The Nazca Mummy Investigator Who Went to Peru Saw Them With His Own Eyes | Will Brown

Hey, guys, if you're not following me on Spotify, please hit that follow button and leave a five-star review. They're both a huge help. Thank you. So, I'm open-minded on, you know, finding new evidence of things, whether it be in history or things in recent history and stuff that's happened that has some ends up having some sort of proven explanation that says this is not human, whatever that may mean. You know, it also, the definition of alien gets interesting because I always cite this example and it's just my own. It's not defined, but, you know, when you watch the movie, Interstellar, Matthew McConaughey leaves Earth one day. He comes back aged like a year or two and he comes back to an Earth that has moved whatever it was, 85, 90 years. To me, he is someone from a different time coming back to a place that is different than he left it by literal longevity of him leaving it, therefore he is an alien, right? So it's like, you also got to get to like, well, what is an alien? Is there such thing as future humans if they have people figured out how to do time travel and all that? I don't know. But what I do know is a couple things. Mathematically, when you look at the probabilities of the universe and a really nice conversation with David Kipping about this, who's fucking awesome, and he'll be back for sure. He was, I did 258 with, there are 358 with him and he was great. But, you know, when you think about just how vast the galaxy is and how much of it we still don't know about, the idea that there isn't mathematically probable that there is other intelligent life out there to me is almost at a zero. Same. Right? Like, does that mean it's all over the place and is that mean they're visiting Earth? Exactly. It doesn't mean that it's all over the place because the number of things they have to go right for a habitable world to produce intelligent life is, I mean, it's extensive, right? We're a rarity. We're not common. But when you don't even know how big the galaxy is, it could be anywhere. And to your point, exactly, like, you don't know if they have come here. What I will say is that I'm sure people could notice I have covered that stuff a lot less over the past year plus, you know, I had in my friend Chris Ramsey, who's like a historian of all the different stories to come together. That was a lot of fun. Totally. But outside of that, I have not talked about aliens with people that aren't fucking physicists where it's a scientific explanation because so much of the noise that has been injected into this space, whether it be people that I've had on who worked in the fucking government, which you know that risk when you take it, when you bring that on, or the people that they bring forth as witnesses is just so off. And, you know, I did one with a good friend of mine, James Fox, who brought Jason Sands in here. And the story, you know, Jason has a, has a, to his credit has as a former military member and all that. Like, he has some severe PTSD. His story is wrong. It's not real. Like, he had to break it to people and it was extremely obvious to me when he was here that it's not real. He believed that he believes it, but that's not what happened. And it's very clear. And so when I see the people that push that guy hard, hard on the James Fox and I know who they are. And then I think about all the other stories and people that they've pushed and guys like Chris Bledso who I do not believe is telling the truth at all. Right? Oh my God. The Iron Lady is going to come down or whatever. By the way, the, oh, yeah, it's April now. It's going to be October, conveniently. And his son's creating a podcast on it. I see stuff like this and I go, woo, too much bullshit. So when I have these conversations, I try to look at it with whatever fucking facts we can find or whatever scientific mathematical probabilities could exist. And I try to keep it to like, you know, some sort of an educated conversation. Does that make sense? Yeah. Totally. And for the record, I'm not in the UFO, and you should all right, right. That's right. It's interesting to me and apparently, you know, a lot of these whistleblowers are saying, yeah, a lot of them are ours, but there is a certain percentage that aren't like that heard from somewhere. But I'm also, there's probably political reasons to get everybody worried and scared about aliens. And so I worry about that too. And that's one of the reasons I did the, I ended up feeling compelled to do what I did with the Nazca mummies once I came to the, I don't know if you want to get into that now. We're, let's do it. Right. We've been teasing it. We were teasing it in the last episode, which had a great conversation on, on all this other stuff, which is just all fascinating. Your channel's great, man. But the Nazca mummy thing, I do want to disclose my own personal history with this. Yeah. I was approached about two years ago, almost exactly two years ago by, I forget the fucking guy's name, but someone representing Jaime. Yep. What's his last? Mouse on. Yeah. Jaime, mouse on. One of, if not the most common DMs I get on Instagram are many of you asking me what my favorite books are. Well, today's your lucky day, because if you use the link in my description below to join my newsletter, I'm going to give you my top 10 book recommendations right now. Also, if you'd like to join my clipping community for a chance to make money producing content from the show, you can do so via the Discord link in my description below. And finally, you can join my Patreon for early uncensored releases of the full episodes via the Patreon link about a subscription below. As always, please take one second to hit that subscribe button. If you haven't already, I really appreciate that. Also, the like button's a big help, and you can join my newsletter via the link in the description below. Who's like the dude who's been pushing this? Yep. And one of them, but yeah. Yeah. And I don't have a problem saying this, but I got on a Zoom call with Jaime, mouse on. And my bullshit meter was beeping at a fucking 45 on a scale of 1 to 10. I respectfully, I can't remember talking to someone that within 10 seconds, I was more sure it was completely full of shit in a long, long time. And so I listen, this is what I mean. You've got to have integrity with this stuff. I could have done a fucking, he wanted to call it, he's like, so when are we doing this? He wanted to come on the podcast, I could have done fucking 1.5 million views on that podcast, re-cut it up on all the clips, made fucking all kinds of money on it. And I was like, absolutely not. We're never fucking doing this. I never talked to him again. And it made me think that because he's pushing it, the whole story's bullshit. So I have to admit, I had immediate bias on that, like this is complete bullshit. Yeah. Fast forward. My friend Jesse Michaels, who you now know as well, who also reached out to you, which is great to discuss this. Yeah. I had a whole documentary on it and I'm like, oh boy, I get on the phone with Jesse. I talked to him, but I'm like, what do you think? And to his credit, he was not like, it definitely happened. He was like, you know, I kind of want the audience to decide. But his video is nuanced. He did talk to Jaime and there and I told him very strongly in New Jersey terms on the phone, what I thought a fucking Jaime. But there were other people he talked to as well who I couldn't speak one because I wasn't familiar with them. And frankly, when it came to the rest of the case, outside of me like having a very clear lie detector test on Jaime, I'm not going to sit here and tell you I'm educated or whatever. But you have literally gone to the press conferences on this. You've talked to all the people, including a lot of people that I'm unfamiliar with or maybe don't even remember that maybe we're in Jesse's documentary. And in your opinion, you believe that this whole thing is not real. So. The hoax. So let's, I want you to go into as much detail as possible. I want you to break it down. Let's start at the beginning for people that don't know what the Nazca mummies are. Can you just give an explanation of what they are and when they originated as a discussion? Yes. In 2017, there was a mummy that was presented to the public named Maria. That is what they call a tridactyl bean meaning it has three fingers and three toes. Could we pull that up to you, Maria? Yeah, Maria. And so, Gaia is a big, Gaia, the media company is the big one that released some of the early documentaries on this. But the story is that this was found by a walk arrow, which is a grave robber out there. And to be fair, that is who would find an amazing discovery, right? Like, they have no, this is not Maria, but that's one of the newer ones. But if you put in Maria, specifically with the Nazca mummies, and so there's an institution called the Incari Institute that was early in on this, yep, that one with the red background there. That's Maria. And you can see the three fingers there. And immediately they start pushing this as a new species and some type of alien bean. They do, you know, they bring out these specialists from Russia who you can never kind of figure out what their actual academic background is. But also immediately professionals down in Peru, throughout all the noise, are saying, hey, these are fake. There's a lot of, there's a lot of things that are screwed up here with the anatomy. And we're going to talk about the anatomy here in just a moment. Who were these, just for context, who were these professionals? So, the guy named Dr. Gizmundi is one of them, Flavio Estrada, who was the head of the Ministry of Culture. And then several other people that I'm losing their name. But Flavio Estrada is like a forensic archaeologist, anthropologist. And then Gizmundi is an anthropologist as well. And so they're… other debunks got drowned out immediately and as if you go to my YouTube channel right now, you'll see my debunks are like my least performing videos of the last year. It's not exactly very popular to say that the alien mummies aren't alien mummies. I think probably because some people just think that it's obvious and then the others that want to believe, you know, anyways, fast forward to 2023. So these things got debunked a bunch of times over the year. But then in 2023, September, if you remember right, the Mexican Congress debacle happens where Jaime Malson shows the Mexican Congress these little mummies, these little three fingered mummies that are probably about three feet tall. And it goes viral. It goes absolutely wild. They're talking about it on cold bear report. They're talking, nil de grass Tyson ways, ways in. And immediately they're all dismissed by most people. But these proponents are really hitting it hard. Well, then in December of 2023 slash January, 2024, they find some of these dolls trying to be smuggled through the Lima airport. And they go into scans and they go, okay, these are animal bones, case dismissed. These are closed. And this is where I go. There was a person that was from Palpa, the area where a lot of these are coming from that claim that he was just making art souvenirs to sell in Mexico. And so it all gets dismissed as a hoax. And this is where I actually got interested because to me that wasn't good enough, I knew about Maria. And I knew Maria was not animal bones. Whenever the debunkers were doing this at the beginning, not all of them, but the ones that were in the media, they were saying that these were all a mix of animal bones. But Maria was different. Maria is clearly some type of human, right? That's three fingers and three toes. Spoiler alert, Maria is just a normal homo sapient that's been butchered in Frankenstein. But we'll talk about that in a moment. So I go down there with an iPhone and a drone. And I start getting in contact with a lot of the proponents. And I am making, and I'm interviewing them. And I make this documentary called Show Me the Mommies, because as much as I tried, they would not show me the mummies at the time. It was kind of sensitive to go find them. And in that documentary, I'm kind of playing that I'm sitting on the fence. I'm telling you the timeline of the stories. I'm telling you the proponents side of the story. And I'm telling you a little bit of the naysayers side of the story as well. And then about a year later, I get an opportunity to go actually see Maria for myself. This is in April of 2025. Sorry, let me back up. I was also at the infamous press conference. It was like really one of the only English reporters there. The one in Mexico, the one in Lima that got rated by the Ministry of Culture during the what happened there? It's not it's actually on my YouTube. But they were announcing that they were there were larger mummies that were about to be presented to the public. And during that announcement, this is also when they announced that there were going to be American scientists that were looking into all of this. And during that announcement, the Ministry of Culture came in, took over the press conference, thinking that there were bodies there that they were going to confiscate. Yeah, this is it right here. If you kind of fast forward, you'll see the drama. Back up a little bit, back up, back up like to like one third the way through. The time I talking. Yeah. I mean, keep talking. I'm trying to find. And so, and so this place gets it made national news. The raid. Go back to like the beginning beginning. You'll see some of it, maybe like three minutes in. And and so a fast forward a year later, I get a chance to actually go see Maria for myself. And around this time, I'm also viewing the skeptic side of the argument a lot more serious. And when I see Maria for the first time in person, and if you go to my, you don't have to go now, but when you get a chance, if you go to my PDF, here's the raid, by the way, it was just absolute chaos in there. I have an image in my PDF, one of the first photos that shows Maria in 2017 versus Maria now. And my alarm bells just start screaming right here. You can see this diatomaceous earth that she's covered in or plastered in, in my opinion, is starting to completely erode away. And if you zoom in, Joey, on that chin of the 2025 image, like zoom in really close to the chin, go to the right. Yep. There appears to be like fiberglass tape right there. Something is Maria is starting to reveal herself. So I start getting really skeptical. And there's a guy named Dr. Dan, and I was already skeptical. But there's a guy named Dr. Dan Proctor, a bioanthropologist that specializes in the hands and the feet. And he had been for like two years trying to get a hold of a lot of people that were studying this. And he believes that there is clear evidence that Maria, and if you go to slide three here, has had her hands and feet amputated. And one of the things that convinced me, and I am not an expert in anatomy, but you can see it for yourself right here, you see where it says trapezium distal, articular surface. That appears to be what that is. That's where the thumb bone or the metacarpal one of the thumb bone should be attached to. And if something evolved with three fingers, there should be no reason that that trapezium distal surface, articular surface, which looks exactly like ours, there should be no reason that that's there. And then for good measure, if you go to the next slide and for that metacarpal one that's missing from there appears to be in this by metacarpal one, I mean the thumb bone. They appear to have put it in the second Philangy. Yep, go back, go to four right there. They appear to have put it in the second Philangy right there. And so they're Frankenstein in these things. And so in December, I guess in August or July, I'd seen a picture of these giant heads with that were clearly fake. And I could send you some pictures of those later, and this was with the whistleblower Waqero, the guy that supposedly found Maria. He's posing with these fake giant heads. And I just knew that that image once it went public because I was told I couldn't release it because somebody had the exclusive rights to it. I basically told him I was like, tell him they got four months because like people need to know about this. And once it came out, all hell broke loose. People started calling these a hoax again. And that's when me, myself, Dr. Proctor, Dr. Joseph Wilson, an archaeologist at the University of Massachusetts, Amherst, and then a radiographer that I met on Twitter named Shelley got really involved when we made that video. And then fast forward real quick, I've recently interviewed Dr. William Morrison, who's the former president of the Society of Skeletal Radiology. Probably about one of the best people you could talk to about this. And he got the raw, we gave him the raw dicom scans of four of the big mummies. You know, a lot of people say, well, of course, the small ones are fake, but the big ones are, we didn't even touch the small ones for that reason. We just were focusing on the big ones. And he tore these things apart. House. For example, there's one, there's one mummy named Paloma that has human hand bones in her feet. Human hand bones. Human hand bones in her feet. Maria, the original mummy has a clear cut at her Liz Frank joint. And the fascia and the tendons didn't retract back. Meaning it was probably cut after mummification. One of my favorite ones is Antonio. Hey, there's Paloma. Antonio is a mummy that has teenage bones all over their body except for their feet. Their feet appear to be like an elderly man's with arthritis and closed growth plates. There's so many other examples. I think in slide, Joey, if you go to one of my next slides, to me, this is my favorite one. Go to the next one. So the two most famous mummies are Maria and Montserrat. And Montserrat is the one that supposedly has the tridactyl three fingered fetus inside of her. We'll talk about that one in a moment. But Maria here has four philanges and Mark Montserrat has three. And so once this came out, their pivot was, well, they must be a different species. And so the thing is, this whole scam has been going on for a long time. The playbook for this hoax has been going on for a long time. A lot of the doctors that was brought out by Jaime Malson in team, doctors Alse Benitez, were involved in the 2015 Roswell slides hoax if you want to pull them out. Yeah, yeah. What was that? So I might even have slides for it. But by the way, this is all coming back to me too. When I was contacting all that, I try to be very upfront with people on stuff. But sometimes when there's something very scam in, you get on a phone call with someone or a video chat and you're like, all right, sounds good. Yeah, with the one, you get off and you're like, okay, how am I going to get out of this? something that you can do sometimes as first of all, I make People come here, so that helps. And you can always tell by how they react and how they want to schedule. - Yeah. - How much of this is just a press blitz. And I remember before I ghosted them, like they were like, oh, we want you to, he called me, he's like, I want you to come out to Los Angeles and record there. - Right. - Like when we're doing this big press conference, - I remember that press conference. - They wanted to roll it out. And I was like, no, no, no, no. I recorded in New York in my studio. It's like, okay, and then they hit me up, and they're like, all right, what dates work? I was like, maybe like two months down the line or something like that, okay, after the press conference. And then they're like, okay, yeah, we'll fly out there after that. And I didn't say anything about like getting their travel or anything like that. And then it died on the vine because I wasn't doing their fucking press conference rollout. It wasn't gonna be time that way. They weren't just gonna like pick off a quick view session to be able to say, look, Julie Dory picked it up, and then this fucking guy picked it up, and that guy picked it up. Like you can tell behind the scenes, like with some of this stuff, the salacious stuff, there's just some certain tells where it's like, okay, this is just marketing. - Yeah, dog and pony show, marketing. - But please, go through the 2015 house. - Speaking of press conferences, they love their press conferences. It's cooled down a little bit. I'll show you something funny here. So keep on going, keep on going. And so here's the Roswell Slideshokes. You can go back to this real quick. Roswell Slideshokes is a 2015 Jaime Mousen and team that said that this photo right here was an image of an alien from the Roswell Slidesh crash. And Dr. Zalse Benitez, which is in the next frame right here, actually the first time we've ever heard about three fingered aliens is in 2015 before anyone ever knew about the NASCA mummies in this press conference right there. He says, this being only has three fingers. We can be certain that this being only has three fingers. - Well, they didn't think to do a freedom of information act request with the National Park Service to try to figure out where this picture came from. If you go to the next image, I hope this is okay to show. This is a dead Native American child. - Let's make a note of that, deep. Like people will just have to look this up themselves 'cause they can't have this on the screen. We'll just make this full screen with you and I looking at it in the post edit. - But that's good. - Okay, so smart. - It does look like a dead human. I'm not gonna lie. - That was taken at the Mesa Verde Museum in Colorado. And this was found in Arizona at a place called Monosumus Castle. And if you zoom in real quick, I wanna make a point. I'm zooming on that left hand and I know that people won't be able to see this, but just so everyone knows, you see a thumb there, right, Julian? You see back there, there's clearly a thumb right there. - It's where it deeps. - Yep. - Okay. - That's a thumb. - Oh yeah, I see it. - Yeah, okay. - Now, let's go to the next slides here and for those that are listening, we're kind of gonna try to make a point right here. So, yeah, yeah, now you can show us. - Speaking of press conferences, they really like their press conferences. On the left here is the Roswell Slideshokes Press Conference 2015. On the right is the Nascamami's Hokes Press Conference 2017, exact same characters. By the way, Dr. Jose DeLa Cruz is not a doctor. He does not have a PhD in biology. That is a lie. - How did she get away with that? - They just throw shit at the wall. It's, it's, they, - Do you see a doctor in gender, does that mean something? - No, he's like a local biologist, but he is not a doctor, he's not a PhD. And they brought him out for the Roswell Slideshokes and they brought out Zalse Benitez, who's like the number one doctor that everyone sites for the Nascamami's Hokes. And then you can see these same guys in the early days of the Nascamami's. So, if you go to slide 14 right here, this just makes me laugh. This is still a doctor and it's not a doctor, but this is, this is DeLa Cruz. Yeah, that's true. We probably can't show this. My point is he's still promoting these Mami's. And if you zoom in on his banner, he hides the thumbs. They're still saying they're three fingers. - Oh, he changes it so people, 'cause you can't see what we're looking at. - He tweeted this at me a week ago. He's still promoting the Roswell Slideshokes. - Let me explain this just 'cause people can't see this. If you don't mind. So, on the right side, we have the picture that we can't show, which is why this is not on your screen right now, but deep if you go over to the left real quick, he basically recreated this in like a textbook, kind of real life size breakdown with a bunch of labels and stuff and removed the thumb right there. - And removed the thumb. And my point of telling you all this is whatever, like, I don't even like, in my first video, I didn't even really call this out because I was hoping I didn't have to, but people asked for why you think this is a hoax. People are really curious, well, why are your experts more credible than their experts? Well, my experts haven't been pushing the Roswell hoax for the last decade. They haven't been, if you look up the Metapet creature or the Demon Fairy, a lot of these same guys were the Demon Fairy? - A lot of the same DNA guys that they brought out for the Daskamamis were used to try to confirm the Demon Fairy that Jaime Mauson was. - All right, real quick. I just have to go to the bathroom, but let's talk about the Demon Ferrys and it sounds good, if you're a bit. - All right, we're back, Demon Ferrys. - Demon Ferrys, so a lot of the, one of the guys they brought out for the Nascamomis to do some of the early DNA tests was also involved in doing the DNA test of this Demon Fairy that you see here on the screen, which ended up being a bat that thing. - Which, and if you want to kind of play it, you know, you'll see how ridiculous this is. This thing is just full of bat bones. It was a desiccated bat. They proved it once, outside specialist actually got involved. But they did bring out this guy right here to basically say, no, it's not a hoax. The DNA is showing that it's-- - And who's this guy? - This is Ricardo on the side of the road. Ricardo Ranghel, and he's supposedly a geneticist expert. And then he did the same thing with the Metapet Creature, which ended up being a monkey that they also promoted as an alien. And so, listen, this is the Metapet Creature right here. My whole point of this isn't even to flame on this, like whatever, I like funny stories, like I like entertaining television. But now we're talking about people desiccrating ancient bodies, human bodies. - That's crazy. - And people say they haven't been making any money on this. There's been people making money. There's big organizations that sell subscriptions to these documentaries that are making money off this. - And that's the other thing, like you mentioned, Gaia as well. So my friend Darcy Weir has done some-- I think he just made another documentary. - I meant Darcy. - Yes, so Darcy did some amazing work on this and charting, like went through all the depositions from when they got sued and everything and admitted that all the creators admitted that it's all bullshit. And that's why Darcy was, to his credit, was on to the Jason Sand story from day one when Jason Sand's came out because he realized it was like the scene in "Step Brothers" where the psychiatrist is like, "Isn't this just a plot?" The goodwill hunting is like, no, it's the same thing. The things Jason and the terminology Jason was using and telling his story were quite literally lifted from the shit that Gaia was pushing that they admitted under oath they completely made up. - Yep. And Darcy shot out to him. I was unaware of who Darcy was until this happened. And Darcy debunked these in like 2018. The NASCAR Mommies. He did a documentary with Brian Forrester, if it's the same Darcy I'm thinking about. I'm pretty sure it is. - I believe it is. - And so he reached out right away and was super helpful just helping me wrap my mind around all this 'cause he's been on it since 2018. - You know, forget all the people who bamboozle people and make money on this and defraud people and do it. It's fraud if something like this is actually what the evidence seems to show it is, which is that it does appear fraudulent. But you know, it's also the kind of stuff that sets back the credibility of people trying to actually find truth on these things decades. - Totally. - You know, like there was such a unique opportunity here with Christopher Mellon coming out in 2017 and walking out of the Pentagon and going to the New York Times to put this into the actual zeitgeist of like-- - UFOs. - Right. - Like this can be a seriously taken subject. Such a unique opportunity. And watching so many scammers and idiots blow it, has been really difficult because I would, like when I talk to David Kipping about this shit, when I talk to Claudio de Rom about this shit, when I talk to Lee Kron about this shit, I'm so interested because there's immense possibilities. And it's certainly meaning of life type stuff. But like the people who have dominated the conversation unfortunately are not those people. - Yeah, for sure. And let me tell ya, part of it's immediate complex. It's not, if you're trying to, people are saying that I'm grifting by hitting this topic so hard, I've lost money this last month. I, it is not a very profitable, it's not popular to do this. Debunking a new species of human or an alien is not actually very popular. In fact, it kind of gets pushed to the wayside. - Yeah, exactly. And a lot of people, have kind of dug their hills in or even poured cold water on some of this because I think that they had their skin in the game already. They had, you know, a sunk cost with all right, maybe plans to make a documentary in the future. And actually shout out to Jesse Michaels. He called me day one wanting to know what I love that he called me day one. And really on the proponents side of things, you know, Jesse was really the only one that like reached out genuinely wanting to know what this bioanthropologist who has papers that specialize on the evolution of the hands and the feet and what this radiologist who's one of the best radiologists in the world had to say about this. He gave them all a platform. I don't want to speak to, I don't know when that's coming out, but yeah, so. And I do, I do want to say because Jesse, Jesse's a friend, Jesse really does give a shit. You know, and they're and their stuff like, first of all, brilliant guy, brilliant guy, you know, just super great. Yeah, great to talk with awesome dude. I had him in back for episode 240 back in 2024, but we'll do another one at some point here as well. Like he really is a fan of this stuff and he really does believe in this stuff. And like there are some stories he covers that like he's like, well, maybe there's a chance that I'm like, I don't think so. And that's fine, but he is genuinely curious to the point that he doesn't just come in. And when someone like yourself may go make a case that's against something that he's like, oh, this would be really cool if it's true. And be like, well, I'm not going to talk to that guy. And you need more people like Jesse who come at it from like a genuine basis like that to be in this space. I mean, you're putting your, you know, it's a pretty wild topic to be covering. And so occasionally, stuff like this is going to happen. And for sure. His YouTube channel is it's so it's so good. It's got so much great momentum that if these, in my opinion, when these end up being accepted by the public that they're hoax is it's not going to hurt Jesse. No. And and and and so yes, shout out. He did that documentary. By the way, I want to say this like there's not to it. There was nuance to it. He allowed the audience to decide open ended on the end. I had a great conversation with him a few days later as well. Like that was absolutely fine. You can't be afraid to do something that's good later going to be like, yeah, that was wrong. That's the whole point of investigating this stuff. So people should not give up sure. Oh my gosh. Like the amount of shit that I've like gotten wrong or half wrong or should have presented it another way. You know, people give or people are giving him shit right now because obviously his video, it got like a million views. It really started the conversation for these going kind of mainstream again. But actually his video is what helped me tie a few more pieces together when it came to some of these characters that we just talked about. This is all say. Doctors all say Benitez saying that they tried to defeat us had three fingers. You know, that's the one that everyone really hangs up on. It turns out that image that he was using and I actually have this on my PDF. If you find like the image of the scans of the three fingers, go up just right there. It's a cherry-picked image from what Dr. William Morrison said is an image basically that you can't make a diagnostic on. It's too blurry. Dr. William Morrison, the radiology guy I was talking about. And he even thinks that if you look close enough at the un cherry-picked image, like the one that's just like in the top left, that you could actually probably count five fingers. But this is what they cherry-picked out of that. So yeah, they call that windowing. I have a video windowing. Yeah. I don't really know what it means, but I have a Dr. William Morrison's on my latest YouTube video titled, this is a hoax. The title of the video, this is a hoax. The Nazca alien mummy scam. And Dr. William Morrison tears this part of. Can we pull that up and play that? Absolutely. Yeah, let's do it. Let's do that. So once again, Dr. William Morrison here, I'll bet I'll bet by the way, I'll bet your video. Sorry to cut you off, but I'll bet your video if you had just titled it investigating the Nazca mummy. Right. Whatever. Are these real? Right. They would have done very well. Probably. Probably. But you know, this is an end of the chapter for me. So I wasn't, I mean, it'd be nice to get some views on this thing, but yeah. So if you go to the description, I did put timestamps. I don't know why they didn't break them into chapters, but you can see one of those is going to talk about Dr. William Morrison doing the three fingered. Yeah. Got it. Okay. Let's get some volume on this bad boy. So this is the former president of the society of skeletal radiology. Okay. Where? He has, he's an academic radiologist now, but he's practiced all, you know, in all kinds of. All right, let's roll it. Typically they removed the trapezium. So this is a carpal bone that attaches to it. Sorry. The thumb and the trapezium attaches to the scape. Pause. Did we click on the right one that's Dr. William Morrison confirms Maria's thumb has been? No, do the, you were going to want to do. Okay, 0627 the tridactyl three fingered fetus. Fine. Let's. Okay. Here we go. As forward to 2024 and 2025, shortly after it was announced that the mummy monster rot was pregnant, it was Dr. Zalce Benitez that popularized the idea that this fetus had three fingers. At the bottom, there are limbs positioned at the level of the skull. In front of this, we find it extended in a position directed towards the head. If they would be able to spot it. If that potential has the curiosity to be very careful, he won't say this baby has three fingers in the hands and in their. To start, I mean, this is in radiology what we call a non-diagnostic image. It's too low resolution to really make any cogent descriptions of what's going on here. It's a bag of bones. It's low resolution. Everything is mixed up. So what they did was they, it looks like there's extra digits. They winded it such that it looks like they removed the ones that were lower density or lower brightness. That's just my impression that it's wishful thinking on their part. They wanted to see three, so they saw three. But to me, it's kind of funny when you see what looks like five things there and they removed two of them. These two aren't the only experts involved with the. So throughout that entire video, doctor, I just kind of will cut the clips of doctor, William Morrison, just tearing these things apart. This is where the amputation happened on the Lilith's Frank joint. They have hand bones in their feet. They've removed the metacarpal one and they've put it in the second philangie, the trapezium, distal surfaces. I mean, he just breaks these things down for four of the big mummies. He looked at four of them. So a lot of people are trying to say, supposedly the walk arrow has like hundreds of different, at least pieces of different mummies. And every now and then we see some freak, freakish little demon mummy come out. They're all some are small, some are big. And so as for the big ones, I think there's like eight. And yeah, right now they are in just total damage control mode, calling Dr. William Morrison a liar, calling me a grifter, calling Dr. Proctor a liar. But the good news is for the truth is this is blown past the NASCAR mummy's safe space. Dr. Morrison in this video tells me that next year at their Society of Radiology conference, and then also another big conference, which brings in 60,000 radiologists to Chicago in person, that he's going to submit it for presentation. And when you submit something presentation, it goes through a peer review process. And this is all blown past. This little, you know, experts opinion of what these things are. It's about to be in front of a lot of radiologists that quite frankly laugh it. This is a joke. That's what I'm saying. Now, unfortunately, there's going to be a subset of people. And it's not 10 people who are full blown. I want to believe. And even if shown the greatest evidence will say it's not real. And they'll say it's academia. So of course, they're going to debunk it as other parts of academia have debunked things and correctly in the past in other spaces. And that's the unfortunate part because to me, it's and maybe that's just because I'm also a little biased from the beginning because I talked to to Jaime. And you know, I'm not a human lie detector. But I mean, if you've been on that fucking call. Yeah. Now I interviewed him too. And Jaime, you know, he's a charismatic magnetic guy. I've heard he's a lot of fun to be around. And I did interview him. And I interviewed him twice. Once in person, kind of off the cuff when the NASCAR mommy's press conference got rated. And then also on zoom for my original documentary. I liked him. I'm sure he's pissed at me right now. But hey, like, who is what it is? Like, this is wild. And I owed my audience like a formal opinion after two years on this. And yeah, it's people Want to say well, what if these were ancient artifacts maybe they did this in ancient times and it's not actually a hoax First of all, even if that was true. We are this is still a hoax at this point. They've been pushing this so hard Second of all There's reasons that that's not true and it's in my video, but Several there's so many reasons we could talk it. I'll name a couple of them. We got time There have been cuts on the tendons and the fascia of these mummies in those fascia and tendons like if you were to tear your bicep It would roll up into your arm, right? These cuts do not have any retraction Which Dr. Morrison believes indicates that these cuts were made after mummification after desiccation of this body And there's a doctor There's a paleontologist named Dr. Julien Benoit that had the same analysis back in 2018 of some of these and actually I have an image where you can see it's the green image on the pdf of her like Hand if you go down up a little bit right there So Maria has five extensor tendons and one of them's clearly cut at the thumb And yeah, there's no retraction there according to Dr. Morrison. What about the pinky do we have see a cut there? Yeah, so Dr. Proctor In some of his original work talks about it's clearly there's distal surface where the pinky should be as well The thumb so much easier to identify Right That for people and they're that we really focused on that But yeah, and all of these the same thing happens over and over again And what was the element? I can't remember if we were on camera off camera in between talking about this So apologies if this was Said on camera a little bit ago, but what was the element of organized crime as well with this? Yeah, you want covered? Well, these mummies are selling on the black market the black antiquities market For Maria was listed for a million dollars by who by The people that supposedly found these or in my opinion constructed And some of the smaller ones are selling for like their list of her twenty thirty thousand dollars and you think Organized you have evidence to organize crime is handling that I mean that is organized crime But yeah, but are these actual like like mafia organizations in Peru? I've been told that that's what's going on Who told you that? There's people on like there's a lot of stories About people that have went down trying to get to the bottom of some of this and Not today Chico. Yeah, yeah so You know And I can't tell you the quite a few different people that have told me that But it's a well-known thing. I think I'm not to speak for him, but um, well, I'll say what I was gonna say there, but These things there's more to that with the modern day hoax if you look at early pictures of Maria In like 2017 She has like stroke marks on her face like strokes like like paint like somebody like brush like brush marks I could say it's not actual paint, but like they were molding and all that's gone all of that is gone And then the best what I think is some of the best evidence of this is there's actually been whistleblowers Steve Mara is a guy that in september 2023 came out with the documentary saying that these were all the hoax and he had been investigating them for six years And he kind of got blown off up by everybody um and in that documentary He shows a walk carol whistleblower saying I'm the one that went and got them the fetus I went and got them the body parts for all of these I've went and got their Frankenstein They're he tells him how they did it that they have this factory basically where these taxidermists are coming together and making these things taxidermists According to Steve Mara his People on the ground said to taxidermists were involved And why I find that compelling is Steve Mara in september 2023 Predicted he said his walk carol whistleblowers told him That a bigger mummy was being constructed and at the time the only big mummies we had seen was Maria When I'm saying big mummies, I mean the humanoid ones the human ones Five months later at that press conference that I went to They announced Montserrat and all these other ones and Steve Mara's prediction came true And so There's so many things that show that this is a hoax that like The people that need to explain On that are the ones that are saying it's not it's it's it's it's time to like put up or show it out shut up. Yeah shitter get off the pot like They can't peer review because there's no provenance. There's a chain of custody has no one knows about it And they know that and if even if they could it would There are handbone there are human handbones and plomas feet. They know they I think some of these guys know this they have to they're just like They're liars. Yeah, and You know after the roswell slides hoax in 2015 they doubled down They doubled down and they said nope It's not a two-year-old Native American child. That's wrong Yeah, he changed the fucking diagram. He even moved the thumb on the diagram. Yep exactly Exactly and they didn't ever mean to this day that biologist to still promoting it so that's fucking in the end Will this make the NASCAR mommies go away hopefully for like smart People that want to be grounded in reality and want the truth Hopefully it's like we had congressman that we're about to go to Peru and take pictures with Jesus Oh my god, you know, it was starting to become a big deal uh At least they pulled out. Well, I don't know yet They might still be gone. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know bird not perchette. What's the other guy's name from Missouri? I had heard That there was plans from a couple of them to go check these things out down in Peru And uh, I hope that they've seen the message because these are a complete bullshit Um, that's not you know, there's nothing wrong with being an open-minded congressman I brought these mommies are not it Where's the Peruvian government today in 2026? Is it relates to this? The Ministry of Culture just released Uh Some paperwork that basically make Maria And then a little baby mummy called wawita, which even the proponents admit is butchered It just relates documentation that makes them cultural artifacts and so the mummy people Took that as a win because like this shows that Maria is authentic not manipulated If you read the fine text they say she's a she's a homeless like she's a human being homo sapien um And so Yeah, well and they don't really it's kind of vague but um At the end of the day The anatomy the problems of the anatomy are always going to be there. They're bringing out DNA specialist now to try to figure out what's going on They're gonna have to I hope they do do that I hope it gets peer-reviewed. I hope you can do it in a way that gets peer-reviewed guys at the end of the day Let that happen at the end of the day Paloma has hand bones and her feet Montserrat has three philanges while Maria has four Maria has her Articular surface of where her thumb should be clearly there You know like there's clearly amputations at the feet And those are the questions at all these well-meaning investigators that are going down there need to now Make sure they're telling their audience make sure you're telling your audience about the Roswell slides hoax And who was involved with that because I keep seeing Zalse Benitez and all of his credentials. He worked for the Mexican Navy Being rolled out. Well, let's also talk about the Roswell slides hoax Just to make sure everyone has the information out there on the judgment the past judgment of some of these experts That's what these guys do though They double down even when presented with the truth and then change the narrative. They changed the subject Oh, we were talking about it. Yeah, I don't worry about that anymore. By the way, it was true Now we're under this constantly and you see this again and again and it It creates a lot of cynics in the space and I hate to see that but You know, it's important that You know when where there's a case to be made and someone with a balance head like you who's gone to these fucking press conferences By the way, talk to all the people involved talk to other experts who can review this from a scientific medical perspective You know is willing to come out and and tell that story and report it as it is and like you said Like if you end up being wrong about someone you're someone that will say you're wrong totally But I think in a situation like this you're dealing with people on the other side that you can't say the same about No, absolutely not This whole thing is like turn for the people that are still hanging on to this Or just I really think that there's been psychological damage done to a lot of these people They've made it their identity. Yes. This has became a cult. Yes And as a result they'll never they'll never admit it You know there's a lot of double standards I'm being people are saying well how could you say that these are a hoax you haven't even had peer review yet It's like you guys have been saying that these are alien mummies for the last nine years. There hasn't been one peer review None and that's because they can't they know they can't It would get cooked day one. They're they're clearly fake. Yeah, yeah, and I wonder like If there's something behind it like I was thinking about some of the guys that pushed Jason Sands on James Fox and I know Let's just say they're coming from the government. It's like What's the what's the motive here is it to deflect from an actual truth, is that actual truth something that is alien or not of this world or is it something else that's human that they don't want people to know about or is it both. You know thinking about that was probably the most spooky part of deciding to go ahead and do this. I do want to just say I think this is a localized this one. Yes. Okay. However, that doesn't mean it wasn't good enough that somebody with some pole goes, ah, that might be a cool thing to muddy the waters with for whatever political reason. You know, and so all of a sudden we got all we have several congressmen that are interested in this. You know, people are becoming more open-minded about it. And in my opinion, it's reaches peak. Like, there's a lot of bag holders now, so to say, with with these mummies, because the peak in my opinion was probably a couple months ago. I don't think it's ever going to get back to there. I think people are starting to wake up to it. But as to what you said, as to what you said, I don't know. But yeah, like I hope there's not some intelligence agency or something like that messing around with this. Because, you know, if that's the case, you know, I'm sure they're not very happy with me right now. Well, it's an or maybe not support the plan, by the way. You know, maybe it's a big thing to blow it up. So the people, you flood the zone with noise and then people are like, you know what, it's all bullshit. I could totally be because that was my thought with it with the Jason Sands thing, because the claims were so fucking insane. Yeah, that it's like, and then Darcy, we had it perfectly charted back to the guy at depositions, like word for word bar for bar, who's like the soldier boy, he's still in my flow. Word for word, bar for bar. It's like, it is indisputable. Yeah. And so I'm like, all right, why are objectively smart people pushing this knowing his medical record, by the way, they knew his medical record of some of the stuff that he was the design. I do not want to demonize Jason. I want to be clear about that. Yeah. Jason, as a human being, I got along with and I understood and we, you know, I really understood what like he admitted to having PTSD on his record and some of these other things and some of the therapies that he was put through for that. But also when you go through, it wasn't just military. When you go through his whole life, he had a very traumatic childhood. The first 32 minutes of episode 267 are very telling. Yeah. I didn't know anything about that. We came in here. I did basically like an hour and a half podcasts with James Fox and him. We were talking about James's new documentary at the time. And then we went and took a break. I said, all right, podcast too. Let's just, I was like, Jason, let's get down to it. I said, where are you from or something like that? Where are you born? And he tells us a whole childhood story, which you know, it had us in like borderline tears here and at. And so as a human being, like I told him to his face afterwards, I said, Jason. I don't think these things happened. But I know you were in the military. I know you served out there on Nellis. That's all the paperwork for that. Thank you for doing that. And I really appreciate being so open about stuff because it's very clear to me that I don't, I don't think you're lying. I think you really believe the things you're saying, because as some of the things that have happened to you and, you know, take that for what it's worth. But that does not change the fact that there are people who knew. Yeah. He had these issues who decided to still push him. I mean, they were aggressive telling James to put him in that documentary. James was really like, I don't know. But then he trusted those guys and it bit him in the past. Yeah. And that's, I mean, to be fair, I guess 2015 has been a long time ago, but it's not that long. And you can go look up any of this stuff. That's right. In the story needs to be told and full now. This playbook that we've seen with the NAScomam is the press conferences, the experts, the DNA, the, you know, all the bullshit. It's happened over and over again for a long time. And it's media. It's, it's storytelling. It's, you know, it's, it's selling subscriptions for, for adult bedtime stories. And it got out of control because this one deals with actual human beings that have been desecrated. Right. It's, it's really dark. Yeah. It's fucked up. And it's what George Naps said on his, I was on the George Naps in Jeremy Corbell podcast. And he said, "Gulish." That's probably the best word for it. It's like "Gulish." It's weird. It's like, so they, they, I haven't seen their takes on us. They think this is all right. Well, they, they just gave us a platform and like good journalists. They let us tell our story. Great. And so I don't want to speak for them, but they were very, like, they were very, they saw what we talked about. So message received. Yeah, message received. Yeah. That's great. And they've been skeptics from the beginning on this. So, yeah, I don't think it's unfair to say that we convinced them for sure. Yeah. And listen, there's other stories you hear that it's like that is, that is some, when it gets to like closing counters of, of the third kind, it starts to get like, all right, what? But, you know, when you go through the history of just even take like right after World War II up through, you know, 2000, and sightings around the world, much of which occurred before 1990, before there's internet, before people had mass communication with each other. And you see that these 18 year olds in Australia describe the same things that these seven year olds in Africa describe. And then, you know, the from this decade and then that decade. And then this is described here. It's like, again, I don't know if it's aliens. It could be fucking DARPA. But something's up. And then, yes, there are like the 94s and Bobway one is one that really sticks with me and that could be some, you know, back misremembering therapy, but they did an amazing job with that. If that's the case, because those children all tell such consistent stories. And like, you know, I'm open to that stuff. I really am. But to your point, when you run into one that is just categorically bullshit, and it's provably categorically bullshit with evidence and science and all that, you have to call it out. Yep, balls and strikes. I am totally on board with like, I have one of my videos that is one of my most watched, one of my most watched videos all time is I interviewed Ronnie Johnson from Delphis, Kansas, who at the time in 1971 had one of the most intriguing UFO stories of all time. What was that story? So I first of all, just to preface this, I went and cold-knocked on his door. He didn't know who I was. I just showed up to Delphis and was like, Ronnie, can I talk to you? Because he doesn't really do interviews. I think he did one thing with the Discovery Channel like a couple decades back. But here's the story. Ronnie Johnson was 15 years old, living out on his farm in Delphis, which is north of Salina, Kansas near not too far from Topeka, the capital, little small cow town, wheat town, corn town. And he, at the time, he was feeding his sheep, he was in his pigs, he was doing chores, and he heard this rumbling. And he goes outside and all of a sudden he finds himself like temporarily paralyzed. And he's looking at what he described as like a white that was so light, it was like you were getting welder burns from this mushroom-shaped object. And this is Ronnie Johnson, Delphis, Kansas if you ever want to look this up. And after a period of time when both him and his dog and his sheep are all temporarily paralyzed, he says, it goes away. He doesn't know how much time passed, but all of a sudden he can move again. And he go, the sheep jump the fence, the dog's going crazy, the pigs like go wild through the fence. He goes inside and tells his parents and they don't believe him, but they come outside and there is a circle like a crop circle. There's a circle in the dirt and it's glowing. And there's pictures of this. It's glowing and his mother touches it on her hands and her thigh because she's rubbed it on her thigh. And she lost filling in her hands for the rest of her, or that part of her hand for the rest of her life, including she got paralysis in her thigh for the rest of her life. They took a Geiger counter to this thing and it was radi- as far to the, you know, level of radioactive that you could- you could see. This circle existed for decades on their farm. They put a little fence around it. There were burn marks on the tree. One of the scientists, the science teacher, who I met, really nice guy took a sample of this dirt and kept it in the museum there. He actually let me take some of that dirt and I sprinkled some water on it because this dirt, the pH is maxed out. It's full pH like the high pH as you can get and it repels water. It doesn't mix in with dirt and I confirmed that. And this circle was there for a long time. It turned into this white powder. It started growing in these mushrooms, which were also according to Ronnie radioactive and would make your hands turn numb if you touched them. And he showed me pictures of all that. It's in my documentary. I called it the greatest UFO testimony of all time because Ronnie is salt of earth. Like there's a type of person from like a place like Kansas that's incapable of lying in my humble opinion. And Ronnie feels like that guy where you're just like he just he just orating a memory as it's coming in his head. He's seeing something regardless. He's seeing something that happened. Yeah. And he doesn't like talking about it. And he says it ruined his life. I believe he was injured by this thing. And you know, he had bad, he said, that he was plagued with nightmares. He claims that it would come back and that he would have premonitions and almost predict when it would come back. And so the other thing is he wasn't the only one that saw a deputy from I believe Minneapolis, Kansas, nearby town corroborated that he saw the UFO flying around. This is also an area of the country that is full of those nuclear missile silos at the time. Kansas, North Central, Kansas and Nebraska, all throughout. You can go buy for 600,000 bucks. You can go buy an abandoned missile silo out there and turn it to your little Armageddon playground 'cause they're everywhere. They're everywhere, including that area. - Thank you guys for checking out this clip. If you haven't already subscribed, please subscribe and hit the like button on this video. It is a huge, huge help. 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