The Old eCom Model Is Dying. Here's What Replaces It in 2027
from eComFuel Podcast
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The podcast explores a fundamental shift in e-commerce strategy, moving away from high-growth, paid-ad-driven models toward durable, passion-led "craftsman brands." With Meta costs rising and profit margins collapsing, businesses are reevaluating their priorities. Data shows that companies with deep founder investment in their products—such as Road ID and Ugg Monk—build loyal, long-term customer bases through word-of-mouth and authentic engagement. This model emphasizes depth over size, lean operations, and genuine care for the product, leading to resilient businesses that survive market volatility. The speaker highlights three key questions entrepreneurs should ask: are they prioritizing depth or size? Are they investing in their own marketing channels? Do they truly care about what they sell? Real-world examples and community insights suggest that sustainable growth comes from emotional connection and operational simplicity. Additionally, financial data reveals that owners who pay themselves salaries and distribute profits consistently achieve higher growth and net income, indicating that financial discipline supports business health. Ultimately, the future of e-commerce lies in authentic, human-centered brands that endure beyond trends, reflecting a return to foundational values seen in early business models—where trust and passion built lasting legacies.
Hey, it's Andrew here and welcome to the EconFuel podcast.
These should dedicate to helping seven and eight-figure brand owners build incredible businesses
and amazing lives.
And then according to this in early November, Halloween just wrapping up had a big Halloween
party this weekend was a lot of fun and getting to be crunch time for most people listening
to this.
Ever Monday they kind of kick off to the holiday madness coming up.
So for all the planning, all of the strategizing, the laying of plans that you're doing now,
that's the luck.
It's a lot happening in the trenches, so so Godspeed with all of it and good luck with
the planning.
And today is kind of a quick little episode with just me, got a bunch of fun episodes coming
out the next two to three weeks, including a bunch of stuff, AI with paid ads, some really
interesting things people are doing with that, talking with AI with customer service, some
of the fun things people are doing with that.
And of course, the end of your predictions episode with Bill Dallas Andrew, which I always
love doing coming up soon, but had a little gap in the schedule and wanted to talk quickly
about post post, it was the biggest, it was probably the biggest discussion in ECF last
month in October.
And also one that kind of ties into something I've been thinking a lot about in terms of
where Econ is going.
So that's where we're talking about today, let's get into it.
Before we start, here's a question most Econ owners can't answer honestly.
Are your numbers actually good?
Not compared to last year, but compared to other businesses at your revenue level.
Every year we survey the members of Econ fuel, it's our private community for seven and
eight-figure store owners.
And this year 300 of them shared everything margins, growth rates, traffic mixes, team
sizes, inventory turns, how much they're pulling out of the business, favorite channels.
It goes on and on and on.
And we built a benchmarking guide that breaks it all down and compares everything and puts
it into revenue cohorts.
So you're comparing yourself against businesses of your actual size.
So it's an apple to apples comparison.
It's free.
You can download it as a listener and just go to ecommerce fuel.com/blueprint to find out
where you're strong and where the real opportunities are to improve your business.
All right, let's get into it.
All right, I wrote about this in my newsletter this weekend.
If you are not on that, you can head on over to ecommerce fuel.com/newsletter.
It's called "The Behind the Curtain Newsletter," talking about how to build an incredible
business and amazing life, send it about twice a month.
And the title of that post and kind of the encapsulation of, I think, the big idea here
is that the 2019 Econ Playbook about, you know, five, six, seven years ago needed money
for meta.
And it doesn't work so well anymore for a lot of people.
And the new craftsman model that I think is going to work and is going to be much more
popular and something that's going to last needs a product people talk about in patients.
And this all came out of, like I mentioned, a big discussion.
The Dave Strickland posted in the forums in the CF.
He also posted this on X, so it was interesting because there's a lot of conversation in both
places.
And Dave runs a company called Popsmith along with his founder, Tal, his co-founder, Tal
Moore.
Amazing popcorn machine.
These beautiful, just designer-esque kind of stove top poppers.
We have one.
We love it.
Our kids love it.
It's a lot of fun to make popcorn to them.
And they've been running it for, oh man, a number of years now.
And he, Dave did a really interesting write-up where he compared a lot of his numbers from,
you know, 2019, pre-COVID, to where we are today in terms of every, you know, all sorts
of different metrics.
And I'm just going to jump right to the punchline.
Give you the three, three or four biggest numbers that stood out to me.
And for him, he said, you know, he looked at his manufacturing costs and they were up
50% in the period.
Paid traffic costs were up 80%.
Shipping costs were up 63%.
And, you know, maybe the most noticeable one.
Obviously those numbers alone don't explain it, but net net contribution margin, you know,
it's the amount of, they were, not of profit they were seeing after all was said and done
after fulfilling every order with down 95%.
Percent.
And so, you know, you think like, obviously, this isn't new if you're listening to this.
Meta has been a challenge.
Meta is getting more expensive in e-commerce, right?
Like it happens with any kind of maturing industry.
And I think, you know, one of the interesting things along this, this too, is the big brands
are still getting built, right?
Like, you know, you hear about and you see, especially under generations building big
shops on TikTok shops, you know, putting up nine figure businesses right now.
And you know, I'm sure some of them are doing it profitably, some of them are, you know,
I just crushing it and, you know, awesome, more power to them for that.
But I also know that some of the savviest people running TikTok shops that I chat with
have admitted that the channel turned unprofitable this year.
Because I recently, and they're still trying to work out quite what that means.
What that means for the long term business, for the strategy.
And to me, the more interesting question right now in a maturing industry with the world
changing so fast with a lot of other things, including AI, is not how do you build something
big, but how do you build something with this durable, that lasts, that has longevity?
And if you listen to the podcast for a while, you know, I've been championing this concept
of small, durable brands for years, and the branding is terrible.
The small, durable brand sounds like, sounds like something you'd, you'd pipe the hardware
store to clean your garage.
I think the term craftsman brands has a better ring to it.
I'm probably going to go with that going forward.
And I really think that that's the model that this shift is favoring it and who, you
know, the, the MO that's going to work in five years from now.
And, you know, when you think about a craftsman brand, I think
the things that define that are a brand that is selling a product that the owner, that
the team, that the operator's deeply care about, right?
It's not just like, hey, go on, finding something, you know, some, some Jim Bro selling skincare
products, because he knows it's, he's going to be able to market it to, to women.
I think it's Jim Bro's, nothing is women, but I think the people that are going to build
real craftsman brands are going to deeply care about the things that they are selling.
I think this used to be a liability 10 years ago, because I think you could, there was
so much opportunity.
There was so much ground for just figuring out a confusing, non mature industry.
But now I think passion actually is a huge competitive advantage.
So that's one facet of it growth that is largely powered, not entirely, but largely powered
by word of mouth, which takes longer to scale, right?
But it's far stickier once it is there.
And doesn't mean you can't use paid for people listening to the show.
They've realized that I've kind of come around to using paid strategically, because partly
out of necessity, partly out of past ignorance.
But I do think, you know, having a lot of word of mouth is, is good brands, great brands
have word of mouth.
And the third one is lean, which is why AI showing up right now is a pretty good moment.
You know, you don't have lots of overhead, you don't have tons of agencies doing your
stuff.
You kind of figure out what works, you run a team leanly, you 80, 20 things.
So those are the three things, I think, like make up a craftsman's brands.
And when I think about craftsman brands that embody this really well, Edward Zimmer's
road ID, man, such that guy did a podcast with him this last six months, we'll really
get up to that.
He has been building his brand along with his family for 20, I think, oh, man.
So I'll play a fact check here, but close to 20 years, if not 20 years.
It was inspired when he got ran off the road on a bicycle, didn't have any ID on him.
And he's very passionate about keeping biker safe, right?
And he's still a founder who's in the details after two decades with a passionate fan base
at a product that he deeply cares for and people refer and recommend, right?
And his business is not going anywhere.
Like, you know, maybe he has a little softening if, if meta performance slows down a little
bit, but he has a very, very durable business.
I mean, another one that comes to mind is Jeff Scheldon's Ugg Monk.
I don't know Jeff Well, I think he was probably on the podcast years and years ago.
But I've always been impressed with just his Apple-esque productivity and desk products.
He designs over them, he obsesses over them, and he has a team that helps him out.
But he's, you know, he's kind of the Steve Jobs of his brand, putting out these beautiful
products that help, you know, founders and people working at their desk, be more organized
and productive and enjoy it more.
And I haven't talked to him in a while, taking a couple of guesses here, but I'm guessing
even if advertising for him dried up tomorrow, he's got such a long history with such a list
and such brand loyalty that he can email that list when new products come out and he'll
do just fine.
So when I think about, I mean, even Econ Fuel, when I think about the world we're going
into, I started to think about, I've always thought about it, or, you know, our community
like this in these terms is craftsman brand style thing, but I've been thinking more about
it in those terms.
Like, I've been spending less time marketing and more time trying to connect with our top
membership to really get to know them, to talk to them, to ask about what they need.
It's shifting into the way we run our events.
I've talked about this before, but Econ Fuel, you know, ECF Live this year is more about
connecting people and celebrating and bringing our community together.
The people that are active in it as opposed to trying to do a lot of outreach.
And so this is kind of, this is deeply influencing how I'm thinking about how I want to run
and build our company and our community going forward.
And if I'm honest, you know, I'm a huge fan and proponent and supporter of entrepreneurs
everywhere, but from the consumer side, I'm much more excited to live in a world where
Maybe there are.
huge, you know, 100, 200, 300, you know, as many massive D to C brands. But there's more
smaller brands that deeply care about what they're doing. And have to, you know, because we're kind
of, they're kind of having, we're kind of coming full circle here where people are having to earn
their business kind of the old-fashioned way, right? Like you go back 200 years ago to colonial
America. If you had a great business, it's probably because you were word of mouth, right? People
recommend it to you, you know, there's no, there's very little media. Maybe there's newspapers
or pamphlets or things like that. But in general, it was word of mouth. And I feel like with so much
with AI hitting and people being coming so skeptical of everything they see online,
being sold to so much, I think that's kind of coming full circle for us. So,
anyway, all this to be said, and these are kind of macro, macro trends. There's still going to be
people who figure out great distribution methods and grow big businesses and grow $200 million
businesses and people who are crushing it on TikTok shop. And like I'm not saying this is,
you know, the end of big businesses. But I do think these are real macro forces at play. And I think
there's kind of three questions that I'm asking that I think maybe you should be asking yourself too.
Because if you have a business, you've got some time, right? Like you have an existing business,
you have a huge advantage right now and that you have some momentum, you have some reputational
credibility, you have an email list, you have products. This is not going to hit you overnight.
But I think we are in a transition period. So, three questions for you. One, are you more focused
on depth or size? Are you more focused on building something that's durable or building something
that's big? Because it's a lot harder to make the hard decisions to build something that's durable
than than big because growth feels good, right? Even it always feels good. Building something durable.
Those are seeds you're planting that may not pay off for six or 12 months or longer. But I think
that depth and that durability is what's going to matter in the era that we're entering. So,
are you more focused on depth or on size? I think that's the first one. I think the second one
is, are you investing in your own marketing or distribution channels heavily right now? You know,
obviously, email is one of these. But there's a lot of other ones. You know, it's interesting,
we've had some people in the ECF community. Hopefully, perhaps we'll get them on the podcast here
in the coming months. They've talked about how they've been able to use AI to build some pretty
amazing retail wholesale distribution in some cool ways. In-person events are hard,
but they can work in the right industries. Just looking at something on an X, where a brand
state accrues something or other, was able to build some unaffoli run right with
with no paid ads. I think just in-person events and organic content. It's going to vary by every
by every business, but are you investing your own marketing and distribution channels heavily?
And I think the third one is, do you care about what you're selling? And this is kind of a weird
one, something I didn't ask myself until kind of more recently. But I think it genuinely makes a
difference in the future. Do you care about what you're selling? Because that's going to bleed
through to people as as founder led brands as having to earn word of mouth as creating products to
actually are are really exceptional becomes more and more important. You can only do that if you
really care about what you're selling and building and putting it into the world. So I think that's a
it sounds a little woo-wooly because you know the whole don't follow your passion thing and I
you know I think there's some merit to that. But in this case I think I think caring about you
solid is a huge competitive advantage. Anyway, those are my random ramblings about craftsmans brands,
about the future of e-com, all this kind of stuff. So I hope it's interesting, hoping maybe a nugget
in or two you in there that you can yeah apply to your own business and it's definitely stuff I'm
thinking about a lot as we're growing and looking to build and continuing to build become fuel.
Forging what matters when I was nine years old my dad did something that
man it took me a long time to get over and fully forgive him for. The little context we lived in
on who falls. Home of the braves, a pioneer league baseball team that mattered to nobody really
but the people in our town. My mom would scrounge up free tickets often on the back of burger
king receipts or something else and we'd head to the ballpark sneak in twizzlers to save money
on concessions and would sit along the third base line where my dad would point out the coach
of science for me and have amazing memories from that. And our hometown team was named the same
as the big league major league baseball club the braves. And so my nine-year-old brain latched onto
Atlanta, Atlanta braves and never let go as a big fan of them growing up. And in my youth,
October 1991 the braves made the world series came down to game seven. It was scoreless in the
seventh inning. This is like every little kid's baseball dream. And as I'm sitting there watching
with my baseball cards, you know, I've kind of all spread out in front of me. My dad comes in and
tells me it's time for bad. And like, I was like, "Dad, this is game seven. It's my team. It's the
world series. Can you make an exception?" No exceptions were made. Brutal. The next morning,
like a ran upstairs found out they lost in the tenth, which made it even worse the next morning.
It was awful. And you would think that this would have put me off to the sport, but it did the
opposite. You know, I grew up playing baseball. I was never very good at it. Basketball was more of my
sport. And for regular season baseball games, I'll take basketball most days. You know, I understand a
lot of people look at baseball and they're like, "How can you sit through ninenings of that? It's
really boring." But I have to tell you, October baseball, playoff baseball is a completely
different sport. Because in most games, 10s moments, last a few seconds, maybe a play in football,
one in bounds. Maybe if you're lucky, if you fill out shots in baseball, but postseason or
in basketball, but at postseason baseball, those minutes of tension and stress can stretch for
minutes at a time, two, three, four minutes, one pitch at a time, fouled off. There's no clock.
Everyone in the room is holding their breath with the season on the line for what feels like
eternity. It's so fun. And it's such a relational sport. You know, in 2023, my dad, my brother and I
kind of had a great time checking off a bucket list out. I went to the World Series, finally,
forgiving. And we've moved past this at this point, me and my dad. And I was pulling for Arizona,
and my dad, it turns out, had been a covert rangers fan for years. It's something he only confessed
when he showed up to the game when the rangers were playing the Arizona Dama backs. And we,
the two sons got to watch our dad watch his team when the whole World Series in person. It was
pretty cool. You know, this year, I was on the road and the brewers were playing and they won it
all in my daughter who helped play softball herself texted me to ask if I'd been watching the game.
And I had, and so had she. Same game, different cities, still thinking about it and kind of being
together. And every year, the night after the final baseball game of the year, World Series wraps up,
I still walk into the living room, kind of expecting the habits sit down on the TV and settle
them with the family. And then I remember it's over. And it's always a little sad every year in the
habits. If you've never gotten into postseason baseball, give next October a chance. And if you already
love it, you know, it's a great way to cap off the summer. And hey, one final thing before you go,
my research and data this year's surface something I did not expect. Store owners who pay
themselves a salary plus small regular distributions or dividends posted the highest net income
scores and growth in the entire survey of store owners, 45% growth, above average margins,
and the highest hopefulness of any group. Turns out that taking small, consistent bites out of your
business doesn't hurt your growth. It actually seems to improve your efficiency, but also diversifying
your net worth away from your business a pretty smart move. That sounds like the kind of thing you'd
like to get right. The financial mastery series breaks down exactly how to think about distributions,
cash reserves, and building wealth alongside your business. It's free at ecomersgoer.com/mastery.
And for seven eighth figure owners who want to be around people operating at this level and
thinking about this regularly, check out the community at ecomersfuel.com. Work hard,
adventure often, and I'm looking forward to seeing you again. Next Friday.
Podcast Summary
Key Points:
The cost of e-commerce advertising—especially on Meta—has surged, with manufacturing, paid traffic, and shipping costs rising 50% to 80%, and net contribution margins dropping 95%.
A shift is underway from scaling rapidly to building durable, long-term brands rooted in deep passion and ownership, known as the "craftsman brand" model.
Successful craftsman brands rely on word-of-mouth growth, lean operations, and founder-led passion, making them more resilient than fast-growth, heavily paid models.
Real-world examples like Edward Zimmer’s Road ID and Jeff Scheldon’s Ugg Monk demonstrate how deep commitment to a product leads to lasting customer loyalty and brand durability.
The future of e-commerce is not just about growth size, but depth—prioritizing sustainability, authenticity, and long-term customer relationships over short-term scaling.
Entrepreneurs should ask themselves whether they prioritize depth over size, invest in their own marketing/distribution channels, and genuinely care about what they sell.
Small, consistent business distributions and salaries improve financial health, operational efficiency, and overall business hopefulness, especially among seven- to eight-figure owners.
The broader trend reflects a return to authenticity and word-of-mouth trust, echoing pre-digital times when businesses earned loyalty through personal connection and quality.
Summary:
" With Meta costs rising and profit margins collapsing, businesses are reevaluating their priorities. Data shows that companies with deep founder investment in their products—such as Road ID and Ugg Monk—build loyal, long-term customer bases through word-of-mouth and authentic engagement. This model emphasizes depth over size, lean operations, and genuine care for the product, leading to resilient businesses that survive market volatility.
The speaker highlights three key questions entrepreneurs should ask: are they prioritizing depth or size? Are they investing in their own marketing channels? Do they truly care about what they sell?
Real-world examples and community insights suggest that sustainable growth comes from emotional connection and operational simplicity. Additionally, financial data reveals that owners who pay themselves salaries and distribute profits consistently achieve higher growth and net income, indicating that financial discipline supports business health. Ultimately, the future of e-commerce lies in authentic, human-centered brands that endure beyond trends, reflecting a return to foundational values seen in early business models—where trust and passion built lasting legacies.
FAQs
The craftsman brand model emphasizes deep passion, care, and authenticity in what a business sells. It's becoming more important because consumers are skeptical of ads and digital content, and brands that genuinely care about their products build stronger, more loyal word-of-mouth communities that last over time.
Craftsman brands focus on durability, customer loyalty, and deep product care rather than rapid scaling. They grow slowly through word-of-mouth and customer trust, unlike traditional brands that rely heavily on paid ads and quick growth for size.
They deeply care about their products, are powered largely by organic word-of-mouth, and operate with lean, efficient teams that prioritize quality over scale and advertising.
Yes, many craftsman brands thrive without heavy paid advertising, relying instead on in-person events, organic content, and strong customer relationships to drive growth and retention.
As AI and digital skepticism grow, consumers are seeking authentic, trustworthy experiences. Small, passionate brands that earn trust through real customer relationships are more resilient and sustainable than large, ad-driven ones.
It provides an 'apple-to-apple' comparison of business metrics—like margins, growth, and traffic—against other businesses of similar revenue size, helping owners identify strengths and areas for improvement.
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