"The Radical Right Is More Reasonable Than the Moderate Left" – Steven Crowder

[MUSIC PLAYING] Clip culture has ruined everything. People are looking for a clip. Blacks, trans and kids, you guys got anything else? That will do. Mexicans. What people would do is the radical right wing view is more reasonable than the moderate left view. I am not going to disagree with any other group more consistently than the left, including, by the way, billionaires, elites, Jews, accountants, name one person on that platform. One person who ran for president in the last cycle, who had a reasonable approach. Do you think the left is going to say, no, no, you're right. No cocks in women's sports. Do you think they're going to say that? I don't think they'll use that language. Do you think they'll even concede to principle? AOC saying woke 1.0. It was crazy. Is it implies there is a woke 2.0 coming? Of course, it's by the logic of it. It's just it's selling it differently. It's packaging it in a way that doesn't look welcome. These people are Marxists. That is who they are. Do you like annoying people just by taking a sip of coffee or the clothes you're wearing? Then head over to our merch store where you'll be able to buy hoodies, t-shirts, caps, prints, stickers, posters. And of course, the world famous trigonometry mug. Go to shop.triggerpod.co.uk. That's shop.triggerpod.co.uk and become part of the show. Do you even cry to welcome to trigonometry? Thank you for having me. I appreciate it. We've been trying to have you on for a long time. So glad it's happened. Before we get into the conversation we want to have and we want to talk about what's happening on the right in the US, what's happening on the left. Tell us your story. Well, before that, can we just have a gentleman's agreement that this should be fun? Because I know we have to get the clips. That's why you make sure fun happens that you have an example. No, it's just I often don't do sit-down interviews because you know, clip culture has ruined everything. So let's just get out of the way, like, Jews, blacks, which camera should I look to? Was it that one? That one. Jews, banks, blacks, trans and kids, you guys, got anything else. That will do. Mexicans, right. And now we can have a thing of them. I just like all of them. Let's just say that so we can actually have a conversation. Because that's the big thing. That was the veneer of a conversation. And you can feel people like-- and it's like the old improv. Yes, and they're waiting for you to salute like I don't-- Oh, there it is. So, but yes, thank you for having me. And it's not like I was avoiding you guys. You guys picked the worst cities. Yeah, we do. We've come to the States. It's like New York, LA, Austin. It's like you just get like a bumpiss map. It's the worst. If I were to think that America is this way, like, that was my perception. I'd be like, this is a horrible place. Well, actually, we've had the chance to go out of the big cities a couple of times. So we were just in rural Michigan. I've been to Colorado, Utah. So I've seen a little bit more of it. And that's always cool, because you kind of go, oh, I thought I understood American, actually. I don't know shit. Where in Michigan did you get up North, like Trevor City area? Well, we were in Hillsdale. OK, Hillsdale College. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We drove past the data center that was being built. Oh, that's always fun. And the guy was like, I don't know how many jobs they're going to create, but there's going to be a lot of security jobs. Yeah, exactly right. Well, there'll be a lot of jobs for a short amount of time, and then it'll be self-managing. So that's always good. Yeah, well, it's in a spare of keeping things fun. And we're going to lose that job. Yeah, let's talk about data center. Anyway, tell us your story. How did you get here? Well, the driver on the way here was Brazilian. In-- do you mean-- I meant life story. And my arms are tired. Yeah, no, I was so born in Detroit, which should be annexed, and then raised in Montreal, Canada. So my mom's French Canadian. My dad's American. And I was raised there from three till I left for-- I was just doing stand-up about 17 or 18. I think about 18. And yeah, raised in a lap of socialism. We'll get people who are mad about it. It is effectively socialism in Quebec. And it's very different from the rest of Canada. And yeah, all my former years, that's really what's different, I would say, between my background and my approach, is-- so I appeared on Fox News. I was 21 years old. And I never wanted to say, youngest contributor. I'm like, let's not say that. Because sooner or later, I'm not going to be that. And I didn't really like to operate off of gimmickry. But they didn't know what they wanted to do with me. They just put me on a debate panel with Alan Combs or Alicia Menendez. Her dad was a senator, stocking gold bars and his ceiling, and now he's in an orange jumpsuit. And I did OK with a debate, but it wasn't my thing. And when I showed up, I didn't know who Sean Hannity was. I don't know any, because I grew up in Canada where we didn't really have AM radio. Occasionally, we could pirate something like we get Rush Limbaugh from Platsburg, New York. And so the people I grew up watching-- David Letterman. I can tell you the day I wanted to do stand-up. I was at the Just For Last Festival. I watched "Normic Donald" in 1994, I believe, do a bit. And since you've done stand-up, I'm sure you have festivals like when they broadcast that they have seat fillers, which is people, they might not show up like, and they might have corporate seats. So for the cameras, they don't want it to be empty. They go, you go out to B7B4. So I got to sit at the World's biggest comedy festival and watch the greatest comedians really on the planet. So it was five to 10 comics every night, hosted by a big name. One night would be Jay Seinfeld. One of my favorites was Dave Maddena. Then it was Michael Richards. He didn't yell about hanging in words in a tree when I was there. And I watched "Normic Donald" and his joke was so different, and the pacing was so different that it just left the mark. I said, OK, I guess I want to do that. And I was never really aware of the fact that I was super conservative until my drama teacher accused me of being a right-wing zealot when I was 12. I asked my dad what that meant, and he said, who told you that? I was like, my drama teacher's like, who is a bitch? And he explained it to me, and I went back and told it. So that's what I am, right-wing. I was raised in a Christian household, but the conversation just took place around the dinner table. And then I would be canceled from college gigs, just because I would have bits that might be what people would consider politically incorrect or today. Anti-woke, jokes about Islam, jokes about-- and it was clean, too. It was not like it was blue, jokes about feminism, whatever it is. So I'm talking about when I'm 16, 17, 18. And it was a pretty rude awakening. And then I came full circle. I started acting first. The first thing I ever did was a show Arthur on PBS, Little Art Vark, you know that show. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, he is pet dog and a sister. And I was the brain, the bear. He was very out of care. That's why it's acting. That man can't play Batman. He has to play sea editions for Superman. He's like otherwise it's not acting. So yeah, I then full circle to stand up. And boy, I was dropped by my manager, dropped by an agent early on, because the John Stewart show, Daily Show, this was a real moment for me. They reached out to my manager. It's like, hey, do you have anyone like this guy? Like Stephen Crowder, like, you know, kind of young, you know, edgy, but we don't do conservative. And then I heard him go out public and say, we just chased the funny. And I was like, well, no, you don't. So yeah, I just, I kind of threw up my flag and the allies found me. And it took me into this milieu. But this is not what I ever intended to do. And here we are, here I'm talking with an ex Russian, ex pet Russian, I guess. And you say Venezuela, but let's be honest. I mean, I know you are, but are there that many white people in Venezuela? Is it like? Listen, my dad's RS King came along and bleached everything. Is that? So, you know, it's like there is a Brazil where you're like, what's 75% Italian? Are the Mussolini people fleeing? Well, I'm officially English now, those are the rules. Are you? No, as far as I'm concerned, though. Well, that's tough, though, because like you say Russian, people look at you like you could be in one of those, you know, sar castles or you could be yelling a la huac bar on a plane. That's right. People would buy it. More likely the latter, I think. Yeah, yeah. You're generically ethnic, like Abercrombie. Also temperamentally, I'm more like that. Are you? Yeah, yeah. Blow and shut up. Plus if he hasn't eaten, that's when he gets a bit, you know? Yeah. He gets a bit passionate. All right. So let's talk about what's happening in America. One of the things that is interesting to us is just being outside observers looking in. I remember being here in Austin two years ago. Gross. I can't, I cannot disagree with that. But it was an exciting time for a lot of people, especially people on the right, because it was quite clear. Trump was about to win and not clear what the scale of the win would be. And we were flying to LA the day of the election. So we didn't know, and everybody in Austin was like, Oh, you're going to LA. It's going to be right. It's going to be all your flying right into the heat of it. And we got there, Trump won, and he won literally everything. Yeah. The publicans won. The House, the center, the popular vote, the electoral college, the presidency, obviously. And there were no rights, because it's sort of just, it was so overwhelming. And I remember we sat down with Rob Schneider, and he was so happy. Yeah. This time of, like, wokeness is over, Ukraine is going to get finished. No more foreign wars. You know, the rights going to be united. We're going to deal with this. We're going to deal with that. And it's been less than two years. Yeah. What happened? Well, that's a lot, but enough about politics in general, let's go back to me. No, I remember that that election night. And I will tell you, the reason that it was so important to me. So we covered the election in 2020. And we covered 2016. Then it was the biggest election stream in 2020. And I don't know if you ever have those moments where you go, there's nothing I could do about it. And that was wrong. And it was 2020 when they called Arizona with, you know, like, 0.4% of the vote. This is hyperbole, by the way. But it was just far too little. And I remember going, wow, that can't be right as far as calling it. I wasn't contesting the result right away, and there's nothing I can do about it. So that's why we made sure going into the next election. Before that, it was sort of like you're a podcast and you're a companion, you know, podcast. to like Joe Rogan would do fight companions because it's a pay-per-view. We paid for all the same newswires that, you know, Reuters AP they have. And then we also brought on some data analysts so we were actually able to have more granularity. And we were the first place on earth to call Georgia in Pennsylvania. And I believe we were within like a minute of the election. And that's because I never wanted to sit there and feel so powerless where I felt like I was still kind of at the mercy of legacy media. And we already knew that they weren't honest. And of course, I'd gone through, you know, the demonetization, which we can talk about the boxed apocalypse, all of this. So like, cancel, before cancel culture was coined, I was canceled. Now being demonetized for saying nothing worse than Lisby Sprite versus, you know, the beat cop showing up at your door in the UK, I mean, I'll take the pay cut. But it's still a symptom of the same problem. So that election happens. And I will say, look, nobody's perfect. And there have been some disappointments from this administration. Yep, got it. But he has done more than any president ever, not just in our lifetime, for example, on immigration. That was the primary issue for people. He has done more socially and culturally, as far as when people talk about cancel culture, I mean, we had videos that were literally banned from YouTube. There are only two genders, things like that. So, and it's really tough for me to look at a guy where he would be in jail. He would have been a lulid and go like, ah, he did this wrong. I'm disappointed with this, let alone, I mean, I don't want to spend a whole bunch of time on the Iran war because it'll just get everyone mad. But he said no new wars, sure. But we actually seldom have a record. I can't think of any a track record as long as Donald Trump's honor ran because he was a public figure before it was president. And you can go back to the 80s with him saying, I'll loop them. They're like, well, he's like, we got to do away with the red. I'm just saying, they're the, they're the shittials we have to deal with. And then asking him again in '87 and in '92 and then tweeting about it before it was X while Barack Obama was president. So, he's been very, very clear his stance on that. Now, I think that it's been carried out pretty badly as far as communication. I said, give it three months, well, the three months are up, not a big fan of how it's been conducted. But I also understand the reasoning behind it. I don't think that it's a closed-handed issue. Certainly, not this idea that Iran has no threat. There's a reason that everyone there doesn't want them to proliferate nuclearly. Nuclearly, can you say nuclearly? We just did a bunch of George Bush impressions and he's sitting there nuclear. So, it's hard for me to go, yeah, let me throw the baby out with a bath water because of something that he's been clear about. People may not agree with him on it, but it's not betrayal. Oh, no, I wasn't, I mean, getting you to slam Trump is not really what this is about. What I was actually much more interested in. But there are people doing it on that going, well, he promised no new wars. It's like, well, you could also argue he's trying to put an end to a war because he's saying people will go, Iran isn't killed a single American. You dumb piece of shit, of course they have. Doesn't justify it. There are plenty of countries that, by the way, kill Americans. It happens all the time when you look at American bases, you look at obviously things that happen covertly. But this idea that he said he was never going to, he was never going to interfere with Iran, that's not true. That they haven't killed any Americans. That's not true. So I think the through line that's really important. And a lot of people have lost the plot is, I'm right wing, just to be clear. I would actually be further, no, but I would be further right wing than even people like Tucker, Nick Fuentes. If you were to put me on a scale, you would say I'm further right wing. So I, and I don't shy back from that. Well, the right wing, the Nick Fuentes, well, I won't go Democrat. So that's one qualifier. I, I know. Okay. I have. I just made a game. Joe, that's live. Well, I'm going to show on any, and by the way, a two really good debates. But I'm very, very far right wing. Okay. And I'm a Christian conservative. I'm a nationalist. Okay. Fine. All of that. But the basis can't be feelings. It can't be political correctness. It can't be a wish list. It has to be true. And so sometimes people will say that I'm a demagogue or that while you're being divisive, it's not left versus right man. This is actually what I believe. The right, and certainly the Republican Party, they're wrong about some things. Quite a few things, certainly their prescriptions. The left, as it exists today, in my opinion, is wrong prescriptively about everything. About everything. There is no prescription from the left that I can hear. Well, there's any validity. And people go, what about the war on drugs? I got just off. He wants to, what, a bunch of black tarher went fine. But even that's not a left-right issue. Aside from that, what? Education, two to three trillion dollars public education. The truth is it sucks. A border policy, immigration, 10 to 20 million illegals. Let's, I'm just giving you a brick. General broad strokes number under Biden. Well, it sucks. They cost 150 to 450 billion dollars a year to the taxpayer. That's the truth. It sucks. Okay, abortion. Well, the truth is scientifically, biologically, that's a life. Okay, that's the truth. We can develop our prescription off of that. Free speech. The left doesn't believe it. They'll say they do. They don't. They say, oh, I didn't leave the left. They left, they left me. It's such bullshit. It's such a cop out. They've always been anti-free speech. What else can we look at? Changing your gender. You can't change your gender. Wait, that one isn't true. It is. No, it's not. It absolutely is. So the comedians that I used to really enjoy, people like George Carlin and Bill Hicks, they were the ones who were being arrested and criticized by the conservative side of the religious conservatives. I'm not super interested in having this debate particularly, but it's just that bit, isn't true. Bill Hicks aimed at both sides of, by the way. He wasn't, he wasn't just a leftist behavior. Bill Hicks last monologue on Letterman was not released or published because of backlash from Christian conservatives, because he had gay jokes that sort of sounded like he approved of it. Yeah, but then you also had Sam Kinnison, who, by the way, like people embraced him and he yelled that there were no straight people with AIDS and through it. There was a time, there was a time when the left believed in free speech, and then they stopped. Is my argument. But anyway, politically, no. But as far as individual comedians, sure. But the censorship as a movement, silencing voices. Now, here's the thing. And I can, I can give you some personal examples. You can go into a comedy club. This has always been the case. When I was coming up, there was no Joe Rogan. There was no sort of alternative. I was, I was seen as a gimmick. They would say conservative comedian. You could go up and talk about, you know, being spit roasted at a truck stop and orgy. But if you went up and made a joke about feminists or about Muhammad, you could hear the stinker's pucker. So it's not about vulgar, they're fine with vulgar, but they're not, but they're not, but they're certainly talking a lot. When you were talking earlier about blue comedy, I was like, they don't give shit about that. They don't care how offensive it is. It's more about people's political is you moved on to the left, which is cool. Well, no, no, I want to go, but I'm just saying this is why I am right wing. The other thing you can't change your by out. So the truth needs to be the through line. And then if you look at the right, you go, okay. So why is it fractured? Is it based on something truthful? That's not what I see. It's not when I see people go and Donald Trump hasn't done anything on immigration. No, that's not true. Yeah. And by the way, he hasn't, and we actually warned against this early on where we said, hey, there are people out there trying to tell you that Obama actually deported more people. That's not true, okay, because turnaways were counted differently. And don't feed into this because they're going to try and use this talking point against you. We warned about it. And then sure enough, these people on the whatever Marxist right go, they actually Obama deported more. That's not true. There have been more deportations than any recent administration, not only that legal immigration, H1B. So I mean, no one has pulled more levers in this guy. And by the way, he's been blocked by the courts. And if you don't have borders, if you simply welcome a giant wave of third world immigration and you grant them citizenship, which is what the left wants to do, they want to do away with the electoral college, guess what you no longer have a country. 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Like what's going on? That's that that was kind of the angle of my question. Well, I mean, the only consistent through on that you mentioned Tucker, which Tucker? Talk about CNN exclusively only wearing a bow tie every time you've seen in public Tucker or the one who's dressing the way that he thinks a fly fisherman should dress like. Right. I mean, are you talking about libertarian legalized black tar heroin actually Tucker and Warren drugs, but support the Warner Rack or I was wrong. about that, the one who all but kind of endorsed El Sayed, but not really, which by the way, to say that El Sayed is no worse than Rogers, is to say there's no bridge too far for today's left. So I don't really know that that's coming from conservatives. And here's the other thing. I didn't see these same people out there fighting as hard in the mechanism, the process that we had to ensure some accountability to primaries. I saw them, it's very easy to go, they suck, they suck, they suck, and sit it out. Well, we've run the numbers too on this, and this is what's dangerous about it. If, let's say God forbid, the left flips the Senate, you know, if that were to happen, and they have both chambers, right, so Republican president, and you could swap them Democrat president and Republican swap both, is an 80% chance that Democrats would win in 2028. Here's the other thing. The person who would be run against Democrats is not going to be the Trump that you never got. It's going to be a Rom near McCain, historically, with effectively little to no exceptions. So people sitting out in protest, you have to ask yourself, who are you handing it to? Why is there the fracturing? The only consistency that I see is that the people who doing the fracturing have been remarkably inconsistent. All of them. They made any of them. They either appeared very recently, or they were lifelong liberals, or libertarians, who switched to Maga, who switched back. And a valid criticism that I would say to the Trump administration is, you know, they really did buy into it as far as the shows where they would appear. It was basically who kisses asked them out. So you never appeared on my show, and that's okay, as every right to. I even went to the ballroom, because I wasn't there with an Epstein binder, but I was supportive of him and critical of him all the way through the same way now, whereas these people were sick of fans. He could do no wrong, and now he could do no right. That to me, it's hard to see that as truthful. So you don't think it's ideological. You just think this is people flip-flopping for because they never had a consistent position? They haven't had a consistent position. I don't want to attribute mode of I'm just saying that's the only, I try to look for patterns in the pattern that I see is the biggest people, the tip of the spear there, are people who have been very inconsistent in their views. We have been consistently critical on Donald Trump, where warranted, and supportive. And by the way, the tough thing to now is, you know, people just say stuff that isn't true. Right? That's the clip culture. I mean, even it says, well, you guys got a lot of great qualities, and I like you very, very much. But you'll have people spew bullshit here, and I know you don't have time to fact check. Well, we can't, we can't challenge everything. No, of course not. Right? Dave Smith was here. By the way, he was on my show. He's a very nice guy. I mean, the best thing you can say about Dave Smith is like, he's there. He's there. That's Dave Smith. He's there. And he said to you guys that I was a never-trunker like twice, and I was like, what cosmic bunny hole did I fall into? And it's just, I don't know if it's because he's misinformed, stupid. But it's really hard for you guys to fact check that because why would someone lie about that? Why would someone get it wrong? Say it twice. And then these people in New Media now, and I'm the person who obviously use New Media to circumvent legacy media, they don't correct it. You know, like you could tell. You could be like, well, they've hauled us like, no, it's never a, it's never a, it's never a, you mean it because in the primary where I didn't support him because in the primary he was the only one with a lifelong Democrat and I said, we don't need to take this risk. And after that, I've been incredibly supportive. And he's like, if you'd have correct them with a lot of these people, it's like rubbing a dog's face in their mess and they think it's a treat. Like they don't get it. They don't get, you can't just go out and say shit. And that's also why we have a practice where we provide a reference for every single claim that we make. Even though we do silly childish poll crap and jokes and sketches, and actually make it a comedy show, if I make a definitive claim, I want people to be able to fact check me. And I notice other people deliberately evading that. And that's always very concerning. Like we said, clip culture. A clip. Okay. You got it. But what's the truth? I think it's going to be the future of mega, Steven, because it's really difficult to see where they go from here, post Trump. I mean, is it? I mean, if we're talking like the guy in 2028, it's still going to be the conservative movement. It's still going to be a nationally focused movement. I still see the tenets being the same, right, as far as strong borders, as far as dealing with immigration. I think now, if anything, you're seeing more of a social component to it because people realize that, you know, you can't fill the void of God that you once had with nothing. I mean, I think you guys see that in the UK, whether you're Christians or not, it's like, if you kill God, you don't end up with not God, you just end up with, you know, something else wearing God's robe, whether it's Islam, whether it's secular humanism, whether it's environmentalism. These are all forms of religion, if you look at the way that they're practiced. So I don't see the movement changing really very much. What I see it is the candidate best matching up to the conservative America first, Maga movement and not the other way around. Because Trump, in many ways, was kind of innovative for the Republican Party. For instance, things like tariffs, that isn't really a free market policy. So I take your point, but he also, what he did was innovative. I'll go back to that word because it was broadly right winged, but it was taking policies from the left as well. No, he's cool. Something that had been practiced by previous presidents a long time ago, to be fair. Well, that's when people say, what have you changed your mind on? And the truth is I'm probably more racist. And by that, I mean, the left's definition. I don't think that everyone can be an American. I don't think that all cultures are equally compatible. And the other thing is definitely trade because, you know, I was raised in that sort of libertarian era where I thought, all right, yeah, trade is a great thing because, okay, it raises all boats. Great. And then I realized it wasn't fair. Then I realized that the tariffs were being put on us in other countries and it was really the take advantage of the United States club. I mean, if you look at the, when people talk about Canada and the tariffs, you know, my silly, I mean, I've renounced my citizenship on the show. I don't know how I do it officially, but it's such a silly, unserious country and a potential national security threat. We should invade them. But I'm not joking. I absolutely think we should just seize complete control of their border because if you close up the border to the South and Canada does nothing, guess what? You still have a problem. So if you look at, you're like, well, wait a second. These were retaliatory tariffs because you had tariffs depending on the tier up to in the hundreds of percentages against American, dairy, beef, steel, whatever it is, lumber. Why? Well, because if they didn't do that, they would have no industry and they'd be importing from the United States. So that's when I've changed my mind where I don't believe in economic protectionism, but I do believe in equalizing the playing field. I would say that's maybe not the closed-handed issue. The closed-handed issue, I think that Donald Trump has really changed or made a closed-handed issue, is immigration. I think people became very aware of the problem and that's why the left had to accelerate it. And then I think something that's really important, he's been a lightning rod and highlighting the media bias in highlighting the culture of compelled language in a way that no other candidate would or could. That's something that I think has changed quite a bit. And I think that will be continued and carried over and expected of whoever the next candidate is because everything is downstream from culture. That's what when people say, people will go, "Oh, these people want you distracted with culture awards." Well, what brought Jordan Peterson into the fold and he wouldn't identify as conservative was compelled language, C-16. If you tell people, "Hey, you have to use these pronouns. You have to now agree with this gender ideology." They don't want to have a conversation to the left. They want to own the dictionary. And they want to put you in jail if you don't follow it. And they were on their way. So I don't see those as minor cultural issues. I see those as far more forming of the society we live in than tariffs. But both are important. One is closed-handed. And I was watching your content and I advised people to go and watch it. It's really great, really engaging, really funny. And you had a video which is woke 2.0 is going to be worse than the original woke. Yeah. I mean, the original woke, excuse my language, it was fucking horrific. Yeah. How can it, I mean, there was a point when people forget this, where all you had to say is men can't be women, your Twitter account was done, my friend. It was over. It was gone. Yeah. How can woke 2.0 be worse than that? Well, how can people say that the left and the right are both the same? When again, could we do we agree that woke 1.0 was coming from one side exclusively? Yes. Litically? Okay. Yeah, people are not going. It's the same. Oh, who really cares? Donald Trump says there's only two genders? Well, what that does is it makes the conversation acceptable because I was being banned from campus and demonetized on YouTube. I mean, you talk about one woke 1.0. I was watching a hearing in Senator Harono. I think, man, Stephen Carter committed hates which I'm like, what the fuck talk about surreal where I'm sitting there like, and Susan Wadescki was at the recode conference saying, well, he didn't violate our policies. He actually didn't. He didn't violate our policies. He didn't violate community guidelines. So they demonetized me. I was like, okay, that sucks. I've had, when people misuse the term panic attacks, I hate it because I've had to maybe three in my life, but I remember exactly where I was. So, and one of them was when YouTube was calling with this boxed apocalypse. I mean, their stock took a nose dive and they demonetized a bunch of history channels because of yours truly. Sorry about that. And they called and they were reading off a script, like, and after our internal review and the room started spinning because at this point, I didn't really have any other primary form of income and I'm going, oh, no, they're going to ban me. So I won't be able to reach out to people to build my business and I laid back on the bed and they said, and that's why we've decided to demonetize you and I was like, oh, you're bullshit. That's it. Okay, thanks. Just a few million dollars a year gone. But then it wasn't enough so they demanded the borderline content rule, the rule that, you know, we deal with now this very opaque that is known sometimes in the industry as the crowded rule. It didn't exist before this because I needed to appease the leftist mob more. He had senators and you have legislators saying, well, it's not enough to demonetize and monetize him. - I'm quite proud of it being left to hit. - You are, look at you. - Yeah, if my life is gorgeous, I mean, destroy it, I want my name on a plaque. - Yeah, it's like, hey, come on. - Yeah, it's like you get a disease named after you. - Right, it's like Bruce Wayne with the orphanage. He said, "My name better be on the orphanage." So, I don't know if he said that, but it would be funny if Batman was egotistical. - I mean, he was egotistical. - We were a little bit, yeah. We were talking about him doing stand-up, "Why aren't you laughing, it's just funny." - Second, we're going to the next one, master Wayne. So, yeah, what happened with, I don't know why my cook came to the audience, get off it, they don't like the right shook human. (laughing) - Don't you try any stuff, don't you work? - It was here one of your gig statements. - Well, yeah, I'm like, okay. What do you say you can't hear laughter anymore? - I mean, I don't know. I'm not excited to know what this voice is. So, yeah, this was really, really bad. Woke 2.0, let me explain it to you this way, 'cause people don't appreciate how bad it was. If you have children, and let's say you tell your child to not do something, I don't know. Don't take cookies, but I'm not there. But the kid is determined to do it. You catch him, getting on the counter, and reaching in. Okay, he now knows that he's going to be caught that way, or she is going to find a way around it. So, he now has set into his programming, all right. I now know how to evade the obvious point of detection. So, I've got to take another one. It's going to be more subversive. They're not going to say, hey, you have to, it's hate speech if you don't use these genders. They're going to change it. They're going to say, yeah, we thought me too was too much. For example, look at that, Cornell 7. And we had on the show, I guess now it's Cornell 8. I guess? - Is it what happened? I haven't followed that before. - Well, we did a bit where we had the Cornell 8 on the show in a Letterman's jacket, and he had eight on a shirt, and he was like, I just watched, I set there and watched, and then watched "Storage Wars" and went to bed. And now, I guess there are eight, but look at how they handled that, right? Because me too was rejected. Obviously, rape is bad. I mean, I don't want to speak for you. I think we can create that rape is bad. But then you had people, even people I despise, like as he's on, sorry, he is a woke leftist himself. He had a bad date. Okay, you went to a guy's apartment at 2 a.m. Drink, white, wine, and you're surprised that a short Indian man is perhaps not the most tactful lover. That's not rape. So they go now, they go, well, obviously me too was bad. They go, but this woman was gang banged against her will, and she passed out. In other words, they know that you're going to say, hold on a second, hold on a second, like we did used to have the conversation about consent, and they go, we know that people care about consent. So now we're going to change the definition of consent. This person did consent. This person was conscious. This person did try and follow up and have more dates with him, and she was regretful after the fact. It doesn't matter. They've changed it now to say, no, no, no, no, no. You can remove, and don't you know this? You can even consent and reiterate the next day and the day after and two weeks after because that's a trauma response. So the conversation used to be, well, she did consent, and they would say, well, you can retroactively remove consent. We rejected it, well, no, you can't. Well, now they go, well, actually, it's not real consent, it's a trauma response. See, so they bake it into the woke 2.0 to sell it to you, to sell it to unsuspecting robes as a new bill of goods. And my concern is that that intersects with people saying, there's no difference between the right and the left. I mean, I was shocked to see how many people who were on the right, especially these women, with Lindsey Clancy blaming pharmaceutical companies. I was shocked to see how many people were saying, this is just all disgusting, the Cornell 7. Yeah, look, I get it. And Orgy may not be your thing. It's not my thing either. Call me Mr. Traditional, but it was their thing. What a prude. Well, I have known to be prude. It's like, I drug-aligned it. The gangbaths were six. I call that the Grace Gang banger, like the express aisle. But it's baked into it. They now know how to sell it, what didn't work. To expect anything else is to believe that the left is willing to actually correct the past and say, you know what, we went too far. And maybe we should stop pushing this agenda. They can't. Well, what I find interesting about AOC saying woke 1.0 when it was crazy is that implies there is a woke 2.0 coming, which is by the logical. Yeah. So what is woke 2.0? That's what it is. It's packaging it in a way that doesn't look woke. But see, we just interviewed David Pakman, right? Who is a left-wing progressive YouTube commentator. And the moment we brought up Trans, it was like, Trans had never happened. He basically just went, I always thought we just gave that issue too much. You know, it's up to individual sports. Oh, bullshit. Well, I didn't say it quite like that. But I like to believe him. No. All right. No. Let me just say that next time, don't bullshit. Well, see, for me, whenever we have people on, we like to let them express their point of view. And with him, it's useful for people to see that. And I thought he actually made a lot of good points on other things. But this idea that Trans was like not a big deal. I mean, it was ran down everybody's fucking throats for years at a time. And you had to, it's almost like, you know, if you weren't Trans yourself, you were violating some sort of requirement. That's how much it went through. But now they're all kind of pulling back. So I'm not sure you're going to bring that one back. I mean, that one was clearly deeply on what you think Trans is coming back. Yes. I don't think everyone anymore. No man, no biological, no cocks in women's sports. I know. No, no, no, they will do what David did, which is they'll say, oh, this was never. Yeah, Gavin Newsom did that with Charlie Kirk, which by the way, I was critical of Charlie when that happened. And I said, why don't you push back? Gavin Newsom was like, well, of course, you know, I've never been for that. Yes, he was. He absolutely was. He was. So let us say that they weren't. That's what I'm saying. Well, no, no, we're not knocking about this extremism. They are. It's the same thing when they say, well, abortion, no, we're not zealots. You can't name me. And people get mad, but I say this. They go, it's not left versus right, man, it is. It's not only left versus right, but that is the primary delineation in world views. And it is the most effective one. I am not going to disagree with any other group more consistently than the left, including, by the way, billionaires, elites, Jews, accountants. If you say the left, I go, OK, I'm going to disagree with them on more things than any other group of people. If you look at the trans issue, you're just talking about-- we were talking about Gavin Newsom, right? And then what was the question? You said something about the Pac-Man guy, the-- Well, I just said, we put the trans issue to him. And he was like, oh, I never thought that was important. We talked about it a lot too much. That's what they'll say. But then when you have two people with-- if not two dicks in large love nub at the Olympics, boxing for the final medal, we have no one I'm saying. They'll still defend it. They still always defend it. And going to the abortion issue, they go, we're not zealots. You can't find one person on the left on the DNC national platform who will put any limitation whatsoever on abortion. Whatsoever? All the way up to birth. And then, of course, you had governors and senators. And people went asked, even asked, would you support, for example, some kind of bill for infants born alive? I won't give any comment on that. I'm actually at the point where I believe that what people would view as the radical right wing view is more reasonable than the moderate left view. Because people say, we're talking about the Democrats, not the woke left. OK, name me one person on that platform. One person who ran for president in the last cycle who had a reasonable approach to trans issues. I didn't believe in trans and kids who didn't believe in men and women's sports. Name me one. Last time. I don't know much about this. So this is just off the top. I imagine, in the previous cycle, you would have had Tulsi and Andrew Yanke, who we've just had on. I don't imagine they would have been for-- I don't know, a while ago, Tulsi. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And she's obviously been drummed out of the core, like Tulsi Gabbard. So no, I mean, OK, Kamel Harris, yep, Biden, yep, Elizabeth Warren, yep, Bernie, yep, Gabin Newsom, yep, right now, Taloriko, AOC, yep, El Sayed. I mean, aside from evading the Muslim brotherhood question, we don't really know everything about his views. So yeah, it's still what they believe. It's just they are going to attempt to repackage it. They don't move back. They don't want to imagine how they'll bring back trends. That's going to be a-- Kamel Blank, which-- Tell me more. They don't go, hey, we want biological men in women's sports. They're not going to say that, right? Because people go, what? Get out of here. These are the same people used to have the sign that said, Nova Jaina, no opinion, and now it reads like, or whatever is the identity. So they're not going to say that, but they're going to say, well, yeah, but you know what? It's not right to-- it's hate speech to not use these pronouns. It's violating rights of the children. It's basically they don't believe in parental rights, but violating your parental responsibilities and not listening to you. That's what you hear them saying now, that they want a transition. It'll be compelled language like you saw in Canada or you see in Europe. They say you're free to speak unless you step on the landmines that they have laid down for you, in which case you can be arrested, you can be fined, you can be deplatformed. If they came out and said, we were wrong about that. But not only do they not do that, I saw the Democratic Socialist, Bernie Sanders, praising Lula. What are we doing here? What do they mean? That was the thing, right? It's just, oh, well, the qualifier is Democratic Socialism. We doesn't believe in that. He doesn't believe in that. He doesn't believe that Lula is anything other than a corrupt politician. It's a means to an end. That is who they are at their core. Now it doesn't mean everyone who votes Democrat. I'm talking about those in charge of the party. If they can compel language, they will. If they can take away your guns, they will. If they can de-platform you, they will. Why? Because they try. And the only thing that stopped them was alternative media, shining a light on information, right? The CNNs, the places don't have a stranglehold, and the Trump administration stepping in. It's no small thing. I truly believe it'll just be more subversive. They'll try and be subtle in the packaging. It's the exact same agenda. Don't data for a second. 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I thought you were going to say Ecuador. Yeah, Ecuador. Yeah, well, let's talk about Ecuador. No, economic populism. Is mothers from Venezuela, I don't think? Yeah, we haven't mentioned it yet. You can all drink or watch it. Does she hate Ecuadorians? Who do the Venezuelans? Well, my mom hates everybody. Yeah. You know, that's South American people hate each other. I know. White people are the least racist people on the planet. My lady is. She's like Brazilian, but was also raised by a Cuban, and like, she's racist to every other Hispanic group. Yeah, and they deserve it, especially the Argentines. Yeah, they're the worst. Well, they all hate them because they're basically white. Yeah, exactly. So I think there's a little bit of jealousy. Not that white is superior, just that they're jealous. And then I also know that Chileans and Peruvians would like murder every last one of the other. Yeah, they would do. That's why we behave with each other. It's all Viva la Revolución. Yeah, it really is. Yeah. It's like your choice is Communist guerrillas, or a strong man dictator. Yeah. And then you're like, all right, we're going to take our chances with this, do it a couple of decades and swing back. Yeah. And that's basically what we do. It's a beautiful model. It is. Right, but the background is economics. But yeah, so economic populism, you ever growing disparity between rich and poor, and what you have are the Mondani's or the world going, right, what we need is socialism. Yeah. That seems to me the real battleground, as for the next five and ten years. Not only in the US, but also in the UK as well. Yeah, you guys pretty much already have it though. So what do you mean? Is there someone, is there a Bernie there promising more socialist? Well, actually, yes. Yeah. Okay. You can always do more. Yeah. We've got an Islamist party. It's very exciting. Is it an actual party? They don't call it that, obviously. Well, they will soon. Don't worry about it. But actually on the economic thing, so as we're recording this, we've just had the budget, not this, this won't be super interesting to Americans, other than the minimum wage is now half of the threshold for paying the top rate of tax. Okay. So 27,000 a year is what the minimum wage is and at 50 something you start paying the top rate of tax. Yeah. That's what the top marginal tax rate there, because in Quebec, the top marginal tax rate is like, it's over 50%. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it depends how far you go. So once you hit a hundred grand, they actually start taking shit away from you to the point where it actually doesn't make sense for you to earn the next 25 grand. So if you're on a hundred grand, you're better off not earning the next 26 grand a year, because you get punished so hard, they take everything away from you. So we already have that. I mean, that is socialism, but anyway, with economic populism in America, what Francis is saying is that rather than woke seems to have been the winning model for Democrats. Well, yeah, because they're taking that from Donald Trump and from the Maga movement, but the Maga movement wasn't socialism, the Maga movement was, hey, look, you can keep more of your money, and we will, the one thing I think that people don't appreciate about the United States, what we're talking about this, because it matters as it refers to populism, it's going to be very different from the United States than anywhere else in the world, in that you can have in this country a free market economy based populist movement. I mean, you can have a criticism of the current government because you're talking about trillions just an interest on debt, right? And a lot of it spent most of it on entitlements, or I would say the biggest percentage on entitlements, and of course foreign entitlements, that's a component of it, where you can say, hey, everything is too expensive, and we want the government to stop doing this, to stop spending all of this. I don't want to be paying all of this in taxes, and when I go to the gas pump, so that a baby mama with five kids, you know, can be on welfare and chronically poor and collect phanta on snap, that can be a populist message in the right here in this country. And it can't be, for example, in Brazil because we have class mobility here in a way that you don't anywhere else. That's one thing that I think having, you explain that a little bit more? So what I mean by that, I mean, I think the stat, I'm going by road, and I know you guys have the fact check, come on. We can, no, we can do it better. If you make the claim, we'll fact check of the fact say I, and then it's not, it's not. Wonderful. We got Stephen, it's more like his name. Is there a discount on that? Absolutely. Absolutely. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Venice say I, makes a boy grow strong. That's a great ad. What's the claim? Well, I think the number is something like 70% of Americans will find themselves in the top 20% of earners at some point in their lifetime. And your claim is that significantly different from other countries? Yes. Okay. Really? Will you check that? There is more class mobility in the United States. And there's more hope in the United States. That message from the left is true. Oh, what? So you think you're going to get the, the Lambo, you know, whatever they try and point to a character like Andrew Tate, like riding to Ferraris like skis. It's like, no, no, Americans do believe that they could have a good idea, create a business and get ahead and support their family. Americans do believe that because it's also very possible. Well, it's true in America. And people have many, many examples. It's tougher to use Brazil as an example because I was just at the center of an international incident with Brazil. And my, my woman is Brazilian, which is funny. I was going to change my mind and a lady got mad. She's like, you're woman. I can't believe, and I came home and she was like, just ready to go. They love being, they love you being slightly possessed, let's you know, just let you know. And my woman is, that's why France is in touch, you know, as opposed to the Asians, they just love to be cold and calculated and, you know, but you give them children. I will say though, so in Brazil though, you go to make your point, Billy, did you look it up? What's the point? 70 percent of that is the point themselves and the top times. At some point in life, I think it's 70 percent of it. There's a percentage of American earners who will find themselves. I think it's 70 percent in the top 20 percent. You might have it. Lane, is that the number? Yeah. Look, I got my own Venice. It's Lincoln. Everybody's using your name. You're not ready for surgery yet, Venice. But yeah, so the point is, if you were to go to a Brazilian shopkeeper and say like, hey, you know, Bolsonaro, more right wing, and by the way, I understand that all parties are corrupt in South America. You know, you're going to fail, you know, they go, okay, so for Chuju, I'm going to make more money. You're like, you may not. You may not make more money in Brazil. And the truth is, it's far less likely in Brazil, because if you were born in the bottom 10 percent, the odds are you'll die in the bottom 10 percent, certainly in a place like India, of course, and it has a caste system. But what you can tell those people is you at least will be saved of the indignities of having to put up a sign, workers, unite, or be well, a revolution, you know, it's like the lambs blood so that the revolutionaries pass over your shop. In other words, you won't have to appease the mob and live in fear. We can put an infrastructure and a law on order, but you can't really promise them prosperity, the same way that you can, the opportunity of prosperity. So you can have a populist movement on the right in the United States that isn't socialism. I don't know that that's the case in many other countries because people don't experience the class mobility and believe in it. And unfortunately, that's been warped to, hey, well, why are there people who are so rich and I'm not? Well, that was never a right wing ideal. I mean, if I double the income right now of every single person in the United States, there will be more wealth inequality, but you will be far richer. Would you take that deal? Most people, yes. My primary problem is poverty. And then if the wealth is ill-gotten gain, like when you, and you see that as a result of socialism, look at COVID, that was one of the greatest wealth transfers in modern history. I could, in Michigan, you were just there, couldn't go to a local farmers market, but I could go to Costco. I couldn't go out on my own boat in the lake, but I could go to a weed shop, make that make sense. And so was transfer to the Bezos of the world, to the Zuckerbergs of the world. And whenever you look at social and you invariably see people at the top, look at Cuba, look at Brazil. These people have hung. But I, so I think there's two different forms of populism in the United States. And Donald Trump wasn't just promising free stuff. Now, he kind of tried that in the last election, like $5,000 if you vote for me, ooh, that's a lot of cheddar. You're like, come on, man. Like this is, this is pandery. But yeah, so I think there is a way to have a battle on that front and not just give people say it's wish list. In terms of the economic thing, I, I think there is a stupid version of the argument, which is the billionaires are getting richer while blah, blah, blah, even though they are. But what actually has been happening is because of all the money printing, what has happened is the people who own assets, that's not just billionaires, actually it's boomers and Gen X's and some millennials. And obviously in every generation, you're going to get people who break out of the trap of it. Sure. the people who own assets and have owned assets for 20, 30 years are running away from everybody without doing any more work. They just happen to live at a time when there's so much inflation and so much debatement of the currency for the last 30 years that all you really have to do, you know, the genius plan was you had to be a boomer and buy a house for $3 in 1970, right? - That's an exaggeration, I believe. - Yeah. (laughing) - Well, just to be clear, did you use my jumping off point as the stupid form of the argument? - No, no, no, no, no. What I'm saying is the left has a stupid version of this argument. - Oh, okay, I feel better about that. - But there is a steelman version of the argument, which is due to the debatement of the currency and money printing. You have a situation where the asset owners are running away from everybody, not because they invented some new thing that does a thing, not because they created a business, not because they did anything, but because they bought a house for $3 in 1973. - Yeah. - And now it's worth $2 million. And also, I also appreciate that we can have a conversation where you don't have to be specific about everything and someone's like, you know what, you have to, like you said, you have a thing that can do things. - You know what? - That can be like, you develop a thing that's prolapse. You're like, well, that's not a good thing. But we can know what you're talking about. I will say, yeah, but not just because of assets. So, if you look at this argument, and it's really hard because the same thing happens with the Israel thing, where people are like, I've been called both a Nazi and a Jew shell in the same day. If we look at this, boomers have a point. And so do Gen Z. So in a couple of ways, boomers obviously benefit from the tailwind from the greatest generation, okay. And when they point to a lot of the technological advancements and the creature comforts, Gen Z definitely has that in spades. And Gen Z people can definitely make better financial decisions. I mean, I always do coffee at home. Just the other day stopped, I got a cold breath. I was like, $9. I said to people, she was like, yeah, they don't come in and do that every day. I said like, do young people? She's like, as a monthly young people. And I wanted a hitter, I didn't, of course. I wouldn't because it's wrong. But it just made me so. I'm like, okay, so this is a component. But when you go to the necessities, like owning a house, like university, like healthcare. Okay. Name me any other industries that have been more subsidized or regulated. Like I had this conversation with my parents. I was like, they were like, well, you know, we have the assessment. Yeah, you bought the house for like, I don't know, $300,000 and now it's worth $5 million and you're surrounded by Indians. Like, let's just be honest about what this is. And the same thing, if you look at healthcare. Well, I mean, Obamacare happened and you saw premium skyrocket, right? You're talking about deductibles. If you look at student loans, I've talked about those people, their eyes glaze over. My debate at Harvard with a professor, you could see he didn't understand it. Where I said, there's an incentive to make school unaffordable in the, because Uncle Sam's gonna make up the difference, right? With these grants. And a big part of that is diversity. And affirmative action and DEI and kids who are underprivileged. So I had this, this was a big thing for me. I was at Fox News and there was a debate with, it was either Lanny Davis or Doug Schoen. So I'm like basic white guy in trends with the Democrats. And this is when we were just facing the housing crash. And he was saying, this is not right. You know, this is distinctly, and these Americans shouldn't be evicted from their homes and it's horrible and it's not fair. And I was maybe 22, I don't know. And I said, yeah, did they make those payments? So I said, we say predatory lending. I don't really understand how a bank who makes money off of you paying back a loan with interest. Had like, oh, you know what I'm gonna do? I'm gonna find people who can never pay it back. That doesn't make sense unless someone else is picking up the tab. Unless you're incentivized or in some cases pressured. I said, so did the people though? Did they make those payments? No, did they have the lowest interest rates of anyone buying a house at any point in time? I said, you know what, I don't think it's fair. Is someone like, and my parents had moved back to the States, they were living in a townhouse and they were looking to buy a home. And then it was way more difficult for them to purchase a home. I said, I don't think it's fair for people who have actually saved up. They have 20% to put down and they're facing whatever it is, 10% rates. And they can't get in because of some government policy that requires someone who hasn't made payments on that house for 14 months. However long it is that they get to stay in the name of fairness. I don't think that's right. I think the people who can afford and saved and responsible with their money should probably have an opportunity at those houses. I walked out and my three biggest influences in life would be David Letterman, Nor McDonnells, and John Stausel. I walk out and John Stausel has the makeup bib and they're carefully going around to stash. And he goes, hey, you're that Stephen Crowder kit. And then I go, yeah, he goes, you talk too much. I go, yeah, I cite a thing in Ken Kuhn, you talk too much. But you really, so if you talk less and show more, he goes, that'd be great. And then the guy who I debated, Lanny Davis abduction is walking away. He goes, hey, Doug or Lanny. He goes, yeah, he goes, you're fucking wrong, kids right. And I thought, oh, okay, and this guy is brilliant. Certainly as far as economics. Like that is something people need to understand. It's not just because they bought a house and it went up naturally. It has been an artificially manipulated market because the whole thing is, hey, people got to have their home prices go up. That's your nest egg. So when people condemn it, when young people look at that and they go, the solution is more socialism, is more government intervention. Okay, they're not asking for that in the areas where costs have actually come down. Technology creates your comforts. I mean, even far more amenities with rent. That does not build a life. So they have a legitimate claim, young people. It's really hard to afford a home. Sure, in comparison. It's really hard to afford higher education. Sure, in comparison. Healthcare is unaffordable. Sure, in comparison. You've just listed the three categories of our economy that have seen the biggest pieces of legislation that we've ever seen in our lifetimes. That's how I view it. And your argument would be, if you didn't mess with it, it actually works. Yeah. I mean, it sounds simplistic, but what do we think happens if people who can't afford a house, they get evicted from a house because they're not making the payments. You have more houses in the market. What do we think happens if, for example, you allow insurance across state lines as opposed to protecting insurance companies? Well, there's a cheaper plan in Texas and you live in Connecticut. Now you can get the cheapest plan. What do we think happens if schools don't get checks from Uncle Sam and you say, well, I can't afford it. Schools go out of business. Yeah. You've seen their entire business model and price margins change with the increased government intervention. So there are ways that the government can intervene usually in a regulatory way to protect consumers, to protect Americans. But people, you're never going to have a socialist come in and say, hey, by the way, I don't know. You know, it's really cool about the end of this. I'm going to enslave you. They'll always come in saying it's democratic. They'll always come in saying that, yeah, you can vote us in and we're going to do this for you. And eventually, you know, the old phrase of that money runs out. So I think in the state, you're going to have both forms of a populist movement. It's really interesting. And where do you see the Mamdani Democratic Socialist? Do you think they've got real cut through with people in the country? Or do you think this is mainly just a city-based phenomenon? I don't know. I mean, there's one of those things I just, like, I don't-- because you'll have people who, like, say comedian and then they, like, present themselves as intellectuals. Everything I just said could be wrong. But I will make references available for every single claim that I make. I don't think of myself as a genius. I don't think of myself as knowing all this. I think of myself as a student. And I've studied those topics pretty well. As far as a political prediction with Mamdani, obviously, you're going to test it in New York first. How far is it going to go? How far is a guy going to go who doesn't like wearing shoes and eats rice bowls with his hands? I mean, I don't think it'll play well in Oklahoma. I don't know. I don't know. Well, his point is about the left-wing economic populism. Well, Bernie was the movement candidate. I focused on Bernie when everyone was focusing on Hillary. I'm like, look, that's going to be the coronation. It's going to be Hillary. But Bernie is the movement candidate. And we saw a lot of people come over from Bernie to Donald Trump. So there is an intersect. And I think some people are either because they're simple-minded, I guess, acting like leftist populism is the same as free-market populism. But yeah, I think a lot of people are confused. And it's become the same that Chantis Bernie, the billionaires, which used to be millionaires. But now that he's a multi-millionaire with three houses, which, by the way, it's so funny. AOC has a nice Tesla, a nice apartment. People go, wow, they live in this system or Hassan Piker has a Rolex or whatever it is. Which, by the way, to me, is like, I don't know. That's what's always funny about socialism. I just saw Lula wearing a Ralph Lauren shirt. What's the line? Just someone say, no, no, it's old Navy or less. Because that would be considered very luxurious to a lot of people. You say, well, you can do that, but you can't do our money. So you can have Ralph Lauren. They can't actually give you a line. It's just you have more than them. And so they deserve to take it. I mean, it's theft with a publicist. That's all socialism is. But Bernie went from the millionaires to the billionaires. And he has three houses. That's not one of those things where he goes, well, he needs a car to get someplace. Well, you need the summer house. I get one about the third one. He's like, fuck, I said summer, summer house. I think my mind is Gilbert Godfrey. But like, what's the just, you don't need that. And then we also look, by the way, people selling you this shit. Sorry, pardon my language. But since I know you're probably going to censor that anyway. I don't mean censor, edit it out. We believe in free speech. I know you believe in free speech. But Gilbert Godfrey yelling out, you know, I get it. I would, I would, I would cut it out for me too. It's like, they're the least charitable people on the planet. So if you want to know who gives most, it's conservative Christians. We know that, statistically. The biggest indicator is to, well, I know I keep banging the table. The biggest indicator is to who is going to give is, are they a person of faith, religious? And do they vote red? And there's a book. I think it was Brooks, who wrote, who really cares, we've cited it, people on the left don't, because it's their Ebenezer Scrooge before the redemption. I used to get so mad as a kid. I used to, back to Michael Cain, the best one was from Muppets. As a kid, he would go Scrooge. If he didn't like Christmas, I'd be like, piss off. He was a man, he was a man, merrier than any other in the town. Man kind of became his business. That's like the fifth gospel, like the story is he's redeemed. But what does he say before that? People often make it seem like he was rich and then he was a socialist. I said, are there no prisons, are there no poor houses? My taxes go there, so they should make use of it. And then, once he's been visited by three spirits, one of them sexually assaulted him, if you read it, he is like, you know what? No, it needs to be voluntary. And that's a ton of Christianity, his volunteerism, to some degree. So Christians give more individually. Socialists left us don't. That's why they demand it be taken by force. The funniest story, Bernie Sanders, there was an actual image of his tip, like at Starbucks. And it was like exactly $1.32, meaning he rounded to exactly 18% on his latte, because he's not going to give it penny more. But it's going to vote that you give it all. British people watching us to go, you tip for a coffee, he's weird. I know, it's one thing you guys get right. Yeah. Yeah. The Brazilian driver, they could be the hears. Everything is chip. You're not deliver, you're no cook for me. You just hand me the bag, it's bullshit. Like no one understands American tipping culture. Yeah, it's true. It's almost Arabic actually. It is. I feel like I'm at a bizarre. It's like I feel like I have some barker trying to negotiate with. Like I'm not trying to negotiate about my hot wings getting out of here. But your point is actually interesting. And I've thought about this quite a bit, which is there's a massive difference between voluntarily giving and thinking the government should take from other people. And give it away. And in Europe, that version is considered that's empathy. So when you take from these people and you give to these people, instead of encouraging everyone to create and then to share with other what they think is the right thing to do. Like I do that voluntarily. My wife and I give money to charity 'cause we want to do that. And we think it's better for us and for the people whom we're helping to do that. Yeah. It's flip in mentality is actually a very interesting point. - It's also, it's also far more effective. I mean, unless you're like Bono, where it's all virtuously. And I remember his one chair. I remember it came out that I think was quite literally less than 1% of every dollar actually went to charity. So that's the thing. The left off, when we did the live aid concert, turns out we basically funded a genocide and a warlord. We're like, whoops. Freddie Mercury said it pretty good though. And his last AIDS days didn't he? So, yeah, it's one of those things that left, they view their charity as voting to take from somebody else. And that's another thing going back to the right. Like I will tell you this, there are a lot of accounts that have popped up. And of course, a lot of them are in Bangladesh or whatever, they're, you know, shithole country, which we can say now because Trump did and they are, where they were like, you know what though? I don't think this is right. Like people shouldn't, people should be allowed treats on snap. When we say, well, you're not getting like soda on snap. By the way, one of the biggest recipients was like the Coca-Cola company, they lobby for snap. So you would think this would be this sort of, this confluence of all these issues. Like, oh, big corporations, big soda companies. And they're basically robbing from your pocket to pay for a giant welfare state. So the people who don't work are getting Coca-Cola. And then people on the right are like, everyone deserves a treat. So, okay, fine, pay for your own fucking treats. Until then, it's government loaf. That's what you get. My view is the chronically poor. And by the way, the founding fathers talked about this. It's very important, I think, I think, to delineate, you always have to say that. To delineate between people who've had some tough breaks in the Jimmy Braddock's of the world, right? Who then wins the championship and hands back everything he got from the local public works office. And people who were referred to as the, I believe it was the vicious poor if you look at the founding fathers. They talked about those who have no interest in working, who have no interest in contributing, who will sit with idle hands for the rest of their days if given the chance and they will take from their fellow men. They're like, we do not build an economic system to support those people. Those people will always be amongst you. That's very different from people who need some help every now and then. The problem is the vicious poor in this country have been welcomed as third world immigrants. And here's the thing. If you want to talk about economic populism, it relates to a big welfare state. Okay, you can have a giant welfare state or you can have open borders pick one. That's just reality. People go, well, everyone here is an immigrant. Come on. First off, are we acting like people coming from Ireland and England and Germany like they were from different planets? They had shared common values in a lot of ways and most ways religion, they would learn English when they came here. But they came or were the promise of nothing more than whatever it was, a few coins in their pocket. That's very different from people coming here and immediately benefiting from our public systems more than Americans who work in pay taxes. You have to pick one. The left will never address that issue. They will never address it. They used to address it. The left, well, I'm talking about the UK, used to actually be quite protectionist. - On immigration. - On immigration? - Well, like Bernie. - Yeah, and he was the same. - That's just because English people are racist. That was the right. They're like, that's too brown in this neck of the woods. Do you say neck of the woods there? I don't know. - Yeah, we do say neck of the woods. - Really? Okay, I thought Al Roker was the one who patented that. - No. - But he also has like no neck, fat black guy in the United States. Are you familiar with Al Roker? - No. - National treasure. - I'm not sure if you can answer the White House. - There we go. Brown needs very fun. But we don't understand that reference. - Your boys are enjoying it. - Yeah, yeah, that's the main thing. - He told the story. He told the story on air. He's like, I pooped my pants at the White House. And he told it and it didn't get the reaction that he expected. Like I think he thought, he'd be like, "Ah!" He pooped your pants at the White House, but the reaction was like, "Hey, we've all been there." As in, we made a joke and he didn't know the science. - We now know you've been there. - No, we have been to the White House. - Yeah. - But we haven't put up hands. - Well, I've never been to the White House and I've never pooped my pants. - Well. - So I guess that makes me better than you. - Interesting. - On those two categories. So you were at the center of a breaking story. It was about Brazil. Tell us what happened. - Oh yeah. - But I see you. - Well, it was one of those things. So I have a lot of Brazilian fans. I think part of it is because, you know, I used to appear on Rogan when a lot of the fans there early on were fight fans. And then I've done Brazilian. I've seen for a long time my woman is Brazilian. I talk about it. So I had Eduardo Bolsonaro, who's the brother of Flavia Bolsonaro on the show. Then the election happened. I don't know if you believe that it was clean. I don't. - It's South American politics. - Yeah. I mean, I know. - But even then, like the probability to me is, it's not completely impossible, but very, very unlikely. That again, I also questioned the 2020 results, which resulted in us being banned or suspended on YouTube for a while. So then Bolsonaro, seven hours after losing the election that judge steps in Mariahs, who may be the most corrupt man in our hemisphere, seizing or freezing, I believe, is passports that he can't leave. And the basis for it was something that his brothers said on my show the Friday before it. And all he said was like, I mean, you can go and watch use on the show. He's like, Lula say in the debate. And when you, when you don't win, you lose your immunity. I'm coming for you and your family. I would personally like for my brother to leave to come to United States because he, Lula said what he's gonna do. He even said, I like my opinion, 'cause he's a brother. And that's exactly what happened. - I'll follow you through that. I thought you were gonna do a sensual vestist alone in person. - I'm gonna give my best for it. - No, so yeah. And I'm sitting there and I get a text. I think I was laying in the brain. Did you see what happened? So, he sees Flavio's passport. I go, oh, why? They go, 'cause of what his brother said. So what did he say? He's like, you dumb shit. He said it on your show. I'm like, oh, when he said on my show, really? Where he said, I personally would like to see him not stay. That's. And then, again, tie that back. Every single mainstream democratic socialist and a lot of moderates praising it. I haven't heard a peep of jailing your political opponents. I haven't heard a peep about the political persecution. - We'll be interested to watch, 'cause we're recording this right after that's happened, but this will go out probably on November 4th. So by this point, maybe one leftist has anticipated this and this come out. - Maybe. - And jumped in front of you. - I doubt it. - Well, I need it, I really doubt it. - Let's find out. - You know why? Not because the left is stupid. This is one thing in having debated there at Fox News when I was young and appearing on HLN BBC. Quite a bit, Sky News, all of that. And then, there was no, like, sit down and have a conversation, the term prompt wasn't used before I did change my mind. Like, that's what started all that. And anyone can come up and talk. I've noticed that, and this is a consistent pattern, you'll find exceptions, but this is the pattern, that the left is, they very readily attribute intent, evil intent to the right. And they are not able to steal man. It's the right. Whereas the right, they are far more charitable as far as intent. I think they need to be less charitable, certainly in this day and age. But they are able to steal man to the left. That's a big difference that I see. Like, that debate that I had at Harvard, I mean, only took finally offering $10,000 to the Ivy League schools because people say, "Well, why don't you bake some on quality?" Well, okay, send me someone, we had someone who's been tenured since 1989, and I was finishing his phrases. Now, I'm not, like I said, I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed, but why was I able to, with a professor who's from, he studied at Princeton, Yale, Oxford, clerks for Thurgood Marshall, wrote books on DEI in affirmative action, and he's talked about free speech on campus. He said debates with other professors, and you can go back and watch it as he goes on to make his point about affirmative action he's going in. So long as that's not, and I go, "Invideous," and it's this form of discreet, "Okay, so long as that's not." I'm finishing his phrases for him, and he goes, "Yes, yes." And he didn't even reroute, because he had no plan B. He had never encountered the arguments that I presented. This is the hallowed halls of Harvard. If you were to ask someone on the right today, generally, you'll get stupid people on both sides. But if you were to ask someone on the right, "Okay, what are you, your pro-second amendment?" And they say, "Yeah, what would the argument against that beef on the left?" Most of them would tell you, "They probably say, you know, if it saves one life, they probably would say you're more likely to have a gun used against you, that it was written during a time of muskets. They'll be able to give you the arguments." If you have someone on the left, get what is the person who is pro-gun? They'll go, "That's just because you're a gun-toting redneck." Very often. If you were to ask someone on the right, and I've done this, because I've sat down with at this point, many hundreds of them, say, "Okay, I'm pro-life." Well, because I believe that life starts at fertilization, and it's separate, genetic code, DNA from the mother. "Okay, what do you think the pro-choice side says?" Well, they would probably say it's her body, it's her choice, you know, and it's some form of oppression. Okay. What would they say about freedom of speech? You can ask them to go, "Oh, well, they probably say hate speech and stuff." What would they say about socialism? And people are going to go, "Oh, they'll probably ask about roads and fire departments." If you ask people on the left, they won't present to you a valid form of the right-leaning argument. They're not interested in it. So yes, we do have silos, but only one side has a violently aggressive echo chamber that prevents people from stepping out of it. And I would ask you to, even because you'll have a big sample size, do that. Just ask, especially average people who maybe aren't necessarily political, ask them to steal man their opposition, I would say it's a ratio of about 10 to 1. People on the right can do it. And then, they're far more charitable of intent to the left. The left thinks that people on the right are evil. They support violence, political violence, more than people on the right. We all watch what happens with Charlie Kirk, and that's not the only one that you saw get through. That's been my experience. So I don't think. Why do you think that is? Well, I know why it is for the generation like millennials. So, and this is when I wrote the book that was called something else because the term SJW wasn't even a thing yet, and the woke wasn't a thing yet, and it was turned down from every major conservative publisher. It was basically changed my mind, but with chapters on it is, let's say a millennial person, born, and I was born in '87, so someone born somewhere between '85 and the early '90s, lives the average American life. They go to public school. They turn on MTV network news, right? The bands they listen to, they go to university. If they come out of that conservative, they have had to defend their view every single day of their life. There are no exception. The leftist, the liberal from my generation, would accept everything by default. And that's why I think it's very important to delineate between those who've accepted the default cultural position and those who are the manipulators, right, the propagandists of set position. So it's impossible to go through life, and I would say this is probably with most generations. It's impossible to go through life as a young person and be right leaning or conservative and not have to think about why because you have to defend it. The left never does. To the left, they never actually have to grow out of that 14-year-old girl going, "Save the Wales. Do you want to sign it?" That's just, "Give them a seat, and you've got AOC." Remember the Green New Deal? It was 11 pages. And it was like, "And cookies, and cookies." It was everything there. It's just like, "And by the way, equity for the whole of time." Like, "What the fuck? How do you just put this all in there?" I thought this was about fossil fuels. So that's why people on the right have had to defend their view. May change now with the fragmenting of media. Well, actually, it's interesting, so I was going to agree with you there. And in fact, I think in large parts, that's why the left is so culturally dominant. Because the right has to argue for its ideas. The left just imposes them through the education system and all the rest of it. To the point where people think that's the default position. And actually, it's interesting, so people like us who don't really identify as either left or right, particularly. Oh, stop it. Go on. Stop it. No, I don't want to go on. I just wanted to say, "Stop it." No, okay. Then the moment you stray from the left, you're according to the left, you might as well be. You acknowledge that, right? To the left, they would say right. But I reject that right to define my policy. I know, but they would. I didn't give a fuck about that. But here's my point. I agree with you. You're not necessarily right or left. Okay. Do you think that someone on the left would agree with your statement? They would say, "Come on, you're right way." No. Of course they don't. Of course they don't agree with you. Exactly. And by the way, a lot of people on the right don't either, because they want to co-opt us to right way. And, you know, that's flattering in some ways, whatever. But my point was that if you say to a right-leaning person, "Well, actually, I disagree with you about this and this and this." And they say, "Oh, that's fair enough." But I'm glad we agree or next-wise, that's right. If you say to a left-wing person, like, "Well, I kind of think this is true and this is true, but I don't agree with you." Then Nazi is what you get. Right. That's your point. Yeah. But you talk about the fragmentation of the media. I mean, one of the things that I have to say has been mind-boggling to me. And I think this happened particularly after the murder of Charlie Kirk. It went into, like, complete overdrive is, like, I genuinely don't understand, like, the retardos fear that's been created on some commentators on the right in the new media space. The kind of so-and-so, and Tucker Carlson phenomenon. Oh, okay. This is interesting, because, like, you have the, I love how you have this sort of formal lighting. And you have the, what I call, the Protestant Church backdrop. [laughter] It's an every Protestant church. Like, God wants to be happy. This is in the background. Yeah. We have that, but we can also combine it with new media, like, hmm, expelling retardos here. Yeah. Well, I just did. You just give me a few names. Yeah. But of what people are doing. Oh. Coming up with these crazy ideas, I have no bearing on reality. Winston Churchill is the greatest villain in World War II, you know. [laughter] Charlie Kirk. Swife killed him. He killed himself for the, you know, Bridget McCrone, who's a man killed. I'd like, like, what is that? Israel was behind Venezuela and taking Maduro. I thought that was a French legion. It's both. It's both. It depends. But they were transported by the Egyptian. Right. But it's like entertainment, I get. And Alex Jones was perhaps someone he was doing this kind of stuff for a long time. But it just seems to be, like, more of it. But what's with it to me? If Alex Jones actually did believe what he said, and Alex Jones was right on a lot more than these people are, he was wrong on some. But Alex Jones was very, like, Alex Jones, when he said, like, "You know, we went to Guatemala, South America, and we knew that they had syphilis, Connery, and we just let them get infected. Like, we just let them have boils all over their balls." And we're like, "No." And then you're like, "Oh, Hillary Clinton apologized for it, but we basically allowed disease to spread." And the frogs were turning gay, as well. They were turning at the very least asexual. Asexual. Yeah. Yeah. So he was, so my point is that there's something there. But I came to, the Alex Jones phenomenon quite late, by which point, a lot of it was pretty wacky. But I just looked at that and went, "Okay, that's what Alex Jones does, so I therefore know what to make of that." But if Alex Jones was, like, the number one anchor in Fox News, and then, like, two years later, he's this, then I'd have questions. Yeah. And this is why I said, I think, the anchor, it has to be truth. It has to be truth. And we have a process for determining truth. Notice that the only institutions that the left they want to do away with are any of the processes or institutions that may determine truth. So, for example, like the justice system, they just say, "Well, actually, it's completely unjust and they insert some bullshit statistic here." You know, the same principle applies to innocent until proven guilty. If you look at math, or you look at, for example, teaching logic and reason in classical Greek fashion, they say that's white privilege and they demand that those courses be changed, right? So the mechanisms that you need to decipher, to give you discernment, which I think is very important, that's what all wisdom is, is discernment, the left seeks to destroy. So when you say that, so many broad strokes, but I apply the same standard to that as I do to myself and I do to anything else, okay, well, what is the evidence? That's what we need, okay, what is the, if you're making a claim, you're asserting this, what is the evidence? And for everything that you just mentioned, the answer is none. There are assertions. There is no evidence. That's why I'm asking why is that happening because. Because bitches be crazy. Let's be honest. It's a bunch of true crime silly bitches. The same people who believe that Lindsey Clancy's husband did it, even though that man was a saint, by the way, they're the same people who believe that Erica Kirk is part of some kind of underground satanic cabal in there, the same amount of evidence for both of them. It's not the conservative audience, it's not the right-wing audience. It's a bunch of people who are just looking for a reason to stir up shit. There is zero evidence. None whatsoever that Lindsey Clancy's husband did anything other than take parental leave, but from home, fire an Annie, fire an Annie when she didn't want the Annie, and go pick up dinner and a prescription for her or the children while she plotted to murder the children. His greatest sin is that he moved on. Now people say that's too fast to move on. I don't know. I move on pretty fucking quickly if a lady killed my kids, right? Now it would be in my rear view mirror. Same thing. There is zero evidence whatsoever to many of these baseless can pick one. Hey, if there's evidence for it, great. But there's some, here's the thing, some people have no interest in it. Like they'll go, you know, 30 ought six. Uh, it always, no, no, that's just not true. It's not true. It depends where the shot was taken, depends on the kind of bullet, um, it depends where it hits. Now, you can say it's unlikely that a 30-odd six would react, but would react this way, but my uncle has taken deer many years with a 30-odd and it doesn't have an exit wound. Bullets do weird things. That is not a, you know, who else got taken out by a 30-odd six and didn't have an exit wound. Martin Luther King Jr. No, look, look, look, look, that went through here and then it hit his clavicle. Can we just stop? 'Cause you said that it should basically vaporize them like a Ridley Scott film. So this is where, then we move on to another one, whether, whether what, the Egyptian plane thing, the French Legion, um, and people don't apply the same filter or the same process. You do need to apply that equally. Now, my lens, obviously of the world is more conservative, Christian conservative. I acknowledge that. But I need to recognize if I have a blind spot, uh, so I always try and look into something and I always try and steal man the opposition. I have tried to do it with these conspiracy, there is, there really is nothing there. There is nothing there. And if you look at the audience base, it's usually, um, it's, it leans very heavily female in people who are into true crime. That's a big part of it. To act like this is the same overlap of a huge percentage of Trump voters, it's just, it's just not the case. Well, that's actually a good explanation. And I think this is where I said, uh, you know, if somebody who was doing serious stuff then pivot into this, that's perhaps the confusion. Right. I'm saying. Yeah. Uh, because if someone is doing true crime, what you got, I don't know, this is kind of entertaining to watch you know what's true, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But if it's sort of presented as a truth claim by someone who used to make truth claims that used to be true, that's the point of which it can't, though, yeah, tell me more. Well, which people have made truth claims that happen to be true. I thought Candace Owens was absolutely fantastic at regurgitating Thomas Sol talking points about the BLM and all that kind of thing. She was very good at selling that to a different audience. I disagree. That's all. I just, I disagree. You disagree? I disagree. I think you could go watch her interview with Joe Rogan a very long time ago. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. There's a reason that he didn't ever back. Yeah. Uh, but obviously people know she was a lifelong liberal and she's with NAACP and she created social autopsy to Docs Conservatives. I'm sure you're familiar with all of this. Uh, and uh, yeah. So, uh, the only consistent through line with all the people you've mentioned is that they've been remarkably inconsistent. It would be fine. I know that people can be left, see the light and go to the right, but once someone goes left wing, right wing, left wing, right wing, and we get, but none of this is something that's really like falsifiable, verifiable, none of that. I, you just have to, at a certain point, ignore it as white noise until you get to evidence. So that's why I say the through line has to be truth. And it's not just them, by the way. I talked about this. Very few people, I dislike more in the entertainment industry than Alan Richardson, the Jack Richard guy. Sorry. My stomach's growling. So I'll probably go grab something to eat a little bit, but, um, and, and, and it's not because I know him personally. I dislike him even though I don't know him personally because he, first off, he goes out and he tells Christians that they can't vote for Trump. And I don't know if he was like the Epstein list, you know, the Epstein list, I would have that shit on lock. I'd be like, bitch, get out of the way and he's just so delusional. Uh, and he also said he gained 30 pounds of muscle at 40, completely naturally in six months, which I don't know if it has happened zero times in human history. So that, so my point is I really don't like him because he acts like a stud, uh, but he lives like a bitch. But then there was this article. He did a whole segment on it. He has like a million plays, I think, where there was this article, Alan Richardson, um, Terry I'd talks about finding out that his son or daughter was not his with a paternity test. And I would tell you, it happened and I said like a quiet prayer because you're supposed to pray for people you don't like. I just like, no one should have to go through that. It's completely made up, it's completely made up. And the reason that I thought, well, this must be true, it's because it says in this clip, and it's a clip of Alan Richardson, you know, talking in those t-shirts that are like always cut out, like here, like they can't fit their head through it. I don't know why that's all he wears. And he's talking about some, uh, show that he worked on is zero to do with his divorce, zero to do with a paternity test and it has like two million in reach. And then you have the same thing with Tom Cruise cutting off his kids from his will. And these things just go up, go up, go up, and they are completely fabricated. So there's a huge cottage industry right now that the tough thing is as someone who, the one kind of claim that I, I can make, is that I've been here the longest. I have been in this space the longest as it can, there were no conservatives on YouTube. You can go back and see what the blue bed sheet in a digital eight camcorder, uh, and it used to be the internet was a place where we could sort of bypass the gatekeepers. I used to watch Joe Rogan his very first shows. It was, you know, webcam in his den. He's like, yeah, we don't, I watched when he was on Tom Green live, which was a show in his living room. And Joe, I'm like, this is, this is the future. You could see the wheels turning where he was inspired by it. And say, hey, we don't need, you know, these people, we don't need to have a big expensive studio, right? So the idea was, hey, we can reach people directly without the agents, without the managers. And we know that legacy media feeds slop and dishonesty. So that was kind of the first wave, right? And we were still figuring it out as far as making it professional, but not making it too slick. And then something changed at the same time that the legacy media realized, okay, cable news isn't the thing. So they just dump a bunch of advertising dollars into YouTube. So they get favorable algorithmic treatment. People online just say, you know what, I just make stuff up because the truth, here's where we went. But legacy media, I think we both agree, CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS, right? Read this on it, a lot of lies. The truth was more interesting than the lies. It was novel. It was like, actually, what you were told isn't really true. And like you mentioned, Thomas Sol, right? Like you mentioned talking about social, some of my early videos and the second amendment, things like that. Okay. So that gained traction. And now at the point where here's the truth that people have been used to, well, that's kind of old hat. And the lies are more interesting than the truth. Jack Reacher, paternity test, wife cheated on him with a black guy. I added that, but the point is, you know, they just have to make it as salacious as possible. And that's a huge industry at this point. So that's something where we're going to have to deal with. And people are going to need to have tools to be more discerning, but we went from the truth more interesting than the lie. And now the lie is more interesting than the truth. Well, how do you compete with a lie? Right. You compete with a lie. There's someone makes it up. You go, like in other words, I go, hey, no one ever in the history of the world has gained 40 pounds or 30 pounds of muscle in six months. It's not possible. So someone's saying that like, that's a story. You can talk about it and you can show some studies and go, this is what you expect. Okay. That's pretty interesting. It's not as interesting as Alan Richardson gang banging at a sex club, but that's not true. But that'll get more clicks. And if you apply that to, you know, the other folks that you mentioned, people in the media sphere, like it's not as though this is something that we don't all see. And, you know, community notes aren't cutting it because people see it. They go, well, why would someone lie? They have a quote attributed to this clip. So clearly it's in the clip and you click the clip and there's nothing to do with it. Well, there's two other things as well, which is number one, the mainstream has destroyed fact-checking as a thing because like we have BBC verify in the UK that like tells you whether a claim is on your way or they keep lying in that number one. The other thing is. Is that what Jubilee copied with their fact check? I don't know. Like fact check. Mentor bad. You like the fun. Okay. And the other thing is actually responding to this stuff amplifies it, which is what these people use to get more attention for the same bullshit. Yeah. As well. So it's a challenge you want to solve. It is. I mean, we do have rules for libel slander like I don't, again, I think people are grown-ups where some people, yeah, myself not included. But I think people can delineate between, for example, doctors who are currently practicing during COVID saying we're seeing promise with Ibermectin or hydroxychloroquine, you know, come out with zinc and we're seeing patient outcomes better and they give you a sample size of thousands of people. I think people can see the difference between that being removed at the behest of the government and someone, you know, just saying, Hey, Johnny Depp is turning into a woman, right? Where you can go, well, that shouldn't be allowed. Not censoring speech, but like if something is verifiably, like immediately verifiably untrue. Okay. Like if YouTube can algorithmically suppress people who aren't monetized, you mean to tell me that someone is making something up knowingly and they have a pattern of doing it. Those accounts shouldn't be there. They don't have anti-free speech at all and I'm a free speech absolutist, people say you can't they all fire on a credit theater? Well, sure you can. Of course you can. There's a fire. Where do you think there's a fire? You can't yell fire to cause a stampede. People don't even understand that case that that statement's often based on. But even before we get to that, it's like people need to do a better job themselves and I have a few things that I advise people. If you watch someone and they don't provide references on a regular basis for factual claims that they make, you should probably move on to someone else. I think that needs to be a standard. We've been doing it for years. It's a bibliography every single show. We have an admonished button for us in show if we get something wrong. And if people don't have something, I know you guys had the fact check that you said. If people don't even attempt that, you can't trust them. And then I think we, people need to be more, more discerning. We're in an era where this is really scary. I definitely think for young people where everything's a short and a short and a short. Not only attention spans, are they shorter? But you have people who, I don't even know if they assume everything they read is true, I think they just don't care. That's such a good point because what this is with those people is entertainment. You talk to them. I know some of these people. I go, "Why do you listen to Candice?" And they go, "Yeah, but she's really entertaining and it's fun." And you go, "Well, at that point, what are you actually getting from it? Are you just getting a soap opera? Or are you getting somebody else who's trying to educate you?" The thing is, there is nothing wrong with a soap opera, as long as everyone involved knows it's a soap opera. The issue I have with it is it's truth claims. It's soap opera presented as truth. Also, I think that Mexican soap operas need to label it. They're Mexican because everyone just looks like white people. That is a very, very good joke that goes back 20 years in my memory. I haven't seen a Mexican soap opera for at least 20 years. They're in novellas. Yeah, it's just they just look like what? It looks like you too. Yeah, but that's the thing. It doesn't matter the age of a person. If they're from Latin America, they will watch that shit. Yeah. And it is shit. It is the worst acting you have ever seen in your life. Oh my gosh. I can do that. Canadian acting can be pretty bad. It's funny because the talents that come to the States are great. And in comedy, they're disproportionately represented. But like if you watch Canadian TV, let alone French Canadian TV. You have some standouts. It's the worst, most obvious sense of humor. Like, you know, someone or like a funny tie in a paper mache hat or some shit. You're like, this is-- Yeah, but they're French, I can't do that. Yeah, no, I know. But Canadian acting is very over the top. But yeah, it should come with a warning. Because I don't know if I'm watching a Mexican soap opera or any other soap opera because they all look white. So Canadians are white Mexicans is what you're saying? Yeah, effectively. Only they're more of a national securities. Yeah, but the food isn't as good. In Canada? Yeah. Do you have any food in Canada? No, I don't. They've got poutine. It's just chips and gravy. No, stop it. But you guys, you're from the place with the worst food on earth. Hey, let's show them. We do a great cover. This is my area of expertise, right? You're going to tell me about a great career. No, no, no, no. Weathing mash have the best desserts in the world. That's fact. Fact, fact, fact, fact. Let me guess a pastry puts some cream in it. No, I told you about, no, my fucking call. This orientax is sticky toffee pudding. There's a gun over there and I'm going to shoot you. On that happy note. First off, I don't know if he's allowed to have a gun because you're not, this is not, but you know what? I accept it. Fine. We actually have the best food in Montreal. A lot of people don't realize Montreal. That's the one, one silver lining there is the multi-cultures. I'm going to want an awful place. It is like bagels came through Montreal before New York. People don't realize that. Yeah. Well, on that happy note, Stephen, great to have you on the show. That's it. That's it. Unless you got more. I thought you'd do the whole thing where you do like the speed, I mean, I always have more. What do you do with it? The speed. Yeah, I've got some here. Yeah, yeah. Well, this guy, I thought you just took a bump when he was just like, no, no, I can't deserve it. That's just a deal. That's a deal. That's a deal. That's a deal. On desserts. I always thought you guys do like, what is it? Speed round in them. No, we do what's the one thing we're not talking about, which we're about to do. And then we go to triggerpod.co.uk for people's questions and then we'll send it. Right. Well, let me leave it before you do that one morning. Go on. Oh, yeah. You wanted to give us the mug. Oh, yeah, yeah. I did give you the mug just because, you know, look, your mugs are nice, but I mean, oh, if you-- That's not what the fuck. My mug is in fact. No, no, no. You take that mug back. And then because you have to compare it, like, wait, and this is hand-edged. And like, this is what kept us afloat when we were demonetized and canned. Well, that's heavy. Yeah. And it's hand-edged. One shot. One side, though. No, actually, that's the classic one that didn't have both sides. So I gave you something vintage and you shit all over it, but thanks. No, we're grateful. Yeah. But you started a bit of a row and we got-- Yeah. No, it's not a row. It was just offensive. What does a row mean? A row. Yeah, it's where-- Is that your sister? A row. Is it-- is our fucking language? Yeah. Well, fine. You get defensive about desserts. You get that like one. But you look who I'm speaking French. Yeah. Well, first off, I grew up in Detroit, which also isn't America. And they don't speak English. A row? Yes. Oh, oh, yes. A row. Like a fight. Is it an expression that we use in the States? A row? It's a row. Oh, OK. I get it now. No, that's-- no, that's-- that's that. It's-- they caused a row. See, you know what? I'm glad you had a fucking revolution. Anyway. Yeah. I'm glad that we got away. Yeah. Me too. What were we saying about the monk? Come back. How do we bring this back? Oh. No, that's what kept us afloat because we knew that we were going to be demonetized. Interesting fact. I was water-borted as part of a Christmas telephone. And you know, you feel that hand that etching, like it gives you a grip. And the signal, when I wanted to stop being water-borted, they taped my hand. See, I was actually water-borted by, you know, Marine Navy SEALs and some Army Rangers. They put that in my-- because I can't talk. So they put the mug in my hand. People can go watch it. And the signal was supposed to be, I tossed the mug for them to stop. But the problem is, the mug was clamped in my hand too tight, and I literally couldn't toss it. And they did that on purpose, see? Yeah. Well, they could have. Yeah. I definitely didn't. I thought I could beat it. I stuck my tongue out like a tent. I was like, I did. I did. And then, you know, so my point is this is, you know, it's very, you know, it's-- it's nicer than yours. But it's also very much just a token of appreciation. I'm so glad that people like you are around too. Like, there weren't many early on. I mean, there were no conservatives on YouTube, and there were-- there were no right-leaning people, freedom-minded people, which was dominated by edgy atheists. And I appreciate that you guys are willing to have conversations with everybody. Sometimes it gets heated, and that's always really fun, because I can see your eyes shift a little bit. We're like, this moment. But you still keep it right. See, I-- the thing is, since you mentioned that, because I definitely know my eyes go like that. But the-- I only really-- see, we really genuinely are interested in everyone's perspectives. Now, some people's perspectives are crazy and wrong. But it's worth having the conversation. When I get-- when I go hard at people is when they break the rules of the conversation. The whole conversation is you talk, I talk, and we engage with what each other is saying. Some people don't do that. What they do is dodge into rubbed. And I have to say, our recent experience is a pretty consistent, which is it's only the progressive left that really does that. With everyone else, you can have a discussion. But we're going to keep doing-- we're going to keep inviting people on from all over the spectrum, because we think there's value on that. And by the way, if you want to talk about, you know, getting to the truth, interrogating each other's ideas and ideas from across the political spectrum is worth it for that reason. It's-- I think it's why Change My Mind works so well, because that is a discussion about the ideas. Ultimately, now it's entertaining, and some people are retarded and blah, blah, blah. We're allowed to say retarded now, too, right? Yeah, we are. You're welcome. It's always been my favorite word. Because we were suspended. Isn't it fun to go lawsuit to a change of mind? That's going to be-- you know, watching that on CNN, did Jubilee's Change My Mind with James Talleriko? And by the way, a lot of people have copied kind of the format and stuff, like people go, well, you can't trademark the-- no, no, no, no, no, I'm not. If I were to go out and AI creates two of you, Constantine and Francis, and have a set like this and call it trigger nometry, that would be a problem. Not people just sitting down and having a conversation, let alone a novel format. But it's just funny. They had the same font and color, and it's like, I was just thinking, CNN, the most trusted name and news literally couldn't come up with a name. They just had to take it from someone else. That show is you that legacy media is largely irrelevant. And I'm hoping that it's not really new media now, but I guess you'd just say online media. I'm concerned about the direction, two reasons. One, the left are Marxists, and that is something that I firmly believe I warned against it all the time. If you want to understand the left, look at everything to the lens of Marxism, who's the oppressor, who's the oppressor, it's the only way you can make sense of it. It's the only way you can make sense of an LGBTQ flag, but then also a free, you know, from the river to the sea. It's the only way you can make sense of the logical inconsistencies. They view the world through the lens of Marxism, and I absolutely, when people say we need unity on the right, what does that mean? To me, he's fighting the left. And I know people say that's just fear-mongering, okay, that's what needs to be unified is fighting the left because anything they touch, they destroy. And I'm hoping that as we move forward, we see all this fracturing stuff going on in our online media. I'm hoping that shows like yours went out and not, you know, like the clickbait stuff that we were talking about. And I'm not just talking about those hosts, but the same thing that you see on X and Instagram and the real culture. Like, we are looking at a fork where the internet could continue to be a really cool place that renders legacy media irrelevant. That part has largely happened, or dead internet theory could become a reality. And that's scary. So I hope you guys, you don't keep doing it. Well, thanks, man. But it's also up to people. The reality is, and we've come all the way full circle to the start of the conversation. Podcasts are now, I know a lot of people in our space that literally sit down and plan out the podcast conversation down to every single question. And they're like, and I'm going to ask this because that'll create this clip. And so now, I thought this whole space was for this, right? Long form conversation, agreed, disagreed, discussed, then bring someone on from different specific, but now we're getting into clip culture 2.0, like, work 1.0. Now we've got clip culture 2.0, where people are going into a long form conversation to create a clip so that they can go on. And it's so easy to do like, look, ask me, okay, well, let's do a little thought exercise here. Ask me a question, any question? I'll show you how, if I wanted to be a charlatan, like if I wanted to be dishonest, assuming you believe that I'm a. What do you think about the wrong war? Do you mean the Iran war that was orchestrated and funded by the Jews? Now you do. Are you optimistic for America? I would be optimistic for America if we weren't beholden to and controlled by baby Net and Yahoo. It's super fucking easy to do. It's just anyone can do it. Well, what I find funny is that Nick Fuentes was like, the Israel derangements, like he was saying that people now who have Israel deranged syndrome, which actually is your point, which is once people catch on to the fact that something, some retarded idea, gets attention online, then everyone starts repeating the retarded idea. That's what pisses me off more than anything. Yeah. Well, that's a. It's just really easy to do. Okay, let's do it with Charlie Kirk. Go ahead and ask me a question. Because we've talked about these big things. Did Erika Kirk kill Charlie Kirk? Well, I am not saying that she killed Erika Kirk, but isn't it odd that she wore leather pants at its funeral? And the person who came out and signed a sworn statement, not in court, mind you, said and the Erica Kirk planned to kill Charlie. Kirk, what do you say to that person whose name I can't give you and whose face I can't show you? Right? Anything. It's way easier. Your jobs would be way easier. I've been doing what I do for a very long time and people can say I'm stupid. I'm not going to change it, but that is what you're up against. And it's super, super easy to do. And that's why you see a bunch of Johnny come lately, he's going, oh, great. So when you're like these people who may be espoused facts before, there are some of those. And there are a lot of people who just popped up and they're doing exactly what I just did with you. Well, maybe that's a better way to think about it. It's just entertainment for people who want that, you know, it's not, it's not actual facts. But that comes back to your point, which is individual people who watch stuff. I'm going to have to make a decision. Do you want to watch things whose mission is true seeking? What do you want? You want to watch entertainment? Ninety-nine percent of them will choose entertainment. Well, and the funny thing is our show is, I mean, I don't know if you've, like, we brought in several metric tons of sand into a parody of saving private Ryan, a parody of darkest hour. Like, there will be blood. We've at least four or five sketches. I mean, our overhead is millions of dollars because we created a television show online as opposed to most podcasts or a radio. Again, my influences were people like Letterman. So it is far more entertaining and we treat people like adults who can understand the difference between, you know, Josh doing a George Bush impression, calling the states on election night. And a factual claim that I make and that's why we provide overlays and that's why we try and give people references. But you know, okay, doing this before we go to the questions here, the Israel thing. I'll just say this is my, because I get called both an anti-Semite and a Nazi in the same day. Okay. This is my perspective and it has been for pretty much all of my adult life. I even said this to Ben Shapiro going back, I don't know, 2016 and I didn't get into deficit. You know what? If we just stopped sending any money over to that area of the world, Israel would actually come out of head. When you add up all the money that we send to people who want to wipe them off, face them out. Is that a reasonable policy? Yeah. I think that's actually reasonable. And then my position is, hey, Israel has some motives that sometimes are not aligned with the United States and the United States would have some motivations that sometimes aren't aligned with Israel. And then quite often there is overlap because there are similar groups of people who want to kill both of us. And so the simple approach forward is no money, no blank checks to Israel. I don't think we should be sending the amount of money if they want to make some purchases when convenient. If we want to exchange Intel, okay, great, but we shouldn't be tied at the hip as a matter of policy and let the cards fall where they may. Iran is a good example. They have motivations. We have motivations. Sometimes they are congruent, sometimes they're not. Like APAC should probably register under Farah. They can go screw themselves with a wire brush for the same reason act blue can because they gave so much money to Akim Jeffries and Elizabeth Warren. I don't care. They tend to lean left. But so should all the people who give money to universities, whether it's Qatar, whether it's China. We should know about the influence in our elections. We should know the proportionality, which is something people are avoiding. And I don't think that we should be having a consistent guaranteed relied upon check to Israel. And I believe they have the right to exist. I think that's probably a position that most people would find sensible. There is no place for that. It goes incredibly unsexy, isn't it? Yes. Because the Jews are in control of the government is much more appealing, as a genocide, which there isn't. You know, like these two extreme positions, like on many other issues, but far more appealing to, especially to dumb people, let's be honest. But I'm extremist. I'm an extreme right wing. I'm just saying like that one is where I look at the truth and I go, okay, that's a very moderate position on this issue. It probably is a moderate position on this issue, but it's a position that actually, I'm not, it's not common ground. I'm not trying to find common ground based on a lie. You'll find probably some people on the left and on the right who would agree with that. Yep. Stop the guaranteed funding. Farah got it. We also need to know other money and politics. And wherever it makes sense, for us to partner up great, otherwise, enjoy yourselves. I think that's a very sensible view in many Americans agree with it. And we're funding all sides of the war in the Middle East. We know that. So, like, this is the problem, that's not clippable. That's a conversation that can take place. And I say this as someone who has been accused of being reductive because I go, well, it's a life and you're aborting a life. I go, well, a man can't become a woman. This is one of those topics where the left believes in nuance for everything until there's an issue that actually requires nuance, right? They believe in nuance for everything, but then, of course, they don't believe in it when there is no nuance. Like, well, there's nuance with gender. Okay, explain it to me. You can't answer it at all. But then with this issue, they just go genocide. You mentioned that. Like, I get, by the way, your heart breaks for anyone, not even, I don't even want to, I don't want to end in this, but your heart breaks for someone with someone have the, someone has a black side. Yeah. The white genocide is called a culture. Why do I have a coal miner, is there an AD? Yeah, so I get him out. Like, it's, I get, and it's horrible in your heart breaks when you see what's going on. Yes. But it's a pretty shitty genocide. If you look at the percentage of population. Like, I would imagine that, that Hitler would be very upset if there were six million more Jews than when he started. He'd probably have to have a fall guy like him like, I forgot to carry the one, something like that. You'd do a bit of ranting. You'd be unhappy. Yeah. Yeah. What is this? It's like, I thought it was some mundane detail. Six million units, not a mundane detail. I would imagine that he would not be happy with that. If he set out with the goal, and by the way, Hitler's bet, well done with that. Most of the time. Yeah. That's just to be clear. I mean, I'm sure he did like some things that were like, I'm sure he now, and then he walked the dog and I'm like, okay, good for Hitler walking. Yeah. So, I don't want to make this simple reductive statement. But as a general rule, I'm not, well, I'm not afraid to take the, the unpopular position. I'm anti-Hitler. I would imagine that if Hitler set out with the express, the state of goal of exterminating the Jews, and there were more than when he started, he, so not me, I bet you, he would tell you that it was a failure. Just an opinion. But we'll never know, because God rest his soul. He left us too soon. He was inappropriate. What's the whole thing? One thing we're not talking about that we really should be. Before Stephen answers the final question, it's going to take about half an hour, by the way. At the end of the interview, go to triggapot.co.uk, where you'll be able to see this. If I have the guy with the biggest biceps, smaller biceps, you got 20% bigger biceps. My biceps are 33% bigger than your congratulations, I'm the guy with the bigger biceps. Can you describe some of the stealth effort efforts to discredit or compromise you? Honeypot, financial gain, bribes, false leads, give me the dirt. What's the whole thing we're not talking about that we really should be? Choose. No, what's the one thing that we're- They get a lot of attention, they get a lot of attention. You know what it is? You know that collar, daddy podcast? Yes, I'm aware. Yeah. They had Kamala Harris on, there's a Kamala, I have just- You know what it's fine because I go back and forth and then I'm remembering the right way. I can't remember which one is. It's that, you know, people talk about feminism quite a bit, and I do think- Most of our audience will be extremely unfamiliar with the call her daddy podcast. What is it? Well, then that's a problem that they have a blind spot, because it's like the most popular female podcast out there. You want me to summarize what it is? Yeah. I'm just telling women to be slutty. It's like if world market, if their little homies meet home was just like bang every guy you see. So- Why are you against it? Anyway, Karam. Well, come on now. Come on. I see you. Oh, yeah, your Christian conservative. Yes, I am. And I'm happily married. Right. I'm just pretending to be a real woman. No, no, that's okay. You're trying to do the edgy thing. Exactly. Not everyone has to be Nick Fuentes. Constantine. It's okay to be yourself. It's going to be hard for me to be Nick Fuentes. Nick Fuentes lives in you. No, so women- That's what I can worry. Have the gay Mexican inside me, all right? What's with you in the gay- Whatever. Whatever. Okay. Back to color, daddy. Feminism is a problem. Feminism is how Marxism has definitely gotten root in the Western, got gotten a hold in the Western world. And I don't just mean, okay, women wanting to be able to go and go to school or whatever. I'm talking about the breakdown of gender norms, the breakdown of male, female roles and how they function in society. This shocked Dave Rubin. He was on my show in like 2016, I think. He's like, well, you're conservative, but you're more of a libertarian like me. For example, like, no, you'd support same-sex marriage. And I said, no, I don't. It sounds like coming at the front, though. A little bit. He's like, you seem-sex-sex. But everything. He was, what? I said, yeah, I don't. I'm against it. If you want to have civil unions, fine. I said, but I think that marriage is an institution that exists because we wanted to recognize a nuclear family as a central building block of the American way of life. And I don't think that men and women are fundamentally interchangeable. And if you declare that they are, that there's nothing a mother brings to a child that two fathers can't, and vice versa, I think that you're not going to like the gender-bending slope that you slide down. So, no, I'm against it. And it also, by the way, the same reason I'm against it is entirely consistent with, I do believe, when people say, interracial marriage, it used to be their arguments, is I believe that a black mom can provide everything to a child that a white mom can. Most of. Maybe not, like, you know, cholesterol lowering food, like, you know, it needs to be fried. But I don't believe that a black dad and a white dad are worlds apart. I believe that a mom and a dad are, okay. So that's why I say feminism started that, breaking down of the gender norms. And you can't say, yeah, yeah, yeah, whoever gets married, that's all fine. Love is love. And then have a problem with people declaring themselves to be another gender. I think it's very difficult to stake your claim there. But as it goes back to feminism, I use that because it's the biggest example. I'm trying to think of other big shows, young women have no good examples to look up to. We talk about men very often and it's true, but true men are lacking a lot of good examples. But here's a thing, men can kind of cobble it together from different people because there's usually something good. Like I've heard you talk about Andrew Tayden. And I've been around on the show. I don't know enough about the court case. I know that I would disagree with him on a whole lot. But he was a world champion kickboxer. And some of his advice is, get your shit together. Get in shape instead of bitching about what the world owes you. Get your finances together and make yourself someone that would be desirable to women. I think that all of us would go, okay, that part, a young man wouldn't be, wouldn't be worse off taking that advice, okay? Send then you look at Joe Rogan. I'm not into the DMT thing and stuff like that. Like some of the things he says, I disagree with, okay. But he also is a self-made person who came from a pretty rough upbringing and he talks about opportunity pulling yourself up by air boot straps. He talks about living a strenuous life. In other words, there are good things you could take from that. The caller daddy podcast, it's very typical of most of these. There is nothing good for women to pull from. It's sleep with as many men as you want. Put off marriage and having a family. Be a boss bitch. And if the guy doesn't want you, it's his problem and he has no right to ask your body count. And the only counter that you have to it is sort of the femme kind of thing. Andrew Wilson was on your show, they talk about on the right, where they claim to be traditional, but it's a gimmick. And ultimately, they still have these crazy unrealistic expectations of men and don't hold women accountable. Women, young women have no good examples available to them in mainstream media culture and many really bad examples being jammed down their throat. And that is something that people are going to have to reconcile at some point. - We've had a few women on the show who are really good. A Louise Perry, a Mary Harrington friend, but these are people who are not huge names. And I also think part of it, even with those people, the reason that some of them are not huge names. I mean, there's many reasons that I can't speak for. - I haven't seen them. I can guarantee you some of them aren't hot. - Well, that is something I'm definitely not going to comment on. Some of them, you don't have to say which one. I guarantee that at least one of them is not a bigger name because they're not hot. - Actually, what I was going to say, you're wrong, what I was going to say. - They're all hot, got it. I'm going to go back and check those names. - You do it. The reason that they're not actually big is quite often that what you were talking about, which is what you would describe as a healthy and productive way for a woman to be. Necessarily means she's unlikely to be a content creator and influencer because they're doing what my wife is doing, which is being a mom and a wife. - Right. - Right. And I think that's partly a structure. - You mean a tool of the patriarchy? - That's right. - A tool of victim, no victim of the patriarchy. - Right, well. - Oh no, she's a tool. - Yeah, you ever plowing the field? - Do I? - You should. - Yeah, I don't, I need to get a field. - You get a field, first get a note to self, get field, then have woman plow it. - Your point is better inspiration for young women and better messaging. - No, my point is there are not. - Yeah. - Yeah, and I say, I mean, go look for them. - Yeah. - And a big part of it is that women choose to elevate these people, but here's a big thing is, men will hold men accountable in a way that women don't tend to. Lindsey Clancy was a real, a lot of people said, these bitches is always as crazy, I go, yes. Not all of them, but more than you ever knew before, about half of Western women. Let's call it 30%. Yes. Yes, many of them think that Lindsey Clancy is innocent and that she deserves sympathy and that you're a part of the patriarchy. Look at no jurors. We're willing to find that person guilty. Except the black guy, which is their whole plan. - But with the one thing that I love about that, it's remember we were all like, oh, this poor loan hold out jurors, 10-packed black guy couldn't have cared less. Like, I don't give a fuck. It's probably making them give presentations. He's like, yeah, watch so many again, watch this. Bitch, get the fuck out of here. So yeah, it's, men will, I mean, men and war. You have to hold men accountable, right? Men have to hold each other accountable. Hey, our friend died, what happened? Who got it wrong? Mr. Pass, hey, you didn't catch it. You don't get to say, yeah, but I didn't mean to. And yeah, but intent. And yeah, how I feel, men constantly go through life in scenarios where we are held to account whether it's proactively done by our friend or not the situation does. Women can go a very long period of time and most do without encountering that. And so it's very easy to sell a lie in a fantasy. And I say, call her daddy because this is someone who said, you know, you should go out and slip as many guys and get that bag. And then by the way, also believes in retroactively removing consent, but she isn't living that way. She has a pretty wealthy husband or fiance and is now having a child. So she's advocating because this is what tells you is not how someone lives. It's what sells to women. What sells to women right now, the market is really bad. And there are no mainstream positive examples. And so if we want to fix the gender gap here. I mean, I run these things, I'll say this. I have something that I consistently reference in the show because I think everyone is saying, how do we fix this, right? The loneliness epidemic, loneliness epidemic. Men are checking out, but they're checking out for the first time. If you look at the polling data, men still want marriage in a family. Those are like their top two things. Women, it's like way down the list, like number 10, 11. There are two stats that matter. Because both sides say, yeah, it's actually you. You have these crazy expectations. And we're happy, women go, we're happier alone. You have to compete with the fact that we fulfill lives. And men are going, no, actually you have crazy expectations and we're fine with our hobbies. One has to be right. This comes to truth. We have the end beyond any shadow of a doubt the data. And I run these two graphs. I believe they're both graphs on screen all the time. There was one study where they had many, many women. Thousands, I think hundreds of thousands. I can't remember how many. Right, men on a scale from one to 10. And then they had men. Right scale, right women on a scale from one to 10. Now this goes to who has more unrealistic standards. Men rated the women, and it looked like a perfect bell curve. The women rated the men, and it was a reverse hockey stick. Over 80% of the men were below statistical average, at which point average is a meaningless word. And then, so we have the answer. Who has more unrealistic expectations? Women. It's not even close. Then we look at, OK, the loneliness epidemic. Who's happier? Compared to men, you can look at this chart. Women are consistently less happy in their becoming less happy by the year, while men are at the same rate or slightly happier. So we promised young women that they could have it all. And they did get everything except happiness and except fulfillment. And we can't correct it by brow beating men or by telling men that you know what, you need to listen more. And you know what, we need to approach this from a feminine angle. Everything that we have done, which has been tainted with feminism since the 1960s, it's made women more delusional, and it's made them significantly less happy. So if you want men to stop checking out of the dating pool, we want to have a country. If we want to have babies, there needs to be a conversation with women. And it needs to come from women, because no vagina, no opinion, unless you're trans. There we go. Stephen, thank you so much for coming on. Head on over to TriggerPod.co.uk, where we're going to ask Stephen your questions. Oh, boy. Is there an area of modern life where you think the free market genuinely fails to produce a satisfactory outcome? And what would you do about it? Guys, let us take a minute to recommend another podcast. Did you know the average podcast listener has six shows in rotation? So you're most likely not just listening to TriggerPod. Wait, so we know you're cheating on us? 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