The OC with Rachel Bilson

Hello David. Hi Rizabel. I understand you're babysitting your mother's dog. Not babysitting. Dog sitting. I am dog sitting for the first time in my life, I think. For listeners that may not know this about you, I've never seen you near any animal. Okay, that's obviously an exaggeration. You're not a big dog gal. I don't have anything against dogs. I just never grew up with them, so they're not. I've never seen you with a dog. You're lying. You've got photos of me with dogs. Maybe I am exaggerating. Is this more about me than you? I think it maybe it is. You just want everything to be so black and white. It's not my therapist's, like literally I'm not making that up. How is the dog going, because you don't live with a dog normally and currently there's a dog right near you always? I know. At work at the moment, I've taken him into work with me. What's the most surprising thing about the experience so far? I mean, I've never had to look after a dog, like I've hung out with dogs, but I just don't know. Like can I leave him alone? I don't know. I took him into the bathroom. I had a shower because I was like, what if he gets scared and he's in a new house? What do you do, just like a certain way for you to come out? Well, I put him in the bathtub, so he was just hanging out in the bathtub watching me shower. It's so weird. Why did you put him in the tub as opposed to just on the bathroom floor? Because I thought he might like run around too much or try and get in the shower, I don't know. Now, today's episode is not about dogs, it's about the OC we've got Rachel Bilson on. Oh my god. We're the stars of the OC and I just realised I've never watched an episode, but I thought maybe I could check in with Rosa Bella about what she thinks about the OC. It's a cultural touch-done. Yeah, I love to the OC and in fact I actually re-watched, I don't think I watched all of it, but I watched quite a lot of it recently, maybe a year ago. What is the OC about and what cap should Rosa Bella about it? Well, it's just like any other teen campus drama, it was sort of like the precursor to Gossip Girl, another big, big show for me and my childhood, Teenage Hood. But I think it's just watching other young people, or in this case it's really watching rich, rich young people have the same kind of emotional turmoil as you and do stupid things, but they have more money, so it's more fancy, stupid things. And I think it is really about capturing the emotional turbulence that you're going through during puberty and feeling less alone in that, because everyone's so moody in it, you know? And then there's that cool dad, the lawyer, Sandy. Do you know what character Rachel Wilson played? She was sort of like the no-nonsense, loving best friend of the troubled main character, Marissa, and she gets together with everybody's favourite teen nerd, Seth Cohen. Alright, well, is there anything you want me to pass on to Rachel Wilson? You can just tell her that she seems really cool. I'm David Farrier in New Zealand, accidentally marooned in America, and I want to figure out what makes this country tick. Now as I just mentioned to Rosa Bella earlier, I don't really know anything about the OC, so this intro is going to be very short, and I'm just going to say, gather around your TV and get ready to watch and remember one of the most iconic shows of all time, because this is the OC episode. Hi Rob, I just did the theme song to the OC. Do you know the theme song to the OC? I reckon if I heard it, I'd know it, just from pop culture. And I'm planning it. I think it really catapulted that band. Leading up to California here we come, I don't know, leading up to this episode, feels like when we let up to the email episode, where my knowledge is bare minimum, it's almost not existent, and your knowledge I know is just almost like flowing out of your ears and your mouth and your nostrils and your butthole. Well, I texted you before this, for the doc that I don't mind taking the lead. You gently suggested on it, and it might be better if you, yeah, because you have, you know Rachel Wilson, our guest, it's like she's just wandering in. Spoiler alert, I guess today is Rachel Wilson. How did you guys meet? We, she came out armchair in 2020 was zoom times of the show. Yeah. I will say this, not speaking out of school, she will say this about herself, yeah, not the best technologically. So I, we spent about 30 minutes on zoom after the interview, just getting, I'm trying to get her audio and all of that, which you and I, but you, you handled it. I think you did this process though, I've been through this process. She was just taking a little bit longer to figure out all the steps. Yeah. Yeah. And Rachel's very different from what you would expect from her and like, I mean, she's, she was a, she is a TV movie star, like from the 2000s, when it, when that was different than it is now completely. So I think a lot of people have different preconceived notions of her and it's very disarming when you realize how normal she is, yeah, and how fun she is. And so from that kind of you needing to guide her through the technicalities of sending audio and figuring that out, you kind of bonded and started your friends. We became good friends, her and I started a podcast together called Broad Ideas. Yeah. I know this, that we did for a couple of years. So yeah, we, we became very close and I know a lot about her, which I think, that's a warning going into the documentary conversation with her is, we're very familiar with one another. So we can expect you to do some of your classic Rob jabs and gentle baiting of our guests because you know each other. Yeah. There's more cheekiness than I would have approached a stranger coming into our studio. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Talk about something. Yeah. Yeah. She has done a, she was a busy in the OC, but she's also done an OC rewatch podcast as well with a bunch of the other cast members. Yeah. I will say too, she also dishes it back. That's our relationship is very brother sister. That's also, that is a very kiwi thing is to have a relationship we were and it's a British thing as well. You're kind of jabbing each other. Yeah. And it's a friendship built on some slight low key verbal violence. Yeah. So I will say like I grew up, I was in high school when the OC came out, same as her as well. I loved the OC like my crush in high school at that time was my crush because she reminded me of the main character on the show. Yeah. Which yeah. It's funny. It's funny how when you're watching stuff from your high school that does fuse so much into your life and the way you perceive the world. And that was you, I see I think my, I was big into Dawson's Creek. I think that was my show that I connected with Katie Holmes was my like, I was a, who was this person and something and you're like, you're like a poor PC. Do you know? I love PC. I love PC so much. I mean Dawson for me, Reston Beasts was such a, I love that character because he was, he had a Jurassic Park poster on his wall. He wanted to be a director, he seemed like so dreamy and cool. And I was just sort of an ore of him, I guess. So were you're crushes influenced by this idolization of these characters? And I'm trying to think if there was any crossover between Katie, because of who my crushes were Katie Holmes and Jessica Alba. But that was Jessica Alba was from more movies, maybe Angel, Duck Angel. Yes. And she was in Fantastic Four. Yes. Bits have, not a lot of crossover, I don't feel I looked like sort of like seeked out those people. But I'll have a think about this if it did bleed in more because it is your personality at that age, you're formed around what you listen to, what you watch, who you see, how you react. Yeah. And it's amazing how pop culture does. I mean, that's why we're still talking about the O.C. now, right? Because it's seen itself in so many people's imaginations. Well, it's such a megalith of a show too. It almost felt like this reincarnation of the soap opera at the time, which I don't know if that was just because our generation was too young to have seen soap operas or been targeted for the ones that are still on, but it was almost this like reintroduction to teenagers to just these like wild storylines. Can you tell me back to when you were watching it, kind of what you were doing in life and where you would watch it and kind of the ritual around that? I don't think there was much of a, I was, I wasn't. You were living at home? Yeah. I was living at home in high school. I think I was a sophomore. Okay. Did you ever have to, like, we fighting over the TV with your, your mummy or your daddy? No, I was not fighting over the TV in the family lounge in your room? I had a lot of fun. little TV in my room. At some point, I think by then, that's good for watching crashes on little TV in your room. Yeah. And of course, you're watching with ads because it's not streaming. I was on a live TV box. So there were commercial breaks. But I do, I do vividly remember getting the DVD box sets for it when they came out. Like I, I think I still have them. DVD box sets for TV shows were, I don't think I've ever felt a bigger level satisfaction than getting a box set of a TV show with this thing that you've either recorded and watch back later or don't even have a copy of. You've suddenly got it. Yeah. Special features. It's all there. Usually a really pretty box that it was into sparkly orange. And then I think it's like I'm using a sparkly blue. I'm pretty sure I still have my garage because Natalie never watched the show on a few years ago. I think during COVID you're like babe. It's time, but I didn't watch it with her, but it got broken out. I collected the X-Files box sets and they were in these extravagant cardboard cases that would fold out. Yeah. So expensive. The amount of money we spent on that stuff. Yeah. It was like, I remember sopranos and six feet under, six feet under had the cool like grass on top of the box set. I've still got those in storage. I think I still have those two. Yeah, they were sick. Yeah. They were always a blockbuster. It was the coveted thing. You weren't spending when I was a kid. I wasn't allowed to go spend $120 on this box set. No, no, no. Just before you get into the conversation, did you watch the whole show religiously? Did you trail off towards the end during the how it resolved? I think I trailed off by the end of season three, which we'll learn about. So this is important. If you haven't seen the OC, we spoil a lot in this conversation. Some very key moments. Yeah. It'll be, it's fully spoiled. As far as spoilers go, I think if a show came out in the early 2000s, 2003, I think you're allowed to do as many spoilers as you want, but also good to note. Okay. Seeing anyone has just been like waiting this long to watch the show. Maybe someone's like halfway through season one right now. Yeah. They turn the song in that car. Oh god damn it. I haven't gotten to that. I've been holding this off decades. And now it's ruined. Just very quickly on the Roosevelt dog sitting news. In the intro, she was sort of talking to me about how she's puzzled and what to do with the dog. That wasn't a bit. She is genuinely, it's like she's baby sitting an alien. Yeah, basically. She texted me the other day. It's barking. What is that mean? She's like dogs back. It's what they do. So we weirdly, we had a babysitter of semi recently that came to watch the boys. We sometimes will ask the babysitter to like feed and just take the dog out back. Yeah. If it's around that time. And she just was like, I'm not really sure what to do with dogs. Yeah, this is very similar to Roosevelt. Like if you don't grow up with a dog, what the hell do you do? Yeah. And yeah, no very fair and like good that she said that. So she doesn't just make it up as she goes. Yeah. But it was I think it was the first time I had heard that, which is now funny that Roosevelt is dealing with the same thing. Well, I mean, I'm giving Roosevelt a bit of shit here, but I've also never had a dog like our family has had so many animals, but we've never had a dog. And so I was, I met this woman at a cafe and she, she, what's the word? Foster's dogs. And so she's like, if you ever want to, because I love dogs, if you want to walk a dog, come by my house and you can take it out. So I've gone to a house a few times and just picked up these big like husky looking things and taking them on a walk. And I realized I didn't really know the taking a dog for a walk, whether you're allowed to let it go towards other dogs. And so I had to get the etiquette. Yeah, the etiquette. Yeah. And I, because I, I realized this isn't my dog, I got to be careful. There's so many dogs out in LA. So I had to go through this really, I just had to, like, break it down for me. How do you walk a dog? Because you haven't had one. How would you know walking dogs are so annoying too? Because there, there's this, I think Ed Young wrote a book about it and how dogs, with their nose, their senses are so much grander than ours that there's a whole world that we don't know about. And them on a walk being to explore all that is heaven to them. And you're walking a dog and you just want to get on, like it was go down the block, go to the bathroom, come back. So when you yank a dog from sniffing nothing, there you have this. Yeah. They're really interesting smelling all the different layers that our nose can't. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We're just like yanking them on. Yeah, there's just so much more happening, but it's also. Yeah. Yeah. You need to have patients with a dog. Rosewell had another question. She, she said, I put the dog to bed. The dog is on the floor on a special little dog mattress. And she just said, it's not showing his eyes. It's just looking at me. How do I make the dog go to sleep? I said, I don't really know, but I'm sure the dog, you know, this dog is in a new place. It's usually at your mum's house. It's probably just what's know where you are and what's going on. I'm sure it will close its eyes when it's ready to sleep. There's not like a magic, you must sleep mode. No, I mean, dogs are like an obsession. She was afraid it's like the movie obsession. She's in the corner while you're sleeping to staring at you. She also didn't want the dog in the bed because she was afraid it might poo during the night in the bed. And I said to Rosewell, I mean, the dog doesn't want to be pooing in the bed. It doesn't want that probably more than you. Yeah, it's going to anyway. Well, how old is the dog? It's newer. I feel it's maybe like a year and a half or something. It's a little of what he trained at this point. Oh, completely. Yeah. It's just, it's just funny. And just the idea of Rosewell placing this dog in the bath. It's just very funny to me. I feel like she's maybe asking the wrong person for advice on how to take care of her dog. Someone that has never owned a dog. Yeah. You're completely right. Yeah. But she's doing a great job. She's feeding, walking it, giving it water, all the things that a dog needs. Padding it. I'm just seeing if she needs more advice. Probably talk to you. She can, she can jump in our WhatsApp group. Yeah, that's probably what you actually have a dog. We have a dog and a small little creature as well. Any other OC notes for an audience before they listen to this interview with Asyn Rachel Wilson. We'll get to this in the conversation. I just want to preface so people aren't annoyed. And it doesn't feel like I'm steamrolling the conversation. Rachel is a very bad memory. It doesn't remember most of the experience of the OC, which is a unique thing. And I knew that going into this. So I prepared enough to hopefully have her just give commentary. Yeah. You have, you have prepared an emo isk sort of summary of certain things. No presentation. But I think this conversation is a certain magic about it because I feel like we are both learning about the OC from you Rob. And I really enjoy that. Thank you for coming in on. Of course. It worked out. And I should say just to be upfront, I haven't watched the OC. I'm leaving you where of what a cultural touch tone it is. Rosable friend of the show said to pass on to you that you're cool. So said, I'll do that. So nice. She's a huge fan. But look, I just I'm here to learn. And so I'm very happy for Rob to guide this journey into the show. I'm somehow frightened. I mean, it was excited. I'm. It was prime time in New Zealand. But for whatever reason that passed me by and I feel like a real idiot. I forgive you. First of all, and second of all, it was probably maybe not really in your wheelhouse at the time. How old you were or something. I don't know. You might have had something to do with age. It was 2003. August. Let's go back to August 2003. Let's do it. Let's go back to the beginning. Rob, take us there. Four seasons. 92 episodes. Do you know this? Yes. I actually didn't know that because we almost made it to 100. So close. Back of the days of very long seasons of television. They don't do that anymore. They don't. Limited network TV was on Fox. Mm-hmm. What else you got? You were 21. You were 21 when you got the show. I was 21. Huge roll to get as a youngster. That's amazing. It was, but it wasn't a big role. It was only a guest star role for the pilot. Well, you had, you had tried out for Everwood before that. What the fuck did you read, Rob? Are you doing like a Nadwa sort of situation on the OC? He's gonna like freak out guest out. This is really weird information that you're putting out there. Yes. Let me tell you the story, actually, because I auditioned for this show Everwood, and I got very close. And then I didn't get it. And I was like, oh, devastated. But I'm like, oh, they probably wanted someone, you know, I just wasn't right for the role. Cut to they show who they cast in the role. Literally my doppelganger. Okay. So annoying. Was it Nora? Yeah, Nora. And everyone had like said we looked alike, you know, back then and stuff. She's so sweet. But like I saw that she was cast and we looked very similar. I was crushed. But because I didn't get that, the casting director, Patrick Rush, brought me in for the OC pilot and I wound up getting nat. So kind of placing in disguise in a way. Is Josh involved at that point? Yeah. I read for Josh. And he was 26, seven, six, seven, seven. Obviously in hindsight, we know what the OC represents. But at the time when you're auditioning for this thing, you have no idea what it's going to be exactly. Did you have any kind of feeling for what the show was? Not at all. I mean, so one of my best friends, Olivia, was auditioning for Marissa Misha's role. And I remember reading the sides. I was like, "How an audition for Marissa?" And then I wound up getting the audition for Summer and she wanted the, anyway. But so I had seen the sides for the, the pilot. But no, I had no clue. I didn't know anything about it. When we shot the pilot though, Doug Lyman directed it. And it definitely felt really fun. And there was like a feeling around set that felt good. - Yeah, it was your first time on set, really? - What? - Was it not? - My first time on set in my life? - Well, it was your first time acting. - No! - Was it not? - Wow. - Rob, check your notes. - No, that we need, great, no. - It was my first series. - Okay. - I had been booking commercials and stuff before, but it wasn't my first time on set. I mean, my family is in the business. So I grew up on sets, Rob. - Yeah, I know that. Your dad was a writer and a producer. - That is true. I just like giving Rob a hard time. - My favorite thing. - Just quickly, just a sidetrack. What ads were you on? Because I feel those are deeply American things. - Oh, let me tell you about my Pepto Bismol commercial. - Oh, yes. - This is what I did. - Deeply American. - This is beautiful. - It was at a restaurant called Shanghai Barito. - Ah. - Great fusion. - Yep, had to act like, had to run for the bathroom. After eating my meal with my family, actually, I think the little brother actually made them run. - Okay. - But I had to insinuate that I would be next. - That was one of them. - That was amazing. - A subway commercial, subway, sandwiches. - Be fresh. - Yeah, that's right. - Okay, so from some advertising. - Yes. - Into Osea Land. - Yes. - But family was in the business. You grew up in LA. - Yes, that was all true. But it was my first main role in the first TV series I got. But I was auditioning as a guest star. And then I did maybe six to eight episodes before they bumped me up to series regular. - How did that work? Are they just like, people are responding, like this woman has something. - You know, I think that they liked my chemistry with Adam Brody. - Roosevelt told me about that. - Yeah. - You were, she said, you had this amazing romance with like the nerdy character. - I did. - And you just became this like charming, wonderful creature. - That's great. - No, no, where's exactly, we're gonna get in the plot. - Yeah. - Pretty heavy. - Oh, okay. - Let's see this. - Hold back. - Okay, I get excited. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - All right. - Yeah. - Take it away, Rob. - Yeah. - Well, no, no, how was it with the cast? Like, you guys were all kids at the time? - Yes. I mean, Misha was the youngest. She was 16 when we started the show. - Everyone got along? We were, including Josh, 'cause he was young too. We all hung out, went out. It was a very like tight knit social group outside of set. And we had a lot of fun. And I had introduced Josh at the time to one of my best friends from growing up and they wound up getting married. - Still the other round? - No. - Multiple kids. - But they have two kids. And it was a success. They were together 15 years, two kids. They're my daughter's best friends. Like, you know. - It's so nice. - Isn't it nice? - It's so kind of like tight, almost too tightly knit. Like you're introducing to that childhood friend. - Yes. - It's amazing. 'Cause you have done, you did like a rewatch podcast about the story. - I did do that. - So you have done a bit of revision. - Yes, but as I'm watching it, I literally am like, oh my god, that happened. Like even if I'm in the scene, I had no memory. - Which kind of makes sense 'cause it's not like you would have watched every episode of the time. And it's probably very different doing a random scene to sort of like watching the show. - Well, also you had that car accident. - That is true. - I do have actual memory problems from a head injury. - I've got memory problems as well. - You do? - Yeah, but I didn't have a car accident. - So what's yours from? - I did just not good brain, brain. When did you have a car accident? - I was 14. - Oh god. - Yeah, I was really bad car accident, but it affected my memory and among other things. I did all I was young. - All right, so premise, you've got Ryan. He's the main character. - Okay. - He's from Chino. - Okay. - But he was arrested 'cause his brother stole a car and he was whipped and- - Crashed it. - Okay. - Crashed it. He was taken in by a public defender, Sandy. - Mm-hmm. - Okay. - Who's married to a wealthy Newport Beach woman? - Mm-hmm. - Okay. They have this nerdy sunset, really into comic books. They take a man, they become best friends. Girl next door is Marissa. - Uh-huh. - Who has a really bitchy, sassy best friend? Summer? - Okay. - Is that- - How rude. - Uh-huh. - And that's Rachel. - She did it that way. - Rachel's the best friend. So there's a lot going on here. - Is this sort of establish quite early? - Yeah. - And this is like the pilot. - All of this is- - Oh my God. - Really? - These are the big shifts into place. - Hourlong. - Very soap opera-y almost. - Okay. - But for the 2000s. - Okay. - Yes. - And do you think it accurately represents what Orange County is or is it a completely alien version or a very specific niche? 'Cause I still don't understand Orange County as a place. - I don't think I do either. - Okay. - But I think there's some truth to it, but of course for television, it's always gonna be exaggerated or glamorized or whatever it is. That makes it bigger. - Well, let's go into some of those. - Okay. - Those things. - Okay. - So pilot is the, yeah. - It's gonna go if it's so fight, if it's so. - No, no, no. - Only 92. - There's an iconic beach fight scene. Okay. - So Ryan goes to a party with Seth. - Yes. - Seth's being bullied by a group of jocks on the beach. - Okay. - Ryan comes down to defend him. - We love that. - Big fight comes out of it. Turns out the ringleader of the jocks is neighbor Marissa's boyfriend. - Oh, of course. - Of course. - A iconic line. Welcome, well, there's an iconic line. - Yeah, you know, I want you to see it. - Welcome to the OC bitch. (laughing) - I feel like I know that line. - You do. - From part, I feel like I know that line. - So there's just a immediate tension between Luke and this new cool guy that runs his bike and smokes cigarettes next to his girlfriend's house. - Uh-huh. - I mean, I'm missing anything from-- - Oh, that's pretty good. - You're at the party, too. - I'm at the party and I like Ryan in the pilot. Or he's the new guy and he's like the bad boy in my character's name was Summer and she is really into that. - To bad boys. - Bad boys. - Okay. - And but Seth lets it be known in the pilot that he's always loved Summer. - Yes, he's obsessed with Summer. - Okay. - He named his boat after me. - Summer's bringing. - Oh my god, really. - Is that romantic or too far? - It's a little bit like the movie obsession. - Yeah. - It's intense. - This is funny 'cause I've known Rachel for a while and we've never talked to the OC in this depth. - No. - Yeah. - We'll be weird, wouldn't it? Every time you're hanging out. (laughing) - It's like that. - I'm going to get into the weeds of this. - We'll get weird. - All right. - We'll get weird. - Another fun plot point. - Marissa's dad has a big scandal. - Okay. - He's a financial advisor who's embezzling money from his clients. - Yes. - All of his clients. - Not a good thing. - Naturally are friends of Marissa's at school. He ends up getting a rest. Is it at Cattillion? - You're asking me from, I don't know. - You recently watched this. - I know, but it was a couple of years ago now. He doesn't get arrested at some event, but there's always an event. - I think it was the end of the Cattillion. - Okay, I believe that. - It was in the first season? - Yeah. - Okay. - Another dad and him. - Okay. - He gets arrested, she loses her house. She's kind of ostracized from all of her friends. - Rob watches the OC every night. That's why he knows such a thing. - Yeah, I'm really telling you. - And I picking up this two layers where you've kind of got the parents and the kids. - Yes. - And that sort of interacting and the drama's affecting one levels affecting the other. - Correct. - I like that. 'Cause I feel like, you know, I feel like some shows are just the kids, or they're just the adults. - Right. - Here you've got the two worlds. - You do. - You truly do. - Just an observation from someone that has watched it. - It's a very astute observation. (upbeat music) - Stay tuned for more Flightless Bird. We'll be right back after a word from our sponsors. - Support for Flightless Bird comes from Helix Sleep. Now, Helix Sleep has been a sponsor of our podcast right from the beginning, and I'm so pleased because Helix Sleep is giving me the best sleeps that I've ever had. Helix Sleep makes premium mattresses embedding that are customized to fit your personal needs. For instance, I'm a back-and-side sleeper. 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Now available in Canada too, that's q-i-n-c-e.com/bird for free shipping and 365 day returns. Quince.com/bird. A fun fact was Shayleen Woodley played Marissa's younger sister in the pilot. And then she was replaced later, right, when they brought her back. Late, a few years later, like then she was a little girl in the. Disappeared from the show. And then she went to boarding school. Classic. But her pony had alopecia in the pilot. Really? Yes. That is one thing I remember. Such a specific fact. That's the fact I remember. Moving on to the Oliver storyline. A lot of people, you say Oliver and they get very disappointed. Why? It was a very intense storyline. It was an intense storyline. So I read today that a lot of people had a hard time watching the show because of how intense their hatred was for him. So Marissa meets Oliver. Are they like an Allen on meeting or they're like at a new school or. They meet somewhere, this guy becomes obsessed with her. She's dating Ryan at this point, right? Ryan gets like weird feelings towards him that like something's not right with this guy. He's a compulsive liar. He's got like a fake girlfriend that he makes up. Oh, that's right. He's a red face. Very like manipulative. And the whole storyline like ends with him holding Marissa hostage in a hotel room with a gun. Oh, God. This is high drama. This is elevated. No, no, it's great. I like that. How much Rob knows? I mean, Rob does a thing on the show. He did this with our emo music episode, but he just has this encyclopedia knowledge that he gets to peacock around and it's really fun to see. Oh, he loved it. We just sit back. I normally have an presentation that I'm normally there is a presentation up there. There's my presentation up there. Didn't do one for me, huh? Why was hoping you were going to lead some of these plotlines? But you know better. Yeah, I know. I know. Yeah, it takes this like weird dark twist and the audience reacted badly to that. Yeah, they did not like Oliver. He was messing with the vibe. But it was good. It was unique for a teen drama to get this dark and like twist. I think he's committed by the end of that storyline. Sure. So we're up to this point. End of season one. Getting into season two is your outside life transforming because this show is it's popping. Completely. It's kind of crazy at that age as well because it's your dream. You actually want people to see it, but this is a big one. It was a big one. It was crazy. And I'll never, you know, not acknowledge that how grateful that my first real series was the OC because, you know, it really did kind of take off and people loved it and it was a pretty crazy time because it was heavily like the paparazzi world and there was no social media and it was just like, you went out and I remember there was like an event where in Manhattan Beach where we all showed up and the amount of people that were there it was like the first eye opening event where we're like, Oh, shit, like this is people are watching this show, but it was such a cool feeling. And it's also a time when TV was appointment viewing. It was on in a certain time. Right. It had to wait every week. It got behind it. Thursday nights. Yeah. Rob is there. Every Thursday. We had a alarm set. No, my next storyline. Yes. So Ryan's brother, Trey, this gets intense. This is the end of season two, I think. This is Logan Marshall Green. He tries to rape Marissa. Oh, God. What? Ryan's. He does? Yes. Do you see what I mean? This is wild. Are you serious? Yeah. There's like an assault that happens. He ended up in a fight, Ryan and Trey. Ryan and Trey. No, I was like, wait. Ryan and Trey ended up in a fight, Marissa comes. Marissa comes. Yeah. And it's the famous famous, the scene where she shoots Trey. Oh, my God. She shoots his brother. And then Imaging, he starts. Yes. Hide and Seek starts playing. Which I, that song, like, I, it's one of the like, first, it's a big needle drop moment. Yes. Wow. That was a big moment. Even SNL did a skit on it. It was like, very, and that song was, anyway, anytime you are, I hear that song, that's what I think of because it was very- Yeah, I remember getting goosebumps from that song in that scene. Yes. Yeah, it just- It is hide and seek, right? In that scene. Yeah, hide and seek. Because they eventually play Holly Leia. Holly is what I was getting used to. We'll get to that later, yes. Wait. Are you going to watch it? Because it'll be a real spoiler. I mean, I'm slightly concerned about this now. Because it is. Very, I feel like the OC and I had this with the sopranos as well, which is all-show-a-show. I've never watched. Oh my God. Yeah, one of the best of all time, but I've been avoiding spoilers for the end of that series forever. Okay. And now I'm worried I'm going to have the same problem here. Maybe I'll just walk out. You took, it's, I think this one's okay. Okay. I feel like some shows, like the wire I tried to watch after it came out. Yeah. And it's been ripped off so much that I felt like- You've seen it. Kind of a lame show. Got it. I don't think the OC has that problem. The OC is timeless. It's, it's, it's, it's, it's a green. It is what it is. Like, it's just, it is like, it is a teen and adult night time drama. People are shooting each other. But I feel funny. Which getting to, uh, Marissa's bisexual storyline. Don't sound very funny so fat. So, I'm fricking in tears. Marissa's bisexual storyline. Yes. For Olivia Wilde. Olivia Wilde plays, uh. Alex. Doesn't she date Seth too? I think she does. Yes. Do you like how I'm asking Raul? Yes. Yes. I don't know. I was like a wild dynamic. If I didn't know, you were like a geek out of the show. I feel like why do we invite the skist off? Are we cheating her as well as me? It's really good. You are. You are. You are. You are literally like full of us learning about the OC. But Olivia Wilde owns a bar. Olivia Wilde owns a bar with, it's like a music venue as well. And she's bisexual. bisexual. Her last date, which is like for network TV in the 2000s. That was a video, yeah. Yeah. Was great. Yeah. Her presentation. Mm-hmm. And then, so Josh really loves music. Yes. Like I see him at concerts all the time still. You do? Yeah. We've talked. He loves the context. Okay, every time. Yeah, you see him. Yeah. So, go talk to him. He loves his music. Loves music. Yeah. So, music was a huge part of the show too. And so, that would be getting you sucked into this world as well. Yeah. You love music. Spooned, the thrills, death cavity, modest mouse, alcohol and trio, rune, phantom planet. Killers. You see that? The killers are in there. And they start introducing like live performances. Deathcap was Brody. Brody was like, that, sorry, that was his contribution. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, this is manual. So, it's not very musically heavy as well. Yes. Yes. Literally, it was, it was this before Garden State? I'd have to look up. I think it's around the same. So, it's like after. Early off. Why were we in Garden State and to this kind of thing? Because of the soundtrack. Oh, the soundtrack. Yeah. Soundtrack is as big as the movie. I'm with it. I'm with you. Yeah, I don't like it. This thing. Yeah, yeah. You didn't like Garden State the movie? Just like it. It's true. I remember when I first saw it, I really liked it. I haven't seen it since then, though. Yeah. So, then this all end of season three, they kill Marissa. Oh, my God, so how did she die? There's another character that like runs them off the road. Oh, my God. Is Ryan in the car with her? Okay, so she's about to start a new life with her dad. Oh, yeah. She's gonna go to Greece. They're on the way to the airport. I'm just kidding. On the way to the airport. Return Tray. Oh. Who she had shot. Yeah. Tray is in bad. And Tray runs them off the road. No, he doesn't. There's another bad guy. Later on. Uh-huh. Now, and I can't remember if Marissa was hooking up with Vault Chalk or not, you know, I'm sorry. It really is a problem. I agree. Okay. Vault Chalk runs them off the road. There's another bad guy later on. Uh-huh. - Who's Voltrunk? - It's actually funny 'cause he's named after Kevin Voltrunk, who's a dear friend. But his character Voltrunk turns into like a villain. - Voltrunk runs him off the road. - He runs him off the road. Marissa dies, but there's a scene. - But she dies in his arms on the side of the road. - In the middle of the road, Ryan picks her up and she's dying. - Oh. - And they start to play hallelujah. - I imagine he covers hallelujah. And it starts playing as she dies in his arms. - Cars on fire, but in the back of a scene. - It's like tragically beautiful though, it's shot. - And then she's just like. - Yeah, and she's like, "I love it." No, I'm just kidding, I don't remember. She probably says that though. - But, did you remember her romp? - Was that always the plan? - No, I wouldn't say that was always the plan that she dies at the end of season three. I think he did so much with her character. - Yeah. - So at a point, she was either gonna go off-- - To Greece. - Worked with her dad, or-- - Right. - She was gonna die, but I think Josh and Stephanie have spoken openly that that was a mistake to kill her off. - People loved her. - That's when I stopped watching. - Shut up, bro. - No, I'm serious, that's the last. - He loves to tease me because he loved Marissa. - Really? - Yeah, Marissa. - He's like Marissa for life, and he loves to rub that in my face. - Oh, that's amazing. Do you remember when they told you they were doing it? Was it were they keeping it quiet? - Yeah, from everyone. - I'm sure we all knew. - You got scripts early on. It wasn't like Game of Thrones where like, they're only sending scripts to the people in the scenes, and-- - No. - No, wasn't that intense? - We were not a Game of Thrones. - That's it. - I will say you were kind of Game of Thrones before Game of Thrones. - In what sense? - We didn't have water bottles on the shot. - Just high drama, you kill off any character, Marissa's dead. - Yeah, that was, I mean, she was the main, you know, character and, well, Ryan's the main character, but she was-- - It does add a certain tension to a show when you know that anyone could go. You know, when anyone could die, that adds a certain level of drama to it. I respect that. - I do think I remembered the creators of Game of Thrones saying the OC and Spockered. - Yeah, yeah, that's a thing. - They wanted to do that. - Thank God. - And out of the reference. - I heard here first. - Other storylines that were fun. Luke, whose Marissa's boyfriend? - Oh, the one that beats Ryan up in the pilot. - Yep. - Ends up having in a secret affair with Marissa's mom. - Correct. - That is correct. - Seth's mom is an alcoholic, and they send her to rehab. - Yeah. - Ryan becomes a cage fighter. - That's what it was, a cage fighter. - After Marissa dies. - Cage fighter, correct. - Cage fighting, subplot? - Yeah, casual cage fighting. - The moms accidentally start a prostitution ring. - I'm sorry, what? - Julie and Kirsten start the matchmaking company. - That's not a prostitution ring. - And they start like- - That's why I'm talking few. - Okay. - They start setting up escorts. - They start setting up escorts with the daughter's friends. It is a prostitution ring. - It's just a bitch. - No. - Don't listen to Rob. - I often do believe a lot of Rob's is. - Well now I know, after today, you have to question everything. Will you August three of the Wonder Woman? - So Seth loved comic books. - Okay. - And in the- - That you're nerdy boyfriend in the show. - Yes. In the first season, there was like a love triangle of sorts with myself and another character named Anna. Oh no, you love Anna. - I loved Anna. Everyone loved me. - Everyone loved me. - It was Marissa. - Everyone loved me. - It was Marissa. - And so Anna and I were fighting for Seth. And he loved comic books. So there's a Christmas episode where we both try to impress Seth. And she like draws him a homemade comic book and I dress up as Wonder Woman. - She's the girl that he's always been in love with. The like popular girl at school. Anna's character is like another nerd. And they like have everything in common. Oh, I think your character starts to get jealous because- - Yeah, I'm like, wait a minute. - He always loved me. - Well let me put this Wonder Woman costume on. What one over the Wonder Woman costume are the hand drawn comic book? - You guys end up together. - I mean, we end up together. Yeah, I was trying to think that, but in the moment of like her, but it's really sweet because the girls kind of come together and I'm so complimentary of her handmade gift. - You both turn him down then as a result. 'Cause you see that he's been concocting this plan and planning him against one another. - And we both were complimentary of each other. And it was like, oh, it was actually a sweet moment that the girls come together and they're like, fuck this. - That's a really nice moment. - Yes. - Well, what would you say the main theme or the message of the OC is, what have we taken? What have we, what is an audience to take away from this world? - You don't need to take this one? - Yes, thank you. - Yeah, what did you take away from it? Besides being horny and- - Did you take away from it? - No, I mean, I think there was so much depth to each of the characters and redeeming things and everything was a little more gray. And you could, everyone had someone you could relate to. Like you would have related to Seth. - Who did you relate to? - I- - Ma Rissa. - Ma Rissa. - No, well, weirdly, I almost moved to California around the time this was coming out and I had like- - That was in a shot. - That I was going to be Ryan, that I was going to like- - You were going to wear a choker and a leather jacket. - Change my identity. - That's really endearing. Well, scary, I'm not sure. - I know. - He wasn't a bag, he was like the good guy under all of it. - Yeah, okay, yeah, yeah. But, that's it also, that is what Roosevelt kind of said. You've got, you can identify with it. Even if you're not in some wealthy sort of portion of society, you can just identify with the spirit of these characters. - Yes, for sure. - There's some character that you're going to relate to. The one with the messy household, the divorced family, the perfect family. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Oh, you didn't mention Chris Pratt was also. - I've got that, don't worry. - Oh, I thought, sorry. - We moved to the trivia section yet. Chris Pratt was a character. - Yeah. - The guest star, there were ton of guest stars on the show. - Yes, he had an arc with my character. - So guest stars, Olivia Wilde, Chris Pratt, Shailin Woodley, we've covered a bunch of these. - Nicky Reed. - Nicky Reed, Amber Heard. - Amber Heard. - We love Amber Heard. - George Lucas plays himself on it. That's incredible. - That's true. - Paris Hilton. - Paris Hilton. - Place yourself. - Emma Steevo. - Steevo. - Steevo. - Steevo. - Steevo. - Can we talk about summer's fashion impact like you become a fashion icon because of the show. People have said that the aesthetic of summer - Summer. - Okay. - Is like that of a generation. The define, it defined the aesthetic of a generation. - I would probably say Marissa Morso for sure, but I think if you look to fashion like from the early odds, they were, it was very, you know, in line with. - That's cool. - What fashion was doing? - Do you feel that was, were you bringing looks into that or was it this amazing, costuming department? How did that work? - Really good costume designers. I think they really built the characters. There were a lot of bikinis the first season though. You know, there was a lot of beachwear. - Yeah. - A lot of juicy suits. But it was very of the time in platform flip flops. It's weird because the early odds. - Flip flops. We love flip flops. - You do, but you do love flip flops. - You're wearing flip flops. - You're wearing crops. - I'm a big crop girl myself. - Oh my God. They're the best. - They're the best. - They start as like a bit of an ironic joke in the unrealize how comfy and good they are. - 100%. I stand by them. I give them a presence. I convert everybody. - Oh my God. - Yeah, I'm a big crop. - You can stay. - But was her fashion similar to yours? Or did you end up, no, somewhere in Rachel Billson? Did you end up taking from her? - Did you? - Did you end in your character? - Yes. - You know? - I blurred line. I mean, yes and no. I think there was a lot of like dress over jeans at the time. I don't know that summer did that as much. And I think summer was a little more put together than I am personally fashion wise. - You have Nicole yet at this point? - So Nicole, who is one of my good friends and stylist also was on set costumes on the OC. That's how we met. - Her husband inspired full check. - The guy that ran. - Yes. - The girl who killed Marissa. - Oh God. - Yes, see, it's all connected. - Yeah, wow. - It's all connected. - Yeah, we started like the first season of the OC. - But I feel like someone told me that you were such a sort of fashion icon and people did focus on you that that bling ring, those people targeted your place or something. - I did, they robbed me five times. - Which, that's insane. - It is insane. - It is insane for us. - I mean, that's an awful and mad thing to be part of. - Yes. - Like holy shit. - Yeah. - Did you know what the fuck was happening when it was happening? - No, I wasn't home. I was out of town. And I mean, I guess obviously it happens five times. I remember my mom, like going to my house to check on something and being like, I feel like your house was robbed, but everything is kind of weird. - It's kind of messy everywhere, so I can tell. - But like TV, like things were, everything was there, but then when she went into my closet, all of that stuff was gone. - Oh, shit. - Close shoes, handbags, jewelry, you know, but everything else was in the house. So it was kind of like a weird thing. And then just finding out these kids did that. I mean, it was pretty shitty. - Fun side story. We had one of them at my house for Rachel to interview. What? - One of the women that robbed her. - Yes. - Oh my God. - From the one thing. - Was it the one that shit in your toilet? - No, but that was like the most offensive thing to me. was that they got so comfortable that they could number two and my bathroom did not appreciate that. What a mad thing to intersect with though, because that was such a. I do not live in that house anymore. Yeah, no, right. Yeah, it is violating once people have been here. Yeah, I just felt we're, you know, it was just like. Well, no, because you were a fashionable, like, together person. I guess. Yeah, Rachel doesn't understand, I think, how much of a cultural. No, fun. I kind of like that about you. I love that you doubt your downplaying literally everything. It's really good. It's very, it's a very New Zealand approach to life, where if you get sort of a compliment or any idea that you're something, you make sure you just take yourself down a little bit. I think that's a really. Maybe I have a long New Zealand. I think you're welcome. Have you ever been? I've never been. You're welcome any time. I would love to go to New Zealand. You can meet Rose Bell, who also loves the OEC, yeah, she's the best. So sweet. She's great. That's my favorite part about Rachel, is that you wouldn't know. You wouldn't know that, like, she doesn't know. She doesn't know. She was just staying in the 2000s and how, like, funny and normal and down to earth she is. Completely. Oh, that's so sweet. He's never sweet to me, you have to know. No, I believe it. He did. He probably don't know it. I mean, love's love language, I think, is bullying and meanness. And I'm so. You have to endure all of that, yeah. A lot. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I tell myself it's love, but maybe it's just hatred, we don't know. What flavors did you get of these donuts, by the way? Yeah, this is like a nest session, I feel like. Can I have a. Can we go? Donuts from Orange County. These originated in Costa Mesa, Orange County. They did. Say what you want to say about OEC. You don't call it the OEC, do you? That's the show. You call Orange County. People kind of now, I think it's referenced it. I hear a lot. Yeah, people say OEC after. One thing we can say about the OEC, that's great. The TV show and these freaking donuts. These are my favorite donuts of all time. They're my favorite donuts of all time. I think. What do you like about them? They make them fresh, they make them every like hour. Rachel and I bonded over snappy food. Well, but I also love really shitty food. Yeah, Rachel does. Her favorite restaurant is Cracker Barrel. Have you done an episode on that? No, but we. But you know it too. Well, I know the name. I don't know his burger, pizza, sugar, breakfast food, bad breakfast food. Excuse me. Tell me about Cracker Barrel. There's a general store. Did they get rid of it? What? Well, the rebrand wasn't. The rebrand was called off. You're not up on a whole program. We did talk about the rebrand. Okay. You and I. We did briefly. They have a few items that you cannot pass up. At breakfast, like, they're potato, the hash brown, with the cheese. Uh-huh. And not saying, I don't know the name. Okay. Delicious hash brown. Cheesy hash brown. Is that what they're called? Is it the hash brown casserole? I don't know. Okay. Anyway, really selling it. But the general store is really fine. Because it's all like old-timey candy and toys and little knickknacks of a big knickknack person. You love knackknacks. And they've got the little tea game that you. There's a game on every table. It's like a peg game. I like this. I like having entertainment while you're eating. In checkers. Because if you're bored with the people you're with, you can just start playing the games. That's what I like because they don't enjoy talking to people. That's the best. You're doing very well today, yeah. Thank you. Don't wait that reminds me. Did you also. Did you design a t-shirt for Invisible Children? Yes. Because we did an episode about Invisible Children, about the Coney 2012 in Saint campaign. No. Which did it went off the rails in many ways. And it was a huge deal in New Zealand. We all followed that whole thing. But you. I feel like you did a t-shirt design just after that Coney campaign. Or it like around that time. I was involved with Invisible Children because of Kristen. She introduced me. We went on a trip to Africa. Did you? Yes. You're right. It's Cache Coney. Yeah, single-handedly. Because armed with your assault rifles. No, no. No, no. And I and Kristen all went on this trip. I think I've seen pictures from that trip. Yeah. What was your t-shirt? What did you design? Again, you were asking. A question I do not have the answer to. I identify this. I have such a bad memory. I don't remember. Would you like a donut? I don't remember so many. I want you to take first. I'm curious which one you're going to go for. Yeah, do you want me to. Want to talk about them? You have the vegan one in there. That's the chocolate. It's like a doubled chocolate with cocoa nibs on it. Rob's favorite is the cinnamon. The Saigon cinnamon. There's a hockey berry. There's a butter and salt. I think that's just a classic old fashion of vegan Samoa. And a strawberry buttermilk. I think I might do strawberry buttermilk. That was from Vincent. But it's fine. Wow. I'll let him know you ate it. Was it? It's so dark. Oh, yeah. Yeah, that's a yes. That's a yes. Rob loves the cinnamon. That's why he got two to make sure. Yeah, just to see if someone else wanted one. Does the OC like want you today still? Like we've dragged you into this podcast. Does it pop up in weird ways in your life? Or is it mostly. I would say it does. But I wouldn't say it haunts me. Yeah, how's your relationship evolved with it? I think of it very fondly. Like it was a really amazing time in my life. And it brought me some of the closest people to me. You know, Josh's family. And yeah, I just think of it as like what a cool thing to have been a part of. And the fact, the craziest thing is that people are watching it now. And discovering it. And young kids and. And David. Yeah, I'm discovering it. Like yourself. Rose about just a rewatch of it. Might people are watching it again. Yes. That's pretty neat. That is neat. I do enjoy that. I think that's really cool. And the fact that it stands up. I mean, it holds up. I feel like I want to start. Maybe while watching some of those iconic musical moments. Yes. Those needle drops. Because I feel I will have seen that reference in other places. And we'll have just never know. You need the build up to it, though. You can't just watch it. I can't watch. I'm just going to watch the scene you're talking about. Yeah, watch the highlights. And that's that highlights. Were there any big music moments that we didn't talk about from it? No, to me, the music moments, I like most for the soundtrack. But I mean, the thrills, I think, played on it too, which was cool. Don't you remember that? But I remember like Alcalon Trio being at the house party music. And they were a cool Chicago band. Oh, you'd love that. You did. I did. I had good music. Yeah. How long have you known before? It would have been in 2020. But by you've reacted to his bullshit today. Oh, yeah. I think it's been commandable and really amazing. I'm going to try and learn from you. I'm here for you. Did your element come? Oh, yeah. It grew great through all of that. That's our relationship. Whereas I get a bit sort of uppity, you know? [LAUGHS] At least I'm like full of sugar as well. I'll give you some tips. Thank you. Thank you for coming in. Thank you for having me. I'm sorry. I couldn't actually talk about it. Thank you, Rob, for being such a super fan. You got it. She's charming, wonderful, so low-key. Everything you said that she would be she was. And I also found that dynamic, fucking delightful, that at times both her and I were looking at you learning at the same time. Except she had been through a lot of that, and I hadn't. And she was just great. Yeah, I guess I should say to a slight disclaimer I hadn't. I haven't watched the show in a long time. I didn't rewatch it with Natalie. Right. So I got a few details wrong. That's OK, Rob, you're human. But you know what would be freaky if you did get everything right? That would be too far. Well, but I do think it goes to show how much of a, as dorky as the sound, how much of an impact that show had on me that I could recount as much as I could about a 23 years later. Three years. Well, I feel like between the scenes we're playing out and the music and all those things, it's just itch itself into your reality. Plus, you said the thing where you're following those characters along and it's you're not binging it all at once. You're watching it weak by weak over years. And so that shit seeps into you. It's like you know these people. And from what you guys are talking about, it sounds like the characters change and morphed. So it's realistic in a way. It's not the Simpsons where they're just like the same thing for years on end. They're changing. Is that an interesting thing I don't think I've thought about with the way we consume television shows now? It's in such a concentrated way that you don't really get to connect to characters in the same way you will over it air. I mean, these are 20 plus episodes. That's why. That's why. Six months of connecting with these characters. Yeah, and that's why I am obsessed with the Xbox because that was nine years of my life. Yeah. And the week that you're waiting for those characters in your mind they're alive. They're still existing. And like other things that we're consuming quickly that we love. Yeah. We're spending a week, maybe two weeks with it. If it's just dumped. Yeah. I'm not, I'm not savoring TV shows if every episode is out already. No, and I think that's why certain shows like Game of Thrones that have that weekly releases the same. There's obviously that show did amazing things but I think a big part of it is. We lived with it for so long. Yeah, the delivery. And it sings in. Yeah, there's so many shows that I've been in a weekend that have left my brain. They've got zero cultural impact because we're just hovering through. But potentially just as good of content. Potentially. Because it has happened a few times where I've watched something. Then it's gotten thrown into my algorithm and feed and pitched back to me years later. I've started it and it's been like two or three episodes and I'm like, I've seen this. Yeah. Which would have never happened with the OC or Game of Thrones. And there's another part of it is that I think shows when they were on at a regular time. It took a certain level of commitment for you to actually watch them. So you couldn't say I'm missing Thursday night at eight because you had missed the show. So it also physically, you had to be in a certain place at a certain time. And that also, I think, creates a relationship between you and the show because it's like effort. Whereas at the moment, you sit there like a potato and just sort of have this shit sort of wash over you. Whilst you're also doing a million other things, we weren't double screening watching the OC. - Yeah, yeah, you were locked in on that. - Yeah, it was, I feel like it was a magical time that this show came out. Rachel mentioned it was before social media, before cell phones, when you're actually sitting and consuming something and the cow was just happening in real time, before you're getting everything dumped at once, it's streaming everything. And you know what, you know, when you mentioned those, obviously very iconic scenes, we have got a needle drop of a song and something deeply emotive happening in visual. We have got a car burning in the background. - Yeah. - There'll be shit like that that is happening on some of the shows that I'm watching every other episode. There's a car on fire. - Yeah, but also like we're watching it, but we're also missing all these nuance moments because we're on a phone or we've wandered off. - Yeah. - We're not committed to watching it. So there's these writers will be building stuff into shows that are meant to be a moment. Half the audience will be fucking looking on threads or blue sky or something on Facebook. Do you know what I mean? So they're missing it. - We used to be locked in because we agreed to be home on a Thursday night at 8.30 p.m. Sitting through ads, the ads is when we'd run and get a snack or something or go to the bathroom. It was a whole different way of doing things. - I will say after 20 plus years ago, I am still very impressed with Josh, the creator of the show and like how much depth and social constructs they explored and all of these different elements as like fantastical and wild as all of it was. He wrote a good show for a 26, 27 year old. - It's that long ago. - It's also it's crazy when you realize sometimes how young the creator is of some of the stuff that you love is. It's really humbling when you're in your forties. - Well, we're all gone. - Sitting here with obsession and back rooms, crushing it right now and you're super young directors. - Back 20 year old, 21? Old's the director of back rooms? - Back rooms is 21, at least 21, 22. And that's youngest director in A24 history. He also has come up with this amazing world obviously. I haven't seen it yet. - I haven't either. - I'm excited too. But no, it's I mean, it's fucking cool. There's an element of me that flares up with slight jealousy that these kids are doing this amazing stuff. But it's amazing and it's a reminder that you can do that. You don't have to be 40 before you make something amazing. - Yeah, I guess that's, I'd like the parallels of that. Of, you know, as we were talking about this and like can something like the OC exist nowadays and have that spark of magic. But we're watching that kind of happen with some of these horror movies coming out. - Totally, actually, where obsession, I think had a $750,000 budget. - Just insane what they had made. - Yeah. - Yeah, yeah. You would take Sammy last night out, do you see it? And it is, it's one of those films that you think about a lot afterwards and there's so much to discuss. It's just the certain characters and moments that just sink into you. - You know, I would, it's akin to the OC. - Yeah, yeah. - You got this. - Yeah, there's a lot going on. - There's a lot going on. - Yeah. - Also, something Roosevelt said, she said about her rewatch that show has held up. - Yeah. - I feel that I could watch it confidently and still get so much out of it. - I think so. - Which is kind of neat. - I mean, obviously all the data in certain ways, but there's a lot going on and it sounds fucking fun. - Yeah. - And I'm getting very relaxed. - And also, she liked Roosevelt. Rachel Wilson liked Roosevelt. - She did. - Roosevelt, if you're listening? - She's not. - She listens to the intron then trains out. - Should we be transparent? David's about to go overseas for a little while. - Oh yeah. - I'm going to Australia. - Australia and New Zealand and Minnesota. - Yes. - Yes. - So we're recording a handful of episodes to get us through your month abroad. - So if any major world events have happened, and we're not referencing them, that is why. We're not ignoring them. - Which we still are going to be recording weekly on Patreon, so anything major like that, you can get our heart text on. - You know totally, more timely. - But our regular weekly episodes, we're recording a little bit ahead. - With that said, that's why some of this feedback, maybe won't be about the most recent episodes. - And also the fact that people are just obsessed about time shifts. - Still so many time shift episodes. - I do really love when we're little nuggets like that. - Certain things people grab onto. - Really grab on. - It is cool though for our show to be able to be that reactive. And like, there's a whole episode that can come out of this weird little thing that got mentioned as an aside on an episode. - Totally. - No, it's a beast. And you never know what people are going to react to in that way. - So with that said, keep sending feedback and always, we like it 'cause it helps us create this show. - [email protected]. Yeah, a lot of my favorite episodes come from people just emailing saying, "I don't know if you'd be interested "in this but." Dwayne wrote it, "Long time birdie." And he can be often catching up, just because I transitioned to the podcast on YouTube when you start on that platform. 'Cause it's really fun. Shout out to YouTube. Today's catch up viewing the supper clubs and a conkel, how cool is she? Rob's story of his dad's career movement appears to really impact her a story in itself. I'll check out pen 15 for sure. The chuckle came out to you quoting of Adam Johnson's very valid comment at around one hour, 20 minutes and 12 seconds. I spied the barefoot on the coffee table. - Wait, I'm not using that. - So how are you on the record? Not conkel. - Me, very much so. That is a very New Zealand thing to do and it was good to see D. (sighs) - Yeah, feet, barefoot on the table. - It's rude, there's an element of rudeness with a barefoot on the table. I wouldn't usually do a barefoot on the table. - At someone's house, I'm gonna defend you a little bit. - We have the illusion of us being in like a living room. - Yes. - Right now? - Yeah. - But we are in a studio, it's, this is a set. - A set. - Essentially we're in a set. - It's like I wouldn't put my shoes on the, I wouldn't be wearing my shoes on a rug at home. - To be clear, I would never pop a little tutsie out and put it on anything, on a table. - I don't know that I believe that. - I, I, I, but that particular day with conkel, maybe I was just excited like she's a hero of mine. My feet get very hot, I run hot, but my feet sometimes go crazy, no. It was, I wasn't doing it consciously, but I popped the crock off, 'cause crock's a very easy get off. And then suddenly, shoelace. - It's just wiggling your toes in front of the car golf. - Oh, why did I do that? I, I hope that was the, after chat. - Do you wanna street the camera off from an apology? - Anna, if you saw my tutsies during that episode about PM 15 and your new book, I'm so fucking sorry, that was unintentional, my foot was too hot. Like physically hot, it wasn't attractive hot. - All right, anything I think for that, maybe make it dramatic, go to like black and white, bring down the contrast, and straight to camera, maybe a little, a little smoky, so I support that. I also wanna know, just in regards to PM 15, I, I believe I was making a joke, but I might have been serious. I very clearly said that we didn't have the game, PM 15 in New Zealand, where you get penis written on someone's arm. - You say both in the episode. - My point is, I was homeschooled for a long time. I wasn't around other kids. - Yeah, I wasn't right. My mom was scrolling penis on her son's arm, which I'm grateful for. That would have been weird. Fam, gay, doing a little joke on her son. Been weird to your tree, but we did have the gag of writing penis on someone's arm under another, for some crazy story that was weaved at the time to just-- - Well, it was slight bullying, I would say. You're not like writing it. I mean, you're doing it in just, but you say you wanna join the Penn 15 club, and you're writing it in Penn because it's hard to get off. - Yeah, I feel you're not doing that to the cool jogging class. You're doing it to the node. - Or the jogs doing it to the other jog, I guess. - The jogs doing it to the other jog. - I do love that they named the show that. - It's such a, it's really perfect. - I don't know that I fully appreciated that. Okay, there's two, one more. This is Nick, I live in Bentonville, Arkansas, which is the home of Walmart. There are Walmart everywhere. I believe in the US, but here it was started. It's a whole other world. The founder, Sam Walton, is interesting as well, as his children, who like his daughter, Alice, who has her own checkered past, have done great things for our community. That would interest you. It seems like a very specific but also vague email. - Well, no, so the cool thing about Bentonville is in order for the Walton family to get money, to get their money from the family funds, They have to do communities. service. And so there's a lot, it's like a beautiful community there. Because all of these resources have gone into making that community better. So the like library there is incredible. And it's a lot of wealth, obviously, the sound incredible. Boltons are from there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Nick said in this area, we built the largest mountain by community in the US. And that is amazing. And itself, there are a ton of great things North West Arkansas has to offer. Sounds like a great topic. I'd happily go there. I mean, Walmart is one of the most overwhelming crazy places. I remember the first time I came to America, I went there and was just it's so much. And I think maybe if you've grown up in America, you take it for granted a little bit, but it is another level of everything. Well, I think there is some capitalistic issues with, oh, Walmart, yeah, sponsored by Walmart, what a store. If you have any insights into Walmart or anything in this episode, connection to connections, if you want to tell us your OC memories and stories, we have flight this bridge at gmail.com, you can watch us on Spotify. You can, but less ads, you can see my photo on the table, you can see our guests face. Visuals can be really good. We're on YouTube as well, and we are on Patreon, where every week we do a bonus episode where we just yeah, a little bit more casually about whatever we want. So we'll see you over there, and we'll see you next week.