The Port Arthur Massacre

Well, it is nearly Christmas. All it's only one or two more sleeps now till the Wigman comes. Here we go. This episode was probably one of the best I've done in a really long time. Had really good fun with comedian, demo, clack. And it was one of the shows that Chris and the new TCG towers was very happy to do this one. It's been requested by an awful lot of people. It's been quite awful lot of Australians. So this one is a tip of the cap to those down under who make up a fairly considerable number of the old fanbase in TCG if I'm honest. You know, chalk it down for an Australian tour as soon as this fucking corona folks off. And speaking of that, I'm all better. Everything's grand. We're all back to one show a week. If not more, train them, swap cast interviews, a few extra bits. I'm working on some spotlights and for some stuff during the new year. And you know, 2021 Lads. We're like to fellow with the Wheelbarrow. It's all ahead of us. So fingers crossed. 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There will be one more before the end of the year and maybe in a live chat on the 30th of December. So talk down and keep an eye out for it. In the meantime, I'm talking enough. In the meantime, you can listen to this one. Have a happy Christmas. God bless. Hope Sandy brings you what you asked for. And maybe something that you didn't. And yeah, here's the board to earth and ask you. Enjoy. Hello, welcome to another Doze Conspiracy Guys. This time we're talking about something that I think has affected a lot of people around the world, especially the people in the great land of Australia. It was the mass shooting at Port Ather in Tasmania in 1996, committed allegedly by Martin Bryant, a man of diminished capabilities, let's say. And there's been so many Australian fans reaching out to me saying we want to hear what you have to say about this show. We've done episodes on Sandy Hook, we've done episodes on the column buying massacre, we've done episodes on the Aurora cinema shooting with James Holmes, the Batman cinema shooting. And there's been a lot of questions about a lot of these types of things, gun control, taking the power back from the people, tyrannical governments, you know, disarming a potentially protesting populist, there's a lot of peace. And this one is the Australian version of that in some people's minds. We're going to talk about it in as much as the conspiratorial elements of this is a true crime episode with a little bit of conspiracy sprinkled on top. There is a brilliant case file episode that you can go and listen to if you want to get just all the general details exactly what he did where he did it what time we'll do a little bit of that here. But if you're listening to this looking for some new revelations or something like that, I don't know temper your expectations before it recorded the show, I put it up on Discord and somebody said, you better learn your fucking research. And I was like, Oh, okay, that's a weird threat. But yeah, this is the poor actor episode. And joining me in the hot seat is comedian and Australian. Mr. Damien Clark, welcome, Damien. How are you? Great. I think so. I haven't seen you as much lately since you gave up drink. It was a common denominator. Yeah. Right. This is streaming live to Patreon folks, by the way. So if you're listening to this, you know, in the future times, we're sorry, we tried our best for like COVID or the lockdown or whatever the vaccines are going to bring us. But this one's on Patreon. The people on Patreon can watch all of these live live streaming from the new TCG towers for the five dollar and up tears on Patreon. So it's well worked. 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Get on these live streams for season eight. There's 14 big episodes, 34 true crime episodes coming. This is the second true crime. We should be the third episode of the season. And yeah, join me. Is comedian, demi and tack. Hey guys. Thanks for having me. Goro. I'm seeing great. Absolutely. Straight in there. a lot of times since we've been hanging out, hanging out together. Yeah, yeah, like we saw each other at the comedy club. - The Wild Dog, comedy club. - You have. - The Wild Dog comedy club. Tell us about it. - Just started. That's a good thing. Good plug straight away. No man, it was so good to see because, and supporting it because with restrictions and all that. - Absolutely. - The Wild Dog is a pub in Temple Bar and Dublin, and they have a theater license and a 150 CD capacity venue room for music and whatever. - So how many? - But it's a theater license. We get 50 in there. - Lovely, yeah. - So we get 50 and then you were one of the 50 men delighted. - I was in the back room hiding. Like one of Hitler's henchmen looking out through a little hole in the wild was brilliant. - Yeah, yeah. - Which is cool because the place was looked jammed. Everyone was having the crack. Deer drug hand was headloin and you have lots of like top level headloiners in there, right? - Yeah, yeah. So coming up, it's going to be good. We've got Dave and we've got Savage booked in. And totally wide. I can do that. Burned cases doing. - Savage. - Yeah, man. It's going to be great. And I know Christmas show with like five acts coming in. So because comedians have been starved for indoor gigs, with like everyone's like me, me, me, me, me, and we're like brilliant. - So speaking of indoor gigs, you guys are doing outdoor gigs, right? - Yeah, we're gigging. - I had Danny O'Brien on here the last time we were talking about Luca Magnata and Don't Fuck With Cats. And he told us all about your garden gigs Ireland. - Yeah, because I guess with all these restrictions, it's not saying you can't gig. It's just saying don't do it. - Yeah, it's like. - So don't do it to a cluster. - Yeah. - With people, no clusters. - The same rules with like weed or whatever, right? - Yeah, pretty much. So we're out in the weeds. - It's like you're not allowed to do it, but like people do in other ways. - But you know, just say it's medicinal. - But it's not allowed to accommodate. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, a laugh just the best medicine. - Absolutely. - Marijuana's a good medicine. - Paciardum. - Pachardum. - Yeah, we have it. - So we've been doing gigs in fields, streets, you know, big backyards, all that. And it's been, it's been brilliant. Once we got a PA system, like an power point. We've got an extension lead. Man, the sky's a limit. - I can't understand why we weren't already doing that. It sounds so creepy and weird pre-covid. But it's like you would invite like a few comedians to come over to your house and like just walk up and down and rant at the top of your garden while you sit there and drink. And I'm like, that's almost any time I've ever hung out with any comedian. - Yeah, but that's why. Like everyone gets to walk around. - Yeah. - But it's not organized. And no one has to pay it to come in. But now this is like an official thing. We're like, all the lads are coming over on Saturday. We're gonna watch the match. And then afterwards we have our own personalised comedy show. - That's the way it goes, yeah. - That's great. Yeah, like people just text us, you know, who they want us to rip on or who's birthday is or whatever. So you get all of the crowd work prompts and you're like, yeah, we're Susie. We're Susie. - We're Susie. - Shushy new tits, Susie. - Yeah, we hear they're also p.s, which is dangerous when you've got new implants. But yeah, it's cool, but the street part is usually kids going around as well. And like a lot of them aren't paying attention. But then yeah, man, there's like, so when a kid can-- - So when a kid can-- - We share some park under our like, "Can we laugh at that?" 'Cause Jimmy's just down there having a chop chop. And there's a few bits right where, you know, you're looking left and right. You're making fun of babies 'cause the ladies have a baby there, that's cool. But nothing's more stressful than doing a bit. And there's a kid there slowly pumping a supersoaker in front of your face. Just go on if this, if he doesn't find this amusing and whatever his level of humor is, I'm gonna get sprayed with water. Hopefully it's water, not his own urine in front of his whole street. And you know he's gonna be a hero. - It puts pressure on you to do well. - Yeah, we have to do good or else, the whole town is gonna run us out of the village. - Maybe in future, when we do get to move back inside, we'll have a similar system and the inside gigs, where we'll just have a person nominated to sit in the front row with a supersoaker, and like blow whatever on top of you, if you don't do well. - Make me laugh mate. - Yeah, no great. - You're like a trapped all the old slime, bucket of slime above you. - Yeah, that sharps fun, yeah. - Yeah, make it happen. - We'll get the carry thing happening. You're bucket of blood if it's not funny. If you're talking about real fur. - Yeah. - But only human blood right where not animals. - Only human. - Hashtag vegans. - Yeah, donated human blood. - Yeah, absolutely. - But they're donated. For like, they didn't know when else what in their bodies, give it to the comedy club. They're throwing it on bad acts. (laughing) - Be had to advertise for that, though. We could, you could change garden gigs into which charity, and not have to pay any tax and just get people to donate the blood, say that it's. - Yeah, and call it bloody good comedy. - Lover. - Straight in there. - I love it. - Cool part. - Yeah, but answer to your question here. - Yeah, it's the, - We can just join gigs anywhere. - Anywhere we can, that's safe and sociadista and all that. And so far, because Ireland's got so many lovely role in Green Hills. I was doing one gig, this is the most embarrassing ever. Everyone was all spread out with their own chairs and that, with their own drinks, so you didn't have to go to the bar 'cause they'd just be y-y-o whatever. And then there's just some old guy, doesn't know there's a gig on, with a hurly, just like, you know, hurly stick, just hitting the ball around to his little, little fox Terry, who's just zooming around the grass. Just get everything out then. (snorting) There's that little dog again, and then like donkeys were heckling us, like, (snorting) through a field you couldn't see. And the donkeys had such good timing, like right on a punch line. Nothing's funny then, like, you deliver a punch line, and then, (snorting) you couldn't, if we trained him, it wouldn't have been there. - Absolutely. So you were just doing, it sounds like you're just like going on a mountain walk. And then if you meet some people, you're just like, I've got my tight seven. - Yeah, yeah, you wanna have a ball. - Have you been in a five, and I've been in a tight seven? - Yeah. - It's a weird way to do comedy. - Yeah, did you get annoyed by the self-scanning service in Cisco supermarkets? Then give me a five, but I've got a bit about it. - Yeah, it's all good. - You're just waiting, like, you're waiting, like, post office cues or doll cues, while they're outside waiting for the post office to open at five past nine, and they're like, "Technically, yes, counts as a day of work." Give me, like, when you come back out, give me the five around the way out, and they do like a tight 10 feet. - Yeah, we were gonna do that too, when a hardware store was opened up, and the cues were down the road, we were gonna set up our P.A. system there. - Okay, I'll do it. You could go to the car park and Ikea. There's at least 150 people at all times, and that weird snaky cue, like, trying to get into a comfort. - You're gonna find it once they get in, they're walking through a weird snaky cue within the building. Like, what are they doing? - It shows you how easily people are conformed. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's the only place to buy a cot in the world. It's like, "No, mate, you can buy candles anywhere, bro." (laughing) - The special pillows are the business. - You know, you can find the recipe for Swedish meatballs online, mate. It's not that hard. - I just have Irish ones, they're probably like, "Just have other meatballs." - Yeah, the meat is more reliable. - So, as everybody can hear, Damien, you're a real Australian. - I was a real, yeah, one of those real ones. - The real ones. - That was born then. - They have that little label coming out of your asshole that has like the authentic product of Australia. - Yeah, that's right. I mean, you didn't know this when you asked me to do this episode, but it was born in Adelaide. I was a group in Perth, and then I like, travel all around. And I went to Hobart. I went to the Port Arthur site. And, yeah, man, this is grim. It's grim, but like it being a little, and in fact, I went back right, where is it? - I got a diary, so I'm just going off my key for a sec. I went back and found my 996 diary. I mean, if you're watching, look at this shabby thing. Look at that. It's all true. - I used to look at a maze. - I used to write, like I was already doing stand-up at this time. So I was just writing down and everything. Look at all this writing. - Did you scrumpt that thing? - I was 18, right? - We're gonna get a reading from you then, later on. I put a bed, some really like, automatic music underneath. - Oh yeah, and I would just pick a date, and we'll just read what I was doing that day. - But 20, 28, 29th of April is probably around with the time, right? - Yeah, it's 29th of April. Like, I just found, I was like, 'cause I mean, everyone was shocked, horrified, couldn't believe it. - Well, this is the question I asked you at the start of every episode. Before you started researching this or before I asked you to come on this, like, what did you know? Obviously, because you're from around there, you've been there. It's one of those things, like we usually look at these serial killers, and these from the 70s in New York are like, you know, Los Angeles, and there's no content that I know in life that was either alive then or in that area, you know? It was very hard to find someone that was in the area at the time. Luckily enough, you're here. - Yeah, I mean, I wasn't in the area, 'cause I'm at the time, which have been the portality of walked. Like, it's a museum type area. It'd be like an Auschwitz or something, because it was a penal colony, right? - Yeah, yeah, and it's a lot of Australians, like white Australians, like myself. They start their ancestors were crims, and they, you know, they, they, they, they, they, they, - So it's like a docked. - Criminal Ellis Island. - Yeah, and it was the biggest, it was the biggest one of its time in Australia. That's where, like, and you can read the crimes. They're all named all the, all the, the convicts that used to be in there, you know? - Like, that big in hitch where Will Smith brings you one over and tells her that her grandfather is actually like a massive serial rapist. (laughing) - So they're first days, you watch that movie? - Yeah, and like, they go out and jet skis, and you're on it's like, "Mm, impressive." And he's like, "Check out, take off my fucking wetsuit." And he's like, totally ripped. - Of course. - "Mm, caliente." - And then he comes over and he goes, "Huh, I got a surprise for you." And it brings her over to this book. And then it shows like, "Look, your, your grandfather." "Oh, look, his name, he, oh, he's called the butcher of Cadiz." Oh yeah, that's who he is. And he escaped Spain's rule and went to America, like, you know, to escape the league, and she's like, "Why would you remind me of this?" - Like, this kind of stuff, you could go to Port actor and see what crazy for a Kyrosler you were descended from. - Yeah, and that's exactly the movie I was thinking of when I was raiding those plaques. - That's it. - I was like, "There's actually like a still from the movie at the Port actor museum of that scene from Hitch." And it's like, "Will Smith, remember watching this? Is the only. " - No, why? - Yeah, yeah, no. - I didn't think so. - I didn't think so. I didn't say it. But anyway, in the cultural torch store, that I could take it with the time, you know. - It's very good. - Yeah, so tell us, what did you know about Martin Brut? Or what did you have in your head as the zeitgeist around Port actor, around Martin Brut, around the narrative of, that something happened, and then all the guns got taken. And what's it like to be in Australia at the time was it very similar to Columbine in '99, was there global effects, was there local effects? Like, give us your kind of, what was it like for you? in 96. Yeah, I was not pressure. Yeah, no pressure. Because I was 18. Like you just, you couldn't believe it, especially with the, you know, with the kids and all that. Shooting of the other kids. Yeah, there were two little babas. Yeah. And then that's when you're gone. Oh, man, like you never really heard of anything like that in, like in Australia. I mean, there's, there's, I mean, two weeks, it was a two weeks before it was done, blame shooting. I'm not bringing up. Yeah, two weeks before it's got land, there was the shooting at Don Blaine in a primary school. 16. Yeah, I remember that. And that shit was like, go going like it was fucking, well, from like your close, you would have been closer to that than like geographically than I would have been to. But as it was very similar, but because, but it's so close to home because you know, everyone sounds like you in the interviews. And you're going, what? So, but so you just wanted to get it, but it was, it was, I took it for face value. So if you're like, if you be the conspiracy guy, I'd be face value guy, whatever I saw on the news. And the internet wasn't like rampant back then. Yeah. And if it was, I was downloading like a one-page of a new girl that took four four weeks or guitar tabs to like angsty teenage of it. I printed a move. Yes, I'm an all inkjet printer. Yeah. Yeah. Double sided. Oh, very good. The worst of paper. That's true. Yeah. I use the back, the back of it to like draw angsty pictures of me with a good. This is what I'm going to look like while I'm playing these riffs. But I never got past the chords section. But anyway, that's that's what I was using the internet for. So you couldn't look up. So everything I got was newspapers, TV, and like that's it. So and did you just take it like, yep, that's the way it is. Pretty much. I never thought, but what is everyone thought? Everyone just kept saying it was dumb. Dim. They love saying it's dim. That comes up a lot. Dim. I love it. Dim. Like a light switch. Anyway, so dim. And then I just thought, yeah, he's dumb. That's why he has no remorse that you could see in the small amount of footage they released of him. You go on, well, yeah, there has to be human elements of this person missing to be able to do something like so I just thought, well, that makes sense because it has to be someone who's almost robotic and not really there, not there. Yeah, like a psychopath or sociopath, someone that's not engaged emotionally. Yeah. We talked a little bit about maybe like his asparagus diagnosis, something that I might explain it, but at the time, you know, autism wasn't spoken about really wasn't. You were just mental. You were just. So let's, I'll just read you the sentence or two have on the 29th of April. Dude, let's let's get your let's get your insight just before we start and tell the official story. Oh, what do you mean? Like, read this out? Yeah. If you want to. Yeah. It's only a little bit. This is what I found for me. This is the only mention of it in the door. Well, that there are found. But anyway, it says so 29th of April. So the day after it happened, I say the start, the paragraph here with the new vertical was triple M kept playing the same songs. Bad station had dinner. Right. It was all like, no, I'll be like, shut you the car. And you're too late. Yeah. Yeah. As long as it. And then straight into like, this is the same, you know, as songs had dinner, they caught that Bryant maniac massacre guy. Full stop. Bryant maniac. Massacre guy. So he's a maniac. I, I probably just added that. I don't know if anyone said maniac on the. It's your opinion. I know, but I can't remember what I had watched. You've like, I can't remember any human of every single. I had to fit it all in because as I was saying, like I was painting a house and I had to talk all about the walls and the scurting balls and that for myself. So I'd fall asleep at night. And it is. Is it? Is it? Because did you used to write like cheat sheets for exams and school and you got used to writing? I did. It sounds. It sounds because my memory is atrocious. Biggest massacre in old history. I've seen a mark. He killed 35 people aged three to 72, injured 18 and burned houses, soul cars, chased people. What a nut. That's what I said there. News people ask the dumbest questions like, does he fit the description of a mass murderer? And then I just go, Oh, dear. And that's it. As we used to do in the night. I don't know. Does he fit the description of a mass murderer? I don't know what I meant by. I'll do. I guess what is the description of a mass murderer? Maybe I like, of course he does. Of course he does because he's walking around with a trench coat, long hair and bloody, big, bloody long barrel gun. Well, one, you know, many guns. And that's, and then I was just talking about my dog after that. Okay. So let the first impressions from an evening. Sorry. And then I just, I just can't stand just to tie it off. Buddy won't shut up. That's the dog and no good songs are on the radio. I'll still listen to the same radio station. But you were in the, you were in the bed probably trying to get tired. So like, I'm not getting up to change the radio. Okay. Yeah. That's probably it. And like, buddy was like, were you like smolkin joints and stuff at that age? Are you drinking at that age? I had a joint at 16, but like not, not then I was not around. Not around. Not then. I was sober. Like, I mean, like, I wasn't, I don't think I'd had a few, sometimes I'd have a few cans of beer. I'm silver in the bed. But I don't think in that. I usually I'd mention it. Had a few tennis before we end up, you know, have a couple of emus, a bit emu better in Perth. Have a couple of emus. You wouldn't, you wouldn't have like, on this one there when it was all happening. Like, this one tonight is like, geez, any of your few drinks to go to sleep? That's a fucked up thing to happen. Yeah. I think that's when you just go, you just say it as you see, you just, you can't, you can't, if you're thinking a lot more about it more before you go to sleep, it's just, you can have nightmares. Yeah. I'd be opposite. I sleep so well. I watch all the awful documentaries and then I'm like, I'm just fucking straight. It's crazy. That's why you can do this. I don't know. Yeah. Which ones? I wanted to ask that to you look out of all the, all the, all the ones that you've done it, like, which was there any that were like, just stayed with you, that would think about the most after you'd finished research. All of the recording, all of the model time. All the time. Check it out. Oh, probably is the one of them, one of the war, like the worst backstories remind me that one. He's like a Russian. I said, I always fucking mentioned check it out. Like, I'm sorry, it must be the one. Yeah. He's like a Russian guy who's Japanese teeth and he's E people and he talk young ones and he was like a Russian kind of, but he got to go off for like 25 years, you know, they didn't catch him until the early 90s. He just came in his witnesses. He's the evidence. Yeah. He's saying me. Yeah, but there's loads of like John Wayne, Gacy and, you know, I already did recently and stuff like that. Like just like they're all set with you because what it does is it turns into a milieu of all of them. And then when you come across somebody like Brian, who doesn't fit any of those descriptions or any of those, you know, emotional cues are, you know, the markers of somebody who could commit such an atrocity, it makes you think like, is that the way it happened? Did that happen that way? You know, like we talked about Eric Cleebolt and and fuck the other doesn't. Cleebolt and the Columbine last Cleebolt and fuck. Oh, I don't mean what's his name Simon and was his first name the first name? So I can't remember the first name. Dylan and I can't remember. I'm ashamed. People are screaming at us right now. But you know what? Shame on. I think it was too less than what they did and how they were brought up. And then what they, how they planned it went through all that stuff. Like they were in of their full mental capacity. They had the internet at their disposal. They had, you know, they were, they were in school, like making, you know, remember doom. Yeah, man, they were playing that. They were making maps of the school in doom and like practice and doing the shooting and the movements and so allegedly anywhere. Apparently, you know, like, yeah, this is the other thing. Like a lot of legends. I just want to throw this out because I was watching that, you know, you watching the movie where they, they reenacted it. Like not the bowling for colova on the other one is like, you know what's God. And then they, they had them in the morning. Have them breakfast, have them a shower together and then make an out. It was weird. And then went and then they had a romantic shower scene and then they went and shot at the school. And then I was just, I was thinking about like, oh, they're gone. There was no, how did they know that happened? There's no way that they could have known that they, so that, that was just being the director and all the people. I could just pitch them going, make them queer. You know, before they go in there, you know, make them, because like they can't say, no, we didn't do that. You like, make them make out and do a few things. They're enough of the shout. Who wants to go and shoot up a school after you've come? Oh, you wouldn't see if that happened. They would have gone, oh, let's go light anarchy comic books. Let's, that's why I think there's no way if, they joked each other off in the shower. They were like, you know what? They're not so bad. Forget them. Forget them. Let's go off and have a romantic time away. I absolutely agree with you. Maybe to stop this shooting, somebody should have went off and jerked off my, Joe, it's a off man. If, if, if, because there's a same store, I know they had a shower to get him and Patrick is a petro. Yeah. They had a shower together in the morning. Yeah. Maybe she didn't finish him off. I think it's already finished. It was already planned. See, that's the thing you see. You don't really know any of the government don't don't finish him off. Patrick. Take his balls in the shower and then you white, though, the ticking time balls. I'm saying blue balls. Yeah. Operation blue balls by the time it comes to one o'clock. You'd be ready to fire. Yeah. It's terrible. We're making fun of it. But looking at that. So it's conspiracy guys. It's such a fucking weird case. Right. And we go through the details of it now. A few minutes. It's such a weird case. But you've been the poor director. Like, is it bleak? Is it desolation? Is it? Yeah. Yeah. Bleak. Do you know what it's it's the actual, the actual buildings where they had the convicts is like is bad enough. They used to dress like the ones in solitary confinement type thing. They dress them up. You know the sand people from Star Wars. They full head thing and all that. They have it. It looked like that. Why? They'll be back. And it's an in more numbers. I don't know. The prisoners walk in single file. And then they dressed only. They dressed all the prisoners off as there's a stormtroopers. No, it's just to keep their mouth shut, man. I don't know. Yeah. Like they did that in like prisoner war camps and stuff that put them in because it was torturous for the hot, hot sun and for that as well. Yeah. It was a property and it was proper hot like it was so it was years ago when I was there. But the worst thing. Oh, yeah, most of the people over there like you're here stole a loaf of bread. Why were they convinced why were they shipped over? Hanke chiefs was the most common. Thevery I saw was Hanke chiefs. People were so poor and that they were stealing Hanke's like walking up to some rich dude. Stealing the monograms. Like you know, that's sticking out of the little pocket in the corner. So you're like, "Yank, arrest me. I want to go to somewhere warm or whatever." Or I want to be fed in that. I've got TB and I need the warmth. I can't afford it. You couldn't afford like what else are you going to steal? I didn't have phones back then. So like that's it. It's matching chains. And they're just looking at the initials on the Hanke chief going, "Ooh, I'm just trying to zoom in on it and do it like that." But whatever, because that's all I had to play with again, they were like, "Hanke chiefs." So they were stealing the Hanke chiefs and then that's enough for them to get sent to that sort of world and prison forever. I can't get reception on this Hanke. His Hanke man. I've only got two bars. Yeah, so it's the whole thing is bleak. And then the cafe is just a shell of a building now. You were just saying all the fun. Yeah, it's the roof is all. So it's just like the building was there and there's just the walls, the area and the spaces. And it's open brick as well. There's nothing in there. It's almost like purpose built. Oh, that's all that thing. Sandy Hook School the same. After the event, they raised it to the ground and built a whole new school up on top of it so that the actual school is not there anymore. I guess it's kind of like a tip of the cap of respect to the victims or the people who have to still work there that they don't be walking the halls. Oh man, yeah. Bullet halls into plasterboard and all that. You couldn't open a week later gone. We got a new menu. Yeah. No. And we got new. Tomato sauce for everyone. Yeah, we have found an extra bottle of tomato sauce. What did they, did they ever? The mountain brine. Back. Two days in the morning. You won't get up. Oh, it's weird. It's too fucking weird. They come with two juices. Yeah. It's a fucking weird thing to happen in a place that's so desolate and so like out of the way. It's like the bottom of the bottom of the bottom of the world. Like it's like a poor director in Hobart at the bottom of Tasmania, which is at the bottom of Australia, which is at the bottom. Like it's so far, far, far, far away. Yeah, next stop South Pole. Top. I mean, it didn't, it didn't happen in somewhere like, you know, Sydney or Adelaide or parts or, you know, anywhere kind of populated. It didn't happen anywhere in like, you know, these weird towns, these weird kind of frontier towns like Nimbun or something like that. Like, you got all names. Like that have like, repetitions for having just mad cons going around the place. It didn't happen in one of those places. It happened in like Hobart, which is like a reasonably middle class kind of north. It doesn't have a reputation of being crazy in Tasmania, right? No, it's got a reputation of being in bread. Right. So when I went to Tasmania, I was surprised how lovely it was and how sad everyone was only going, ah, they tell the rest of Australia they're in bread so they don't get too many tourists and, and mainland as it's some people call the rest of Australia because you're going, why haven't I been here before? It's bloody, it's, it looks sort of, it's not like New Zealand, but it's closer to New Zealand than the rest of the country. It's like just amazing mountains, wardfalls all that coastline. It's all co-beak. - Yeah. - That's one of the things. - That's signs of Ireland. - No, probably. - Maybe half of Ireland. - Yeah, fuck. And it's like super nice and very sparrisa-like. - Properly good, yeah. And I was joking when I was there, 'cause I was busy, my mate Gavin basketball, and I'm using comic easy and high button. I was there for sure to get my laptop. - Shout out to Gavin, man, I'm out of gas, because he's the one who took me out of Port Arthur. And not just that, we're not just sickos, because it's one of the top attractions in Australia anyway. But we did all of the sites around there for a while. Did Joker's comedy club that he runs? And then another shadow. - Come over for a visit, we're going to pull the art and we'll hang each other off in the shower after. - And then we'll feel okay. But then there's like, 'cause crew ships, 'cause saying the way that's saying that Port Arthur, like I guess the way Tasmania is, there's like deep, deep, deep water right up to the shore. So you can get in big, big ships full of convicts. Full of, now it's not convicts, now it's people who are in crew ships. So they were coming, well not during COVID, but they used to, they'd pull it right into like right into the Hobart harbour. So when I got to Hobart, I was like, man, this place is huge, look at these massive - Farty story, Fukken Crews. - Shiny building with, no, I thought it were buildings. I'm like man, Hobart is lovely and modern everything. And then the whole city just took off out of the harbour. I was like, I know, that was a crew ship, Hobart's tiny. (laughs) But it was a cool place. But then when you get to Port Arthur, you go, oh, that's when you, you just, it's just history. - Just what people history. - And they used to have like, according to some of the documentaries and stuff I was reading, they used to have like, reenactments of the prisoners being taken in after ships and the guards and stuff. And like, get in there, you, you dig. - Or whatever. - You dig it. - Polking them into little boxes and little cells. And they had like, loud, stressed up like that. And they do like a whole, you know, like a whole Fukken, a frontier town thing, you know, they do that, like the village, you know, that movie there, my channel, I have something like that. It's like, hello, English. Come on in to our village. Here's how we, you, like a scarf. Here's how we shoe a horse or whatever, like, and how they do that in Port Arthur as well, which is when Martin Broy instead of shooting off, everybody taught like, oh, it's, - It was reenactment. - It was reenactment. - Oh, I guess they, they used to look like surfies and just shoot people and coffee shop. It's like, what a weird reenactment this will be. But I mean, but that's, I'd be in shock too. Like you wouldn't, you wouldn't believe that would, even like now, any time in history, you just wouldn't believe anyone could just do something like that. - Yeah, it's hard enough to know that, you know, something like that, cinema shooting happened. - 'Cause you, I mean, as a simple dude, you can wrap your head around if someone had a van to get someone because they were in threat, like murdering someone else if. - Like in, in, like a passionate murder, somebody does some shit and you're like, cheats on you and you're like, bang, or like, does you out of a load of money? You're like, bang. - Yeah, and serial killers, you hear the psychiatrist really bad. Well, this happened to them as a kid. And so therefore they do that to other people now. You gone, oh mate, well like he's a victim as well as a, as a, a, a, a, a, a horrendous human being. That's, but then with this guy, you gone. Like, I mean, so he was bullied a little bit. - But there's a, there is a false logic in that mentality as well where, I don't, I talk about it a lot on the show, I talk about it loads because I have empathy for the murderers 'cause they're humans obviously, like, don't talk a lot about the victims, you don't talk a lot about like the murder porn. Like, the knife slowly slipped in between the ribs, punctured along, like, it's not that kind of thing. But it's like, what happened to these motherfuckers to push them over the edge? And the stigma of mental health issues, or the stigma of being in an abusive situation when you're young or even in your, your young adulthood, it means that like potentially anybody that could be abused is a serial killer. And it's a false logic, but people still adhere to it. And I think with this dim simple American, who was like, obviously dragged up, had some problems, he's dead, like psychological problems, his mass, from the things I've seen in my opinion, is not the fucking full shell and really eater. And she could have, you know, AST, that's undiagnosed, it's a harder to diagnose autism spectrum disorder in women. So they often get like a later diagnosis in life, could have been hereditary, which it usually is, past on to Martin. But like, basically saying and telegraphing that Martin Bryant, the borderline retired, who shot everybody up, you wanna watch out for all your, all your dim people in your town, because the next thing they could be trying to do these copycat killings, anyone that's a bit older, a bit stranger, a bit tick, dead fucking snapper at any time, and especially the autistics. So they did that to focus Adam Lanza from the Sandy Hook case. And James Holmes was also all taken all these, like Lewis and Janet Drogh. So it's like the elements that go into making the situation happen are often vilified rather than the person. So it's like all these things that came together, somebody who's sexually abused, is obviously gonna go on to be a sexually sexual abuser, is the logic, but it's not necessarily the truth. - And not always. - Further stigma and being sexually abused, because you're like, well, I don't wanna tell anybody, 'cause they think that I'm a fucking, I'm gonna go and be a pedo now or something, do you know what I mean? - Yeah, Simon Monnery had a joke about that, he's gone, oh yeah, a lot of pedophiles, we usually abuse his kids, so how do you get all the pedophiles killed the victims? Like, that's a really dark joke. - That's a dark joke. - But that's the logic that people have gone on. You can't follow through with that logic. 'Cause most of the time it's not the case. - It isn't the case. But in this case, we get into it. - Yeah, yeah, so if we go from order, 'cause I keep going on tangents, but if we go on the order of everything. - You're almost my first primary source on this whole show of like, he's an Australian, he can actually tell, when I say some shit about Australia, I can't go, like, get back at me Australians, let me know what you think. Like, I have one right here, he's real in the-- - I can tell you what I think, but it probably might be what other people think. - Yeah, he's a non-nationalized Australian, though you're half Irish at this stage really. - I have anybody 15 years, I think. - Well, that's two revolutions of your cellular reconstruction. - Oh, that's so twice, yeah, so myself of, yeah. - I'm Irish food and Irish water and Irish air. - Guinness. - Yeah, cellularly. - Cellularly, Irish now. I've got this hungover voice. - Constantly. (laughing) - Smells like bacon and cabbage in here. That's beautiful, love it. So yeah, let's get into it then. The, at the end of the weekend of the 20th, 29th of April, 1996, there was a mass shooting at the Tasmanian tourist town on a port actor, like we said. 35 people were killed by gunfire, and 23 were wounded, and the man wielding the gun was Martin Bryant, a mentally challenged, very wealthy, surfer bum looking dude with a sports bag filled with guns. - And it was dim, dim and dumb. - It's dim, I love saying that. Is dim an Australian word that to keep on using? Is that it? - I've never heard it before or since, really? - Like Flamen Galar or whatever. - I mean, I'm not, like I would be dim, but I'd never hear it, you'd hear it, it's not bright. But dim, like, yeah, you're, like. - It's like bright, normal and dim. So dim is like, turned down a bit. - Yeah, yeah. - I think, you're not bright, you're not considered a bit. - Some ways maybe, but like, I've never been described as bright, but I'm not good at it. - Yeah. - Let me get the confession. - No, no, no, no. I'm not good at remembering and with that, I'm not remembering. - You're not good at remembering. - I'm not good at school with like, book learning. - Yeah, I'm not one of those. I'm like, street wise and all that. - No, really good. - Okay. - Good with my hands. - But you're not dim. - I'm probably saying, like, this is what Martin Brine would be saying. - That's the mean. - That's just look good out here. If people have dim on a list, no. Is it like, is it like, do we, Martin Brine was described as dim, was like, he can only do like one or like two things. Like, he could work with his hands. You probably shovel shit and like, do you know what, wash himself, wipe his ass? Like buy, cook, and eat food. That's a bit of it. Like, he's not gonna be writing books or playing instruments or. - Yeah, he must have been on the scale of like, he doesn't need a carer, but he'd almost need a carer. - Yeah. - You know, one of those, you know, the government goes, well, you know, the cancel man would be like, you have a carer, no, you're a carer. - I'm married. - I'm married, yeah. - I'm married, I've got a carer. - Love it for all that. But I've asked you the question. I've never really heard the word dim before or since just to describe a person. - I've heard it like in the last two weeks I've been researching this thing. I've heard it, I think like 60 times. - I love saying that. They must have just gone, well, dumb is a bit nice, dim. But dim and dumb. - Or he can't use the R word, he can't use that. - You know what, I reckon that's what it is 'cause everyone would have gone to I like what you said earlier, he's borderline retarded. - Book, book, recadies. - In Australian accent sounds fantastic. Like, it sounds fantastic. - And spastic, that's the other one I'd say. - And we'd have that in Ireland, you'd be spa. - spa. - I'll let's say, you can say, the Irish accent you can say spa. We'd shorten to spa, spa-z-mat-az. - Spa-z-mat-az. - And then we'd shorten and lengthen it again. Like spa-z-mat-az. Oh, spa-z-mat-az. So in the playground, and Martin Brott would be in a spa-z-mat-az, but they can't say spa-z-mat-az on the news. So they say dim. So that's the answer to the question. - That's gonna be a t-shirt. I'm gonna just have, just do like, you know the old Batman box right and this is like, "Pew, pow." - Wow. - Spa-z-mat-az. - Spa-z-mat-az. - That's gonna be a t-shirt, bro. - Oh, I'm ruined. - Oh, you lost the call for protection. - Oh, no, I can't. - God, I'm out of it. - From the source. - It's regulation. (laughing) It's regulation. - COVID safe. - Waka-waka. - Waka-waka. - Here we go. - Right. - Oh yeah, definitely. - Look, I'm up, okay. - This is a crazy tale. And it's a set of devastation, devastant events for the people of Australia, which eventually resulted in a nationwide buyback of over 640,000 weapons and the effective dewebabilization of Australia. But some people maintained that it was all the setup to disarmed the population. Martin Bryant was a scapegoat and the powers of prosecution of the Commonwealth of Australia set out to take back the guns of the populace and leave Martin Bryant holding the receipt. A lot of mad people, a lot of angry people in Australia during the '90s over this and the government and John Howard and all of these motherfuckers are common. And from my cold, they had hands like a lot of that stuff going on, DNA and America was all over the shit. It was a huge story and don't blame the same, had the same effect in the UK and all the hangons were all taken. It was a mass disarmament of the population. I think not like that happened in America at that time, as far as I could find, maybe there was something smaller, it didn't hit the red areas, but '99 Columbine happened and there was a huge movement and maybe they needed to see what the Mark research was over England and Australia losing their guns and then the American powers that be. Like I do think it's a fully understandable and acceptable conspiracy type accusation to say that the UK, Australia, America, like the power of five eyes, you know five eyes? Five eyes, well, like the ones that they burglars and chips. Five guys. - Right, right, right, right, right, right, right. - You get free peanuts, you know? - It's not that, I mean, probably not anymore often COVID, but you know. - An oversoluted global control mechanism. - You get free letters, man. It's all inclusive, onions. - This is five eyes. - Five eyes is like a security, I don't have it down here now, so we talk about it when we do this. Like anything you're missing this, we're gonna do it in like a live chat or something later on and have people come in and say, you fucking miss this, you go, ah, it's gonna happen, like we are gonna miss shit. Like this is, there's people error. This is their fucking, you know, reason for living this case, like the talk about this, the people who are emailing me, like so, I think I've got asked at least 150 times for this episode. So as you go through it, I wanna talk about the conspiratorial parts as well as like the facts, but like you can find the facts on the 25 podcasts. The case while one is probably the most. - That was very good. - Well produced and succinct. But it doesn't say anything about the conspiratorial aspects of the case. It doesn't say anything. - Just touches on it at the end. - Just a little, a little bit. - That was the end. - He goes, what the heck? Some people think this, bye. But then also a lot of the facts, like you were saying, of the podcast, I was like, where do they get all the information? Or I'd love just like a little reference bit at the end because there was a lot of stuff that I hadn't heard or seen or read from anywhere else that we'll get into later. But then you go, if that's true, well then that should have been one of the main arguments why it wouldn't have been or would have been a conspiracy. - Yeah, that's the thing, there's so many little bits that you could subjectively pick out and argue. Not a lot of the podcasts that I listen to that are out there now talk about it. And I think Tbf, that the shit that we say on this show, is probably going to be the only podcast that says that out loud from everything that I've found on Apple Podcasts to Spotify. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe there's another show. - So it wasn't gonna take it down. Maybe they did say it, but they took it down. - I mean, who the fuck knows, man? Seriously. - John Howard's still out there, bloody. - He tagged that, like, tagged that down, man. Still on my track, so it's running around. - He's tracky, yeah. - So this fucking, like, conspiratorial aspects of it, like the questions that we ask, it's the same kind of thing that you can ask about, like, Alan Lans in Sandy Hook, about James Holmes in Aurora about Harrison Cleebold. - Yeah, my brain. - Yeah, it's back. - Wap up. - Harrison Cleebold or Columbine. Like, those guys had back stories. There was questions to be asked. There was, like, it's legion-ish suspicions about how the operations happened during the day, but demo, as we find with all of these, I don't know how many of these episodes you've listened to or if you're into conspiracies and stuff. There's always some fucking shenanigans somewhere. And even if there's not, there's somebody who will find shenanigans. - Yeah, yeah. - When there's a gap, if you leave a tiny gap. - Tiny gap. - 'Cause that's all people just want answers. That's where theories, and I mean, you're not a nut if you believe in a theory of something, because everyone is a theory. But if there's a gap that we want answers, everyone wants answers. Especially when there's so many lives, so many lives were affected, not just the friends family. - That's the big engine of the victims. - The whole of Australia got the guns took. But that's a big thing. And I think a lot of people who want to argue against that will use this as their fulcrum of argument to be able to go like, well, it's because of my Bryant, and that case what did my Bryant do with, therefore we shouldn't have got the guns taken, therefore give us our guns back. 'Cause it's like whatever we want, we'll find a way to get it. That as well has to be taken into consideration when you talk about the mad conspiracy parts of this. Well, it's a fucking weird case, and nobody online was talking about it. I had to go through a rake of crazy websites. I referenced anything crazy. I call it the reference and you can go look at that URL yourself, people at home. Some of them are like blog spot websites and really dodgy black with green right. And as is the fair for those conspiracy guys, you're looking at, I'm fucking burning my eyeballs, I'm looking at this shit for you people. And I let you in, like show you the links, you can go look at yourself. Someone's fucking crazy. And it does make any sense, the evidence of it does make any sense. There's elements of it that are like, why didn't they ask that? Why didn't look into this? It's just fucking very spurious and neatly packaged and just gone and wiped away. And then the effects just roll out. And similar with the Las Vegas shooting, we're gonna do an episode of that in season nine. I have a big five hour job. I'm kind of retrospectively look at all the, this case and a few of the other cases and look at the similarities. This just cleanest matters like something not right. - Yeah, man, it's hard. - It's only been after fan straight away, but it's fucking, it's weird. - Yeah, and it's not easy taking guns from people. And usually gun owners right. And a lot of my family gun owners. And it's not, it's usually right up there with their favorite things that they own. Like you can go, we're taking 64, the 100,000 fish tanks. With your fish in them, you'd be like, "Ah, yes, yeah, Goldie, but you're gun." There's something about it. - No one's allowed to wear jambals anymore. - Yeah. - To kind of like, "Oh, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah." Or your whole wardrobe. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Sure, I'll get you close. - Speed ice. - You're gun. Don't you dare. Is it because a little bit, it's an extension of your hand. I think if you're really into guns as well, not only is you're like, "Oh man, I'm protected with this thing." Or I can attack it, Ben. You know, I think is that a little bit of an insecurity in people that we need something because I have a plank of wood by my bed my dad It is well like just in case As a sex tie or something. Yeah, well that as well, but it doubles as just in case just in case someone breaks in and gives me a Thank you sir May have another yeah, no one's no one's coming after me my family. No one wants my crappy 10-year-old laptop like no one That's the only thing that's could be worth anything in there But like if I was allowed to have a gun I totally have a gun here. I totally have a hangover. Oh, guns are cool man Not that they're cool, but like someone breaks into your house Like I don't want to be coming downstairs in my juxtaposition belly hanging out and not to defend myself Except a hand with some skin on it like that's yeah Well watch walking tour with a rock you can do a lot with a plank of wood Right, okay, I mean I know if they have a gun you screwed But if they have a gun you have a gun you're screwed anyway because they were more prepared than you because they can't even Anyway, we can talk about this for a bit but I want like I have a couple of small little bats and I have like metal Arches and shit like just secreted around the place and little bits and bubbles I've got a I've got a replica but it's a baby gun but it's a replica and it looks and it's heavy and dark It's scary somebody yeah, and I don't want to kill anyone anyway It's very less I'm gonna shoot something in the cock because that's worse than death your move creep Obviously Yeah, yeah, it's you know, there's all just I've with you this is a lot of it. It's about the gun chat So let's we'll start with the old gun chat, but I'm like I fight guns because you know, I think my my I've got family in Arizona And my auntie my cousin Eric he gave my auntie another assault rifle for Christmas and she loved it and it was pink Amazing, that's probably wasn't cheap. No, but he loves his money and she loves guns. She loves guns. They love guns She drives you know, she rides a heart I could like I've had these I would hate I would hate to say to like sorry, sorry, I'll just just continue on that I would hate to say to like anyone I know I'll just even my auntie just gone. Sorry kind of you can that's who's gonna say it She loves it. She's done nothing wrong. We've had these conversations before where people it's just their normality Like she's probably grown up at other whole life and to have like a pink automatic rifle Be like cool. I mean it's probably semi-automatic if it's America. Yeah, yeah, I don't really I don't know if I see the need for like Mad machine guns everybody the hat but like rifles are hand guns like cool, you know, it's a it's a Personal opinion, but I believe yeah in more freedom than more restriction. Yeah, but it is just the Character to gun control debate is like should semi-automatic and automatic rifles be allowed? I'm gonna talk about this a little bit more later on. Yeah, but if they if they'd banned it at the the Hottel Street shootings or the you know Early ones in Australia, then this wouldn't happened because because Martin was dim. There's no way he wouldn't mean able to I wouldn't say yeah, like I know who was rich at the time. We'll talk about that as well But like how would he even get it? Yeah, like there's like the more barriers you get You know, you give him a wink in the show like just the things like that. No, it's really hard to get a gun You'd just be like oh well. I'll just be racist and yell instead of shoot or whatever Yeah, and it's the same as like if someone if someone's you know, there's something wrong in a classroom It's like all right. No one gets it. You know, it's the same as right Everybody everybody hand it all over hand your guns up and all over and you'd have to go well fair enough because we don't want You know that kid to put you and come under the desk anymore, you know, or you're grounded We're gonna take your gun off you for the week. No gun for the weekend now. Yeah, you'd be spoon You take your gun off you can't question you just love guns, but yeah, that's what I see It's it's an insecurity like if you were really good at any martial art or fighting or you know UFC or anything you wouldn't feel the need to have one as much Because you'd be like you think Bruce Lee was like oh man, I want a gun, you know like nah man you go I'll be fine Yeah, but if Bruce Lee was to go into a fight with a lad with a gun. Yeah, he'd lose you of course But that's the thing I think the mentality is if everybody else has guns I should have one as well Mm-hmm because like you don't bring a knife to a gunfight or a hand with some skin quick fix And if you if you ban all the guns there's still people in Australia with guns and legal guns. There still is yeah But like it's still better than it was Yeah, but like as far as you know, I mean I could have be a coincidence. There's been no shootings Maybe we just all just we just thought now we don't want to do that again. We don't want to say that again I think I think maybe Australians have a bigger social conscience than maybe other other nations Tell me maybe Let's get into my brain to talk about who he is and why maybe it might like you're obviously from from what you've heard in the last little while you can see that I'm kind of leaning towards the conspiracy side I'm like yeah, no this might not have happened the way that shit. Don't worry cuz I'll be a fight value guy Yeah, yeah, you can that you can only get an off to fence straight up But this is where we're going one talk about this stuff like I said there's loads of other podcasts that cover just the details I don't think we'd be doing that like at 131 he shut You know Graham whenever in a in a in a booth on in the car the way by bullet winning through his clavicle like I'm not doing that It's like this shit happen If you want that case for you is a brilliant I leave the link for it below you can listen to that and the top the bottom a brilliant Rendition of the story we're going to talk about the weird stuff about this case So if you're looking at this as another like port actor episode Obviously by now He's we're gonna be on bullshit now, but we have to ask all these questions because our who is a one quick question before getting it Do you think the conspiracies would have come up if none of the guns were banned? I do think they would have been just they were just gone. Yeah cool if he had a round and stabbed a lot of people and then they banned knives I'd be like Yeah, that's weird too like the whole scenario for me top to bottom His life How he lived his life the days of the shooting and the core case and the subsequent Consequences Top bottom is at all very hard. Yeah, like 100% died So maybe you could take us through some early early Martin Brian's demo and give us a little little background into who he was and How we start off is like let's talk about this maniac as I called in my nine and honest six Dory you judge mental prick No, yeah I know because I've lived 17 and a half years So Martin Bryant was born on 7th of May and 1967 and for anyone who's birthday is the 7th of May That's always a little aw that sucks because you'll never forget that now. Yeah There's four developers something like that. Oh you even know Yeah, Hobart and Tasmania and he's the son of Maurice and Carlene which must be one of the osiest girl names I was reading that as Morris in my head is Maurice is that who the Yeah, as an Aussie ago more what would you say Morris Morris? I like Maurice. Yeah, yeah, Maurice Morris, it could have been it could be either actually but my rest will be on more or oh, yes, I think in Australia More yeah, we drag on the first. Oh, no, it's that we drag out the first part of words more and here you drag out the second Okay, other words more let's call him Maurice then Maurice so much fun here Maurice Here's on people call me Maurice and Carlene. Yeah, we'll just call him space cowboy Martin Bryant his dad's a base cowboy and Carlene His mother is a fairly simple woman dim you might say no I just this is what it says her interviews man. I don't know. She's not she's not fucking winnerly terrible quizzes you know saying yeah, man like she's I of course he didn't do it, you know, but that's what a mum I mean Lyle like she He goes the interview goes why why don't you think you did it? He goes well, he said he wasn't there at the top as long oh Case closed thanks Carlene should have asked you bloody 20 years ago Maddie wasn't there mate. You told his mom who would lie to his own mother He's not an maniac. He's just dim a fairly simple woman. She's they love Slate and these family His mother's a fairly simple woman too. Do you know he but oh, he's not I thought so I'm gonna go where's this from? Sounds like a god oh bloody Yeah, if her interviews are anything to go by and she said there was something about Martin from a very young age that he was annoying and different and I mean most parents will say they're about the children, but I mean it definitely look like he was going different He was known in school to be violent and aggressive and very disruptive in class. There were reports of Him torturing animals I want to talk about that man. Good as a young kid This is not substance. Yes, she aided and maybe given as false evidence to make a mass shooting spree seem more legitimate Exactly so it was at the case file one does the only place I heard that he tortured animals and shot birds with his right I thought it was the only place and that Peace is found in a Book that was a reference through something like Wikipedia So whoever wrote that in the book is reference from Wikipedia and the person in case well put it into the episode because they Obviously got the notes from there But it's referenced in the book I couldn't find a second source to corroborate the fact that the tortured animals But it seems like a very serial killerish typing to say are do. Yeah, so I don't know if they're just saying it because They'd be like I will then but that it if they have a chance the torturing of the animals may be from when he was a child He got a gift of an aeroi full and he would go out and like shoot rats and rabbits Yeah, and then like the torturing of them was like the gut and rabbits and but Some people just call that haunting. Yeah, it was one of them like each other bird But then he would go up and it wasn't dead yet. So they just shot them in the head Yeah, so like torturing animals is a fucking subjective term then in that case But if you want to twist it so that he's a murder or any kill a lot of people torture animals warning sign That means that no children ever in the world will be able to be given a weapon and not torture to shoot young because then there'll be Kid kid to be for getting animal killers and could turn up to be serious It's again the same thing of like someone with autism does a terrible thing therefore autism is all and you know, anyone could just snap at any time and be an announcer or something like that. - Yeah, but wherever that came from the account that he did do that as a child, so they must have known him as, they must have known him the family, to even know that or be friends from school. - The book obviously has sources as a book, but I didn't even go that deep to find a good point. - Yeah, it's really hard to find. - I couldn't find a second source on it. I'll say that, anyway. - Yeah, but I mean, his mum was like, I'll say that another minute, and his mum's fault obviously, 'cause she raised another kid as fine, but she was the one that did give me a rifle, so maybe. - Yeah, but like a Christmas story, the Fuka movie. - Yeah. - That has a kid who gets away for Christmas, like it's a part of the culture, well up until '96 it was. - Yeah. - We're like young Australian kids, we're going out. - Come, hunt 'em there. You come in. - Yeah, especially if you had a farm and all that. It's just part of it. - Yeah, it's fun. - Like every day you come. - Shoot environments, sir. - It was almost, you know, it's more humane to obviously kill an animal in the head instantly than to let it slowly die out there with like a sore leg of it. - Yeah, but if you've got to the rules here, like if you clip an animal, you have to track that content and kill them. You can't just let them off to just die in the woods and he's on, like it's part of the haunted license, you know? - Yeah, hunting license, mate. You can't just like spray a bunch of animals and just leave them. I'll be fine, nature will sort it out. Well, yeah, you're not nature, bro. Okay, let's have a look. He was bullied relentlessly in school and experts say, this is where he learned to replicate this violent behavior. He was distant from reality and unemotional. Again, language associated with killers, when they were young and was removed from several schools for his behavioral issues. Oh, was he? - Yeah. - School to school. - School to school in high school, he's moved from one to the other. He had to leave, thank another one. I mean, it's because like he'd be pushed to a certain point and then he'd just like retaliate and slap back. There wasn't that in the school's shoot and there wasn't that about like, you know, he's platinum revenge, like that, but he was a carry type character who was just getting bullied and then he'd retaliate with like extreme prejudice. - Yeah. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. Turns out that Martin was diagnosed with aspergers. Aspergers, like five guys. Asperger's syndrome, but only relatively recently. - Yeah, yeah, so like years later. - Yeah, probably at aspergers. - Tautley, too late, yeah. - His early diagnosis was potentially schizophrenia. Yeah, that's what they were saying. Even the cops were given that when they were going in the gun. He's probably schizophrenia, like, yeah, not that many people schizophrenia. Like they're not in that character for that long. - It's a very specific diagnosis and a very specific set of symptoms, but they're like, oh, he's fucking schizophrenia. - Yeah, schizophrenia would have been the thing. And when you say it in that, schizophrenia, schizophrenia. - Schizophrenaz, schizophrenia, schizophrenia. - What, what, how would you? - Yeah, so spasimataes, schizophrenia, schizophrenia for pants. I don't know. Just pick ball in here. Don't point me on the knee. - You're gonna shock me on the lantern again. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Schizophrenia. - Schizophrenia, blitzau, I'd say. - Or dramatically low IQ, which meant he got a disability pension. Yeah, he was tested on IQ score 66, which put him at the level of a regular 11-year-old. He was assessed. Oh, I'm sorry. He was assessed by school authorities. Sometimes I just italics ran in words when I reason, but I'm reading, I don't know what I do. - What's the next question? - I just thought that would be really assessed. He was assessed. Oh, that's not the starting bit. Sorry, everybody. - Yeah, and on into this late teens, this is when I had to read at Lan and Class. This is when I was never told it was bright, 'cause my reading skills isn't great. He's into his late teens and they said, "Because he likes my garden, "maybe he could get a job as a gardener, "which shows how they were classifying people "by industrial in usefulness at the time." So they go, "Well, he can't speak and read, "so get his hands in the dirt." - Yeah, get him built in something. - Yeah, during a trial, the ADHD and Asperger's diagnosis came into the conversation and not dissimilar to Adam Lanza, as we're saying, from the Sandy Hook School shooting, his AST was vilified and made seem dangerous. In the words like, "Distant and unemotional," which also ring true for psychopaths and unfair comparison. - Absolutely. - It's absolutely unfair and I think during the trial, they're panted, Brian, to be like a kind of a, you know, a retarded who had no control over himself and could just like spaz, metaz, out at any point and just like fucking kill a lot of people. It was the same narrative with Adam Lanza. It was like, it was a ticking time bomb. And his mother was into guns and he shot his mother and then went down to the school and shot all the kids in school. So it's like, I don't know, maybe Adam Lanza, might Bryant are on a similar kind of narrative, character narrative. - Yeah, I mean, everything's, it's always, it's like if these things didn't happen, like if he wasn't bullied, if he didn't get a gun, what would he have still been like? - But that's what was a spaz, amataz, yeah, it's mad. - Exactly, looking at that on all the true crime episodes. Like if John Wayne Gacy hadn't, you know, been repressing his gayness for all of those years and then he got like a massive, like massively important, like role in society. He was part of the like Rosary Clover, like the defancy const the way it affairs is and the chains and the all ground secret handshake is he was part of that and then they have after parties and he brings loads of, the, his, his, like, his fucking committee members, sons back to have like a party in the basement and they just get in loads of coke and just suck his dick and all. And then like I said, don't turn that into your diet. Like his fucking bananas, his latent homosexuality made him like, he, 'cause he was married and all and he was poor, but a clan with the kids and he was lovely, as poor, he was lovely, but as like a councilman, he was like an evil quant, you know? So he'd fucking go, sexually assault young boys and then like murder them and bury them in the fucking bed. But like when we were reporting on it, they're kind of half-blammed his latent gayness. It's like if he was just allowed to be like openly gay, maybe he wouldn't have like, like damaged those young boys 'cause it was like violent sexual stuff. Like, and he like, no, my fucking weird like, yeah, I'm guessing most gay men up until just recently were probably in the closet. Oh yeah, well I mean, that's what I'm saying. - And they're not all crazy maniacs. - And neither are all the people who have autism, or who have like, ASD spectrum disorder, or have like, you know, I need these other things that would associate with, like not even us like a pants become murderers, some of them become like seahors. - Yeah. - You know what I mean? I'd live a perfectly normal, well, like, - Absolutely. - Sometimes people with ass virgins they're just really good at focusing on things, and that gets them to the next level. - You know, it could be it could be, it could be, it could be. - Yeah, it could be. - It could almost be a good thing. - Or just some modes or something. - I'm really good at exams, 'cause my autism, you know, you're really good at studying. - Brilliant. No, it's fucking, it's weird how they boxed them into this, like, you know, he's spasmatized, so he's that, totally understandable how he killed all those people. I think that's unfair. - But what I could say before, it's, he was fully in control, like from just the small interviews that I've seen that I've out there, like he's not like, he's not, he's not not not Tourette, he's not a virgin. - He's not hapless. - He owns everything, he knows what he's doing, like, he's not. - Did you think he has every faculty, like he knows what he's doing? He's set, like, a lot of people, and especially women with a ASD, they end up finding these coping mechanisms would make it, an awful lot more difficult to diagnose, and they get diagnosed in later life, because they don't think they have autism, where I'm plus the fact all of the autistic tests, the tests to diagnose autism are all male leaning. So they're all set up for males in the young age. So like if you have a small kid and he's fascinated with a color and like putting all the stuff colored together and groups, all the stuff, and there's really like, particular about symmetry and all that stuff, like they're like worn, like, what, not worn on signs, but they're like, fucking, - He's really good at pino, lock him up. - It's like, worn and has a negative context, but they're worn on signs of like potential, you know, ASD, right? But girls don't display like that. And then they learn how to like mimic and mirror, they learn how to like, inflect their voice, in tone, they're able to read faces and emotions and have like better, even though it's still like less, they're less able than like, quote unquote, regular people, right? So like, if you're a woman and you have all of these corporate mechanisms, it's very hard to diagnose you. Maybe Brian was able to, because of his low intelligence, he's like, well, if I just like smile a nod or have a little, somebody says something that I don't understand, if I just go like, just giggle. - Yeah, right. And he was doing that all through the full complete interviews, all through the trial. And people saw it and in a, going on normal person, that would denote like a crazy psychopathic, unemotional maniac. - How could you laugh at this kind of thing? - How could he be laughing? - Some people have a, like, who just laugh after a sentence, just as a, because, back in the day, yeah, just a awkwardness or something. - Yeah, sometimes I do. And there's just, you don't want that silence, I have to say something, he's like, yeah. Nice day, isn't it? You know, like that, just so it's not like, nice day, isn't it? Like a creep staring at them, you know? Sometimes people even fill in in with coughs and stuff like, yeah. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Or, or, or, yeah, yeah. - Yeah, yeah. - Yeah, yeah. - Yeah, yeah. - So like, Brian, you could see in these fucking interviews with those cops, there's a 60 minutes interview where the show's sections are, I could try to find the original and I'd love to see it. - Yeah, same. - Because I'd say it absolutely smacks of Brendan Dassy from Megan and Murder as well, the same kind of shit. - Yeah, the stick men, they said, oh, he drew that. - I doubt it. - I mean, we'll get it, we'll get into that. But you go, did he draw? - Did he draw that? - Did he draw that? - Is this the thing, so what do you even remember? - It's weird that they would paint them that way. And this is how, as we go on, remember that the government, the media, everybody, everybody has, Brian's pegged as some kind of unemotional, like spasmatas. - Mm. - It's gonna be a t-shirt, I'm going to come in and have people wear spasms. Spasms. I mean, you can, you can, he was, and yet he was still skilled enough to plot a multi location severely effective and very deadly mass shooting against a whole town that has a lot of people including like police and, you know, tour guides, security guards. Like it's like he did an ocean's 11 all on his own. You know, it's like true. He's like, I don't know what's next. It could be cast as my Bryant in the movie because it's all like rolling down hills chasing out for people in the woods like fucking snipe, so many headshots. It's very, very weird that they would label him as this and that the people would just take it in and go, yeah, yeah, he's an evil retard. Yeah, look at the half. It's weird. But those two things are diametrically, appaused logically that he could be that simple and then do the piece that that's successful at what he tried to do. Yeah, I mean, it comes across like the Joker or something. Yeah. I think it's people, like you said, if there's a gap in the facts, people have filled it with their imagination. And they go, that's what I think. Yeah, totally crazy. Should we go? Oh, love it. Do you want to do love us and on or during the I want to talk about this right? So this part of the story, fucking blue, my mind. Me too. Couldn't understand. Couldn't understand why or how this all came about. But my Bryant, a good looking lad, he kind of styled himself in that kind of a phytoid idol as surfer dude, like, good, I might like some kind of fucking summer bay looking. Yeah, he had to add a point break. Yeah, zinc knows bleached blonde hair, tanned reasonably fish young lad, like, like fairly good looking. Yeah. Yeah. And he was kind of like a nerdy weirdo short hair and he almost chose that persona. You did well, like strapping a surfboard to the roof is car when he doesn't surf. That's that's choosing the son of he did that for months, if not years. Yo, that was just his thing. He just had a sword and he dragged down to the beach and he hang out. I'm a surf's looking pretty good today. Yeah. I like those waves. Is it? Like the white bits. Did you hang on mate? Hang on and I'll owe you one. Yeah. But this fucking he never went into the fucking sea demo. Never went into that. Didn't like the water too much. Isn't that insane? Yeah. But he picked that persona and somebody liked to look at them. That's like on a library and just sitting there just looking at a blank book. I'm sure I want to look and wear glasses with no lenses. Don't want to look smart. Oh, people do that now. People wear glasses with just plain. I think real well. Yeah. You're fucking real ones. Yeah. They're probably just pretty good. I can't see nothing son. But yeah, my brain like he he would be able to take you if you didn't wear glasses. Would people take you the seriously? I have such weird eyes. They seem to face with their eyes. I want to put them in. Okay. We got cameras. Camera one. Now you look like a conspiracy fear. I'm not got such weird. Look at the weird shape of my eyes compared to my head. Like. What do you mean? They're like too big for my face and they're like in the weird kind of amundy shape. But they're supposed to be amunds aren't they? Yeah, but in a weird way. They're not like they don't. They're definitely different without the glasses. Just like you know what's going around when you have to pick your character and you just go across the different eyes. Yeah, you do look like you've picked different eyes for a different character. And the other way when you're on mad drugs and you're looking at yourself in the bathroom or under the stairs and somebody's house. Yeah, always about. I do. Really bad idea. There's so many times he's looked at myself like this. I was like, are my eyes straight? Do I have straight eyes? Look at me doing it. Yeah, they're level minor. I'm like at least I've got one eye that's. But sometimes this one goes off this way and looks off to the side. I see like like Barney when he belches. Yeah. In the same sense. No, they look it so far. But sometimes they do do that. I have a stigmatism in one eye and it's shit like a ruby ball. I mean, they're not crossed. No, they're not crossed. But they're little bit like. Yeah, yeah, they wouldn't be directly at that one's looking right over my shoulder. A little bit. Yeah, it's fucked up because I have to look that way or else it's a focus. Somebody brand makes my eye do that. It's weird, man. No way. So one of my eyes is definitely the might my fight. That's why I fit in. No, no way. No way. Look at that half. Sorry, we should do this off-screw. Okay, look in there. Okay. So like if I do your perfectly symmetric nose, I probably got one of that Tom Cruise tooth as well. Do I? Who knows? No, you're going to get a lot of pieces there. Anyway, Martin Bright was better looking than both of us. Let's say that. 100%. We'll get back in there. But only half a smite. Only half? He was dim. He was half as dim. He was good looking lad. He like he was kept well. He had a style. He chose that style. It was a surf for kind of shorts and the board, like vans and hanging around at the beach and shit like that, hanging around at the lifeguard station. He's like, oh my. Like pauser basically. Yeah. But he obviously is a buzzer. He's a total fucking pauser. His whole life is a pose. Yeah. How come that? No, I want to say that already on any of these articles. He's a poseer more than he's dim. Yeah. Big pauser. He would be a big pose as number one because that was his whole thing. Look at me on this thing that I'm not. I can't believe that didn't vilify, uh, didn't vilify like surfers like he was a surfer. You want to watch out? They saw it. They saw it. They saw through that though. That's why surfers are like, no, he's not with us. He doesn't touch the water. Doesn't touch the water. Imagine if he did. Imagine if he was a really good surfer, but they just had no evidence in all the surfers are like, no, mate, he never touched the water. He's not one of us. We're cool. Maybe he was really good and they just treated this a bad one. They just didn't want him. They just didn't want to be good at anything. That's another conspiracy for him. I'm going to ask all the surfers around Hobart and the port area in 1996. There must be, if he's hanging around the beach and there's other people on the beach in Australia, all surfers, someone must have been like, I know that yellow Volvo. Yeah, man, he was just angry. He was a great surfer. Man, he'd run straight in. He's shoes and everything would come off as he was running down the beach. His line, his line, his line grain, the pants suit. And his caravan. Yeah, yeah. It was off as if. His surfboard was covered in snake skin, mate. It was the smell of the surfboard on the beach. That would have been a good intro to the whole story. He's like, yeah, mate, his surfing was sick, but it was also sick in the head. Yeah, it's mad, man. It's a very strange style to pick, but I mean, not that probably at the time he's living in Hobart, it's not exactly like it's not fucking summer bay. It's not massively populated. It's not super popular. Maybe it's a good surf and location because it's got the fetch from the. All the penguins swimming by all the way. Yeah, both. Yeah, so he caught the eye of a lady when he was finally free of the torture of school life. I met this woman called Helen Harvey when she was 54 and he was only 19. So some young fresh cock for Helen. Was that Wikipedia? Just like, that's not like the other ones squeezing the bread like Patsimari. Yeah, it's squeezing all the cocks to see if they're fresh. This is the fresh one. This is Matt. She was the aeros to the Tashr Sal gambling company. That's massive. Which operates in Tasmania, Victoria, Northern territory. So it's like the national lottery, but like for a certain part of Australia. It's huge. And she was the family kind of aeros to their fortune. And she met Martin when he was running his lawn mowing service in Hobart. So he was going around going, "Will I mind you lawn?" And she was like, "I can think of one or two things you could do instead of mine my lawn." You want to trim me bush? Yeah, yeah, that's going to stop. Wack the weeds out of the front yard if you know what I'm saying. So she was Greg Erdinsing open the house. Do you know that Greg Erdins? Do you mean pubes? No. All right, she wasn't that old. No, 54. Yeah. Greg Erdinsing. No, she was open the house. What's Greg Erdins? Do you know what he's talking about? There's like a documentary where two, like a woman and her mother like living in this house and the house has fallen apart around them and there's like lots of books and junk and a hoarding in the house and all that's all. Do you ever see that? No, it's no. It's fucking weird documentary. Am I homework? I'm like 52 old women and like some weird old movie doc like very strange but Greg Erdinsing means becoming like a crazy old cat lady. She did have loads of cats. Sorry. I thought it was a force. So 40 cat. Yeah, her and her mother, they were living in this mansion in Hobart after a quickener job with it has many railways in her late 20s or early 30s. It took early retirement. She's the fucking areas to millions of dollars of fortune from a gambling company. So her and her mother bought this in the house, put the grounds were very unkempt and then rocked up looking hot. Got the surfers vibes. Can I do you a garden and offered to knock the weeds off her yard and she was like, yeah, come on in, but they had some kind of weird little kinship. They made like, made like little buddy buddies. So in the book, Barnard Bread by Robert Wainwright and Paola Totaro, the two writers go into detail about this relationship. And I think that's probably one of the most important parts of this story because it was the only time that Martin was probably shown like true love friendship and acceptance. And when that was taken away, spoiler alert, when that was taken away, isn't Jion. You know that eventually then on together. It was taken away from them and unexpected circumstances and it was in a spiral of him going out of control and possibly planning to murder. So I'm going to sit for the telling of the story on both sides of fence and tell us as it is, if we're saying that Martin did all this shit and it's a real tragedy and he's the guy that did it more trying to figure him out, this is the fucking reason why. Yeah, 100%. Right. From what I can say from everything of red and watching that, this is his only real friend. Yeah, man. I mean, he had girlfriends, but that was probably just like blow your muck and say, Atlanta, don't be beans. Because he was hot and then the fun out is a bit dim. Yeah, but sure, I mean, it's got money. I don't know how many young ones out there listening can say that they took a dim, hard cock. Like it was as dim as it was, hard. And they were just like, well, look, you're fucking you have to way up your options. Yeah, I mean, if you He was a good listener and he was hard and he looks good. That's all you need. Just to start an eye for a relationship. He had some shit and he couldn't understand and all he would respond to it was like a smile in a laugh and you're dead right and he had a hard car and a hot body. I mean, that's almost like a perfect eye for some people. Yeah, fear the eye Cuban 11 year old. This is the movie big all over. Yeah. He's Tom Hanks. Yeah, that is a weird movie about Peter Feade. He's Tom Hanks and Helen here is the one that works in the computer game shop and he's touched a bit. Yeah. Totally man. Helen asked me and all and I have to say it without any sex with him. Hard in the city. Hard in the city that both of them sticking out of a limo. It's gone through Hobart. I can see it man. Jump it on down the trampolines inside. They're up in the mansion hall by shooting each other with silly string. Totally man. Lovely. And John had drink just throws a ball to the Pepsi machine. Pepsi Cola. Pop's out. Emue, bet us. I can't. What it is. Oh, yeah. Yeah, it's fucking weird man. But according to Wayne Wright and Totaro, the relationship was purely platonic that she obviously had a fucking strange upbringing as well being the millionaire ares of a fortune and she quit in her late 20s early turkeys. She wasn't having fun being with people and just living with her mom in an old crappy mansion. Yeah, man. It wasn't crappy but the inside was crappy because they're leathercore crappy because they didn't take air of it. Well, the outside was crappy until Martin clandered up with his normal. Yeah. So the writers maintained it definitely wasn't sexual relationship and that the two had deep, a deep connection like best friends. So the house was a mad crazy mess. I had 40 cats and a 14 dogs and a load of crazy hoarded shit that she would buy on her mad shop and sprays. She go to these antique shops and she go to all of these places all around and buy every just lashing the hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of stuff and just filling the house up full of shit, you know. So her mental state wasn't the best eater and then coupled with Martin's eagerness to please and the inability to read social cues. They made a strange but unexpected match and it's something that's not talked about as much as I think it should be in a lot of the other podcasts. It's just kind of mentioned like he might friends with a millionaire ares and when she died spoiler alert, um, lift all these money. You know, this kind of thing. Yeah, you go. That's it's a lot there to just throw away in one sentence. 100%. So how much Helen's mother was literally wasted away in the house in a chair downstairs sleeping upright at night time and on the cats, probably. Yeah, the cat's up on her own. Eating her bed sores and all. She was rotting from the ares out. She did the house smell terrible. Yeah, cat man. You live with one cat at stinks. Imagine that times 40 but it's not. Yeah, 40 boxes of cat piss. Oh man. To be clean there every day. And they don't always go in the triad the cat don't they'll go somewhere secret and then you're like the placements like ammonia. Why does my house smell like an open can of paint? This is fucking ghost. So this is this sounds a bit like Noah's Ark man and 14 dogs 14 dogs as well. And who's picking up after them? Shit. Nobody. I know one. So this old woman was sitting in the chair because she had broken her hip and for two years before Martin got to the house. She wasn't able to go up and down and they didn't bring it to the hospital to fix her hip even though they have millions of dollars. Yeah, that's not right. I don't know man. Get an ant takes it. Was that your tell me your mind? Oh, that was mine. That was yours at all. Yeah, I'm building up. I'm building up a new innumerable fire. I'm going to squeeze my life after you leave. But imagine that. I have an all that money but not even the thought to go I'll get a cleaner in here or I'll get a dog groomer or get like a. I'm anybody. Bet somebody who can get a fucking one of those Betty white stair lifts to get the mugger up and down the stairs to go to bed. Yeah. Like this thing about like being at the you know the crazy cat lady. Let's just talk about it from one sac real quick. If you love cats, there must be a certain amount of cats you can't you won't be able to care for them if you have too many. So then you're almost spreading the love of two ten you mean. Yeah. And so then you can't love cats that much because most of them are just you know in just repute. Can you say cats and just repute? I think the cats claim to take care of themselves mostly we have a lovely cat here notions and notions on us. She claims to take care of herself. Yeah, one cat does. Imagine 39 other cats getting in a way. Later having the crack you throw the fucking a bin bag full of catnip and they'll go out it for the weekend and they'll be fucking like happy out man. Yeah, maybe. But then you got a dodge 14 dogs as well as a bit a bit much and they're much more needy you telling me over dozen dogs and all of them are cool with cats. No way, Josie. It's got to be there's got to be at least a couple of them dogs are like I'm sick of these cats because instinctively they're not supposed to like cats. But it's it's over 50 animals in a in a house that's a mansion. But if you look at pictures of it, it's not like, you know, it's not fucking. Is that what I'm talking about? It's mine. It's all my joy. I told you I'm cooking it up. The barrel is getting full. You're talking about not something to size it down to an abbey you're talking about like a decent size like city home like four or five bedrooms maybe and not like way more than two women need. But Martin came over. He started to take care of everybody. He started picking up after everyone. But like you said, it is too many. Did she love the cats? He can't love that many cats. But maybe she was lonely. Yeah. I couldn't I couldn't remember 40 cats. No way. Imagine if you're a 30 and you're taking care of your mother and then for 20 years and then she breaks her hip and you're 54. You haven't really had like that normal experience of life like that. Like she's not living and working and doing stuff. She just couldn't spend money on a fill in her house for the stuff like there's something lacking in somebody that has 40 cats and 14 dogs. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There's something in your head. So actually there's something wrong. Yeah. You couldn't even remember like you can't even remember all the reindeer's and then let I'm 40. Like do you really love your cat? I, you know, snowball too. 101 Dalmatians. The only reason there was so many is because the bitch wanted to make them into a court. Then right. Cruella Deville all over it. Do you know what I mean? So the house my like shit and it wasn't all from the cats. Some of it was from the mother. And the dogs. And the chicken. And the chicken. I'm always going back to the dogs. How could they have them living simultaneously? So Martin took the help of her and the house and the help of them with the mother and left her in and get her washed and creamed up and all that stuff on her on her bed sores and everything like that. But then some nosy conned reported them to the health authorities in 1990 and the mother was taken out of the house because she wasn't being cared for her property. And she died very shortly after being taken into care, which is, you know, sad face. And probably because you know, you get your body got used to certain things. She got used to that many animals and you know, cats. She wasn't smelling 40 cats today. I made a moña. Well, I'm kind of dull. It's the shame they didn't have like vape back then you could have a vape of cats, it's vapes. The rarest flavor. Do you got any cat piss? No, we got blueberry. No, no, cat piss to keep my mom alive. She's in a home. You understand? You nuts. But great was the accident there by the way better than mine. All the women accident. Do it again. Do that again. Do that again. Do it again. Do it again. If you go any moña. Oh brilliant. That's a damn ednaver. After this then the mansion had to be cleaned up and Martin went to help of his father. Marais did a whole job on clean up the place. All the horded shit was thrown away and now Helen was free to enjoy her life with her best buddy. What are the cats? Yeah, all the cats and all work are we're going to talk with them. Oh, okay. But her fascination animals meant that she could no longer stay in the mansion anymore. So Helen bought a farm for both her and Martin to live on in coping near to our coping, near to Hobart. Coping a feel. Do you say that a bit? Yeah, coping a feel. Yeah, coping a feel. Yeah, coping a feel. No, I had to go there. I used to go there. Coping a feel. Coping a feel. That's the place where all the night clubs were. Is it? No, I don't think coping a feel. Is that it? Yeah, that would be a good place. Copping face jacks. That's right. Copping face. So in coping they got this farm and it was like the best time in Martin's life. They had all the animals there and the cats had the fucking run of the place. I love it. Wild free green. All the dogs being one feel the cats being another feel. Just to shut me up. Yeah, really just separation all that stuff. And yes, so she used to bring Martin away on trips. She bought more than 50 cars. I don't know. I saw that one bird cat and then turned and then turned like he dogs. Yeah, four of the dogs couldn't drive. So they're like, I bought a lot of dogs just like hanging in the back out the window. Anyway, you know, you drive and all hang out the window. Yeah, imagine they bought another car and they went, well, we need another car for missions over there. It looks left out. That's so many cars. We'll have to go. I don't I saw that two places. The number 50 and I wondered is it 50 all at once or is it by one and the other one probably one and probably that probably that could be that. So they're buying new cars the whole time, but they weren't actually with that long spinner with the crazy driving stuff. Well, this is where we're going to talk about now. I don't know like did she keep a few to me? She like, Jay Leno. She has a whole garage full. Like, I don't know. I couldn't find the exact details of what 50 is a lot to be buying, right? So she used to bring them on sharpened trips. She'd bring her around the fucking place. She brought them on lavish lunches and dinners. He ate out all the time. This was like, he went in the house, can I moe your lawn and he ended up getting adopted, like get larfin' honey and Helen. Helen was his daddy war books, you know, daddy, a Harvey war books. Yeah. And fucking. It was sandy, sandy and 14 and 13 on the dogs. Yeah. So yeah, the Helen Harvey was now blowing her millions of dollars with her best he made having to crack. But the whole time though, Martin was still on disability and he was kept on her clothes watching his parents' authorities. And he's father reported that Martin would often say that he wanted to go around shooting people. That was one of his things. He's like, I'd love to go ahead and just shoot everybody. Now, I don't know if I believed that. How do they get that? Unless Martin says, yeah, he's doing what killing all the time was dad. Or more. Did he rather ever for you? Yeah, that's the thing. What? Who knows? And all of these books have this stuff. And it seems to be a narrative that would confirm the murderousness of Brian's character. But like with the other thing that we were talking about, like with the Serpent, like a campy substantiator wasy or wasy now, like with, you know, the events of the day, did he say what he said to some of the people? Like, he had like, I don't know, Swartz, and he's like, stick around. And he's shit, you know, the people were dead. So who witnessed that happen? Who witnessed that stuff? Martin didn't retell it. He didn't tell anything in these fucking interviews from everything they've read. And so it just all denouled and giggling and said it was him, but in the jockey wine and all that. Very weird. So they were living on the farm. He was having the fucking time his life, but he was going around saying, according to his father, that he wanted to go around shooting people. Now, maybe his father was reporting this to social services or something. Maybe he was, people were coming up to him and going, "Where are you listening to your youngful is hanging around with that Hill and Harvey?" She's a fucking crazy kid, lady. It's like, don't worry. You want to get, no, don't worry. You want to shoot everybody. You told me. You know what, what is that? Your dimsan. He's a bit dim, right? Dimsan. Right? Dimsan, right? No, Hill and Harvey is fucking pulling the shiny cock off him up and the mention up there. Like, maybe people were coming up to him and he was going, "Yeah, listen, there's another weird relationship that Hill and Harvey, the crazy cat lady has with my son who's also mentally deficient." So, like, and he's going to say, and he's going to shoot people and maybe she's kind of putting that into his head. I can understand how it could happen, but I couldn't find the sources to verify all that stuff. No, no, no. It makes sense for that narrative, as you say. And I'm face value, guy. I'd believe it. That's it. If you're telling the story this way, that's exactly what it sounds like. So, it was deemed that because he was saying all this stuff that he would be unsafe to let him out of his own, to live on his own. Like you said, somebody who would be, let's say, dim. They could live without a care, but he probably was barred to line, like, probably needing the care. So, they wouldn't let him out. He's like, "How could he follow tax return?" That's kind of thing. Or anything. How could he, how could he, you know, fucking, uh, or- Or, "Foreign, your pouching egg is hot." By something, get a bank account to pay for groceries and all this kind of shit, right? So, apparently, we want, apparently, what, vinegar to put your eggs in. And it keeps all the white together. Yeah, yeah. Apparently. So, this Marba fascination and unpredictability with what the shoe people then have fatal consequences as Helen died in fairly mysterious circumstances, where like, drive and one of her many cars one day, she did crash, then she died. And he was a passenger in there. Now this. Well, let's tell the story. Let's tell the story. Martin was reluctant to drive and he had a fear of getting these license. If indeed he was able to actually get one being- We could drive, you know what I mean? Move saying? Well, this is the thing with- What did you mean drive? Like, anyone can drive like, farwards. Yeah. And I messed the thing, but like, could he drive like- Can he power a little park? That's what I mean. Can he reverse? Can he park? That's like the lads who flew the planes in 9/11 like they could fly, but they couldn't land. Don't need to land. Don't need to land. Don't need to land. No, no plans to land. You're fine. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Explosives will take care of their eggs. Oh. No. No, it's still been- No, it's not. Martin, could he get a fucking license? Nobody knows. He would still slip into the driver's role and drive from the passenger seat and Helen would let him drive. So she'd like take the hands off the wheel and he'd be like doing the steer in when she was working the pedals. But this gave him a kind of a dust and half man in Ray and Man type of response where he was like, I want to drive now. And he just lean over and he just like, tug the wheel, which would be like, what? And he'd, if you've ever had a kid or somebody of deficient mental capacity do that while you're driving the car. It's dangerous, man. I mean, it's happened. Yeah. Or it's kind of like, only four of those ring and where's me for her? Take the wheel for a second and somebody in the passenger seat is just holding the wheel, just keeping it straight when it's on the motorway. I mean, we've all done that. Somebody's done this somewhere. Yeah. And the fact that it was the case file as well, that's where that came from. Well, that was one of the sources where it said that he would just love to grab the steering wheel and just jerk it in here and there. And he'd go, and Helen is like, she's not going to just veer into the other side of the road. No, but she also said that she used the, she used the lettering drive because he wanted to, but he would didn't want to sit in the driver's seat. And when he was sitting in the passenger seat, he'd reach the jerk for the wheel because she'd let them drive. He just like, it's my turn now, like a child who couldn't be told no. So she said she never went over like 50 kilometers now, or which is like 37 miles an hour. She never went over that because it doesn't matter. There's another guy coming to the wine. At any point, he could reach over and go yank and you're in the fucking, so that's what happened. They had two crashes before the, the fatal one where he pulled the wheel and they crashed into the ditch or they crashed into some where there was nobody else on the road. But in 1992, he yanked the wheel and they swirved into the oncoming traffic and crashed, breaking Helen's neck and killing the two dogs that she had in the back seat. So we're down to 12 dogs now, at 40 cats. And she died and no investigation was made. And he was okay. And he was, well, he wasn't okay. He was seven months in, he was injured. He was hospitalized for seven months, we're back in neck injuries. But he was made the sole beneficiary of Helen Harvey's will and got more than 650,000 Australian dollars into the claw. He didn't have a clue what money was really though. So the fortune was put under the management of public trustees. So it was kind of like, he's too, he's too dim to have all those riches. And yet he inherited everything, the house, all the money, all the assets. So I mean, is there a lot of there to kill Helen? Yes, sure. Why would you want to kill your best friend? I don't know. Yeah, I think it was an accident because like, like you say, things just land on his lap as far as I don't think he wanted money. It doesn't seem like this. He's not one of his or his major. He's just happy with it. He probably wanted to have a laugh at his mate more. I would say he'd value her company more. Yeah. Money does he didn't know what it was? Yeah, because he's always going to get, he just gets money anyway. But if you say it to a child, like, Joe, here's an apple, how much is that? 100. And here's like, I'd Nintendo Switch, how much is that? 100. Like, they don't know how much a thing would cost because the little fuckers don't work. Yeah. So it was just that work and you say it no one. And we're still of cost, you know? So like, I didn't really never had a had a job job. So he didn't, he had no, it maybe even cognitively he couldn't understand the cost of something or what, something more cost. Like he was being brought out. He made friends with this woman and she let him live like a car in Ashenian. Yeah, yeah. In Hobart, like, you know what I mean? So like, friendship was the currency. Yeah, I reckon he killed him by accident. I think, I think maybe, I didn't think he wanted to be killed. Maybe he could snap, maybe he could snap killer and live in the house. Maybe she wasn't. Yeah, maybe, maybe she wasn't co-operant with his whims and whimsie. Maybe he wanted to do stuff and she's like, no, I'm too, I'm too, he's like, come on. He's like, I'm here for that or something. And he's, cause he's fucking 19, no bro. And she's 54. So he's like, let's fucking go and all right. And she's like, no, I don't stay in and he's like, fuck this. I love the lifestyle, but I just don't want the baggage. Yeah, yeah. And if he is a murderist, Collin, who could plan a mass shooting, he'd definitely be able to like, yank the wheel and kill this all woman. Oh, yeah, for sure. Do you know? For sure. I think sense of set him up. Seven months he spent in the hospital thinking about all of the shit. So, um, that's a long time. Maybe he planned a shoot and there. Who the fuck knows? But one of the main reasons behind, according to a lot of the documentaries that we watched and according to the books, one of the main reasons that he committed to shooting was because he couldn't have a fire with his own. And though he had all of Helen's money, he couldn't have the thing that he wanted. So Maurice, Martin's father, was tasked to look after the Harvey farm and at the time was taken antidepressants. I mean, again, suicide murder, suicide murder, SSRIs, all of these things like SSRIs were blamed in the Columbine shooting. So I haven't mental health issues, being an antidepressants. It's often very closely linked to either like violence, suicide or outward murder. Do you know? Yeah, man. Villify people that have mental health issues that are taken antidepressants. They're like, they could snap at any time. Like it's not a good vibe. But poor Maurice, he was then living out of the Harvey farm, taking care of everything. He mysteriously changed all of the names of all his assets into his wife's name. I would have to fire him and as you'd expect, you know, one day, two months later, if he's changing all the stuff and his antidepressants, you know, after moving in, a visitor from the note said, don't call the police call the police on the front door. And they went, hmm, call the police. Police rocked around the search for days. Couldn't find anything in the house. Couldn't find any sign of Maurice. He was a wall, right? And they started then looking further afield. They started searching like water sources and places like that. They searched for another local dams and they found his body with a way tight around his neck. And he was at the bottom of the lake. Now remember, all of Martin's assets are in a public trust, presumably accessible by his parents. Yeah. This fire was worth a go bit of money, but he couldn't take care of it on his own. So his dad had to mind it. So it would be the best way to liquidate the assets. If the dad's part of the public trust, you get rid of the dad and you can cash out, sell the fire and cash it out. If you want the cash, that's, I mean, if he's able to go and kill 35 people in like five or six different locations in Portireter, he'd be able to plot the murder of his father and of his friend/benefactor Helen Harvey. If he's going to do one, he's going to do both. Like these are fucking not accidents. This shit is unlike Dallas RR, you know, murder she wrote. It's like rich old woman. friends retard dies mysteriously by possibly by his hand yanking the wheel into oncoming gravity in her it's over a half a million dollars. Father kills himself by putting away around his neck and diving headfirst into a dam for no reason. You know, just the drugs, but then or demo his dad had a massive pension that's called the superannuation pension. Yeah, I think I pay out of 250,000 Australian dollars. I further 250. So now he's up to almost a million. Yeah, man, but I wouldn't say Martin knew about the superannuation. Dude, cuz he's dim. Man, I don't even know what my superannuation is. You don't know who others are. I mean, you could probably estimate. But maybe the mother said a lot of paperwork. Maybe just love to talk about money and somebody said like, oh, you know, I mean, if I died, you'd get 200 maybe. What would you? Do you know that? No, I mean, you have to really look into it. I mean, I've got super from when I did work in Australia years ago. Right. No idea what wouldn't be much. But it would look where you're you're sharpening it to suit. Got super. Super. Yeah, animations of it series. Super sounds good. It's money. It's super. Super. Super money. Yeah. Everybody in Australia have super pretty much so it's part of the the Medicare system is part of like the social security. Yeah, it's sort of like if you put more into your soup, you get a better pension. It's sort of like a you get your pension instead of it's a white. And then that's your extra little tips. So yeah, you put you you can choose how much soup you put away every month or over year or whatever. And then like when you're a certain old age, you get the cashier that's super and then get it all, you know, because it does like you're not allowed to get it earlier or anything unless it's like certain situations. If you lived 10 years after your retirement from 65 to 75 and it cost like 40 grand a year to live, that's 400 grand. You have to find in your retirement age to continue on your lifestyle. Yeah, yeah. That's a lot of money. So like people that think 250 is not a whole lot or it's loads. But if you're not getting anything else, that's the thing. If you're not getting no other way to make income 250 will last you what like five years. Yeah, and even if you own your house and all that already, it's still a still cost for everything. Oh, yeah. So you're going to take care of your cats. Exactly. 40 cats. There's a lot now only 12 dogs to be able to do it in the crash. Yeah. But what I'm on you is bringing us up because yeah, I mean, it was handy for money. But I mean, I don't think it was it doesn't seem the story of life. If he's able to kill her, if I'm poor director, he's capable of killing that. But he didn't do that for money. Did he? No. So it wouldn't he, if he killed his father's because he's in blood. He's made it for the for the life style. He did it for the lifestyle. He wanted to be known. That's what they're saying. He wanted to be famous. That's what the fucking official line is. The reason he did this is because he wanted to be world famous because he got a taste of the good life at Helen's hands. And he's like, this is class. So if I'm rich and famous, like maybe he'd have a kill all these people that become famous. He didn't realize, oh, no, the same thing to jail. Oh, jeal. I forgot about it. Damn. Yeah. But I reckon I reckon Maurice. I reckon he taught I reckon he taught himself. Do you think so? Yeah. I can Martin Tyre not. Does he understand? He doesn't like water. Does he? Yeah. Can you tie a I mean, yeah, you can do anything. You know, does he understand? If you put a weaver, how heavy does this rock need to be to weigh down a human head? Yeah. You know, but I reckon it's been the antidepressants, the signs that changing all the accounts over that's Maurice or all over it, man. And was the call the police? Was that Maurice's handwriting? Probably. When somebody's like planning suicide, they give away all their all their possessions and because he's still like, he's good. I'm on his got his got, you know, his daughter is maybe in Brisbane or something. Yeah. And then and and Carol. No, what's it? I was in a car lane. Yeah, car lane. He's got some. I can't remember what the car lane. Yeah, car lane. I was thinking what's the most Aussie girl nice and I went with Carol because like Cheryl's and Carol is number two. Cheryl says car lane and then Cheryl. Cheryl. Cheryl. And Shaza was sharing a shower. Sharon. Yeah. Top three like Aussie. She lives. She lives. She lives just what? No, all three of them would get called Sheila. Like if you were if you're a misogynist, they're all just Sheila's. But in reality, it's a car lane. She lives almost nice with car lane. Shaza. Yeah. There's something in car lane. Car lane. Yeah. I think there's an Irish connection. They're really quickly because there's a lot of she's calling like, "Garlin, Irish." Yeah. And I've met I've met Sheila's that is called Sheila in Ireland. And then I reckon, right, because a lot of Irish people obviously made up the white colonization of, you know, being called that. Criminal class. Criminal class, you know, all the white people over there. A lot of my Irish and so I'm guessing a lot of the girls was named Sheila. So I reckon like one dude was like, well, jaw name, Sheila. What's your name? I would have been in Irish accent at the time. - Oh, Sheila. - Sheila. - And then we're like, "Oh, these dealers." And all these dealers, I reckon because it's a common name here. To have the name Sheila, I reckon it was just one guy just noticed there's a lot of bloody dealers around here. And that stuck. That's my theory that I've never heard anyone else say. Where else would I come from? - It totally realistic. - Where would Sheila's come from? - I think that's like Bruce. There was four Bruce's. - Yeah. - No, every block here is Bruce then. Hey Bruce. - Where did the Bruce come from? - Don't know. A few Bruce's. - Probably went out with Sheila. (laughing) Probably a few Bruce's and a few Sheila's. - But definitely right there. - Sorry, yeah. - Right there. As you know. - It was gone through. - Anthropological language investigator, Damian Clack. - Just thinking. - That's why. - That's my theory on the Sheila. - I don't think it was Drogadry. It was just like, you know, just bunching. - There's a lot of the folks in Sheila. - There's a lot of Sheila's. Because they actually named Sheila. - I wonder if there's a new country founder. Like some people like, populate Papua New Guinea that to be a lot of like, Britney's or something to the floor. (laughing) - Hi, how's it going everyone? - Like they're all going to this place. Like because America becomes unenhabitable because of like toxic waste or empty fire or something like that. And they all have to go somewhere and say to America. It's like, hold this Britney's going to Brazil. - Another Britney. - Britney's. I'm sure there's a Drogadry time. So yeah, after his father's death, Martin and sold a farm for 150K. So he's now above the million dollar mark in his murder spree, those fire. - Very well for a retired and like. - Italian man. Who would say that a million dollars, like with AFF? - And 40 cats and a thousand dogs. - No, yeah, 12 dogs, not 14 anymore. So he went to live in the mansion that he and Helen shared. The dirty one that had been fixed up. So he wanted to use like this well to the accumulate and see more kind of legitimate, I guess, to the locals rather than that weirdo who used to fuck Helen Arfi. (laughing) - That was a cool dude. - He's running around town, always money in the farm. - Yeah, so he started to dress in linen suits, the snake's game boots, a crobat, and a panema hat looking like the fucking, the man from Del Monteers, and he had a car coming in the first. - I just picture, you know when Jim Carrey's dressed up as mask. - Exactly. - Just like that guy. - Malcolm X at the start of the movie. - Smoking, walking around. - So he carried his empty briefcase around the town and he told everyone he was in a well-paid job of a high-powered career, so he's married. - He sounds like Lionel Huts from The Simpsons. - He's in him in the open sea. He's just got a cup, he's got low smoke and monkey. - He's all those other time, he just had a sandwich in there. - Yeah. - White card, just like. - White card, just like the cobwebs in the mall. - So he's a business, he's a business officer. - He's a casual, yeah, yeah. - He's a casual officer. - Next came suit, next came boots, a linen suit, long-gleashed blonde hair and a full-company of my hat. That's weird. But another Martin Broyan desk costume was, an electric blue velvet suit, which would be hard enough to wear in Australia at times. - Oh, ha, ha. - And he'd go out for dinner and that's what he'd wear when he's out for dinner. An electric blue suit with yellow, next came boots, a tie with a pin or a bowl, or possibly a crevash. And he'd be eating dinner on his own in all the fancy restaurants. And everybody around just be like, ripping the piss up and going, "Fuck, an electric blue Martin over there." - That was just BG. - Probably triggered some of that early childhood trauma, being bullied, maybe. There's something in that that's acted to really great at them. And we're talking about 1990-19 training, so it's a lot of time before the attack. - A lot of time being on your own. - You know, when you think about it, or like going out, like eating by yourself in a restaurant is like, it's fine. But if you do that all the time, because I'm guessing there wasn't a great shift. - Yeah. - But if you're doing that all the time, then like, it's just you by yourself, you're seeing everyone else having a good time, having a, you know, if it's an, and they're all pointing out with an instant ignorant. - But he spent so long. - And no more about fun. You can't be scrolled and looking at it all. And it cools down. - No Twitter. - There's nothing to look at apart from everyone else looking at you, making fun of you. And you think you look cool. - It's a different time. I'm sure, like when he was in school, I was listening to a podcast about his earlier life. And he's in school, and he's going up to groups of people being like, "Hey, I'm Martin." And he's like, "All right, Martin, well, what do you like?" And I, like he didn't know why he was into just simple chap, like, and he couldn't maintain friendly relationships. He couldn't have friends, 'cause they wouldn't stick around. They weren't, he wasn't able. - Yeah. - So like, this is that rekindling of that trauma. That's like, you know what, fuck everybody. - Again, yeah. - I'm only like saying on the, on the side of, he actually did the murders. He actually did the shows. So like, yeah, it plays into it. It's a tragedy. It's a trauma. His dad's dead. His bestie friend is dead. He has a lot of money, not to do with it. He doesn't know what money really is, but obviously he's not cooking at home. He's not going down to, going down to the supermarket and buying, but you know, buying stuff. - I wouldn't say so. - I wouldn't say so. - We don't know what the ballin' is. - Yeah, I wouldn't say so. - Yeah. So he's eating out the whole time in an electric blue suit. Everyone's making fun of him. And Martin went down these various then international trips, 'cause he couldn't just be fucking hanging around whole-barred, he didn't like it. He would try to approach strangers again in these electric blue suits, where he's panicking. - But that couldn't stay English properly. - Yeah, and he'd be walking up to him going, "Hi, I'm Martin." And they'd be like, put off, 'cause he had a real weird, fucking thousand-yard stare, crazy eyes vibe. Did find him like, off-puttin' and they'd be like, "Mm." And there was again rejection, rejection, rejection. And we see. But a lot of serial killers, that rejection, we just had an episode recently on Ed Kemper where he'd go up and chat up women and if they wouldn't, you know, respond, he'd kill them and chop off their neck and then fuck their throat hole through the bottom of their skull or whatever. Okay. Yeah, that's, I mean, a serial killer response. And Martin was kind of getting these, these pangs of, I'm a bit pissed off now about this whole thing. People aren't being nice to me. Yeah, if you weren't messed up before, you'd be getting messed up now for sure. For sure. Even even if, I mean, I don't know if you've lost a pet before, but I'm going back to those two dogs in the car. You're going to be sad about that. You said about Helen. You have 12 more of them. Yeah, that's true. You're from the UK. Like the hole will be filled, but I think the last of the last of the, the last of the day, the last of Helen. I mean, they reported that he laughed when he, what is chuckled over when he found out that he was, they found his body and all that. But there's like when anyone loses, you know, a parent or whatever, there's a thing in it. You know, this is one thing I've noticed about, you know, the apprentice is a weird, you know, the apprentice, you'll fire it. You're sad. You know, how every, how every like that last one where they just grill them and they try and make them cry about their stupid idea. They always go back to their parents because they want to get that tear. What was your parents thinking? Yeah, all that because they know if you want to get an into any emotion, you hit on to your parents. And so even though Martin could pretend he didn't care about his dad being dead, if it was him or wasn't, he's not there anymore. And like he, he cared for him. And Maurice was always looking after him, always had his back. So he had to be there as well. Yeah, it has to be there. Even if you didn't appreciate it, he's too dim to play it fully yet. He's not there anymore or whatever. You don't need to be smart to fall in love. Yeah. And we said, yeah, that's true. I may not be a smart man, Jenny, but I know what love is. Yeah. Remember that shit. He's standing on the stairs with his hands on his back and that weird triangle way. And he's like, he's so far as gum. And you know how you're saying like you don't believe that he could have done all the military thing. How fast as far as gum, putting a gun together, there you go. That has completely blown my, with my own shoe learning of a great impression that I do into a show. So good though. Worth it. Damien Clark has no smashed a part. And he can do Tom, Tom Hanks films right there. Big. Yeah. And first comes sums up Martin Bryant's life so far. That's it. Let's see if we can work a few else in. Let's see if we can get, and now he's traveling around so and not making friends. Joel versus the volcano. Oh, I was just thinking of terminal when he was just trapped in an air. Another Tom Hanks film. Captain Phillips is next somehow. We'll get him into a submarine or a ship. The Martin Bryant story is down in Tom Hanks. Tom Hanks. And we can digitally youth, flasem like they did with the Irish man and stuff like that. Yeah. He's a sheriff. He's like, "Wordy. Wordy out of toy store." Because he thought he was a sheriff. He was fancy fucking suits. He was like, "I'm going to the ship to Port Arthur. And beyond." So yeah, then on the day of the murder itself, Martin, I would have character started preparing to go shoot a bunch of people. Now if you did do it, like we were just talking about with Helen and with his dad, if you did do some shit, you did all the shit. These are what the police got as confessions out of him. It's also from a certain set of books. All this information that we're going to be given over the next little while. It's either, it's first time information either by witnesses from Petra. From Martin himself under investigation in an interview with the police. And then from witnesses around the area of Port Director at the time. Now what's, I mean, who's going to lie? Those are in Port Director to get shot at. The survivors of that thing, you're like, "I saw him coming out from behind the car." And you're like, "Well, okay, he was calling out for me. Hey, what time is that?" About 24 past one. You're like, "Okay, cool. 25 past one. You're going to have to get out of the car and they put the whole thing together from hundreds of interviews to try and piece out together." That's a fair enough assessment of a factual representation of what happened, right? I'd say so. You can't get much better than that. First hand, no witnesses. Lots of people, no motives for these people to say yes or no. They don't know that the guns are going to be taken away. We don't even know if they are. Guns, lobbyists or not. Not that that's why the conspiracy came up, but it might be one of the reasons. But the people who say the conspiracy is right. They're saying that these are all the crisis actors. And I'm like, "Nah, nah." As much as crisis actors will be around in the two late 2000s in 1996 in whole-bought. It's going to be hard enough to get but a lot of them were American tourists. So there could be CIA operatives. I will talk a little bit later on. Man, and we've seen some of the interviews with these people. They're either better actors than Merrill Strait or it's exactly what they said. They're just method actors living their whole lives for this one character like the Truman show or something like that. Yeah. And if those actors are that good, then they need to get them to be in the Wasp movie, which is I think a movie being made about the reenactment. They need to get them back. I'm glad they're making it. If they're actors. If they're actors. If they're actors. But it might not be good. Which angle are they going to want? Anyway. Let's talk about Martin preparing for murder then. He started off in the morning and then, well, let's know what happened. Yeah, he said he's a lamb. I mean, this is from the I'm guessing Petra or himself had sent this. So he could be trying. He said in his alarm for 6am. And he has got no job. It's a do why would you set your alarm for 6am at all? And it's reported that he never sets alarms. Why would you? He's a millionaire. Why would you even get up? And he's got his girlfriend. Have a sleep in. What are you doing? So he left for work or your petal for work just after 9 o'clock. And Martin sat down and began doing some shots of Sam Booker. That's definitely shows he's still an 11 year old. Yeah. Yeah. If you're going to be an adult, you'd go, man, I'm going to have to hit off a beer whiskey. With vodka. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Bloody Mary. And he's like, I like with Chris. He also, I didn't put in an answer, but also he gave Petra the shots in the shower in the morning, which was very clearly depicted in multiple documentaries that they watched online that is very clear and and like needed to be mentioned that he gave Petra the shots early in the morning before I give every nice shots. They both drank. No, no. I mean, give her the shots, I give her the good stuff, give her the rod. What? Yeah, they were fucking in the shower. Yeah, yeah. That was in every single documentary I watched this and and Martin and Petra might love in the shower before she could ready for work. It was very important that that was said. But what was I before you wouldn't feel like you're the people that I know you be fucking going back for sleep. If you didn't have to go to work, she was off to work. And you're married and I you be Sam Booker. Absolutely. Get to sleep. Copeland Sam Booker straight back to bed. My box sets did exist back then. Absolutely. So DVDs man that you could totally man. Friends TV. Yeah, come on. He's warped. I mean, if we're gone by this story. Right. So it's it's it's is factual as we have at this point. This is the timeline. So so Petra's gone just after night. He claims to police that he left to go surfing as he knows it, which is sit on the beach or nothing and spent the day. But other reports say he was on his way to a murder around 1145 Martin pulled into the escape guest accommodation site. His he and his father wanted to purchase that land and turn it into a farm and the owners David and no line man. Oh, that's also a valley. That's also up there. No line. No line. No line. No, no, no, please give us these keepers because you can. But they refuse to sell it to him for any amount of money. Quote. The report of his activities on the farm with Helen Harvey probably made him an undesirable neighbor because it was right and extort these included walking around in the middle of the night with a pellet rifle shooting rabbits rats and just shooting the sky because he's angry at everyone. He's at the store. He's saying everyone. Oh, that's another conspiracy there going around all the stars. You can see in the night sky was from Martin Bryant's rifle. Martin Bryant. He's made a shot. Shot bullets into the dorm of the Flatter. And that's where we have stars and the stars and that's where the Southern cross came from. And people know that it only made sense. The flag only made sense until after that night that that that no lean was talking about. So what happened? What happened next? So it says Martin went into the seascape and fired off shots killing David and Olin. David was found gagged and stabbed. So the shots heard master been no lean. Yeah, because obviously he didn't shoot. He didn't shoot. David and stabbed. He was gagged and stabbed. And they were born. They were both found in the bed. So Martin moved their bodies after death. So he talked to me and after. Yeah. Layed him out in the bed like beside each other like vampire style. It's not weird. That's odd. Did he go to all that trouble? He was there for almost an hour. Yeah, I mean lifting up a body is, you know, it's a heavy. Didn't look big, but there's pictures of this pictures of no lean. You're like, I'm gonna lift an amazing man. I'm gonna look a year to say, but I will be easier to save my life right now. That wasn't that. There weren't huge. We're like normal sites people, but like he shot no lean. And then obviously was having a row with David. And like, hey, so suddenly the land you bastard. And he's like, no, get over here. But tie him up and stabbed him. That's, yeah. That's out of character for the rest of the mergers, which I think is very odd. Yeah, and why was he stabbed? Was it, I mean, we can't, we don't have time to go into all this as well. But where was the knife? Was it David's knife? Was it from the kitchen? The knife was found in the sports bag that they recovered from the cafe. So he brought that? He had a haunted knife. Yeah, that he stabbed him with. Right. But David was the only man to get the knife. And maybe that was because he wouldn't sell them the, the, the areas for them to make a farm. So he wanted to really like, yeah, I'm gonna hurt you to death. So that could have been his first ever murder. Possibly. And then realized that shooting was way easier. No lean was going nuts because he's just stabbing his husband. Yeah. later than we wanted to do. Maybe it was. Maybe it was like a kidnap and gone wrong and he stabbed. He was like, "Give me the fucking fire. I'm just going to go get the fire." No, I was like, "Oh no." And then all of a sudden he was like, "What?" And she was like, "Shut up bitch, bang bang." Could've been that. Like it was the first or the second. And then from that, that would've changed. He's like right, I mean, it's now. I'm out on the limb now. I might just go kill everybody. Yeah, and if he had a sex that morning, he's just a spasm at us. Yeah, he's not blue balls. He's not blue balls. He had full of dreams. So, so they were both found in the bad. I didn't know that he bought them in there, but he went, "While tidying up at the seascape, a couple drove up and were looking for accommodation." So Brian was spooked. He was like, "Oh, I didn't plan to have a story for this." Yeah. And was reported rude and uncomfortable and shoed them away. Like a couple of mangy foxes around half past 12. And then after that, Martin drove to Port Arthur, taking the keys with him to other seascape. Yes. Took the keys to seascape. So he was basically, this was the catalyst for the murders. All of the murders was the fact that he couldn't buy this. And he couldn't buy this land. And he blamed David and O'Lean. He's like, "You fucking ruined my life." No man, the money, no lean said no man, the money will get you to buy this thing. So he's like, "Right, fuck the two of you." And most of the plan, the whole thing, to be like, "Okay, if I'm gonna kill them, I'm gonna fulfill the fantasy of killing everybody." 'Cause I've always had that fantasy. And he just, this was the trigger. Yeah. And just fucking went book wild and just did it to everybody. Yeah, 'cause that was the only personal vendetta he had was David and O'Lean, the rest are just. Well, I have some theories about the stuff later on. Of course, yeah, this is. We're just saying what we know from now. So we're sliding them the shoes of info and all this stuff, we're getting. Oh, here we go. Martin was all about the local chat on his way to the mass shooting and stopped a couple of times on the way from the seascape telling them that he'd meet for a coffee cafe later. He also met Roger Lano who. He made a deal to buy some cattle after telling him he'd bought a property called Fogglage. He drove on and passed. That was me, there was no. There was no italics, I just went Fogglage, sounds like. Sounds classy. Yeah, I got Fogglage. He doubled G-Fog, not just regular fog, two Gs. So it must be thick fog. He drove on and passed through a toll booth to the historic Port Arthur site and parked his car. And sat in it for a few minutes. The guy that said he, the toll booth guy, he said. So one of the accounts was that was Martin Bryant. He was like, "Can I go park over there?" And he's like, "No, no, no, no. He goes go park over there." He's like, "No, that's where the coaches park." There's already buses there, mate. You can't park there. And then he watches, he went and just go and park by the bus. The bus is anyway. And then he has sat in there for like, he said, like half a minute or something. He was reported to have walked up to the car. And he was carrying a sports bag and a video camera. And he was carrying on conversations complaining about wasps and the lack of Japanese tourists. So I guess it's just saying it out loud to people. - And this is like habits that he got when he was on, on travelers like going up to strangers and just starting like random conversations going, "Oh, I might." - "Do you ever think there's too many Japanese people "in Australia?" And they were like, "What the fuck?" And they looked at him and said, "I'll go ahead and I'm like going like, "I don't know, man, this is weird." Like, "Why are you talking to me?" Like, it's a, it's a, he's a fucking strange dude. Yeah, a lot of wasps around here. - He used to hear the wasps to wait Anglo-Saxon Protestants. - Yeah. - He'd been for some reason. And is there, like in Australia, is there a thing against them? - I don't know. I was thinking the Protestant, does that mean he was a Catholic background? Just hated that, but maybe. - But here's the thing right. I only knew about the wasps abbreviation when I was reading up on this just recently. And, you know, during my life, I'm trying to remember back to all the other times 'cause I don't like what I do. - Is that like a derogatory term in Australia? Like, you can't ask me back. - Well, I'd never heard it before, but maybe it was going around. And I was, you know, when I was like, 'cause I like bees, but I don't like wasps, like the insect. - Right. - But no one likes wasps 'cause there was a thing that they had even ads on TV, like you know, your soft drink cans. They would, 'cause it's so sweet, wasps would go in there. - I'm not talking about human beings. I'm talking about like the ones would go in. And so, so many people would go to another drink of their can and then they'd be able to get a wasp in their mouth. What about, like it was, and there was killer wasps for a while. - Wasps. - So, - Murder, murder, murder. - I was thinking back on, he's all the time that I hate wasps. I hope people knew I meant, I don't wanna be stung on my mouth from like, now we know. - Now I'm thinking, everyone's gone, man, this guy, he hates Protestants or whatever. - Maybe. Maybe that's what these people are like. - Same thing, the race. - Same thing from school. He fucking hated Protestants. - He was always going on about a protestant. - He's going to Ireland, maybe he's in the ra. - Yeah, that was like, it makes sense. Like they're probably doing a podcast about me, right now, to do all the races. I was like, no, it was actually the insect. I didn't even know that was a thing. I had no idea. - Red flag clack, they caused them. - Yes, it's mad like that. He had these chats, he was chatting to a couple of women down, and being like, well, how are you? Just start after killing two people. How's it going? You're all right. And they were like, you all right, mate? It's like, lovely die. I'm gonna end the cafe, maybe I'll see you for a coffee. To stretch your cup of, just like he was probably elated from the murder, hopping around, being like, hey, what's the crowd? How are you? How's it going? You know that in 500 days or so, when Joseph Gordon Levin finally rides your wand and so on, with our wand, he's dancing, dancing, dancing, dancing. - The hall and the lots of shit. That's the way he was like fucking popping out of this murder, saying hello to everybody. - He goes, I'm just going in by some ketchup for no reason. Like I don't think he's weird. - And he bought it, he did go in by a coffee, and there was an exchange that go from the shop, was even interviewed, knew it was good-skown. Yeah, he wanted it a certain way. He said there was like, there was like too much milk last time or the hot water was, can you make it? Oh, it was too hot last time or something. Like maybe they said, it was something like that. And then he remembered. - It's a lot of fun. - He remembered a weird, yeah. But it remembered a weirdo going in saying that, like you'd remember someone just being, you know, we're working in a shop or something. You always remember, oh, they wanted me to do this. You know, if it's anything different, you remember. - I always remember to complain. And when they come in, you go, oh, this guy, yeah. But it's weird that in the conspiracies around this, that people were saying like, yeah, it was mountain brain doubles and it was all this stuff. But like, there are lads along the way, they're like, that's 100% him. The tall booth guy is like, was 100% mountain brains. - Yeah, and they bought a lighter from another server. I think just a lighter by itself. - Yeah. - Just to have, it doesn't smoke. I mean, what's the server now for the people? - The server station. - A gas station. (laughing) - You can track the server station into server. - Server, yeah. - Right. - So server. - Yeah, yeah. - Not like server, matazare. - No, no, we've never done the matazare on the server. - Okay. - I've never heard server being used as a derogatory term for a person, that's probably why. Even if someone was a server, we'd definitely want to play around with that a bit more. - But mountain flakes, like a witch or somebody works in the service industry than the server. - No, although not that I've heard of. - Okay, okay. - The server is just the place to get the petrol. - Off to the server. - To get the gasoline after the server. - So if we'd say like, I'm off to the garage, you know where we're going. - Yeah, we'd get it. So we, and also it would say, - So I've never heard of before. - So you say bottle shop, bottle low. You say off license. You say off low, which is funny because we both put an eye on the end. So off license. - We say off low, offy. - Offy is well offered offy. 'Cause you're taking the alcohol off the license premises. - Yeah, and a bottle shop, because it's a shop for bottles. - So you call an off license, a bottle shop? - I call a bottle low, yeah, bottle low. But no one knows what I'm talking about. - I wouldn't either. - I bet they look at you going, yeah, 'cause a lot of alcohol comes in bottles, man. And why is that so weird? - A bottle. - It's a bottle low. - That's weird. - Okay. - Right, shout it down. This is the fucking thing we're having. - Okay, you did. - That's just the event today. - 'Cause I'm Mr. Tangent. You've been reading it for the next bit. - Your Mr. Tangent, between the two of us, our power is combined. - That's true. - Be here for fucking five hours. This is supposed to be a true crime episode. It's going really long. But look, strap in. These are the, this kind of stuff is coming from the massacre by Carol Altman, all of these details. And a lot of this stuff you can hear, probably all of the Portire Dr. Massacre podcasts you've ever listened to in the past. They've all had these details. These are the, this is the official narrative, the official story of the day. These are from witness accounts. These are all like, journalistically and police integrity has all the fucking details. This is exactly how it was given, when the statements and testimony and all that stuff. It's the same shit you've heard. If you wanna skip ahead for the next 10 minutes or so, we're gonna go through this. It's in the case file and they do it real nice. I'm gonna send the case file in the message and full props. This is how the shit went down. So, the shooting began around 140, after Martin finished his meal. He returned his tray in the, in the cafe. He put his bag in the table. He took out the cold, they are 15 carbine. I began shooting. People all seated in the cafe. Teh was a tube three or four. And many of these folks were waiting for the next ferry. I'll talk about that in a second. It's important. So, the following details from the massacre. Brian finished his meal, walked into the cafe, returned his tray and began shooting. The cafe was very small, with the tables very close together. And it was particularly busy that day, what many people were waiting for the next ferry. The ferry was moved from 1.30 to 2.00 pm. I don't know if you knew that demo. When he landed in, he taught, he would be getting on a ferry. And it's part of one of the conspiracies later on. Important, important. Yeah, that's what got, you know, wherever the guy was, the tollway, that was the first place, but I'd say, can I park, I want neither ferry. Because he didn't want to carry the big heavy bag at Golden Square. And the second time ago, he was going to park the bus, that was his second plan. Because the buses were full of people. Easier to shoot. Plan B. Here we go. So the bag also contained, among other things, the knife used to stop there with Brian. And we talked about the cold magazine was emptied from C-Scafe. So, we put a new magazine, it had a cold air of 15. And, yeah. So he, in the cafe, started shooting, another one of the conspiracies, we go into a bit more detail, how accurate his shooting was. Phenomaly, phenomenally accurate. Well, it was a small area. So it wouldn't be hard to be, it wouldn't be hard to be that accurate. Yeah, I'm going to be that guy and just go, look, it was point blank, right? But at the same time, he was firing. from the hip. I don't know if you're fired in AR 15. It's not a massive kickback. It's not that powerful of a rifle, but like the bullets of this fire and from the hip, he's firing the left hand as well, which he did. He denoted in some of the video interviews. Yeah, he's a shoot with left hand, but right my right. Yeah, like that's weird. Not on her dove, but weird. But he's been practicing air rifles for a long time, if the story is and he would be a great shot if we're going with the official story, like to support him for scumped times. Absolutely. He's a crack shot, you know. So he, and they're all like no one's runner and no one had time to run around. You're not getting up like from a table and diving through a window. Yeah, and at first people are thinking electrical fault, breathing, it's everyone just sitting there and shocked because it took about 90 seconds or something. It would have jumped on the head. So following events happened extremely quickly. In fact, like less than a minute, he had most of the people in the cafe killed. Brian took game for his hip, pointy's rifle at Mo Yee and Su Ling Chung, who were visiting from Malaysia and were seated at the table beside Bryant. He shot them at close range, killing both of instantly. He fired a shot at mixed sergeant grazing his scat knocked him to the floor. He fired a fourth shot to kill Sergeant Girlfriend, 21 year old Kate Elizabeth Scott. He turned it back in the head. A 28 year old newsie, little boymaker Jason Winter had been helping the busy cafe staff. Brian turned to Winters, wife Joanne under 50 months old son Mitchell. And Winter threw a serving tray at Bryant's head in an attempt to distract him. And then Joanne, Winters, Winter's father pushed his daughter and grandson to the floor under the table. 44 year old Anthony Nightingale stood up after a sound of the first shots, but had no time to move Nightingale famously yelled, "No, not here." As Brian pointed to Adam and Nightingale leaned forward, he was shot through the neck and spine. The next table had a group of 10 people, but someone just left the table to return to a meal trays and visit the gift shop and Brian fired one shot to kill Kevin Vincent Sharpe, 68 years of age, and hit Walter by the 66 pass through his body and struck Raymond John Sharpe, 67 Kevin Sharpe's brother killing both of them. The three had their backs towards Bryant and were unaware what was happening. They didn't even have a chance to sit over turn around. The first believed someone was letting off firecrackers. Some of them said that's not funny after hearing the first few shots. And then the shots were all at close range, so the gun just inches away from the backs of their heads. So there was no real time to react. Gerald Broome, Gail, Gail Fiddler and her husband John were all struck by bullet fragments but survived. A lot of people said that they thought it was like reenactments from the prison. Like we said, they're around like a reenactment like you do, the civil war reenactments or something like that. So they heard like pops out of the cafe. People thought like, "What's going on over there in the cafe?" No one taught the community to investigate. They didn't think they'd come in and see if anyone needed help. There was no screens because it all happened so quick. Brian then turned forward, Tony and Sarah Kiston and Andrew Mills both stood up at the noise and said, "It's just shots but haven't got time to run away." Mills was shot in the head. Kiston was also shot from two meters away also in the head. Managed to pull his wife away prior to being shot and she was not seen. By Brian, she's under the table and survived. Like, damn oh man, I don't know how good you are at shooting if you have had any practice at shooting. Like I'm decent shot for the small practice that I've had or a small exposure I've had to fire around. I'm good even to have bad eyesight. I understand how the stuff works. It's just like the, you do the thing and you point the thing and it goes. So it's just like a natural thing. If I practice, I'd probably be quite good. I think fire and from the hip and they are 15, I wouldn't be able to get as many headshots and as many kill shots with as few rounds as Matt Bryant did. This is like pinpoint accuracy. This is some of the stuff we talked about with the Sandy Hook thing out of Lanza. He was getting headshots. He fired off so many rounds and almost everything went like an incalculable amount of direct shots with so many automatic like sprayed bullets. Like you're talking about like over 90% hit rate, which is unheard of. Like there's like Navy seals and expert mics when they can't get that kind of shit. Yeah, but Brian is hitting the fucking top percentiles in this in this accuracy demo that that like it screams out to any conspiracy person that's like that's too fucking accurate man. Yeah, but face value man like everyone's everyone's sitting about the height of the gun would have been and it's a busy cafe. So if you just if you do do play the game of spin the bottle at that thing, it would there'd be someone's head in the way. So he's just like, he was just there. But the amount around he didn't miss anybody like you'd have to nearly see it reenacted to understand like how close everyone was. We've all seen John Wick, you know, we've all seen these videos of a derine anaclance of these other like gone crimes and stuff. But if you go in, if you're just max of something weird, you and into a room that size of a cardboard cut out to people. I'd say you'd be alright. And it was pretty much that because there wasn't that many people standing up and going on tables. But most people just didn't have a chance to move. It wasn't moving target. So there was miss shots. There were miss bullets. There were, you know, I think I think it was all him. There's no there was no bloody sniper in the bloody grass. You know, I know, but wasn't Bryant in the cafe is the thing that people say. Oh, I thought someone was someone with a wig. Or maybe just with long hair. Let's talk about it. Let's talk about that. Okay. It was the only then that the majority of people in the cafe started to realize what was happening. The shots were not from a reenactment of the historic incidences we said before. And at this point, great confusion. Many people didn't know what to do. Bryant was near to me and exit. So he was get ready to move. He moved just a few meters and began shooting at the table where Graham Collier and Carolyn Lockton and her daughter Sarah were seated. Collier was severely injured in the jaw nearly choke with a death and his own blood. And then Sarah ran towards her mother who had been moving between tables. Carolyn Lockton true herself on top of her daughter. Bryant shot Carolyn in the back and her ear drum was ruptured by the muslim blast. The gun went off right beside her head. So, you know, blue or blue or ear drum out. And then she survived her injuries, but learned after she came out of the surgery, despite her efforts, Sarah had been fairly shot in the head. So, you know, she tried to save her daughter. Couldn't do it. Martin obviously moved or did something and got to the child's head. Martin pivoted around the shot. Marvin Howard who was seated to pull the past through, true window of the cafe and hit the table on the outside balcony. He was nearly exit preventing others from attempting to run past him and escape. Bryant moved across the cafe towards the gift shop area. There wasn't exit door and then some poor folk or came out of a doorway into the hallway right in front of Bryant Bryant's gun and he just went bang in the head. Like that's I was thinking about that today this afternoon like going like how unlucky man just an extra couple of shakes on your Mickey having a piss. Yeah. And he would have been gone out the door or if he goes I'll upgrade to a shit. Yeah, he would have been like I'm going to wash my hands instead. It's the difference between washing your hands and not washing your hands. He walked out into a hallway where Bryant Bryant was standing with a gun just at the wrong place, wrong time. I got a fucking bullet in the head man. Yeah, all of these events happened in a very, very short period of time. Bryant then moved towards the gift shop. I'm not going to go through this whole thing because it's fucking it's covered and it's also like pretty grim and kind of on interest. And like he moved like this. He moved like this. You can't really see. You need to reenactment or whatever to see it. But yeah, loads of people killed in the gift shop. There were a bunch of people just standing around and then they were tripping over each other that nowhere to go. They were crouched down in the corners. The hide behind stands like where ever he got a view to a head to shoot somebody. He'd take the shot and he was usually like pretty accurate. A lot of people shot in the head in the gift shop like a lot of people shot in the fucking head. And I know it's pretty close. You're shooting up the aisles. You know, a nicknacks way to and fro. It's not too hard to hit people. But at the same time people are running crouching. So lots of stuff. It's like, you know, Bryant saw the movement in the cafe and he moved to the front door. He hit Peter Crosswell. He was hiding under the table in the airs. Jason Winter hiding in the gift shop top-right and left to build an amen to comment before moving it into the open and Bryant saw him and Winter started shouting, no, no. And then he shot him in the hand, neck and chest. And then the killer shot then to the head when he was on the ground. Fragrance of these bullets are hitting everybody. So there's loads of people injured. But it's not to me that you can hear what happened next, although at some point Bryant Bryant reloaded his weapon. He walked back into the cafe and then returned to the gift shop. It's time looking into the other corner of the shop where he found people hiding. So he went out and came back around the front. I went back in just to see if there was anyone still hanging around. Shutterbondster people rolling Jerry Peter Nash, Paulie Masters. He didn't see Carolyn Nash. She was lying under her husband. I'm not going to identify the Asian man. Fuck tied without a name. Oh no, he didn't die. He Bryant held the gun. I don't know. I identified the Asian man to pull the trigger and there was no bullets left in the trigger. So he moved to the gift shop counter. He reloaded his rifle and he left the empty magazine on the service counter and left to building. Now to me, we'll talk about it again in a few minutes. To me, demo reloading your gun with your hands. Take an magazine out with your hands and leave that to the crime with your hands would have left some kind of DNA evidence fingerprints on the magazine. Some kind of something. Yeah. Sure to be able to get that magazine. He touched his directly. Let's touch the finger prints. Do you think that was done? Probably not. Fucking wasn't done. There's always police error in these cases. Yeah, but this is all error. This is all error. Well, like, maybe it was done, but because he played guilty, they never figured that they needed the evidence. It would have been dug up if he played it non-guilty. I do not know, man. They would have had to get something if it was real or not. They should have. How did they know he was going to play guilty or not guilty? That was months later. Like, they should have got all the evidence anyway. There was no evidence. Yeah. should have collected that evidence just in case. Yeah. So I don't mean what I was, they didn't know if he was going to get away. Like, you know, anyway, we'll discuss it with the conspiracy bits, but it's just something to keep in mind. Yeah. So yeah, he went down to the car park, killed a bunch of people. There was a self-lord in Ruy, Fully Haddy, Change, Weapons, started firing up people. Yeah, it's all just fucking dark like descriptions of these people getting shot. Went into the buses, shot up a bunch of people and the buses, true to seats in the head. And people were hiding and they just walked stock from seat to seat just like fucking picking people off with the self-lord in Ruy, Fully, you know. You got to the toll booth, got this car left a car park on the way out the toll booth. He killed a bunch of people. And then one kind of emotional nail in the coffin that all these documentaries hit, they were like, and then he came across, Nanette McCatch and her two daughters, Madeline and Alana. And as they described that shooting, it's almost like, and this is how even Martin Bryant is. He came across them, they were driving, they were trying to escape and he came across them, shot the mother, shot the three-year-old dead. And then Alana, as her mother was dying in the car, got out of the car, sat running to the forest and Martin Bryant chased her into the forest and shot her down like a dog and her body was found like a hundred meters or so from the car. Like that's a really indication of like psychopathy, like a really bad shit going on there. Yeah, like zero emotion. No empathy. Like how can you chase down a six-year-old child with a gun after shooting her mother and a sister? No, it's in human. But it is an emotional kind of ice pick that the guys were always using. But that's the fact that that happened. And so, and someone did that. Was it Martin Bryant conspiracy theories? It probably was. But like just the fact that that happened, there's something really like rotten there, you know? So seven more people witnessed this happening from Florida down the road. Someone recognized him as the gunman, yellow hits him. Bryant stepped in front of the car, told her to get under an ease. She begged for her life. She said, please don't hurt my babies. She had her right in the head killing her and then he fired a shot into the car and then chased her going into the forest like rough. He fired at some people hiding a bush, but he missed these people. Haven't seen the murders in children. Started running. They told drivers the car is coming in the road to go back. People stopped right with head up the road. So they proceeded on foot down the dirt side road and hit in the bush. And then the car is all reversed up to the road to the toll booth. Bryant, he got back in the car. He blocked off a BMW and shot all the people inside of us. Mary Rose, Nixon, Russell James, Pollard, Helene, Robert Graham, Robert Graham, Salzman. He shot Salzman upon blank killing him. Pollard got a BMW went towards Bryant, shot him in the chest killing him. And then he took that BMW. He abandoned his Volvo, took the BMW and off he went, took the bag with him. Then it goes to the save our to Graham, Sodor and then he'd been shot in the car. He reversed back up the road towards the service station. He tried to tell people what was happening. And Bryant drove up to the service station and caught off a car, attempted to get on to the highway. And Glenn, Glenn Pearce was driving that car with his girlfriend, Sodor, we hauled in the passenger seat. Bryant got out of the car with his rifle. The BMW in his hand tried to pull the haul from the car. Pearce got out of the car and approached Bryant, Bryant pointed to go on. Pearce pushed him backwards and got him into the boot of the car and kidnapped him. And the gleeful carry on of Bryant Bryant in the police interviewers. Yeah, a kid, like he was happy to have kidnapped him. And he moved back to the passenger side then. And as appears girlfriend, haul tried to get into the driver's seat. Ray's rifle tried to fire three shots into her killer. So many people around the service station, the server, witnessed this and they ran to hide in the bushy, bushy long grass. That's around the service station. And then the service station attendant, the worker told everyone to lie down, don't move, lock the man doors, grab these rifles. But by the time he could get some ammunition to load the gun, Bryant had fucking gone into BMW. And then I was like, whoo, now we talk about it at the end with the conspiracy theory stuff. But like poor director itself was unpoliced. And they didn't have any police for hours after this incident. They didn't have any EMTs. There was a couple of off-shooting nurses and tour groups and stuff that were minding people and taking care of people. But like, far the most part, Bryant in the space of a 25, 30 minutes killed 35 people wound to 20 odd others. And everybody was running for their life, not knowing what was going on, not knowing what was coming back. Where it was he gone, he had changed cars, they saw the car, they were like, oh my god, he's still here somewhere. Like there was no communication, mobile phones were probably quite rare at the time. So no one was communicating through text directly with each other, there was no like live Twitter feed that you get nowadays. It was fucking chaos in that place. Didn't know what was going on. You can imagine being there. Like it's fucked up right in a little small place like that. Yeah, I mean, you can't really imagine it, but you know, it's been, it just being shocked. You beat too many questions in your head. What is he, is it, what's happening, where's moving to, it's like being in a battle situation. You're looking for someone to call the shots, like who's coming to flanking this, look to the right. Like, you know, show that direction. So no, this is like a bunch of people just hearing gunshots and running and hoping that the fucking run into the cunt. Yeah, because you don't know, you don't know, he's because it's not like, he did it all quietly, apart from the gunshots. He didn't, it wasn't talking yelling, making any noise. Unemotional blank face to witnesses. Blank face. Yeah, crazy. So as he drove down to C-SK, he shot at a Ford Falcon coming the other way. He got out of the car and there was a Ford with drive vehicle that approached up the road. They saw Bryant with the gun, but they thought he was rabbit hunting and they slowed down as the past them. I'm Brian fired into the car. The bullet broke the truck cable. I fired twice more into the car as the past. They broke the windows. One bullet hit the driver, lend the white in the arm. The car was going downhill, so it could roll without the power of his engine and turn around the corner. Another vehicle that drove down the road carrying four people. It was not until there were right beside Bryant that they realized he was carrying a gun. He shot into the car against matching the windscreen. Douglas Horner was wounded by pieces of windscreen and stayed and rolled down the road and came around the corner onto white car as well. Yeah, he then went into a siege level inside in the C-SK and the police came around. He had pairs as a kidnapping victim and held him hostage. He was on the phone with the police for ages and in case they covered us really, really well. 60 minutes documented covers us really, really well. It's a long drawn-out process, but basically he pretended to be another guy called Jamie. And he said like, this is Jamie. So there's like split personality of some NK ultra mind programming shit possibly. And then kills pairs who is his kidnapping victim, sets fire to the house and then the police storm in and pull them out. Like bizarre. That ended where it started, but also in that way. Super crazy like military operations. I don't know them if you've heard of San Bernardino, the shooting of San Bernardino in California. I've heard of it, but I don't know the details. I would have Muslim couple who were like basically like fire and randomly are people shooting lots of people. And the police read their home whenever I wanted illegally fan loads of stuff like plan and the shooting and all this. Lord's why witnesses at the time say that it wasn't that man and that woman they're shooting people that it was men dressed in military gear that were shooting the public. In black like anti anti anti rifle protection, you know, these like fucking big like huge. What are they called bulletproof vests, but like the army version is a huge big jobs be a barrack a shift and they're. This totally could have happened the poor director under some people that say that that's exactly what happened. It was like a man, Brian look alike, who was an expert marksman, popping around shooting all these people because these people are not going to. You know, like in my cousin Vinnie, you know, yeah, and he puts the people to this like so you were able to see the two my two defendants through this. Crud covered screen to all these trees with all these leaves and all the one two three four five six seven bushes. You're able to identify and you're not like I guess right then he goes to the black woman has to has the glasses like. And were you wearing your prescription sunglasses at the time that you saw these two youths exiting the soap and suds and she's like well, no, honey, I wasn't. They walks down to the end of the whole so treatment how many fingers am I holding up there like this whole thing of of of kind of taking a pirate eyewitness test the money. It's very important this case because these people were getting shot at their fucking running hide and ducing like it's chaos it's bedlam people are like dive in under tables and shit like they're not like. Standing around to get a good old fucking gok you don't want to get eye contact with this guy if he's going to shoot you. I mean he was he was banging in. 22 headshots in under a minute. In sight in the cafe 22 headshots and then he moved into the fucking into the gift shop and started with more headshots like you wouldn't get that if you're playing call the duty. And so you're talking across a time crisis. It's like it's like. Or untanable that a fella who 66 IQ who was not very good to people could be that cold and calculating. knowing exactly how humans would react. How come nobody rushed them? If he was like a little skinny contour way you see there, he looks like a fucking a mop upside down, you know? - Yeah. - Like somebody. - You think one dude would've gone, "Right, I'm gonna dive at this person." - Man, did you ever watch that? Did you ever hear about that like flight 97? - Yeah, yeah. - And then I was like, "Rush 'em!" And then four of guys came, those guys only had box coders, but they were like terrorists and the planes still hit the ground and exploded in Pennsylvania. Like it boggles my mind that as many fucking hired cons as there is in Australia. And a lot of the people in the cafe where Americans went and they get on the ferry, that someone wouldn't be like, here. - I'm gonna take him. - I mean, I fucking stay at night. Shunk, shunk, shunk, like they didn't do something. - Yeah, but say, say, person who 50s is ever, for instance, you'd sit in there for longer than a minute. You know, it all happened so fast. A lot of them were old. - Yeah, I take your point. - I'm gonna say, I'm just saying from the other, I've gotta be the other one. - 100% welcome. - Like I'm thinking, like, so he did something. They called him from that burning house. - Right, that actual Martin guy. So he never leaves. - Did he ever leave, see a skepto? That's the thing. - Yeah, was he there the whole time? - Was he there the whole time? - And who was driving his car around? So he met another lookalike as him, but he's a marksman. He's like, all right, Martin, I'll take it from here. You do Dave and O'Lean. I'll see you later. - No, we'll do that. Did he do Dave and O'Lean? There's no way there's like two, the people that rolled up to C-Scape and he was rude to them to like, fuck off. - Well, another man. - They say it was in some way. - But they say like, yeah, that's, he looked like this. He looked like this to give a description of them. But is that Martin Bryant? I don't know. They didn't know him, Martin Bryant. Looks like nobody did until after. - Yeah. - Yeah, yeah. - But if you're showing a picture of somebody who vaguely looks like, "Oh yeah, that looks like him." - Yeah, a lot of the time people just started to back his head or he's running around. I mean, I know it. I reckon that. - It is a possibility, you'll agree. - It is, yeah. 'Cause like when there's gaps, people just want to answer. It's like what we were saying. And so that's what this is all about. (upbeat music) ♪ Tell 'em all about it ♪ ♪ Those conspiracy guys ♪ - So let's look at what it's all about. - Let's have a look. - It's all about season to goons. Tell us about season, the motherfucking goons in Australia. They're not representing your country's interest, though, I guess. - They love it. I mean, one of my best mates, his dad's job was to call goats. - Right. - Apparently there's a lot of love. - But in Australia, we know goats, I don't think it was one of them, but yeah, there's a lot of there's feral goats. - Feral goats. - And by the way, goat is in like the animal like a sheep. It's not like a religious race slur against, oh, I hate these goats coming around here, taking our jobs, no actual goats. - That's not like wasps. - So is that the. - Yeah, actual Billy Goats graph eating your trousers off the washing line and goats. So that was his job. So like people's jobs. So when there was a gun culling and all that sort of stuff, I mean, people who's at job was to do that, were paid by the council or by the area. And they'd probably still be able to have the guns and all that. They probably wouldn't need a military grade, you know? - Yeah, semi-automatic. - Selly automatics for these crazy goats. They scream like people, though. (dog barking) Or just faint and then fall over and their legs are sick and straight up in here. - Have you ever seen the musical compilations that they do evolve? - Yeah, I think that's all I look up. ♪ We're halfway there ♪ (dog barking) - Yeah, great. - Yeah, great stuff. So, yeah, I mean, it's a great, I don't think it's got as much as a gun culture as America just from Canada. - Absolutely, it doesn't. - And like, we give the start snail as we go along through it, but. - Oh, cool. - It's like, it's like, and it definitely was a benefit to Australia. No matter what, where you clodish. - I would say, yeah, yeah. And also when John Howard did it, like I wouldn't say he, I like you want the result. I think we all, unless you're a mentalist, we all don't want shootings. We don't want it. But no one wants to give the order to give back anyone's guns. You're gonna be the most hated guy that ever ran, especially, and you don't wanna, as people say before, we're here to buy at least half. - Half, and they're the ones who have the guns. They're the ones you don't wanna, usually you'd wanna anger any other group, the zombie class people. Anger them. What are they gonna do? You don't wanna anger the guy. - We don't like John Howard and I want to have a nationwide ban on Zumba. Too many pants are being ripped at the ass from the muscles in your bum's getting too big. We're fed up of it. It's over now. Too much, too much John Howard. - It's very good. - Too much fluorescent colors, cheering, like box size. I don't like the movement of your hips is in flaming the sexual out of the elderly. We need to stop it now. (laughing) As I said, you know what, your accent's better than mine. Yeah, so I mean, when you're going in for that mating to go, okay guys, we'll go to ban the semi-aligned guns. Like, you're going, you're normally one of your, you want the result. - You're not just gonna be a row. - You're not. - You're not over masks for growing up. Like it's gonna be contentious. - Yep. - But at the same time, it's something that, like, new world artery, if you're talking about. - Yeah, but it's also another thing. - If you have a disarmed population or an half-large easier to control, or a. - Usually if, I mean, like, just, you know, completely correct me from wrong and people will, but usually if there's corruptness in the government, there's a lot of money involved. Like, what's, how are they getting billions in their back pocket for banning guns that they're just gonna destroy anyway? You know? Like, there's no financial, there's no financial gain that I can see. They probably would be, but they're not that I can see of banning things that other people have that you're gonna destroy. You just, from, it looks like you just want people who do not get shot. - At the same time, to support that argument, whenever there's a mass shoot in America, you think that the regard for guns goes down and everyone's like, "Oh, you should ban guns now." What actually happens is the sale of guns, - Skulls. - Skulls go up. - So like, mass shootings are the best thing for business when it comes to gun companies create and like, manufacture and weapons. The best thing that they could have is a, is a mass shoot. - So you think? - So you think, so is a theory that's floating out there, I'm just speculating and just guessing, but like, because they didn't think the gun ban would go through, they just thought, "Man, this would be a great advocate for these semi-automatic, you can shoot them from the hip and you don't even have to be left handed." You can, you know, - Even a retard can do it. - Yeah, you can be espasimata as you can still pick off as many people as you want. Like, that's the best advertiser for a gun, if you have advertising guns. - I think in America, yeah. - You can be retarded and still. - Retagate. Retagate. All ages from all corners of the globe. Like, it's horrible, but some people sell tiny stocks, old guns. - Indeed. Like, some of the most respectable men in the world, they don't exist. - That don't exist. - That's the thing. - But still. - It's weird that like, 'cause these theories just come up. - It's weird in the way that that effect happens in America when there's a school, when there's a school shooting or a mass shooting, something like that. The sale of guns goes up. In Australia, not so. The statistics are not so. - No. - And there's only been in the 10 years previous to 1996, there was only eight mass shootings in 10 years. - Nah, 'cause we love knives. That's not a knife, that's not. - We're like, we're more of a knife culture. - Only eight mass shootings and mass shootings being classified as four people or more. Like, that's not a lot compared to the same. I'm talking about later on, same moment in America. But to have this as an excuse to take away the guns of all the Australian people so that if there was a corrupt Australian government or something that, like that shit is kind of common to fruition now. Like, the shit has gone on in Australia even in the last few days, man, I don't know if you know about this. But the cops are going around arresting people for Facebook posts. - Oh, I didn't know about the Facebook posts. - They're going around saying like, if you are a trade organizer protest, you're on Facebook, we find it where you live. And they're breaking into people's houses and arresting people. There was a woman, a pregnant woman, very famously being shared around social media who got like pretty roughly arrested by the Australian police. And under dude who. - Do they get a warrant? They just show it, they share a Facebook post to this sergeant and they go, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - There was no, nothing's shown. - Well, they just, I just liked this. Or the little angry, they put the little angry face on it. And then you know, they're coming over, you know, it's sergeant Clark, dislikes this. Oh, they're all there coming guys. - Get the guns. - Yeah, but they fucking, they started like breaking in. You know, the the baton ram and I are breaking into our houses. - Oh, heaven. - To the video one fella, he's upstairs in the balcony. The house is like, what the fuck do you want, mate? They're like, we're here because you know how we're here. We're here because, well, you know. And the cops are so fucking ignorant about it. He's like, are you charging me with something, mate? He's like, you know how we're here. He's like, you got to fucking tell me what you're talking. You can't just show up in the house and start breaking my fucking shit, mate. - And they start breaking the tank and he runs downstairs. And then like six girl men come in and they're talking about my nuts now. - And it's from a Facebook post and there's new law that can in like it's an incitement to fuck what's it called. An incitement to insurrection or something like that. It's like you're planning on like a guy fox type of rebellion against the Australian Commonwealth. - Oh. - But they roll it into law. And they'll just like six fucking giant cons to show up to your house, battery your door in and arrest you and carry off into the night because you said the thing on the internet. - There've been arresting people in Britain and for like Twitter posts and stuff like that. Like these are countries that don't have guns. Can you imagine like how big your balls would need to be if you were a policeman in Australia, if you knew that somebody in that house could have a lot of guns. - And? - You wouldn't be breaking in an arrest in the cons of Facebook posts. - No, no, and that's true. And you're allowed to shoot someone on your side if they're breaking in. - Of course. Like the last didn't have a warrant. It didn't declare him. So they could have stolen police. uniforms and we're just breaking it to the house for I know that's very facetious as an argument. But like for all he knows that could have been anybody you know they didn't have a warrant, they didn't properly declare way to where we're here to arrest them. You don't have time to get there like their office number or whatever the number is. I mean you're supposed to be served with a thing and they'll often be like okay you can comfortably or we can arrest you and but they didn't just fucking he was standing up in the balcony going like tell me my what the fuck you in my house and it's like I'm the door mate we're breaking it down. Yeah, like very cops rarely get asked you want to your coffee when they come over. Yeah. What are you doing? What are you doing? Am I when the police used to come over Marie she'd spit on a floor. Imagine spitting on her own floor like this the thing like like I if police came to the door like what do you want you're not coming in but like I'll talk to you civilly like I'm not going to be if you have a warrant just like when you got a warning like it's fucking crazy man how how would you be intrigued and that shit is only starting to bear fruit now the shit was the we're talking about it. What the thing was laid out 96 all the guns are in and then five eyes came around which is the international like Edwards Norden type spying cooperation agreement between like North America Canada Britain Australia like people communicate and they're sharing information. It's like an interpol of CIA organizations where they share information internationally of a lot of white people but they're fucking spying on everybody using my tech my social media technology. I believe it. It's them and the tech is there they want to control us we know that. Where do I cause all about it man all about that five ways so like in Australia nobody has any guns so if the fucking government turns on them what are you going to do with? I'm up for like maybe a bit of authority to posts you know like if you put a you okay hand you got a knock on the door yeah stop that at least a letter you took the bait you know you know Margaret better than that or even give her a call not for you okay on but for the vague post is like fuck this shit yeah yeah yeah my god what's wrong I've never felt so humiliated in my life they need to let her at the door to stop doing that yeah that kind of stuff you like no no no no no if it's a peaceful protest let him have a peaceful protest yeah but to not even be allowed to organize yeah is a weird thing because it all like that's the isn't the I mean in America you know we're talking about America like it's it's freedom of speech isn't it number one freedom of speech freedom of ascension number one free movement like all of these things are I love their guns more than I love talking though it's like you think that was number one isn't it if you show up to a protest with a gun you're clean to say something yeah and what's going on important kenoche Dallas Chicago and LA in New York and all these BLM stuff like if you're sure not to protest with a gun that's a that's kind of a non-verbal agreement that you're ready to you're down to clown you know oh yeah yeah that means yeah that means like you could send in the military and it was like well it was it was warranted they had firearms this mad cons like you know I'll call written house or whatever his name is shot people in kenoche in in self-defense and now they're calling him like a white supremacist like mass shooter or whatever it's a very like delicate subject at the moment people are talking about like on ownership and it's a 17 year old kid who had a semi automatic rifle who was at a protest he was defending businesses that black lives matter protesters were damaging burning down break it into and somebody tried to attack him he shot back and then a lot of people tried to chase him and then he shot the people who were chasing him and he fell on the ground and they're all like he murdered he he was out fulfilling a fantasy like he thinks college duty has come to life and he's out taking pot shots at protesters and all like the story has not been told the right way and it seems very you know it's defense right and right here like you know this is bitch but like again the gold culture in America is very different than one in Australia much less mass shootings but and on our population is kind of right for the picking when it comes to like international authoritarian regimes be like what if you just threw hot coffee in everyone's face would you buy on coffee would you buy in all the cars that's the that's the knife argument like if people in London are getting fucking stabbed all the time get an acetone or face the whole time are you about a nose or acid no you can go into fucking t-cam acts and you could pull out like a block of five knives and you do and you do as much damage I think it's close close range even though this was a lot of like you know point blank but I mean I think when it comes to you can harm anyone if your in arms reach with annealing your fist and then go anything you can grab I think the thing was guns are you could be bloody nearly all nearly after miles away yeah still and it's just too easy I think I guess it's when it comes down to that like you can't ban rocks you could easily grab a rock campan bricks yeah yeah that's of met the protest no for true windows you know yeah so like you obviously grievous boarding home will always come up but like it's really you know some guys just go around with the brick and just hitting everyone in a school you know it's rare you don't get often reports of school brickings no so that's the gun thing it's just the ease and the power let's let's talk about the season of the guns in Australian and which is the season for shooting the zombies as well that's these things I don't think yeah yeah so the seizure should I go through you at prime minister john how would that please uh prime is a john howard created the national firearms agreement after this mass shooting event and if we're honest this is already in the works and the port Arthur event is just the the light of the team the box of public opinion is like right this is the time this is a true tragedy officially that's my opinion and not damn you and Clark so yeah I'm just reading let's put it let's put it out there I just don't want anyone clipping that out and saying yeah they made they wasn't they know I think it's a hoax they know I'm face value yeah talk whereas already underway on the Australian gun laws and federal state legislations all came together under howard and it just got in a few months earlier to make these laws a reality so he took a bullet uh but without taking a bullet it was a coalition government yeah but he was but he was the fucking top dog it was very similar to the Wap Baris Johnson has now in the UK or whatever where it has to be like a cooperation to to make breaks a go through but he gets all the credit for it the coalition as we've seen in a minute tentative at the best and probably under false pretenses push yeah some of the some of the effects of the gun ownership and the new agreement had a 28 days waiting period on gun sales strict storage and license agreements a nationwide ban on all fully automatic or semi automatic weapons the limitation who could legally sell or supply any weapons there was also gun buyback program with the Australian government bought back so at least you get your money back yeah that's the good thing man no one wants to he's like man that was that was like two thousand bucks mate no there's your money back for enough 700,000 firearms got your money back I don't have moral seat is that cool um these new gun laws are heavily protested of course the people protesting view john howard is bullying the state legislators you bully taking away and into cooperation they were supporting their conservative state governments who had recently voted for a coalition under the provisor that the Australian government was in agreement with the stance on guns so you had to have the same stance pretty much this was flip flopped or as we say in Australia thonged this was generaled this was crocked and the state government got burned bro they harassed howard and these pro gun rallies as he tried to talk the nation down from the ledge that were even wearing a bulletproof vest as a type of propaganda piece that Aussie gun owners in Victoria was so mental that they would shoot prime minister on site was at a credible threat boy yeah I mean could he could he have been shot at a as an event possibly yeah man but wearing the vest when he went to Victoria it was kind of like a mega hat in port and you know it was kind of like yeah you're all you're all so fucking crazy that you might actually take a shot at me I'm taking your guns regardless you know that was a bit of a yeah they should have done it it was cheeky it was kind of like in your face it was kind of like you know a Barack Obama given a speech behind glass it's like he doesn't trust you and he wants you to know that like you wore a vest outside of his clothes to be kind of like you're all fucking mad and those tree housing people in Victoria protest and he came out to speak sure the animal could have just been like boom and like got brown bread right ahead like my brain is accurate but the coalition thing I think is one of the most underhanded parts of it that all the way through the negotiations to to to farm that government which took a while it was it was an election and it took a while for the coalition was decided how were doing his people were like okay we'll we'll we'll cooperate with the states on on gun iron a sheep and we won't we're a liberal government we're not gonna come down hard on the conservatives and they want to keep their guns and he totally flip that after this and just went no well look that's the fucking this is our 9/11 like we're taking everybody's guns the only reason they have they agreed to the coalition was because they had agreed not to touch anything to do with guns so it was already the rumblings of this kind of thing they needed like a false flag to be able to drive public support behind the removal of guns from Australian culture yeah this was it and he took his he took his opportunity yeah but the college was there any voting in the coalition of who going because it was like who was picked from you know it was only people that were already against the guns or pro banning the guns I don't know the exact details of it because then that could be the that could be in the public going yeah we don't want this to begin I don't I don't have the exact details on the numbers of who was in that coalition and if it were put by in large what the stuff over it has said that the like not losing but the the the diminutive side of the party that was needed to make the coalition only joined that side because they agreed to it be like the Falken Democrats in America if they split the House and said okay we'll help you pass this thing before the truth but you Republicans you're not allowed to do anything you know that to change anything on abortion and Roe v Wade they better not be touched and then they made a coalition government and then they Falken rescinded Roe v Wade because they were still in power like it's not it wasn't it wasn't what they agreed to and it seemed like a very convenient and as you said he was only months in office very well timed false flag to flip flop or jandall on that very contentious issue just seemed all well timed yeah it was very well timed very well timed then that's that's definitely the case uh it took four months to asher in these strict laws on firearms I mean that's still it's a long time but it's still you know it's a relatively sharp time yeah especially when my cold dead hey on these strict laws and firearms and the gun byback amnesty was enforced meaning that even if people held illegally obtained or owned guns they could just drop the mean no questions asked and get their buyback fee that's not bad but how do they get the fee what do you mean oh right there's next bit some of I thought you meant how do I do I know cash cash a check cash converts do take yes you take bank transfer some of the buyback funds were paid back uh usually a subsidy or levy on the medicare system they're then probably thinking well we won't see a lot of these people back for medical things because they won't be shot so the guns were paid for by other people's insurance premiums can this can't be right cat that was a little question that's what I think like the used funds from the medicare the the pool of like social security to buy back the guns yeah presumably because we're able to ride it off against how much you know they'd have to prevent people getting shot by guns or gone suicides or gone accidents and all that stuff but surely it wasn't yeah man how much did they pay for 700 000 guns like that's a lot of that's a lot man that's millions but I mean could they have got it from like something else like self do you know not self defense what's the you know what's the monetary defense force and stuff like that take either from the medicare that's where they got it yeah man why didn't they get it from surely there's you know who's really in charge of Australia we're talking about that in the minute yeah well some lady with a crown yeah yeah yeah maybe one doesn't want Australia to be armed in case one wants to reinvader no that's bull man because who do they call when there's a there's a war on get those handsack back they love Australians and New Zealanders having guns yeah because we've we've got their back because she's on our money man who's got a fight in Gallipoli done right yeah us mugs I have to one has to be careful of her southern hemisphere utilities trying to think of something impersonal to call it all the brown people but yeah man the 700 000 guns that were returned apparently only a careful one third that'd be better of all the guns in the country at the time and the reduction in gun suicides and mass shootings is really apparent but there had only been eight mass shootings in the previous 10 years in Australia I mean there's still too many but yeah when you think of this compared to the US states it's minuscule with more than 50 in the US in the same time period and ramping up the numbers like into 2015 dubbed the year of mass shootings classifying a mass shooting as an incident where four or more are killed or wounded oh yeah that's anything above that they were more than more sorry where there was more than one what I can read that say a lot of a lot of numbers here and it's read a read careful the word in 2015 which is the year of mass shootings there are mass shootings yeah I got that where the mass shooting is classified as four or more people or more there was more than one mass shooting per day in 2015 just everywhere I wrote that in the in the in the whole country of America only just America in America in 2015 there was more than one a day 272 mass shootings wow 475 deaths and 18 170 injuries so when you think like Australia in the between 1986 and 1996 eight mass shootings in America 50 yeah that's ludicrous what albums were out in 2015 like what was on the radio a lot where people just like hearing things are I thought Shakira again oh I mean I don't want to like get into a whole thing because we're we're we're just about to we're do you really have a really hard poo like I haven't had enough water and you're and you're pushing it that's kind of dry for your ira rache and let's kind of catch the sides and the way out but when it goes past halfway it just goes I don't know the past is that critical mass and the rest of it all falls out we're just about to crown and just slip all the way to the end of this episode with a whole load of conspiracy stuff really the audience thinking cool so I don't want to get too deep on a ball of something to do but yes the reason in 2015 it was only machines come through gear and up for an old election the same way as in the last year and the last like 12 to 80 months there's been loads of violent insurrection chas and chapp you've had protests to turn into riots and now you have full blown basically like full blown armed civil war in the streets where you have lads shooting each other on both sides of the oil Republicans versus Democrats anti-fah versus patriots as they like to call themselves each one is a slur to the other side um uh fucking shootings in kinoa shaburn and taken over whole sections of the city important and it's all happening because there's a fucking election in November they were like someone's job and a lot of the time they might just be a mascot yeah for whatever else the parliamentary body wants to do scapegoat for shizzle scapegoat mascot 2015 all the way into 2016 like there was so many mass shootings there was like in 2016 there was some of the most like well right now like glass Vegas and shit like that was happening like it was a massive like voter uh sore point pain point on trump had to fucking come out and say like I can name these guys but also the NRA are paying for quite a lot of my uh campaign fund so I can't say guns are bad okay but when people die okay it's not good okay dead people can vote for me don't do that don't don't shoot anybody okay well do but but only if you're supposed to and buy the guns first don't okay gun buy guns like it's just you know you get wrapped up in that whole fucking moral quandary that he was wrapped up in but basically it was all by non-anhalary no one the gun control trump was like I'm okay with guns like that's yeah what that's what pushed him up for those people but it's well pushed him against for the people who don't like him because they also don't like guns so it's like force by making fuck man by making a lot of mass shootings as a false flags like sam burnadino or Las Vegas you then force him to come out on one side or the other and the people who don't like what he has to say won't vote for him and then Hillary is like come to me I don't like guns and they also want to control American have an unpopular is the same as you know what they think is an Australian the UK it's all this narrative of a vantigone control in this kind of shit so it's like it's more than we're going to be talking about today but like you can see where conspiracy people would get into going like of course it's a false flag because they want to swear the election for people who are in favor of it and you know yeah yeah it's it's it's murky right it feels dirty your face is like I'm trying to it's feel the NSX because the real war and the real victims of the innocent people that just get caught up in mashews like and it like just regular people is leaving their lives but who's are somebody's organizing the talk man you know like somebody's organizing those my students that shit is not happening the way people are saying that's happening there's loads of evidence to say that that's the truth that except not that much evidence for this case in order well there's there's no there's no empirical evidence against Martin Bryant that's we're going to go for or against either way yeah well yeah you have to say that because you're the every man in the every man dude that's me but usually when you can pick someone of murder you have to have evidence for a lot of evidence do you know what I mean with all the people they interviewed you're dead right they had fingerprints back then yeah for sure this should have been ziplock bags all over the shop at least just to make it fucking automatic rifle make it only man where's the photos of that online and that so we're crowning now we're crowning okay this is the the international conspiracy section we're gonna go down we're gonna go down through some of these and we'll stop after each one and just kind of give it a little bit of a tickle under balls and see is they're adding to it as a conspiracy is there any merit to the claim and demos probably going to be like mmm nah I'm bush but like we need I am to we need that I am too for a few but I always but see that's the thing I I haven't witnessed anything you haven't witnessed anything at all so it's all what we can just we've got stuff in front of us absolutely and to be honest homie hands up boys and girls I am I'm biased like it or not I'm a podcaster with a brain I'm a person with a heart in the mind you know and I will read stuff and take it in and I'll have an opinion about it and sometimes the things they read after I make opinions on stuff colored the things they read in the future it's a natural fucking hazard for a consumer median today is yeah every day but this is this is an impersonation of me finding out that it was indeed Martin Bryant it definitely was ah thought so this is me finding out that it definitely wasn't Martin Bryant with someone else ah yeah it makes sense you know like it's just say that that's how much yeah it's not bringing those lives back man It's just but but but there's it's so many questions. Yeah, and the same with Sandy hook the same with hook and Columbine the same with Las Vegas the same with Aurora You know same with San Bernardino all of these people are dying. There's bodies being taken away Maybe not in Sandy hook. Well people are people are dying and bodies are being taken away shit's happening People are losing people because of bullets going into bodies and making life stop. Yeah Put the surrounding narrative the surrounding machinations of these things happening something's not right And people can feel it yep, but again If you're biased when you're a hammer everything looks like a nail that's the thing I've been saying to myself over the last few months When I'm researching all they're getting ready for all of these episodes If you think white people are terrible and then you meet a terrible white person you're like I fucking know it like You're looking for the confirmed confirmation of your own Feelings because nobody wants to be wrong. I don't mind being wrong And some people come out after this show is over and said Like it's 100% true and definitely this and definitely that Like I'm open to it. I'm not closed off to change in my mind And I think that a lot of people have to really focus check themselves in 2020 and 2021 and on into the future because It's not going to get any better for the truth like the truth is on the fucking ropes here And it's not going to get any better We all have to be ready to focus change our minds and if we're not Get ready to be wrong and stay wrong. Do you know? I don't have to live with the consequences of that A lot of people say I've got a man. Yeah, they're going to be on the right side of history. I'm like At the moment nobody knows which side is the right side. Let's get ready to be wrong As I'm saying Because we can't be guaranteed for a race So for these ones if you have any issues any problems DM this guy Get on this card Let's talk about it We're going to do a live don't get don't get at the at the Aimean Clare comedy is not the place you need to be I don't mind These are all questions. We just all we don't know. It's just talking. The thing is I'm gonna have a live chat about this. We're gonna get some Aussies on We're going to get some gone people on we're going to get some people talking about what what they think about these issues In a live chat in the future. So keep it out for that on social after this has been released super important stuff Especially now when we're talking about fucking arms Armed civil war in America Like man the Australian police like breaking the people's houses and like arresting them for Facebook. Like Never never a more Partner's time to have an episode on poor diretor. I think I've been asked about it for years Let's go into the conspiracy parts. Here's the juice get your beat get your conspiracy beans ready. They're gonna get flicked Did it in foil? That's gonna be go So experts into this case have delved deep into the fairly obvious conspiracy narrative that could be right that with all these circumstances and subjects There are some strange currencies in the locality at the time of poor diretor And there is really serious questions about the legitimacy of this official story So a lot of this stuff is from direct truth.org and then there's also a blog spot website portal Port Arthur inquiry dot blog spot dot com There are places where these um Questions about the official narrative pop up So on that Sunday here's a weird one demo strapping. Oh that's on day 29th 20 after 29th of April that happened over that weekend That's on the 10 senior managers of poor diretor We're taking to safety Miles of the east coast for a seminar With a vague agenda and no speakers. They were just bundled into cars And taken away from poor diretor that weekend with no real explanation What do you make of that trying to get the important people out of the town out of the town? maybe But also like where's that from like who are these who are these are from these direct direct the dark truth dot org checker sources Obviously, oh yeah, but these are like these are like witness testimony's going like my manager wasn't around We didn't know what to do. Yeah, how important are they well. He's like I used to I used to There's a volunteer in an old age home right for a while and some manager sometime. Yeah straightaway And sometimes it is like I just want to get out of here like you just you would any day trip just to shut them up Yeah, you were like all right. Let's just go over like yeah, and you have to make up something Why we're going for a bus ride you just had to get it you know, let's just change a scenery. Oh, we have a guest speaker and just like uh, okay Maybe maybe on the tour and it doesn't seem weird, but When you say that the two police men who usually patrol the area and port diretor particularly the the museum area where can then shut up a bunch of motherfuckers These guys were called away in a wild goose chase and sent up to a coal mine and saltwater river to invest to get a heroin drugstash reported by an anonymous caller Jamie maybe oh And that shit turned out to be Washington powder. So it was obviously a cook who fake you know bullshit story the dragon Away it was too far away for them to get back in time to start my shoot at the cafe between one third in two Is he too dimmed to pull that off? I mean that's some fucking Treaty char4d chess shit going on there like yeah, go to fucking it's like uh I was called the you know solid snake, you know He's another third reference. No No, it's a fucking computer game on the PlayStation Metal Gear Solid. Oh, I So try that in a sneak around and you have to draw the thing and then the and then the guy goes Huh? What's that and then it's the go over and investigate like that's a fucking Tactical shit. Yeah, I mean if you were gonna if you were gonna plan something like this that's exactly what you would For a ladder 66 IQ is doing pretty well. Yeah, if you knew there was only a couple of things But also, you know, no one really likes cops at much anyway and they'd always get planks prey on them Yeah, but at the at the minute and hour that he was doing the thing it was good time between half one and two come on Yeah, this also happened at the Columbine massacre where the lads Called in a like a bomb trash and the cops left the school area Went to go where the bomb was it was a car pack them a liver field and There was no cops in the area. So they ended up being able to roam around the school Willful abandoned shooting odds being they had extra time after they had a sexual encounter in the show I still don't believe that so may neither what with this is a weird one And it's it's one of the ones that's like Big red flag for the conspiracy people a big martyrie truck was purpose built In the area to house 22 bodies. So it's a big refrigeration. Come on. Right? It's timing was impeccable and after the massacre it was sold It was a refrigeration truck driven to port after that Sunday and then I got that from port atron korea blog spot calm The quote is the fact that a morgue truck with over 20 bays was built before the massacre Two specifically designed embamming machines were sent to whole by it that week one firm in particular Nelson brothers Had organized for an embamming box and a special large equipment case to be manufactured ready for the incident These two containers were the envy of all embammers in the area and worked extremely well 18 these facts were never reported in fact They were suppressed and dug up by investigators afterwards because we've known about these Preparations I think we might have become even more suspicious of how ready the city of whole by it was for a traumatic incident Major proportions like in a little place like whole by it. Why would you need a mobile embamming Station with 22 bays of refrigeration to house bodies from like a mass shooting or a bomb or something like that I'll tell you why I'll tell you right now. There's a lot of old people in high-five And as I said 22 them dying at the same day and you're like I'm going down in the fucking old people bus to pick up a lot of fucking stiffies Yeah, but they get a lot of cruise ships and what's on cruise ships a lot of old dead people I don't think so if it was Just crucious a lot of dead people are there wouldn't be in business for that long Like how many people do you think you're gonna die in a cruise ship? Well heaps man, I work on cruise ship. Not like old people on one cruise. How many people you look at a dying like in 50 Like as old people old people right ask around anyone who doesn't cruise ship around ask cruise ship people Old people now it's cheaper to live on a cruise ship as an old person Then in an old age time to get fed they travel around and they just do that to they die I'd love to see the stats. I'd love to see the stats every time it pulls into every time a Every time it pulls into a port. It's like I kind of might back up the truck We've got all the stiffies from Singapore and you're like You know driving into a bay and there's like 50 people have died in the two days I took to roll around the fucking coast my bait. There's a lot of the thing cold right and Jason Cook is a commander from Newcastle and and he's telling this and since I've seen him do a bit about this Because he's to work on cruise ships to on gigs There's a thing called ice cream day if they start giving out lots of free ice cream Just around it's because The freezes the morgue is full so they need the freezer space for more dead old people So they give out more ice creams. There's ice google at man. It must be somewhere ice cream days on a cruise ship That I believe That is such a specific Piece of It's what the star of the cruise ship like the love boat. That's an ice cream day. Jesus. That's a over 38 and there people in Because the the margues will so that's the commercial freezer. Yeah in the kitchen. That is fucking hilarious, bro Yeah, yeah, like you know, I'm just saying like remember okay Like these these these they could be nothing in common. It's very it's there's no way I could have excused that 22 birth refrigerator for but dead bodies until you came along with ice cream day that for me now is Stricing from the room. I mean there's a lot of it's a good perfect. It's like this is a perfect. This is all The timing is is ludicrous for this though. It's and the fact that we can't question it but like can't question it ice cream day I'll take it but I'm just saying there's a lot of old people there. Okay. I get it Yeah, anyway, and it's something that I'm gonna look into ice cream day is that another t-shirt ice cream day Officially mountain Bryant was never properly identified or officially identified as the government the witnesses gave descriptions of the shooter our shooters As an an amalgam was made to make it sound like mountain Bryant with long blonde hair skinny wearing these clothes. One young woman gave a statement saying that they had a freckled face and Graham Collier, a wounded ex-soldier said that the shooter had acne or pockmark skin, neither of which match Martin Brian's description. Collier was one of the lads who seen looked into his face and then he dug down his head and he was shot in the neck at the top of the survived because he missed the head shot. One of the only ones that he did miss. So Collier was the guy who survived who looked into his face the longest and he said he had loads of acne. Martin Brian did not have it. He had a good diet because he was always eating out. Exactly. Who the fuck was that guy then? That's a weird detail. If you're going the whole case is built and I went into descriptions. Yeah. That's like he definitely didn't have acne. It's just a weird thing. What do you think? Unless you had spec, what is it speculatism? You know, when you get, you know, you just see a flash and then you like, you know, you just like, like, no, if he says that, I'm guessing he saw it. I would imagine so. Acne is kind of recognizable, but Martin Brian had a clear complexion. So like, what, like, what could that tell you? Is Graham Collier just fine? Would you find a shooter to do that? Let me tell you where you just fucking lads a cue and up to get this. That's fun. So the day after it was, it was, it was Maurice Bryant. It wasn't him that all along. I don't know. It was his dad. That's some of a jazzy conflagration. Like the day after the shoot in the local paper, the whole buyer, he had a big picture of Martin on the front page, but according to the law of the land, this is actually illegal. And the witnesses who hadn't identified Martin or had been interviewed by the police yet, this all colored their judgment and even skewed their testimony when they were given descriptions to police are in court. Because it's easier to go. Yeah, that's him than to paint it. One woman, in fact, when she was asked by police under a Durham official investigation after the picture had been released in the paper, one woman gave the description of the man who was the shooter wearing clothes on the shooting day that were actually a false memory. It was the clothes that Martin was wearing in the picture in the front page of the paper. And she was in the cafe, given the details, what was he wearing? He was wearing a blue top. What snake is that was why he was fucking wearing in the picture son? Like that's how we easily an eyewitness testimony can be fucking skewed. Yeah. Yeah. So if you have your man gone, he was acne and then the woman is like, I couldn't give a picture like the evidence is not there to say 100% true. I went to testimony on I'm Martin, Bryant. That was fucking him. Yeah. And I'm since he was a kid, like there's nobody there like that. It was all strangers and tourists. Yeah. That's true. Like if you saw Santa Claus, you know, just in July, just walking around, but it was wearing like a tracksuit, which is just easier to find out about the beard. Yeah. Or do you go, I saw Santa. He was wearing a red hat who's wearing the red guy, because that's how you bitch is exactly exactly. Are like to know the police call to the description. Like, it's like was he Caucasian or African American? You know that Dave she's had a bit. Oh, yeah. And he was like, well, he was African American. And the rest is description. Oh, yeah. Big lips big dick. Yeah. We know the guy put it put it the same picture of the same black guy. And it's just could be anybody between five foot four and six foot nine. Like this guy thing. So like they show a fucking picture to do it on the paper. Totally is going to skew everybody's opinion. There's no one parake of evidence. I'm not the fan of Martin, but there's conspiracy ways I am behoved to say there is no physical evidence. Are I witness testimony that is concrete enough to convict in a court, a law. That's why he had to be pleading guilty. Yeah. I mean, it should have been a case close. You like they should have been out. They would have had enough so much stuff. Because he walked everywhere. They had his car. He's DNA. They had his bag. They had all of this shit. So that's the thing. It took the police six and a half hours to get to the scene after the shooting started. And it could be argued that they were busy up at the siege up at sea skip, but no one that the shooter was in custody meant that they didn't need to be like in port actor take care of people. But the folks at the cafe were left to their own devices and a nurse had to take care of them all. There was three shots heard in port actor at six hearty. Well, Brian was under siege at sea safe. So who was following our name shots? Just like God loves. Just like tribute to Martin. Let's just shit all over the place. But the forensic evidence and the all you witness evidence from the broad arrow cafe. Like there's no DNA and there's no hair follicles. There's no he pushed the bag. He was he's after eating. So he had like a play. He had a cop. He had a knife and fork two juices two juices. They couldn't get any of the focus like any of the the the library stuff. Not to that. It would have been all be there. Here are even parts of the clothes. Did they test these hands for like the gun power for for money fired the gun. The fingerprints on the magazine. He was touching things as he went around the handles of doors. Of course. None of that was easily just gone. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Just even just five fingerprints to do it. Yeah. You'd think just like when they were recreating like because they had to have to you know, unfortunately, have to go. Well, it was here. Yeah. Those people there. They're you know, they would have you think the fingerprint just to go. Well, that checks out. We know what happened. We know who saw what we know. You know, you think that would just be the first thing you do. If you're a force. It's typical typical crime scene investigation protocol. You have to do that. Yeah. Man. It's your job. Like they weren't hoping that he was going to play guilty and just didn't bother taking up the evidence. Like it's fucking real shit. Like should all be there. But then the Australian history. But then in that case, then there have to be an authority in the police department to be like double the lads doing. We got the you know, like to tell them to know we've got them already like this and so on. Don't even bother with the procedures. That makes it look so much more suspicious that it's like, don't even bother taking those. Yeah. So surely one of the officers in sign up. We've already got this guy. So they were either all into it. All they all just went, yeah, okay, don't worry about it. You know, say that they weren't done into it. How many times how many times have people been read or ordered by the cops when they have no evidence at the scene and you're just like, oh, we just make everybody think it was this conned and they just did it. They just railroad the people just like, look, I'm fucking Steven every like because the people here to them think about that as a fucking narrative. Martin Bryant, special needs out the door, far as gone levels. You know, you want to think enough like, your mama sure does love your school and son. Yeah. What's what's five little points here? Your son is under the line. We need 70 IQ and he's 65. What's five little points? Like, far as calm did achieve a lot. But like Martin Bryant is not on that kind of fairy tale level. He's special fucking needs and he was able to do all of this stuff and get away without any evidence. Like it's it's it's so bizarre that they hadn't got anything to prove like they're fucking railroads at him. The same as Steven Avery who was also, I guess, intelligently diminished Brendan Dassy the same. They put him through the ringer because he had fucking got almost a million dollars from inheritance from a woman who was a millionaire like a tens of millions of dollars she had from a fucking lottery fortune. Yeah, give him the life of royally. He was made for now. I've gone under place with the finest of clothes. He was a fucking local boob. If we need to do this shit, we got to pick someone who they would believe would do it. Yeah, he's had a rifle since it was for Steven Avery the same. He was rich because he had a fucking car trash in business and there were like who we're going to get like who we're going to get to to do to do to do to do for this fucking murder of this trees a halback. Boom, Steven Avery. Like there was a rapist going into thinking was in jail for the first time for 18 years was because he was just in around the area. There was a rapist like doing loads of rapes all up and down the beaches and they just painted on Steven Avery and Truman Jail for it. And then he got out and then the police. He was going to sue the police for millions of dollars and we're like we can't let that happen. Kiltries are halbacking get that content jail. This is the same thing. This is the same type of situation where we need an outcome. How do we get to that outcome? We need guns to be banned in Australia. How do we get to it? Tag it on this fucking vegetable. Yeah, but see the government doesn't want to massacre 35 people. They want it. They want to send us they want to send us to water do that. Yeah, they don't want to kill. They want to kill us slowly with the water they poison. It doesn't matter. They'll kill covertly or overtly. They'll leave people to die without treatment for like cancer or diabetes or like they leave people to die from you know neglect homelessness. Yeah, no, but they love children being fucking raped and trafficked and like the government don't give a fuck. No, they love neglect that the government that's how they want to kill people just neglect. They don't they don't go right. Let's shoot these. No, they don't just fish in a barrel. They don't do if they want to if they're like right, we need a big tech and item because we've got to push through this once in a lifetime legislation. What have we gotten in the chamber guys? Well, what have we got? Excuse the pun. What have we gotten the chamber to get this through? Right, Mr. Howard, we have maybe an invading force, maybe some terrorists blow up something and Sydney may be out of light. No, it's too much destruction. Something small. Well, there's this retard in Hobart. He's been hanging around with a really rich girl wearing a blue suit. Perfect. Let's get on him. Like that shit writes itself. It's a stevening situation, dude. Yeah, it doesn't make sense. They did it in Tasmania. Why Why in Tasmania? Why not in mainland Australia? because there'd be too many witnesses, there'd be too many people. And this goes into the next part. That's one of the things I talk about making a murderer. If there's a video footage or whatever of Martin Bryant drawing the map, he did with the stick people, like they did with. Brendan Dassy. Brendan Dassy. Yeah. You know, draw a tie into the bed or like what it was. Was it Corks, the Mabron? Yes, they made him do it. I know you've seen the Ford Fidio. Did Martin do that on his own, the map of him and the red sticks where the people. Like if he did that on his own, that's evidence here that how would he know that otherwise if he didn't do that? If he didn't do that on his own. Yeah. Because that would show the go. That would show the video, Brendan Dassy in the documentary. And the whole fucking world was like, yeah, that kid has to get out of jail. I fucked that. That's unfair. The whole world said that. Yeah. And they've been working on it for, what, five years now, six years now? Yeah. That's bananas. But still, it's going to take six years to get into the American fucking legal system. And the we on all, he's a fucking spasmataz who got fucking put in jail. I'm going to use that name instead of retargeting. Retarget's hotpotton word at the moment. He's a fucking spasmataz who's in jail for something he didn't do. Yeah. And the same with the same with these, if Martin drew that, like on a, on a, on a video. And I bet you're 100%. Yeah. 100%. That would be like, he's definitely anywhere. In June '95, the owner of the Broad Orcafe, Jim Lecock sold it to the Tasmania government. So in an age of privatization, this seems to be an extremely unusual case of acquisition by the government of any kind of business, normally considered the preserve of the private enterprise. But the government, which took over the building on the first of July '95, proceeded to refurbish it, presumably to create the perfect environment for this kind of a massacre to be planned. Oh, come on, man. The work included insertion of a new door to the rear of the building, the very door, which infamously failed to operate on the day of the massacre. Oh, get it. That's a little bit much. That is a little bit much else said here. Okay. Now, when we're just going to, so there'd be like a guy, because like, okay, we need a door here, but cannot not operate if someone had a heavy bag or like, right. So, there's a fire stretch. Brian wants to eat outside. So he'll come through. Can we make a door here? Because he wants to come back through and then around to shoot people. There'll probably be people hiding it. So we want to go, you know, no. Yeah, I'm feeling, okay. I'm feeling your dough down that one. Feeling your dough. But it's just one of the ones that put out there. I'm just saying what the end of it's like. Like, I'm saying no, but then, if there's more evidence for that, like, I'm saying that if there's more evidence for that, like, you know, I'm with you under there. But I don't know. And another thing with the, the, the, that is weird. If it's all privatised and then the government, they sold that to the government. But it is like, it's a, the whole area because of this. Yeah. It's nationalised. Nationalised, the government's sort of own. Anyway, maybe they just wanted to extend it all. That's, you would imagine. It's the same as having like a cafe and the grounds of a museum or something like that. Probably on apparently by the government and like, like, least outer or what would you call a franchise doubt into like fucking, yeah, the government would already have the, the, you know, the, the convicts were all held anyway. So they must have just gone. Like, just, the cafe is more because I want to sell it. I want to sell it. There's a Starbucks in the CIA headquarters. So Starbucks have it. So all the people who are employees of the Starbucks headquarters are actually employees, government employees who work first. No, why? They got a little badge. Yeah. Then they have to security clearance. A little onion. That's great. You don't need to hack into the Pentagon. You just need to be able to make a. It's Starbucks. You know, get, get someone's name spelled wrong on the cup. That's the right and colds and the coach. Yeah. Yeah. It's like, oh, no, we have to murder Bob. He's back from lunch at two. So yeah, Bryant was supposed to have killed the Martins at the seascape. So that's an airline and David before he went down to poor director, but strange, strange and a strangeness of strangeness. Two policemen reported seeing a naked woman with black hair screaming and running from one building to another in the mid afternoon while Martin Bryant was down shooting people in chasing little girls to the forest in poor director. What? I got it. Ron was supposed to have killed people. He killed the Martins first. Where were the cops? Where are these cops? I like quarter to 12. And then he went and he spent like an hour and a half doing all that and put them in the bed and all this kind of stuff. And then at like 20 to one, he started driving towards poor director. He got there at like one 10 has one and then sat in a cafe and half on how he's filled in and started shooting everybody. So in between the time he left seascape and the time that the shooting was over, which is like, half two, something like that. Two policemen saw a woman naked running from one building to another. Maybe that's just. Maybe that's just what she likes. But that was a that was the size of a murderer already. Like there was nobody at seascape. Yeah. Why was there a naked woman black hair? That's just completely at a left field. He doesn't like explanation for it. And it's a real thing and it's fucking weird. And he like really guys. And then you see that and then gunshots after. I know you saw this in the documentary. But there was no dead naked people that was candid for. So two were they. Who was dressed? Who fucking knows where she was or why she was running? Where was she? Did they take part in the way? The fuck knows bro. This weird thing to report. Here's another weird thing. And you saw this in the doc because we watched the set up. Yeah. When Martin was on the phone to police from the seascape siege when he was inside, there are cops that are registered on the phone called transcript. And we've actually heard that in the documentary. You can hear him talking to Jamie. I like. He puts on this weird voice. Yeah, it's great. I say the cops. You're like, what the fuck man? So it's in the transcript as a police man coughing. But they're actually gunshots and they've been analyzed by experts to be the shots of an SKK rifle. And it fires 20 times. 20 times. They don't wear it shooting. Who would shoot now as a shooting cops? Is a shooting. There's nobody in the sky. I love shooting. All right. Like fuck a mad man. Why is there 20 shots from an SKK rifle coming out and who's shooting the rifle if Martin is on the phone to the police? 20 shots. Could it be like. You know, you cover up the receiver and then just out the window. Who fucking knows. But it's a weird thing to have on a phone called recording. Is that like that? That layer could have been him holding it and shooting at the same time. It sounds like it could. It could. Like it was originally like. Oh, yeah. That's what they sound like on the recording. Yeah. Yeah. So that's someone coughing because it's like mildly fire away. They were still loud enough, but they were identical like who cops identically every time. Like it's fucking weird, man. And they analyze it and said, yeah, SKK weird. Here's another super weird one. A drill god live situation similar to that happened to Sandy Hook was playing out in whole by that day because get this. This is coming a role now bang, bang, bang, bang. Assembly on our 25 specialist doctors and surgeons were in whole by now. Whole by does not a fucking big place. Like I said, it's a town at the bottom of an island that's at the bottom of a big island that's at the bottom of the whole planet. It's a small spot. 25 specialist doctors and surgeons were in whole by that weekend and they were a seminar that specialized in the terrorist attack and gunshot wounds. And they all stayed on into the week after the shooting on the Sunday to take care of the wounded. That's very handy. Also false flag 700 reporters and journalists from 17 different countries were invited to whole by like how difficult is it to get to Tasmania? It's pretty difficult. Pretty difficult if you're flying. In the light not easy. Come on flying from anywhere in the world. Even if you're flying from Australia to go from Sydney to whole by it. It's a flight and a connective flight or a boat. Yeah. It's not a stretch shot. It's hard to get to all by. 700 reporters and journalists from 17 different countries were asked to be there early over the weekend because it was a seminar for them starting on Monday morning. The same one that bus of old people gone. Was it so handy to have all the world's media right on the fucking button for when this thing kicked off so they could cover it straight away from the first moments to have like ABC news to have BBC news Johnny on the spot in front of people who are still covered in muck and shit and blood and all from the cafe running out and the BBC is like, hello from the BBC. What's just happened? Ah the fucking cat was shaking around the place. Perfect timing. 700 journalists. Like that's crazy and regular for false flag situations where there was people prepped under a false pretense. Like 700 journalists from 17 different countries. And we haven't heard of it from any of them gone. Yeah, I thought it was a bit weird while we were invited down there. Why haven't we heard from any of these? That's what we all was asked. A lot of people. That's the conspiracy man. It's weird. Like they were obviously going to the seminar and they're like, yeah, I'm going to pay and go to the seminar. And then they heard someone coughing and went, wait a second. That's an SKK rifle. Let's go report. So gun legislation, the gun control was already on the agenda and the minds of the Australian politicians with Barry Unsworth saying in 1987, there will never be gunned. It's gun reform in Australia without a massacre somewhere in Texas. Or Nostradama's unsworth over here. Yeah, he called it on the under button. Very specific and haunting prediction there from Barry Unsworth. Deputy Prime Minister Tim Fisher in May 1996 said, if we don't get this right this time, next time there is a massacre and there will be, then they'll take all our guns off us. Like that's a pretty accurate prediction. But I mean, that's a bit of common sense, isn't it? Yeah, but they're talking about this shit for a long time before that thought. Like a long time. Yeah. like guns out of the hands of Australian people and British and the British. Yeah. And how long would the Democrats talk about handing in the guns in America? Oh, loads. I mean, it's not because it's not because these politicians in the government like hate guns. They like, there's always, they're always photos of holding guns. It's because they want the votes. They want people to like them. They just don't want people to get shot. If you couldn't say, if you couldn't say, I got like guns, you're not going to get a vote off anymore. Exactly, man. Because the fear, the constant fear since look fucking the revolutionary war. It's written into our constitution, man. Second amendment rights. We got them. You can't take our guns. And the whole point is that you're supposed to have guns to fight back against tyranny against the tyrannical government. Yeah. And right now and then, but right now, more so than ever, there are tyrannical governments doing stuff that are not in the best interests of the people of those countries. And it's very convenient that Australia doesn't have the amount of guns that it used to have because I'd say there'd be no fucking police wrapping into your house for a Facebook post if everyone had guns. And now we're seeing the fruits of these labors that happened in 1996. So you think they. It was also set as a precedent for a good example of gun control. And any time anyone in America is talking about the gun control issue, they're always referenced in poor diretor, they're always referenced in. The Australians have put out a perfect system of gun control. They bought back all the guns and now their gun mass shooting events have gone down to zero. This is a definite line we should take on gun control in America. You can hear that all over the place. People thought that the whole time using this as an example. This is the one. But what happens if it's not real? What happens if it was manufactured to push that through? We're all doomed. Like, we're all going to get shot when we're just having a cup of coffee and it's just to do it ourselves. Yeah, but then why would they plan a mass shooting to stop future mass shootings? It's dumb. I give you that. The government, like, that's. But then it's a fucking. It's a. It's a current and stick type of thing. Like, in order to get the guns after people to stop mass shooting, it's not to stop mass shootings. It's to get the guns after people. So they have the control? So they have control? Or they can exert control at any point without fear of reprisal? But yeah, they've got the military. You know, and they're probably going to be better than, you know. But if you roll the military out on your own people, the rest of the world under like, you know, certain agreements and anti-cruelling and, you know, you win memberships and all this stuff. Like, there's a reason North Korea is not like favored by a lot of the conscience because they're really shit to their people. Yeah. And anytime you're shit to your people, like, Saddam Hussein and Iraq, if you start fucking around or Assad and Syria, if you start fucking around and fucking with your own people, they'd be like, "No, you can't be the leader anymore. You got to go." Yeah, you're fucking with your own people. We're pulling down your statue, you might. And that's what they do. So like, if you're bringing the military into control of people, it's not a good thing. So we're not doing it covertly. That's what we're like. We want our guns. So if you just go over there with that plank of wood, just hit the window. I think the end is a plank of wood in the middle. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's less forceful. So, but still, like, I don't know. You don't get it. You don't have to feel that. We're talking about that. I give you these last two things. Yeah, but me personally, I'm not scared of the government over pair. Like, I just, I've never lived somewhere where that's happened. But I don't, you know, like for me, I'm not like, I don't think there's going to be a time where I'm going to need a gun to shoot like, not a shoe, but like, what happens? The year, I don't want to get into the government representatives. I don't want to talk about Corona masks or anything like that. But like, do you not see that there's a definite like exercising of overexercising of power? Absolutely. Of the people at the world right now. Oh, man, totally. They all want us chipped. They don't want us talking to each other. Like, but then you could say that, like, they could say that it's coincidence. We all have smartphones and we don't talk to each other personally so we can come together, but we're connecting through otherwise. But then it's more hateful and it's a long game of control. And we know, you know, we have no weapons and we're all chipped because we all want to be vaccinated because we do not want to be, you know, sick and all that. And they totally man. Like they're controlling, apparently how we vote, how we think, what we buy. Yeah. So what happens then, if we are as a people start to turn and go, well, no. Collectively, we've all had a word. Yeah, but that's the thing. And we've said, we're not going to do this. So fuck you. And then the government goes, we are going to do it. And then we're like, no, we're not. And then we can march and we can walk and we can jump and put our fists in the air and do all that stuff that we want. And then if we start fucking smashing the place up, the National Guard comes down. The military comes down. Are the police get armed with increasingly more and more militaries and heavy duty armor and weapons? And then all of a sudden we're like, uh, we won't wear the mask. It's like, yeah, fuck on well. It turns into a Margaret Atwoods. We're going to be in a man's tail type situation where you will behave because we have guns. And if you don't behave, we'll shoot you and you can't shoot us back as you've not guns. Yeah, but I don't want to live in that world. Just shoot me really. Like if it's come, if you've got, if the government's got a gun in their shoot, they're going to shoot me and my family and like, and I've got a gun, I'm like, well, what some of us are going to get shot now. Yeah, it's called a revolution. Yeah. But it's happened. It's happened. It's happened. It's happened in countries like recently, but it's just not in our news. Yeah. It's shit like that happening. And it happens. It happens all the time every week. It's happening somewhere every week. So like, if we want to gun like we can, they can get them illegally. Like they can, but can you can if what happens if everybody has one and they can get them legally? It means where more people have. Well, we know what happens when everyone has one. Everyone's already getting shot for no reason because psychos, it can always shoot. There's always going to be a massacre. It's got nothing to do with the revolution. It's just not jobs, man. Most of the time, it's not jobs. I do appreciate everything you're saying. You are right, but like, I know it's all, but it's all like, you know, it's all just, just in case, isn't it? It's all in hindsight. We should have bloody had a gun so we could shoot the government. I think, I think like even five years from now, seeing what they're doing now, like this is only this is only minor shit. Like where I'm asked, you get to find seeing people getting arrested and pulled out of the fucking shops because they're refusing to get them out and people call the police and you know, like this is a small pitados. In five years time, when they're like, you can't go outside your house because you haven't got the vaccine tattoo. And you're like, well, I'm going outside. I was like, get back in your house. No, get back in your house so you're going to get shot. I'd fuck a shoot, you know, if you try and shoot me. Yeah. You're in change. You're in change during the lives of everyone. It's like, man, you're the one who's got a gun. I'm healthy. And then yeah, you're exactly where the world's going. We're all going to be chipped. And we're all, yeah, we're all. I don't think I don't think people will allow themselves to be chipped on general. Across the board. Now, man, not across the board, dude, I don't think people will. And that's when that's when you're basically facing down like stormtroopers versus the rebels, like it's fucking. Yeah, so you need guns to shoot back at the stormtroopers or else you're just going to be a fucking prisoner or shot. Or you can be Batman. You can outsmart them without guns. I don't know, man. I don't know. Bring a rock to a gun fight. It's very difficult. Yeah. I'm like, look, libdo, just know the jungle. Tell your dick up. Just no man. I'm better at booby traps than I am. Probably shoot someone man. I'll home alone. That shit. Yeah. You get the government coming over. They'll be slipping over. They'll be getting stuck on tar. They'll blow torched. I want to see. Home alone is like a kid's version of Rambo. I want to see. Yeah. I want to see that. I want to see that. I want to see that. I've grown up like a Makali Kulken who's 40 this year. I want to see a 40 year old Makali Kulken do a Rambo because they're trying to give him like a vaccination for court. Yeah. I won't be a Rambo. I'll be a, I'll be a, I'll set it up like Rambo, but I'll be more ninja. I'm like, you have to know where I am to shoot me, man. You will not know where I am, man. I'll be in the mud. I'll be like, I'll swatch it. Yeah. What's the court? You live in the dark. I was born in it. Oh, yeah. I was like, yeah. I was like, yeah. I'm trying to hide from the government. I'm trying to give you a level. I love all that. It's weird. Yeah. I do think that people have to have some way to defend themselves against the tyrannical government. They do. It's not a rare thing anymore. I mean, it's looking that way, but I just don't, I don't see how the way they're trying to control us. I mean, I know it probably will, it might get to that stage as if a wartime and then you're like, they're all screwed. They're like, what have you got? We can all, like, we've got enough ammunition for everybody. I don't know when you're talking about guns. You just go into an American accent or something. But then he, he, he sure, so many movies, so many narratives that have been put into us to tell us like, when this happens, you're going to need that shit. And if you don't have it, you're dead. If you don't mind being dead, cool. But like people are going out now, training, people are going out now getting weapons training. They're getting like survival training. People are moving from their cities, New York and LA are emptying because it's going to turn into some snake blisc and fucking, you know, escape from LA shit. Like there's, there's, there, they'll build a wall around California and I just let them go and save out of it. I'm telling you, shit's going to happen. People are moving. They're getting into fucking RVs with survival packs and buying like, you know, water tablets and, and, and those, you know, those army dehydrated meals and shit. The Mac and bunkers, the door, they're fucking getting ready. This is like cold war, fear shit. And Australia is just like, I've got a fact and tinny in a hand with some skin on it. Yeah. To defend them. If the government come down hired in Australia, there's nothing they can do to defend defend themselves. Just a bunch of farmers with rifles. That's it. We're moving out just ducking bullets, getting shit and dodging sharks, dodging bullets. You don't think Australian government are overreaching in their powers and? I mean, everyone's overreaching their powers, aren't they? A little bit, push. And for right now, I'm saying that the Australian government are particularly. Abs, from Facebook posts and that? Absolutely. You can't just part, but even like, even here, I mean, it's not as bad, but like, they want to, on the spot, find for not wearing a mask. like when you're out in the front. fresh air, not near anybody. It's like that's when it started to be like. - It's death-weight-weight. - That's like putting us on the were trying. - Yeah, getting us out of here. - They're creeping, all of those features are creeping. Like it's like this thing. And then the next thing when you've accepted that is the next level, that's the next level. If it was a husband doing a tour wife to call it an abuse of relationship. - Yeah, absolutely. - It's fucking gas-lighting. It's abuse, do you know? - Yeah. Like I was saying, I did a joke the other night. It came off the top of my head, I was talking about vaccinations on stage. And I was like, I'd be well up a vaccinate, but they don't tell you what's in it, but when they do, if half of it was volume. - You wouldn't care. - Yeah, give everyone that. And everyone was just chill out a little bit mate. But then obviously they've gone, why are you trying to get us to relax when you're trying to control me? Well, no, you know, if you had stocks in like munchies and like, and it was like 50%, volume, 55%, CBD oil, and 25% whatever kills COVID. Have that as the vaccination. And then the world would just be happy at plays, wouldn't it? - I mean, you're not right. - I'd take it. - It's to flip flop against the legalization of marijuana. That's what that is. - That's exactly what I'm getting. - Let's legalize marijuana and people are going like, "Where do legalize marijuana? Why do they want this to be so relaxed?" - Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like, oh. - The ultimate conspiracy. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. I wanted to be, yeah, actually, I did. I think I wanted to be legal, but now I'm thinking, why do you want it to be legal? - Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I think if they did legal it to be a lot more relaxed people. - Yeah. - Let's think about that. - But a two more point for you. - But if you're a farmer, yeah, you're right. Like we're just talking about drugs, but it's like farmer is the big controller, isn't it? - More mean government. - There are lots of fucking run the homeless. If they start-- - They're drug in the world now. - Yeah, when one's fell swoop. - That's it man, when they strike people, like people don't eat. You know, the farmers have more control than a lot of us think. - And the tie-in with the old Maurice, I'm trying to bait a farm, trying to bait a lamb. - Yeah, and then there's antidepressants. - Yeah, as well. - The side effects antidepressants are suicide might be one of the side effects there. - Yeah, yeah. - But that's like the many cases of that. Not like a lot of antidepressants. - More depression, probably. - The depression as well, yeah, yeah. But then to see every chemical reacts different with different people. And so it's, it can not work. It can work too much. - I want to get through these last two points. - Let's do it. - To talk about it. And we get you off the fence to see what the crack is. But I think maybe there was reports that the ferry was going to be going to the island of the dead. So I think maybe the massacre could have been planned to happen on the ferry on the island of the dead. So it's like shooting fish in a barrel. It's controlled. There's no police until the thing docks. Like you're not going to get to the police. So it would be like, you know, in the Batman over there. There's a bomb on each ferry. And you can't, you know, there's no way you need to, there were supposed to be 80 elderly American tourists on this ferry that was bringing people out to the island of the dead, which is the, the part of the tour, the historical tour of Port Actor. And they'll be able to be stopped by law enforcement. But the boat sailed late. It was supposed to go at 130. And it was changed from 130 to two. So a man brought it rocked up. He was having his lunch and he was supposed to get on to the boat with all the rest of the people with his sports bag. But it didn't happen. And he went up to the guy and asked, is the boat going to say, no, is it? Oh, okay. So he went down to the cafe. Had something and just went fuck it. I just do it here. That was, yeah. Well, it happens. Now, if it was my Aunt Bryant, let's take that universe. My Aunt Bryant comes up, is the bird going? Not going to, it's not going to, my, oh, it's about to go at 130. Ah, it's two o'clock, my. All right. Off to the cafe, eat his dinner. He's like, I'm not going to wait for the boat. No, okay, let's just do it. I remember. Because that's what the, the, the guy at the toll booth said, he's, he was asked for. He wanted to get in that boat. Yeah. And that was one of the eye. That was one of the guys. It was like, that was him. So imagine if the, if the fucking boat had taken off and he was just on it, there was nowhere to get off, to get him off. There was nowhere to get police onto it. Like some kind of fucking passenger 57 type of thing. Where you flow your plan on top of another plan and he comes, don't you? Yeah, it was a Steven Segal. He said he really liked it. Yeah, he had a lot of like, you know, a lot of, Steven Segal movie. Steven Segal, a lot of magazines about guns and a lot of action facts, but Steven Segal was the dude. I mean, why didn't he learn bloody martial arts? Under siege. Under siege. Steven Segal movie. Yeah. It's like you get out of the boat and you just be stalking from the cabin to cabin, fucking shooting all these old people. And I could go jump out of a cake. It's always the nicest boobies ever. I've ever seen. Is it Erica? Is that an I? Yeah, it's okay. Yeah. So is that an I? Baby. Yeah, because it's not one of my favorites in my Google browser. Many times. Come on, man. You should put it in the letter E and it's like, do you mean Erica? Perfect. But if I go to name, if I go to name wrong, then that's the evidence that I wasn't. Well, she wanted to go to the Baywatch. She was in Baywatch as well. I think she was the Pamela Ramson at the time. Yeah. I think Pamela wanted to take a, just took a, took a nail and you want to go over. Wapper. Wapper knockers. Let's see if I can scrounge up that clip and share it on social media or something. Yeah. That's the page three of this whole horrendous, you know, you just have the cover out pretty episode. You know, that's why page three exists, I think, because there's horrible news on the front page of the newspaper. Turn over on his boobs. Okay. The world is there are some great things about the world. The volume in the vaccine, man. Yeah. Straight. So the last point. And then we're done. This is again, and Adam Lanza type of false flag point of view. Right. The combat efficiency of Martin Bryant as a gunman on the day is on parallel. So from a report on a shared link if you want it, an alleged mass ad agent and arms expert called Joe Vialis, who was at port actor at the time of the shooting was quoted as saying on the 28th of April, 1996, a port actor in Australia, some of the best combat shooters in the world use a total of only 64 bullets to kill 35 people and wound 24 more, 22 more and crippled two cars. The first 19 victims in the broader or cafe each died from a single 5.56 male bullet to the head, all fired in less than 20 seconds from the hip of a fast moving combat shooter. So from the right hip. And as we saw in the police interview, Martin Bryant went, oh shoot like this. So if you're shooting from the hip, he'd have his left hand down by his hip shooting from his left hand because left was his trigger finger. So this guy shot from the right, uh, trigger on the right from the hip with 19 out of 19 headshots for kills from the hip. You know, fucking hard that is to do. Yeah, man. That's tough. You wouldn't even. In less than 20 seconds, think about that. Even in a second, like bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, all head shots. Like how quick is that? Like, that's unbelievable. You wouldn't do that in a computer game. That night, quasi or even. Right. So this awesome display of maximum ship was blamed on an intellectual. This is still the quote from the guy. This awesome display of maximum ship was blamed on an intellectually impaired young man called Martin Bryant who had no shooting or military experience at all. And that's a lie. He did have shooting experience, but I was just shooting, uh, wamp breaths. Uh, yeah. Like, there's a book called Deadly Deception, I poured a character that claims to prove that Martin Bryant is not responsible for the shooting. And the Alice claims, this is weird now. The Alice claims to have been there working with others. Other agents employed by the Australian government. That's what this man claims. What? There was other agents there working on behalf of the Australian government to make this situation happen. And this guy is, uh, an alleged mass ad agent. So like, could it be a global collaboration to force an international gun controls using Israeli secret services, the agents of execution in, uh, in the Commonwealth in Australian territory? I mean, it's none of those. Maybe. Do you know that fella that was killed in Iran at the start of the year? The fella that Trump rocketed to bits, uh, because, uh, and we all thought it was going to be world war tree. Everyone was like, oh my god. Oh, yeah. That was that was almost new news. New year's day or something. It was like the first bit of big news. The seventh or ninth or January or something. Right into the, it was like, oh, world war three is going to happen like already. I can't remember that guy's now. He had shame on me, but I do remember he was general something fucking. Shame on you. Shame on me. Uh, Fumitwaz, they never gonna fool me again. But this, this general, he was the leader of what was called the hook rebels, the HQ rebels. And these guys were like, um, you know, uh, the ghosts who did the Boston bombings, the, the craft internationally, you know, like a black water. It's like group of, of mercenaries and the hook rebels were fighting on Iran's behalf to, you know, get independence and make sure that they could keep control over the Iranian people. Uh, they were a hired hand, but this guy also hired at the hook rebels to go to places like, um, uh, Crimea to go to places like, uh, uh, Chechnya to go to places like North Africa to go to even South America and fight on behalf of regimes of government that want to maintain control that were allied with Iranian interests. So this guy had mercenaries for hire to hire a today and there's the totally proven, totally open, totally public. And now since his death, like, you know, has been, where I've talked to you about him now because he's dead and there's no defamatory content or whatever, right? That's a real thing. Yeah. So can you not think that massage who are involved in loads of international shit that they wouldn't take a phone call and go, come here. You got six lads to go down to make. make sure that this content goes through and they're like, "Absolutely, we really make sure that we have those guys on call, not problem done." - Okay, but can you all dress like a surfy dude in a coat? - Have you got any white guys up here in the last hour? - Yeah. - It's pretty hard to find. - Any without acne? - It did not have to be Israeli even. It's just, these guys are, this guy is a max when he shot from the right hand side, which is opposite to what Martin Bryant was, like proven on camera, seeing him with my eyes. So like from the right hip, such a mad accuracy, same as Adam Lanza, dropping in like 92% accuracy with like hundreds of shots into little children's bodies. Like there's so many shots, you're like, there's not even enough area on a child's body to get 20 bullets into them. Like you'd want to start like five in each arm, or five in each arm, five in each leg, or whatever. Like there's not enough play assist to shoot the child with that powerful of a rifle, or they'd come in a parent like a bag of ragu sauce. So like this fucking accuracy that Martin Bryant had is too much man, unless he's like phenomenal at my ex-man, which he's not. - Well, maybe, it's the Lee Harvey Oswald argument, you know, like did Cody fire off or shot the kill JFK in time? - Mm. - I don't know. - Yeah, but what do you think of that? - I don't know, 'cause there's just, there's gaps in there. I'm just thinking of the eye witnesses right into the teletruth. Some of them that you would have seen witnesses like they're pretty, like the ones that saw the mother and the two daughters and you shot and all that. You can tell they saw it and, you know, they didn't identify it in the video that we saw that it was actually him, but they said it was, you know. - A guy who looked like that. - He looked like that. - He looked like, so it was either Martin Bryant or someone who looked just like him. - And when Sean the thing on the paper, the next day, the one then, and then they were like interviewed by police, like it was like the thing happened front page of the paper, Martin Bryant. - Then to do the interviews and then I was like, yeah, it's whoever was on the paper. Like, yeah, but then, they pin it on him so they Martin is in on it. He's like, and then how many dudes is there just one guy? And then he's like, okay, I'll do there to there. You do there to there. Like none of the eyewitnesses said there was more than one. - So which is okay, there had multiple versions of Lee Harvey as well as well. The guy that went to kill Tibber, the guy that was in there that was driving the car, the guy that was in the building. He was seen all over Dallas that day in loads of different way. And the descriptions from like five foot six to six foot one, you know, loads of versions of Lee Harvey as well. Like it could be. I'm not saying, yeah, I don't believe it 100%, but there's definitely something stinks about how accurate this guy was and how, - What's up smells? - How well he was able to execute all of those maneuvers without being taken down or shot, even though he's like mentally feeble. - Yeah, but then this is the other thing right. If there was an actual military marksman there and like why more people would have got shot. Because there was 60 people there. And he got 20 something like, they would have got more if he was an expert. He would have got everybody. - No one was a fast runner. - But the need to witness is to tell the story, Dhamma. - Yeah, so they would have left a few. Like I just think, I just think, even the Vikings used to leave one person alive to tell the story. - Oh yeah. - Go run to the next village and tell them. We are coming. - Yeah. - Ragnar Lovebrook. - Like I'm going, I'm still going to face failure. It does stink and I wouldn't be surprised if someone goes, I know, look at this footage that just came out. I'll be like, yeah, yeah, yeah, fair enough. - So final words, because we kind of done the analysis or the off defense as we went along. It's the final thing. All the stuff I just told you there now, between the police being called away from the area, between the martyry truck, between the false reports or possibly false reports from the highway that's against it, don't match up the acne and stuff like that. No identification, no empirical or physical DNA evidence, even though there was opportunity to get loads. The paper and interfering with the people's perception of who the shooter was by giving them the mountain Brian picture in the front of the paper, the cops being not present there for hours after for the mountains and the woman that was running around the place, the drill gun life situation with the people who were there, the doctors were there at the seminar and the reporters who were there from all around the world right back on time together and the accuracy with which he was able to discharge his weapon, all of that together. That's a pretty solid case for a definite conspiracy. Do you think it happened the way they say it happened and it was the truth? Or now after this, do you think there's something fishy and what they say is the official story is absolutely not what happened? - Still from that all that? - Yeah. - I just still think it was him. I think it just got. - No, it just ran up. - Well, look, I usually think that the easiest answer is probably it. And like, I know there's a lot of, I mean, when you pull back and go, "Well, they were there, and they were there." And they were like, "We're filling in gaps, but I just keep thinking about it." And like, what they probably targeted me to feel like the killing the kids, and you see them in the interview, and like, even if you were trained, they didn't have to. They didn't say, "Get these people in order. "Do that and do that." And you know, you could hire in marksman. There was no, unless they looked exactly like him, and they were never seeing it at the same spot at the same time. Two shaggies from Scooby Doo wanted to run him out. No, I reckon it was just him, and it was just like they were there. They're just sitting there, they're not moving, did they just walk around? Like, there's people that survived. And like, if there were, if he was better at shooting, there wouldn't have been that many people that survived. - That's not the only reason you think that there couldn't have been a professional shooter that he would have shot everyone. 'Cause you need witnesses to tell the story, you see? - Yeah, that's true. But I just don't like, well, unless they're really good at hiding all the witnesses. I mean, I'm, I'm, I'm wrecked. I'm, I'm thinking right, with all the funerals and all the things and all the people that survived it, they would have been talking to themselves. And if they would have, if they would have convinced everyone to go on, no, it was another shooter. I reckon they got together and go, "No, we were all there we saw, and it wasn't." - But there is something massively fishy online about it, there's a lot of people who do it. - There's nothing has been answered for sure. And that's why I'm still, I'm still, until I've seen, I mean, these are all great cases. And in court, which you probably should have gone to court, 100%. - Like there was, what was his genre, every wasn't there? - He's Stephen Avery. - Steve. There was a, he was just like, when, when in that interview, when he met Martin and he's gone, did he do it? And he's like, "I didn't really do it." And he's like, "No, I spoke shit." Come on. He's like, "Tell me what happened." - But watch the interview. - Watch the interview. It's very Brendan Dassy, like they're telling him what to do and they're saying, he's laughing the whole time. And he doesn't really realize that the serious, I don't think he knows that I, he went wrong or that really happened, that it's kind of like a game. He's laughing like I said earlier on, he's kind of like socially, you know, not able. So whenever someone says something, he doesn't understand, he's like, (laughs) Yeah, yeah, mate. It's like, so you did kill him. - Yeah. - Oh, I mean, what, wait, what? - Yeah. - He doesn't really know what the fuck is going on. And here's the stinger. His lawyer, watch that documentary. His lawyer is a fucking bastard. - He's a mother fucker. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. He embezzled, didn't he? - He has a half a million from his company. - For artwork. - For artwork as a fucking. - So was that porn? - Was that something odd? - There's something weird with that artwork, right? - Yeah, man. - And he fucking made Martin plea guilty. Martin went up on court first and said, "No guilty, I didn't do it." And your man came up and went, "No, you did do it." And you're gonna plea guilty. 'Cause if you don't plead guilty, they have no evidence to fucking put you away. So he plea guilty or not. Like that's, he forced them. His defense lawyer forced. And then in the interview was like, "I couldn't let him go." Like I couldn't not make him say guilty because like he did that shit and he'd be out in the public and he could do it again. But that's not the job of your defense lawyer. Your defense lawyer is to defend you no matter what. And this lad made a moral choice to tank the case and make his client plea guilty. And then was proven afterwards to be a shister fuckface who embezzles money from his own company and probably does a whole load of other shady shit because if we're to smoke this fire, he's, you know, he's disbared and everything like that. Surely just should have been some kind of thing where they go back to the case and go, come here, the lawyer, the man Brian had wasn't working and his best interest, can we somehow get some appeal or some retrial to have a look at this? 'Cause this lad is obviously shady, didn't do his job right. Totally that should. Totally that should, but they won't, because then they'll have to get all the guns back. Oh yeah. It was a catalyst to get rid of the guns in Australia and it worked flawlessly. But there's no evidence on Martin Brian's guilt except for his own admission of guilt, which was forced on him by a shady lawyer. And they caught him on one of the problems. I know. (laughing) And they saw the court and read handed, but apart from that. Not read handed, but like he was there in the building as it was on fire and the fire destroyed any evidence of what happened. He did buy a lighter. There was ketchup on the scene. Yeah. I mean, it's also a constant. It smells the high heaven from me anyway and for all the people that requested it, like presume that's the fucking, that's the juice that you wanted from me to say, yeah, when you look into it, even below the surface, scratch below the surface, there's a lot of fucking shady shit. And then as much as you're an every man and a believer, like you have to say, even if you do believe that was Martin Brian, there is a lot of shady shit going on here. And I would, like if I was really honest, I would love for it to be more than that. I would hate to think that, you know, like something that happens so bad, you'd want it to be something bigger than just one, one lunatic. - One lunatic. Yeah, you'd want, you're like, why do these people die for nothing? Like, I'd want it to be, yeah, I'd like, I want it to be like a huge government conspiracy. That's what I want. Yeah. But like, and there's a great case, but we need to see, we need to find out. You know, you need to dig if you've got a solid something about all of those. I don't know. That's probably solid in itself. But then like already there should be taken about and giving me trial already just on that. The trial is like, but they could reason the doubt. If you can put reasonable days into it and there's fucking planted air for reasonable day. Yeah, totally. Yeah. I mean, I still think it's probably just, but I just think it was just the kiss. Cause I mean, it was just the way you just flew through it. It was horrible as that sense to say. Yeah. Like, is makes more sense than like the every all the organization around that would be and nothing is leaked from any of that or nothing. You know, that's so much to organize. Yeah. I mean, you know, the same thing on the conspiracy just so many people need to organize all that. Yeah. Same as that. Or one nut job who just hated wasps. Are because the people were all like organized like six really highly trained operatives and handlers to be able to make sure that the public react in the way that they're primed to react that the, you know, like why did the boat and I go to? Yeah, that's weird. Is there like a Moss ad agent putting like on screw and something so the boat wouldn't stare at her? You know what I mean? Like there's so many inconsistencies. And not least of which the lack of DNA evidence. Yeah. You know, if they went to trial, I say, I mean, it would have been there would have been some, some, some justice for some of the survivors and the families. But like then the other side of that was like, you hear that? Well, I don't want to put them through all that with the, the, the, the, but I mean, I think for them for closure and other stuff, just to, you know, yeah, you have to, it would just make sense. Just the more transparency everything has, then everyone could go, well, look, we all can say we're all in the same journey together instead of some getting a bit of this and a bit of that and a bit of the same thing. It's easier to see the big picture if you're willing to share. Yeah. Yeah. Totally. What do you think of before we go in there? What do you think of Helen Hallbart and Matt Bryan's relationship weird? Oh, totally, but it's a perfect match because like who was it? I can't remember who was the comedian, but like there was, you get a horny, nine year old and a woman's staff for attention in their like 50s. And that's, that's about the, that's the sexual chemistry you need. Not that there was any sexual thing that was like, we don't know. But just enough to spark a little, like just interesting each other at first. Cougar, shit. Yeah. Yeah, Cougar stuff on her part. He wants to tension. He wants his like power. This is Robyn. So you were trying to seduce me. It's something like, yeah, man, totally. And then like, she, you know, it's just, you can just picture like everyone is happy or like, I got like out of naked gun. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's something good. And then like they're like driving around steering all over the road crazily and throwing caps at each other and dogs are back and then, you know, the old ladies rocking on the chair going, strap, making all that noise. When they go on holiday to another hotel, she's like, I can't, come if I can't smell cat piss. Yeah. Get the vapor. Yeah. And then like, you know, piss, and there's spoon hurting each other, like dressed in like velvet and like restaurants. It just seemed like, yeah, it's weird. It, it, it like from what we know. I mean, it's a shit. Yeah. It like, it put like friendship made in heaven. I think he, I think he, I think he'd probably killed it. But he was like, oh, I think you might, I think I made a killer in the car. Yeah. Accident. I thought what do you think? But the dad, like that was just suicides. I reckon he chopped himself up. Topped himself. There's no, no, she not against. There was probably a coup d'avage in anagins, but I think he was, he was just deep janitor, his own depression. I think that was like, I like it. I'd also know who bought the, the fire, though. I'd also know who bought that firem after. Yeah. For 150K. Yeah. And yeah, the ones that now, I mean, there's something maybe in that that someone's like, well, look at the dad's going to live on that firem, unless we get rid of them. We got to get rid of them and buy the fireman, give the money to Martin. Where did Martin's millions go? Like where did all this money? That money, like where does that, who's in charge of that money? Is that going to his mom? Who's in charge of it? And we didn't talk about the mad, she fucking loves him and she'd defend them to high heaven. Oh, yeah, because she's a man. She's a proper cop. Yeah, he said he wasn't there. Yeah. But like you said it, didn't he? It could be, it should be right. Well, I mean, I can't, I'm kind of leaning towards like, you always going to believe in the question and against. You're always going to believe you. You're always going to believe your kid is like, it's not, it's, it's not her fault. But then if she didn't give birth to me, what happened? But I mean, you know, it was, but it wasn't, but you shouldn't have given it. You don't give anyone a gun when they're teenager. Now probably know, but it was a different time, right? Different time. I mean, yeah, like my parents did, but I mean, like, I never, I never see, I never seen a gone in Poghwal summer. Poghwal summer. Oh, what the, what's that one? I remember the Blondie kid, they played guitar and he had his girlfriend, Jenny and the Lisa Sing song. What was that? I was thinking of my secret values. I know a valley. I know a valley. That was the biggest Australian thing at the time. No, this was Australian, but it was one of those shows that Australians didn't watch. They just made it for other countries. Export like Foster's just export. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Poghwal summer. It was a, yeah, 90s classic, but there was no guns in it. No. Just guitars and good love. I have to watch it again, man. I'm just getting flashback to even saying Poghwal summer. He was like an Australian Zach Morris from Save By The Bell, you know? I used to talk to the camera the whole time, break the fort wall. Oh, that sort of makes you puke a little bit. Yeah, you'd need a gun for that. Yeah. That's the thing. But I never saw, like I never associated Australia with gun culture. And until looking this up, I didn't think I did know how deep it went. So for the last part, then I would finish season of the guns, good thing, bad thing. Taking the guns off Australians, good things are bad things. Well, from what I can say, a lot of, a lot of people were okay, giving them up. And the fact that there hasn't been any mass shootings that we know of since I think it's good. I mean, people really want guns and need guns. They'll get guns. Yeah. And everyone else legal. And this is the other thing. If you have a gun in the house, you're going to be thinking about guns a lot. If you don't have a gun, you just don't think about it. You just don't even think you need one. It's like a dildo or whatever. Pretty much. If you had a dildo, I think about all the time. Yeah. Where's the dildo? Like there's their batteries in the dildo. Yeah. Is it ready? Can I use it whenever one, or if someone comes in. Do they wash it? How quick going to get it? Yeah. But I think if you don't have it, you just think about it. If someone comes into the house, how quick are they going to get it? Yeah. But like you know, bowling, the golem, and like the cartoon that they had depicted, like everyone in America is just like scared that everyone's going to get them and they're holding on to guns. I'm just not really like scared. I'm scared of ghosts. I'm scared of ghosts and you can't shoot that. You can't shoot ghosts. You need a proton pack. Exactly. And I have one. We'll have bands on a proton pack. I have a proton pack. And it goes to proton pack by back. Yeah. It's a 20/20. I get that it depends what you're scared of. If you're scared of people and the government or baddies coming in and taking a family, you're going to get a gun. If you're scared of other things, like you know, not being able to pay your rent, you don't need a gun as much. Just get the jar. Yeah. Unless you get a gun and rubber bank. Get a gun and rubber bank. You're in rubber bank. But yeah, I think it is about fear and safety and all that sort of stuff. And I think most people, if you're. If your surroundings are quite safe, if you're in Dublin, lots of match it happens, but most of the time it's fine. Unless your dealing drugs are fucking around with the round. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're all right. You can do it. You can do it with your, we could do with 50 coughs only. Yeah. I could get shot when I'm walking out this front door. Hoping I was push. I could do it. Yeah, yeah, of course. But I mean, like if I had a gun on me, it wouldn't have stopped me being shot because I'm not. You know, I know. I know. If someone's prepared to do it. Yeah, I get you. I get you. I think the guns are going to play a big part in the future of how American politics play out definitely. And from the last reports of the last few weeks in Australia, I think there are going to be freedom issues in Australia over the next months and years, man, especially with vaccines and stuff coming down the line. It's coming out like it. I don't want to like do doomsay and be all like, oh, civil war is coming to us all, but there's definitely some shit going down. Stuff's bubbling there and people are dead by a lot of questions. And we should be. We should take like, I know I was face value guy, but we shouldn't. I get any face value if they tell you question everything and then it could be right. It could be wrong. It could be just don't know. And everyone's coming from a different angle as well. And if you grew up the same, if you disagree with someone, but you grew up where they grew up, how they grew up, you might be a group on their side. Yeah. Because we only know Aaron, do you any of them? That's the thing. Like I don't know. Not the boat being an American or being an Australian. Only from what I read and sure while I read, I know it was 100% skewed because it's coming from a place where people are trying to keep your attention for money. So like, you know, you can't, you have to, this is really check your sources time. 2020, like that's the motto of those conspiracy guys, check your sources of, I've been doing this since the start. Like the information that you get and might feel nice going in to your head and coming out of your mouth, but where did it come from? It's like food, man. Like McDonald's taste nice, but it makes you a fat cunt. Yeah, where does it come from? So did I call the company beef? So they could say it was 100% beef, but it's not a beef, you know that, you know that. So they can say that. But as far, like with the Australian American thing, I know we've gone over and this isn't my place to say it all, but you know, we can only give it for what, like, there's similar size countries like America is a bit bigger, but the huge population is way less than Australia, but it's a lot, a lot of rule, a lot of all that. But and we've got, and we've ruined the indigenous people with us coming in. Or the imperialist part of a gen, taking classes like this and stuff like that. Yeah, the Aboriginal people rule in their, you know, rule in their life, rule in their diet, all that stuff, white guilt, totally man, because we should have guilt because we took their land, man. But it's not as extreme in all cases. I say we, it wasn't me, personally. And like, it's not as extreme in all cases though, on all of those things that you mentioned, in Australia, it's almost like 60% of why the Americans did or how the Americans feel about it. So it is a similar culture, a similar history, but not as strong in Australia. Yeah, but we didn't have a civil war like America. That's the thing, yeah. And as well. So the civil was a big thing with weapons because you know, they were at war and you feel have the, and all the individual states. they were like a lot of them didn't agree. Yeah. But then slaves. Yeah. So I'm like, imagine like when that must have been it, that I think that's got to play part in the Gantz. We didn't have like slaves as such in Australia, like the way America did. Yeah. So say you've, you know, and now they're okay to, you know, now they've been released and they're there. And you're like, I'm scared now. They might, they might, they might react badly. To what we've done to them. And then, and you've been making them work in the fields. They're all ripped. Of course. You've, you've, you've destroyed their lives and families and tortured them and all that. And then so you've been like, I need to get a gun. But it's changed from a race. That's, I understand that's a race-based argument. But it's changed from just race into class, where the poor people are going to retaliate. The poor and middle class are going to retaliate and revolt against the upper class. And that's always been the fear of any ruling class. Because ruling class is always the upper class. Yeah. And it's usually more of the working class. Of course. There's always more. Because we're working. Things need to be done. That's what they had in revolutionary Russia. In 1905, 1913, like they were afraid of the, the Bolsheviks. They were afraid of the, the, the masses, the hodl of the masses. As soon as they turned, it was fucking ended, ended in monarchy. Yeah. And then they were just replaced with another monochistic ideology and they were, and they worshiped Lenin like a god. But similar is trying to be done in America where they're trying to, you know, turn into a communist state and be able to have full control over the people, big governments in hands in your pockets, like making you do everything. Control is the biggest currency of all, you know? Yeah, for sure. And that's anyone in any, any position of power. Control all the way. Control all the way. And they're afraid of the people going, actually, I don't want to be controlled. Actually, we all don't want to be controlled. So fuck that shit. And we have better guns than you. And we've been training every day. But if they haven't got guns and haven't been trained and they have to abide with law and the government have police and army to do their bidding. So I think like, haven't guns is probably a good thing right about now. So you since, and in the last six months in Corona, gun sales in America have ballooned, like a huge amount. Because people are going, if there's roving gangs of, you know, anarchistic, fandal protesters burning downtowns and cities and businesses, I want to be able to have a gun to defend myself. And that's a totally logical, logical step. We've seen the rights what's going on over there. If you weren't, if you weren't armed and ready, like anyone could just burst through your, your window, your door, your gun. Your eyes is what, what have you got? Everything you've ever worked for is gone. Family's gone. Family could be gone. Yeah, like fuck that shit, man. Yeah, yeah. It's got to be all or nothing like it. I think so. And that brings us to the end of this episode. It was a long one. I didn't expect it to go so long, but you know why I fucking, it was quite a big story and there was a lot of mesh on the bones. I like to talk about that. I mean a lot there. A lot of lives. A lot of the other stuff there. Yeah, and then gun control, lots of cats. I mean, there's a lot of. So many tangents got pulled down. But it's one of those things where you have to kind of discuss it all the way out. And I'm glad, Dei Mothang's pretty much just sticking around and taking it all the way to the base. Pleasure, Gordo. Yeah, man. Pleasure. And it's still open, man. We're still looking. We're still going to. I mean, it's not over. Yes, not over from out and running. It's still low. It's 50 odd, 53 years of age, something like that. That's why that's why it's good. They still love you know, because we can still live. Pull them out like an effort, special going pull them out. I can see it happening, especially with what's going on Australia at the moment. It's not going to do nothing but escalate ads. That's a fact. So at the end of this episode of those conspiracy guys, we were talking about Martin Bryant and the port actor massacre. 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I mean, if you're in and around Dublin, it's like prohibition comedy, but it's all saved. He's all regulations all sort of like spread out to 50 people instead of 150. And it's a wild duck comedy club. But all the links will be on my, my Instagram Facebook and that anyway. At Damien Clark, but it's at the moment, the first Thursday of every month. And it's soon to go weekly, I think December. It'll be weekly. We get details that you can keep up with us the years. There's months, weeks and years going on. Yeah, but keep an eye on it. Oh, yeah, we just want to YouTube channel for all for more clips and stitches in stitches. You know it. So I go the full channel, subscribe to in stitches channel just for just content, just like comedy stuff. My close. It's only like the Irish version of Kevin Hart's YouTube channel. He has all the different show and sketches. Yeah, I hope so, man. Yeah, man. So we're putting all like all the stuff that mean all the comedians, maybe even from this coming up, like whatever it's all gone. It's all gone through the in stitches channels. Savage. And that's another source as well. Yeah, it is in stitches channel. So everything that Daniels mentioned and stuff, these probably forgotten that they tell me in text messages over the comment days. Yeah, I'm going to put the links for everything in description below. All at least we do say thanks to Daniel for joining us. Thanks very much, man. Oh, cheers. Thanks everyone. Do you have me wherever? And if you have any more evidence. And Martin, if you're watching, like, re-choice. Let's see what happens. We didn't exercise. My mom's worried about it. It's not. It's not easy, man. Being in prison probably. It's not easy, man, being in prison probably. It's not easy. Not a lot of exercise. I wouldn't say. Not a lot. But all that leaves me to do is say thanks to Damo for sticking around for this show. That's been those conspiracy guys for this time. My name's Gordo. I'm Diamar. Diaming Clash. Damian Clack. And we'll see you next time. Thanks. Bye-bye.