The Practical Approach to AI

There will be AI influencers that are not real people that are owned by entrepreneurs that are going to get brand deals that a lot of people that are listening right now make their money that way and that's real life. But there was also almost a hundred thousand people that sold advertising in the yellow pages before Google put them out of business. Like things are always happening in our society and I think it's the same thing as always. There will be people that will learn how to use AI and that will be good and many great things will happen with AI. God forbid someone you to love has a disease that a normal human being doctor could not figure out that AI will figure out and you will be very happy in 17 years that AI was invented. This is the GaryVee audio experience. So we have you on the hot seat today. This is the hot seat? Yeah. Okay. I think we're just hot in the studio. I think we just hop right into it first time to say congratulations. Thank you. And the marriage moment. Yes. I know. She loves you too. AI. Yes. Everyone's breaking out about it. I like your positive spin on it. What's your positive spin? My positive spin is practical. I don't know if it's so positive. I think it's this is actually nice. There's a lot of electricity in this room. Very good lighting. Do you know that when electricity was invented and like kind of like available that most people would not bring it into their home, even though they could afford it and could because they demonized it because the word on the street was if you brought electricity into your home, it would bring demons. This is literally like five minutes ago. This is like the literally early 1900s. You know, like humans are scared of everything. It's what we do. Hey, everybody. I hope you're enjoying the podcast right now. Make sure you follow the podcast. That's why I'm interrupting. Let's keep going on this show, but follow the podcast. They'll make my mom super happy. Do you remember when my space came out and they said, don't go on it because you're going to get kidnapped at them all. Like we demonize everything. Now look, this is a profound technology. There will be AI influencers that are not real people that are owned by entrepreneurs that are going to get brand deals that a lot of people that are listening right now, make their money that way. And that's real life. But there was also almost 100,000 people that sold advertising in the yellow pages before Google put them out of business. Like things are always happening in our society. And I think it's the same thing as always. There will be people that will learn how to use AI and that will be good. And many great things will happen with AI. There will be things that people don't like, right? I'm very empathetic to people like the robots and like this and like a police state or, you know, I'm an influencer. I make my money like this or something. I don't know if people understand you two are building a podcast network. That is taking money away from people that work at radio stations. This is called life. There's there's hanging yang to everything. And more importantly, and I need everyone to hear this. It's not going to not happen like this. This is not a strategy for life. Like AI is coming. And everyone who's listening has a couple of decisions. Like, okay, let's go back to the influencer because I think it's contextual to this. You're listening right now and you're like, fuck, like, you know, Gary V's been a lot right a lot. So he's probably right. Like, I'm in trouble. You might not be in trouble. You might be a fitness influencer who happens to be attractive, who has 500,000 followers and has, you know, built this micro business. But if you're listening to me, maybe you decide to spend 30, 40 hours, 100 hours getting educated on how to create AI influencers. And you might create your AI puppy, roof roof, and start integrating roof roof, the AI dog into your content and roof roof might go crazy. And you might make a million dollars a year from pet brands because of roof roof instead of $80,000 a year from supplements. It sounds like the ones that are going to win or the ones that use it as a tool to enhance what they're already doing. Yes, yes, like the computer, like the internet, like social media, like, it sounds great. It's like a hundred assistants. It's not going to stop or slow down. So you might as well just, honestly, that's my big thing. It's kind of like life. Like, I don't know if you guys know this, like, everybody in the room, all six of us, we're going to die. I don't know if you know this, but we're going to die. Yes, good morning. We are going to die at some point. Yes, it's stunning. My big thing is, if you know that, why not, like, try to, like, live a joyful life? And like, can we get out of all this materialistic and keeping up with the joy? Like, you're going to be 90. And I promise you how many likes and how many verified accounts and how many zeros in your bank account and how many watches and how many sneakers and handbags you have, it's not going to be it. And so, like, for me, and you guys have known me a long time at this point, I've always been uncomfortably detached from all of the Gary V of it and the six. Like, I just want to live a happy life and, like, be nice and enjoy it and, like, watch my Jets lose and, you know, hang out with friends. And just, like, that philosophical point of view on life is kind of how I'm trying to get everybody to understand AI. This is going to happen. It's happened. And you can sit there and be crippled right now, listening to the world and saying, like, "Robots are going to kill me. I'm going to lose my job." Or something I believe in, which is that bothers people. I believe that someone in this room's grandchildren are going to marry an AI human. Really? Yeah. I think that lovely baby you just had the other day? Likely could marry an AI robot. I feel like I would sabotage that. I think you'd try until you realize the robot was way more powerful than you. Maybe I'll have a second hat, you know what I'm saying is the world is going to change. But I will say this, if you're a great, great grandmother, if AI created a potion that you could put into graves and people start popping out of them and they're alive, and you're a great, great grandmother. You were, like, very excited about this. I'm like, here it is. This new invention in 20 years. If she popped up and looked around, she'd be like, "What the fuck is going on?" Right? Like, the world changes. Like cavemen lived once. Like, we used to not have planes. No one had a television just 150 years ago. Like, it's like, I don't know how people don't understand evolution and like, technology. Like, what do you think? Just because you're alive right now and listening to this podcast, the world stops storing your life. Shit's going to change. The rules constantly get rewritten because of technology. And here are the fuck we are. Why do you think people are so afraid of uncertainty? Because most people are insecure. Why? Because most people are not parented well. You think that's the root of it. I do. I think parenting is uncomfortably important. How do you think about parenting? By trying to realize I was remarkably parented around optimism but accountability. And I try to reenact those kind of behaviors with my children while understanding their circumstances are very different than mine. Right? My kids live a very different life than I did. You know, not forget about the wealth and the technology and just like, the parenting, like, every dynamic is different. Like, you know, the sibling count. How many cousins? I have no cousins. They have unlimited cousins. Like, you know, they have a dad who is like publicly known. My son thinks it's cool. My daughter hates it. Like, life. Like, you know, like, I don't know, like, but what I focus on is definitely what my mom did well, which was unconditional love. But not this fucking delusion shit. Like, parents overreact like your parents, your kids can't do everything. Telling a child you could do anything. You could be anything actually makes them not believe you eventually. Michael can't be a basketball player. Nor can I, but he can be a male model. Look at this fucking face. Look at this mother fucker's face. No, I, you know, I find your husband very attractive. He's a good looking dude. What do you want from me? What do you, like, and so, and by the way, a lot of other people can't be a male model. Like, and other people can be like, you know, an Olympian or a cook. Like, I, you know, anyway, parenting has overcorrected. Most parents, listen, the world is at its best. Companies are at their best. Relationships are at their best. The world is at its best when it's purple. And the world has gotten remarkably good in being an extremely red and extremely blue. And that is why shit's fucked up. I wanted to talk, like you said, we've known you a long time now and you know this. We've admired you for our entire careers. I'm just loving even out there. But one of the things that we admire most and I'm what's talking about me, these no-cars is you have always had a perspective of focusing on the positive. Even when a lot of the world and a lot of what's online focuses on the negative to your point of red and blue. And I would love for you to share how you came to that perspective is that a parenting thing. And also why you think it's so much more productive to think that way, even though so many people are drawn to focus on that shit. It's funny how I'm smiling. There's not one person listening nor in this room right now that is confused by the concept of why it's more productive to focus on positive or negative. Like when you're laying in your bed, doom scrolling and tearing up and being scared, like you think you're doing anything? Like what good is coming of that? Yes, it's fully parenting in the luck of DNA. My sister's only three and a half years younger than me. My mom parented, I watched my mom parent, both of us, I'm much more positive to my sister. So what do you think you said three and a half years different? I think that's just DNA. Like I think my sister has a little bit more of my father, my grandma and her, and I have more of my mother in me. So like DNA is real. Like DNA is real. Like it's part of it now. What I don't like is when people use the excuse of DNA to not work on making it better. In my DNA, I had, from both of my parents and everyone in my family, the complete lack of interest of working out in any shape or form. My family, I've never saw anyone in my family in my life. Yes, go to the gym. I at 38 and a half, I love that I always say half. It's like I'm six and a half at 38 and a half. I just had an epiphany of like, oh fuck, if I don't address this, I will not live to 100. I still might not. I love when people are like, well, a tree can fall in your head. Yes, a tree can fall on your head. But what is guaranteed is if you eat like shit and never go to the gym and never build up muscle, that bad shit will happen. And I took it on me to some brother. I missed my workout this morning. Literally texted Mike at 630. I was like, I'm going to sleep in because I felt like I needed sleep. But that's my excuse. That's how much I hate the gym. Even though I've been crushing it lately, I'm pretty happy. And I'm a seven days. Because if I miss a day like I did today, like now tomorrow is going to be harder. So you don't want to schedule three days, miss a day, and you're like, yes. I do, but you miss a day that you have. I'm seven. I'm seven. But, but I'm not, you know, for all the health and wellness nerds, like, you know, one day's a stretch day. Like, I'm doing like, you know, fascia work. Like it's not seven days of weights because your body can break down. You're just doing something, I do. Yes. But I even know my DNA like this morning. It wants to be a pus when it comes to going to the gym. I've worked hard for 12 years. And now it's a real part of my life. And I massively felt the benefits of it. I would, I am so thrilled that I did this forget about like the vanity of your physical, like how you feel. Just like I'm so much healthier. I had QL issues. My blood pressure, like, and now with Mona, like completely changing, like, I don't eat like Mona. Mona is the most disciplined eater on earth. On earth. On earth. On earth. Actually, I've met a lot of disciplined eaters. She's the most disciplined. No, no, you don't understand the things we do. Like, if it's like an imagine, tell us some things that you do. We go two hours out of our way on the way to the airport and have to wake up at five instead of seven to get like parsnip-based cream cheese in some random neighborhood where some like psycho, like hippie lady makes it. And you have to show up at like six, like, like, we, our life revolves around Mona's access to clean. But she also, I think too, and I think he's talked about this before. Doesn't she like turn your wife off at night now? Oh, yeah, clean. Like the deodorant I'm wearing right now has no scent. Like, I go, like, when I travel right now, like to a hotel and like, have the shampoo that's in there, like now it smells like insane to me before it wasn't even on my mind. That's crazy, that happened to me too, because she got to work. Because when you clean up the environment, you start to notice how many toxins there are and it, you know, it's just getting inhibitors. Out of all the people in the world to like have this happen to them is so fucking funny that it's happened to you because she cleaned up your entire environment and now you're sensitive to shampoo's in a hotel. Yeah. That's amazing. But I'm also not as disciplined as her. Like, like, I happily ate every little appetizer that was given to me last night at this bougie private equity event I went to. And like, all of it would make Mona's head spin of like anger. Like, meaning like, I'm so much better. But anyway, long-winded way to say, my DNA is my DNA, but I've put in real work on the things that have not come natural to me, eating discipline, gym, uh, candor. Like, I've talked a lot about that. We think we talked about them the last time. Like, I can now be candorous with my employees in a world where I used to hate that. It doesn't come natural to me to tell people what they're not good at. I try to go around it and make it better. So like, I'm now in a place in my life where I've won over things that don't come natural to me, which then makes me passionate to go on podcasts like this and put out content saying, you can change. Like, if you're laying right now and you're cynical and negative, if you recalibrate what you listen to, who you hang out with, what you do over a course of a year or five years, ten years, you can change. People change. If people didn't change, I would not make content. Oh, actually, I've never said that before. That was, that actually just, I felt that was cool. That's right. If people did not have the ability to change, I would not be known in any shape or form because I would not be intoxicated like I am to say something that can change the course of someone's life. Do you know what it feels like every time I see you? It's probably cool because yes. Literally started this blog reading your books. I know that. It feels like it's emotional to me. For us on our side in a, maybe in a different way. Correct. In the way that I feel about my mom when I see her, which is like, you are the architect of all of this. I get all the flowers, but I, the reason I'm completely detached from GaryVee or that I use humility as my superpower is because I actually don't believe on anything other than what my mom created. Like, one of the reasons I like getting flowers is in my brain and my soul. It's like, Gary, you're the best and I'm like, Tamara, you're the best. Like, you know. Probably cool soon to see people who have applied your formula and the formula works. That's probably the coolest. Well, let's get into the real stuff. What about on a weekly basis, people that are telling me about how deep they were into drug abuse, alcohol abuse, suicidal thoughts? Do you know what I mean? Over the last 10 years, have told me they've stopped physically abusing their woman because of my content? Do you know what that feels like? You guys know me. I have no interest in the Rolex, in the Lambo, in the private jet. Like, as the entrepreneurs go and as one of the OGs of them all and so many derivatives of what happened, most are different than me. Most want the stuff. Most need the stuff. I don't judge, by the way. God bless. I'm pumped for people that get off on having a Porsche or a Lambo. I always tell those friends why do you want it? Which, by the way? You know, like, are you using it because you're insecure with girls and you think you need it to get them? Are you insecure with the world and you want to show the world fuck you? I made it. Or do you just genuinely like the horsepower of your Porsche? And that's your toy the same way. I like Jets jerseys, like, I don't know. But I wonder why? As a man, you are one of the people that got me as a young guy to stop thinking about that kind of stuff in that kind of way. For sure. That is true. That is true. That is true. That is true. They don't know. I mean, I don't have a midlife crisis. I had a quarterly crisis. And I have to go through it and you did help them. No, but I think a lot of guys, especially men, you know, you get enticed by the thing because you think it's a flex that is then going to help you get the girl a little bit accolades or the adventure or whatever it is. That's right. You chase those things and you quickly realize that there's no fulfillment in those things. It's short. It's short. It's short. And it's a vulnerability. And to me, I want to get to the crux, which is it's a pattern you'll keep repeating unless you understand what's really in there. And the answer is it's insecurity. And I do think it's parenting. I do think it's societal. Like, you know, America, for example, is a very mature empire. You know, mature empires get vulnerable because we start worrying about dumb shit because we're not worried about basic shit. When you're a third world country, you're worried about food. You know, like, I'm on the board of pencils, a promise and charity water. Those are my two foundational nonprofits. You just drank that Saratoga. There's 880 million people. I really need everyone to like really lock in here if you're on the podcast, like slow down your treadmill. There's 880 million people on earth that do not have access to clean water. There's 10% of the humans that walk earth right now cannot get to clean water within four hours. Literally, as we sit here right now, there is a woman, a 60-year-old woman with a fucking ceramic pot. Do you know how the ceramic pot is? On her head walking for four miles in the heat to get clean water because she has a 13-year-old daughter who's going to have her period and she needs clean water so she doesn't fucking die. And we're worried about like what milk went into our fucking Starbucks or how many followers we got this week or like, like, this is how I'm structured. Like, I cannot complain if my, if the out, like, in our world, like, Gary, like, the algorithm's fucking shadow band. I'm not getting as many views. You're not shadow band. Your content is tired and stale and you fucking suck at social right now and you once were good at it. No one's shadow band. It's that you are not interesting to people right now. And that's okay. I've gone through that. I've gone through, like, I laugh. Like, do you know how much I laugh when people come up, like, strangers will walk up to me at the airport and be like, I'm 80. I'm still young. Like, like, I've made my points on a lot of stuff. I appreciate the people that skipped this podcast, your podcast, your fans, when they see my name on here because they're like, well, I've heard the other two and like, like, I've seen his, like, I don't need to listen to it. That doesn't bother me, right? Like, it's not how I think about things. It's not outside validation. It's not these vanity metrics. We've become incredibly materialistic. And again, I love when people appreciate things. Like, I really love my baseball cards, right? Like, I love them. I know them fashion, right? I'm like, like, Mona, like, well, look at Shipper four. She's fascinated by the craftsmanship or like, what it would look like or that's fine, but needing a fucking Prada bag to make people think you're that person. That's what I'm worried about. It's the thinking that the thing is going to convince people that you are a value of that, of that thing. Yes. And that your value is tied to whatever material thing. Everyone's stuck in middle school forever. Everyone's stuck in middle school. Like, what, who gives a fuck of someone doesn't like you? That means, now, a couple things. Let me break that down. Who gives a fuck of someone doesn't like you? If you know you're a good person and many others like you, then you're good. Now, if no one likes you, you got a problem. It means you're bad. It means you're insecure. It means, like, it's not the world's fault. I said something yesterday that made me laugh. I was like, if you've been fired four times in a row now, like, you're the problem. Like, because, you know, people love a good blaming the boss. I mean, I've had people literally steal for me. And then all the employees just think I was bad for firing them because they made up some bullshit story and I didn't want to put their fucking stealing on blast. How do you deal with managing all those employees? You have a lot of employees. I talked to you about this off air. What's the strategy? Intent? Yeah. Is a big one for me. Like, my intent is to build a good healthy organization that rewards people that are excelling an effort or output. I also have a lot of grace. Like, I'm very anti-firing. I'm into fixing, but I've gotten better at being okay with firing. That was my weakness in my 20s and 30s. You know, everything was family. Now, I call it family dot, dot, dot, business. Yeah. Not like a family business because, you know, at the end of the day, like, you know, I wouldn't, I don't fire my sister. So like, you know, just all these things I've learned along the way, but like, you know, trying to build demand and top line revenue, trying to build systems of accountability, but creating a culture of kind candor, want people to feel safe at Vayner. I love making people feel safe. I have to be careful because my big vulnerability is super hero syndrome, where I'm just going to take care of everything. So that's something I try to watch out for. One of the things that I love most about you that I think is so attractive is that you're so comfortable with your energy and yourself. How would you tell people to get to that place? Listen, this has been the theme of this talk. This is why it's fun to continue to show up to places that are home. So it's nice to be with you guys. You never know where the combo will actually go. This is the theme of today. Like, I don't know how to break through to all of you that are listening, but I desperately ask you deeply. I pray on you. Like, deeply, I ask you, you've got to understand that everybody else sucks, too. That's the, yes, that's the answer. What do you mean? Meaning, like, why are you nitpicking? Why am I comfortable with myself? Because I like myself. And I'm very accountable that I have very many shortcomings. Because I don't know, I'm a human. Like, all of you have many shortcomings. Many. And she reminds you of all of yours constantly. Yeah, yeah, she just get told. And, and I promise all of you, everyone is sure, whoever you admire the most. My sister definitely put me on an uncomfortably big like pedestal. I was a, I'm very, I'm knocking on wood. I don't know why I'm so grateful. I was a very good big brother. I think that happens with, I was just three years younger. I think that happens. Yeah, especially if you're a good person. And like, you really, I really did right by my sister. And we have like 13 of those classic stories of like things that I'm very proud of. But like, I'm like, I got happy in the last 10 years where my sister started to like see me for having some shortcomings. That was like good for me. Like, I was happy for her. Like, because I don't, I think the most unhappy people, and not that my sister was so unhappy, but I know her unhappiness was grounded in her putting me and my mom on a pedestal that was too high. And I ask all of you to put no one on a pedestal. Even if, listen, I put people on pedestals, but not too high. Like, I, you know this. I've talked about my, I've already done it multiple times. I think my mom is like the single best mother of all time. And yet, I'm very aware of her shortcomings. Many she passed on to be DNA wise. And so, why am I comfortable? It's because I know everyone else has shortcomings too. And I also know I have no negative intent towards others. What are your shortcomings? Candor. Candor? Candor has been the kryptonite of my life. What do you mean? Candor and being able to tell people what you really think? Yeah, which is bananas because as a public figure, it's my ultimate strength. Because when I'm on this podcast, I'm talking to 8.3 billion people. Even you guys have now crossed over into a friendship place where it would be harder for me to tell you something real. Because I have, I need to pick your brain up in this room. They'll be praying. They don't say pick your brain. I hate when people say that. Okay, pick your mind. No, no, no, no, no, no. Say pick your brain. Or she says dumb shit too. Yeah, you're like, oh, don't build him up too. I know her so well. She's like, don't do it, Gary. Candor crushed me. Everything bad in my life, in my life, personally and professionally, was because I was not able to tell someone I cared for what I actually thought. And I tried to get around it and I tried to figure it out and put it all on me without realizing resentment was being built and my issues in my life have been around that. And then, you know, about five, six, seven, maybe eight years ago, it started to really come to ahead in both my professional and personal life. I realized my company had become entitled. I want to talk to you about that breaking current. I realized some of my relationships were not where they needed to be. And, you know, at 42, 43, I was like, uh-oh. It was actually great. Like, this is why I wish on everyone. I wish everyone can face their truth. And so, candor has been massive. I used kryptonite because I do think I was uncomfortably blessed with DNA and parenting and circumstance. Not only did I have the greatest mother who gave me all of her great traits and I took my dad's best traits. These are a big joke in my family that I was first and I just kind of rolled up on my mom and dad and just took all their best shit because I was first. And like, really, I, you know, I really, um, it's really, it's really wild. Like, I'm, you know, I speak about this like the touch from it, but it is very clear if you knew everything about me. Like, if we hang out in heaven, where you can get every answer, if they like, if there was some AI graph up there and I was like, what did Gary take from his parents? His parents have good and bad attributes. What did he take? It's like 98% good. Like, I took all the good shit from book and my dad has a ton of bad shit. And I love him, but he has a lot of shortcomings. And by the way, I'm not mad at him because I knew my grandma real well and she parented him and she had those same things. And you want to hear something even crazier because everybody in Russia had kids at 20. I knew my great grandma well. And she gave it to my grandpa. So I always say this. My favorite keynote speech moment, maybe of my career was at V-con, two or three, two. And my opening line to the keynote, like 10,000 people in the crowd. I'm like, I just want to start with fuck your grandparents. And like the crowd was like, shook. Everyone in the crowd is like, what the fuck is going on? And my point was a lot of you right now in the crowd are struggling because you're mad at one of your parents. And you don't have the grace or empathy or compassion to your parent to realize one of their parents did it to them. This is my favorite topic in the world. I actually have a meditation that I do about this every day. It's just having grace and forgiveness for the fact that you're right that there probably is something that the grandparents agree. Not probably. There is. What your parent did to you is what one of their, like, and you know what pisses me off is like, you're like, oh, grandma. Because grandma now is, I mean, by the way, a lot of times grandma is sweet to you because she's still fucking, you know, a person or daughter. Correct. It's one of the two. It's either they're like, fuck, they're trying to make amends with you, the grandchild, or believe it or not, they're still in it. And they want you to side with this is fucked up, but it's real. They want granddaughter to side with grandma on this fucking 40 year debate. So they're sweet to you. So you're like, grandma, you're in a sweetness and she's giving you cookies and five bucks and she's the fucking bus. Meanwhile, everything you're mad at in life is based on this thing you're mad at your mom for and your poor mom got fucked by this grandma. But by the way, by the way, it's, you know, why I love, it's so true, right? And you know, why I'm happy right now is I know someone's in a car driving and this might be the first, this is why I'm motivated to do what I do. I know someone's driving right now had never heard this concept and literally just had a bananas, aha. And it's the seed that's going to lead to them calling their mom in six months because it's going to fester, you know, not everything's right away. And they haven't talked to her for four years. And it's going to allow them to have amends and enjoy each other's company. It will be rocky roads. You know, when you have a tough relationship, you know, but right now they're completely zero and it's and they didn't realize what grandma did. And then you're going to be like, fuck grandma and then I'm gonna be like, no, no, no, great grandma. You didn't know, great, great, great, great, great grandma, Gertrude, but she was the worst in the bunch. Is it about being aware? Correct. And when you're aware of that, you can understand it. And being aware and awake to everything is good. Yeah. Being aware is realizing if you're highly political, both sides are doing the same thing. That's being aware. They're both scaring you and telling you you're not capable and they're going to take care of you. Both of them. They're just scaring you on different issues. I think I agree. You know, when I think about you and like one of the things in your life, I just think that like extreme self awareness is at the top of the heat with your qualities. I mean, there's a million great qualities, but I think like you're just you're you're you have an honest assessment about yourself in the world. And I think that's a super power for you. It allows you to grow and make impact. You guys know this at all. And even including the three wonderful people off the camera know this. When you start to get known, people have opinions of you. There are people who have full form opinions of you. Never met me. And I understand if you were up and household where over the topness and cursing were demonized, how can you possibly like me at first? If your parents taught you that self promotion and be quiet. Like you don't have to put yourself out there. Which is a beautiful like I I'm literally getting let's look at this. I'm literally getting goosebumps. I think it's beautiful to to say like your work should speak for itself. And you don't have to be out. I think it's a beautiful virtue. You know, speaking with in a respectful manner. Like I think these are nice things. I am not that. I am very out there. I'm very Jersey potty mouth. But it's me and and I'm okay with people misunderstanding me at first in a world where everyone wants to be understood immediately. I do not have the audacity to think that people should understand me right away. I actually enjoy the process. Many people listening right now when they first came across me did not like me and now really like me. That's my favorite thing ever. It's when you do get a judge you judge a book by its cover and then you get to know the person and it's an onion. Correct. What happens to you two? Oh of course. Let him go down the rabbit hole and see me with blonde hair and big fake tits and like let them judge that. That's right. I'm actually fine with it. I think a little bit of part of me gets off on it. Yeah, of course, because I think you know who you are inside. Yes. Like again, but this is an important thing. There's a lot of people that are sitting right now who think they're rotten inside and I tell everyone to listen to me. You are not rotten. If your voice tells you that you are bad, someone put that voice in you. That is not your voice. Right. I said something yesterday. I'd never set out loud before and I'm excited to repeat it. I literally believe there's no losers in life. I really believe that. I just believe that are people that are currently losing. Right. It's like sports. Like sometimes you're losing 13 to nothing. But I don't know if you've ever watched sports. Like sometimes you come back and win. Like no matter where you're at right now, alcoholism fired four times, $150,000 in debt. Like this is what's amazing about life. Like you actually can get out of it. And then what's crazy? Like if you show me someone, like if someone emails me that heard this podcast ever right now when you launch it or in 10 years, if you're a person that emails me and says I was $150,000 or is that I battled alcoholism. I spent six months in jail. I like all these things. And now I'm here. That person's the that's the person I most admire on earth. The people I most admire are the ones that really get out of the muck. Not the people that kind like like me. Like it's kind of always been chill. Like like meaning like my adversity was my youth. Fights all the time because I grew up in bad neighborhoods. Bad grades. Every adult said you're going to be a garbage man loser, which was funny because garbage man make a lot of money. More than teachers. All this other crazy stuff. By the time I got to 18, I was so beat up by every grown up, I was like, I like losing. So my life from after like regular school life, childhood life. And don't forget inside my house, I had nothing but love. And then selling and all the business stuff was showing me I wasn't a loser. But you know for me, I've kind of just like, who's the long success on success, on success, happiness and joy. Like yes, I think I'm for some people and might be like, well, I want to achieve that. But I am I personally and more impressed with someone who's in a real fucked up spot right now and gets to like some sort of basic tangible place than I am with what I've done and I'm and I'm not kidding. If you woke up tomorrow and you felt rotten inside, what would you do? What's your self-talk? If me, myself, with the things I know, I would immediately say that it's not true. And that somebody, especially if it's me, some like evil demon lord was able to manipulate my brain somehow. There must be like some weird emperor Darth Vader like character was able to penetrate my brain. Or somebody slipped me like some weird version of an a i rupee that remixed my brain because I don't understand how this happened. But however it happened, someone oust I, Gary, do not think I'm rotten. Someone tricked me into thinking I'm rotten. So that's if someone's listening and they feel rotten and you would tell them to under that their mother or father likely told them they were run. So how did they get out of it? By realizing their mother and father was broken and they can start the process of getting out. They have to not believe them. When your mother, there are people maybe even in this room, just six of us, and definitely people listening. There are people with parents that tell them you'll never be anything. Do you know what fucking sad that is? But I again do not get mad at that scene right now. I don't look at that woman or man. I feel bad for them. They are so broke to be a parent that says that to your own child. Do you know what fucking broke in that person is? This is why I love negative comments in social. Do you know that most people aren't don't post because they're scared of negative comments and I secretly love them? Why do you secretly love negative comments? Because it gives me an opportunity to DM some of them and try to help them. What do you DM them? Like hey man, I saw what you just wrote. Like first sorry that you think I'm a scam artist. But on some real shit, like if you're taking time to write that, like you're clearly not a good place. Is there anything I can do for you? Literally six out of ten people are like whoa and like pumped. And four out of ten people double down like fuck you Gary, you're not gonna fucking pull your shit. I mean like my shit is compassion. Like I'm right here when you're ready. I like doing that. And you've always done that. I want to talk to you a little bit about entitled men. That was a great segue. Now let's talk about that. I was really getting good at this. Thank you. You're welcome. Let me take it a thousand. No, but you know there's all these articles now about Gen Z. And I hate to pick on young people because I know a lot of people with that generation that are really hard working and do very well. I would actually argue to your point to double down just to jump in. It's actually a very wildly mixed generation because Gen Z has so many options. Gen Z is the most millionaires of a generation under 20 in the history of time because of technology. There's people working their faces off. I actually think they're just very split. Not a lot of in between. You have these gangster 19-year-olds who are streaming for 19 hours a day every day of their life or building AI businesses. And then you have the ones that are like, well the boomers fucked it up for us. Hey politicians, take care of me. Yep, what? And then I think all generations blame each other. As if I'm sorry to interrupt our other, but I just want to make this point. As if we didn't have enough things that we don't like each other about. Gender wars, race, religion. This is how fucked up things are. I do not believe that people are conscious to what's happening. There are many people on earth that try to make us not like each other for their self-interest. Literally as if we didn't have enough things to not like each other about. This is the first era when I was growing up guys. I didn't even know I was in Gen X and I never heard the term boomer. I didn't know what that was. Right? Now you literally have Gen Z being like, you boomers fucked it up. And they're like pointing at some poor 71-year-old lady who's just mining her own business. She just go to the store to buy a banana. She's like, what do you mean I ruined it? But I wanted, so to your point, it's, I think there's just an entitlement across all sorts of demos. Correct. And I think within that, I don't, I don't want to blame social media because I don't think I think that's a cop out. But I think people see people with things or maybe that are further alone. And they say, hey, they happen to I shouldn't I? But yeah, but the rise of socialism and Marxism and communism, like the 40s, the 60s, the 20s have these same dynamics. Friends, actually here's a good one. Please, this will really make your life a lot better. You need to stop blaming social media. It's an empty pipe. You need to start blaming yourself. Like people like, it's never been worse. I'm like, the Holocaust was pretty bad. Like, like, Hitler didn't have Twitter. Like, I don't understand why people don't understand what's actually happening, which is we have become incredibly non-accountable. We have become wildly judgmental. And this is not a social media issue. This is modern parenting issue. Consequences matter. Literally, in five minutes, we went from parents actively smacking and spanking. I had a belt hanging in my apartment when I first came to America as a kid. And like, my mom pointed to it and said, like, my mom, like, literally, I've been smacked. I've been smacked. Grounded? Do you know this phenomenon? You guys are young modern parents. People don't ground. I ground. I ground. I ground. I say, you know, I want to know what the ground is. No, no, no, that's threatening. Yeah, that's good. Love it. It comes to me two days later. She goes, where's the thing? Big eyes. It's good. Very cute. Yeah. But we've got five more days. And the way if you do another, it's another week. Yeah. Like, but 30, 40 years ago, it was not just the way. It was no phone, no friends, no TV, no, like, like, like, it was real. She's like, thanks, dad. You took away the way. Yes, she wanted the next day. Now she's doing 1700 other things. Correct. No, no, I'm talking about when we really grounded in the 70s and 80s, 60s, like, you were going to jail. God forbid you heard. I'm going to go get your father scared to the fuck out. I was scared of my dad as if he was like an assassin from him. Like, like, no, no, we don't have kids grow up. And this is why people talk so much shit. I grew up in neighborhoods where if you like said one thing to someone, like, it was after school, punch, blood, fight. Like, people are saying all sorts of shit in the comment section because there's no ramifications. So what's your vibe on gentle parenting? Can't wait. I love the idea of being friendly and warm. Like, I had a gentle parent who would smack the fuck out of me when I did something wrong. I believe that we need purple. I think that we, this concept of, like, when parents are like, I want to be friends with my child, they're hurting them. You want to be friendly, but you need to be their father or mother. Yeah. And I'm telling you, the biggest issue in the world right now is lack of consequences. What keeps humans in a very nice place is consequences. Ramifications. It's good. Like, I love when people get punched in a face. I mean it. Like, you know, run your mouth and disrespect and get punched in a face. That's good. I like it. I know that people are like, well, I need to dissect it. Like, we as humans need consequences. It's why I love sports and business. There's consequences. Like, if you don't play well, if you make a bad pass, if you don't train hard, you lose. You lost. This is why eighth place trophies destroyed society. When your kids get older, when they become 22 or 18, depending how you see this or somewhere in that range, if you're, if you guys, because of the empire you build, are giving money to your 25-year-old child, it will be bad. Well, we've seen that. We've seen it happen. We've seen what happens when you do that. And it is not. That's right. And that's what's happening. You have people literally blaming boomers on TikTok whose parents are paying the rent. It's funny for all the best things. Right. Right. Like, it's like, I don't. Not funny. Yep. It's not funny. It's humbling and funny and awesome. And like, it's how I see the world. Like, it's just very easy to see what's going on right now. Like, we are soft. We are over-cottled. We've become addicted to this. People love this. You're ugly. You're stupid. Well, you, you should, in my opinion, you should pay more taxes. Like, okay. Like, like, what about you? Where did this, like, I, I never, I don't, I literally don't even know how to start a sentence of you should. It never in my brain. Do I look at someone and say you should other than the framework of like kindness and humanity. It would be great. Like, not just like you, like, like, we just end like you suck and like, you, you think you're so hot back to the fake tits and blah, like, what's, who's business are your tits? Yeah, you're maybe in the mix a little bit. Maybe a little bit in the mix. Depends on what euro we're in. I'm totally fine. You know, like, who's business is it? How, you know, and by the way, this is why I don't tell people how to raise their child. I talk about parenting as a macro theme as someone who's receiving 10 to 50,000 DMs a month from people that are struggling who are saying the same themes, which is mommy and daddy are over-cottling me. It's all the same theme. So the kid is DMing me? Oh, you want the weirdest one? Yeah. One of the biggest breakthroughs in my life was when I started really talking about this six, seven years ago, I was getting DMs from rich kids blaming their parents for paying for their life. And I was like, yes. And I was like, my first reply ever. Literally, I didn't understand. They're like, Gary, I'm super depressed. You know, I read my DMs. Super depressed. Let me tell you about me. My parents pay for everything. I'm 25. I live in LA. I remember it like yesterday. They just bought me a brand new BMW. And I'm deeply depressed. And it keeps going. And I don't remember the rest, but it ends with, and all of this just shows me that they don't think I'm capable. They think I'm a loser. So it's a dog whistle from the parent saying that you're not capable and that's the self-esteem. That's interesting to me. To me too. It blew me away. Then the next part was funny. I said, I literally read this thing. And I kind of like, I'm shook because I'd never heard it. I didn't know what rich kids were dealing with kind of. And I replied, I think I can help. And this person replies, oh my god, please, Gary, what should I do? And I replied, stop taking the money. And that's when the combo got interesting. This was like a fucking two hour DM back. But one of the few times I've ever done this. And literally for an hour and a half over fucking Indiana and Michigan and got my way home from the West Coast. I convinced this person to call their father and give back everything. But most kids want to shit on their parents and do nothing about it. And I think it's, you know, on this show, I've talked about this where I actually have a little bit of empathy and sympathy for people that are rich kids that are put in that situation, because they don't actively make that choice. Their parent does four of them. Yeah, but when you're when you're seven and nine and 13, you're right. But when you're 22, friends, everybody who's listening, if you're in a great situation financially, where your parents have this situation, if it's bothering you, you do have control. And I agree with you. I understand that you're conditioned to fucking have caviar on Sunday brunch. But you don't need caviar. Unless you're Russian, like me, you do need caviar. The victim mentality. That's it. So why is it everyone's fault by yours? Literally everything that's wrong in my life is my fault. And it makes me happy as fuck. Well, because then you can do something about it. Yes. Because then it powers with you. Correct. If it's always somebody else's fault that puts you in a helpless position. This is why everyone's so upset right now, they think politicians in charge. Like I don't get this. That's right. We just said okay. Oh, and people had all sorts of judgment on you guys early on, because you were a little early. And then everyone's like, you're pioneers. You went from shit faces to pioneers. And by the way, and then it goes back and forth. That's you. That's right. And by the way, and by the way, you may go back to California. But no, no, no, no, no, no, you appreciate what I'm about to say. Probably not because you're viewing it what it is today. What if what if the state of California changes to repolices in the next 18 years that you like? And you might be like, wait a minute. By the way, I'm the record. LA has many things better than Austin. Oh, yeah. And if three or four things that matter to you change, maybe you will. We're going to move next to where you know now. Well, that would be lovely. In New York. New York City is the best. Better than both of those New York has better things than everything. New York's the fucking best city in the world. Let there be no confusion. I mean, it's slowly moving more than that. Okay, so let me, let me go back to what I was asking you. When somebody comes to you, you manage a lot of people. And they, their output is not matching what they actually are going to them. But they're entitled and they want, and they say, Gary, I'm working through. I've been here for a year or two. I tell them, I tell them that unfortunately, I'm making a subjective opinion. You might be right. This is very powerful. This is really work for me because I actually believe this. This may really help a lot of bosses. I say, let's just have the combo. Hey, unfortunately, brother. I have to make a subjective choice here because it's my company. And subjectively, I don't agree with you. And not because I want to suppress you and not make money. You can go talk to other employees who've gotten raises. Just subjectively, I don't think you're up to snuff. Like your content doesn't get views. Like you come in at 9/13 when everyone's here at 9. Like you kind of mope around when someone else does well on a post and your post doesn't. Like you're not really living it. And so I don't think we're there yet. But good news. Like you know me, I'm Gary. Like I'm a good dude. Like maybe this isn't the right spot. And I will try to help you get a spot that's better for you. Or you can subjectively agree with me now. Because you can tell that you're not tricking me because I just gave you three examples. And let's maybe work on it together and see if we can rectify this the next six months and if not, let's figure out a great spot for you. It's interesting to me how much you're paying attention. When you say you get here at 9/13 and you have 8 million employees, that's interesting to me. People think you're not paying attention. Because you're so busy and you got to the point. I wish you could interview all my employees. It literally freaks someone. Like some of my employees literally think I have a spy network. I'm very intuitive. Like my intuition is my great gift. Actually, let's speak about that. This would be really good. I know a lot of ladies listening to this are going to really find this interesting. Ladies, you know how like in the last decade we've really started talking about gut health. Really big topic. Thank God. And men too, I mean many, but like gut health has become a big conversation. We're starting to get more educated on gut health as like a primary driver of your overall health. I have a wild one that I really hope I live to watch this clip because the world figured it out. I'm completely commenced intuitively. That your intuition in your gut is your primary brain. And your brain is your secondary brain. And I don't think the world knows that. And I think there's something big, big there. And I wish I was a fucking- The motivation is coming from your gut, which is actually guiding you not your brain. That's right. But he's saying because the first indicator of whether something's off or on or or good or bad. What did I get called the other day on the podcast Michael Gary went to? What did I get called? I mean you called him a regular. No, they're probably from prolific. Oh no, no, no, no. She keeps trying, you're not a problem. No, what is the whole thing? No, she wants me a problem. What's it called? Prophetic? Prophetic. Yeah, you're both of that. Yeah. Intuition, and I think the people that are willing to lean into it, I think a lot of people listening have talked themselves out of it. And you know what sucks is when you go against your intuition and it doesn't work out, it hurts triple. Because you're new. Yeah. And so for me and for me, I'll say that again. Uh-huh. The number one thing that really fucks with people is where they used someone else's opinion that they trust or logic to make a decision versus their intuition that was really going off. Yeah. So then when it fails, you're like devastated because you're really mad at yourself for not listening, which is why I only listen to my intuition. Oftentimes it's not worked out. But it feels nice because I died on my own sword. It's much more fun to die on your own sword than someone else's sword. And a lot of the times it does work out in your intuition, inspiring sense of antenna is 100% right. Most of the time. I'm just saying a lot of times it didn't because there's something you didn't see or until it like something else was a variable. You might have actually been right, but it ended up being wrong. Like things happen, but uh-huh. One of my favorite things that you've ever talked about, and I forgot where it was. I think on Instagram, but you said that when people say social media is negative, open up your feed, open up your your content page, and look at your content, you have created that. And I'm not saying it as eloquent as you said it. Can you talk to our audience about that? Every one of you that thinks social media is bad or that the algorithms are manipulating you. I want you to open your phone and go to TikTok or Instagram right now and go to search. Go to the search function. In search, I want you to do this, like literally pause the podcast right now, like get yourself situated. Yeah, do this. It's fun. No, it's nice. Do it. Friends, feel free to jump in. So go to search so I go here. Yep, you're in search? Yeah. I really want you to do this. This is really important. Thank you everyone. I want you to search. You're in search? Yeah. Type in kittens. Okay? Got it? I need you to like four posts. Right now. I mean it. Please like four posts. You know what Ozzy Osborne passed away? I was watching like a million things because I loved that. Yeah. My whole feet burned. Yeah, yeah. I need, please help me here. I don't know. Four posts. I know it's yours. Brother, I don't care. I need, I need, I need. You're changing my algorithm. So cute. All right. Now, back out. I want you to type in love. Everybody who's listening to this podcast, I need you to do this. This is real. If you really believe that social media is the devil or the algorithms against you or things are bad, I really need you to like this one's important. Type in in love? Yeah, Michael's faking it. I can see you speaking. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I did it. All right. I need, I need you to, I need you to like, please everyone follow this. I need you to like three posts. And this, I know this one will hurt a lot of you. I know this will hurt a lot of you. But I need you to follow one of those accounts in the love red. I know a lot of people are very precious about who they follow. This is going to fuck people up. But I need you to do it. Please just pick one. Michael, go follow Louise Hay after me. Oh, I don't know if I want to follow that one. That popped up in the comments. What? It was dating. Yeah. That's what you're talking about. Yeah, it happens. It happens. Listen, he might be like, you know, learning a lot of things in this newsage. Yeah. Michael, follow Louise Hay after me. I don't know what that is. That's, look, Louise Hay after me. All right. Back out, everyone. Back out. This is very important. This is actually profound. This might be a, I'm really mean this. This might be the thing that we're most stopped in public about. This segment right now. Now I need you to put sun shine. OK. Sun shine. Sun shine. OK. Yeah. It is nice. Five likes. I need it. I need clicking to the grid. Pick which ones you like, like it, like it. All right. I don't want to eat up the entire podcast. But 15 minutes of this. Actually, let's do the last one. This is probably the most important one you'll ever do in your life. Ready? I need everybody to type in Gary Vee-ee. I don't usually like four posts. My friends. My name is Eddie. Positive. You're all over my algorithm. So that's good, because it's all positive. So friends, this is super important. I believe a lot of you have done this just now. I really think a lot of people did it. I think a lot of you will continue and put, you know, hiking and things you like cooking. Mona has really, in the last couple of years, realized how much joy she gets from cooking. So like cooking sports highlights. And now we can go a little bit less deep. You can add sports highlight fashion. I'm telling you, within 30 seconds, if you really do 15 minutes of what I just said, you will enclose your phone. Tomorrow morning, your feed's different. Your feed is not changing you. The platforms are not manipulating you. They're exposing who you are. Your feed is a reflection of who you are. My feed is-- Our producer Taylor's feed is all buttholes. Buttholes? It's all buttholes. It's toward being buttholes. And then how I knew your theory was right. Because I asked him to go on to see if he was complaining about social media. And I said, pull it up. And all of it was toward being butthole. And I'm like, bull, like you. He's watching you. This is a reflection. Sounds like he should be loving. Social media-- why is he upset? No, he loves me. Yeah. All right, I'll wait until I see his feed. But you know what's so funny? We just did this dinner, or do we-- He's like, boo, he likes big butts, and he can't lie, you know? Yeah. And the algorithm doesn't let you lie. Gotta redo it. Make that song. Go ahead. Adam, when you were with the head of Instagram, what are we? And he was talking about this. And he said, the algorithm is an interest-based algorithm. It follows your personal interest. Friends, social media doesn't exist anymore. I've been saying this for a couple months now. We are in the ear of interest media. Yes. You're not getting content from who you follow. You're getting content of the things you like. And remember what I said? You were in control? People were like, Gary, you don't get it though. It's adepting. You needn't door fins. They fucking got the system. I'm like, motherfucker, I just told you to fix in three minutes. What are you fucking talking about? We've given up our control completely to the algorithm, to Instagram, to TikTok. The fuck are you guys talking about? A bunch of fucking crying, wow, wow, bitches who don't want to take accountability for their actual life? Don't blame people. You're the one that likes buttholes. [LAUGHTER] I'm going to pull that whole clip in just one segment. That's going to be the opener of this-- Brother, that's it, man. I don't understand. Can we please use-- can this podcast please for thousands of you be the moment where you realize it's two thumbs in? It's fucking two thumbs in. It's you. And I think you know-- OK, you don't get it. My boyfriend, break up. If your boyfriend's a fucking delusion-ling negative fucking loser, break up. Or if you like-- if you like hooking up with him so much because he's the most handsome dude, then realize you're choosing dick over happiness. I mean, I don't know. And by the way, you're allowed for a couple of months. But just get out of here eventually. Like, I don't know. Like, no judgment. But like, don't blame. And don't choose dick over happiness. It's not worth thinking about. This was not a radio card. Or choose it for-- Or choose it for, like, one week. Yeah. Like, again, not me. Yeah. Yeah, like, life is not, like, locked in forever. And like, like, I don't know, like, accountability is the most addicting word to me. I'm obsessed with accountability. I would inject accountability into my lips. No, I did that. I mean, like I said, it's what we appreciate for such a long time about us. And whether the message when you hear it sometimes at the first time, I'd be like, whoa, whoa, it's like a cold splash of water in your face. But what you're saying is basically, you have as an individual the power to dictate the outcome of your life. End of story. I watch politicians right now say, you're not capable. You're not capable. You need to be scared of this. You're not capable. And I can help you. I live a life of, here is all this good information. Here's how you make money. Here's how you get happy. Here's how you can make happiness. Happiness, money. Happiness, money. Happiness, money. And then I finish what's saying, I can't help you. You can help you. The end. That right there is what's going on. And by the way, I'm not special. There are other people like me. And I implore people that are listening right now to find those people and stop consuming the other people. - My drop, Gary Vee, first time on the show. - Oh, he's a charm. (laughing) - This one was a lot of range, Gary. - Yes, we definitely, you know. - A lot of range. - Yeah, yes, there was butthole, dick, tits. Like we definitely, it was a little bit of a sixth grade show. - I don't know if you're promoting anything right now, but I'm going to call you out and say that I actually read your book to my kids. And they love it. - Meet me in the middle. - Yes, and there's two different sides and love how it switches over. - Yeah, I think for all the moms, if you go to vefriends.com/cartoons, this whole theme, you know, I can sit and talk about it or I can do something about it. Four years ago, I decided that I was not only the byproduct of a great mom, Jersey, immigration, like, you know, like entrepreneurship, the American dream, but I was also the byproduct of kids' television that was pushing good agenda. I used to watch He-Man, and it was super cool. And at the end, all 80s boys stand up on this one. Remember this, you'd watch He-Man, it was cool. It wasn't virtue signaling. Like it was like beeped and skeletal and like cool shit. And then at the end, He-Man would show up on the screen at the end of the cartoon as Adam, which is who he was before He-Man. And be like, hey kids, don't forget, be nice to your sister. I was like, oh, fuck, He-Man told me to be nice to my sister. I'm like, please get over here, you're in the back. So five years ago, I started V friends. We have 20 cartoons right now on YouTube Kids. If you have kids between three and eight, I could not recommend it more. vefriends.com/cartoons. Please put it on, guys. And by the way, I've really built this IP. So it's 250 characters. It's my Pokemon meets Marvel meets Sesame Street. But you'll like this. I really made two of the girl characters, like the alphas of the whole world. The fearless fairy and the ambitious angel are two of like the five most important characters, but also the competitive clown. So like my cartoons and parents, please watch the cartoons. You're gonna laugh. The cartoons for the kids. But it's also poking at you guys. Some of this stuff we talk, like when you watch a cartoon, it's a little bit like, yeah, I'm like eighth place trophies. Lead to suicidal thoughts, not really. But it's like, I'm really poking at it. I'm like really poking at it. So I think it's fun for parents to watch. I did, you know what's funny? I didn't, but AI Sora 2. I don't know if you guys know what Sora 2 is. So everybody needs to download Sora 2. It's open AI's TikTok, where all the content is AI. Watch this. So you'll love this. [VIDEO PLAYBACK] Do you think ice will ever slow me down? You don't know your boy. So literally, I just typed, that's not you. This one's even better. The sun feels like it's trying to cook. Everything in you wants to run for the nearest ice cream. But if you only play in the cold, you never build the tolerance for the heat that's coming. And when you charge trees, it's really-- I literally-- how do they see it? I guess the sun feels like it's trying to cook. No, no, they know. Like, it's early. But the fact that it's already that good, where's it going to be in two years? That was me typing Gary B motivating penguins to not be scared of the sun enter. And that was made with Sora 2. So you used your voice from Sora to-- So where I was going is there's a character in V friends called Gary B, and I'm going to be the voice of him in It's a B. Yes. That's genius that you have a cartoon. I think that's so smart. You ever need some cameo voices? Yeah, can I do a cameo? Yeah, for sure. Can I be ambitious, angel, or one of the characters that's alpha? Yes, you can. Can I, actually? Yes. I will do it for free. You will do it for free. No, you're not-- not me. She's in. You need to audition. I want to be-- I know I want to. I want to be what's character. Humble hedgehog. No, no, no, no, no. No? What about helpful hippo? I'll be helpful hippo. Anyway, love you guys. I got to run. See you. Thank you so much. Everybody, if you enjoyed this podcast, please go back and look at the prior episodes. They're loaded. I appreciate your attention. And thanks for being part of this journey. See you later.