The Night of September 30, 2008: Thursday, October 15th, 2026

♪ Good morning, girlies, it's the Toast. It's Jackson, Claude, and we're your hosts. It's your favorite show, the best five things you need to know. We'll start your day off swirly, it's the Toast. I sound amazing. Welcome back to the Toast, and happy Thursday. Hope everybody's having a great latter half of the week. How are you? Oh my god, me? I'm okay. I know, you're stressed. I had like a stressful morning. It's been an intense morning for 30 minutes. Like nothing major, just like drama. It's all sort of like made up in your head, but real nonetheless. No, and the thing is what nobody talks about is pregnancy rage. Like people are super hormonal, they're like, I'm so emotional, I'm like, I'm rageful. Like little things that would upset me, especially like vehicular stuff. Yeah. Like people are driving slow. I actually get afraid. It's like not good for me or the baby how angry I get. Like, I'm working on it. Maybe it is good for the baby though, because it's what your body's naturally doing, so maybe it's just like what you- You're saying I should lean in more. Yeah, no, it's like you have to trust your body, right? Every time I get really angry, Ben's like, calm down. Not calm down, because I would slap him. He's like, it's okay, you're valid, this is not good for the baby. And I'm like- Don't say that. What if it is? What if it is? What if it's just what the baby wants? Yeah. I think it is. Otherwise, you wouldn't be doing it. A thousand percent. Lean in. I did get a prenatal massage yesterday, which should be covered by medical insurance. It was like so medically necessary. One of the ones where you're on your side. Have you ever done the ones where they have like the hole in the table? Yes. So much better. It depends. I like being on my side. I did the hole in the table one once, and it was just too much. Like, I think I was lightheaded when I got up. I did one in the hole in the table, and like I actually at one point like moaned out loud. Like, it was so amazing. And it was at the point in the pregnancy where I really hadn't slept on my stomach in months. Like, I'm still like low-key. I'm low-key a little bit on my stomach. Not really. But side is good. They make you flop around a lot. Turn to the right. Turn to the left. Turn to your back. It's like. You could also say like, I don't want to turn. The turning is like deeply humiliating. You could say I don't want to turn. Like, pick a spot, and it's your massage. If you ever. You're the boss. You're like naked and rolled, like oiled up, and they're like, even in a regular massage when you need to like flip from back to front, it's humiliating. It's just destabilizing, really. And I always wonder. I'm like, I wonder if she's like judging me. So I try to be like really graceful. It was hard. But they pick up the sheet so that they don't see. Of course. Oh, my God. That's between me and God. Well, that's good. I'm glad that you were feeling relaxed, but now feeling rageful once again. Yes. The pregnancy rage lingers on. Good thing. Like, that's carrying me between my first and second pregnancies. Like, I didn't know if that was going to come this time. And I feel that a little bit. I can confirm the rage. Postpartum rage as well. Like the breastfeeding hormones. My hormones manifest themselves in rage. Maybe we just have anger issues. Yeah. Because would you say like not postpartum, not pregnant, you don't feel rage? I mean, like a normal amount for sure. But no, I actually think like when I was growing up, I had such a short temper. And I've actually noticed in my maturity, in my adulthood, like I'm much better about it. Like, I don't really get angry like crazy like that. Unless there's like, you know, extenuating circumstances, of course. But no, in pregnancy, like I'm a rageful, like a very angry woman. Cool, cool, cool. There's nothing like a mad woman. What a shame she went mad. Cool, cool. No one likes a mad woman. They made her like that. True. Cool, cool. And if there's a woman, send a hand to a woman. And you'll find something to wrap your noose around. I heard a really good mashup yesterday. Okay, DJ Earworm. Even better than this one. No such thing, but I'll. It was. You've probably heard it. Yeah, I know what it is. Babylon. Yeah. Come back, be here. So good. So good. I'm glad it made its way to Reels. Yeah, people are like, yeah, definitely. People on Instagram are like loving it. I think so. I'm loving it. I'm so glad. Did you see the Reel I sent you yesterday of that boy sneezing? I did. You're actually, that sentence is like the chugiest thing you've ever said. Did you ever see that before? I didn't. And I can't lie, like, I didn't really crack up, but I loved it for you. Oh my God, I was loving that. I was like, oh, that's funny. And it's like, you know, ha ha. I'll post it to my story after this. It's classic stuff. You know, it was clever. It was very clever. But I just knew you were like shaking as you sent it to me. And I was like, oh, it's funny. Ben would appreciate it. I should have sent it to Ben. And that's just like a sign that it's not funny. You know? Oh my gosh, I'm cracking. Last night I didn't like watch any TV, really. I just watched a lot of clips. Oh, that's like a, that's genuinely like a horrible way to spend your night. But like, so bad for your brain. I tried. I turned on my television. I put on like Hulu and Netflix and there were things that looked good. I just wasn't in the mood for something good. So I, I started the girls. Oh, the Paramount, the Kim Kardashian. Yeah. The Khloe show. Oh, it's, oh, oh, oh, sorry. I was talking about the team mom. No, no, no. I didn't start team moms. I started the girls. Of all the things, like that's what you started. That's what I gravitate towards. It's true. Just like mindless reality TV. And I didn't get through 10 minutes. Yeah. It was not good. It was so strange. And you're like primed to like it because you, you love those girls. You love Nat and Liv. I don't like it. Nobody will. Nobody on earth will. That's so sad for Khloe. It was so strange. Just the setup. Yeah. What do you mean? Like putting all their friends together. They refuse to, they're on FaceTime, but Khloe will not film with them. One of the girls, Iris, I think is more Kylie's friend. Yeah. And she's going to like fight with people. Okay. And it's like, go and film a show and fight. Yeah. It's not natural. No, it was so not natural. Yeah. So that was like a bit of voice of times. I watched old dancing with the stars. I watched old episodes of the nanny. I'm in a phase where like, I can't really accept anything new. All the music I listened to was like old music. I just like, I'm not in the mood to like discover new things. So I'm watching the nanny. It's literally the best show on TV. And I don't know exactly what years it aired, but it must've been the most popular show on TV at the time. Every, you know, Elizabeth Taylor did a guest star. Last night, Elton John, the episode I watched. Roseanne, like every famous person in the world was on the show. Like it, it must've been huge. Did you hear Roseanne is making a comeback? No, she's going to be in a new show on like a, let me see. Like not on, you know, YouTube or whatever, you know, actually, or like, or no show. Yeah. Like, is it a fake or a real, give me a minute. Cause I watched her. She played, um, uh, Fran's like cousin, Shirley, who's like an interior designer who she hires to like do the kitchen. And I have to say it was a pretty bad performance, but, and I were pretty shook at her acting skills. And that was, I think like Roseanne's peak, like Roseanne was Roseanne at the time. Because she was that bitch. And I'm like, she kind of sucks. Like she was really bad. So you're saying Roseanne's not a good actor. You want to know why? No, she doesn't play Jewish. Well, she's not Jewish, right? She is. Oh, nevermind. Oh, okay. Are you sure? Right. Roseanne Barr. I don't think she's Jewish. Is she Jewish? I don't think so. And also like, maybe I had a dream that Roseanne was making a comeback. So I'm not really finding. She is Jewish. Oh, that's interesting. She wasn't giving like Flushing's Jew, you know? The, the series, her comeback series is called Meemaw. Who's on it? I mean, sorry. Where, what's it on? It's not a comeback if you're not like on a major. It's true. Okay, wait. It's giving, it says indie. Oh, yeah. Independently produced television series is being shopped to distributors. I guess. Okay. So someone could pick it up. TBD if it's a comeback. Yeah. Good luck. Oh, wow. Roseanne's Jewish. I literally didn't know that. Yeah. Does that change how you feel? No. About her performance? No, she wasn't like convincing. Like imagine, like she must be that bad of an actress that like you're actually Jewish. And I didn't know that. I didn't even buy it. You know, I didn't buy it. Elizabeth Taylor. What else did I scan past last evening? East of Eden is a show that looked good on Netflix, but I didn't want to watch something that looked good. And I don't know why. I just feel like you are sort of incapable of liking something that Florence Pugh is in. Do you know what I mean? I know, but I was looking at her face in the small trailer and she actually was reminding me a lot of Kate Winslet in the sense that like she's just like, you know, she's like just like an actress. She can be anything. She doesn't have plastic surgery face where it's like you can't be in a period piece. Yeah. She really looked like a young Kate Winslet. And I was like, it's not flow. You know, and I don't know why I think that. I think her name is Kate. I don't know why I think that like you wouldn't like the stuff that she's in. I think I would actually. Yeah. I would just open up my mind. Did you see Oppenheimer? No. You didn't? No. You should watch it. It's really good. I should. I like, I really enjoyed it. And like, I didn't even know a lot about, you know, the man. I also should watch Little Women. Which one? Like the recent. The Timothy one. Timothy. Yeah. We should read Little Women, actually. And I also need to watch the Banana Bowl with my children. Speaking of clips, I pretty much watched the whole Banana Bowl. I haven't seen anything. It's like the Iris Tour. On Sunday morning, I was like bombarded with content by it. And I was so upset that I didn't watch it. It looked so cute. The Jonas Brothers performed. Andy Grammer performed. Like all of our guys. No, no, no. Next time I'm looking for something to watch with the kids, I'm going to watch the Banana Bowl. It looked like. Seriously, like, Joy. And I think it's also. People can explain to me what goes on at the Banana Bowl games, like as much as they want. I will never understand, like, how it's a theatrical performance and baseball. But I believe the Banana's lost. Jackson said it on Dancing with the Stars. Like, it wasn't the outcome he wanted. But, like, you know, it was an amazing. And I think the guy who started the Banana Bowl, it's like this amazing story where he's just like some random guy who, like, wanted to dance, you know. And he hired these ragtag. And now there really are a league. There's like six teams. There used to just be one. And then there was two, the party animals and other six teams. And they all play each other and they all dance. And it's apparently like a big thing. And he's on his way to being like the world's first. ethical billionaire you know because he refuses he will not sell he will not sell his company he said even if i got what makes him ethical he just really does it for the love of like family children like he just wants he wants it to be fun he wants it to be this positive world's first who said that you know like that like billionaires are evil and they're like every time he does an interview and it's like he really is he's he must be worth like a hundred million dollars now and this is like what one or two years the banana bowl is just getting started and he really like you could tell he just does it for the love of the game like it's the millions are just the cherry on gravy yeah and he's like he will never sell i guess they're not that they infringe at all on the mlb because it's really its own sport it's not even like i know it's baseball but um he's kind of creating a whole new league yeah and now it's being televised on hulu like i'm telling you they're on they're on their way and now like young men like troy bolton don't have to choose between sports and theatrics oh my god had there only been the savannah bananas of albuquerque right it would have been the perfect thing for him and maybe that's an issue that that happens like more frequently than you would think like young athletic men who have a love for theater we've got like a little pep in their step yeah it sort of reminds me of disney on ice like people who don't cut it as hockey players or figure skaters theatrical hockey players figure skaters olympians yeah then they can take their talents to disney on ice and i like when we create like new professions for athletes like how there's not like competitive cheerleading past collegiate level i am waiting for that to start so this is so fun and it's all like kids love it like it's a really nice and so i was watching the clips and i was like why do i feel like i would really enjoy this you know what they need to do that for lacrosse yeah except cross like is so competitive in middle school and high school and college and then there's no career for it but i also feel like it's kind of a regional thing like it's not big outside of new england is it it's like a very waspy sport sure but a lot of you could say golf skiing like every some things are regional because they have to be yeah i guess i don't know why i don't feel like lacrosse is mainstream i just don't know why if you're an athletic youngster why you would go all in on lacrosse when there's no career path yeah if i'm an athletic youngster like i'm definitely now gunning for like a place on the savannah bananas yeah also now hockey's really picking up so you might be going for hockey yeah you know my favorite fun fact about savannah bananas like his girlfriend is pat sajac's daughter yeah i'm like always telling people that oh well that actually is like a good segue into our first store into one of our stories that i would now make our first oh my god did you see is it the story that tyler cameron's dancing to supermarket flowers no what's that so they released yeah it's a story of dedications and they i don't know if they released everyone's songs but the supermarket flowers is the song about it's ed sheeran you definitely know it it's like about losing a loved one it's like the saddest song ever dedicating his dance to mothers everywhere and i just want to let you know like i cried a lot when i was a kid i cried a lot when i was a kid i cried a lot reading the description and i will be crying i need ben to like go out that night because i need to watch it by myself like i will be crying yeah we'll get into all the dedications and the funny thing is is that you know people are like you know dedication night first of all you really like can't send someone home but you know there's like a famous uh night in dancing with the stars history when james vanderbeek was on and he shared that like that week or like in the weeks prior his wife had miscarried and that's the night they sent him home he did this dance for his wife it was all about the miscarriage and like literally they sent him home that night isn't that insane that's really disgusting i was gonna say like you can't send tyler home when he does this beautiful thing but you actually can are disgusting but maybe they won't send someone home and then the week after send two people home that works for me i am waiting for a double elimination there are still far too many people in this season and they oh what's the double elimination also guillermo said that if he had made it to dedication night he was dancing for jimmy kimmel oh you know what i'm glad to have been um jimmy probably called abc and told them to throw him off so he didn't have to show up to dancing with the stars that is strange i just want to say why it's like not meaningful at all well i actually think they would make it meaningful i'm sure jimmy kimmel changed his life and i'm sure jimmy has done like amazing things for him and his family but like he would be crying and if i'm his wife i think it would have been a nice moment no because of course like even yesterday we were talking about like you would dance for ben like of course i could dance for my husband like of course of course a lot of people pointed out we could dance for our deceased father which we actually forgot to mention which we didn't even think we didn't our bad i just feel like like no yeah no and it's like it's not it's not what he wanted i just want to say he did like dancing with the stars daddy yeah i think he used to watch dancing with the stars are you serious before i like slander ask olivia olivia i just feel like that's like maybe a memory you are making no because i remember and i'll have to check the years but i remember like when kim kardashian was on that like it was that he was watching it what yeah and we were like oh my god kim kardashian can you find out when kim was on if he was even alive yeah right watch it's like 10 years after no if if he was alive when kim was on then then your memory serves you correctly the year he died what months were the episodes airing what yeah what day exactly did she get eliminated what month is it now it's october now it was september and october no no but what day did kim kardashian get eliminated she well five days before his death maybe he died because he was so heartbroken maybe that she was eliminated maybe chilling to think about is that my last memory of my father but like where where were you like physically in in the house uh-huh in the room that was like his office but i'm saying like why would you have been in that house we weren't living in that house our parents were recently divorced maybe you're visiting for the weekend of course when was rosh hashanah 2008 because he died in between rosh hashanah and yom kippur maybe i did second night there watch kim go home watch this space the night kim was eliminated she was eliminated on rosh hashanah so maybe like after dinner he like posted on the couch we watched we watched kim go home we watched kim go home we watched kim go home ouch we watched dancing i had zero memory was eliminated and that's my final and broke our father's heart permanently i think i'm right i believe you let's check out yeah september 30th september 30th he passed on october 4th 2008 chilling never saw the next episode and you know what it's good he wasn't alive to see her you know to see the show it would go on without her i think i will dance for him that's beautiful and you can tell the story they could play the clip us discovering that he was a fan a dancing with the stars we'll have to have olivia corroborate just like 100 but i believe you i just maybe i believe myself how about that okay i love that wait she texted what did she say on calls what's up of course she is businesswoman fact check for the toast childhood memory i feel like she'll take 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And I don't like, I don't claim to know about their, like much about their relationship, but it doesn't it feel like just like a little like. I'm not, not speaking because I'm afraid. What is the word? Um, like you're telling me like of all the people in our whole life, like the one person she wants to dedicate it to is Heath Ledger. Like I love Heath Ledger. He's worthy of the dedication. They did one movie together, like 40. 40 years ago. Are like, were they that tight? It just feels like a little bit like how she did her. So you think you can dance dance last week? Like just sort of like a, an intent, not an attention grab. What's the word I'm looking for? Like, I guess we'll have to learn in the package, like more about their relationship. Also, I misread this article yesterday and I thought Tatiana was dancing for Heath Ledger. I just assumed they were friends. I don't know. I just got confused. And when I thought it was Tatiana, I was okay with it. So I have to be okay with it, with it being Julia Stiles. And like, as far as I know, they did one movie together. Like maybe there's a whole relationship there that I don't know. But it just feels like they're relying a lot on like her lore to carry them through because like, it's just not working otherwise. Is that mean to say? No, they are. That's what you do. Yeah. Like a little sticky. Yeah, of course. And that's not to say that Heath Ledger absolutely deserves this great honor. Yeah. It's a great honor. I will wait to see the package. Like maybe they were friends for life. Yeah. No, I'm being a bitch. I need to know more. Yeah. Harry Shum Jr. is going to dedicate his Foxtrot to his wife. They're dancing to Stop This Trouble. Train by John Mayer. That's such a good song. It could be the thing. Mm hmm. Jackson Olsen will be dancing to L.O.V.E. by Nat King Cole, dedicating to his mom. Anyone who dedicates to their mother, like, sorry, you're getting my votes. Yeah, he is dating Pat. Say Jack's daughter. But that's just his girlfriend. You can't dedicate to your girlfriend. I mean, you can if you're going to propose. On the dance floor. Yeah. Yeah. That's the only way. Tyler Cameron and Sharna dancing to Supermarket Flowers, dedicated to mother. There's everywhere. So he's dedicating his dance to us. Yeah, because obviously we knew he wanted to dance for his mom. His mom is like a big part of his story. When he was on The Bachelor, she was obviously on it. She was kind of like a fan favorite. People loved her. And then when he became so famous, like on social media, like people just loved his mom. And she really passed away so suddenly. Like in a matter of 24 hours, she had a brain aneurysm. Like it was not she was not sick. Like really, it was so, so sad. And he's like, so committed after her death to like, raising money in her honor. Me and Ben just went like a couple months ago to one of his like, foundation things. Like he has this amazing foundation where they provide scholarships. Like he's so passionate about keeping his mom's memory alive. And I feel like that is part of the reason why he agreed to do this show. And for him to then do it like for his mom, but also mothers everywhere. Yeah, you're not going home. Sorry. Next, we have Jenna Dewan. She's dancing for her mom, Nancy. Like I said, a mom is like a really good way to get me to care. Yeah, I don't know anything about Jenna Dewan's mom, but I'm looking forward to learning. I'm looking forward to learning as well. Connor Wood will be dancing for his dad, Pete. I love that. And also, I meant to tell you, I saw this TikTok today that like, you're gonna like love. So it was this girl just talking about how she realized like this most beautiful thing. One of like the random Fred Gips that's come out of this season is Connor and Ezra Frech. They're like, really, really close. They make like all their TikToks together. They're obviously always hanging out. Fibula has like talked really positively about him on the podcast. And you know, Ezra Frech was like born with some sort of like limb disability. And one of the things that he was born without is a fibula. And now he has a fibula. Now he has this fibula. Isn't that really cute? I have chills. Why is fibula called fibula? No clue. That's just like how I'm girl with no job. He's fibula. I can't I don't know. I'm sure there's like lore, but I don't know it. Okay, that's really cute. Ezra will be dancing for his mother, Bahar. I'm ready to cry. I'm ready to cry. Whenever they talk about like Ezra as a kid, and they show pictures of him, like I actually can't. Ellen, just being like the most mature, emotionally intelligent child you've ever seen. Yeah, honestly, I never took into consideration what it's like to be pregnant watching Dancing with the Stars dedication night. Like, I'm going to be crying the whole time. Amber Glenn will be dancing for her sister. Oh, Sister Swirl. To Breathe Me by Sia. Now, remind me, this night, do the people, is it a threesome night? Don't ask me. Okay. Okay, I think it is. Okay. Then Maura Higgins will be dancing for Ireland. You know what I thought? This was interesting. Yeah. They're doing a Paso Doble for Ireland. They should do like an Irish jig. Of course. I think this could be really good. Yeah, I want to hear like why. I know she's like so proud to be Irish. Yeah, and she's so Irish, and she's in this foreign country. And I think she also really represents like a kind of the Irish dream. Like she grew up like super poor in a rural area. So I'm looking forward to that. That's nice. Yeah, I like, and it's a little different. Agreed. Tatiana Ali has not announced who she's dancing for yet, and it's going to be announced on the official Dancing with the Stars podcast, which comes out at noon today. So it's obviously Uncle Phil, right? He passed away. Oh, but why? Why wouldn't they? Why does it have to be a special? Why does anything have to be a special announcement? So it's not, she's just, I don't think it's like, I think people might be reading into it too much. She's just every week, one of the contestants is the guest on the podcast. She's the guest this week. And so like they're making it a thing. I don't think it's that big of a thing, honestly. Or I know she has like a lot of her platform as a celebrity is about maternal health. So maybe it'll have something to do with that. Okay. I don't know. I'm just guessing. Or she was going to do like a Julia Stiles where it's like her public person who passed, which is the dad from. Fresh Prince, right? Yeah. Anyone else from Fresh Prince pass away? No. Not pass away, but it doesn't have to be someone who passed away. Oh, right, right, right, right. It could be Will Smith. Oh, I would love to see Will Smith in the ballroom shaking that thing. It could be Alfonso. I do love their friendship. Yeah. Like Alfonso is like very professional. He doesn't like, Julian's the one who's like, and he only gets like excited when he sees Tatiana. It's really cute. Yeah. Okay. So it's going to be a great night. See you next week. It's going to be extremely emotional. Mm-hmm. Our next story. Meghan Markle and Prince Harry are back in the UK. Which we knew. They have made their first official joint appearance doing a walkabout in Nottingham this morning. When I saw these pictures, I was very confused because they looked like pictures from their time. From back in the day when they were working royals. Part of your job as a working royal is doing this thing called a walkabout where like literally just droves of people show up behind barricades to see you. You walk, you chat with the commoners, you get flowers, you get gifts. And it's just like, you've seen it in the crown. Like, it's something only royals do. Yeah. So when, when literally Page Six just posted these photos and I was like, are these from today? It's kind of crazy to like stage your own walkabout. No, it's fucking crazy that they've done this. Yeah. It's giving like very off brand, generic brand walkabout. Like that's not a thing. We'll put up the barricades. That's not a thing that a celebrity would do. But the thing is, is that like Harry is technically like this beloved prince who, you know, Princess Diana, like I could see why people, would show up. I'm not questioning the people who showed up. I mean, either I, they could be getting paid. Like the, the photos, like literally, it could be kate like you accept the bouquet of flowers you kiss the baby from six years ago yeah it's it's textbook walkabout which is not a thing that like happens one organically for even royals but two happens for celebrities it's very weird like it's really weird what are they trying to do just like act like royals and just pretend they're royals again but the thing is is that like you didn't like being royals maybe they liked the the walkabouts i do want to say they look lovely like people just telling you like how amazing and beautiful you are everyone has flowers for you all these children look up to you they cry like you mean so much it sounds amazing who wouldn't want to do it but you had that and you both hated it you left now you're returning to the place returning to the job in all but a formal capacity like doing it for free i don't know maybe they're just like gonna do this until charles like just sort of has to absorb them back yeah like unignorable but i feel that charles is like low-key very quiet these days i feel like his health might be you know not the best and i really don't think he's even thinking about these two because you know i believe he's not even biologically related to harry so it's like why is this random guy doing walkabouts like in my name in my country right did you see mimi webb saying the national anthem at the nfl game that you know nfl does this like international where they make the players fly i think the most recent game was in the uk so they also sang the uk national anthem which is lovely and mimi webb saying it she was beautiful i did see and i guess they changed the song when it's like king or queen because i always sing our noble queen but she said king i guess yeah yes because we they long may they have a king and we've only been alive with queen elizabeth so that's the only version we ever heard and it was the first time i really put together land where our fathers it's the same tune yeah land we like stole it you know to like sort of stunt on them hoes we're just like their cousins yeah right from every man yeah right let free some ring yeah i never realized that that's a slay on our part so i'm just thinking of like william and kate looking at these pictures and dying like literally dying there's so many reasons why it's weird like one it's just like a weird thing to do but two it's like this was the life you had and you didn't like it yeah and this is not something that you do unless you are in a public working royal position i will say a couple positives she looks amazing let me see actually i didn't really look at her outfit i was so stunned she looks amazing by the weirdness i'm really taken just all the way back i'm to the feelings of like what it felt like to have megan markle as a member of the royal family and you know it's entirely possible that they like went out to lunch people heard and then like started lining up let me know it's not let me say let's say that they went out to lunch people heard by the time they got 30 a.m you 30 a.m maybe they went out for breakfast them like going and doing the walkabouts with their two assistants behind them and that's exactly how it is with the royals you accept the flowers then you give the flowers to the assistants like you could have if all these people just happen to have showed up at your breakfast you wave you have maybe you signed an autograph like barricades where they come from yeah right to do like the whole song and dance she wore maroon for the outing and yeah they do it separately they do it together like it's really cosplaying royals but you are former royals yeah so they went to a food bank they're going there today they're doing like a whole they have a day they're doing a tour like it's so weird they have a day of activities planned so i'm sure we'll see like more photos in pr i can't wait honestly like you know picture says a thousand words like i could stare at this picture um first of all it is nice that people showed up because as far as like i get the vibe that people in the uk like americans obviously are over them but i thought it was way worse for them in the uk is but people showed up find a hundred people who would show up to get photographed and you can pay people like people get paid i don't think that they paid but i agree but you can pay people to show up to protests yeah you know i used to work somewhere but they would literally pay people to like show up show up to the audience members see fillers one of my jobs was like you know it was like a hugely famous people come and they still like they had see fillers yeah i paid 20 even advertised that this walkabout is going down i don't know how did these people know about it no i'm telling you something's a mess something someone are you ready for our next story scooter braun and todrick hall are joining forces to produce a star-studded off broadway musical called midnight rave reviews yeah midnight it's called midnight scooter braun and todrick are making magic together on the new york theater scene so the mogul and the entertainer have joined forces on a new off-broadway musical called midnight which has been attracting celebrity supporters and drawing enthusiastic reactions from audience why what's so great about the play like why do people care um that's a great question i don't know about the play but he is a producer alongside todrick who wrote directed choreographer choreographed and stars in the production so it's a todrick production and like obviously like off-broadway shows don't really make the fast five but this is an extremely interesting pairing of course because todrick is a former close friend of taylor swift closest closest it's been apparent for a few years now that they're not friends anymore he like likes some shady stuff and also the only content he has to post like in support of her is old photos there's no new photos there's no new it ends at the you need to calm down era yes and then also i remember when taylor and scooter taylor v scooter was going down todrick piped in calling scooter greedy and i just thought that was so i didn't like it at the time you the use of the word greedy i just didn't like todrick's presence at all yeah and the fact that now well he was always like a controversial friend of taylor's because he in his own right has like a lot of sort of controversy surrounding him about like how he works and how he acts like what um like toxic workplace stealing ideas off big like i mean hugely you couldn't take two steps without seeing todrick the virgin airlines jackie the the music videos he used to do yeah like the nine boxes yeah it was a time and it's been abundantly clear for a while that they are not friends and borderline enemies like a match he was like such a trusted confidant like imagine fumbling that he used to be a client of hers of hit of scooters todrick was a client of scooters he tweeted in 2019 for those asking i left scooter braun a long time ago i am saddened by this news by but not shocked i think that's about the master's thing he's an evil person whose only concern is his wealth and feeding his disgusting ego i believe he is homophobic and i know from his own mouth that he is not a swift fan oh my so for them to be in business together now is crazy for todd i just want to say i could never i don't even care what the business is like i could never go into business with somebody who said that about me of course and no it's like i don't know what scooters motivations are especially because i can off broadway play like like you're a billionaire did you forget waste of time but for todrick it's like wait you think this is an evil homophobic individual and so either it was not true when you said it because now you're working with him or you you are so unscrupulous or you're just so unscrupulous you're just brushing that aside because right you need that billionaire money from your off-road by play right so strange loser sneeze yeah agreed todrick like the fumble of the century nobody was more like relevant in culture and up taylor swift's ass like she was obsessed with him yeah i wonder what happened something happened and then he like switches sides to her op and now is publicly i just want to say that's the worst type of person in the world such loser behavior like on all counts and i understand why it's attractive to like you know go with your enemy's enemy but like you know i was thinking about the other day like when we learned in um earl meets world that alex cooper had called zandra and instead of like zandra who probably like has lots of anger towards alex earl for a multitude of reasons instead of like you know engaging in that she told alex like such a stand-up gal thing to do um it's very tempting to want to work with your enemy's enemy like yes but honestly it makes you look like such a loser it really does yeah especially when they were your own enemy to begin so unscrupled yeah i'm trying to like zandra like doesn't get enough credit for that don't you feel yeah i just keep bringing it up like good for her please do leah michelle saw the show she said i've been forever changed my heart and soul has been ripped open i've never cried so much in a show i've never been so moved in a show if you are a new uh oh no that was an american idol finalist who said that but leah michelle did go to the show oh my and said that and and she said this is the most extraordinary show i've ever seen i cried the entire show i cried the entire show it was so beautiful please run to see the show this is amazing it's extraordinary it's beautiful leah girl i'm not buying it no but i am because then someone else said the same thing what's the show about no idea i don't really like off-broadway i saw one show off-broadway it was probably like super musical because tadrick like is very camp yeah yeah and then scooter has been like showing support for the show on social media like what's going on what is going on i haven't heard the name tadrick in years like for real yeah those youtube videos like when he would release them time stopped yeah and then he was taylor's best friend like it was it was probably so much fun being tadrick during those like five years but how did tadrick fuck it all up i don't know genuinely can never be me never so anyways i just think this is strange of course it is an unlikely duo and like not cool of tadrick no not cool and yeah i would love like what is scooter's motivation with this off-broadway show that sounds incredible that sounds life-changing like peter sometimes when you're so wealthy and you have like lots of different companies under your company like maybe one of his company's subsidiaries does off-broadway production you know this is the poster these are the producers his name is right there there's it's not like scooter braun sb projects it's scott scooter braun interesting he's but he's one two three four five six seven the eighth name down is it alphabetical or anything no just interesting you know taylor's like i've been throwing darts at her dartboard i actually think she doesn't care about todrick anymore like that's not someone she has like a dartboard for definitely scooter i just can't believe todrick treated that tweeted that about scooter that's it's and now he's working with him imagine looking in the eyes of the person you treated that about and imagine someone tweeting that about you oh my god i know work with them but i feel like hollywood people are so unrelatable it's very like unaffected no and i feel like he's very like enlightened and just like forgiving you know what i mean he like talks a lot on podcasts and stuff and i just feel like he's like he's giving like healed he's giving healed he's like floating above once again i also think he's like the happiest man on the planet right now i mean when sydney sweeney is like literally in love with you and she wants to change her religion to be with you like yeah i think a lot of guys would be healed okay todrick yeah right here's your little here's a check for your little play are you ready for our next story so some more news from citizen kim oh keeping up with the kardashian producers say that they edited out a 30-minute battle of kanye west ripping into the kardashian family in 2020 so in the forthcoming biography citizen kim the writer pulls back the curtain on kim and kanye's divorce when they talk about the editors of the kardashians like that's the girls i just want to say yes well so they filmed this and it did not air in october 2020 the entire family came together to celebrate caitlin's birthday and they were like oh my god i'm going to die i'm going to die i'm going to die i'm going to die after an already turbulent several months during which kanye launched an unsuccessful presidential campaign and i forgot about that subsequently accused kim as well as chris of trying to lock him up so uh the producer and this is far naz farjam who's been a producer on keeping up forever kanye came to caitlin's house with kim and he just started ripping into the chris and the family and questioning them about not voting for him oh my god that's funny he just made it all about himself that whole 30 minute battle was very telling but we had to edit it out by the time the episode ultimately aired in june 2021 kim had already filed for divorce viewers got to see the fallout from the tirade so there's a scene of kim crying to her sisters where she says i just honestly can't do this anymore i feel like a fucking failure and it's like a third fucking marriage yeah i feel like a fucking loser so that conversation followed him yelling at everyone right right right i am i mean we know for actually for many years they did protect kanye i feel like they don't really anymore and he has calmed down um so the fact that this didn't get aired like does make sense there also was i don't know where it's from i feel like kanye also films his whole life and i think he released this there's like two scenes of like him yelling at chris saying that like he wasn't like this before he met them and like he blames them for everything and then the scene of kanye yelling at kim and they're like in the studio and she's like you weren't always like this and it's we've ever seen him like really be crazy and i feel like it's footage he released they really did go out of their way to protect him for as long as they could yeah which i guess is admirable when that's like the father of your children but um once again like seriously could never be me yeah but there are just some things even if it makes them look like they're just some things you don't show like and of course especially like with a mentally ill you know and then even like but that's real dirty family laundry and yes and i think a lot of people just would not respect airing that and i also think that a long time ago they decided like this show was not going to be this transparent on like it's just a show yeah but and they do like they show the slap they show fights yeah like they go there the ugliest moments no and you shouldn't agreed agreed you shouldn't and you won't curry favor with viewers it's like megan and harry they showed the ugliest things they told the nastiest stories they bared too much and people didn't like it well at the time they did no no but the i think the book was like first when they were starting to tell these stories some people were like hey you know that's too much she's an old lady but for the most part like people were really like living with it yeah but for the most part like people were really like living with it living for it yeah to a point and then i think with the book that was really when the tide started to turn because they were just telling all these unnecessary stories that are of course from one person's point of view and we see how things can really be skewed when someone tells their side from their perspective and their thoughts with their slant yeah and people don't want to see that yeah i think it because it makes you look like a bad person i think for some people yes i'm the type of person where it's like if you tell me this crazy story yeah i'll be like gooped and dragged but i will also being like why are you telling me this yeah i think a lot of people just enjoy the stories and like maybe don't and i don't think i don't know what it was about megan and harry like truly i don't know what flipped the switch it was literally the netflix show which is insane because it was the least offensive thing they did since they left oh that was like compounded that was when she went into the netflix show like tides had started to turn but what do you think it was like for me i remember it feeling like the book and the audio clips and the frozen penis and um yes spare that was when people i feel like had had enough and the oprah interview the netflix docu-series that they did people loved the oprah interview people loved the docu-series people were still like tt a couple of you guys were like hey this is just like a really intimate detail and this is very slanted yeah you know and you're telling me to talk about a family that you know is never going to respond they don't do this you're telling me a situation and you're casting like your assumptions onto those people but what if they didn't what if they weren't ill-intended like what you're not giving anyone the benefit of the doubt and i think like with spare this whole long book they've been peddling the story for years now yeah i think that's when people started to feel more comfortable expressing he still owes his publisher two books right it was a three book deal interesting maybe that's why they fled they're going to make drama so they have more stuff to write about maybe that's why they fled the country right do they have um extradition anyways count me in for reading citizen kim and kind of obsessed with this whole kanye argument having happening at caitlyn's house yeah like i'm really glad for caitlyn to be included yeah also the person who's writing the book is someone who profiled kim for vogue in 2019 and i guess they hit it off hit it off and she liked him and was like okay you could do it but i do look forward to hearing more about that process on kardashians this season i'm behind on kardashians because the second episode came out right but it didn't come out it comes out like tonight you know that's when the first opportunity we have to actually watch it i can't stand it our fifth and final story some more book news oh my goodness is it the more book news that's brought to you i'm such a mess today brought to you by quince yes it is you know those pieces in your closet that you find yourself reaching for over and over again a sweater that somehow works with everything jeans you know will always fit right a bag you 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So right, we're- Are you in different rooms? We're in different rooms. Where were you, upstairs? I said, do you remember anything else? She said, not really. I can just visualize him watching it in the den, but I have no specific memories about it. I said, any cast members? She said, like maybe an athlete, I think. Okay. Like a football player. Maybe ask Margo. Like who? Margo was five. And who'd she say? She's typing. But I am going to Kim's season. And let's see if that athlete- I don't think she would know him by name because there's an NFL player who made it to the top two. Ochocinco? Warren Sapp. She wouldn't know that. But maybe that's who he was rooting for. Unless Warren Sapp like played on the Jets. Can you tell me? Because like, I don't think daddy was like really huge into football. He just really liked the Jets. Okay. He played for the Buccaneers. Yeah, really just the Buccaneers. It's not fair now because after I said that, I Googled the early cast. And now I can tell you, I can like visualize him watching Emmitt Smith. And I also remember Apollo Ono. So those are different seasons. Maybe he was like really obsessed with it. He watched it over multiple seasons. Yeah, I just remember the last day he watched it. No, I feel like I remember. It's a trauma response. No, I feel like I remember him pointing out to me like, your girl Kim, she's got eliminated. It was like a point of like. Yeah, because we liked Kardashian. Right. And I feel like that's why I remember that day she got eliminated because he was trying to tell me like, your girl Kim. That's your girl, she sucks. She got eliminated. I think I really am remembering correctly. I'm so. I don't doubt, honestly. I'm not. September 30th, Claudia. The timing is chilling. And you would remember like the last thing he watched. And I would have gone to the house for Rosh Hashanah. Yeah, definitely. Like I would have been. I would have been in the house that day. Like how did we find out where we were for Rosh Hashanah 2008? We probably could. I just feel like we weren't there. I don't know why. Okay, let me ask Olivia. Where did we spend Rosh Hashanah 2008? Where did we spend first night? Oh, you're calling her. Okay. I'm trying again. I know she's on calls. I just feel like I could have seen us being in Florida like with our cousins. No, no, no. We were definitely in New York because we didn't. We had school like. We were definitely in New York. Okay. In the days leading up. We hadn't just, we didn't have a tan at the funeral. No, that's true. We were very ghostly at the funeral. We did not have a tan at the funeral. So if you're worried about it being Florida, the only other place we could have been is in the city. You know, like we were children of divorce. We had to split. Hi. Hi. Okay. You're live on the show. I really need your help because you're not like what you said is. You're not helping. That's it. But it doesn't corroborate my story. Do you have any recollection of where we spent Rosh Hashanah the year that daddy died? So it was like a couple of days before. In 2008. Like the days leading up. Like where did we have? Where did we have Rosh Hashanah? She's on. Who wants to be a millionaire? Literally phone a friend. Well, tell her to get to work. Like go investigate. Find a way to find out where we had Rosh Hashanah in 2008. That's your homework for tonight. That she can do. Okay. Thank you so much. We love you. Check phone records. Check, you know. Just check. I don't know. Photos. Call Verizon. She can do it. She's the FBI. Okay. Our fifth and final story, which was some more book notes, is Jesse Draper has announced that she is writing a memoir. Yes. This is our third. Our third memoir from the real secret lives of Mormon wives. We had Macy, now Layla, man of the house. And now Jesse Draper, cutting ties. It's a good name, by the way. Very good. I am very interested in her pre-secret lives life. Like I think she had like a very, like, sorry, her and Jordan. No, she also had another marriage before Jordan. Yeah. She built up Jay-Z styles before she was on the show. I think there are a couple years of interest there. Yes. And like she gets, like, I don't know if I was like seeing a snarky TikTok, but I think that there was drama with her first husband because she got pregnant. And then the streets were saying that baby was actually Jordan's, which worked out because she ended up marrying Jordan. So like, I don't know. They were like questioning the paternity of her children, which if that's like tea-filled good for a memoir, I would love to know. Yeah. I think this sounds really good. I think she's also, I don't know if she's like a couple years older than the rest of the cast, but like some, like, I think she just has more life lived. Yeah. And stories to tell, especially pre-Slamu, you know, I don't like, we've seen what's happened since. And she's been on the show. There seemed to be a few key years. Yeah. That we never got clarity on, on the show. She had a first husband and it didn't end well. And then how did she end up with Jordan? And she built, she was already rich. Like, yeah. Yeah. I'm sad. That's where I think a lot of like the animosity and like the jealousy from the other women and men in the show is that like, she doesn't need the show. She, her business is extremely successful and she was, she had a nice house. Like when, on season one, episode one, nobody else did. Yeah. But it's like the, you think she doesn't need the show, but she's actually the only one who fucking behaves on the show. Like, you know, and like narrates and is patient and goes through the story a lot. She shows up to everything. You know what I mean? Like the, it's actually, she just has like a really good work ethic. Yeah. Right. And like, she's a professional. Maybe because she has a business, she's just professional. Even when she came here, she's professional. Yeah. Cutting Ties is a good name too. It is. Really great job. It passes the Toast Memoir Board of Approval. It does. It will come out next summer. So, uh, Swirly Memoir update. Let's dive into Dear Toasters, our weekly advice segment where every Thursday you guys can write in to us if you ever wanted to like, you know, find out what we thought of your situation. Well, you have a chance now every Thursday, deartoastersatgmail.com. That's the email you can write to or head over to our website, thetoastpodcast.com. There's a submission box when you scroll down. Totally anonymous either way. Don't worry. Hey, Jackson Claude. Love you girls so much. Is my husband gay? A little over a year ago, the company my husband works for hired someone to split the workload because his company has grown so much. They were of course- Because he was too gay to do the job. They were of course just work colleagues. They then eventually realized how much they both enjoy football and playing fantasy football. And last fall, they spent every single day. That a game was on watching it in my husband's man cave. I didn't think much of it last year, but something seems different this time. During Monday night football, I went downstairs to see if they wanted any dessert that I made, queen, and the door was locked. I was really confused and I knocked, but the door was never opened. The next day I mentioned it and he shrugged it off by saying it was a huge game between the bills and whoever. They were running and they didn't want to be interrupted and couldn't possibly hear me knocking because the game was so loud. They text each other constantly, speak on the phone every night and obviously see each other at work. What do I do? Ask him, I really need your gay husband. Expertise. Put a camera in there. Well, I just want to say, I, I don't know, like a lot of people personally, I haven't had a lot of experience with like somebody who turned out to be gay, but like, I feel like they wouldn't be doing it like in such plain sight. Like coming over to my house, like where my wife is and like texting and FaceTiming every night. Like it's not like he's calling in secret cause you know about it. So the locking of the door is extremely suspicious. Like doors don't need to be locked really ever. No. Um, put a camera in there and let's get to the bottom of it. Yeah. You do need to know for one game, just watch how they behave for one game and then take it out and you'll know. I think that a personal audit would also be appropriate here. Like is your husband gay? They also might've been doing drugs. And if you have kids, they might've locked the door for that. Like they might've been smoking pot. That, well, you would've smelled the pot, but having edibles, that is a really good point. Like what else could they have been doing that they would need the door locked? Yeah. And I'm assuming that they have gambling, um, or no, maybe he's like doing the drugs in secret. Right. So from the beginning. And it's like, you don't want just a child like stumbling into the room. Of course. That's really interesting. What did you make for dessert? I'm just curious. Sounds good. But like you also, there are other reasons besides like locking the door. Like does your husband, is he sexually active? Like there are things that you could probably surmise. Have you ever thought your husband was gay before this? One baby monitor for one game and we'll have all the answers we need. Yeah. But also like, is this the first time you've ever thought your husband was gay? Yeah. Like for the most part, like gayness is not just like. It could be like a blimp on the radar. It could be a latent life. He could. Or like, you know, very Taylor Strecker. Like it's just, it's not about the sexuality. It's not the person where it's like he happens to have met his person at one point. work sorry they like hired another him little did they know match yeah nanit personal audit just one game keep an eye that's fine you gotta know these things of course yeah safe sex like you just gotta know next up hey swirlies i need your help i just started seeing a new therapist and after my first session i found out that we have some mutual friends and we're invited to the same birthday party for a close friend and our first session i was really vulnerable i shared a lot and i felt a really good connection with her i think she's so great and i really don't want to start over and try to find someone new but i also can't get over how awkward this is help you have to go like yeah that's not an option i wouldn't be worried that like anything you shared with her is like now compromised just because you know the same people like then you can trust that like the one session you guys did like we'll stay with her forever like don't worry but how do you feel about having a therapist your own age i think some people like it some people don't i wouldn't not that i have like extensive therapy back like experience but i imagine i would look for someone who's like wiser and older who has like lived and um but i guess some people want some people who are like late or like wouldn't judge like if you're like you know having threesomes or whatever like i can imagine it's attractive to some people um you obviously cannot continue with the therapist like that's just wrong and weird i think she should and probably would recuse herself does she know you're going to the same birthday party yeah no if they discovered they had mutual friends then that was a two-way discovery she said i found out that we have mutual friends i don't know if the lady knows yet oh so maybe just let her find out and she'll take care of it for you someone else had the practice and she could pass over your file right go through it all again it's also just one session yeah i think like the first session of therapy it's like a huge dump you're just gonna have to do it again absolutely not they hear like so much stuff your stuff was probably not even that crazy i know it's like everybody thinks their story is like so interesting but like you don't know the guy next door like you're fine you're totally fine but absolutely not like in no world is this okay yeah all right third and final hey swirlies sounds like she could be a good friend for you if you have friends you're the same age you go to the same parties like maybe she could just be your friend like for free yeah maybe that's why you connected like because she's a friend a thousand percent a thousand percent who needs therapy when you got good friends i love that hey swirlies i stumbled upon a really interesting situation i was listing a piece of furniture for sale on facebook marketplace and i noticed one of my neighbors recently posted something for sale as well i clicked on the listing because i'm nosy and i then clicked on the seller profile to see what else they have for sale i noticed that all of their listed items are pieces of furniture from our neighborhood clubhouse the listing photos were literally taken inside the clubhouse i find this so bizarre this individual was previously on the hoa board last year he posted in the neighborhood group telling everyone that the hoa did not have enough funds for christmas lights um and asked for donations to be venmoed to his personal venmo to pay for the lights obviously people were like what the lights go up people were like what the fuck and the post was removed after a day never to be talked about again so i'm assuming now they magically found the funds for the christmas lights so here's my question should i do or say something i thought about casually liking one of the listings so that he can see that somebody saw it or even messaging and being like lol are we selling the clubhouse furniture and like make a joke of it do i go full karen email the management company on board i'm not one to typically get involved i like to watch a drama from a distance but this seems really fucking weird what should i do so i think that there's a world in which this is totally normal like if he is head of the hoa and say they're revamping the clubhouse the hoa is selling somebody has to use their facebook profile to sell the furniture this could be nefarious but this could be one of the like an episode of like that's so raven where it's like you know a lot of suspicious things and then they all are explained away yeah and like maybe he was trying to get lights for the neighborhood and used his personal memo because he didn't know that was like inappropriate hoa doesn't have a venmo and if he's the one doing the transaction like he could be stealing yeah but like i would have been curious to see if the lights went up um also i would talk to someone else on the hoa and just be like are we redoing the clubhouse and then they would either be like oh yeah we're getting some new furniture or no what are you talking about you'd be like wait he's selling the furniture yeah don't automatically assume that he's innocent because it's entirely possible that he's yeah it's entirely possible that this is innocent and he's doing all this work on behalf it's like an older gentleman using facebook and he's like using his personal time and like energy to do this stuff for the community you sound like an ingrate or he's stealing selling furniture like yada yada yada you're i don't think he's just selling off furniture and then like not gonna have an explanation for it photographing it in the clubhouse like but you know older people like they might not know like yeah they might do something that's stupid you know like because you think if you're trying to be like clug you would take a photo and have like ai you know put it in the clubhouse and then you're like oh my god in someone's backyard for the listing photo but if he's an older gentleman acting innocently i think he is too and he obviously posted that venmo thing and then people were like you know you can't do this and he just deleted it like because he's oh my bad my bad because he got in trouble because he might be in a field but meanwhile he's just trying to beautify your neighborhood yeah just ask around don't like launch a formal complaint yet ask around ask another hoa member like are we redoing the clubhouse yeah ask a couple see what they say there are ways to find out about this you know he sounds like a really hard-working hoa member i just want to say being the president of like an hoa or something like that job and you have people who just assume the worst in you truly thankless job and people everyone ends up hating you because like just so nature of the job is like you have to tell people no or you have to like run a tight ship or you know tight budgets or whatever um i would never run for one of those positions like in my building like literally never they're just gonna accuse you of that they're gonna yeah a thousand percent and you really can't do a good job of it you know i'm not gonna lie to you i'm not gonna lie to you i'm not gonna yeah you could try your hardest but people are just like the job is good when like nobody notices you you know and then you get no things like when things are running smoothly that means you did a good job it's true nobody like goes to say hey thanks no you only ever interact with the hoa when you're getting in trouble like oh your grass needs to be cut or your bushes need to be moved or whatever like no one's having positive interactions with hoa it's not like the hoa calls and says like your house looks great you know it's always like when you're in trouble or like you're getting a fine for something right like it's a thankless job and i just feel like you might be seeing the worst or he's a total thief acting in plain sight i don't think so but you're gonna find out let us know yeah just start start sticking around but don't get like a reputation for being like a an ungrateful homeowner nobody wants to be that we'll put a lien on your house a thousand percent and then like once the hoa months ahead of the hoa like is your op has designated you can and will like make your life hell a lot of times you know they look the other way it's not such a big deal no he'll be sending you notices because you're the girl who tried to get him fired and arrested like or he's a thief and a criminal we're not sure i don't think so i would give him the benefit of the doubt too yeah well that's your toasters thank you to everybody who wrote in and thank you to the dtq for your patience and thank you to everybody for listening so it felt really cut and dry like yes it's about those it's nice sometimes we're like really put in the middle of like a moral dilemma and sometimes like it's just right from wrong with the man cave gay 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