The Players We Can’t Wait to See on New Teams. Plus, Which Star Will Finally Get a Ring?

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Every single member of the family hates each other. Every single one. There's like 17, because it's exponential when you have six people in the family. The baby's sick, so everybody hates her, and she hates everybody. Everybody else hates her. So we haven't even gotten to RV week yet. And it's a disaster. No, RV week is next week. It's a disaster already. The Jacoby. The Jacoby family trip is off to a horrible start. It can only get worse or better. I mean, oh, my God. Now I understand why you've been at that studio for three hours. I might stop the RV and just get out and just walk away. Just be like, you guys figure it out. A 13-year-old can probably drive. I said, hey, man, we're recording at night. You're like, I'm already at the studio. I was like, oh, boy. I got to prep for the show. I take the show very seriously. Got to prep. Oh, yeah. All right. We have had news since we last spoke. So we've got some former stars that are now moving places. First, Klay Thompson is going to be playing with the Miami Heat, along with Giannis down in Miami. Two years, $11.5 million. Got a buyout with the Dallas Mavericks. Do we like the fit for Klay Thompson in Miami? Once upon a time, seemed like we were going to think, like maybe he could be the Ray Allen role on that old. Miami Heat team. Maybe that was the portion of his career he's going into. I guess he'll have a chance in that uniform. I love the price if I'm the Heat. And I love the role if I'm Klay Thompson. This is a win-win from everybody. You know, I think that he signed up to go to the Mavs to, you know, hit corner threes and wing threes that Luka Doncic just handed him. You know what I mean? And obviously, we know what happened from there. So I feel like this is a win-win for everybody. I do like the fit in that sense. You know, I always wonder, like, how much did he get in the buyout? He's willing to take this. And I looked up his stats. Like, he shot. He shot 39% almost from three last year. He's going to be able to hit threes until he's 90 years old. If Bam and Giannis are on the court at the same time, you're going to need some shooting. Oh, yeah. And especially, like, I mean, they got some. They got some. Bobby Portis is there. Also, Tim Hardaway Jr. can knock down threes. Hell, yeah. And space the floor, right? Oh, no. This is just drive and kick to old guys that can knock down open threes. Yeah. And since they shot a three, they can get back on defense in time. They've got, like, I think it's the numbers I don't have in front of you. I saw some stat where it's like they got, like, four guys that have shot 40%. Yeah. Super slow time of the year. So we are going to take on as much news as we possibly can. One by one by one by one. The next one. DeMar DeRozan to Denver. I don't think this quelled any kind of upset feelings that a Nuggets fan would have about losing Peyton Watson. But it did kind of come back to. It was like, here's the Peyton Watson five-team trade. And then, like, a day later, it was like, oh, yeah, we shot DeMar DeRozan one year, $3.5 million. And DeMar DeRozan, again, another guy, you still get a bucket. I just don't know how this really fits with the Jokic spacing. Yeah. All right. Let me ask you a follow-up question to that. DeMar DeRozan can definitely get a bucket. He's 18.4 points per game last season. But how does DeMar DeRozan get those buckets? I mean. Usually, he's a mid-range assassin. And he dribbled it a couple times. He caught it. He works his man. And he gets a pull-up, and he hits it. I mean, he shot his best true shooting of his career last year. I just don't know how that works in a Denver offense. Now, the other thing is, he's been on these rat Sacramento teams. So, if he's still got juice left, you might get the better and best version of him. He has now played with a lot of different players in a lot of different. Scenarios and systems. So, I am more. I lean more towards the, especially the older player that is still wanting to play, can adjust. And he'll figure out how to be effective with Denver. And the price. I mean, this is nothing. That's the thing. It's really what it is. It's value. This is like. Yes. A lot of stores I go to. Rag and Bone is an example, right? I like their clothing. Yep. When I walk in that store, I find the first person I can find that works there. Yep. And I ask them if they work there. Because I've made the mistake before. So, I ask them if they work there. And I say, where is the sale rack? And I go to the sale rack. And that's the only place I shop. Because everything else is just too expensive. There's no value. And I feel like, at this price, DeMar DeRozan, at $3.9 million, is much better value than Peyton Watson at $20-whatever. Well, and also, you just need to have a release valve for the other two. You know, that's where they really missed the Porter thing last year. Obviously, Gordon had his, you know, his injury problems or whatever. But it's like, you got to have another guy that can go get you a reliable bucket. And in the absence of Michael Porter Jr., you know, there's so much that is just put on it. It's Murray Jokic, Murray Jokic. Okay, who's the other guy that can get me a bucket? I'm at least confident that DeRozan's the kind of guy that is another guy that can get you a bucket if you need it. I mean, how many games, more regular season than playoffs, have you seen the Murray, Murray Jokic pick and roll just absolutely sing in the first half? And the coaches go in and they make adjustments and have to like, we're throwing four people at this thing. And then, then that's when it's going to be like, all right, DeMar, you're going to have seven feet of base when you catch the ball. You're not going to shoot a three because you're not good at it, but you can get yourself a mid-range base in that space and your abilities. I could see that one working out. Honestly, I could see DeMar DeRozan being better than what I think people's expectation is so low about what, you know, what his fit is. And obviously the bigger story is, are they giving Jokic a chance to win during these prime years, which is a story that goes, it's going to go on everywhere. I mean, it feels like all of these teams have a very finite window to be able to, you know, achieve the highest levels. And then they end up having to pay everybody and then we move on and now it's just hard. It's hard. I think a lot of the blame has people point at the front office and the move they made, but really it comes down to sort of like health and fit. And we all thought that Cam Johnson would fit better. Like put yourself a year ago today. Didn't you think Cam Johnson would fit better than he did last season? And Aaron Gordon, like when he is healthy, like that Murray Jokic pick and roll with him in the dunker spot. We've seen it be successful for year after year after year. He just wasn't available. Outstanding player who is a perfect fit with them and was not available. You're right. The Wolves had an ownership change. I mean, this has been the weirdest summer. And when that one came down, I was like, what, what is going on? Mark's dad, who is buying into the Timberwolves as the majority owner and is buying Mark Loray's stake in the team. Mark Loray, who is now going to focus on his own company while still holding a minority stake. A-Rod is bumping up his stake in the team, but this guy is going to be the majority owner of both. The Wolves and the Lynx and the Lynx are like the best team in the WNBA and the Wolves, you know, have Anthony Edwards and have now LaMelo Ball on their team. When this came down, the first thing was the Lakers just went for 12.5 and this one was just valued at 4.5. So that's pretty big gulf between those. But more importantly, you know, I was. was I was covering the Grizzlies wolves playoff series a couple of years back when all that Glenn Taylor crap was going down and Jonathan Krasinski was covering it. And, you know, Laurie and a rod were at the games, but Glenn Taylor was at the games and then Glenn Taylor tried to get, you know, ended up taking them like there was lawsuits and arbitration and all this stuff that will try to do anything he could to get out of that deal that he had signed with them to sell the team when he finally found a buyer, finally sold the team. And then valuations of these teams went to the moon and he was like, no, no, no, no, no, no. I went back and look to Kobe that deal, which ended up being constituted in June of 2025. Okay. Wow. So that is a little over a year ago. It was the first headline. I, I mean, it took like three or four years. It 1.5 billion. But just imagine wrestling this thing for what, what is it? Three years. And then a year later being like, yeah, I'm out. Well, it's another crazy flip. Like we were used to flip this house. Like this is flipped. It's NBA team. The guy got in for a 1.5 valuation. And a year later, he's like, all right, you know what? I still have a part in it. Cause it's fun. But like, nah, I'll go ahead and sell my part at a 4.5 billion valuation. There's a, I mean, sometimes I was talking to a friend of mine, shout to Dietrich and I was like the last few weeks I've been talking about sovereign funds and public equity and sort of insurance companies. And I invested 2 billion into myself and only only declare that. But I actually, it was like, you know what? I enjoy basketball. I know. I know. I like basketball. It's just like, you know what? Let's just move on. If you want, this isn't the financial times. This is the mismatch. Like, well, okay. All right. Hold on. I'm just going to spin this into the reason this matters for basketball is because what we talked about with Dan Wikey with the Lakers, you're seeing it now with Portland. And then this is the great unknown with what this guy is going to be in Minnesota. Is this the guy that's like, I don't care about the tax. I'm trying to win it all costs because it did. It seemed like Laurie and a rod, you know, this is why they moved off of towns. This is why the keel Alexander Walker left or whatever. They were attempting to be much more fiscally responsible and not be paying out. And so we'll feed, we'll see what kind of owner this guy is, but honestly, it may determine whether or not we ever see Anthony Edwards in a finals or not. Yeah. And we'll talk about lamella later, but what they did say is that Tim Connolly staying Matt Lloyd, saying Chris Finch is staying right. And one thing I found interesting is, is where is it? Stads wife, Elisa status expected to become the Timberwolves governor. I don't know what that means, but shot to her. I mean, she's the most powerful person in the organization. This is the, the genie bus roll. Yeah. Good for her. I good for her. I know nothing about her. So here's a basketball story. Horrible news for the port of the trailblazers. The aforementioned with losing Shaden sharp for six months, like, nothing is worse than losing a player for six months in August. Yeah, of course. Like, I mean, he didn't even, he didn't even get to start the season. And then you find out one of your best players is out for six months. You know, we haven't even gotten a training camp. If you've been paying attention to Shaden sharp, he's a very athletic, high ceiling potential player. And like even this deep in his career, which is what three or four years. It's like, I still can see him sort of putting it together with the right situation. I can see him taking a leap. And I, I feel like this is one of those. It's been that way for a couple of years, but it feels like if he just put it together for a year, he is a big contractor, a big good situation waiting for him. And the, this setback will set that back even further. That's the part. It's like, it's not just getting hurt. That's awful for any basketball player, but it's someone in sort of a pivotal point in their career that they have something to prove. It's even worse. Also at best, a team that is more than likely trying to, to compete for a play in spot. Like they are certainly. Yeah. And, and, and this is a, a major blow. I mean, Dame and drew are there. So it's not like some like huge hole that need to fill in the roster rotation, but I, I liked the, I just, there are moments last year when he really played well, though. I mean, it is a mess. You're going to have to, they're going to have to flip one of these guys and get some wings there now. Cause if you know, that is the one shot, you know, I guess silver lining is, is when a stuff like this happens, you, you can at least address it, right? You get into the season. It's like, okay, we're not going to have a small forward for six months. We better figure this out. Cause Jeremy grants now with the Grizzlies too. And Shaden sharps now out for six months. So it's like, I'm just saying they don't have, because I'm wondering what percentage of our audience is just like, wait, Jeremy grants with the Grizzlies. Yeah. Well, and Matisse, Matisse, Diable's a Laker. I love it. I mean, they don't, I'm saying they don't have, like, it's like, that's a lot, a lot of Camara. I love Camara and, and a bunch of little guards, but you're not, you give it to Shane sharp for seven, seven seconds left in the shot. Clock is different than giving it to Camara. Hey, you know what? He should just do the, it's look, the guy's on a one-year contract anyway, who gives a shit? Do the old J right Villanova for guard thing, you know, Scotty Reynolds and Alan Ray and that crew just go scoot, drew jaw, Dame time Lord, and just change, the league just go or why I'm so excited for him. Mike and Nori press conferences. He's so entertaining. Oh yes. He'll sign a one-year deal and be like, you know what? If I get screwed by this new owner, there is a broadcast job just waiting for me. Well, the other thing is there's also a assistant coach job available for him anywhere. She might make more money broadcasting. My name. Oh yes. He will. No, I'm saying this year, like he's, he's like a mismatch listener name now, but I think this year, Mike and Nori. Yeah. He'll go viral a couple of times and they'll catch, they'll catch the eye of the executives. And if, if it really does go South, he doesn't get another deal. He'll be, he'll be right on that Amazon desk. Yeah. I mean, yeah, they put on a, what's his day? The ESPN put on, what's the guy's name? Michael Malone. No, no, no, no. They're flamed out with the jets. The Belichick guy. Oh, Eric, Eric something. What was that guy's name? Man. Genius. No. Who are you talking about? Yeah. Man. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Man. Genius. Yeah. He's now on Fox sports on first is first with our friends, Nick Wright and Chris Boussard, Kevin Wiles. I'm saying they put him on like right out. I mean, he's just the jets. Right. But I mean, like we all knew about him and it was like, yeah, but I mean, they did not go back to the NBA or get to go back to the NFL. Right. He just ended up becoming a broadcaster as well. Kind of a gruff guy. Just like, just like this Mike and Nori. Right. Like kind of a matter of fact, kind of individual. All right. Got a bunch of stuff to get to players that we are most looking forward to seeing in a new uniform. So we're breaking this down. We're each going to pick a star, a role player, a one star. And I still believe in them player. I just want to set this up for our audience and on our text between Verno and Jacoby, I said to him, I was like, we have stacked a 90 minute show, but we have to make this a 45 minute show. So this is going to be a fast paced, cover a lot of ground move. Yes. Okay. I just want to let our audience know where I'm at. He's warning. He's warning me. This is, this is him warning me. No, I said that. He said, like, let's, let's do this quickly. And I said, I can do it. Can you do it? And you don't believe in me, man. I do believe in you. You're a veteran broadcaster. No, you don't, you don't believe in me. You've been broadcasting for 55 years. I just, I just want you to believe in me, bro. I can do this. The answer is Giannis. And if you have a different answer, you're wrong. Yeah. We, we, I've only ever seen Giannis playing for Milwaukee in a buck's uniform. Giannis with the heat now. And if the indication is that since the beginning of time, if you have a top five player on your team, you've got a chance to win at the absolute highest level. We all know his supporting cast stunk in Milwaukee. The last couple of years, this supporting cast is underrated. This was supporting. If people have devalued, this supporting cast that he's going to have in Miami. And I do think he'll be, he can win. And I think he will quickly remind people that when you've got one of the five best players in the world, you've got a chance. Yes. And I think that I believe in, I won't say heat culture. I believe in the infrastructure of the front office. I believe in Spolstra. They figured out a lot of puzzles in the past, and this is a puzzle to figure out, especially when you have, it's a four mentioned BAM and Giannis on the floor, but there are guys on the, on in the rotation that can hit stitch, catch a two threes, plenty of them. And, you know, and I love off night and I didn't pick Giannis because I knew you would pick Giannis. And I knew you would go first. This is a gentleman that I picked the star. Most excited to see in a different uniform is someone that I've loved two years before, three years before he was drafted. It's obviously LaMelo ball for me because I mean, he just, when you see that LaMelo ball is playing on, league pass, it's hard for me to not click on it. It's just hard. I love watching him play basketball is he the most efficient player does he make the best decisions is it do I want him on my team is he if I'm a coach do I want to play for me I don't know on all of those but as a fan watching my television on my couch I love watching it and something about the duo of him and Anthony Edwards is just so enticing to me that I if I see that Timberwolves logo click it on also the amount of times that they will you know as my daughter says epic eye roll they will epic eye roll Rudy Gobert like both of them just like I mean that it's just going to be means and and and Lomelo is going to hit him literally in the nose with the ball oh back and back of the head yes everywhere it's going to be amazing highlight don't be best even that because I think that might you know I think that might be the best thing to do for him I just want to see like the first two scrimmages in training camp. When Rudy Gobert is like, what now? Yeah, I know. 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Exclusions apply, visit the website for full terms and conditions. role player I went Lou Dort again I don't know I don't know Lou Dort without a Oklahoma City Thunder uniform on but I think we learned from last year that guys like Lou Dort they can really they can change cultures you saw it with Dylan Brooks in Phoenix last year and he got an immense amount of credit for that I think Dort is these try hard guys that like lunch pail bring it every night I think it permeates your entire roster I think it permeates the guys that are on the floor it's the same place it's no different in basketball that it is in a workplace right if one guy is going all out and it matters that much to him you're either going to reach his level or you're going to feel stupid for not reaching his level and so I am just so used to him being this intense irritant for Oklahoma City I am fascinated to see it in a different conference and that team has got a lot of talent on it that atlanta team they've got a bunch of good players and if they turn into the try hard team to go along with the talent they have i could see them surprising people and being better than maybe even what the expectation is i'm very upset right now why that answer is so much better than anything i even considered like i did plus i did it in 30 seconds this is not competitive like we're not trying we're not trying to win this or whatever i just want to say that like you have it was like it's like i ordered the steak and the guy next to me was like yeah i'll have a bigger steak with a lobster tail and the shrimps can't be on the side and the cream smith i'm just like whoa i didn't even think about that i was even like on my radar that's a great answer thank you is payton watson a role player i think he is i i yeah he's my he's the guy i got in my in my five-star notebook right under lou dort i have circled watson in case you took lou dort yeah i got because i was like is he a role player he the thing is like he is truly a role player like there are like people that are like they're big nba fans don't know who he is because he didn't get that much burn with the nuggets we all know that he had that hot streak when there was injuries around him and if if he could harness he's not going to be asked to do much on this team it's not like there are certain sort of like you did good in your role at team x and now we're going to pay you more to play at team y but we expect more from you there are plenty of guys that will be handling the ball on that team and he's going to be asked to be a similar sort of spark plug off the bench defensive um duct tape i'll call it defensive duct tape because there are some defensive questions on his team and i think that he's going to really shine in this role and i'm a big peyton watson fan and have been for years also highlights also i'm gonna help you out i'm gonna help you out a little bit here also the thing i like about the watson deal and this is why i wrote him down is because in this bizarre way with cleveland you could even go back to the J.B. Bickerstaff, Cleveland, before they got Kenny Atkinson. They were looking for the three. It's the one position. They're looking for the three. Like, it was Isaac of Coro. Then they tried DeAndre Hunter. Then they tried the assembly line of white guys. The white guys, the morals. It was Wade, Ty Jerome, Max Struth. And it's like, Terrence LaVert. I'm still not confident calling Struth a white guy. There's something going on. His 23 and me is not coming up pure white. Karis Levert, they even tried out there, you know, coming off the bat. Like, it was like they just could never get that right. It was like, hey, we got these two guards and we got these two bigs. Bro, it's one position. How can you never get anybody good enough? I've said this before, but I remember listening to you and KOC like seven years ago talking about this. Maybe five years ago. Yeah, it was a Goro. It's like, if he can hit a quarter three, they're going to be a totally different team. And Peyton Watson's perfect for that. Like, there's no shortage of ball hand. What'd you think about the little, did you see the little mini controversy going on on the show that you produced with Rich Paul, where all the headlines then came from that pod? It was like, Rich Paul encouraged Peyton Watson to sit down so he could get a contract. I encourage everyone who saw a tweet or an Instagram caption or something on TikTok to listen to that episode and listen to what rich paul actually said right yeah and that's sometimes you've got to sometimes you got to protect guys from themselves but that's that's also part of the part that was clipped but it's like the whole thing was just it was a very measured sort of like i it's sort of my job to not let players go out there and make bad decisions for their career you know i mean like and and that's exactly what you want an agent to do if you're a player or a family of a player a loved one a player like it the headline is a lot more scandalous and salacious than the actual statement that rich made and listen to a game over on spotify the once star okay so the easy one for me to say is john moran but i'm not gonna do it i'm not gonna do it you can say seven thousand of them you'll never get to mine you get picked go ahead all right i'm not gonna do moran uh because obviously yeah yeah you know what i wrote down for this because there's a bunch of guys right like that have moved spots that are going to be that were once you know stars that are good i did paul george oh god i think i think there's more on there paul george is going to be so much more spotlighted in terms of everybody knowing whatever he's doing then he should be at this point but because he got traded for jaylen brown he like has to be awesome and he can't just be he can't just like usually at this point in your career you could become like one of the guys right but now the expectation is like you know bro you're not one of the guys like you got to be like you got to be good like every night you got Because the other guy was just fifth in MVP voting And the other guy was beloved And the other guy was great And the guy played every night So now, like All I'll just say is this Paul George is fascinating because it's If he's not good That town is going to eat him alive It's going to get bad It's going to get Yes, it is It's going to get bad They were going to be on that friggin' radio Every night Every day And I mean Because you're just not going to be able to You're going to succumb to it Because it's just going to The whole story is just going to be Jay LeBron, Jay LeBron, Jay LeBron I'll agree with you If he is active and available And playing big minutes And terrible, sure But I think if this goes bad It's because he's just not available I believe I believe in like a healthy Paul George I think the bet I think the The pivot of him being good or bad Is more availability and health Than it is sort of like Performance on the court Because in the playoffs he performed And again, it's not his fault He got traded for Jay LeBron But bro, when you get traded for that guy Just one for one For the previous Right A1 team on the back MVP candidate Yes You can't be like the fourth option You know what I mean? Behind like Right Richard And Tatum Can't just You can't just fall into the background And Derek White Yeah Can't stay in the corner Yeah Yeah Can't just fall into the background And so that's either going to go one way or another But here's what we know It's not just going to be it's either going to be good and he's going to be fine and they're going to win a bunch of games and he's going to be a really good player playing alongside tatum but my god if it's not good it's going to get bad fast there are so many candidates before the person i'm about to say obviously clay thompson to rosen levine it's like it's just there's a laundry list of guys but do you know who i'm saying say chris middleton i love chris middleton he's a wizard isn't he is he wizard where is he no my guy is a wizard oh your guy's a deandre ayton oh bro deandre ayton oh no no i i'm gonna bend the rules a bit i'm not excited to see him but like there's a world he's a star you he was a star he was mfg remember after game two of the finals the way that people were talking about deandre ayton just think back teleport yourself back to after game two of the finals they're up to oh and chris paul's about to get his first ring there's no way they could blow this lead and deandre ayton was like the key to the series that's star if you're like a final mvp care no well some things have happened since then but i'm just so curious because i think anthony this is not crazy to say anthony davis might not play 80 games this season by the way chris middleton is a wizard i know i was incompetent because i assumed they would move him this offseason what are you doing why are the wizards why do the wizards have anthony davis trey young and chris middleton why because it's awesome it's awesome it's awesome it's awesome and i also think deandre deandre ayton is awful i'm just i'm just trying to pick somebody to surprise you dude that's all i can't i can't stand it plays like he's got airpods in you remember when he like remember when he blamed his season in portland because he was sleeping on an air mattress he plays like he's got airpods in oven mittens on and wet wet socks like two pairs of wet socks like he like this squishes between his toes every time he steps look he's not awful he just he's not awful it's all in comparison to what he should be this is a guy guys like him make me more mad than any type of i i would rather you like just be legitimately awful but you like you give it everything you got you're just not good enough oh yeah this is that this is the polar opposite he was gifted i mean he won the genetic lottery he is perfect he could be great and he just does not care about being great he's gonna be one of those guys for like four years after he retires he's like that's the under eight damn he's gained some weight like he's one of those guys like well that's that's the under eight sure whoo the one okay so the i still believe in player oh this is the easiest one for me by a wide margin not even close you want to try to guess no oh it's so easy oh wait wait wait are they a grizzly no um easter conference i will tell you this i've loved this guy since the i've loved this guy since college loved him and i always believed i always believed that he could have like big playoff moments and he's just been on rat teams his whole life not his fault either i don't know colin sexton i love oh yeah yeah and he has been on cleveland he has been on utah then i was like oh he's on this fun charlotte team and then they traded him to chicago who was the worst and so i was like it's just his plight this guy is just always gonna be a guy that like is on these teams and bro i watched him play for so many bad teams and play his ass off like he still tries so hard i love the key to chris vernon's basketball heart is one word it's effort just try yes just try chris vernon wants to see you try your hardest like that's it i i i care do you care i just want i want you to care about the outcome of this i want to feel like you care about the outcome and like he was playing on horrible teams his whole life and like i think laker fans are gonna fall in love with this guy like love love if i'm talking to if i look at the lakers i'm like well they lost lebron james who took a minimum somewhere else and rui achamora who's actually like a kind of a big piece what they do lost him but then you're like well i like i like quentin grimes i like i've always liked sex dude you know what i mean walker kessler like you know the idea of walker kessler is pretty good mamu exactly if you know mamu can do things in a limited role mamu can really thrive in it like there's a world in which this works who knows who knows i don't i don't know but i know this contact and we'll finally get to be on a good team until they trade him at the trade deadline to another rat team and i have to live it again i've always thought he's good i've always liked him and i've always thought he could be on like getting playoff minutes and like one of those guys making the hustle play when it matters most it's the defense and like he's just trying so hard and we it was always in college he started slapping the floor and talking shit on defense to the opposing players they dribble up the ball it was the guy whose name was young bull i was just like i love this guy you remember when he was playing there's a you can watch it on youtube when he's at alabama and he had to finish the game with like three players oh yeah everybody got thrown out of the game and he almost did it he almost he almost did it he was playing five guys so unbelievable i'm like this is my guy i love this dude i love it i know no one cares about my rec league just give me 20 seconds is if your fifth guy doesn't show up the rest will give you some time but you have to start the game it is so much better having four guys than five guys because we have four guys there's no expectations you just kind of like hustle and try to like make things happen but when you're playing against four guys you start losing you're just like what is happening to us oh so demoralizing this sucks so demoralizing all right hey can i tell you something can i tell you something that i i i had this thought the other day just real quick as a quick aside of course i i was watching something and that came on the owner of the of the sacramento familiar okay so he was on this thing i was watching and it was it had nothing to do with basketball it's like a business thing or whatever oh it's that guy that runs around and he interviews millionaires all the time you don't talk about he's on instagram how did you get famous or how did you get rich it's totally set up this happened to pull up and be willing to do an interview because millionaires just love nothing more than talking off the cuff to strangers that come up to him when they're in a convertible that's not set up at all totally spontaneous there's no way this is prepared of course i'll talk to you about my business stranger and i'll give you this content for free even though i don't know where you're distributing it of course yeah if you had if you had uh advice for the next generation what would it be and then they've got this unbelievable answer off the top of their head anyways vivek was on that thing so i saw him on there and i don't know why i now again this is probably like some massive abd stuff but i it like it do you remember that whole thing about him like the cherry picking thing like just leaving one guy at the other all-time quarterback yeah of course so how do i remember do i remember just an idea right think it outside the box no bad ideas in the brainstorm as i like to say so it ran through my mind i don't know why i thought of this i saw vivek i hadn't thought about him a long time and i was like oh my god what if he had wimby it you might be able to pull that off like i wonder if i don't know why my mind went like is wimby all-time office or all-time defense no defense that's that's not because i his idea was all-time offense i know one but the other guy tobias harris can be at the other end for all i care sure carter bryant what does it matter but we're just defending with four and one of them's wimpy so i mean like he could for sure guard i don't know if it would be that insane if you had no it's really like a match-up zone it's it's like a three-person shell and then wimby in the paint and then stepping out of the paint every three seconds so he doesn't get a call and then he and then he just chucks it every time the ball comes off the rim he just chucked it all the way down how hard how hard would it be for wimby with his long ass legs to avoid a three-second a defensive three-second call maybe maybe vivek had a vision that one day there will be this seven foot five alien and you'll be able to i mean obviously it was foolhardy with what he had but i don't know people thought the world was flat for a very long time and maybe vivek is just showing us that it's round i just thought to myself you know what he might have been on to something if he if wimby was around then first of all i just love the idea of chris vernon like shitting it's on his phone scrolling sees the pull up in a spontaneous interview and tell me how you got successful and then thinking about maybe vivek was ahead of the curve with this all-time offense thing but it's really defense he was just he just had the wrong end of the floor i just love the way your brain works i love the way your brain works that's why i love you so much he just thought he just thought he just didn't envision that there would ever be a win benyama but if there was you could actually maybe do the four or just have one guy at the other end of the court do you know how vivek got that idea he watched my rec league team get a 10 point lead on a team by only playing with four he's like maybe four is good enough if they're er doctors in their late 40s maybe so all right i'm gonna go quick because that went too long uh i still i've always believed in max streus i've just always loved the guy i've always loved him when like he wasn't available he's injured but his heat days he's took over playoff games and he'll defend he'll rebound he'll he'll he'll play his ass off he's an effort guy berno you love efforts guys charles barkley thinks he's handsome he can shoot threes he could drive he's good in transition there's kind of nothing he can't do okay except start all right you don't want him all right no i'm doing this i i'm doing not uh it's conspiracy bill i'll do a conspiracy tinfoil verno or something right because i can't do it this is too much streus i was listening to bill on my way home today and he's like hey and he's like oh max streus come to the ringer i love your i love your interviews recently come do a podcast with the ringer whatever now you're glazing max i haven't heard bill's i haven't heard bill's pod yet i'm not i'll show you my phone i'll show you my phone but it's like hey guys let's play you my phone i'll show you my phone streus yeah listen unlistened to bill simmons podcast just wait for me right here i unlistened to it's the one with house i haven't played it yet oh because the guy from ucla is in the back half right yeah yep and he's bob jesney he starts uh yeah but he's at one point he just it's like it's kind of it's a quick thing but he's like hey max streus playing for the clippers now you know give me a call do some pods with the ringer i've liked your interviews recently and i was like oh there is a clippers to ring a pipeline austin rivers i know i know doc rivers maybe cali rivers maybe it's just a rivers to ringer pipeline i don't know anyway bill mentioned that now and then you came on you're like i just like streus is awesome i love that i'm like okay wait is he sitting in the studio with you or something no he's in the control room he's shadowing me today he's trying to learn how this works i don't want him on yet he's really just like he watched me prep i took it through my process i was like first of all you have to watch this perfect video of pulling up in a convertible yeah you know you know stuff like that yeah all right this episode is brought to you by nas energy every ounce of dirt sweat and gears every checkered flag and trophy raised every lap every race every hard-fought place they're all jammed inside every can of nas energy high performance energy for burning the midnight oil in the garage and pedal to the metal human horsepower for the streets go ahead crack open a can of nas energy and get after it so this is one of mine so i'll ask the question here you can answer okay uh full disclosure on the last game over episode rich paul came up with the question who's winning a championship would do the most for whose legacy and i was like god damn that's a good august question right right it's a good question and i was like i'm just gonna run that back i was like you know what like i do with most things i'll just like like a taco is steak cheese lettuce tortilla and a burrito is shakes steak cheese lettuce just wrap differently the star most likely to win their first championship wembie that's an easy answer no yes it is it's an easy answer to win his first yes it is they were just in the finals and lost the final he's not a star then so say you stupid american yeah that okay all right well how about we do non-wimby that's fair i don't consider him a star i personally no i mean objectively i don't consider him a star that was literally the easiest question ever posed in the history of podcasts max do not take that one no they had a better question max no max truce i'm saying max isn't max can't hear your side because he doesn't wear we didn't give him headphones he only wants to learn from me he's like i don't need to hear verno it's fine max truce do not use that one um i thought you meant kellerman another one uh most likely yeah that's why that's why i made the question different most likely i've got three answers here you can't think of a second one first of all yours what's the best yours was the best answer again because you're verno but i'll say wimby donovan mitchell oh mitchell they'll have a chance they'll have a chance you think let's let's throw hard in there too is a star yeah oh yeah then you can't win no no because you're saying first so i gotta i gotta rule out everybody i mean and and lamellos is another grouping i had and i also had luca it's gotta be considered i mean i mean i wouldn't you know put oh yeah but you gotta be considered but i i really think and here's something i wanted to pitch to you and why it's the mitchell harden combo last year at this time i did not think there'd be a knicks championship parade i did not are they contenders yes all right you know could they win the east yes but like in my heart of hearts i did not think there would be a knicks championship parade two years ago i did not think the pacers would be in the finals a year and a half ago i didn't think the pacers would be in the finals so it's like it's not always the obvious teams i didn't think that a year ago i didn't think the pisses would be the number one seed and could you see a world in which this cleveland thing works here's here's my problem with cleveland and again i love the peyton watson acquisition harden depth mitchell harden watson i know mobley allen that's that's a lot for a 36 year old that you're counting on with with harden right during the regular season and all those guys are playing 37 minutes in the playoffs i don't like i do not like their depth anymore at all it's just gotten pilfered like it is a good starting five what about my guy tomlin what about my guy tomlin but you look at that's a memphis guy i mean again it's just not good enough yeah i know it's not good enough and you know i'm like philly's got guys that come off the bench for them and can like really contribute and yes indiana's gonna have guys that come off the bench for them and like can really contribute and like like i think there is a thing with this depth now and because you can't lose anybody i will say their team and it's like that's available players like over the course of their career those five guys are pretty available pretty available yeah i mean but again you're i know but you're like but you're one away because they just i just don't it gets bleak after you get through that starting five it's not good i don't think their bench is good enough i could see i could see like the pace of two years ago they don't impress that much in the regular season to availability and lack of depth as you mentioned but like when it cuts down to like a seven and a half person rotation and everyone's minutes go up and if it starts clicking you know they're just working hard in last year i'm just saying like i'm not picking them to win the east but i would think the pacers were going to win the east two years ago i wouldn't think they're going to win the east last year and so it's not always who you think it is it is not always who you think it is but i will never trust james harden ever i always think about that and i think about those 19 missed threes i'm like man like what if they make two of those how does that change small move big results mine is stupid for this one i'm telling you no i i look on my notebook i will just say i wrote this down but you've been nice to me this episode i would say probably 65 percent relatively nice relatively nice in comparison to past behavior yeah yeah 60 65 percent nice 35 percent if that was more 50 50 or usual like it is where you're mean to me 70 30 this was mitchell robinson but i'm xing it out and i'm going i'm going isaiah joe oh and this is and and here's why i'm going isaiah joe because there is a part of me that wonders what if like is he just one of those people who's going to be those guys that he plays 21 minutes because if you play isaiah joe 21 minutes or you pay him 30 minutes you're probably getting about the same thing or is he a guy because you go back and look the last two years he has played 21 minutes a game he is average 11 points a game and he was not far off from 50 40 90 he was 46 percent from the field 42 percent from three and 89 free throw shooter and that's in 21 minutes and 11 points a game and it's like all right well now he gets a way bigger role in detroit he's still getting set up that needs a joke right like it we're gonna find out i i'm at least holding out like what if he is a guy that like just because of the circumstances he was playing 21 minutes because they got too many good players right they got case on wallace and they got killed just out tanner and they got thorn and they got aaron wiggins and they aaron wiggins might be another one in atlanta we might find out that those guys what if they did get like starters minutes you are they like does that production remain the same because those no like the shooting numbers are the shooting numbers that's a lot well i mean you shoot 42 percent from three it is interesting because the opposite is true for like miami heat players you know i mean they're in that system and they leave the system and all of a sudden the production just goes straight down not everyone given a bigger opportunity can continue the same results especially in a new system totally fair that was also the spurs guys the spurs guys back in the day but in this case yes he is a perfect fit for them and listen you know i'm a knicks fan i talk to knicks fans all the time strangers friends group chats whatever and like listen do you remember that guy who went through the bs reports and like the how many times someone was mentioned it was like lebron james and joe house whatever he like oh yeah yeah and if someone we went through all my conversations like how many times were eastern conference teams mentioned it would be knicks sixers celtics calves pistons and the pistons were the number one seed you know what i mean it's like it's almost like they don't they're not like considered top of the east even though they were literally top of the east and i would in the oh did they make a big splash in the offseason no but like isaiah joe's gonna be very helpful for them well and you and you make a good point because there was that was always the spurs that were like this right sometimes you would go somewhere else and it would be jonathan simmons and you'd never hear from him again or it would be uh bryce what's his dick and you'd never hear from him again and it would be gary neal and you never really heard from him again but when they were all playing for the spurs it was like it was cracking and that that has been true but then there's the derrick white of course and so that might be true we're about to find out because there's a bunch of these thunder guys we're gonna find out with dort we're gonna find out with wiggins we're gonna find out with and one of them might end up being derrick white where it's like wow derrick white was actually capable of being like a number two option in spots yeah it's i was thinking about the press conference they're like listen up you know fan base look at we got this new guy and here's his jersey and go buy season tickets and you're just kind of like oh well you know three months in you're like well what about what about all those promises you know and right i think isaiah joe will not be that because i think he's kind of the exact player that they need mine is julius randall oh shut up you pair him this was big results with michael there'll be big results michael porter jr what and yegor joman clowny wolf sarah big results they're gonna need to go they're gonna win 15 games this year they need to run it back they need to go re-sign cam thomas let him that way so that way it's just really whoever has the ball shoots it oh they got the maps the got the maps gone right thank god all right so you don't have to worry about that no i'm gonna delete it from my phone right now i can't wait this is gonna make me so happy what are they gonna be on how do i do this hold on delete you remember you used it used to look at it right here delete it wow wait keep subscription have i been paying for this thing renews october 2nd 359.99 active cancel subscription cancel subscription oh that feels so good the subscription is to keep the subscription after your offer ends on october 2nd you can keep the subscription after your offer ends on october 2nd you can subscribe to the subscription after your offer ends on october 2nd subscribe for 299.99 per year no thank you thank god i did that because i would have forgot gotten paid gotten charged 300 for yank but i thought it was gone that doesn't mean they can't charge you you know that for like uh and and nycfc games or something you know i mean they're like the red bulls i'm sure they have or whatever the mets i don't know i should get commission on you deleting this i'll venmo you 10 right now buddy last thing last thing before we get out of here hold on i have to venmo you no you don't have to venmo me oh i haven't i got a new phone so i can even log in all right scandal you care about the most kawaii clippers laker sale the blazers owner being cheap enos freedom it's ennis ennis maybe the nets could sign him since he's not getting in the wmba it seems they said they said they ruled them out what do you think which one do you care about the most i guess the blazers owner being cheap just because i'm afraid they're gonna move i think that's gonna be a disgusting story i do i think it's gonna be truly disgusting this guy this guy's wanting to move and and like they've been writing about this like from the day he took over and they're gonna blame the lady that sold him the team and this has just got all the makings of you know a franchise getting its team ripped away from them uh you know fan base getting their team ripped away from him because they sold to the wrong guy and i think that's his plan i think that's what he is i think it's what he's he he seems to be conducting himself in that manner and so just because that'll change the league you know in the end of the day he'll have new owners but whatever ballmer will probably get away with the kawaii stuff completely and enos freedom's just an idiot i mean i mean so i think the blazers i'm really worried about that i i you know there's not that many you know one they only got that i got it they've got like a wmba team or whatever but i mean like that's their that's their team oh yeah portland's team and it sucks i just really hope this is some sort of bluff and they keep the team but i'm afraid it's not the one that i care the most about is uh kawaii and the clippers and here's just because you're friends with i'm friends with pop now and here's how i see it playing out it's in the best interest for steve ballmer one of the richest people on the planet for this just to go away it's in the best interest for the nba uh uh i don't know multi-billion dollar league for this to just go away i'm afraid that pablo turnt poet torian's name is going to go missing and i'm going to have to go after him like liam neeson and take it he's not going missing i just feel like an suv is going to pull up and put a hood over his head and just drop him in the back and we're just gonna be like where's pablo and no one knows like it's just like there's so many billions of dollars at stake and they all want this just to go away and then come out with some sort of ruling being like we did investigations there's nothing to see here everybody move on and papa's gonna be like okay here's what i got if we can't just move on and i'm just i'm just gonna i'm gonna have to like harbor him at my house on my couch counterpoint it doesn't matter because he got his pulitzer prize for podcasting anyway i love that the blowback was just like this guy was faking the whole thing no no no everything pablo presented was real i just think that what it boils down to and i want to get into it boils down to there's a difference between knowing somebody committed a crime and proving in the court of law beyond a reasonable doubt they committed that crime there's a pretty big gulf between those two things and i think there's enough evidence that there was salary cap circumvention between the clippers organization and the clippers organization and the clippers organization and kawaii leonard but proving that proving that beyond a reasonable doubt in the court of law is different than knowing that it happened well and this is like the i mean when they even said that they were negotiating that was represented i'm saying that yeah that they were negotiating a settlement type of thing and it's like okay this is like no one asked why did you why did you offer up that information right no one asked yeah they've already talked to you know the they've already talked to him about negotiating a settlement whatever else and so you're probably right if i just go away two more things before we go i'm not going to be on the mismatch next week because i'll be driving an rv with my family maybe i'll be on this i'll be dying on the side of the road in the desert turning into a skeleton because my family drove away without me and i deserve it probably i'm i am not innocent in this whole disaster of this weekend and number two during this podcast because i'm alone in the studio i've ripped like two 10 second farts like long huge gross 10 second farts over the course of this podcast did they make i didn't hear them no they weren't loud enough i've i've audio control on that i turned it down but wow yeah this is uh do you know those ones that make your stomach feel so much better afterwards you've been sitting in it yeah but it's also like it's just like those ones that make your stomach feel like you lost five pounds you're just like oh god it feels so much better now and you feel like it it felt like do you think it improved your podcast performance or do you think it detracted from it detracted definitely you think it detracted yes you were sitting in the odor and it detracted yeah i mean i wrote on the rundown star most likely to win their first championship this season i have four players written down here and wimby's not one of them i gotta talk to my therapist about that we we we we women i'm playing rugby this summer to get tough hair did you see that i i saw the yokich wimby stuff did you see that he's playing rugby rugby isn't he no bro i so i saw this serbia france game happening play rugby no bro i don't know if you said look it up i saw serbia france game happening and i was like this must have been from five years ago because i would have heard of this and like serve serbia came back from this huge deficit at the last second some guy named horde hit a layup and wimby was playing and i was like this can't be current or else this would be the biggest news in the nba am i did i get duped no that is going on it's a friendly nobody no nobody's worse than fiba of letting people know that something is going on and they're guarding each other this is why the nba is starting nba europe there's a lot the the serbians some non-yokich guy the announcer goes we good we know yokich is going to get a touch there's like seven seconds left guess who doesn't get a touch yokich guess who does some guy and he hits a left-handed layup there's like i don't know five seconds left and and the the guys are doing the thing we're like he's gonna shoot a half-court shot let's not foul him so they're playing like a like a arms off defense and he dribbles down and hits a layup with 0.1 seconds left it was a fascinating finish to a game and i was like there's no way this happened just now and i looked it up and i was like this is current and no one's talking about it and it wasn't even on like you couldn't even like find it on a tv so weird i don't know why they do this yeah it's a friendly i get it's just like an exhibition game but like a buzzer beater and then they're playing another game wemby verse yokich covering each other yes but if every basketball fan had an awareness that this was going on i would say a hundred times more people would have watched that if they promoted it a hundred times more people that's not a small number absolutely all right well i'm not gonna watch the next one so whatever hey enjoy your trip i know you're gonna you're gonna do great in this rv you and your family are gonna make memories that last a lifetime yeah do you remember when we all got together and had a mutiny on dad and kicked him out the rv while it was moving that's the memory it's gonna last a lifetime and they're gonna thrive without me all right just text me i'll i'll at least send a car you'll get a pin in the middle of the desert sos i lost a limb good luck in 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