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The Psychology of Getting Rich

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The Psychology of Getting Rich

The podcast argues that wealth creation is not about finding perfect investments but about mastering time through the "Wealth Time Engine," which rests on three foundations: math, habits, and biology. The math foundation shows that compounding requires long-term holding—Warren Buffett's bet and real estate examples demonstrate that time in the market beats timing it. The "Rule of Three Decades" provides a simple path: build a war chest, let it compound, then live off 4%. Habits involve controlling the lifestyle tax (spending less than you earn), resisting social pressure to inflate spending, and avoiding bad investments by using filters like investment rationale and x-ray. The biology foundation explains that fear and loss aversion are hardwired to cause panic selling, but investors can counter this by creating rules based on data (e.g., not selling for 90 days after a 20% drop) and adopting an infinite time horizon. The key message is that wealth is the gap between income and ego multiplied by time, and mastering these three foundations allows ordinary people to build lasting wealth through patience and discipline.

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Here's the Sharan Treevast. So welcome back to the Business School podcast. And everyone thinks that Welp comes from finding a perfect deal, a perfect investment. You think about the best stock or the best real estate deal or some big next hot shot start-up opportunity. But what if that is the wrong game that you're playing entirely? So if Welp isn't really about investing, then what is it actually about? It is actually about the Welp time engine. And this is how normal people like you and me can hopefully create the wealth that we always dreamed of. I honestly wish we were taught all of this in school, but I had to learn it the hard way, so I'm breaking it all down for you step by step, starting right now. One thing is for certain, just because it's tried and true doesn't mean it's working right now. So the big question is this, where can you learn what is working right now? The strategies, the tactics, the psychology and the exact how to go your business. How to blow up your personal brand and supercharge your personal growth. That is the question and this podcast will give you the answer. My name is Sharon Trivata and welcome to Business School. You've been taught that building Welp is about finding the right investment, the perfect stock or the best grade return, but you're playing the wrong game entirely. The real game isn't about picking investments, it's actually about time. Let me show you the three foundations we need to understand in order to build Welp. I call this the Welp Time Engine. The first foundation is math. To understand this part, you need to know what compounding is. Here is a simple formula that explains it. Money multiplied by time equals wealth, meaning when you combine money and time, you get wealth. So here's what this looks like in practice. In this stock market, 10 specific days contain half your returns. You just don't know which 10. If you're not invested in the market on those days, you lose the lottery. The only way to win is to never leave. Meaning it's not about timing the market, it's about time in the market. Here's a different example. In 2007, Warren Buffett made a bet. He said that a simple index fund left alone for 10 years would outperform any hedge fund in the world. To give you some perspective, hedge funds are the most sophisticated financial shops in the world. They have armies of analysts work from complex investment strategies on our constantly trading. They do whatever it takes to make more money. The results 10 years later was that the S&P returned 85% and the hedge funds just average 22%. Buffett has been proving the same point since 1965. Berkshire Hathaway compounded at 19.9% annually for almost 60 years by doing one thing, buying quality companies and holding them forever. By the way, this works for real estate too. When I first got into real estate, I became a flipper. Meaning I would get the deal, I would rehab the property, I would sell it, I would take the profit and I would move on to the next one. Over five years, I flipped about 100 homes and made good money. At the same time, my friend did something completely different. He started with one single family property. A couple years later, he bought a fourplex which is four units. He waited a little longer, pulled some money out of it and he bought a 20 unit complex. He never flipped anything. He just held them, refinanced them what the time was right and pulled money out and bought more of them. At the end of those five years, I had flipped 100 plus homes and he owned 20 units. His net worth was five times that of mine. The lesson for me here was that while I was chasing these quick returns, he was using time as his business partner. So here's what this means for you. Stop asking what's the best investment right now? Start asking what's a good investment I can hold for the next 10, 20 or even 30 years. Let me give you a simple framework. I call it the rule of three decades. Here's how it works. Decade one. Build the war chest meaning earn more and spend less. Decade two. It's compound meaning don't touch it. And decade three, live off of four percent. So you take your annual spending multiplied by 25 and that is your financial freedom number. Let's say you spend $100,000 a year. Then your number is $2.5 million. At $2.5 million invested, you can withdraw 4% every year and you theoretically never run out. There are three things that control your freedom number. Number one, how much money you make. Number two, how much money you spend. Number three, how long you leave it alone. And the longer you leave it alone, the more it grows. The second foundation is habits. This part of the engine is made up of three parts. Number one, the lifestyle tax. Number two, social pressure. And number three, bad investments. First habit is the lifestyle tax. And here's what that looks like in real life. When I got into entrepreneurship, I made no money. So my wife and I agreed to something simple to live off of one income. Only because we had no choice. So her income at that time paid for our baseline lifestyle, then to allow me to hit the home runs. The best part is this. Even after we hit the home runs, multiple times we never changed that model. We lived off of the same fixed expenses for 14 years. And because we separated those two buckets, we've been able to compound our investments without any breaks. But here's what most people do. They earn more. So they spend more. The lifestyle expands with their paycheck. And suddenly, there's not anything left to invest. Let me show you how crazy this gets. Take a high earner making $500,000 a year. Let's say they're saving 5% of their income. That's $25,000 a year going into investments. Now take someone earning less at $150,000 a year. And let's say they serve 35% a year. That's $52,500 a year going into investments. The person making 3 times less is investing 2 times more. And after 20 years at 7%, guess who's wealthier? The person making 3 times less money. That's crazy, right? The second habit is something you need to avoid. When you're making money, it's common that your lifestyle expenses rise with your income. But let me tell you about when the income train suddenly stops. Mike Tyson meets over $400 million in his career. His lifestyle rose to match that income with houses and cars and tigers and an entourage. Then the income stopped, but the lifestyle didn't. In 2003, he filed for bankruptcy, owing $23 million. The problem wasn't that he made $400 million. The problem was that his lifestyle expenses never stopped expanding. He was so worried about his status and trying to keep up his appearance that he had no buffer between his income and his spending. So when the income dried up, there was really nothing left. You can even see this with NFL players. 78% are in similar circumstances within just 2 years of leaving the league. They made a high income for 3 to 5 years. Their lifestyle rose to match it and then the income stopped. But they kept spending at that level so they went broke. The pattern is always the same. High income, zero habits around the spending, lifestyle keeps expanding until there's nothing left. And you are financially responsible for the decisions you make. It's not about your income, it's about whether you protect the buffer or let your lifestyle overwhelm you. Let me share a story about Ronald Reed. He was a janitor from Vermont. He drove a used car, he bought his own firewood and he clipped coupons. And when he died in 2014, his estate was worth $80 million. And here's the part that floors me. He gave most of it to his local library and hospital. People who had even known him for decades had no idea that he had that much money. It was the same market everyone had access to. He had just bought shares of blue chip American companies that he understood and he simply never sold them. Now I'm not asking you to clip coupons or drive a used car. I explained that to make a point about his discipline. You should do whatever makes you happy but you have to understand that there's a trade off. Wealth is a gap between your income and your ego multiplied by time. Ronald Reed just had a very small ego and a very long time to make compounding work for him. The third habit is bad investments. Most people are afraid of making bad investments. They don't want to invest in the wrong thing or maybe they just get excited by the next big stock. The real problem is that they don't know how to make the decision. You see things on the news or you hear about what your friends are doing and without a system you either freeze up or you chase whatever sounds good in the moment. The reason you feel like you might make a bad investment is because you don't have a filter for choosing a good one. There are two ways to build that filter. The first is investment rationale. If you're already invested in something you can build a rule for yourself. Something like I don't touch my investments for 90 days after the market has dropped 20 percent because in the last 50 years it has always made 40% or more and may double the money. The second is investment x-ray. When you're evaluating a new investment you run it through a checklist. The investment x-ray looks at four dimensions and gives you a score out of 25 for each one. Number one capital preservation. Number two tax efficiency. Number three growth. And number four yield. Both of these filters are just tools to help you avoid bad investments. But if you want to keep your habits in check you need to know your wealth buffer. So take what you earn, subtract what you spend and that number expressed as a percentage of your income is your wealth buffer. So if you make $10,000 a month and you spend $7,000 your buffer is $3,000 that's 30%. Under 20% 20% of your lifestyle is good, anything over 30% compounding starts to work faster for you. The third foundation is biology. This is your internal wiring that makes you chase shiny things and pull your money out too early. Even with perfect math and solid habits, your brain can still trick you. This is biology. In fact, this is one of the most research fields of neuroscience. Your brain has a fear center called the amygdala. When it detects a threat, it hijacks your entire nervous system. It overrides logic and overrides reason and it forces you into fight or flight. This is the reason why you have people panic selling and pull their money out too early. And what's crazy is that the financial markets are professionally designed to trigger this response. It's like a casino where Wall Street is the house and all the investors are just the gamblers. Take a look at the stock charts or financial news. They put the numbers in red and so your brain associates red with danger, with blood, with stop sign. Even the sounds are borrowed from emergencies. Your nervous system can never tell the difference between a market dip or a fire alarm. Or take the headlines that you read. The language is engineered to trigger fear and not help you make decisions. Have you ever wondered why it's like this? It's because a financial media isn't designed to help you invest. It's designed to keep you watching. And fear is the most reliable way to do that. But there's another layer to this. It's called loss aversion. Real economists have even documented it and there are hundreds of books on this topic. It's when the pain of loss hits you twice as hard as a joy of a similar gain. Which means a $10,000 loss hurts twice as much as a $10,000 gain feels like. So your brain is wired to avoid that pain at all costs. And in a market dip, that wiring squeans out to you to sell. But you need to recognize that this is your biology working against you. The best investors recognize this feeling and have learned to treat it as information rather than letting their fear response dictate their actions. Warren Buffett once said, "Be greedy when others are fearful." And in the global financial crisis in September 2008, he was doing just that. He did the opposite of what fear was telling him to do. He invested $5 billion into Goldman Sachs. He invested $3 billion into GE and he wrote an op-ed in the New York Times title, Buy American. I am. Well, everyone else was selling. He was buying and he even told the world about it in the New York Times op-ed. I was even working at Goldman Sachs as all of this was happening. So here's what you really need to understand. The concept of fear and greed is so in our length that we actually have the CNN fear and greed index. When people are curious about when to buy or when to sell, we have an index to show that. But here's a difference between people who build wealth and people who chase it. Most people are focused on short-term wins. They're looking at quarterly metrics and trying to beat the market every three months. And then they try to stack those wins on each other. It sounds like a good idea to start, but it actually doesn't work. Every time you move money, you pay taxes and fees. Think of taxes and fees as a toll-boot on a highway. Every exit and re-entry is another toll-boot on the highway to compounding city. The more you trade, the more tolls you pay. The more tolls you pay, the less time and money actually has to compound. Time in the market beats timing the market. I learned this the hard way with my own fund. For the first five years, we barely beat the S&P 500. Then we completely changed our time horizon. Instead of a five-year time horizon, we asked, "What if we held for a hundred years?" Everything changed. We stopped looking for the next opportunity and we became permanent owners. And that's when compounding took over for us and we had our ten best years ever, just by changing our time horizon. Warm Buffet says, "Is ideal holding period is forever." But forever is the only time horizon that eliminates the trigger for your fear response entirely. When you've already decided that you're never going to sell, the red numbers and the headlines just don't matter. You can just ignore them and let time do its job. So here's the method to help you beat the fear response. Let's go back to the investment rationale. Let me break down exactly how to use it. Before you invest in anything, answer for questions. Number one, why do I own this? Meaning what is your plan? Why this asset or this company? What do you understand about it that makes you so confident to hold it for a long period of time? Number two, what am I expecting to happen? Are you expecting the revenue to grow? Are you expecting market expansion? Maybe a dividend? I want you to be specific. Number three, how long am I holding this? Meaning what is your time horizon? Is it five years or 10 years or 20 years? Number four, when would I sell? Definitely not when you're scared. Definitely not when the price drops. When would you actually exit this position? What would have to change about your plan for you to sell? You should even build rules around this. Something like, I don't touch my investments for 90 days after the market drops 20%. In the last 50 years, every cap of the market has dropped 20% as recovered 40% or more and doubled the money. Rule is based on data and when fear is overwhelming the market and everything is screaming at you to sell, that rule becomes your default behavior. If you want to build real wealth, you need to master time. And the only way to master time is to master the three foundations of the wealth time engine. Hey, this is Sean. I have an awesome free gift for you just for listening to the podcast. As you may know, I've got a chance to build two billion dollar companies a hard way. So if you liked this episode, you will love getting the exact playbooks from those wins. It's on my sub stack called My Next Billion. It has the exact frameworks I wish someone had given me when I was figuring it all out. Now you get the real lessons from the trenches as I go for a three-peat and build the next billion. So everything's free at MyNextBillion.com. Please check it out. MyNextBillion.com. (upbeat music)

Podcast Summary

Key Points:

  1. Wealth is built through time in the market, not timing the market; compounding requires leaving investments alone for decades.
  2. The "Rule of Three Decades" framework
  3. Habits like avoiding lifestyle inflation (lifestyle tax), resisting social pressure, and avoiding bad investments are critical; wealth is the gap between income and ego multiplied by time.
  4. The brain's biology (amygdala and loss aversion) triggers fear during market dips, leading to panic selling; successful investors override this with rules and long-term horizons.
  5. Use an "investment rationale" with four questions (why own, what to expect, hold duration, when to sell) and rules like not selling for 90 days after a 20% market drop.

Summary:

The podcast argues that wealth creation is not about finding perfect investments but about mastering time through the "Wealth Time Engine," which rests on three foundations: math, habits, and biology. The math foundation shows that compounding requires long-term holding—Warren Buffett's bet and real estate examples demonstrate that time in the market beats timing it. The "Rule of Three Decades" provides a simple path: build a war chest, let it compound, then live off 4%.

Habits involve controlling the lifestyle tax (spending less than you earn), resisting social pressure to inflate spending, and avoiding bad investments by using filters like investment rationale and x-ray. , not selling for 90 days after a 20% drop) and adopting an infinite time horizon. The key message is that wealth is the gap between income and ego multiplied by time, and mastering these three foundations allows ordinary people to build lasting wealth through patience and discipline.

FAQs

The main idea is that building wealth isn't about finding the perfect investment, but about mastering time through three foundations: math, habits, and biology.

Compounding is explained by the formula money multiplied by time equals wealth. It shows that time in the market beats timing the market, as demonstrated by Warren Buffett's bet and the example of holding investments long-term.

The rule of three decades is: Decade one—build a war chest by earning more and spending less. Decade two—compound by not touching investments. Decade three—live off 4% of your investments annually.

Lifestyle habits like the lifestyle tax (spending more as you earn more) can hinder wealth. Maintaining a high wealth buffer (income minus spending as a percentage) and avoiding social pressure to overspend are crucial for compounding.

The two filters are investment rationale (setting rules like not touching investments for 90 days after a 20% drop) and investment x-ray (scoring investments on capital preservation, tax efficiency, growth, and yield).

The amygdala triggers fear responses like panic selling during market dips, as financial media and red numbers are designed to provoke fear. Investors must recognize this and use rules to override their biology.

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