The Pile Is Your Friend

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I'm very fragile. It's daylight savings. I think that something happens with the moon or the sun and the savings. What are we saving? Not ourselves this season. And like imagine trying to imagine me posting on Instagram, like just trying to like connect with people and relate like I'm super depressed because daylight savings, all the responses being it's not daylight savings time. Daylight savings time is over. Listen, if daylight savings was created. You know what I meant. Daylight savings was created is a man-made concept. Then this woman can make her own concept of what time savings mean to her. Thank you. There I said it. He said it. Listen to a man when he says it. He speaks. Sit down and listen for once. Lord. Jeez. Anyway. Well, I. Hi, semifinalist. Okay. Hi, Goodreads Choice Awards nominee, two categories. Thanks. Who cares? Who cares? I texted you yesterday. You're going to win. I actually don't think so. I think you will absolutely win romance. I looked at all the rest. Well, here's the thing about that. First of all, if you don't know, you know, I love Goodreads. I've been like an avid Goodreads user since 2014. I'll just even say it before we even continue on. When voting, is voting open? Yeah. Well, I like, I'm like, I don't even want to like blast it out on here because I really want to win on merit. No, merit is, merit is over. No, I really feel that way. So it's like, if you read Phoebe and you loved it, sure, go ahead and vote. But if you're just a fan of me, you can sit this one out because I don't want any sort of unfair advantage because these awards, like I take them very seriously. The young woman is better than I. No, no, no. Because Dancing with the Stars. Dancing with the Stars, that's about like, that's just as much about like people loving you as a person as it is your dance ability. This really like is just about like the book. So the book is phenomenal. If you haven't read it, this is just a good callback to pick up Phoebe Berman's Gonna Lose It. It's still readily available at your disposal. And I even know that it's available in several languages. So if you're Portuguese, there's a Portuguese Phoebe Berman's Gonna Lose It available to you at this time. Yes. Coming soon. But anyway, that doesn't matter. Basically, the opening round is open now. So it's like, I don't know if it's 10 or 20 nominated for each category. One, two, one, two, maybe somewhere in between. 15. Nope. 15 categories. 300 nominees. Few, few different books nominated in each category. One, two, three, four, five times. Wait, one, two, three, four, five. Oh, it's 520. It's 520. So there's not a world I win debut because yesteryear is in there. And that's the, that's the white. That's not entirely fair. Is that the saying? The great white buffalo. So I'm not counting on that. I'm also not necessarily counting on romance because it's not like there's Phoebe is a rom-com, but it's not like a traditional romance. What are the, can I let, what are the categories? If they have a romance, see why would they not have rom-com in a book? Is it, why is it so rare to have a rom-com book? Um, I, it, I, it is. Yeah. I feel like I'm in there with more traditional romances, which are great. But yeah, rom-com is, is not a category. Cause I think that would just be, yeah, romance. But. Comedy is so important to a rom-com though. I think it's a little bit too genre bending to win the romance and it's not going to win debut. But I genuinely, when I tell you it's an honor. That's why it's nominated for two. When I tell you it is just an honor to be nominated. Whenever people say that, I'm like, okay. Yeah, sure. It is an honor just to be nominated. I'm serious. So that's that. And yeah, opening round is now and then it'll narrow down. Sure. In the next round, which is the 22nd. Like you're in here with a court of splintered fingers. About splintered harmony. Harmony. Yeah. That's fabulous. So I'm just, yeah, I'm really excited just to be there and. Good for you. Very honored. Good for you. Thank you, Connor. Wow, that's amazing. Good for you. I don't, I don't, I don't take one single scroll in terms of books and I don't see Phoebe in it somewhere. I am like, I can't really tell how like far it's gotten past like the B and C sphere. Like I know there are like, there are definitely some people that are like, I didn't know you and I love Phoebe and I'm like, that makes me so happy. But I'm not sure how many of those people there are, you know, like I'm so in the B and C sphere. So like I get Phoebe a lot, but like I, I don't know how much just like in the book space. it is well i do i see like there was a young woman reading it one time on the west side highway when i was in new york and i pop in say hi because i'm thinking bnc yeah did not know me so it's i i don't know how many of those walked up on a woman reading a book and said hey how is it yeah which like she's probably like ass no she was like it's good can i help you and then i was like check check yourself just wondering thanks i was thinking about reading it yeah i don't know i genuinely have no concept of like where it stands on its own so that's kind of what i want to know with this so if you're just a fan of me please vote for what you genuinely love and so yeah anyway do you know did you see i've been playing with this little bang for this this whole time and you know i've been playing with this little bang for this whole time and i've been playing with this little bang for this this whole time and i've been playing with this little bang for this this is about your book what is it oh the title the bookshelf that to be announced yeah a future bestseller that is wonderfully hilarious not yet published and will make anyone who reads it wistful for a life they haven't lived cute cuteness and yeah good reminder time can change at one point in time that's all phoebe was and now we got those good reads on she's got some legs she's got some legs on her she's got some legs anyway hi semi-finalists hi leading man oh that was fabulous that was fabulous yeah that was so much fun that was fabulous i hate like i have failed you because because of my depression i fell asleep before uh dancing with the stars air pst and my live stream wasn't working no one's live stream link was working so that's why like none of us could watch one of our friends so um yeah i had i had passed peacefully before it aired so i watched this morning wow but i only watched you and and i and your feedback which was great um so i that's where i stand i can't comment on anyone else today which is i've i've failed no that's okay um but you were fabulous thank you yeah that was really one of my favorite dances that you've done i think for me that was that's right behind me halloween me too and like everyone will i think everyone would agree just because contemporary no one counts as like ballroom but last night was proper ballroom and it was so much fun you just like it's it's a kind of null it's a null point for me to be like that was my favorite one and it's our best ballroom dance because i'm nine weeks in you know so it's like of course that would be your best performance you would hope nine weeks in right but it was so that's great but it was so that's great jeez i was nervous really yeah why well i know that there were comments i think we're just to a point where people are it gets to a point it gets to a point everyone i think is just becoming a little more critical of everybody else and so people said like i like i didn't do a ton of the thing that is argentine dango you know people were saying what do you that like in terms of the dance like it is like a a dance where you have yeah you were leading yeah so we've had we've had the summer you're busy leading that we got comments that too much samba content in it and there wasn't even a argentinian tango and it's like so people are always going to say something it's so much fun and we got to do the dance off with mora and mark which was so much fun and cheryl crow yeah wait can i ask the way that i the clip that i saw the first like 30 seconds were cheryl singing close up were you dancing during that yeah we had 30 seconds okay so i had we like the general population missed like probably most of your dance i'd say i look so good which like i love cheryl crow so like i loved seeing her i did want to see you dance yeah and i i didn't get to so bless cheryl to death truly she did slip up on the on the sound she did slip up a few pieces which fine to do but i'm just saying like they could have at least on a split screen oh you know what i'm saying oh i see you weren't did you see like the way it was edited um i saw what they did in camera blocking i didn't i didn't watch so i think instead of the first 30 seconds of your dance it was just cheryl singing unless you didn't no no no no did you not the first 30 seconds like me and mara were kind of shaking our butts okay well i didn't see you get to shake your butt and it was really fun um mora i love mora to death i do too i feel deathly sick talking about mora because of how much i love her yeah i really really love her she i would say besides you is like my favorite personality she is awesome like i love mora she's awesome and sadly like last night was my week where it's like anyone that goes home it will hurt my heart that's the point oh no no beyond as of this week so it's been there for me for a while i guess i won't even say he went home but like that was sad to me yeah obviously very sad yeah so and it's only gonna get worse which is cute although like i think once you make it to the finale like i'll be upset about whoever goes home next week but then once you make it to the finale like to me like all good like any place i've been in a place that's all good for so long yeah what's weird is that like once i got far enough and i was just like okay i can wrap my head around like all of these people are so talented and so like such good performers and such good personalities if i go home i'll be i will be okay yeah and i think you are you are making it to the finale which is when i when i decided i will be okay i go that's when i started doing better and just from performance perspective but like i just like lowered it and i'm just like okay with whatever happens and if i go home i'll be happy i went home over anyone else in the competition and last time i had that thought again and i was like that is okay you know like if i go home like i am okay with that yeah that was that was a shock to my yeah but wait can i can i ask you something and this is a spoiler if you didn't see the y'all have watched who was the bottom two i know who went home but who was the other um it was tatiana and oh that's scary yeah val and jenna that's scary i know very scary when did they announce you being safe okay great yeah because we we lost the dance i should more and more there's a four-way tie for last sure because we all got four nines yeah it's crazy we're at a point where like four nines or three nines sorry is tied for last yeah i love that you brought back the panties the orange yeah wasn't that fun yeah and i love that more i had blue ones we were supposed to be dumb and dumb we're supposed to do a video in dumb and dumber and i couldn't find a sound beforehand it was it's over now that there's less people you think there'd be more downtime there's not a single second of downtime before the show's now it's just chaos i want someone to make like a play a side-by-side of first week's dance with it was was it the exact same dance or did you change it there was i mean the moves that's the cool part about this is like that is what they kind of want to set you up for because that's why they give you a dance that you've done before so you can show improvement yeah yeah i want the side-by-side of that of what you did last night that would be really cool that's like when i feared it and it truly like we didn't go into that it was it was very realistic it was just fun like and maura and mark are so awesome so we're just like laughing oh i cannot watch this i'm so sorry i love the costume department with my entire chest cannot deal with my lorax stomach in this outfit i you don't have a lorax look at my the way i will say is he please take it off the screen like i can't look at this you i will say like you've you've developed the body of a dancer over time what does that mean like you look really like oh thanks do you think you'll keep it up hell no no i had pizza for breakfast have you changed your diet at all yeah like just like protein lots of protein or actually you probably need a lot of carbs for audio only i've just pulled chicken rice and broccoli out of my tote yum that looks good it is good whenever like that is something like if i got that for myself you would i would only eat the rice and the skin of the chicken but like when i watch you eat that i'm like oh i would eat that whole thing you know it gets very dry halfway through but yeah i i've it's good i'm my eating has like devolved a lot as i've aged like now i eat uncrustables and cheez-its for every meal maybe you have arfin i think i'm i've got late onset arfin arfin yeah what do we know about arfin uh let's try and do the acronym without looking i don't think it's an acronym i don't oh really i don't think it's an acronym i could be so wrong i think it's like a verse response food it's food regression it's like you can't you literally can't i just watch this one arfin guy all the time who like tries new foods and like yeah like it's not a response it's not a typical response that you would have if you don't eat food it's like do you know that that's that's what i would do when i would eat salad and i'm not talking about any sort of salad lettuce any sort of lettuce i would put it in my mouth and i wanted to like it because it was that point in my life where i like wanted to have a salad and i wanted to drink coffee you know like i wanted to like grow up a little bit and i would put a piece of lettuce in my mouth and i would physically i'd start to throw up hey guys we want to take a break to thank a sponsor of today's episode warby parker i feel like finding a good pair of glasses should be so simple but somehow it can turn into this entire process you want something that actually looks good on your face fits comfortably and doesn't cost a ridiculous amount of money i love my warby parkers i wear them all 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If you're eating in your car like I am, grab some extra napkins, prepare accordingly, get the $7 big deal meal at Sonic, and enjoy a full meal plus premium chicken bites for just $7, $7 even. Live free, eat Sonic. That's my response to, like, a hard cheese or. Love hard cheese. The worst thing ever happened to me yesterday. What? And it triggered an ARFID response. I, you know, a lot of people don't know I've been depressed. I don't know. And I was just like, you have, you have to get out of the house. Like, it's not an option. And so I, like. It's not, by the way, it's not easy right now with the daylight savings of it all, but also, 80 degrees in November. Yeah, it's also. It's just exhausting. So I went, I got out of the house at, like, 10A, and I took myself to Erewhon, and I was like, you also, I've not, I've been bad with eating, so it's like, you're just gonna get a chia pudding, which I, it's just, like, a source of sustenance that, like, tastes fine to me. Mm-hmm. Um, and got, got that, walked home. I was like, I f***ing did it, man. Open the chia pudding, take a bite, ARFID. It was yogurt. I can't do yogurt. I can't do yogurt at all. It was ARFID on site, and I had to take the berries out of the, of the chia pudding, wash them, wash them with my hands, because I don't have a colander or anything, any bullshit like that. It's a cheap colander. Yeah. And, um, I can't, like, even, yogurt. I can't even touch, touch my, my crap. You don't like yogurt at all? I hate yogurt. Okay. It's that sort of, like, it's similar to cheese, and, like, this is rotten. Oh, my gosh. I love yogurt. This is rotten. Rotten? It's rotten. You consider yogurt rotten? I do. The only thing I can do is Danimals, uh, Dylan and Cole Sprouse. I get it. Well, there is one that I've been getting that I really, really like. It's, I think it's Koolina. Yeah, I, I don't, I can't. It is, like, genuinely delicious. Genuinely dessert. It's so, so freaking good. And there's probiotics or prebiotics, whatever they talk about. You know I love those biotics. Yeah. They do something for you. That, and that, for me, that's just offsetting whatever else I put into my body. Totally. Like, I'll have some yogurt for sure. Yeah, no. I should have saved mine for you. Put it in the garbage disposal. My arfid. It's like throwing it, like, angrily in the sink. My arfid is strictly quesadilla related. What do you mean? Like, there are weeks. That I go on where it's like, I can't, I have my head around eating something that isn't a quesadilla. Oh, I thought you were saying you got arfid in response to eating the quesadilla. Oh, Brooke, no. Yeah. Quesadillas will always be my bread and butter. Yeah, exactly. Can we, can we just look into arfid really quick? I just, so arfid is, you were right. Avoidant restrictive food intake disorder. Yeah. Diagnosed with a DSM-5TR criteria when eating or feeding a disturbance leads to persistent failure to meet appropriate nutritional or energy needs. Oh, so this like leads to health issues. No. Yeah. I think like arfid has become something that people are just using, like in the way that, in the way that we just used it, like, or yeah, people use all types of mental health stuff, but so we, we don't have arfid of course, but like, it's becoming like, oh, I'm so OCD vibes, you know, but it's a, it is like a genuine thing, which I, and I watch a lot of arfid Tik Tokers. I see the arfid Tik Tokers. It's, it's real. It's real. And, uh, definitely hearts out to those of you who have arfid. Blessings and such. Blessings and such. So. Um, oh my gosh. Speaking of blessings and such, did you see James went to Turkey with his brother? Yeah. He's so funny. To get a hair transplant? Yeah. Why are we going, what is up with Turkey and hair? I, it's, they just like have, apparently are the only country that like really knows how to do it. And it's cheap or much cheaper that going flying out to Turkey, getting a place to stay and the procedure is cheaper than doing it locally. People go to Turkey for hair transplants primarily due to significantly lower costs, all-inclusive track of packages and countries, massive packages and shit like that. Okay. All-inclusive Turkey packages. Sign me up. Thanksgiving vibes. You. Yeah. You don't need a hair transplant. No. I'm not asking you that. I, I, now who could be. Cousin Logan. Cousin Logan. What'd she say? What'd she want to say? Just answer and it's just. Yeah. She pisses me off. I ignored it through my phone like you did with you. Okay. Hello. Hello. Hey, cousin Logan. We're on the podcast live, girl. Oh. Hello. Hi, Becky. Miss you. I was just. Thinking actually that I really want to be an extra in your movie. Okay. I do, too. We can try and figure that out. Okay. I get stage fright when you answer when you're on the podcast. Yeah, I noticed. That's why I answered on the podcast. Let's wrap this up. Is your podcast live to for us? Yes. Like broadcast it out. Like no, Logan. Oh, they edit, they edit stuff and then put it out. Yeah. Oh, God. I'll have to give it a listen. Okay. Okay. Love you. Bye. Love you. Bye. Love you. You know what? I was genuinely. Oh, wait. I have to tell you something. Something just clicked in your eyes. I have to tell you. Okay. Tell me something. The game. I love Krillian. Yeah. The first question the other day was a podcast that has like X amount of listeners or something like 10,000 monthly listeners. So, and you know, the rarer the answer, the more you know. Yeah. Yeah. The rarer the answer, the more points you get. So, I was like, I don't want to do BNC because like, God willing, we aren't the rarest. You know, I really wanted to do, but I couldn't remember the name of the podcast you did with Remy. Oh, my gosh. What was that called? It was like TikTok or something. It was something, something along those lines. TikTok. Whatever. It was TikTok. TikTok. Whatever. With Connor and Remy. TikTok show. Oh, talk show. Oh, talk show. Talk show. Hey, that's pretty good. That's good. That is better than Brooke and Connor. Talk show. Oh, I miss that. Oh, bless their hearts. The best thing in the world was Connor and I had lived together in that month that like he was getting calls from iHeart and they were like, we want you to do this podcast. We like, we, are there any like girls that you can think of that would be like a good match for you and a good co-host? Yeah. And he was taking this call on speaker like next to me and he was like, yeah, Brooke, Averick, like we're good friends. You'd be good. And they were like, okay. And then they, they chose Remy who's great. But now it's like, damn y'all. He told you. Well, this. He told you and you did not listen. This obviously crashed and burned. But I actually don't know if this would have qualified for an answer because I don't know if y'all got 10K listeners in my. I don't think we had one. But I ended up doing it. not that y'all care and that was good that was a deep cut would you say au pair not that y'all care oh just in the podcast that tristan and channing yeah if you know them yeah yeah um so they were a deep cut which was fun and i we probably would have been a deep cut but as well but are we able to check that ourselves i don't want to know i don't know if we can yeah i bet we can we can go to the archive some stuff i think it was like three days ago i know that's been coming that's been coming up on my feet a lot people that play krill it's i like it didn't even didn't even slightly perk me up when we played like the the concept of the game did not make me excited at all to play a game that's i that's actually i'm so hardcore for krill oh till death do us blart was the one in a krillian which is they recap um paul blart mall cop like once again and i'm like oh my god i'm so excited to be playing krill or something they do one podcast episode a year and it's recapping paul blart yeah so that's the one in a krillian um that's really funny i want to listen to that let's do yeah brooke and connor make a podcast brooke oh obsessed oh i didn't think of obsessed that would have been a deep cut damn brooke and connor would have been a rare which is nice okay that's nice i'm dumb as hell for not thinking of obsessed anyway brooke and jeffrey right there with us hi brooke and jeffrey brooke and jeffrey what are you doing on the side what did brooke and jeffrey talk about do you have a second family dude you know i wouldn't be able to keep it secret brooke and jeff i always used to joke that my dad would spend so much time working on the yard that he had a second family hidden in the bushes somewhere oh that's cute yeah it was funny it did make me and my close immediate family laugh you have always been and will always be a comedian first and foremost uh i used to be so funny with my dad out working in the yard oh i remember you used to work the lawnmower too right i did used to yeah yeah oh my gosh that was genuine hell on earth that was up there with learning two dances on dancing with the stars how long has it been have that you've been dancing 10 weeks i moved here on august 19th i moved here on august 19th it's november 11th have we discussed how much it's gonna blow when you go back to new york like in terms of like having to do virch i like i i think everything will be okay and i'm gonna be here so much more again now i hope it's time that i go to my apartment and sleep in my bed yeah yeah it's just it will just blow it will be below deck it will leaf blow in the yard sadly speaking of yeah i used to mow the lawn yeah yeah i used to know my way around the lawn mower i told you i had so much pent-up anger about mowing the lawn that like did i tell you that one time i was just like so mad just like yeah my my parents were making me mow the lawn and i had to get the leaf blower out and i was pulling the thing oh good it wouldn't start and i pulled it so hard that i dropped it and it hit the ground the gas cap fell off of the leaf blower and the way it hit the ground made the gas splash forward and then back up the tube and then into my eyes yeah i remember this vaguely yeah and there was just gas in my eyes what do you do when you get gas in your eye punch a hole in the drywall in the garage yeah which was awesome to explain to my dad that i was already i was already mad at him for making me leaf blow i was like who are we trying to impress with the driveway we don't have guests over why does the driveway need to have no leaves in it sure and now i understand that blowing out the the yard was more of an act of of keeping everyone in line with like who's in charge it was like less if like we don't need a single leaf in the driveway and more of like no go out and blow and blow out the driveway because i because i told you to and i'm your father got it yeah yeah it's it keeps a hierarchy and and you do need that you do need that hierarchy and everything maslow yeah we've spoken about maslow it's been a while i think you know you've you've done a bit on the hierarchy of needs i always do bits on the hierarchy needs because i think that like food shelter what have you so important blah blah blah yawn yeah we need other stuff too but i'm just saying that's maslow that's maslow he's maslow she's maslow she they them we are maslow wait i did you want to look no i just want to just check who was maslon why did he decide my hierarchy you want to look up maslow brooke i do i want to look at that abraham harold maslow that is a name for the books it really is hi i'm abraham harold maslow what can i do for you well he lived old he didn't almost 62 years i guess that was old for them that was like genuinely 100 years self-actualization i can't do with all that right now what is self-actualization to you i don't know it'd be like the pursuit of personal growth creativity and fulfilling one's highest purpose i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't know what's highest potential yeah i'm self-actualized as people like as much as y'all don't believe that i feel self-actualized really right now and in this kelly clarkson oh my she looks like a hoot yeah he does look sweet and cute let's see did maslow believe in god oh my gosh wait slow down for me really quick no abraham did not he also married his first cousin awesome so let's maybe we redo the hierarchy of needs if his top need was marrying his first cousin i don't think that was his top need well i think that was where is love and shit on his hierarchy he fell in love with her as a teenager i need to go ahead and shake that one off the thing is and you know we've spoken on incest before um which i'm surprised that never came back to bite us it is currently still yeah that's why i like wanted to cut you off i had no idea yeah like i honestly think like that's awesome um we just say it's wrong this is no this is what i'm saying like it is like a cultural taboo because it was like a cultural taboo and i don't think that's what i'm saying but it was okay at this time and these are stuff like we're not saying we have an opinion on it but like this is stuff you talk about like in an ethics class and connor and i like to turn our podcast into an ethics seminar of sorts sometimes and that's all we were doing that's all we were doing and all we continue to do yeah it's just we're just curious and we just like we figure things out as we go so as this was culturally acceptable back then that's all i'll say yeah hey guys we want to take a break to thank a sponsor of today's episode racketing the holiday shopping season is officially upon us and i feel like between buying gifts decorating and all the holiday parties i'm spending money every single day so if i'm already going to be shopping i might as well be getting some money back while doing it that's why racketing is so great you can earn cash back on so 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Feels like progress. Chime is a fintech, not a bank. Banking services and Chime Card provided by Chime's bank partners. Qualifying direct deposits required. Terms and limits apply. Go to Chime.com slash disclosures for details. Period. Yeah. I miss my ethics class. Oh my God. My, I have, I took philosophy. I guess that they do ethics and philosophy. I think was that what it was that we'd right. Cause I don't know. I think ethics is like you can do current. I don't know. I think ethics is like you can say ethics. We definitely did the train thing in philosophy. The trolley probably. Yeah. Clang, clang, clang goes the trolley. Which way will you pull? My philosophy teacher was so cute. So it was like, would you rather hook up with five people that are your peers or hook up with one person that is your professor? One that is my professor. Which is fine to do. If you're not in his class, probably. I don't think a professor can have any sort of like unprofessional relationship with students. If they're not your student, there's no conflict of interest. He was a young guy. And he was a, he was a tenured professor. I don't know about his tenure. He was young. And I feel like a lot of professors were also like PhD student, like a professor and your study. Yeah, you're right. I don't know if he was a professor. I think he was a professor. He could have been like, not a TA though, like above a TA. What's above a TA and below professor? There are professors. There are, I don't know, but there are assistant professor, like AP. But let me paint you a scenario. The graduate academic training, early career or not. Yeah. He might've just been non-tenure track B. An instructor. He was an instructor, but I don't actually don't remember. I think he could have been a professor, but let me paint you a scenario. I'm in my dorm at Warren Towers, smelling the subway, wafting up into my room. I'm on Tinder. Okay. Cause that was the thing back then. This isn't real by the way. I'm just painting you a picture. I see I'm 20. I swipe right on someone who's 28 or let's say he's 26. Okay. And let's say I'm 21. Okay. Sure. I'm 21. He's 26. We go out on a date. I'm like, Oh, what do you do? He's like, Oh, I'm a professor at BU. And I'm like, Oh, okay. Is this real? This is not real. And I'm like, Oh, cool. I'm a student at BU. That's the end of it. I truly think. Oh, I don't think so at all. There, if there's an, I'm not in his class. Marco's got money troubles. So I'm hearing. What do you mean? It is certainly a conflict of interest. I think I don't. What's the conflict? If you ended up transferring, you ended up switching your major. I'm just, well, if we're dating, it's like, okay, I'm not taking your class. I'm also a senior. Well, you have a good head on your shoulders. I don't think that can be said about. Oh, I think it's so normal. A student can't date a professor at the university that they go to. Absolutely can. I don't think there's any conflict. I don't even think we can Google that. I think that that's just like, yeah, you can. Can a student date a professor? I wish we could call Maslow. Not whether a professor and student can, it depends whether or not, whether the same class depends heavily on specific university policies, department supervisory power dynamic, and whether the professor has any evaluative role over the student. Yeah. As long as there's no power dynamic involved, that's just like, there's no difference between dating. What if they went, what if they taught at BC and I went to BU? No conflict of interest. You don't go to that university. But there's no conflict of interest if I'm not taking their class. They might know you're a professor. They throw you a bone. They could know my professor if they also taught at BC. I just, you know, I don't know. You know, I take this very seriously as a romance author. There's tons of, like, you should read the love hypothesis. That was actually a little bit. There's a, that one's a little bit. What was the? The love hypothesis is she's a PhD candidate and he is a professor within the, within the department, but also in a different department. I don't kind of really know how that works. I don't know how that works. I don't really know how that works. I don't know how that works at all. So he has a lot of pull at the university. Yes. Like there was a lot, that was iffy. Yeah. But I liked it. Sure. It is sexy. Yeah, of course. Oh, I loved the scene where she had to sit on his lap in a lecture because there was no space. There was just no other space to sit. And to me, if you said I have a problem with that, I would say, well, yes, but the, the, the situation I painted you, there's no problem. It's, it's only fun if there's like a little bit of like, this is wrong to me. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Uh, anyway, I saw, imagine this. I'm having trouble making it from like the bed to the couch. I'm fine. By the way, I'm fine. Like I will be fine next week when, when like daylight savings is like, I'm a little bit more used to it, but imagine I'm struggling. Tristan texts me. You still good to come to the event tomorrow? I forget. I say, what event? I had agreed to go to a sunrise viewing of sunrise on the reaping doors open 6am. That's like, to me, a matinee feels scary. Cause I, I don't want to go to the movies during the day, a movie for sunrise, like going into a movie when the sun's setting, I get it. You come out, it's dark, it's nighttime going in and it's kind of dark out. And then you come out, it's the morning. How did you do that? I don't know, but I did because I had that, I had been on two things that weekend and he said, you can't, you can't do a three, a three for, and I was like, that's honestly fair. So I did it at my, I got up at five 20 for the viewing of sunrise on, uh, for whatever reason, every single person there had, was in matching PJs, except for me and Tristan, as he did not provide me with the PJ set that was required of me. Oh, the movie was fabulous. I want to see it. I think you should read the book first. I think everyone should read the book first cause it's such a faithful adaptation. It's so great, but there's always more in the book. There's so many characters and you spend so much more time with them in the books. And this is a very sad one, which is clear. Cause like it's Haymitch's hunger games. Like, you know, we know how they end. We know there's only one person that, that makes it out and it's Haymitch. Um, the book is like, how, how does it end? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. How did that come to be? But like every single character that you get attached to in the games, it's like, you know, they're not long for this world and you get really attached in the book. So I would read the book and it's so good to me that this one felt like the, it had the spirit of the original trilogy. I want everyone to remember who put hunger games on the map. Yes. Connor discovered the hunger games. I almost wrote it. I know that's how early I was going to be a star for a long time. Was he, is he the main, the blonde young man? Yeah. I've no, I like, I forget what he was in first, but I, I saw something with him in it like very early. And I was like, yep, he'll be fit. He will be next one up. Uh, he was pretty damn good. Connor. I figured he would be. I haven't seen it yet. Yeah. It's not out. I don't think. Oh, well that's why I haven't seen it. Um, he was in Whitney peak, isn't it? which one was Whitney Peek? - Well, I don't know the characters, of course. okay well let me i've only seen the press run sure so whitney p oh she's so good and pretty he's dating my friend lucas i didn't know you i did not know she was dating her friend lucas lucas who um ansel who's lucas ansel he's one of my like og tiktok friends like i met him the same time i met you what yeah i can't i don't know where they are they're the top left you see yeah there he is i love the young man um i met him same time i met you like right around sweet and he's so funny oh yeah there's him and joseph wow but they were in montreal when i was there for just for laughs joseph looked like somebody we know well had a baby with somber joseph looks like somebody we know well had a baby with somber and and i don't see it like in the pictures but like once you and sadly you guys don't know the person that we know but once you are you asking are you saying think of oh you can see the somber i see the somber here yeah but um yeah it was really good and i hope that everyone reads the book first because i think that you should always read the book first really i do unless you're like yeah i if it's something that you're interested in and like then yeah it's the book is always going to be better so why would you deprive yourself of it kind of vibe but like if it's something you're just like oh cool i i reading a book is much more of an investment so if it's something that you're kind of just like ah whatever about of course just watch the movie but if it's something that you like truly have interest in and and like the hunger games i think you should absolutely read first maybe i'll read this now and again like with you guys i think you it's like read something that you know you will like and enjoy vibes challenge challenge exactly challenge accepted i hope yeah clang clang clang clang clang clang is a trolley oh that's what i was gonna ask you what do you know the trolley problem yeah i always forget it okay here let me walk you through it okay there's a trolley coming okay there's a huge problem massive here it goes it's it goes like a trolley and then you're like oh my god i'm gonna go to the trolley and i'm gonna go to the trolley and then you're like oh my god i'm gonna go to the trolley and i'm gonna go to the trolley and it goes like this and it goes like this and it goes like this now whoa deep talk about krillian talk about a deep talk about one on acrylic that's one on acrylic yeah and it goes like you want to hear another sound that's been stuck in my head that's horrible yeah that's the unexpected talking because i'm an inter i'm an internal super spy super spy that one i don't know horrible i've never heard that yes you have i've never heard that really really really brock i'm shocked no dead that one was really bad no genuinely dead okay sorry and you were saying the trolley problem goes like this you have the lever for whatever reason you're in control of this lever there's a trolley coming and fast you've got to make this decision do we leave tonight or live and die this way oh wait is it like it's one person you know that dies or five people that you don't know i mean that's not even a question to me bye five bye yeah i don't know you i'm sorry maybe you guys could have put more effort in to get to know me it's really not a question for me and like and if and then if someone yells at me for not being ethical i don't give i don't care okay you are the driver of a of a runaway trolley about to kill five people unless you switch the tracks do nothing five people die switch tracks one person dies oh i thought you knew the one person yeah well then in that case i don't know anybody why am i in charge oh i guess because it's like you are killed you're actively killing someone if you pull the lever oh like it's barreling towards the five people and that's the course that nature decided to take but you actually have stepped in what is that what is that web of what is that web right there is this a deeper thought there's one person on every track between the stations every track must be hit at least once before okay this is like a puzzle no no puzzles for me per on a personal level but thank you okay i'm i'm confused about the morality piece i think it's like you're at you're making an active choice to kill someone or just closing your eyes the lever as well or just letting the like letting it play out letting god this is just like a tale of two cities you know one city has one person in it one city is five person in it it's like which one do you kill you kill you have to do the greater good five people could have a one baby each or two babies each and those babies could have two babies each and then you've got potential more potential for one of them to become adele and we do need more adeles oh what if no i don't want to like put real people on the tracks but put some people people put people i know on the tracks what i i guess if it was like what if like adele is on one track and then it's like five like more minor artists okay so now we've now that's beefy uh-huh see this is what i'm saying about like so sorry to bring up incest again but like these are the conversations i like having like just like when we get into the ethic it's not like we're taking a side except for when we take sides except for when it's just i like i like these kinds of conversations it's okay to have these conversations we're deciding to do it with a mic in terms of public scrutiny which i'm sure ever the public will have scrutiny forever that's what we signed why do i love the public oh it's for me you like the for me it's the scrutiny part you love it i'm loving this yeah i'm addicted to it as well um that's a in terms of adele and five minor artists like i just don't want to know no but also now that's talking that's that's you've now removed the potential for greatness from everybody and you've just given me greatness and then it's like you put me in a tough spot because adele has done so much good and she's a good and she continues to do so much good person i don't know what everyone else has potential wise but unfortunately we'll never find out because i'm saving adele and every life it was always adele i drink wine is one of the best songs that i've ever heard agree or no i can't think of a of a song of hers that isn't to me adele is driving through a windy road and a convertible it's cool out it's crisp out we've got the heat on because you can afford that kind of thing you know yeah you've got a warm cup of of something maybe tea okay because it's adele out of respect for adele i'm doing tea yeah maybe a black or an earl gray and it is kind of like this kind of a here you're feeling a sense of accomplishment but there's a palpable sense of looking forward to the near future but not in a way that's volatile in a way that's like my word i i know that this will be great and i'm excited like a like a nice evening with friends that you haven't seen in a while that's what adele is to me crisp crisp air warm car i love beverages and a lovely evening you should write a book that's your that's your that's your lane it used to be i'm not in it used to be used to be i i once i wrote the book once how's second book lord sorry i pray for strength it's so different it's so so different it's so different different and different it's not bad i have to tell myself that different it's not bad um yeah it's it's it's been a very different process and i and i have to trust it and i'm having a hard time doing that oh because the process can be so shifty the process can be so shifty it is just like i feel like i've given this analogy a few times but i'll give it again phoebe i had i had had that like very loose idea since college and so it was always kind of there when i was writing kind of like if you have a slab of marble and you're like chipping away at it and then the sculptures has been there all along you know this is like building the sculpture from the ground up like i'm i'm writing about something that i've really just like never experienced um not that i've ever experienced not that i experienced all of phoebe but like a lot of that was taken from like my brain but this is just making shit up and it's very different and harder for sure yeah but i figure it out there yeah i'll figure it out because i will because i have to by the way you'll figure it out is my is my least favorite thing that so many people in my close life say i think my dad says that a lot you'll figure it out and i know that these people mean it but it does piss me off you don't believe because it's like but help me but help me but no one can help you the thing that does genuinely help me is like name a time you genuinely have figured it out specific name a time that like you genuinely just failed i don't want to you can't oh yeah because you have always figured it out i know i wrote that down on a sticky note long ago that's how i feel when it when i like let myself like my apartment get really disgusting and i just feel like i'll be living in filth forever and like i will never ever pick up this pile off the floor i have to remind myself like there's never been a time in your life where you've never ultimately ended up picking up the pile one day you know the pile will get that i have to tell myself that right now as there's there's a pile that's been there i'll be honest for you three months of just clothes that's just the pile it's just the pile and it's definitely one of the longer you know what terms here's here's what i can i want to give you a a little of like a little potato of advice you should personify the pile as your friend hi pile maybe say walk in say hi pile how are you pile and when the pile offers offers you any sentiment take take the advice from the pile the pile doesn't feel like it needs to be moved the pile is blooming where it's planted my cats love laying in the pile too so it's it's like rude thank you the pile thank you the pile like i don't my cats love it here like how how could i possibly who am i to remove the pile i i completely agree maybe think about pile is my friend think about the pile as a friend yeah yeah so anyway that's what i appreciate you i i did have the house the housekeeper that's in the apartment i'm in right now um she said why don't you have any hangers fair and i said i thought i was going home girl girl she's like i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't know yeah you've been living there huh i would put away your clothes but you don't have any hangers i go well i'm a full i'm a shelf guy yeah because hangers just like i mean hanging stuff up it's pretty miserable it's pretty damn it's a part of life that is that thing where it's like it takes three seconds to do this thing and it makes your life so much easier because then you create the pile and i go the pile i'm not threatened to buy the pile in fact i know exactly where everything is within the pile yeah because i've seen it completely last night cheryl crow was leaving cheryl cheryl crow was leaving and they were like i know they had some people in production had heard that i wanted to get her to sign my little card because i was the one that pulled the card that said you'll be dancing to all i want to do by cheryl crow and i was like i really wanted her to sign that they were like we'll go get it while you do the press why don't you just let us have your keys and i was like i don't want you to see my car yeah because i've kind of been living in that as well as my apartment and then i go who cares i wish like so many people live like us just like with piles and mess and just like i wish we could just be like yeah this is this kind of person like they will have piles and that's nothing that you should feel ashamed of no i'm wondering i'm trying to think of although if we just accepted it like would the pile ever get cleaned up well would the pile get worse you know like i i do think it's okay to have a little bit of shame regarding sure not necessarily the pile but like you didn't see my car yeah i see both sides yeah see both sides yeah because sometimes it's just like a very it's you think of it as like a temporary like let me just put this my my lunch i just finished in my car because i didn't have time let me just put this on the passenger seat and then you have someone in your car and it's like sorry about the fork in your ass like i was eating lunch in here totally and then like that doesn't land as well with people that don't eat lunch in their car and like that's okay they're not judging me for it but i do feel embarrassed when they get in my car and it smells like beef you know that i get i get yeah i get the smell piece yeah for sure my car doesn't smell you just said it smelled like sometimes it smells like beef when i eat the beef it just sucks because it's we i remember learning to eat beef when i was a kid i was like i'm gonna eat beef when i was a kid i'm gonna eat beef about matter out of place in science class once and it really resonated with me like if you were in the kitchen and it smelled like beef awesome but when you're in a different in a place that it's not supposed to smell like beef and it smells like beef it's deeply upsetting and that's a really good example of matter out of place yeah well said like if my bed smelled like beef i have to move is i don't even get to the bottom of it like i don't even tell me yeah don't even tell me what smelled like beef i'm out yeah so matter out of place is a really serious principle well said oh my god thank you i think the way i learned about it was like there was a hair in my sandwich and i was like oh that sucks that there's a hair in my sandwich and then my science teacher was like isn't that amazing that like when there's a hair on your head it's like so normal and like the least gross thing ever but the second that hair is somewhere it's not supposed to be it becomes revolting yeah you don't want to eat hair but yeah totally and then it's like whose hair is it whose hair it becomes like a gross thing yeah but then it's like whose hair is this you know what's weird is it's not even really the hair because if my hair falls out and it lands in my chipotle bowl i'm like oh it's it's what are you doing in here it's like not it's the fear of the unknown ultimately yeah fear of the unknown meets matter out of place maslow's hierarchy of needs we are so gifted and talented i know that i learned recently that the gifted and talented classes i was in growing up that i genuinely had like pride being in were about were for unmedicated kids that had severe adhd and other and otherwise i was always so jealous of you guys why because we needed extra time on our tests because i was just so normal like i was never in the advanced well i went to a weird school like we didn't have aps or anything we had these like advanced classes that were for like the one percent of like brainiacs who i couldn't even have a conversation with or the people who like definitely needed a little bit of extra support and then you had all these like average kids and i was always one of them and like i would have i didn't care if i was like i wanted to be either the kid who needed a lot of support or of extra support or the one percent it didn't matter to me yeah which i just wanted to be one of them but all good you wanted to be on the trolley yeah i wanted to be something to someone one day one day okay so jennifer lawrence is everywhere except in our studio she's going to be on watch what happens live with josh hutcherson for their first interview together in over a surprise that they're in sunrise on the reaping right did you know that i don't think that's a surprise i think that that's open knowledge like she's spoken about being in it she's in it they're in it for two seconds at the end but they're in it look at them they were children i know they don't look like children in this movie it's kind of like whoa but they were children you do look like him a little bit him yeah i can totally see that it's crazy he is like in i love la now you know is that show still going i think he got picked up for season two i don't know you officially renewed and it's like you're in season two not a world is he sorry is that the person that's in the top left it seems to be he seems to be oh my god i used to have the biggest crush on him what happened i don't i mean i guess i just like phased out but oh my god the amount of times i watched rocket man and mind you my number one song on spotify was his version of honky cat is it honky cat or tonky cat it's yeah honky it's honky cat you know that one with him it was him and richard madden like singing did you see the movie is it honky cat i think it's honky cat yeah oh i love this one i forget it but i love it i'm sure it's fabulous oh we will watch in the bonus wow exciting yeah i need to watch a movie like that very soon i haven't i haven't sat down and really like oh well i watched wedding crashers the other day oh how was that it's a brilliant piece i love vince vaughn i think we i think we were all so much happier when vince vaughn and um owen wilson were doing movies together i know you know what i watched for the first time and i didn't know existed the other day daddy issue daddy daddy's home with will ferrell and mark walberg why are you so good i really enjoyed it you're lying i'm not sadly he will is great i love when he plays Like, innocent doofus, like an elf. And he kind of came into that role in Daddy's Home. I like his role in Wedding Crashers as well. He is so verse. And because he's the same in Blades of Glory that he is in Wedding Crashers. Like, total womanizer, like, freak. I like that role for him. Or he can do elf. No, I like elf. I like both. You like both of them? Yeah. Well, oh, the other thing I was going to say. You know Xavier? Yeah. My friend. He is in Bad Monkey Season 2 with Vince Vaughn and he plays, like, a pretty significant role. Oh, my God. Yeah. Congrats to him. I know. It's going to be, I need to sit down and shut up and watch that very soon. I need to watch a new TV show. If I could do one thing on this planet, it would be to wipe my brain so that I've never seen The Office. I would do that with Veep. So that I could watch it again. Because all I do is just. I still do just watch Veep. All right. We got this. We got to wrap it up and go to bonus, I think, for a second. Yeah. I also just, I wanted to say something really quickly before we wrap up. I've been, like, pretty disappointed by the reaction to our episode with Riley last week. I think, you know, all three of us had, like, a really fun time. You know, I love Dancing with the Stars so much. It's become my favorite show. So I was really excited to have her on. And I'm also on my phone a lot. Oh, no. But I've been watching, like, or I've not been intentionally seeking them out. But, like, obviously, I'm addicted to my phone and TikTok. And I see all these edits that are kind of just painting me as, like, this, like, pining, like, pathetic loser, for lack of a better word. And it's really hurt my feelings. And I feel like I've. You know, worked too hard, both personally and professionally, to be seen like that. Yeah. Yeah, and it's just been really bothering me. And I wanted to say something about it so that if you're participating or engaging in that narrative, maybe you'll stop. Because it's really hurtful. And that's it. Well said. Thanks. Yeah. And I'm hoping that isn't fans of the podcast. It seems to be probably people outside. But, yeah, it's just lower the engagement because it pumps them back out. So just we could wrap that up. But we love you, Brooke. Thank you. I love you, too. And also, like, I'm good. She is A-OK. Thank you. She's our queen. OK, we'll go to bonus. Join us there if you want to. And I don't know if we have a code still for the bonus, but we have a code still for the bonus. It is Papa for a month free of bonus episodes. Fabulous. And we'll see you there. Bye, guys. This week on Close Friends, we are all victims of the patriarchy. Me on my cuck chair and you on your Kelly Clarkson can bring it crumbling down. There's so many options. That's a little huddy. Why? Like, pull it out. Pull it out. Stretch it. Reverse it. Flip it. And I always thought, like, when I was at my job and I was on Excel, I was like, this is the same as working. 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