telling tales on her But she makes it along story doesn't go oh god. Yes, when you go to the plane They ask you how much you weigh and it's an honest question because they're trying to distribute people throughout the plane Now obviously they can see you you know, but it's up to you to admit your weight And we're gonna leave it up to these homosexuals. Tell the truth about this. Yes people that have vanity issues She decided to say she weighed 125 which side thank you And in that moment the clerk laughed and asked her to get on the luggage scale to confirm Can I say and I'm all of you can I say I've I've lied about my weight in my life But it's important to It would be like if I wanted to lie about my age. I wouldn't say I'm 12 Roundup say if I'm 37 I would say I'm 35 whatever right. She's shooting too far. Yes, but you can't walk in the airport and say I'm 40 pounds, but let's talk you can't do that you're 12 and look like this because white people don't age well You know what I mean? Right believeable or look at her she's dressed like a little girl There's something wrong with her just give her the plane ticket let her go let her go let her find her family right So in that moment, I thought it was really funny. She came back told me the story Why would she tell you that? I want my my want this to be I want this to go to its grave in secrecy. Let me tell me But unlike other cons I'll say it on stage and do you know the story about um Sherry Vine? Okay, so Sherry we're just gonna give it to you So Sherry Vine and I've been friends forever we were in New York and there's this thing called the glam awards that happens every year Sherry Bunny yeah, and so Sherry Bunny and I were there and we were doing a photo shoot mid-day drag photo shoot This is way before drag race and we're there. We're getting in drag. We're doing the photo shoot It's like now five or six and she's like, you know what girl? We're in drag. Let's go out and have a drink I'm like, oh Sherry. I want to go home and take she's like girl. We never hang out. Let's go So we went to happy hour. We're in drag. We're having a good time We're gonna have to drink and we're gonna go home cut to midnight. That is what happens. Yeah, the crack heads are coming out now The shift change is happening We're there propped up next to the DJ booth and she's like wasted not propped up. That's us Please don't ever discard my drinking as propped up. Well, I mean, it's that moment. You know, I'm that we can burn is I'm there with her. I'm there with her. Yeah, so I look at her And she's like I got to tell you this story. I like tell me tell me she's like just don't tell anybody I go to secret safe with me She explains that the night before she had met this Puerto Rican guy in the bar that was hot because Sherry likes a specific type of guy One that doesn't speak that International and somebody that's kind of straight that's questioning what's going on So she was in drag that night saw this hot guy decided to take her back to her apartment And then she goes into the room. She leaves him in the living room and she puts on lingerie some heels And she switches her wig from her show wig to her DSW, which is a dick sucking wig It's what is Courtney called a root and wig. There you go. Same wig style, but just crusty. She puts that on Comes out stands in the doorway and looks at this man and she says to him Hey, you want some of this and he goes take off your shoes What just take off your shoes. I want to lick your toes and Sherry goes lick my hole. It's cleaner than my toes And that's what stuck with me lick my hole. It's cleaner than my toes This is a this is a shining moment for her whole think about this but a really shocking thought for her toes But as gay people you know your hole is clean dirty drag queen feet can't make any promises also unless you're doing like Because what's worse a drag queen with eight pairs of like is this worse than Men's toes with like the acrylic french tip nasty like what's worse sweating in a woman's shoe No, it's not a good side thing not a good look and into feet and so she looked at me She's pleased. Don't tell anybody I said I would never I would never do that next time I introduced her the girl who's whole is cleaner than her toes She revised, but do the feet people want the feet clean or do they want them? Well, feedie. Let's ask the pit community. Is it musty pits or is it fresh pits? Is it your own smell? Is it your dirty smell? When you send panties in the mail because I know you do it. I do when you send them Are they soiled panties or they're just seasoned panties? The thing is they're inmates. They don't care. Okay. They'll take either way You know and ultimately it is my father. Oh, oh awkward. I'm just kidding. I don't know my father. I didn't do my research We are in the spring. You know it's funny. Have you ever told that story on drag race? You might have won the first time There is a bit you know, I was watching um season for the for the patreon. We're watching season two of grace Yeah, that's what we started with. Yeah, we totally digressed Watching that and I'm watching the first snatch game and I'm thinking oh wow snatch game for And you're if you're in the first snatch game, which means you've never seen it right how crazy? Yes, but then I thought snatch game is one of those things Obviously, I'm not an expert at doing a good job at it. I was like This is one of those things that um you really need to do well. Yeah, but you also on drag race kind of have to have some kind of low point Yes, and that was it for you. No, but I didn't win. I didn't win snatch game Ben de la Creme one snatch game. She was great. She was Maggie Smith. Yeah, she's Really good at winning shit. She is very good until she's tired and then she's out, but she's on another mental health break I'm done. Yeah, yeah, the carcassity of adult at any given time 80% of the white drag queens are on a mental health break in that wild In that wild, I think true, but I I've come to the realization that if I would have had surgery I wouldn't I mean surgery therapy. I wouldn't have this I think we need to go back to that let's go back to surgery. Do you think I've had surgery? I've had vocal cord surgery and I've had foot surgery. That's about it. I mean, this isn't surgery yet. What about Oh, oh Do you want to talk about that? Well, I thought I thought it was crazy to start with a pussy. Well, I just needed something tighter than my wallet And I just thought that that was the way to go. This is before body had discovered you as a comedic talent There you go. You were selling your body. I was selling my body sex and drag. No, nobody one sex with have you? Okay Gross I was hoping you would say you have and I would feel seen because no because can I tell you? I did it once just with you a couple years ago Did they live they live? I mean God they lived and it was you know kind of a make-a-wish kind of like their last yeah Um, but I was like maybe there's something I'm missing so I did it and I walked out there being like it wasn't for me But let me ask though set the scene for me context really matters Were you in trixi drag or were you like in lady drag Oh, it was this you were this it was you had a gig and you're like you know what I'm gonna do this was this a range through like an app Yes, okay, it was it was I did. Do you think I just gotten dragged? No, you laid out in the street with my drag body on and just said someone I mean there are people who have a fetish it was I know that our listeners have heard this but it's fresh for you Yeah, bring it in. I was doing I was in Manchester and I was like you know what oh all the drag queens Does that change everything? Yes, it does. But go ahead. Go ahead. Go ahead. The bar is low. What do you want to do? Fuck the gay guys? The bar is low. No, and I remember it was before meet and greet and I was like every drag queen I know it's had some kind of sexual experience and drag set me what if later in life I'm like I'm like how come I never did that right? I didn't climb out Everest right? I didn't do it all Yeah, so then I thought I'm gonna make a lady grinder Okay, and I was just like looking for whatever yeah, and some guy was like me too and he was and I literally had no pictures Not I don't have I don't have my sexy drag photos. No, you just sent them to me, but you don't post them online. I get it again I appreciate it because of our relationship and we have boundaries. Yeah, I don't mind it So I took a picture literally at the meet and greet and like a black and white 60s look like this like And sent it and I was like well, just you know most girls are kind of like a still life-painting and I'm more of a pop art situation Yeah, there you go. Good description. So then I sent me and I said I said you know I'm more of a muppets 4d experience And the guy said well, I've always had a thing for Miss Piggy. And as much as that sounds like a read no Okay, it sounds like a read but my mind what you're about to love. Yeah, you find love where you need it Because if you're jerking it to miss Piggy and I walk in that's it bricked win win win win win win It's a win-win-win. So I remember I booked a room across the street at the moxie hotel Wait, so when was the show this was before it was a sick show was it eight? I didn't mean great. Okay, walked across the street to the hotel. Yeah Left a card at the front desk went into the room and it was one of those rooms work the lights one of the underbed lights So I only had that on oh that yeah, so I was in the corner. I like yeah truly black and white like Twiggy outfit with an update Oh, so you need to put on something sexy for them. It was literally you're saying Literally the mean okay, okay, okay, you know, and so I went and sat in there, and I sat like that, and I just like, wait a minute, right? General, like a caller. Yeah. Yeah. Waiting like this, like, you know, waiting, he walks in and sees me and I was like, what if he walks in and just like last? What if he walks in and it was on of us? Well, what if he walks in and he, I don't know what the reaction will be? It'll be kind of weird. I don't even know if I also might not like this. And by the court, this, I don't know how I'm going to feel, okay? I don't feel like a woman. No, I don't feel connected sexually to this character. No, and you definitely don't look like one. So yeah, well, it really depends. I mean, in some cultures, perhaps, but some cultures, I'm considered very pretty. Sure. And very thin people that aren't sighted, but yeah, yeah, yeah, the culture. Oh, yeah, yeah. So then he walks in and he goes, oh my God. No, you are so beautiful. And I said, wait, was he a gay guy or was he like a straight, a straight guy that was okay? This is how I do. Maybe I'm woke. If someone identifies a straight, I'm not policing. Will you suck one dick? No, you're not. No, no, no, no, it identifies a straight. Had a girlfriend grade, but you don't mind being the experiment. No, okay. Use me. I'm with you. And that way I thought I have a show in 30 minutes. We're scissored. You haven't done the show yet. No, I thought you did the meet and greet plant. And did the shows at eight. I'm across this. I'm across the street sucking. You were hugging people at the meet and greet with your dick, sucking breath. No, I hadn't done meet and greet yet. So I did meet and greet, left meet and greet, went across the street, left Brandon. Didn't even tell Brandon what was going. Oh, I was going for a walk. Wow. Who goes for a walk and drag? Okay, sure. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So anyway, go in there. We start doing stuff. He starts touching stuff. And then I think he's realizing, I can't feel this. I can't feel this. Can't feel this. Right. So then it was very like, where do you touch me on the doll? I was like pulling up my dress being like, this is fake. Yeah. These are fake. This is actually couch cushion. And this is a bra. Like I was being a little too show and tell, but of course for him for him, for him, bricked. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Immediately bricked and so horny. Okay. And then so we did some sex stuff, mouth stuff with all that on. Yes. And you know what? You know what the turning point was Bianca, because I already was like for me and he was hot. And I like sex. So through my eye holes, if you take your drag out of it, I was like, for me, I'm just me having sex. Sure. But the energy of a guy getting hot by this is really throwing me off. Yeah. And then I looked, you know how it tells I've that full length mirror. I looked over and I was getting my dick sucked and drag and I look and I see myself and I see him and I go, I just got a visual. Do you remember in the shining when that guy is like lovely party, isn't it? That's what I thought. Okay. Okay. I felt like I looked in the mirror and I saw furry porn. Did it get you hotter? No. Or it made you go, I need to stop. I only could get medium sexually into it. Yeah. And it depreciated the whole time. No. And that's why I knew my instincts that I wouldn't like it. You're right. Okay. But I've done worse things out of drag sexually. So like I don't have a lot of shame about it. I tried it. Whatever. Yeah. Yeah. I just thought if you tried it, maybe I'd feel less alone. No, I want you to feel alone. I do. I think that's important to let you know what you've done as foul and problematic. And I think if you had more mirrors in your life, you probably would stop doing half the shit you've been doing. The best part is two weeks later, he he sends me like a DM being like, I saw you on TV. Are you like famous or something? And then but the best part is the best for his gay guys who fuck us are going to tell everyone. Yeah. The chasers are going to their grave with this. Okay. I keep it quiet. So at least it's I'm the one blabbing. No, I'm telling the story. I'm proud of you finding somebody that might be experimenting with things and you tried it because I think it is important. I'll try anything once. But it just it's not natural. Shut it. I've never done natural. Are you having done that? No. Oh god, I was so productive on meth. Jesus Christ. I got so much done. Like we like a calendar and we like shit to do. Google power only was I functioning and getting shit done. But god damn I knew everything. I just knew everything until until I started seeing people that were actually trying to come and arrest me and ruin my life. That got weird. Did you want? Did you want to come on the pod and sit and catch his chair and glorify meth? Is that something that's important to you? Okay. Yeah, to show you that some of us handle it well. I know. Sometimes it is like sometimes it is like dang she's a terrible spokeswoman because it's like, you know, it's like, oh, you could be rich and famous and all your dreams will come true. Damn. Damn. But no, this was this was in the early 2000s. I mean, this is way back when that was a big early 2000s feels like in gay world, meth having a big moment. Yes. Well, these move, you know, things move like your drink choices move and you can remember. Yeah, I mean, what are your drink now? Now, I mean, tequila soda. Okay. But I just start out drinking. I think I started out drinking. I think I started out drinking like Valka Sprite or something. Oh, well, that's still in the same realm. And then for a while, I did Jack and Coke. Okay. Do you like, you like brown liqueurs? Well, I've only recently started with Jack and Ginger Beer. Sherry Vine got me on that. Jack is nice. Jack is not bad. Not bad at all. I will say I know this about brown liqueurs. Your body breaks them down slower because it's more complex, which is why some people you get kind of like syrupier drunker. Okay. And you feel a little hangover tends to linger a little more with the brown liquor. I feel as a brown liquor myself. I think I enjoy it because I get sick of the same. Like I hate nothing more than when you're standing at the bar and the barter's like, what do you want? And you're like, I mean, when I was 17, I used to drink white russians, which we used to call the fat girl drink eating dairy drinks at a bar in New Orleans. In the humidity, small amounts of ice. Can you imagine drinking milk? And then I had an older queen tell me one night, like, listen, I know you drink that these white russians all night long. Let me give you a tip. Because in New Orleans, you can carry your drink on the street. He says, drink all night white russians and on your way out order a black Russian. So when you wake up in the morning, you can sip it on your nightstand. There's no milk. What's a black Russian? It's basically a white Russian with no milk. I've never had a white Russian. I don't think alcohol goes with dairy in a peeling way. It's not, it's like a dessert. It's like a dessert. It's like milk, colua vodka. Yeah, it was, it was banging. Have you ever had a tootsie roll? I drink that when I was really young. Oh, that was a drink. I shot Coca-Cola with, I think it's Coca-Cola with Jack with like orange juice. And he's like a tootsie roll. Don't care for that. Yeah. I kind of want a tootsie roll anywhere near a gay bar or a gay event. What do you like now? It's Jack and Ginger Beers my latest. And I'll go for a white wine when I'm working. If I'm on stage, I can drink a white wine. Yeah, I don't drink before I go on stage. Really? No. You do this sober? This is my best effort, sober. It was a team of 12. I'm learning a lot. Yeah. Okay. All right. Raven did this. Okay. I that explains the disproportionate. They'll fix it in post. All right. Right. I don't drink before, but what will like for DJing? Once it's, once I'm toward the very end, I'll get like a tequila shot and have it so that it like hits as I finish. Sure. And what how long is a DJ set? I'll play for like an hour and a half an hour. Okay. That's, that's a good amount of time. Yeah. That's like me on stage. So I'll, I'll have it because I still might be in great before the show. Yeah. I've seen you sip wine. Yeah. But it's not like Jamie's Russian out there to refill it every time. No, it wasn't time. There was a time. There was a time. There was a time. Seriously, there was a tenisable from pouring over and over and over and fireball fireball shots with white wine. How does bottle of vodka and a bottle of fireball? That was your writer back in the day for one person and you travel alone. Yeah, I travel alone. Well, if you drink a lot, you have friends in your mind, you know, I mean, I thought people were there. Can I be honest for the dressing room tea? Yeah. I usually have alcohol because if somebody comes back, I want to make sure I have them to give them. So I always have white wine because I'm not going to ring the whole bottle. No, I'll have one. But there's sometimes when you're in these theaters, and for instance, if you're doing night after night in a different city and you're traveling on the bus, I just like to know it's there in case I feel I want one. I don't always drink one, especially with the bus. You take it back on the bus and other people share it. Agreed. Agreed. Yeah. It's the ticket. It's the way to do it. So I like to have it every now and then, but I don't drink it as much as I used to. For us, I'll turn it. We have Jamie go to liquor store every afternoon. Yeah, but you can't find a liquor store soon. It's because some of these places you go that close them every day or they're not open past this time or you can't get liquor in this town. You know, I'm fascinated by my partners from Kentucky when I was staying there for a while. The Kroger's don't have liquor stores in there. Right. But directly attached is Kroger liquor. Yes. Because legally, you can't have liquor in the. That's true. But if you're fucking attached in the same parking lot, what is the difference? Yeah. And they also like close early, can't buy it after this hour. Yeah. That's how Wisconsin is. You can't get alcohol after nine. You can get it at bar, but you can't like go buy a handle. Another piece of the puzzle. Isn't it? Oh, we have to talk about what happened in Wisconsin. Okay, what happened? Oh, Wisconsin. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And this is like an old story. But every time you've told it, I personally love it because it's in Madison, right? It is. And it was a place. What was the name of that place? It was a club five club five. Yes, it was a remodeled pizza hut. So I absolutely. There's like an outdoor seating area where you're like, this was a pizza hut. Yes, because the roof is like a glass. The roof is the same. Yes, yes, yes, when it's right half the freeway. And you're like, huh, a gay bar right between a long run solvers and a McDonald's that's shaped like a pizza hut. But it's a gig. And it was right after drag race. And I was going anywhere and everywhere. And they invited me to go. You still are. Of course, but in this moment, I was like, yeah, let's do this. Let's go. I've never been. And I flew there. Had you ever been to Wisconsin? I never been to Wisconsin. I mean, why would I go? People treat it like it is the Bermuda triangle. Well, it's it's in that definition of flyover country. Okay, name something that they're known for that would peak my interest. Then I would go, oh, I gotta be there. Beer that you could only buy on certain days at Kroger. What else? All right. Jeffrey Dahmer. Oh, Jeffrey Dahmer. Not that. Yeah. I would have fucked him and drag the happy days. How show happy days? The funds. Oh, I didn't know that on that 70 show. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What else? Heather Graham. But you're supposed to mention things that I like. Chris Farley. What's your beef with Heather Graham? Not much. I just don't think of I'm even interested in her on any level or took on like where she from. I need to find where her people are made. Right. It's not my place. We have alcoholism. Well, that's kind of everywhere. Right. Yeah. I'm your world. I thought that would appeal to you. No, I mean, I've already mastered that in New Orleans. That's when I went on to meth after I was done with alcoholism. We have snow. We have obesity. Oh, well, I like obesity, but I'm not a fan of snow. Okay. Yeah. Let's take a break. I was there. Can't please everybody. Oh, is this a commercial? That was a Wisconsin commercial. Travel Wisconsin. Bianca. Don't want to go. Well, it's, it's not that I don't want to go. I think when you grow up in the south and you, you think about getting out, you're thinking of as a gay, I was thinking, you know, New York, San Francisco, Los Angeles, I didn't think my dream of green bed. You know, you know, we weren't sports people. I wasn't affiliated with real life. I didn't know or care. So a lot of America really didn't see until I started actually touring. I still could not tell you the order of the states on the East Coast. Oh, I can't. I understand. It was actually the East Coast. It gets really jumbled up there. Everything's so close together. Every time I'm over there, I'm like, you're telling me bot, like, I think, boss, I think Massachusetts is, but it's pretty north. It's over there. I don't fucking know. Yeah, it depends on where you are, but you know what you used to fuck me up. Portland. Garland over here. Portland over there. The first time. My first travel gigs. Yeah. I did New Year's Eve with Tim Brown and Alaska in Portland, Oregon. Yes. Spent the whole trip thinking I was in Maine. I did the same thing. You know, you know, um, Kenny was in Maine. You know, Kenny, Kenny, that's a jinx is Kenny. And he was dressing me for a couple of tours with love Kenny. And, um, Kenny, Kenny wasn't on this tour with me. And he said, well, when you get to Portland, you know, well, let's get together. We'll go vintage shopping. And I'm like, yeah, yeah, great. So I'm in Portland, right? Minded my own business. And I'm like, eh, didn't even call. He knows I'm here. You know, this is crazy. Like, I don't want to call him and put him on the spot and say, what's the story? What's going to happen? And then I look at him and said, you know, Kenny didn't say anything. And Jamie's like, yeah, he's in Portland. I go, we're in Portland now. He goes, not the same Portland. You stupid fucking cunt. And that's the reality of it all. So Kenny has assist jinx and then assisted you. Yeah. He goes, we share Kenny. So when he's tired of jinx, I get him. Right. And then I have the muscle memory of jinx. And you, do you think when he goes back to jinx, he tries to change your diaper? Yes, he does. And it's a different situation because I also have Taylor who works with Bob. So I get them both. So what happens is once they spend time with me, we discussed this yesterday is that they go back and try to instill in them what is known as the Del Rio method. Take Brandon. Yeah. Most people take Brandon. Most people are shocked by this. But it's basically just organization and cleanliness, which is shocking because jinx and Bob don't possess that. Right. Yeah. So they come spend time with me. They get inspired. And then they go back to them and try to make them better. I need you to do that to Brandon. Oh, Brandon, they're pretty. I mean, it's nice to have. Please, he doesn't even know when you go for a walk. You're free. Come on now. Come on. I know he should have been. He should have been concerned that I was just even going for a walk. Yeah. And like, where are you going to go? Like, what kind of walk do you smoke? Like, I'm going for a walk. I need some fresh air. I don't know. Why would I go for a walk in drag outside the venue about to perform at? Like all of that is bogus. Maybe I just left. Maybe I didn't even tell him. You were done. I was. I put on. I did an episodic moment. My cocksucking wig. And I went and do. Have you been having sex? Not with people. Right. Yeah. What's interesting though is that there was a time when I was in New York and you live in New York and it's so much easier to be a whore because people would just go up to your building and there's 10 different apartments to try not to get fucked in New York. What do you think? Well, when you live there, I'm saying it's so easy. Oh, yeah. Very easy. You have to actively keep them away. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Like, don't walk outside when it's brunch. Yeah. And so in these moments, that was so much easier. But now that I'm in Palm Springs, I know when people come into my house. Right. I don't want them to know where I live. Now, so it's easier to be a whore on the road when you're not in a relationship and you just hit in each town. Yeah. I mean, not as elaborate as you. I'm not booking a hotel across the street looking for somebody with a pig fetish. Wait, did I tell you my fake name when I did it? What was it? Piggy McGee? Taffy. Taffy. Taffy. Taffy puller. Taffy puller. Taffy puller. I would think string cheese would be more fitting. String cheese. Harmonica. What was it? Sunbeam. Harmonica Sunbeam. That'll be my cox, like, when I go back to doing anal and drag, I'll be Harmonica Sunbeam. But there is a Harmonica Sunbeam. So make sure that'll be Harmonica Sunbeam too. There you go. That makes it better. That's tricky. Well, that's why I'm the Bianca Del Rio on my social. With somebody. There's a Bianca Del Rio. You don't know this story. No. So I have this friend of mine, named Nikki Rich, who I loved. And when I first tried to drag, well, she's still with us. I'm saying it like she's gonna say why she did. No, she's not dead. But when I first started drag, I was working in theater and I was doing a production of Psycho Beach Party. Love. And the role I was playing was Marvel and the bitch on the beach. Yes. Such a stretch. But I was playing this part and I still these sort of doing stuff at the drag doing the spotlight number or coming in as a special guest at the drag show. Yeah. Where in the middle of the night, you all of a sudden lip syncing in the midst of the people. They cheat. They call it a pop up. And what they don't tell you is the room doesn't know what's going on. Not at all. It looks concerned. MacArthur's Park and people are a little like they have a drink and they're like, what? What? Yeah, awkward. So this was that kind of setup. And I didn't have a drag name. And the thing was, if you wanted to be anybody, you had to be printed in the local fag rag. So you would get a name in there. So I was using Marvel and and my friend of mine said, Nikki, she says, you don't, you know, you're not a Marvel and that's your name for the playable and not for you. She goes, you remind me of my friend, Bianca, that has passed away. And I went, oh, okay. I'm like, whatever. So Bianca became my name. Bianca, do you realize my name? And I'm rolling with it now cut to 18 years later. I do drag race. And I don't know if you know, but I won drag race. Right. And I'm at the airport airport Las Vegas. I think I am. So there's all those poker machines in that airport. And I'm listening to all of my voice mails on my flip phone. And everybody's like, congratulations, congratulations. And then there was a call from Nikki because hey girl, it's Nikki. I love you so much. I am so proud of you. But I'm here to tell you Bianca is alive. She's not dead. And she's pissed 18 years later. She's not dead. And she's pissed. Why? She pissed. Because I've ruined her name. And I've taken so imagine the way Bianca. Well, now that's why I'm V Bianca. Don't watch. Pull up a picture of her. She's dressed as exactly like, can you imagine? She's mad. She wears this much eye makeup. She's like, I am pissed. Hey, why doesn't everybody do my voice like that? Is it that raspy? Is it that low? Do you think? Do you think that you have a asking? She said, she said, why does everyone do? No, I didn't say I sound like a sex kid. Look here Miss Taffy. I'm just saying, I'm not here. Am I? That's a treat. Don't you think when people think of you, it's I'm a man in a wig. That, but I don't sound like that on a regular basis. But if everybody gets the impression of that, don't you think you're at least giving that? Okay. Is this like therapy or something? Or we're just going to, you think we all got together and said, you know, be funny. If we do Bianca's voice, let's make up a like a bulldog voice. Okay. You just made up a fake profile where you're a fucking pig. And you're telling me, I need help. I don't think this is right. And then he was hot and he was horny, which I guess some of that rubbed off onto me. But at no point, did I have an actual fall under the spell? Like this is great. Okay. Not once. Okay. I was, as I was doing it, I went, I said, it's just like I thought this is the for me. Oh, well, I did it. Okay. And how did it end? Oh, it was fierce after I pulled, I, you know, pulled up my pants. It's Kapizio tight and 90 pennies or anything. And I just all sticky dick stuck to your Kapizio tights. I left the lights on. I like, oh, you only want the lips. No, no, I mean, you already draw out of the line. I can only imagine. It was just like beige. No, no. And I remember I like went and opened the door and was very like, here's looking at you kid. You left him in the room. Yes. Oh, God. Did you put a credit card? Oh, yeah, put my card down. Okay. Brave. Incidentals. Yeah, yeah. Got it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What are you going to do? Come find me. I'm not from this country. But I'm very proud of you that you actually went through with it. And I always say this. If anything, to see if I like it. And if I don't, I'll have a great story to tell later. That's, I actually think I was looking for, I was looking for the story every their drag queen had, which is some kind of in drag hookup story. Now if you're courting or something, it's probably genuinely sexual and it's great for me. I just couldn't. It was actually to hook up as a chicken. That's good, though. That's good. Like that awkward memory. Like when you do a child's party, don't ask, but you show up as like some mascot of some sort, and you realize, this is really fucked up. Have you ever done kids parties? No, I was just saying that. Have you ever read to the kids in line? No, I don't like children. I don't. I don't want to read to the kids. I feel like I don't want to say I don't want to read to the kids because I want people who read to the kids to have the freedom to read to the kids. Sure. But I personally, it's important to remember your drag is not a monolith. Yeah. I do not want to read to kids. I just want people to read. Like people to read a book read other people would be important. But I don't personally feel a connection to it. Now I do have nieces and nephews that I love. I do have friends, kids that are that I they know what I do, but I don't go around them in drag and express. No, you show up in drag with a book and you say, sit down. Yes, it has to happen. Not for me. Not for me. I'm not into it. Now, is your family impressed by your drag? What do you mean? Do they think it's cool? Do they think it's oh, no, no, what they're happy that I'm making my money and I haven't been a jail? That's literally how my family feels. It's my mom called me yesterday to say, oh, I watched your Halloween special. And which I was like, oh, my God, thank you for calling. What did you think? And I don't need my I didn't get started doing drag. So my family, you know, we don't start doing drag and nightclubs. So our families approve. Oh, God, no, no, no, we've moved on from that. Right. Yeah. So my mom goes, it was different. All right. And it's so funny. I'm like, so you remember to call to say I watched your special. But did you get a passive aggressive comment come up with like, we liked the hair like to come up with one thing, which is not a liar. But yeah, have you ever seen a bad play where you have to make up a line? Yes. What do you say? What I've been in a bad play where I'm like, what line are you going to give me? I've had moments where you see people, What is your go to that you? When you're forced to see something or where you've watched it, I will support, I will go and I try to be diplomatic in this level So they go maybe I'm not getting it and you know every blind seller has a blind buyer someone gets it It's just not me. You're a hundred percent right. Yeah, we are not the judges of what's good. No, so really who cares if you don't like it? No artist objective. You could have an opinion on it. You love it. You live for it. That's great. I guess I'll say You can't say the obvious things like wow you memorized all that or and you can't say like I like Kim, she used to say to the people's makeup I like the glitter. Okay, not bad. No, no, no, that's factual. She's saying, I don't Everything else is fucked up. The glitter was doing good till you got a hold of it. Yeah, the glitter was there In the room while it happens. Yeah The glitter was a victim in the scenario. What have you? What have you used that you're like go to that you think works that they're not suspicious of you Because it is that awkward. I just leave when you go see a drag show now that everybody's watching you watch the drag show And that I hate because I think it's rude to the people on stage. I agree. I have a rule if I've gone to Mickey's in on a Monday night and you know, I get to get to see my friends Mariah who I love you need her on the podcast She's got Mariah. She's so gorgeous. She's the best and the bitch can drink. Oh wait, not only that she can paint that face in 10 minutes with a dirty brush and look that fucking gorgeous I love Mariah. She She's would be forming and I'll go there and people come up to me like I'll be I can't get a picture Can we not do it while they're doing their number can we just wait till it's over it? They're like and I go I'm not telling you no. I'm just saying all people are gonna see is me taking a picture while my friend is up there doing I know feels disrespectful. It is rude to them. Yeah, I almost think it's rude to go and like I've been to things in drag because of scheduling And it almost feels rude to go to something in drag. Yeah, it's like hello. Where's Waldo? Yes. Yes. I hate it Also when people come up to you and say I hate to bother you. No, no. This is bothering just own it. Just own it Just own it come up to it. Say hi. I'd like to get a photo. Yes. Hi. I saw your show. I think this. Yes I also don't tell me how I feel about you coming up to me exactly call it for what it is. I'm not mad I might be you know. I might enjoy it. Yes And you know, I mean the thing is it takes more time to be a cunt to people than it is to just go sure Let's take the photo. You know, I used to feel that way about hugging because I was like oh, it's a boundary. Yeah, but in a loud club Screaming whatever we're gonna say the hug communicates better than us trying to find screaming each other totally So now I'm all about hugging. Well, that's good. You've moved on you've grown and you know with different men in different hotel rooms No, we got it. It's a taffy. Yeah, whatever taffy has to do that at Bianca Taffy's gonna get pulled. What the fuck were we talking about? Oh things to say. Oh, so we have to get back to what happened in Wisconsin that too Open tab open tab, but there's there's a thing that I always say to people which is really good And I guess it's gonna be ruined now because people are gonna know what you normally say what Tajaki did great Because the last time I know what that means a lot to him coming from you Because you're white. You know he does know that one time I went to see him in Chicago And I didn't like it and left in the halfway. You didn't like Chicago or him in it Just Chicago. Oh, okay. I've seen Chicago and that night. I just wasn't feeling it. So what you're saying is you've seen it with better people No, it was it was it was it was the It was giving what I heard you do this so many times with what we my notness. It was like yeah dusty black costume Yeah, yeah, and I was like well if they're not living I'm not living. So I left and then I forgot that it was a comp ticket and Tajik afterward was like Are you gonna come back and say there's just like 10 years ago or something? He was like Can you want to come back and say hi? And I was like oh? I'm good. I had to go somewhere else. I'm in bed. I'm in Manchester with a man who's got a pink fetish Taffy cannot come to the phone right now. See the thing I always tell people is when you go especially if it's a comp If it's a comp you show up and I have a big problem when you don't show up on time show up on time be punctual for a Comp you better go you're better and if not you let them know in advance. Hey something came up I can't make sure you give this ticket to someone who can be there But after the show if it's rough best thing you could say to the body is go those seats Saw it all. I saw it all actually love that because it means nothing And they're always going thank you and you go I've said nothing. I've said I didn't say it was good I didn't say it was bad. I said from my seat that you gave me Saw it all. Saw it all. Saw it all. Saw it all. Saw it all. You's a hand gesture that works. Try it on me. Try it on me. Bianca, what did you think of the show? No, you do it now. You got to tell me that you saw it all. Oh yeah. So what'd you think? Bianca the seats. I just it was I could see everything Not the best delivery. You can work on it. It's got to be confident. You got us. Oh my god. Bianca the seats and I love this. No, you want I love the seats so I could have my stir up and finger my pussy while I watch you Bianca. What is wrong with you? You've got to go Bianca the seats like we know as a show. We know we're Hollywood. We're performers. I don't need to say much the seats. Right. I saw it all Bianca the seats What that's it. I saw it all. I saw it all. Oh, that feels like That feels like me. No, it's just like me. The seats. I saw it all. No, the seats. I don't see that's different delivery You took it down. If you keep it up where you're like you were doing the thing and from that seat, I saw it all. Yeah. That's amazing. Oh crazy. It works. That's so crazy. It works. You did that and I was in the room while it happened. All facts. All facts. All facts. Who can argue that information? No one's gonna say. Trixie was shady. Yeah, she said. Trixie said she was there and she said she watched it while it happened. Thank you. And several people have actually documented it while you said it. So what did Bianca say about the show? She said that she saw it while it happened, but now I got to change it, but yeah, yeah, now you've told everyone what that means everybody told you that in the past. You needed to hear it at some point. Truthfully, so let's talk about what happened at club five. Oh God back to that. Yeah, baggage gets lost. So yeah, I was traveling and doing gig to gig to gig to gig and I was going there to be a part of their drag show that they were having. And I was unfamiliar with this particular place. You know, I didn't look it up in advance, but I thought, hey, we're there one night next night. I'm in Canada. None of it makes sense. It was just gig after gig. So I got there. There's two flights. So we're coming into Wisconsin at that moment. And I was on a 6 p.m. flight and I think there was an 8 p.m. flight that was happening. So it's a Madison. Yes, yes. So 6 p.m. I'm there and my bags are not there, which is an horrible thing for a drag queen. So you have that moment where you go up to the desk. It was a lovely day. Their name was Debbie and Debbie sit there and I said, listen, I don't have my bags. And you know, I need to figure this out. I'm like, I know you Bianca. I'm like, yes, it's never anybody cute, but it's her. All you need is like one bag behind the desk or like one fun girl who knows drag race to change everything. Who gets your life? All you need. And here she is. She's enthusiastic. And she says to me, don't worry if it's not on this flight because it hasn't come around. It'll be on the 8 p.m. flight. Now my gig is at 10. So I'm like, cool. I'll get to the hotel. I can lay down, do a quick drag. Do what I've got to do. Right. Cut to 8 o'clock. I wake up. And of course, I called Debbie and I'm like, hey, hey, checking on my bag. She's not here. And I'm like, what do I do? And she's like, but I might promise to get it here in the morning. I'm like, I've got to be in Canada. And we were all meeting. It was me, a door, Courtney and Darian. So they knew I didn't have bags. Darian's telling me, oh, you can borrow something of mine. Anyway, this was happening in that moment. And the promoter called up Jamie and said, you know, do you want to cancel? And I'm like, cancel. They are 60 people in a remodel pizza hut waiting to see me. I am doing this. So I went to Walmart. That would have erased many challenge. And I went there. I got a onesie. I got a scarf. I made a turban. I cut out eyelashes on a construction paper. And the saddest part is that look exactly as I do right now. That is true. It's like we've talked about this before. When you have to do speed drag, you look in the mirror and you go, what am I normally doing? Hello. I can cut time in half if I just put it on. I guess if it was like panic mode and absolutely had to, I think I would do something similar. What do you make? Like a half tan? What do you make? I was a onesie. I had a onesie. And I made this turban out of a scarf. But you didn't even have hair. No, I didn't have anything. The girls were very sweet. The one of them had a cape. So I had a cape. Oh, good. A reveal. A turban in a cape. Yes. And a reveal. And I had that. I took that up. And then I got, I think those pictures of it, they gave me a cheese hat. So I have one of those cheese hats. But I did the show anyway. I mean, what do you do? You're there. It is what it is. And they were lovely people. So I didn't want to dog Wisconsin, but they were actually very fun. I haven't been back since, but they were lovely. You'll probably co-sign on this. I tell this all the time. You know, we've been to every pride in the world. Yes. What do they call secondary markets? Yes. Third markets are the fun fucking prides. Well, when they, when they have a sense of humor, it's always great. But I can't stand the prides because they can't stand the prides that are not organized because it's usually 15 people. And then as an angry lesbian with a golf cart and a clipboard and tense with no ventilation that you're outside. I'm good with starting late. I'm good with whatever you tell me, which is tell me what's going on. Don't say it's coming up. It's coming up. Is it 30 minutes from now? Is it an hour from now? I'll take off my shoes. I will be ready when you want me. I understand how things happen. But they're not always honest with you. And that's what makes it really hard. I just always feel like to like New York, LA, whatever. These are these huge prides that are a super corporate, which is fine because I love money. Yeah, of course. But it's a different vibe than like when you go to like a smaller pride where the people there make a bigger deal out of it. Well, they're happy to see you. Yeah. The gay people there treat it like it is a major, major event. Yes. And the energy is like you can feel it. Oh, totally. Even when I go and let's say they have you just performing, but then there's no meet and greet involved. And they'll ask me at the last minute, would you do me a great? I'm like, of course, let's do it. You're already there. Where am I going? So let's take photos. So we take photos with everybody and they're the best. And the great thing about it is if you handle people properly, which is always a plus, they will always come back and see you again. You know, it's like if you fuck somebody good the first time, they won't show dick again. That was like, well, Taffy. Yeah, that was like, well, they want my other dick. Got it. They want my third hole. My third hole. Yeah. Uh-huh. How many fourth hole? I don't know. How many do you have now? You can always make a new one. It is awkward. (laughing) - What about this? Somebody says, "What's the weirdest place you've had sex?" And you say, "The ear." - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - And if anybody said, "Be careful," because you'll get, "Here it aids." (laughing) - Oh God. - She also said, "Daria is a water-based lubricant." - She called me two days ago. - She called me five minutes ago. I told PD, "Before I came out, it's a lady bunny." And I'm like, "I can't, I can't right now, 'cause it'll throw me in a spin." And then the tech said, "Call me, Dyke." - Oh, she said, "She texts me something like, "Please call me at your earliest convenience." It was like so formal. I was like, "Okay." - You know, she's got like a checklist. - Maybe with chat GBT. - She goes down a list and whoever doesn't answer. I've been in the same room where there's a variety. - And Sherry have been there. And if I don't answer their phone rings. - It's a phone tree. - I want to ask you about, there's just this iconic clip of you from like, - Oh God. - Maybe 10 years ago. - Oh God. - I think it was at the San Francisco Cafe. - Oh. - It was like, that moment. - Maybe right before season six. - It was airing, it was actually, I was there for a, what did they call it? - A viewing party. - And I guess I wanted to bring it up because I only know the clip. And I was wondering if he gave me more context on like, what happens leading up to that? - Well, there it was. - What was the joke? He was a fan of mine. - And it was extremely awkward. Because what they were doing was a viewing party at the time that would air drag race was on a Monday night. - Uh-huh. - And you would come in, you would watch the show with the audience. - And then I miss it on a Monday. - It was a good time. It was a good time when drag race was a thing to do. - I mean, Friday is fun 'cause it feels like I kick off to the weekend. - Yeah. - It was like, crawl to your house. - Great, all my friends are coming over. - And it's, drag race wasn't that big at the time either. So it was like, if you know you know. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so you would go to San Francisco, you would do that. And then I would play a game with the audience. I think that was it. It was like sometimes lip sync bullshit because the show was airing at the time. And I didn't want to lip sync numbers. And I had to be careful because I knew how far I got. But you didn't want to lead into letting anybody know. So I didn't want to talk shit about the other girls yet. - Right. - You had to kind of be neutral. - So being Hispanic myself, I would make jokes about specific things. You know, you're in San Francisco. There was a couple of people being rowdy and we were cackling at all types of things. - Right. - And I think it was later in the evening, this guy, you know, drunk had crossed over and that he felt the need to confront me. Now you gotta understand, I didn't realize people were filming. You know, I started drag before phones or those types of moments. - For electricity. - For electricity. - Doing my thing, correct. I'm just doing the thing, talking shit. You know, he does this thing. I say what I say. And the best thing you can do is when someone's voicing their opinion, it's hand in the mic and say, go ahead, tell me what you got to say. Say what you got to say. - Right. - So we said what he said. I said what I said, that was that. - He says something like, he says, he. - Oh, you got to be careful because the Latino community pays your bills. - And then he says sweetheart. And then he like taps you on the shoulder. - Oh God, you really watched it. - No, no, I watched it this morning because I wanted to remind myself. And it wasn't I guess just that. It was also the sweetheart. It was also the. - Concentrating. - Yeah. - Yeah. - That's fucking crazy thing. - Well, it was also funny. I didn't take it personal at all. I just unleashed Venom as I did. And he said, be careful because the Latin community pays your bills. I said, I wish Latin community would pay their own fucking bills. And that was just the stir of it. I left. I went to another gig. I think it might have been Mobile, Alabama, B-Bob's. And I did not open my phone. I didn't know. - Did the person leave? - Well, this all kind of just happened. It's a blur they were gone. They ran out of the bar if they continued to watch. - Oh, I don't know. I wonder if they saw the clip the next day. - Well, I didn't see it until I got to Alabama and my phone is blowing up. And I see this video of me just reading this packet. And I'm thinking, this is it. I'm going to lose now. RuPaul's not going to say that I am good enough to hold this title. And it's all going to be gone. - Well, when you said Selena was dead, I did think your career was over. - Well, no, yeah, I had to let them know. - That's a fact. Once again, it's a fact. Just like the seats. I'm just reminding them that she is dead. The seats. - So that just was kind of that moment, but I really thought it was done. I thought, oh, God, I did this before the end of January. So I thought, a door is going to win now. It's over. - Oh, because you think you have to be on your like, baby kissing? - Yes. - And that's not exactly kissing. - Yeah, but I mean, that was back in the day. Back in the day when you were scared by an NDA or squealing or telling any business about the show. So I was in a different place. And I thought, oh, God, this is over. And not the case, not the case. It all blossomed from that. And every now and then, it pops up as a memory, which is really, really sweet. But I don't know what happened to that guy. It's great to just relive it and go, oh, the good old days. - It's really like a relic. And it's just, I don't, I think that was probably the lot of people's first experience with you because certainly that's different than watching on Drag Race. - Totally. - That was the first clip of you in the wild. - In the real world. - That's what Drag Race fans had seen. - Yeah, New York people knew it 'cause that's what you would do regularly. So it was a different thing. And the funny thing about doing Drag Race is a friend of mine said about me when I went. They go, two things are going to happen. Either Bianca's going to go home first or she's going to win. It's like, it's your polarizing and either people are going to get it or they're not. And that's what happened. - There was a world out there where you went home first and Kelly Mantle was the winner. - Correct. There's one there where they said-- - It's a multiverse. - I remember they said that I broke my leg and I was kicked off. And they did that other thing. You might remember this in the trailer. They used me saying, I'll show versatility when Michelle wears a turtleneck and Santino wins a sewing competition. - Right. - Which was from a comedy segment, but they aired it with everybody's shocked faces. And that was like in the trailer. So everybody's like, oh, she's going home. - I made it look like you like freaked out. - Yes, and Michelle's like, but none of that happened at that time. So it was quite fascinating. They did really good editing. - And she still hasn't worn a turtleneck. - Oh, she does. She has with the new titties. Yeah, she did. - That's right. - I don't know what happened to Santino, but yeah, yeah. - Well, can I ask you an about another thing? - You can ask who it is to do share. - I have a question because we all know you as Bianca do Rio. - Yes. - But you had a whole second life as share. - It's a southern thing to do is when you were in the bar scene, if you had a diva that you could portray. And so when I was young, I was brown and had a big nose so I could do share. Now, remember, this is before I believe. So you had a limited share repertoire. - New world, yes. - You know, where it was like 70 share that the old Queen's really loved and then there was 80 share. So I was in the 90s. This is all before I believe. - You did like long flat hair here. - I did long flat hair. I did always put like a little shoulder pet underneath it. And then I got real creative 'cause I made a sunny puppet and then I made matching outfits and we would have several outfits that we would change and then we would do sunny and share. So that was like the repertoire. So when believe came, it was the turning point. - That can make real money bitch. I could make now instead of $75, I can make $200 on New Year's Eve. - Yes. - I have something else I have to talk to you about. And this is really important to me. I cannot, this just hit me like a ton of bricks. - Okay. - So, do you know about this clip of you doing defying gravity from a pride? - Yes. - 'Cause I think no one has seen this. - Yes, Bob always posted. - Because Bob showed it to me. - Bob has nothing else to do. - And Bob told me like, "Don't show anybody Bianca." They're like, "Please show it!" - Okay, 'cause it's you and you and me. - Why do people think it's sensitive? - Because you have people killed. - It was, yeah, like you want your own wrist. (laughing) Could you imagine Trixie no longer here? - Next week. - Hi, welcome to the bottom, beautiful Bianca DeLorea. - I showed the clip and the next day, I'm just gone. - Yeah, I'll bring the puppet. - We look at Katya's social media. The last thing she did was share that clip. - Won't walk. - She's gone dead. - I am, no, it was a Halloween in New Orleans. And they used to do these production numbers. - And it was a wicked number. - It was a wicked number. It was like some remakes, dance mix version. And they would have this production company. - Incredible. - That would come in. - Incredible compelling dance mix. - Girl. - It was wild. - It's like a 90's circuit. - Seven minute, good, good, good, good. - Well, it was like a spotlight number. So the bags are dancing on their drugs and then the middle of it, a production would happen. So wicked was big at the time and this production team came in and we had a limited rehearsal. And the guy was like, we're gonna host it. - Oh, it was unlimited. - Shut up. - We were, unlimitedly having a rehearsal. We were like, very, he's like, don't worry, the guy that's here is gonna run it. And it wasn't like Peter Pan flying by foi kind of a situation, right? - It literally was like a clothesline with a rope that when I got on that. - I was in a professional flight. - No, 120 pounds at the time. - I think it was literally somebody with a fishing pole. - Very much. - And I got on it. - And then. - How did they harness you? - It was through my garage. - You look like the person hanging in the Wizard of Oz that's swinging. - Correct, behind the train. - You literally are like, yes, because that's felt most comfortable. So I'm there in the wing and they're telling me, I'm gonna fly. - Okay. - And you mine. - I'm gonna fly. - You think it's gonna be because that's what we discuss. - But I fly in the sky. - Not the case. - Not the case. It is inch, inch, inch, inch, inch. And I'm trying to stay forward. So I'm twisting. - Oh yes. - She's like this. And as she's lip syncing, it's like the feature is on me. - Turn it around, turn it around, turn it around. - Like a bird feeder. - Trying to like throw her weight. - That was the magic of it all. - It looked like a decoration. A real decoration that someone was like, woo, like a hood ornament. - Like a hood ornament. - Yes. And that was. - But what are you gonna do? - Nothing 'cause it's on stage and you're there. And once again, I didn't think, oh, it's being documented. So I revel in that fact. If you admit to the mistakes and go, girl, that was fucking comedy, you're safe. - Oh, it's so much better than it going well. - Oh yeah. - Now it's like, oh my god, that's incredible. - It was genius. And I worked with this company. It was in one year we did like a Shakira number. There was one year we did a butterfly number where they actually lifted me some Kylie Minogue number. But this was the only time that we actually did rigging which really was not the team. - Did you guys ever do a harmonica sun beam number? - We did not. But we should now. - Huge misstopper. - We'll work on it, Lafayette. - Huge misstopper. - Yeah, Taffy. - Taffy's Lafayette. - Taffy's Lafayette. - When I do comedy, Lafayette. - Lafayette. - See, change it up. - Huge, and there'll be a different character. - Yeah, that'd be good because Taffy's not funny. But Lafayette is. - Merch idea for you. - Talk to me. - What if you did like Lafayette Taffies but they were Bianca Taffies and the jokes under them were, have you traveled with Ken? - Hardcore. - Not the best thing I do. - I'm not saying you travel with that. - Oh, you want to sell candy online? - But you say you sell candy online? It's the only thing I don't sell at the point. - It's because I sell everything online. It's kind of awkward. - Yeah, I know. You should start renting your house as the Bianca-- - Oh, no, that's amazing. - The Bianca Del Real Motel. - I hope all this gets cut. (laughing) - Oh, somebody recently-- - The Social Security number is-- - Wait, I didn't interview yesterday. It was so funny and some guys-- I need to ask you about Trixi Mattel. And it's always awkward. Does this happen to you? Because-- - You've blessed me about you all the time, but I tell them like, I say we talk on the phone maybe twice a year. - Yeah. - For an hour. - Yeah. - Same thing, I said correct. - But we don't get to work together. - No. - So I don't super know you. But because of Palm Springs, people probably think we know each other very well. - Completely. - Because we've been through the drag race machine together, they think that we-- - They were all hanging out. - They were close. - What? - Like, the season. - But I genuinely have only, I see you like once a year and usually, neither of us are, we're not both in drag. - No, it's never at the same time. So people are fascinated by this and someone asked me about it yesterday and they said to quote you. And I was like, oh God, what did I say? And they said, you said, "Trixie Mattel has a motel "in Palm Springs. "It has six rooms where I come from." That's not a motel. It's a house. Now, I'm like, what am I supposed to do with this information? - Well, can I say-- - Because I don't remember saying it. - How many? - There you go. - So you're being a little ridiculous. - And add on. - And add on. - I fancy myself an innkeeper. - Yeah, just like that remodeled pizza. - You added on-- - You added on-- - And something on the menu is that, I'll come by your room. - Huh? (laughing) - Talk about turn down service. (laughing) But it's funny that people then want to know like how we're connected. And it's like, crazy thing where I go. Yeah, I don't know. But then you sound like a cunt if you say that. It's like that J-Lo. - No, we do. - Mariah Carey moment. - We're like, oh, I don't know her. Or I'm not close with her. - Right. - Yeah, I know you well enough that I'm like, let me call Bianca quick. And then you'll pick up and we'll chat for a second. But when I'm in Palm Springs, usually for work. - Completely. - And so I'm hiding. - I'm doing stuff with the motel and you're literally at home. - Yes. And I'll say, hey, I'm here and I don't usually see you. - Yeah. - Or we just don't. - It's just called life. - It's kind of life. - But people are trying to figure out this mystery. So I hope this ends all of it right here. - Genuinely. - I don't only really work with Katya. Mostly I only see her. - Right. - So imagine what I go through. - No, I understand. I get the calls. I get the calls when you don't answer. - She calls me. - She calls Bonnie's phone tree and you're on Katya's phone tree. - Completely. - Completely, girl. - Katya's phone tree though is like a Rube Goldberg machine. - Yeah. - There's no rhyme or reason. - Weird. She called me at midnight. - Oh, totally. - And I haven't heard from her in years. - And you're lucky, you're lucky if you get just one. I get a series of like six to seven with updates throughout the evening, which is highly entertaining. - Have you noticed she's an early riser? Katya will call it seven in the morning. - Well, you are awake early if you don't go to bed. (laughing) - Are you an early diva? - I am. - Now I am. I wasn't always. - I'm obsessed with these stories of Rupal being like, oh, I get up at five and go to the grocery store. - I don't know. - I'm about to the grocery store. - No, I don't do that. No, I'm not five. I mean, Rupal giving like this lender man on a bike, going to Gelsen's like time zones make you that way. So you're a little more sensitive. So I'm paranoid when I'm someplace else because I'm always thinking I'm gonna miss a flight or I need to be awake for something. - I wake up looking at the phone being like, what time? - Yeah, where am I? What time do I need to be there? And then with drag, you've got a backtrack. So yes, the event might be at 11, but you're like, oh, God, I got an unpack. I got to be ready. I got to leave here at 10. I got to get it. So I'm always doing that. So that's where daylight has come in. - Yeah. - Because I'm not pulling taffy at night like you are. So during the day is where I get most done. And that's kind of the reason why I'm awake now, you know? - Yeah. - And pump springs with a sunshine everywhere. You're awake early and you're like, yeah, this is it. - I love pump springs. - It's fabulous. - It is fabulous. Actually, are you doing anything for pride? - No, I'm gone. I'll be in Latin America. - I always pick up a little DJ gig there. This year I'm DJing. The new owner of two cans is throwing like a party in the parking lot. - How nice. - It's like when a DJ, the part, DJ two cans parking lot. - I haven't DJed there. I haven't been to the two cans parking lot, but I have done a show in the parking lot. - Two cans is fun. - No, it's cute. I've been there. I've been to the establishment. Yeah, because they do remodeled recently. - When you go to gay bars and pump springs, what do you like to go to? - It varies. Usually when I have friends in town. So I let them pick where they want to go. 'Cause that's what I do. - That's what I do. - That's what I do. - Where to go and I don't know what the hotspots are. - I go to black book or I'll go to quads. - I've been to quads. I've been to a place where they do, where's the place where they do Broadway video nights? I see Catherine Zayde Jones doing all that jazz. That has been the place. I've also go a lot to, where is Oscars? 'Cause I go see Sherry and them show. Sherry, Barla, Cokapru, anyway, that's in town. I'll go see the show. - Is that the purple room? - No, different than the purple room. - Different, I've seen you. - Do you know the purple room I think? - Yes. Oscars is lovely. They have some serious drag going on there. - Oh my goodness. - On the weekends, you will see drag queens out there doing a two story brunch. - Yep. - Three shows. - Three shows. - Like multiple seatings. It's crazy. - Bachelorettes everywhere. - Yeah, and then I love to go to, this is not a gay bar, but you know that little teaky bar right downtown. - No, I haven't been to the teaky bar. - All teaky out of its mind. Forget what it's called. It might be literally called the teaky room. - Well that works. - Is someone Googling it? - It's like right on the strip. So I always am like, oh, let's just go there. - 'Cause it's easier to sit and talk to people. - Yeah, I agree. - And it's over on my end of town by the motel. People ask how to get to the motel. I say you get to Palm Springs and take a ride. 'Cause that's-- - That's right. - Do you feel super young in Palm Springs? - Very, that's why I move there. - My assistant says every time it opens grander there, he gets reminded to put on sunscreen. - It's true though. It's cheaper than surgery. It's the best thing to do. So in a leg or a turtle's bag, you go to Palm Springs chicken. - It's the ideal thing. - One time it's a very gay area. One time I went to the doctor there. It's like outcome. - Why? - And they have to take my blood for something. - They take my blood and they went to wipe. - But it shows it goes. - Wait, what? - Girl, like a store mannequin. - Okay, why? - Handfuls of foundation, like lotion. - Someday my pretty half-com. - Do you have like bad skin or something? - No, even skin. - I like the look of like-- - Oh, okay. I mean, I get the face. - It's called commitment. - Yeah, I did not know that. - Do you, I also think because I'm so fair, my skin just looks like blotchy. - Okay. - So you need something to balance it out. Like a derma blend of some sort. - It needs a light, full coverage mannequin paint on the full body. - I got it. - You got a warm body makeup? - I mean, I wear stuff on my chest when I shave it, but only shave what you see. - Right. - Is that make sense? - Like right now I didn't shave my armpits because you're not gonna see my armpits. - I'll put on a full coverage foundation of the legs and then on the tights. - No! - I'm just kidding. - You're fucking freak. I'm like, that's actually more disturbing than the story of stuck in that guy's dick or that guy's stuck on your dick. - Oh, I want to say before we lose you, can you tell everybody where they can see you for your tour? - Oh yes, so. - It gets bitter. - All information is available at TheBianca del Rio.com, I'm actually on the road, going to Latin America, South America, all that now, and then I'm back in the United States, starting in late January. And I'll be going to the UK and Europe as well, and then we've got more dates that we're announcing, which will also be Australia and Asian, all that is to come. But for all information and all updates, go to TheBianca del Rio.com. - Damn, you've been touring for so long. - But that's all I've been doing. - But if people haven't seen you yet, they're actively avoiding you. - That's it. And I tried to explain this to Bob recent. I was like, you know, like you've done this podcast, you've done some TV stuff. He's like, I've always just been on the road, it's been my little ML, this is my seventh time around the globe. - But that's how I am on YouTube, between my channel and everything. If you haven't seen me on YouTube yet, you're actively, like- - You're avoiding. - Clicking off. - Yeah, yeah, that's great. - For a bit, you watched one video of me, you will be stalked. - That's right. - YouTube's like, did you want to watch Trixi again? - No! (laughing) - For a while, it was like this, the pit stop, my video on Mondays, and in that context. - And in that context. - It's a lot of context. - And it was like YouTube being like, if you don't into drag, we will get you into drag. - We're gonna get you into this thing. - And this is thing. - Do you want this girl to pill your tattoo? - Yeah! - And I'll be going on the Taffy puller tour, which is kind of following your tour. - Please do. - And I'll be behind the theater, where Bianca does her shows and my legs are big. - Going for a walk. - Yeah, for a walk. - Do you want to walk with Trixi? (laughing) - Walking Trixi in nature. (laughing) - Walking with Trixi and feel her nature. - Mmm. - Bye. - Bye. (upbeat music)