The Offer So Good People Feel Stupid Saying No | Ep 990
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The speaker, a seasoned entrepreneur with a track record of selling multiple companies and managing a high-revenue portfolio, condenses his business advice into key principles. He emphasizes strategic patience in scaling sales channels, advising entrepreneurs to master one primary channel—like paid ads—before investing in others, as outbound efforts can take up to a year to yield significant results. A core theme is starting with free offers, which he insists has never failed him; this approach lowers stakes, builds trust, and generates valuable feedback, while also reducing hidden customer costs like time and inconvenience that can deter purchases. Free work leads to revenue through testimonials, referrals, and eventual paid conversions. He stresses that proof outweighs promises: a product with abundant testimonials outperforms one with flashy offers but no evidence. To maximize proof, he recommends using recent, visual, high-volume reviews—such as screenshots from Yelp or Google—and framing them prominently. Additionally, proof should highlight customer pain points initially, as this connects with prospects better than starting with success stories. Overall, his advice centers on building credibility through tangible results, starting small and free, and systematically improving offers and pricing as proof accumulates.
I've been in business 13 years. I sold nine companies. My last company is sold for $46.2 million. My current portfolio at Acquisition.com is over $17 million a month. And I'm going to compress 13 years of business advice into this one video. I didn't open up a second channel of acquisition until we were at 4 million a month. Now, mind you, I started with paid ads because I was good at paid ads. And I learned how to run paid ads in my local business, which then when I run national, I knew how to do the same skill set. But after 4 million a month, I was like, okay, I need to get this second channel going. And so I started increasing that channel via cold email, cold call, cold DMs with an outbound team. But I say that because a lot of people are like, shouldn't I do this? I tried to lay that as long as I possibly can because I know it's going to cost a huge amount of time, a huge amount of money. And it might not work for six to 12 months. And to give you context, it took me 12 months for outbound to be responsible for half of my revenue. So it's not going to happen overnight. Number five, always start for free always. And I know and I don't usually use explicit 100% black and white language. But I have yet to see a time where starting for free has not made me more money. So let me explain. So when I started my fitness business way back when I started with free. I wanted to get people results and I said, I don't have any experience. So please let me just train you for free. And because of that, I have lower stakes because they didn't pay me money. They're still paying in other ways. They're still paying time. They're paying inconvenience. All the other things that a customer has to do, those costs are still there. By the way, those hidden costs are the things that you want to decrease as much as you can in your product. So that you can charge more money because you'll find over time that the most expensive thing about your product often isn't the price. It's everything else you require customer to do as a result of the purchase. Which is what things do they have to give up that they like doing as a result of the purchase. And what are the things that they have to start doing that they hate doing as a result of the purchase? And this happens with everything. And when I say like and hate, I use those as extremes. But fundamentally, there's some sort of friction, there's some sort of inconvenience. Like when I buy a car, I have to now get gas. That is now an inconvenience in my life. Now, compared to all other cars, maybe all cars that have that inconvenience until they have an electric car. And all of a sudden, that inconvenience has been removed because I can plug the car in at night. So I'm a co-winner of school.com and I talk to beginner entrepreneurs a lot. And so I see this happening more often than not, which is that they say, Hey, no one wants to buy my thing. And I say, Okay, well, where's your where your testimonials were the people that you've used before this that you've helped get the result? And they're like, Well, I don't have any. I'm like, Well, why would I believe you? They're like, Well, I have this amazing offer. And I'm going to talk about this in number six at length. But if you don't start for free, why should anyone believe you? And if you are doing this for the first time, why would you want to take money for something that you don't even know if it's good yet? And so this can both give you the conviction and give you the confidence to get going because you actually have some results that you can go off of. You can use those results to market to get more customers. I do this at every level of business. And so everything that I do, I always start with free, no matter what it is. And whether it's a new product line and a massive company, one of our portfolio companies, we built out a software product for the existing service space. And so he said, Hey, we can now have a DIY version of our services that you can use with this software product. And what do we do? We started for free. We took our top 100 customers and said, Hey, why don't you try it out? Let us know. Get us feedback. And they just kept giving us feedback. And honestly, in the beginning, the fact that some people want to charge for this is insane. It's like they're giving you so much valuable stuff. I'm just happy that they use it. Right? And so you go with free and then you go with a small, small amount of money and then you keep raising your prices over time, which I'll get to in a second. And for those of you who are worried about your pocketbook, look, I'm fronting all these costs. Well, yeah, that's why it's called investing in a business. But people who you work with for free can make you money in three ways. Number one is they can leave you a testimonial. Number two is they can refer you other customers via word of mouth that you did a good job. And number three, they can actually stay on and pay after a certain period of time when you do make it not free and you make it for money. Because if you want to keep surfacing and this is ideally how it works out is that you do such a good job that they're like, I don't want this to stop and then you say, great, now you can do an exchange for money because I can't do this anymore in exchange for nothing because I have enough demand because I've done a good job that I have these referrals and I have this proof that people do want to pay me for my services. So if you like that too, you can get the same price they have. Number six, and this is a big one. Proof over promise. So what a lot of beginners do and they read, you know, $100 million offers and they're like, I have a grand slam offer. And so because of that, I've got this big thing with all these bonuses and the stack and these guarantees and I've got a premium price and yet no one's buying it. So what I want to do is to walk you through hypothetical. Let's say on one extreme, we've got somebody who has an amazing, crazy, awesome offer for whatever. They promise you the world and beyond. On this extreme, same core product or core service as the first guy except he has no crazy offer. He just has 1000 testimonials. Who is going to get the most customers? This guy. And so your proof is going to do more selling than any promise can possibly do because the promises all function as an approximation of the likelihood that they're going to get a result and proof is always going to be more compelling. And so when you're starting out, you want to capture as much proof as seemingly possible. Now I have a huge amount of stuff on proof because I'm obsessed with it. But I'll give you four very good things that you can do to make your proof more compelling. Number one, recent proof is better than delayed proof. So if proof was five years old, proof that's from last week is going to be more compelling. Second, as you want it to be as visual as possible. So just a bunch of words on a screen is less compelling than a screenshot of someone's bank account after they made money. Or someone saying, "Hey, I lost 20 pounds," is not as compelling as the picture of them losing 20 pounds, which is also less compelling than a video of them weighing in and then a video of them weighing out. The third component for proof that I'll give you is you want high volume. And the nice thing is that most businesses actually have a lot more proof than they know they do. They just never capture it. And so one of the things that I did in our brick and mortar chains that we did with all of the gems I do across all our brick and mortar is if you look at Yelp, you look at Google, you look at Facebook, all of these have reviews for your business. And so for me, and if you're digital, then you have Facebook reviews on your Facebook page and things like that. And so I would go into the stars, you click into it and there's like a hundred of them and then you just screenshot each one of them. So if you have a hundred five store reviews on Yelp, that's like a mediocre Yelp account, right? But if I screenshot a hundred of those and then I frame them and I put them on my lobby wall from Florida ceiling, it's overwhelming the amount of proof that is. And so most businesses have way more proof than they think they do. They just don't leverage it. And so one of the easiest things you can do take the screenshots of all all review sites across all platforms, show them individually and show them as your new wallpaper. And the fourth element of proof is that you want to capture pain. And so let me explain by this. So I've been able to look at a zillion ads across all companies where they have testimonial ads from customers or user generated content to be fancy, right? The thing is, is the content that begins with pain converts significantly higher. And so this is my theory around this, which is that the pain relates to the customer or prospect where they're currently at. If they start with the promise, it's too far disconnected. But if you start with pain, they relate to the person and then you can take them through the story of them getting the result. But if you start with the end result, it's too disjointed. It's too far away. It becomes less believable. So if you had to pick between proof or promise, double down on proof. And that's also the reason that I tell everyone to start with giving stuff away for free because it's the easiest and fastest way to get tons of it.
Podcast Summary
Key Points:
The speaker has 13 years of business experience, having sold nine companies, with his last sale at $46.2 million and a current portfolio generating over $17 million monthly.
He advises delaying expansion into multiple sales channels (like cold email or outbound) until a primary channel (e.g., paid ads) is strong, noting it took 12 months for outbound to account for half his revenue.
Always start with free offers or services to build proof, gain confidence, and reduce customer friction, as hidden costs (time, inconvenience) often outweigh price in customer decisions.
Free work can yield revenue through testimonials, word-of-mouth referrals, and converting free users to paying customers once demand is proven.
Proof beats promises
Effective proof should be recent, visual (e.g., screenshots, photos, videos), high in volume (leveraging existing reviews), and start with customer pain points to increase relatability and conversion.
Summary:
The speaker, a seasoned entrepreneur with a track record of selling multiple companies and managing a high-revenue portfolio, condenses his business advice into key principles. He emphasizes strategic patience in scaling sales channels, advising entrepreneurs to master one primary channel—like paid ads—before investing in others, as outbound efforts can take up to a year to yield significant results. A core theme is starting with free offers, which he insists has never failed him; this approach lowers stakes, builds trust, and generates valuable feedback, while also reducing hidden customer costs like time and inconvenience that can deter purchases.
Free work leads to revenue through testimonials, referrals, and eventual paid conversions. He stresses that proof outweighs promises: a product with abundant testimonials outperforms one with flashy offers but no evidence. To maximize proof, he recommends using recent, visual, high-volume reviews—such as screenshots from Yelp or Google—and framing them prominently.
Additionally, proof should highlight customer pain points initially, as this connects with prospects better than starting with success stories. Overall, his advice centers on building credibility through tangible results, starting small and free, and systematically improving offers and pricing as proof accumulates.
FAQs
Starting for free is recommended because it reduces stakes, allows you to gather testimonials and referrals, and builds proof that your product works. This approach helped the speaker at every level, from a fitness business to software products, and it makes it easier to attract paying customers later.
Proof, like testimonials and results, is more compelling than promises because it shows actual likelihood of success. Promises are just approximations, while proof demonstrates real outcomes, making it more effective in converting customers.
Businesses can capture proof by using recent testimonials, making proof visual (e.g., screenshots or videos), collecting high volumes of reviews from all platforms, and starting with customer pain points in content. Many businesses have more proof than they realize and just need to leverage it.
Free customers can leave testimonials, refer other customers through word of mouth, and eventually become paying customers once you start charging. This helps build demand and proof for your business.
You should start a second channel only after reaching a significant revenue milestone, like $4 million a month, because it requires time and money and may not work for 6-12 months. The speaker waited until that point to add outbound methods like cold email and calls.
Make proof recent, visual, high-volume, and pain-focused. For example, use screenshots of reviews, videos of transformations, and start content with the customer's initial pain to make it relatable and believable.
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