The Olivia Wilde Renaissance

This BBC podcast is supported by ads outside the UK. This week on the interface, millions of kids have grown up on camera with their childhoods turned into content. There's a new law in California that gives influencers the right to be forgotten and it could impact adults too. And an attack on Russian data centers started a rumor that all the evil disinformation bots had been deleted from the internet. But the truth might actually be a lot scarier. For our take, join me, Jess Maddox, and me, Thomas Dremain, for the interface. Listen on BBC.com, or wherever you get your podcast. This episode of Please Don't Contains Adult Themes and Strong Language, so if you are allergic to one of those things, listen to something else on BBC Sounds. I've been creating a list of things that I think are notable at the moment. Okay. Okay. I'm just going to run it by you and I want your thoughts. Go on. Disney Adults. Please don't. Oh, that was tough. Harry Potter Adults. Please don't. Absolutely not. 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I don't want to be, like, misery gets about culture, but I think we are living through quite apathetic times, where people are consuming culture in a way that makes them feel nothing. And actually, we are two people who still feel quite passionately about the culture we consume. We have opinions about it. We care about it. We want it to be better. We care when it's not good enough. We care. Yeah. I think there's a space for some good criticism. People have forgotten how to be critics, how to watch things with their eyes open. I think it's crucial to say we're just going to do the stuff where we're interested in. You know, whenever things just like we've got a preview or everything we've got to mention, everything we've got to say, nah, I'm going to hand pick some stuff. And we have a lot of strong opinions about things that maybe you please could do less of in culture. But I also think we're quite positive and we like, oh, please do. I would like to encourage more of things I like. I also'd like to encourage more like being challenged about things I might not like. But I do, you know, I want us to be crowned as arbiters of taste. And I think by decreeing whether something is a please deal or a please don't, that will get us close to that goal. We're going to be here every Thursday on youtube.com. I know it. I think it's vital that you subscribe. And I don't think you knew this because I certainly didn't. But you can swipe right to hyper video. And I think everyone should do that immediately. Okay, I did want to talk about the cultural phenomenon that is Olivia Wilde. Is she on a redemption arc? Because I just think she seems to have both come out of nowhere and been around forever had this big controversy of Don't Worry Darling because Darling I was worried for a lot of that. The only thing I did do was worry. And now she seems to be on a sort of atonement tour revenge tour. Atonement feels a word redemption perhaps. Redemption arc. I think she's on an upswing. Don't worry Darling for anyone that's been living under a rock. I know what I heard the rumor was. Shilabuff was on the film and left. And then that just was a domino effect of all this stuff. Can I remind you of something that was all anything anyone spoke about for about a week and has completely been raised from the cultural psyche? Remember that video where people thought Harry Styles had spat on Chris Park? Yeah, what were we on? The actual chat about it really overshadowed what is essentially a completely fine film. I think it's important to remember that Olivia Wilde has denied anything on toward happened on the set with Florence Pude that it's all very kosher. So that was where we were about two years ago? The thing is I was like she's fine whatever. They've had this little drama because nobody can resist the pure animal attraction of Harry Styles. Like I don't think he's doing it on purpose. I think it's who he is. Yeah he can, I don't know. I had dinner with him once. He said my name is three times completely unnecessarily and I have been in love with him ever since. Like he was like oh how are you doing Raven? Good to see you Raven and I was like what have you won? Where are we going? Where are we going? Shall I run you a bath? His presence is really powerful and I'm not you know I am infected easily and infectious myself but it was you were easily dazzled. The whole room is sort of like starts to swirl around him quite quickly. It was getting incredible. Oh wow. I've heard the only other person like that is Bill Clinton that people that charisma just it's just like everyone's like wow it's like oscillating out of them. The two most characters like that earth. So I get it. I went to see the invite and I was like oh holy shit Olivia is just this incredible cultural force and we've just completely overlooked that because we were too busy worrying whether or not her co-stars spatter another ghost star. Yeah it's really good. A couple who are having marital difficulties. Mm-hmm. Invite the slightly peculiar upstairs neighbors over for cheese and it goes from there and it's enjoyably compressed and it's four actors and everyone's absolutely killing it really. Yeah actually Seth Rogen is killing it because he's not like by the way I smoke weed by the way I smoke weed by the way which is kind of a little bit but he pulls back. We feel a very strong connection with you guys. That is so nice thank you. Yeah. I'll say thank you Joe. Thank you Harry watering. For me the invite does something really clever which is it feels like a play and that's my favourite kind of film it really did. It feels like you don't it's like one set they're walking around it. What I really liked about it is like how long the scenes were. I feel like so this is like a weird book bear of mine but I just think so many recently cut TV and film things of they're so fast. Yeah. And it's always like they're made with half an eye on being ripped off on TikTok or for a TikTok sort of Instagram reel. Yeah attention span. And I loved that that first scene was really gloopy and long and they sort of they fell into an argument and then out of it again and then sort of back into it again and then boom they do the title thing and you're like 20 minutes in. Because they go out and start the night again. Yeah but they just have the same argument. Yeah. For me it's like please don't make films for my cracked out TikTok brain. Yeah please make me sit there and watch it. Please make films for my old attention span. Yeah. Thank you. I'd love to enjoy this. I didn't think I was going to get four Oscar worthy of performances from the four central characters. Yeah. And I also think it speaks so deeply to like what it's like to be in a long-term relationship and be in love and hate that person at the same time but to know them so intimately that you're like your fucker. It's sort of one of those films that you know when you are on the outs with someone and then you watch a film or a TV show where we're like a couple break up. Yeah. And you both just sit very still. Yes. Just sit very still through that one. Very still not having sex. Just very still just hope they don't notice that I'm here. It's like there are T-Rex. A lot of people would text to me like Ed Norton Hart is hot, huh? Yeah, of course. I thought he always was hot but I guess he's a bit more underdog. I don't think he's meant to be hot in Fight Club. His alter ego is meant to be hot. Spoilers! He's an alter ego. If you've not watched Fight Club yet, I'd do the same person. A cultural podcast on the BBC. Somehow that's missed you. I think if you haven't seen Fight Club, that's fine. Watch it and you'll get a lot of the references we'll be doing because we'll be talking about Meatloaf tits. I'm sure I'll come sooner. More than once. I hope she gets lots of accolades for what she's done. I agree. And also just for a personal point of view because I hate Ted Lasso and I'm by extension. I hate Jason Stadekerson. Yeah. I'm glad to see her win in that one. My position with Ted Lasso is for child-brained idiots. It's so saccharine. Yeah, I think for you clearly, it is just like a forever please don't. I feel like it's just going to go on forever and people are going to be like, oh, it's-- Oh, you think it's going to be like grazing after me? Yeah, it's so cozy in it. And they're all friends at the end of it, aren't they? Row up. I think my problem is now with Jason Stadekerson because he had the potential to be really funny. He was so good in 30 rock. He was great on SNL. And then he decided to make four of the most insipid seasons TV ever based on a character he did in an advert. Wow. That's a drop-off, man. And they'll live your wilds fucking Harry Styles while you're doing that. No, what has ever been more of a loser than that? I want your sex is the is coming after the invite. She plays an artist who is has a muse has a boy and they has a boy. They have like a sexual relation to your explanation. That's the boy, man. Two people have sex, right? It's really hard to explain it. She is an artist and they go on a sexual adventure together. Right, I think what I like about the prospect of a film like that is if you reverse the genders, you'll work, that's most John Updike short stories. Wow. It's like, "Oh, I'm a professor and I just have sex with one of my students." If you reverse, my wife got a bit fat and I had to have sex with a student. Incredible. So I think sort of inverting that classic trope of literature of like an academic or a muse or an artist or a mentor and they kind of have a sex or they kind of shouldn't, which kind of makes it a bit spicier. It's a bit of a nepotupus, isn't it? Because it's got nepotupus. Cupid, good in junior, junior, junior in it. Sure. And it's got one of the Hoffman's. One of the Cupid Hoffman. She's got a third film, Behemoth. Behemoth, is it Behemoth or Behemoth? I have to say the reason I ever learnt this word is because there was a robot, a robot was. And I believe the robot was commentator Jonathan Pierce, was pronouncing it Behemoth. And it's with Pedro Pascal. Yes. We're not bored of Pedro yet. I don't think I've actually ever seen him in anything. No, gladiated to back in the habit. Yeah, I saw him in like that episode of Game of Thrones where his head exploded. Oh, I only did the first season of Game of Thrones and I was like, I get it, but it's not for me. It's worth going and seeing his head get exploded. Well, speaking of Olivia, we're not the only people with opinions of her. You can tell us yours. You can email us. Raven and Joel at bbc.co.uk. Tell us what do you think of her? From one iconic woman to another. Yes. We only talk about iconic women here. Today? Today. We might talk about some losers down the line. Anyway, um, a bit of a couple of weeks. Yes. But I'm still, uh, personally shocked on reeling from a news that Amelia DeMoldeberg is no longer doing. Chicken shop date. It's over. Which is. It's over for you, Hose. Firstly, we should both acknowledge that we know Amelia. One of my favourite dining out stories is that she was my intern. She was also my intern. She was my intern and she's done a little bit better. She has done significantly better than either of us. Yeah. Have you ever. To date. She. She was my intern. I had her in the secret center. Wow. It was a five pound cap. I got her a really posh lip cell. Yeah. But bees. kisses. Wow. And she opened it and she said, "Does everyone think my lips are dry?" In front of the whole office and I was like, "Oh, wow." I was like, "That's like the jolly story I've ever heard of her where she doesn't come off great." Oh, no! It wasn't. No, it was quite funny because obviously she. Oh, one of her jokes. She wasn't crying, running out, being like, "Everyone thinks I'm ugly." She was like, "Oh, is there something my lips are dry?" It was another. It was one of those problems with jokes. She did awkward moments from the Queen of them. Not to over-reg it too much, but I do think it's a very significant achievement. Agreed. She started it completely on her own. Yeah. Just an idea that a 17-year-old had. The media landscape was very different back then. The big media houses were slowly turning their ships around and pivoting to video. Yeah. And not quite getting it. True, true, true. And I think what she instantly did was she got something that people immediately liked and wanted to watch in their droves and their millions. Obviously, it's a lot easier now to book a celebrity because it's become such a part of the the tour that you're available for hot wings and you're available for chickens. I know that you're allowed to do both. And you know that little film boy who always shows you tickets from films he's been to. Who the hell is that? This is like the train guy. No, the train guy's the top gear guy, keep up. There's like a film guy and now every time you've got a film out, you have to go and do a little junket with him and he goes, "I'm sorry, could we just do one more question please?" And then there's like, "We haven't really got time and he does it every fucking time." Wow. I've got a ticket stop here from a film you were in. Sorry, is it a bit? I don't know what it is, but I don't like it. I don't like it. Oh, you have to do that now. It's part of you. If you're doing a mission impossible, you have to look at a boy's film ticket and go, "That's interesting." Conversely, what if they are so bored of junkets? Like you know in Notting Hill when it's like Houghton Town magazine and then they're just all in the hotel going round and round. Maybe they're like, "I'd fucking love to eat some spicy chicken." Yeah. See if I can endure it. Yeah. Maybe they just love that. Tom Hanks is like, "Get me in the chicken shop." Paul McCartney did it. Yeah. And he notoriously had vegan chicken. It's had vegan above. And I wrote as a comment. I can't believe he's eating chicken RIP Linda, right? Very funny. Obviously, I know he's vegan. You know how many DMs I got about that? Over 400. McCartney's got shooters. McCartney's fans do not mess. They're not messing. They're like, "It literally says vegan above his head." This comment has been up for two hours. Yes, I'm joking. But Linda really did do a lot for the sausage. So I wonder how much of a decision to move on from chicken shop day is to move on to a different format that people can just get over? I think one thing is you reach the pinnacle, where does it go from there? And she's decided to go out on a high, which I respect that clip of her flirt with Andrew Garfield. I keep a lot of folders on my Instagram. And there's certain videos that I classes always watch. Yes, okay. And that's one of them. What else is on there? Watch it down. There's a really good video of a guy in a New York Bodega wearing a shiasty and all his friends abandon him off for it. Wow. And that is heaven. Do you know what I quite like? Victoria Beckham in 2073 questions? Yeah. Really good. Yeah. Classic of a genre. We have slightly different algorithms, I feel. What do you think the next format should be? The next format for Amelia? Yeah. Something's just really unchickening. Honestly, I would just like, I don't think we have enough chat shows. We don't have enough, like. You're crazy that you think chat shows are something that people are watching. It's virtually impossible to get a chat show off the ground. Right. No touristy, one of the hardest things to ever do. You know what, I was watching the other day. I was watching Chatty Man. Wouldn't you love to have Chatty Man back? Anyway, I like chat shows. I think we should have, we need a young chat show host. I want to see, basically, I want to see a format where she talks to them all, because I do think she's a very good interview. She's very disarming and charming. What she does so well is, like, she knows her interviewee inside and out. So her research is so rigorous, which is incredible on the sort of red carpet and the office goods kind of night, because there's a lot of people that could get picked to talk to you. And I think she would be an amazing talk show host. But I actually think it's really hard to get a talk show off the ground. Let's play a fun hypothetical game. Yes, I would love a chat show. Sorry, what? What's the game? Who do you want to see a chat show from? It's not fair, because I think about Nigella all the time. I just would watch her do any. So I was like, who would you want to see on the traitors, Nigella? Yeah. Who do you think she would present SNL? Nigella. Nigella. Imagine the. Imagine the skits with Nigella, with Nigella. Would be good. See? I always, obviously, you know, I'm a sort of. I'm a Ryland guy. Oh, do you know what the funniest thing about Ryland is? I interviewed him once in the pandemic. Do you know he has a big brother, chair, like, Diary Room in his house? It is phenomenal. Please don't, with media. I think the main one is, please don't go away. I would just like to make a personal plea to all of our former interns. Please don't keep outperforming us in every single metric of our careers. What do you think she's going to do next? I think that's the move. Email us and let us know. I want wacky ideas. Did you know that because culturally we eat so much chicken, you know, like, the Iron Age, there's, like, a crust of Iron around the Earth and, like, when they dig stuff up, this is the chicken age. And in millennia, they will be, like, they'll get to the chicken level of the Earth because we're just eating so much chicken. Isn't that horrible? Well, that is so. They'll be like, "Oh, we've reached the chicken age in the human history." Where have we got that from? My friend told me she used to work at Channel 4. The chicken age? Yeah, they're like going to be, like, a crust of chicken in, like, landfill. Raven, what does that mean? It means that when you're digging down in, like, a hundred thousand years, you'll be, like, the Jurassic period, the Iron Age, the chicken era. I don't think that's true. And in many ways, that's Amelia's legacy. This week on The Interface, millions of kids have grown up on camera with their childhood started to come. For our take, join me, Jess Maddox. And me, Thomas Germain, for The Interface. Listen, on BBC.com, or wherever you get your podcasts. (upbeat music) Autumn is coming. Winter's coming, but Autumn's coming first. Autumn's coming first, yeah. And there is going to be a lot of. It's a big time for like new TV, new film, new other stuff. Almost like spring for culture. Autumn is spring for culture. And I think this is as good a time as any to do a sort of. I want to say a drop through what's coming up. I want to drop. Maybe it's a canter. Like who knows how fast we'll go? Perhaps we gallop. You control the speed. I'll see what the finish line. Let's trot through culture. Where would you like to start? I'm personally excited for celebrity traders. Oh. Well, we'll be off the next series, probably. Imagine if we start getting hired as a two piece. And we'll add and deck. Do we have to figure out which way we always start? It's like when I drive the car instead of Richard and we're like deck and ant, like it's creepy. It's bit weird, isn't it? Would you be good on it, do you think? No. I would be out. It doesn't matter whether I'm a trader or a faithful. My personality is getting me around table or a murder. I think first couple of days it is properly a bit like God, him at breakfast again. And also I just think I would take it so. It is so personal for someone to say you are the kind of person that I don't trust. That is what I get from you as you're on your personality. Unless you're a trader and then you're like fair. I do think trader suffers from not having people who bear enough grudges. I would remember every accusation that had been thrown at me. Yeah. Everyone's just like, oh, the next day they're all friends again. Not. I'm remembering every side. It's difficult because if you don't play a social game you're out. Who's in it, Maya Jammer? I know you're in my jammer fan, I don't even need to ask. She's one of those women who, for my own good, I all follow it on Instagram. Don't want to get drawn because I send a DM to Maya Jammer. Obviously you should ever go see it, but you have to wake up and know that you've done that. I've been out drinking with Maya Jammer after I interviewed her. No. We went to G.A.Y. late. You've got Maya Jammer, yeah. Mahala. The thing is about her being there is that like season one was very like, who wants to be a national treasure. Yes. And I don't have a problem with that sense of like, these people are just kind of stalwarts of like, cozy culture, which is fine, right? Of the knitting and the sporty bits. I quite like that about that. And I think this new season is a bit more spicier in terms of casting. Yes, I think she's going to be sitting there being like, who the hell is like, Penelope from the good life? Yeah. And that's going to be part of her superpower is that she doesn't have, I don't think she has the British historical culture references to respect. That's interesting. That's actually good. Which will make her really great and successful. Yeah, if you've heard about England in there, because they, I mean, they're a young American. A young American. They're not going. She doesn't know who Claibalding is even now. Even now. Even now. James A. Cast is in there. Oh, amazing. So who else is in it? It's quite, it's a hell of a line up. There's 21 of them. So far, we've, we've got four. No, we've got five. We've got two. Should we read the list out? Yes, please. We're ready now. Okay, go. A media reaction. Action cam. Abel Rajan. Please, don't. [LAUGHTER] Telegrams in. Love. And a fry. She's good. Jerry Hall. Oh, I shot with Jerry Hall last year. Jerry Hall will tell you know in the-- she'll be like this. I don't think so, sugar. She's saying no in a way that makes it through, like, yes. She's amazing. King Kenny. What? King Kenny. I'm sorry, that goes. Excuse me. King Kenny. King Kenny. I'm not familiar with King Kenny. King Kenny's there. He has box. Ah! Wait, is he a YouTuber? YouTube return box. There you go. Michael Jean. Oh, really fun. I hope he's doing-- He'll do his little voices, wouldn't he? No, I hope he's doing, like, Tony Blair. He does the whole game. He was Tony Blair. He's like, it's me, Tony Blair. Yeah, that would be good. Miranda Hart. Yeah. Tricky, she's really like my mum. There's a bit of a Miranda Hart, Jean in my family. It was like falling over, having no reason. Mahala and her having a chat would love to see it. The height difference there would be, yeah. The height difference and the similarity in, like, topics that they would talk about. What are those? No, I think. Who else would go? Because we don't have an age, isn't it? Risk deep runs. Oh, wow, fun. Ross Kemp. Ross Kemp's doing it. Now, see, this is my-- So, former soap star. This is my shit. Ross Kemp. Ross Kemp, on traitors. That's going to be great. Three things about Ross Kemp, I love. Every time England do well in a tournament, he posts the most unhinged video. What tournament? I'm joking. Like the one where he's like tearing his shirt off or like crying and like holding daft deals and stuff. Come on, England. Come on, England. You just keep it calm. Keep it calm. Go. Two. Come on, England. Shut them up. Shut that crowd up. Shut everybody out. Come on, England. Come on, England. Two. Two. Two. Two. Two. Two. Two. I love you. And then also, for some reason, he's in an advert at the moment, with like the likeness of Albert Einstein. Wow. Who came up with that? Has he talked to it? Or is it like an image? Yeah, he's like a-- Hello, Einstein. What does he ask Einstein? I don't know. I've never seen it off mute. I've been watching it in the pub. I back Ross Kemp. He's my-- Me too. He's who I'm back in. You have nothing to talk about if you're not watching traitors. Because that's all anyone we'll be talking about. I'm really excited, genuinely, very excited, for this Nathan Field Elizabeth Holmes story. Terrified, right? I'm terrified. It's the scariest thing to come to A24 in a long time. The preview, which I watched multiple times, is scary. Yeah. Why would I deceive you? There's no reason for me to do that. OK. All right. OK, good chat. You're being real right now. You're always being real. Basically, they're two very powerful freaks here. Oh, because, you know, she does not blink. Elizabeth Holmes is-- what was it? It was Theranos. She was basically a scammer. The thing is, I don't think she believes she was a scammer. No, she doesn't. She doesn't think she believes she was a grifter. I think-- OK. She's like, it was about to work. Yeah, in it. Weird. It's documentary that Nathan Fielder has made with Elizabeth Holmes, the famous Theranos scammer, who doesn't quite blink enough. And he interviewed her. She gave him in the Landshop and Heim access to her house for a few months before she went to prison. She's in prison. She's still wearing a black turtle neck. Not in the-- not in this. No, she's changing. Not in the white clouds. But what's interesting for me-- No, it's a white blouse. The blouse of innocence. Yes. What's interesting for me is the Elizabeth Holmes story has been told quite a lot. Because that year, I liked two shows came out. Also, hot take. Fundamentally, it's not that fascinating. A story. No, she scams some investors out of money. So, for her to be the subject of a documentary by what of the most interesting artists currently working, means there's something there. This isn't just Louis Theroux bopped around the house going, "Do you really believe that you can change blood?" Like, it's beautiful and artistic, just in that one small clip we've seen of it. Yes. Nathan fielded with the rehearsals, made two of the most interesting series of TV ever. I loved the curse as well. And he's obviously like, you can see the seeds of his fascination with people even back in the Nathan for you era. He's so good at finding a person who's a natural subject for something. And then he is so clever at letting them sort of hang themselves with their own rope. Yeah, what I was going to say was, we are so sort of led emotionally by content at the moment. Things are trying to make us feel happy or sad. And there is something so rewarding about feeling incredibly uncomfortable, watching two people interact. It's why I watch the apprentice. That's why people watch things don't. But when things go, when things are cringy, it's like it's the most alive you can feel on a weeknight. Yeah. But my position is this documentary wouldn't exist unless something weird had happened. Or there is some story that we don't like that is added on to this. Definitely. This Nathan field wouldn't be involved if this was just a straight-up access documentary. I think actually part of Scamming people is to not actually believe you're scamming them is to believe that you are doing something for the greater good It's very cold-ish actually two mad lads just going nuts on a 24 documentary of real nice color grading Love it. That's for me that one of the things I'm most looking forward to Seeing this autumn is the Bayou tapestry the beat up the be the big BT. Yeah It's a good tapestry bad. Well of all the tapestries Carol Kings I can't make an American quilt the sisterhood of the traveling pants is kind of a tapestry of sorts This is the one. This is the big one the longest the biggest tapestry and longest doesn't always mean best It's slightly obsessed with everyone see me to think it's completely healed any Funny business we Britain has with France funny business, but you know what I mean Are you going to go see it absolutely? I'll cue for it like a cue for the queen. I didn't So I would have had I been bothered okay I spoke to a guy who went and saw it day one. Yeah real tap head. Yeah, you know like those guys He's got bed sheets. Yeah, you know those guys who like took a day off work To do the first day of Elizabeth line You know that like this trend in France of like stealing great works of art I imagine it's not in general. It's like sliding under a security door. You just dropped a Renoir. Yeah, but We what what part of the tapestry would you steal the main part of the best the arrow arrow in the eye? It is the best bit in it cluster around that That's another thing like we don't make tapestries anymore. We don't shoot Kings through the eye anymore You don't make tapestries anymore Because behind the plate. Yeah, we need to bring back the old ways. I'm not wishing the king dead. Yeah, but like God wouldn't it be class if if he died in a battle what else is on the tapestry over the the bit where he's come it Is a quite a famous part of it. I believe that's there's four women So maybe I'll take a stripper woman on my way towards the security deal woke Yeah, yeah For Emily's do a bit of the bay of tapestry. Well, what are the good bits? No, just one of the four women one of the one only named woman on the whole thing I'll take that okay. Don't ask me her name Mary Magdalene. I couldn't tell you they don't really have women back You know that you also know that the arrow in the eye is a restitch Initially it was in his hand and they unpicked it and put it in his eye So I think they created a more noble death. What would you choose as your noble death? I get hit by a lorry pushing a a really friendly dog out of a road. Oh, that's lovely actually god bless Harold Well, yeah, maybe who were they fighting against you know what I'm the new man's 1066 Weight debover to read the plaque on the wall about the tapestry. I don't know enough about it You're gonna scatter cue all I care about is getting a funky die. Yeah, and a sock. Do you think there's gonna be a Wilders sexy pickup scene at the beat up. You know how like when you're making a hinge profile You want to look as cultured as you can so you have a you have a photo of you looking to one side in a museum Yeah, and then the next one is like laughing in salad at the beat and then one that's like proof that you have at least two of Friends and you've been to the pub. Yeah, and then one that shows that you have a different angle to your face Yeah, you realize that there's only one you use. Yeah I think we should we should make a firm Commitment to not always be a negative Nellies. Yes, and that means please do's to take us out please do watch the hills Tell me why aren't we watching the hills. Yeah, okay. I think there's something about nascent Reality TV. I just remember a lot of pieces about it being like is it real and it is one of the fakes thing They'll ever see like they bump into each other on the street, but there's cameras like bump into each other They're not at an event, but there is something brilliant about watching the kind of Eve of what has now become bread and butter for culture the drama is so low stakes For example, will Lauren leave the vogue shoot did teen vogue shoot on time? That is a whole episode I just think it's nice to rewatch something that is like of reminds you of a time in your life It's a bit like listening to Madonna every era of your life has a Madonna track that goes with it That's what happens when you have a big artist of such longevity and the thing I liked most about when I went to see Madonna Is that everyone is having a moment like a prayer, but it's very personal that's how I feel about the hills sort of I don't know if I should have compared it to Madonna. I've been rewatching Barry Barry from EastEnders Guys, we're going to need a break if he's going to keep doing this No, it's a HBO show Starring Bill Hader yep from I want to say 2018 To 2024 if I was going to make a rough guess is it only just fin it well Yeah, no two years of a lapse and it was it was it's one of the modern perfect shows It's absolutely brilliant. He's an assassin. Oh, I'm already in yeah With like complex PTSD from being a war he discovers An acting troupe and he changes his life a lot of coming actor, but he can't escape the demons Well, the assassins. Oh, other assassins. So it's like it's so darkly funny Some of the actual sequences are like some of the best you'll ever see for no reason to talk like They're beautifully directed. It's really cinematic and then it's really funny So much of the stuff about like Want to be actors is just so well observed and written my number two one I'm reading Switsy by Emma Klein, which I fucking love. It is just please do read it a guy is flying from America to Get euthanized Oh, I'm into that. Yeah, so it's he's at the end of his life and he's looking back on it cool It's really cool. It's also really witty and sad, but not in it not worship down sad I've recently been enjoying a video from four in a bed. Have you seen this? Oh, wow It's a really good clip. It's worth going on Facebook and looking up you know the four in a bed concept Yes, I do who are the people in a bed? Yeah, I'm pulling down No, you know, it's just one of those sort of sleepy daytime shows that you only watch Like if you if you're ill and on the sofa. Yeah, yeah, if you get locked into a good week of four in a bed Yeah, you are gonna have a great two and a half hours I'll have bleached it over dusting all the getting up at five to make too many sausages like eggs anywhere you want them It's sent them all mad eggs any style I suppose like your entire reality is probably rocked when you do think that cereal boxes of that big law That's very me and my grandma's health. So there's a really good clip of a guy cheating basically. How well you know The the the sister five in a bed you say the sister the system of Of scoring the game is is how much you over or under pay for the room. Okay, so a lot of people are trying to be underhand They're trying to go. Oh, well, you know, there's a little bit of dust and that so we had to underpay you by 46 pounds And we didn't think it was worth it. Yeah, like so what does he do? He overpays by 220 quits himself. No, you can't do that No, but he overpays the couple who were just nicest because he wants to fuck them all over So he says it was worth it But also I wanted to do it just so you two wouldn't win. He's a good Samaritan. It was class Yeah, then he turns to the camera you guys The way I see it is I cheated to stop the other cheaters from winning Wow get him on the celebrity traders Thank you for joining us on please don't I've had a blast Joel might might not have who knows I've been fight or flight will he even come back next week Is the question will he fly or fight thanks for joining us if you have any please do's or please don't you want to share Send us an email raven and Joel at bbc.co.uk We've really liked for you to subscribe to us wherever possible Yeah, so I'm gonna tell you where YouTube is is a good one. That's first. 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