The Mystery of Talarico's DISAPPEARANCE, and Ari Emanuel on Secrets of Hollywood, the Value of "Rage," and Meghan Markle | Ep. 1415

Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at noon east. Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show and happy Friday. We have a good show for you today. I'm really looking forward to our second hour when Hollywood super agent Ari Emanuel will be here to talk about his new book and he's naming names. He and I have our own history, which will be fun to talk about. And his new book is a page turner. If you know anything about the show Entourage and Ari Gold, as the character is named there, that's Ari Emanuel. The F word is every other word, but he uses it to great effect. He makes no apologies for who he is. He is a tough as nails Hollywood agent, super agent is correct. In a town where everyone's operating under kill or be killed and he's a killer. So it's going to be really interesting to talk to him about what's in his book, how he got to the top. And there's a surprising side to Ari that you may not know about if you know anything about him, which is there's actually a piece of him that struggled mightily. We'll tell you how and why and the lessons he's learned from that struggle is something he wants to share with you. So that's next hour. Plus there are new texts in the Cornell eight case that are going to make Jane Doe's claim that she did not consent to the group sex impossible. I'm sorry. It's, it's like, by the way, if you missed the episode the other day, it's the Cornell eight, because she too has been accused of sexual assault and the allegations against her are far more credible, far more credible. Defendant number one is alleging that she was fellating him while he was completely unconscious, passed out. In and out of consciousness. And she appears to acknowledge that he was completely blitzed out of his mind on that, on the interludes she had with him. So why was she fooling around with him? The last standard is you cannot consent when you are blotto, whether you chose to ingest the drugs and alcohol or not. I'll go with it. That's Jane Doe's preferred standard too. If that's the preferred standard, then she is. The Cornell eight. She's number eight, the eighth person at Cornell accused of a sexual assault. Only the allegations against her appear to be the most credible of them all. We'll tell you about the texts. We are less than a month out and the midterms are coming at us like a freight train. Make no mistake. If the house flips, it's a big deal for our economy and it might be the Senate too. That uncertainty is one of the reasons to consider diversifying with gold from Birch Gold Group. In the three months leading up to the election, the House of Representatives and the 2024 presidential election, the spot price of gold jumped more than 12%. Why? Because it's a hedge against uncertainty. If you do not own gold, consider talking with Birch Gold. 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Ken Paxton is not a charismatic or particularly likable candidate. He's been losing to Tallarico in the polls by 2.8 points in the RealClearPolitics average of polls. So Paxton has been behind, consistently behind in this race. And Kalshi currently gives Tallarico a 63% chance of winning. That's as of an hour ago. He's been leading in all the polls. 11 a.m. Eastern time. However, there's been a twist in this case, and it is a potentially shocking one. All right, let's just start with this. Check out this clip of Tallarico from Saturday, September 26th. Watch. Corrupt politicians are profiting off a corrupt war, and Texans are literally paying the price. Ken Paxton supports this disastrous war, in Iran, that's driving up our costs. Today, I am calling on him to oppose this war and support my plan to suspend the federal gas tax and the federal diesel tax so we can provide Texans some necessary relief. Suspend the federal gas tax, suspend the federal diesel tax, and end this disastrous war so we can lower prices for Texans. Okay, those are standard Democratic talking points. The real significance of the war is that we're going to have a war. We're going to have a war. The real significance of that clip is that was the last time Tallarico was spotted on the campaign trail in Texas, 13 days ago. Now, we are in crunch time. Even President Trump is blanketing the country, getting out there, stumping for candidates. He is in one of the tightest and most important Senate races in the country. The balance of power in the U.S. Senate very much hinges upon a few states, including, absolutely including, Texas. How has he not been seen for 13 days? Something's wrong, very clearly. His campaign tells CNN that on September 28th, two days after that soundbite, Tallarico did attend a fundraiser in New York City for himself and for Ohio Senate candidate Sherrod Brown, headlined by none other than Robert De Niro. Another fundraiser was held for Tallarico in New York City the next day, but it does not appear he attended that event. So that would make the last time anyone saw him potentially on the 28th. Now, there was a brief sighting on the 30th. Here's what happened. He was supposed to go to a U.S. Hispanic Business Council event in Texas in person, but he did not show up in Texas in person. Keep in mind, he'd been in New York doing all these fundraisers. Why are you in New York and making a deal out of it? Why isn't he in New York? Or why isn't he in Texas? He's basically too busy in New York getting bought and paid for, is what Paxton has been saying. So this was the date he was supposed to show up in Texas in person, and instead he appeared virtually and had this to say. Thank you, Javier, for making this work. Just wanted to first apologize to you and the U.S. Hispanic Business Council and your team and everyone there at UTRGV. You can ask my team. My team is there on the ground. They will tell you that I was looking forward to being down in the valley. I've been talking about it all week. I was ready to eat my favorite quesadilla tacos, but I was starting to feel kind of under the weather a few days ago, and last night it got so bad that I went to the urgent care here in Dallas, and I was diagnosed with the flu. And so I'm running a fever, and I'm my most contagious right now, and I guess I've been shaking too many hands on the campaign trail. And so I want to keep everybody safe, and if I was passing on this illness to somebody and got someone's grandmother or someone's baby sick, I couldn't live with myself. word of that, he could live with himself just fine. These people who are this close to seizing power will be stopped by nothing. And speaking of nothing, since that virtual appearance at the Texas event, we have had not one word from James Tallarico. Not a virtual event, not a social media video, nothing. Not even a proof of life picture. Tallarico had a 59% chance to win the race, according to Kalshi, one of our sponsors back then. So his odds have actually gone up since he was last seen in public. That ought to tell you something about his personality. And by the way, you can give our sponsor Kalshi a try by using code Megan Kelly, or just click the link in our description. All new users get 25 bucks free when they trade 25 bucks. I love Kalshi. It's actually super fun. Now, Tallarico has continued to post on X, but of course the staffer could do that, including Challenger. Paxton to a one-on-one debate, something he clearly feels comfortable doing because thus far, Paxton has refused his requests for debates. Who is tweeting for Tallarico? He's been off the campaign trail in the crunch period of the election for 13 days because of the flu. I mean, not for nothing, but if you look it up online, what they say is the flu typically lasts five to seven days. Full recovery can take one to two weeks, but that's from Harvard Health. Five to seven days. seven. He's been gone for 13, 13. How is it that if you've got a candidate in this tight a race and for days now, there has been speculation and concern from his supporters about where the hell he is. You don't get him back out here. You're not contagious week two. That's not the case. You may just feel under the weather. Why wouldn't there be a picture of him? He actually fell ill another time and they put pictures out of him. Where's the picture? If he's in bed really suffering, why wouldn't we document that with some sort of fun pick with like a bunch of balloons and campaign staffers showing his spirits are fine, but obviously had a physical setback. No. Now, after everything exploded yesterday on this, now his campaign says, oh, expect him back on the trail this weekend. But his next officially scheduled event is not actually until Wednesday of next week. That's when CNN and Jubilee media are set to host a town hall with him. His nearly two week absence has sparked many theories and speculation about what the hell is going on here. Here's what President Trump said earlier this week. He's a vegan. He wants to eat a piece of lettuce, a little piece of lettuce, please. But he's been seen, you know, you haven't seen him in a couple of weeks. I hear the guys disappeared. Nobody. You know where he is. He's sick because he's been forced to eat meat for political reasons and he's throwing up all over the place. He's sick. OK, that's the president's humorous, humorous take. This next person was not being funny. She was reporting what she's hearing on the ground. This is unconfirmed, but for awareness, Republican strategist. Caroline Wren raised eyebrows last night when she told Steve Bannon about what she's hearing yesterday. I'm just going to say it. I'm hearing that he checked himself into a mental institution that he had a full blown, like middle breakdown sometime around, I guess, September 29th or September 30th. They subsequently have canceled all events, all events in the state of Texas. He has been nowhere there now. The campaign's now saying, oh, he might be feeling better in a couple of days. You might see him this weekend. So I, you know, I heard this from some people. I heard this from some people. I heard this from someone in Texas. I have no idea what the truth is. I'm not an investigative reporter, but investigative reporters, if you're listening, you should really be looking into this because there's, uh, I've, I've had the flu many times. We've all had the flu. You are not out for 12 days. Like, give me, give me a break. That's absolutely true. These are lies. This is not flu. I don't believe that for one minute, 12 days at this point in the campaign, something else is going on and shame on the press corps for not being, all over this. Because if there's any chance James Tallarico actually is in a mental institution, having suffered some sort of a break, it will be the biggest political firestorm to break in years. Okay. So that would be a story that any honest reporter would be all over if this is their beat. Now there may be absolutely no truth to that, but either way, the heat must be turned up to an 11 on this campaign for as Paxton is now demanding, proof of life. Truly, we need proof of life. Where is he? Let's see a photo with today's newspaper. Let's see video. Let's hear him talk. Let's find out what facility he's in. Where, where's he recovering from flu? Who can vouch for it? Is there a doctor involved? Let's hear from him. Because if this guy had a mental breakdown weeks before the vote, the people of Texas deserve to know. The people of the United States deserve to know. Now, back in 2019, he's a diabetic, and that caught up to him as he was campaigning to become a state representative. And his campaign was quick to pump out pictures of him in bed, smiling. They knew what to do. He knew what to do to document a genuine illness. Where's that? Why are we getting nothing? I don't know if it's mental institution, but is he someplace else? Is he out begging for money in states other than Texas, confirming the Paxton, you know, smears on him? Are they smears if they're true? About how he won't come to Texas and he's basically getting bought and paid for state to state? Who knows? We deserve an explanation. This morning, we emailed the campaign to ask if Tallarico had undergone any mental health treatment while he's been away. He's been away from campaigning. So far, no response. They're busy looking for their candidate. That's my own take on it. This is a story, folks. It's not going away. He may come out this weekend. Ain't gonna do it. And even if he does come out this weekend, where was he? Where was he? The press corps better get off of its lazy, biased ass and start knocking on the doors. Of every mental health facility in New York and Texas, first of all, and on every staffer's door, getting them on the record. Let them lie to your face. Get it on the record. Get a name from each one of them. Call the hospitals. See if you can find any confirmation of any admission. And Democrat donor circles are not mysteries to reporters covering candidates like Tallarico. Start kicking the tires. Is that what he's doing? Let's find out one way or the other. Right. Now, this is a scandal. Moving on. Last night was debate night in several states, and it was fascinating. Unlike that lame Maine debate, there were some real mix-ups going on between the candidates last night. My favorite was the New York State Attorney General debate, which I'll get to in a minute. It's less consequential, however, because Tish James is leading this other rising star, Coma Turetti, by 13 points. And New York State is not going to elect a Republican. A.G., who clerked for Brett Kavanaugh. It's not going to. I'm sorry. I wish I were wrong. Desperately wish. But this gal's a rising star. She's got a future in Republican politics. And Tish James looked flat-footed and kind of dumb and dishonest. But what else is new? In any event, it was entertaining, but it's not consequential, I fear. But Michigan was interesting. I have thoughts on this whole thing. So we go into this Michigan debate. We go into this debate between El-Sayed and Mike Rogers, the Republican, with El-Sayed up. He's up and favored to win in most polls. And Mike Rogers hasn't been doing that well in Michigan. Now, that means that Mike Rogers needed to score knockout blows in this debate, right? He had to be the clear winner. He had to basically take out El-Sayed. And there were a couple of. In which he did land blows. And he got El-Sayed, or the moderator did, to make some startling admissions. And here's my question today. While they would have been absolutely devastating to El-Sayed, in my view, five years ago, ten years ago, certainly. Are they absolutely devastating to him today? Because the issue they were really firing back and forth on. In some of these exchanges was Israel. And everyone knows how controversial that issue has become. Including in the state of Michigan. I mean, that's one of the reasons El-Sayed is doing so well. Is because he is very firmly against the United States getting involved in any more of Israel's conflicts. And Mike Rogers is more your typical Republican neocon. As you guys know, there's a large portion of the Republican base now that is not neocony. And is tired of foreign wars. And really wants the president to be laser-focused on domestic issues. Not Israel. Not Iran. Not the Middle East. And certainly not another war. But Mike Rogers is more of the neocon traditional Republican cut. So these two square off. I mean, it's a great issue to pit them against each other on. If I were the debate moderator, I would have done it too. Because the differences are vast. And while in some of these. Exchanges you can see. I see why my Republican friends online are like, he's toast. El-Sayed is toast. I have to say, I don't know whether that's true. I am really not sure whether the electorate in Michigan is going to say, I will abandon him for that answer. Here's the one in particular. Whether Iran or Israel is more of a threat. Sat-9. I'm going to ask you again tonight. Who do you think is a bigger threat to the United States? Israel or Iran? You have 60 seconds. And again, Rick, I'm just going to say that that's a ridiculous hypothetical. Because here's what's happening right now. Our ostensible ally in Israel has lobbied us to go to war with Iran. We have watched as Iran has responded by bombing all kinds of countries in the Middle East. And then choking off the world's energy supply. So this is a situation in which I don't think we should be apart. I'll ask one last time. Israel or Iran? That's, again, a ridiculous question. I think both of them have proven dangerous in their own way. were all over that exchange last night saying, you've got to be kidding me. You don't know whether Iran or Israel is a greater threat. And, you know, there's a long history of Iran being antagonistic, to put it mildly, toward the United States, not Israel, which is an ally. But he's coming at it from a totally different angle, saying basically Israel's the one that got us into this war, which has been absolutely terrible for America. Iran didn't get us into the war. He doesn't believe the nuclear weapons claim. Even President Trump admitted after he claimed otherwise that he took care of that nuclear program in June of 2025. So if this is your issue, if Israel's the thing that's going to drive you to go vote for a candidate and not for another in Michigan or elsewhere, you have absolutely no problem with that answer, right? If that's the thing that's at the top of your electoral issue heap, I don't know. I don't think that's going to hurt him at all. At all. He's been very clear that he's not really on the pro-Israel side. And even before last night's debate, they were pulling aside Jewish voters in Michigan. And a lot of them were saying, I'm a Democrat. I want to vote for him, but I can't because of his stance on Israel. So I think it's going to be fascinating to watch whether answers like that change the trajectory of this race one way or the other, frankly. Now, they have to be very clear. And I think that's going to be fascinating to watch. But I think that's going to be fascinating to watch. And I think that's going to be exciting to watch. And I think that's going to fascinating to watch. And I think that's going to He was still on the U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit, very prestigious court, very prestigious clerkship. She went down to the Eastern District of New York and became a prosecuting attorney, federal attorney there, and has been making a name for herself in Republican circles, and you can see why. Now, she's had two sets of twins, so not only is she a very accomplished lawyer, but she's got a lot going on at home, a lot of responsibilities, and this was a very charming answer, clever, and one gets the sense, honest, unlike the nightmare across from her, Tish James, who doesn't understand the meaning of that word. Here, take a listen to SOP 15. Ms. James, what's the last book you read? I'm currently reading Congressmember Jamie Raskin's book, Unthinkable. What's the next book you're reading? Little Blue Truck, actually the Spanish version, El Camioncito Azul. It's my two-year-old's favorite book. Every parent can relate to that. When your kids are young, you just have not a whole lot of time for, you know, extra leisure reading, especially if you also work outside the home, right? And this woman works hard outside the home and has very high-stakes things going on in her life. Little Blue Truck, love this series. Who didn't? Love the answer, too. And I think that will resonate with you. I think that will resonate with some moms, but New York hates Republicans, so not enough, probably. Then there was this question. This is an interesting one. Let's just play SOP 16. Ms. James, name a past New York attorney general that you admire. TikTok. She only admires herself. No, no, no, no. We admire others. We admire others. I admire all of the past attorney generals because it's a difficult job and you've got to stand up. Dennis Facco, at a time when New York State needed it, we had another former federal prosecutor become attorney general and bring law and order to the state. This woman is a badass. I love her. And Tish James, she had a Sarah Palin moment there. That's what happened. She had a—remember Katie Couric? Like, what newspapers do you read? All of them. And we all knew she was just, like, giving a filler answer. And that's exactly what Tish James did right there. She didn't have any—she has no idea. She was like a blank on who had held the job other than her because her opponent had it exactly right. She's obsessed with herself. She's a narcissist. She only thinks about Tish James morning, noon, and night. And that seemingly easy question caught her flat-footed, and her vanity was apparent. And then her opponent there, comment already, shoved it down her throat. That was also quite beautiful. Then they got to the issue of Cornell and Tish James' extrajudicial statements calling Jane Doe a survivor and she stands with her and all— what do you mean you stand with her? Now you're going to be the prosecuting attorney who decides whether criminal charges should be brought or to push for them? And you've already said you stand with her. And against them, what the F? She was asked about it. Good for them for asking her about it. And here is how she defended it. Remember last week she said—or earlier this week, I think it was Monday, she said—what day was it? Whatever, it doesn't matter. It was last Friday. She said, I don't—I'm not going to comment on Facebook or an ex-post. It was her own. But here's how she handled it last night. It's not 17. You called the alleged victim a survivor. And you also said, quote, I stand with the victim. Considering these comments, can the accused students have confidence that you haven't prejudged the case? And as a law enforcement official, how can you make those comments based only on allegations before conducting an investigation and seeing the evidence? Those comments demonstrate empathy. And what we need now more than ever in our body politics is more empathy. The governor of the great state of New York, Governor Kathy Hochul, basically assigned me to— to analyze this case and to judge it and to do it without bias. And she's requesting an unbiased investigation and a thorough investigation. And we will do that based on the facts and based on the evidence. Empathy. Who—with whom does the empathy fall? That—that—there should have been a follow-up. Why does Jane Doe get your empathy and there is none to spare for the men who have been accused possibly unfairly and untruthfully? This is a complete dereliction of duty by a prosecutor. Even Ellie Honig, the CNN legal analyst, straight shooter, found the same in a compelling piece he wrote that's available, I think, at MSNBC. So, empathy for whom? That's not an appropriate thing to bring to your commentary around a case like this, especially when we all know she had been sniffing around it and almost certainly knew when she made these comments, three days before she was appointed, that there was a chance she'd be getting the case. So, no. It—you don't express empathy. Jane Doe may or may not be a victim. Jane Doe may or may not be a sexual assaulter. Where's your empathy for defendant number one, who may have been sexually molested while he was unconscious, Tish James? She's always over her skis. She's always behaving inappropriately. Half the shit she said about Trump when New York State went after his business for its alleged fraudulent dealings, which went so poorly for her, were completely inappropriate and unethical. She was eyeballing his business, his building downtown. She couldn't stop. She was, like, doing a running clock ticker of the amount of interest she was running up on her— that was running up on her verdict while he appealed it. And the verdict was so backward that a New York appellate court, no friend of Donald Trump's, reversed it and reduced the judgment to zero. It wasn't a win. She stopped posting right around there. This woman is a hack. It's a disgrace she's our attorney general. And God forbid that she become the governor, which is her next I've-got-my-eyes-on-it post. Comrade Reddy had thoughts on the Cornell statements, and this is how she espoused them. Saw 18. Sexual assault cases are some of the most serious cases that you can handle as a prosecutor, and they require serious prosecutors. This requires professionalism, requires someone who approaches the case with fairness, impartiality, and integrity. Tish James has none of those things. She's never prosecuted a criminal case in her whole career. She's certainly never prosecuted a sexual assault case, and she's already screwed this one up by prejudging it. Amen. I want to give a shout-out to the moderator, Spectrum. News anchor Susan Arbiter, who did a good job in raising that question with Tish James. Again, could have used a follow-up, but every second costs you your next question, so it's a tough call in these debates on how hard to follow up. In any event, appreciated the question being asked because it's been dominating the news, and many other anchors would have ignored it because Cornell 7 is falling along political lines and so on. Okay. I do want to touch on news in that case, the Cornell case. Boy, has there been news overnight. Something very disturbing has emerged, which is that Jane Doe made additional comments that completely give up the game here. And what is disturbing, in addition to just, you know, reading them and understanding what she's putting these young men through, is that it appears to me the New York Times had these messages in its possession and chose not to publish them. Now, it is possible that the New York Times had these messages in its possession, but it is possible that the New York Times had these messages in its possession, and chose not to publish them. Now, it is possible that the New York Times had these messages in its possession, Now, it is possible that whoever gave them or showed them the texts that they've been printing only showed them part of the message that they printed. But I have a hard time believing that. I can believe they didn't get additional text messages that have now hit via TMZ, but I have a really hard time believing just half of an actual single text was sent to the New York Times and they ran with it. I feel pretty certain that. The New York Times editorial board would have said, or editor and standards would have said, we need to see the whole text. We don't know what we're dealing with here. We need to see the whole thing. And the whole text is very damning for Jane Doe. The beginning part of the text was damning for Jane Doe, but the whole text is even worse. It hit the news yesterday. If you were not online, I will tell you what it conveys. It is the more full version of the text, from Jane Doe to defendant number two, Jonathan Newell, dated October 21st, 2024. The alleged assault happened October 19th into 20th. We knew from this text earlier that Jane Doe had said, at the end of the day, none of the sexual stuff was illegal. And honestly, I really liked being with you and Matt. Okay, we knew that she had said that. But there's a lot more in this text. And I'll just start with the most compelling, and damning. I don't think we should feel any shame for the part. I think she means the sex part, but it doesn't matter. I don't think we should feel any shame, comma, our body, our choice, A as F, which in slang stands for as fuck. I don't think we should feel any shame, our body, our choice. Her case is over. It's over. In addition to all the other texts that are out there, rumor going around that I'm a slut. Unfortunately, it's true. Nothing illegal happened, which is in this particular text, as I pointed out. Like, I love you. We pointed this out that she said this to Matt, defendant number one. Well, guess what? She says it to this defendant too, this defendant, John Newell. That's in another text. Well, it's in the bottom half of this same text. So she says, I'm going to read you the whole thing now, okay? Stand by. He writes to her and says, this is Jonathan. I wanted to apologize for how things went down the other night. My memory's kind of fuzzy about a lot of it, but me and Matt both feel like shits for being too fucked up to shut it down and kick people out before it got way out of hand. You're an amazing person. I genuinely hope you're not catching as much heat from this as we are. We've been shutting down any stories we've heard, but again, I'm so, so sorry. She responds on Monday, December 21st. Oh, Jonathan, I really appreciate this text. My memory's super clouded too. We're all way too fucking drunk and high. So, okay. So here she is acknowledging that he too, the, and the boys too, men were way too drunk and high. Not just her, them too. I'm getting a little heat. Pi Phi girls. And then she appears to name them. Their names are blacked out. Can't get my name out of their mouth, but that's to be expected. But at the end of the day, none of the sexual stuff was illegal. So anything anyone has to say about the gang bang is out of their jurisdiction. I don't think we should feel any shame for the part, period. Our body, our choice, A-S-F. She calls it a gang bang. She's trying to make him feel better about it. She's acknowledging that the guys were out of their mind hammered as she claims here was she. She says we shouldn't feel any shame around this. Our body, our choice. The message goes on. Again, none of this appeared in the New York Times after the, nothing was illegal. Um, that, that piece about, I really liked being with you and Matt. And at the end of the day, none of the sexual stuff was illegal. Okay. It goes on. Also. Yes. While it may have been nice for like only four people to have been around y'all were both super out of it and they should have taken it on themselves to leave. At the end of the day, you, Matt and I were in your bed and they didn't need to get up in that. But if you have any regrets or anything you want to talk about, I'm always here to talk about it. Cause that was a lot. I really do love you and Matt. And I promise I won't get quiet and weird with you like I did last time. I don't know what that is. What's that a reference to last time, last time they were together. I have no idea if there's a history between this. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know if it was this gal and John Newell or not. We knew there was one between her and the defendant number one, Matt Ingalls, but here she is acknowledging again, you were both super out of it. If you have any regrets or anything you want to talk about, I'm here. She's, she's telegraphed. I can be your comfort blanket on like, if you're regretting it, I got you come, come call me. And then finishes it up again to her alleged gang rapist, who she refers to a gang banger in here, a gang bang, not a, not a rape. And tells him, I love you. I really do love you. And Matt, I really do love you. And there's a separate message in which she tells Matt, she loves him. I mean, this is really crazy. Then there are highlights reported on, um, via CBS news from her voluntary statement to police. And these two, I mean, are just very telling the first, the first and foremost is, um, she reiterates that she was excited. About her initial threesome with Matt and John. That's her word. It's in quotes. I remember being excited. And then she goes on to say that thing that we talked about wanting to have a threesome meant that they were gay, which would have meant that they were part of my community as I am bisexual. Okay. Whatever. Um, she does in this statement to the police, tell them that she had been drinking Tito's vodka had consumed approximately six shots before someone took the bottle from her. She claims to have consumed several sips from another sorority sisters mix mixed drinks. And that when she went to a bar, she claimed she got a sex on the beach, mixed drink. The bar has denied that, but that's her claim. So we're seeing where she got drunk. None of that is suggesting that somebody else got her drunk. She made the choices. That's what's damning to her sexual assault claims. The criminal ones, potentially not the civil though. It should be civil too. In any event, um, then she, she says she's talking about the moment she was hit by defendant number two. I began to feel blank hit me many times on my butt. I remember that they were hurting me. And one in particular sent a sharp pain through me many times on my butt. I remember that the hits were hurting me, but, but, but, okay. Same thing. And I said, damn one sent a sharp pain through me, which caused me to turn around and say, damn, now this is unpleasant. And, and, you know, I understand the discomfort. However, the ability to remember these things in intimate detail is just fatal to her claim. She is not physically incapacitated. That's the legal standard. If she can prove she was physically helpless, they can bring charges. Her recitation from the beginning to now proves anything, but proves she remembers everything in great detail on something. She may be fuzzy, but overall, she can remember the play by play and told it to police. Like in this moment, she went on. I remember someone bring someone brings up the scars I have on my legs from, self-inflicted cutting that I had done in August of this year, hearing that my scars were brought up, but that none of them cared to ask about them made me feel super isolated and that I didn't matter as a person to these men. Well, that's interesting because you told them days after that you loved them and that you were eager to see them again at the Kai-Fai Halloween party, but now they've disinvited her. And here she is days later in with the police saying, Oh, I, I felt like I wasn't a person to them. Weird. She admits in this document that she, she flexed. Remember we talked about her getting out and making the muscle poses. She said it was because she was angry with one of these men. And so I stood up and began flexing toward him while telling him that I would mess him up. And then here is very interesting about Lopes. Lopes, of course, we had Lopes lawyer on the show 10 days ago or so. And Lopes is lawyer. This was the guy, she had the first threesome with the two guys and Lopes joined defendant number two on the second threesome. This is what she says. First, she says that all of the men came in and they were talking about how pretty I was, which was very confusing because although it was very nice to hear, I was still very uncomfortable with the situation. Again, this is to the cops. Shortly after that, I believe it was Blank who asked if they could all do drugs off of my perfect body. Seeing as I was already laying down and feeling extremely tired, I told him, sure. So just in case there's any question about consent on the snorting of the ketamine off of her body, her recitation, she said, I told them, sure. In quotes, sure. Again, the only way that consent is vitiated is if she had crossed over to physical helplessness, which she does not allege. She goes on about Lopes. Shortly after the men were doing drugs off my body, Blank and Blank entered the room and said something like, okay, we're shutting down whatever the F this is. I found that strange because Blank, I think she means Lopes here, was acting as if he hadn't just been in the room with me earlier in the night. She said something like, wait, didn't this guy fuck me? This is not, didn't he just rape me? Didn't he just attack me? She's amused that he's now trying to, that there's been testimonial elsewhere that Lopes was one of the two who went in and tried to shut it down. Then she goes on. Well, one final point. A reporter for CBS New York, Masha Saidi, she reports that Blank and Blank were in a relationship. She posted a video, which then she took down of Lopes' Title IX interview, but we got a verbatim of it before she took it down. He said he had a pretty solid recollection of the night and said that Jane Doe told him, quote, you have no idea how much I wanted to do this with you, end quote. He says that surprised him because he, quote, hadn't really thought about that. He told investigators that Jane Doe initiated sexual relations at that point. He saw no sign she was under the influence. He described her as actively participating. He said when they stopped, they, quote, collectively decided to stop. So that's that. She called it a gangbang. She told two of her alleged rapists that she loved them. And she said, we should have no shame. We should not feel any shame. This case is over or should be. Up next, Ari Emanuel. 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Now Ari Emanuel is telling his story in his own words, from his humble beginnings in the mailroom at CAA to building an entertainment empire, now as the executive chair and CEO of TKO, and all the deals and power plays along the way. And he's naming names. He lays it all out in his new book, it's a memoir called Roll the Calls Out This Month. Ari, great to see you. Congrats on the book. Thank you so much. How are you doing? Long time, no talk. I know. I'm doing great. All is well. And I'm thrilled you wrote this book because I learned so much about you that I did not know. Let me tell you something funny, just to kick it off. When you were rolling the calls my way years ago and seeking to have a relationship professionally, I called some of your clients. To see what's it like to have Ari represent you. And one, who I won't name him just because I don't have his permission, but he loved you, absolutely loved you. And I said, what would happen if you needed to break up with Ari? And this is like a grizzled newsman. And he said, oh, I don't like to even think about that. But he didn't break up with me, right? No, he didn't. He's still with you. And they all loved you. So you are a rassable and rageful to outsiders, but to your clients, you would take a bullet for them. And you've proven that. Hopefully friends, hopefully they get it in the book. Clients, family members. And I hope in the book, I realized over time, you have to be a ride or die guy for yourself. And I hope that comes across in the book and you have to take agency for yourself. And I, I do believe my clients feel that way. I feel that way towards them. So that's, that's the way I like, that's the way I like to roll. Both in the references I received about you and in just reading the book, which was a pleasure. It was a fun ride. I didn't get to sign you. I know. Well, here's what happened. I mean, so you gave me, you rolled the calls my way and I got a million phone calls from Ari Emanuel. You just cut like nonstop. And you write about that, how that you do that in the book. And most people just give up in the end to say, okay, like Larry David. All right. If you stop calling me, I'll, I'll sign with you. But in my case, I had been getting sort of solicited by a CAA agent for many years at that point. And he was trying to close the deal. So I felt some loyalty to him. So I wound up going with him and I don't mind telling you that was a disaster in the end. I was completely abandoned by CAA when the shit hit the fan for me at NBC. And when I was in the middle of the biggest challenge of my career and being called a racist in every newspaper in America for saying something that was true. Which is blackface was treated differently in the seventies than it is today. They sent me flowers, Ari, the flowers, they sent me flowers. I did not need flowers. I needed a killer to go in there and rattle cages at NBC and call them out on their bullshit. In any event, I did wind up with a great lawyer as a result of it all who did, who did become that guy. I mean, at the end of the day, you want somebody that can engage in a conversation with you. You want somebody that can engage in a conversation with you. You guys make a decision, whatever it is, you get tough situations. And I had one with Michael Moore. I've had many with a lot of clients. And all you want to know is that when you put your head on that pillow at night, and when you wake up that partner, business partner, um, has your back in very tough times, um, has a creative point of view on how to handle it. And we'll go fight the fight. They might disagree with you. It's okay. I agree on projects all the time, but if we've made a commitment, unless you've done something so horrific or he's done something, the representatives that, you know, you guys are in business together and you've made a, you know, kind of an agreement. And so, um, I think that's what I, I hopefully as a good parent, meaning somebody that started a company, I've taught the people here and that's what people want in life. It's okay to have the discussion, the, and my table at home with my parents and my brothers. It was a very, very, very, very, very, very difficult time. And I needed conversation constantly about politics every night, but we love each other and we fight for each other and we got our, each other's backs. And that's what you want in life. So I think hopefully the audience knows this, but, um, you're the youngest brother. Uh, your, your two big brothers are Rahm Emanuel, who's been on this show and Zeke Emanuel, who's been on my show at Fox many times during one of the architects of Obamacare and a very accomplished doctor. And of course, everybody knows Rahm Emanuel was Obama's chief of staff and the mayor of Chicago and ambassador to Japan. And then came you and you're very open in the book about how you thought, okay, well, I guess Zeke's the smart one. Rahm's the cunning one. And I'm just the last one. And you didn't have like all this swagger and confidence growing up because you had very bad dyslexia and ADHD, but you've come to a place, talk about it where you've, you've realized now that that was actually critical to your success. One of the things, um, you know, my mom would put our grades on, on the, uh, on the refrigerator when we walked in and, you know, Zeke was Zeke. I mean, he's like one of the smartest guys graduated top of class and, uh, Rahm was accomplished also. And I had dyslexia that, and what I learned over time is dyslexia doesn't mean that you're stupid. You just, you, you, you organize words and letters and sounds differently in the, in the left part of your brain from this, woman, Sally Shaywitz at Yale, who was an expert in, um, in dyslexia. But, you know, being a family that reading education was so important and having ADHD was very hard for me. Um, and my mom never gave up. She had my back and she made sure that I was going to read, even though there was a lot of people thinking that that wasn't going to happen. And she, uh, she did then what this book was for my kids. She did it for me and found out how to get me to read. And it was, this, this book is about realizing for me, you know, that rage was about getting to my identity because they had identity. And I felt whether that be true or not, I was telling myself a story that, you know, to prove that I wasn't dumb, even though I was scared a lot that people were and to find out my identity. And I hope this helps parents that have kids that are dyslexic. If you watch your kids struggle, but you let them struggle, they get emotional endurance, which can serve them throughout their life, which is, I think not to generalize something we need for our, our, our, our generations coming up. And for kids, dyslexia now for me has been a blessing, even though I would have cut off my arm before to learn how to read because it makes you a free thinker. And that has helped me in business and, and also trusting people to be in business with. And that has been incredible for me. Now, where the first word of the book is rage. Some of your clients, or at least one of your clients calls you his ragent. And the stories are amazing about the rage coming through to people who could really hurt you in Hollywood. You just, it's like you did not care as you were coming up the ranks. It's one thing to be rageful. Now you're, you're super powerful. Nobody can really hurt you. But even when you had no power, you were showing it. So let's just start with where did that come from? Let me just say the following. I think Cormac McCarthy said at one point, rage is only for what you believe can be fixed. The rest is grief. And when we started the business of Endeavor, there was four big agencies. YOU'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO couldn't compete on economics so we all charged the same and a lot of people thought they could push us around i only had plan a and i and i also was brought up uh for my mother it's okay to demonstrate it's okay to fight back against people above you if you thought your opinions or your you had a point of view that you could defend that and that was okay again as i said before in my family we we argued all the time so what i considered a normal situation people thought was rageful and i i understand i do understand but i wasn't going to let anybody when we were coming up whether it be another agency producers studio heads try and take advantage of us and yeah i mean i was ready to go to battle with you anybody and everybody i was a wrestler when i was in high school so it seems like i was wrestling i was on the mat with everybody constantly um and for me that's what it took um and so you write in the book wrestling wrestling without rage is cuddling yeah exactly so you you managed to get a job so you're a scrappy kid from the chicago area we'll met and you decide let's see maybe i'll maybe i'll go be a hollywood agent so you move out to hollywood you get a job in the mailroom first you work for this other guy who really made an impression on you and how to be a great listening on all the phone calls and then you wind up going to the mailroom of caa where they tell you you're too old because you're 26 yeah everybody here's 21 you say i'm i'm getting this job so you do the the aria manual on them like oh no i will be working in your mailroom and you do you do work in their mailroom then you work your way up to like a junior agent but you're making a name and you're getting clients and you're kind of a rising star and a group of guys decides to leave caa to go do something else and you're like oh my god i'm gonna go to hollywood and i'm gonna do something else like just they're done with the caa situation which is run by the god of agents at the time different agencies okay so but caa is run by the god of all agents at the time michael ovitz and you you say i gotta go in there and i'm gonna resign to his face long story short he you revealed the truth to a guy you thought was an ally who wasn't who ratted you out to ovitz so he knew you were coming when you walked in and could you please tell the story of what happened in that room well the the guy was an assistant and we had been playing basketball very friends he had gone to northwestern and i tell him like hey you're my friend i'm telling you what i'm doing no harm no foul i'm not going to tell anybody that i told you the night before he the day before he rats me out and then he lets me know he rats me out i go into michael which is office and i say and he says you can't see me and i said well i'll be back and you'll deal with me then i come back about 10 minutes later and mike is in the room with this guy named lee gabler and uh mr office manager as he was referred to in the book and mike who is on mount rushmore of talent agents with lou wasserman you know goes into his appropriate you know conversation that he's going to ruin me and my career is going to be over and you know you're making a big mistake and i'm going to take you down and i had no move like what are you supposed to say to the most powerful guy in hollywood and an incredible agent and businessman i didn't know what to do so i just stand up pissed off there's a the back of the chair has a hole and i just pick it up and i go are you threatening me as if like okay if you're threatening me this thing's coming off the hand and i think it was like a shock that yes you know something like i'm a little crazy and uh maybe a little bit more than a little and um yeah it was like before i mean i was working at icm later in my career and uh this also famous incredible agent sam cone wouldn't return my call and i worked at the same company and i was dealing with something he wouldn't return my call for like three weeks and i finally told my office i got in at six call sam cone nine o'clock on the east coast he that's where he worked and i i told him don't get off the phone until this guy gets on the line just don't get off the phone he finally picks up and i now i'm i'm i'm a pimple on the ass of an ant at this point i'm nobody in the business i had good clients but like this is sam cone one of the greats and i just he runs the company i'm like his employee i lay into him that he's a horrible boss he's a piece of shit i don't even know why i mean i'm just an idiot but you know it is what it is it kind of with all the craziness of this book and all the heartbreak and the physically deterioration at times and at the end it turned out to be a nice book oh well i mean you're such a complex character because you've got the rage the ragent piece of it down and there's plenty of stories in the book again it's called roll the calls uh about that but then there's also this softer side the guy who gets up and you told me this when we were talking years ago the guy who gets up and meditates for 20 minutes a day you do the sauna you you you've been you talk about your dr calm the the psychiatrist that you've been seeing from for many years to try to like manage your feelings so you're not all sharp elbows you are a that this the rage may not be absolutely wonderful for your mental health at all times and it's possible you should explore it you don't want to lose it but you're you're attuned to sort of the mental health piece in a way that people might find surprising so has dr calm helped you well i think dr calm got me on this whole kick about the he called it the ego project it worked and i was working on it with him um other which i talk about in the book other uh i then went to india and met with people there to try and kind of deal with it um and realize that if we wanted to really get to a better place at the company and me as a leader that rage and aggression were not going to enable us to get even farther cut to um i also then did some hallucinogenics to also help which i think helped a lot i mean i think probably if you talk to the people at the agency of the new company i started tko they would say there's like a ridiculous still amount of rage that being said i do know when i'm on the field and working and my beautiful new wife uh sarah stouding or stod and i do know when i'm off the field and she tries to not that that's a lot she would like it to be more um that that balance has helped me when i'm on the field to really go for it and it's it's made it better stod is a great brand by the way she's a fashion you're right she's doing air quotes sarah is a fashion designer whose brand stod is amazing by the way i absolutely love this brand i wear it all the time um did not did not realize until uh now that that she was your wife but amazing um so you one of the surprising things to me in the book was your best friend is a guy who may be familiar to our audience or at least he's been the best friend for a large part of your adult years peter berg yeah you talk about this guy pete yeah and it turns out to be peter berg who our audience may know as uh the man behind friday night lights the man behind lone survivor um an incredibly talented director he's got a new movie out coming out in about a month and a half it's called mosquito what is it so the guy that wrote military related yeah the guy that wrote friday night lights buzz bisinger wrote mosquito ball yep i know him brian grazier and actually my son ezra produced it pete wrote and directed it and it's about what happened in world war ii um at okinawa and japan and these kids that were you know kind of college superstar football players go there and what happens to them and i think it's one of the great war movie anti-war movies and pete berg i think this is his greatest movie he has ever made um very timely and it's very timely if that's what it actually is upsetting emotional he this is his best movie mosquito ball the um we know marcus latrell and uh love marcus latrell and of course lone survivor is his story among others and uh we asked him about peter berg and he was a big fan and his brother too so i it's funny like the the connections you make and who who makes a difference in your life but i love that you guys have this lifelong we were in college together yeah he was on your couch or you were on his and he he married us um before we went to our um we went to santa rope and larry david then did the ceremony and he was a big fan of peter berg and he was a big fan of peter berg and he was a big fan of but he first married us earlier and um i'm a ride or die guy with pete berg i love that i see he seems like such a good guy so it's thrilling to see the acquaintance. 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I will personally, I will donate whatever it takes to get her across the finish line. And we all know how that worked out. And I know you've had your own dealings with him. Could you give us your opinion? Here's my opinion. I hope, probably not true, but I hope in most of my career with my incidents, I don't punch down. When we started the company, there's a story about what happened with the Lakers and what he tried to do. He stole your ticket. Yeah, he tried to. He tried to. There's a story about how people in Hollywood make money with the Lakers and what they do, and how they make money with the Lakers. Yeah, there's a story about how people in Hollywood make money with the Lakers and what they do. Back then was TV packages. And my partner, David Greenblatt, at the time, put a package together when we were just Endeavor, there was five or six of us, and sold it to DreamWorks. And Jeffrey, they wouldn't pay our package, which is economically, when you're starting out, like a lifeblood for a lot of what we do in Hollywood. Writers Guild got rid of them, but that's a different story. And throughout, I mean, I just, it's very hard. And maybe people won't say it, how they feel about Jeffrey. I don't mind saying it. Because I think my story is probably, if you kind of pull the curtain back, a lot of people feel this way. But at the end of the day, the worst thing for me is, I came out, and my brother worked for Obama. I don't want to get into politics, but Biden was there. He got elected. And we were all seeing what we, you know, our lying eyes. Our eyes were not lying, like Ruth Bader Biden. I said it a year beforehand. And Jeffrey was raising money for him, saying exactly what he said about Hillary, about Biden, and he was doing everything he could. And he said to me, you know, do you want a meeting with him? You know, I was, you know, I give, I'm a Democrat. You want to give a million dollars? And I said, and I'll set up a meeting. I said, do you think I need, through you, so you get credit? How, to me, President, I said, my brother worked in the White House. I mean, I could have gotten to, I could, at a million dollars, anybody could get me a meeting. I don't need you to do it and take credit. And I was screaming at him about Karen Bass, too. And after the election, and he then, when we all realized this is not going well, this is bad, he was saying that he had his ear and could do everything. He then did, nothing happened. He couldn't get him out, didn't get him out. Couldn't get him on the phone or whatever the reasoning was. And then afterwards, he was like, election was over. And he washed his hand of the situation. So I realized, and I probably realized it, but it came, like, he does things mainly, one, he punches down. Two, he does stuff not for the reason, but for how it reflects on him. Not for me. Do you think there was someone more responsible for trying to cover up Joe Biden's mental infirmities outside of Washington, D.C. than Katzenberg? I think there was a lot of people trying to do it. But, you know, I don't know. I just know he kept on saying that he could get me in a room and he had his ear and he was working on stuff. And I mean, I think you realize this in the book. I'm a guy that is not afraid to express his opinion to people. And if something's going wrong, at least have the conversation. And if you're representing something over here that you can do, and that's why you're raising money and you have this, that and the other thing, when it comes time to, you know, sit on that wall, you know, Jack Nicholson, you know, you need me on that wall. You want me on that wall. Get on the wall and do your job. Don't. You were reportedly behind the scenes saying for months before Biden was bounced out, like, get someone else. Anyone get get someone else in there. I do this conference in September called The Weekend. And Ron Klain was on stage. My brother screamed at me. And this is way before. And I just said, you know, we do not need Ruth Bader Biden. And he and I got in a terse conversation. And I was screaming from the top of my lungs, you know, this can't be good. You know who you like this time around? Well, I don't know. I think it's I think my brother, Ron, said it. He was very funny about it. You know, it's going to be 31 flavors. And, you know, I don't know. I know he's one of them. Well, I listen. I am praying my brother is one of them. I don't think whether be him in the Clinton administration and what he did trying to get peace with Arafat, whether it be in the Biden administration, I mean, in an Obama situation whether getting us through the financial crisis and and passing Obamacare. And we can you can talk to him about that. And my brother Zeke about that. I talked to Zeke about that many times. Or when he when he was a when he was a congressman and what he did there and getting Democrats elected. I think he did an incredible job as a mayor in Chicago and fighting the unions of for kids and school, the teachers union, and then learning everything. About our allies in Asia as the ambassador to Japan. I don't think anybody has whether it be how the White House works, how a city works, how Congress works, how and fighting for fighting against teachers and and for better education for kids. I don't think anybody in the current possible if my brother decides to run is better suited for what we need right now. Mm hmm. What? Give me one word, one word that that comes to mind when you think about Rahm Emanuel. You know, my parents always said to us, make the world a better place. I can see it in my brother Zeke. My brother Rahm. Wants to make the place of. The world a better place. He fought for kids in Chicago. He made that place a better place for business. He made mistakes and took responsibility. I think he did the same thing when he was ambassador. same thing in the white house and he's a man committed to helping people um and he's he he told me it was authenticity he thinks that's what will he that that's that's what will set him apart if he decides to run if he decides to run as he said it will be 31 flavors and he will be rocky road and that's what we need all right well we look forward to seeing whether uh you're going to have a brother in the white house or at least uh as a democratic nominee that process is about to unfold as soon as we get past these midterms uh all right another one i gotta ask you about because you write openly about harvey weinstein you were not impressed even before his downfall could you describe describe him physically first of all let's just say the following there was nobody as it relates to movies and television that had better taste in material than harvey weinstein nobody i mean he was he had better taste than anybody you can i mean it's just look he had more i mean he was incredible for where he was i we didn't we were a small company we didn't know anything that was going on to this extent um at one point he came comes up we're about a month and a half old two months old he summons us to the peninsula his shirts backwards food he says he's made a deal for us this small little agency for 10 million dollars that william morris is going to buy us like who the are you i'm nobody asked you to do that and he was probably getting you know it's inside hollywood he was getting a deal from william morris getting stuff and he's going to make this thing happen he's going to push us around and and do all this and i'm like f you that's not happening and um yeah i mean i had you know i had a deal with him and he was probably getting you know it's inside hollywood he was getting a deal from william morris getting stuff and he's going to make this thing happen he's going to push us around and and do all this and i'm like f you that's not happening and um yeah i mean i had you know i had you know i had you know i mean i had many run-ins he screwed around with a movie that mark walberg was in um and uh he was he was he was rough i mean he he had he was rough but this whole other world that he was living i mean disgusting and i think people knew it that had been in the business and been in business with him that represented him i mean in the agency business our competitor caa was representing him so they knew it they were whatever and um yeah it's gross not not not not not not cool well the physical descriptions of him in the book are hilarious talking about like just how slovenly and slo what a slob he was which seems like the opposite of you it must have felt kind of disdainful whenever you had to deal with this guy who as you point out was talented and ultimately powerful he was really really talented and really really powerful because he was a guy that always had projects that were nominated for oscars he had you know and so you needed to get your actors in there my competitors at the time had just taken over caa from mike ovitz and ron meyer and bill haber so they needed that to keep potentially clients and i think well time will tell let's not draw any conclusions but i you know i do think some funny business was going on but that's okay i mean they're they're being able meaning you think caa looked the other way is that what you're saying yeah but you know that's what that's just an opinion the courts will figure it out um there's there's cases coming up and we'll see oh do you think things have changed since his downfall in hollywood um do i think things have changed i'm hoping i mean don't you think the casting couch will always be there i'm hoping not i'm hoping not that would be sad it's like at fox when they made us all go through sexual harassment training and i sat there thinking they're using this for ideas like this is not being unleashed on the on the people the way the management thinks it is and it just seems to me that there may there's going to be a next creepy director who's using the harvey weinstein thing for ideas i hope not um that would be sad um so it would be a very very upsetting did you have you don't have to tell me who it was but did you have anybody come to you after harvey was outed as just a creep pig gross man um tell you stories that you found shocking well i mean i i read i mean you could read it all like all the different stories yeah but did you have anybody come to you and say ari no i don't remember really but they'll all take your breath away like who does that what do you make can i ask you about this because this has been the news lately any thoughts on child actors all right because it's like every day you seem to have another story of another one od-ing or having an implosion and we talked a lot with our audience about how just just dangerous it is to put your kid into a hollywood lifestyle at a young age you you've seen it all so what do you think here's what i would say you know you kids might want to be in the music business and the movie business and the television business parents make decisions parents have a responsibility in that decision to kind of protect them sometimes you can sometimes you can't um those incidents are sad um and um i'm lucky i have four beautiful kids my ex-wife and i scored touchdowns um i think society has a role to play i think the industry has a role to play and i think parents have a role to play and people in power have a role to play and sometimes and it's really sad we can all talk you know people get abused and that's not great and i don't think that's the only reason but um it's a sad outcome i don't if you want to be an actor you want to be great i mean that's but there's people have around you have to also try and be supportive and that takes a lot of different forms and so i mean it's not really the agents who are known for you know uh taking advantage of the young hollywood actress it's it's like those who are doing the movies and have the power over them on the set it's just so disturbing i want to keep going though um okay so let me ask you this something that's always i don't know i don't know if you're familiar with this but it's um that i've always wondered about you since you are you are you got sharp edges no question but my experience with agents is most of them are total and complete suck ups to the point where it makes you uncomfortable suck ups you know like to the talent to where you like you feel uncomfortable like stop stop with all the fake praise i know what's happening like don't do that do you do that that doesn't seem like you no i mean i think the job of an agent is to ride or die with your client the definition i'm getting paid my percentage for my opinion now at the end i will give my opinion if you don't agree with my opinion or you only agree with someone you you're the ceo whether it be a writer director actor musician whatever we're all going to decide what the end game but in the process i'm going to give you my opinion because that's what you're paying me my tenth percent for and then once we make the decision and we're all on the street we're driving we're going that way and so at the beginning i definitely give my opinion and then i live with the i mean i live i you know we live with the customer and i have sometimes with my opinion and i won't mention the clients i have said certain things that have gotten me fired long-time clients and it's okay it is what it is well what one opinion you gave speaking of peter berg was he was being considered you write in the book uh roll the calls for the a directing role for american beauty yeah starring kevin spacey annette benning and um the one thing you said to him was do not whatever you do when you go into this meeting where they're considering you pitch for the lead female role your current girlfriend this is now giving me anxiety what did he do this is giving me anxiety tell us what he did you know he was pitching it all was going right and i prepped him and he he did it and he then calls me and he says they all lean back and he didn't you know get the job and i said to him you know we had a plan we were running a route down and out i said what made you go up down out and up like like you know like what are we doing here and but i would say like in the book it looks like a crazy mess this book in my life at the end the book's great i think and i've had a great life it is great and pete berg has had an incredible career and his talent he had an incredible girlfriend tell us who he was dating who he pitched he pitched madonna yeah i you know so but he's his career they say love is blind it make men blind yeah yes he he landed on his feet as as did madonna but yes i can see why that would have been a source of aggravation to you all right let's talk speaking of aggravation let's talk about larry david so larry david you wore him down you just is that how you get most of the clients because i remember when you were calling me it was relentless it was not i didn't get you though that's your thing i didn't get you i mean what the fuck i would have been a great agent for you incredible i would have been your bet i would have been incredible i met your husband i met roger i met everybody i was like i think i think i'm gonna get there no yes do you remember that you sent roger ale something after meeting with him do you have any memory of this did i send him a shovel yes yes he told you that he grew up digging ditches in ohio yeah he made some he insulted you somehow well he said you shovel shit he he said i'm a democrat and you know and my brother's a democrat and and he said like as if he worked with his hand and came up from nothing as if i didn't i'm f you like and you know he gave this whole long speech about digging ditches whatever so i sent him a shovel yes it was so good i've done a lot of those if memory serves i've done a lot of those gifts he made so snide comment to me about you like uh you know he's he shovels shit and i told you and then you sent him the shovel like you wouldn't back down to anybody and it was a good natured sort of ribbing um but yeah roger would have preferred i remain unrepresented forever he did not like the talent getting connected with agents at all um and that's where i am now frankly then the audience knows that it's it's lovely to be independent and not not have to no offense to you i never had you represent me but in general i'm very anti-agent wow this book didn't help you get i've had some bad experiences already this book didn't help you get over that it's listen you the man i like you the agent i respect but agents in general nothing but bad experiences i just to defend a profession that i am in and i have started in and then even though i do other things now agents it's an incredible occupation in that you take an artist you take their dreams you figure out a financial situation to make that happen getting them economics and the freedom to make what they want to make you defend them um and then you make sure that when conflict happens you you get through the conflict and then great things come out of it if you if you do it well it is in and of itself one of the great art forms um and it's on the business side of it but without it um i think it's a very difficult for artists to be protected hollywood is yeah i think in news it's it's a lot easier and you know if you're you think it's a lot easier now i think it's getting harder in news because of what's happening oh that could be i don't know with me i only ever used an agent to negotiate a deal like toward the end of my time and in cable news and that it was pointless because i can negotiate my own deal not everybody can or wants to um but i just always felt like it's just a waste of your money because unless you're going to really use your agent in hollywood makes sense because you're going from project to project you got a lot to manage in news it's like you sign a three-year deal i give away whatever here's the thing all right i want to keep going keep going we got to talk about megan markle i'll get back to larry david so you recently talked about the fact that you're going to do a three-year deal it was a great thing that you were no longer having to think about her yeah why why is that great listen i got a busy life she is finding her voice i'm happy for her we're we're the great thing i hope as a parent of starting william morris endeavor is there's people here that they can handle stuff and and handle clients and for me i i just had a lot on my plate with i've started a new company i run tko i have clients and it was it was better to let them deal with her and execute against her needs and her desires and i'm happy that everybody's doing it for me then to have you do that i i couldn't i couldn't it couldn't occupy i didn't want it occupying my brain and when i'm involved in somebody constantly when i wake up in the morning clients occupy my brain when that's what happens and i just didn't want to do that anymore having nothing about her i just needed to move on to other things i was doing did you find there was a big appetite for her services well i mean you know i i think there's a bunch of things that our people are doing for her now so that's a good thing i'm just not involved i'm not involved and not in a bad way i just i just have a lot on my plate and i have to be rageful and all those things i can't you know on her i can't be rageful you did represent her and then somehow you didn't and clearly you made that decision i just i just had to shift my focus to other things that were a priority for me things that actually could get bookings and make money for the great thing is i hope i've done with my own children my four kids you have to let them grow up i don't want to be a helicopter parent and here at the agency agents can go do their job they've been taught really well they are they're doing their job fantastic it's it doesn't seem to be going that well actually but i don't think that's the fault of your agent she's actually getting booked and there's reality stuff and tv stuff they're doing stuff i don't know about it oh really you are so full of it this is the first thing i've had you when i got you on the ropes you are full of it you've had me on the ropes for now 42 minutes what are you talking about okay i will let you off the hook and i'll bring you over to safer ground which is larry david yeah um you wore him down he decided to represent you and is it true what this stuff about what he allegedly said at your wedding that he called you a mutant a freak of nature and even the c word the c word multiple times my mom who has lost her hearing couldn't figure out what he was saying it was it was one of the first of all larry david is truly a gift one of the funniest people ever creators of all time the show he just finished actually for the obamas and hbo was i think unbelievably inventive and and hysterical skits and he's a really great friend um and yeah he went on he he you know he roasted me and what did you what did your mom think he called you i don't remember what she thought but it wasn't the word he said here here i i i think it was couch she thought he was calling you a cow exactly yeah yeah sweet mom all right let me do a couple quick hits with you can you give me a couple quick answers you can you can pass if you feel you must um who's got the biggest power the who has got the biggest star power in a room just generally yeah in in hollywood like hollywood people yeah you know them all like you've been in the presence of all these major stars who's got the biggest star power in the room well as an actor on on serious stuff um probably um leo dicaprio matt damon ben affleck uh wayne johnson that group that makes sense who is the biggest comedy is probably in the room on comedy it's adam sandler yeah adam sandler who's the biggest ass in the room i think most people in hollywood would say me that's rough who's the biggest diva um i won't deal with the diva so i don't really i don't i don't know it doesn't have to be a bad thing i don't know diva can be i don't know neutral i don't i don't i don't i won't no longer in my life will i deal with the diva oh that explains what happened between you and megan that's you that's you my love that's you okay what who is the nicest guy in the industry well i have incredible clients so you know you talk about larry david pete um tyler perry incredible jonah hill's been incredible jim brooks uh greg daniels and i mean i have like i have i ride or die with really great clients and now you know marty scorsese unbelievable they're they're they're these are great people is it is are those names that anybody would like to work with just because they're so enjoyable like they they show up they work hard that kind of person Yeah. I mean, that's a, that's, that's like, that's the creme de la creme. I mean, I'm, I'm honored to be in business with those people. How about for a female? Like who's, who's the nicest female you've worked with? Meghan Markle. Oh, can I tell you one of the great, one of the best female. You need that shovel back. One of the great, one of the great female people ever. Oprah Winfrey. She's incredible. Generous, thoughtful, kind, incredible. Very successful. Very successful. Very smart. What about putting yours truly to the side? The biggest star who ever got away? Well, what do you mean? Like they, I was representing them and then they fired me. That or they just wouldn't sign with you? You know, here's what I think about that. Can I just say this? And this is not the shovel again. Yeah. I'm, I, I'm, I'm supposed to represent who I represent because of my personality. Them, they know what they got. Yes. The biggest star that got away. You, motherfucker. If it was meant to be. Exactly. We'll still come back together. That's right. Maybe this whole thing was just a roundabout way of actually landing that deal. I'm going to get, I'm going to get back in now. The calls are going to start. God help me. And you've got the number. That's what's really scary. All right. Listen, the book is called Roll the Calls. You'll see it in your store because it's orange. It stands out and it says Ari Emanuel on it. It's well worth your time to get to know. New York Times bestseller. It's one of a kind. My mom loves me a little. I mean, that's amazing. My mom loves me a little bit more than my two brothers. But what I'm saying is even better than that. She loves me a little bit more. What I'm saying is even better than that, which is I'll give it my personal endorsement as highly entertaining and like your brother, Rahm, authentic. Thanks for being here, Ari. All the best. Thank you so much. Lots of love. Bye-bye. I'll see you soon. What a guy, right? Take in your thoughts. 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