The host announces her decision to move back to New York, marking a significant shift after three and a half years in Los Angeles. While she deeply values LA’s lifestyle—its natural beauty, relaxed pace, and community—she finds her current life in the city lacks the social stimulation and connection she craves. As an extroverted, active person, she feels more energized and fulfilled in New York, where she can engage with a vibrant community, travel frequently, and maintain close ties with her extended family, especially her nephews, who are a primary source of emotional joy. She emphasizes that the move is not a rejection of LA but a conscious evolution of her life goals, driven by a desire for balance, personal growth, and meaningful social interaction. The podcast remains a central priority, with plans to adapt its format (in-person or virtual) without major disruption. Both hosts stress mutual understanding, respect, and shared values—recognizing that while their lives have changed, their partnership remains strong. Shashank, who is also drawn to New York’s energy and culture, shares a similar vision, though he values the quiet comfort of LA. Ultimately, the decision is framed as a personal and mature choice, rooted in authenticity, emotional well-being, and long-term fulfillment. The hosts acknowledge that while the move may be challenging, it represents a new chapter of freedom, growth, and connection. They remain open to revisiting the decision in the future, but for now, the transition feels inevitable and aligned with their evolving lives.
If you are really at a rock bottom, you really feel like you have nothing to lose. No better time to take a big swing. No better time to pivot, fuck it. (upbeat music) - This podcast is a dear media production. - Hi guys. - Hi guys. - Welcome back to another episode of Girls Gotta Eat. - Welcome back. - How are we feeling? - I'm so tired. I'm so sleepy. - Don't start. - Don't start on this 'cause it gets contagious. - No, you know I can't be working. I don't always, my hours are over at four. - We always say you're sundowning and I feel like this is like we need to treat this topic with care and respect today. - I respect it, but it's 3.34 and my time to be done is four. - It's correct. - Okay, you guys, you got 20 minutes. - You try to start work last night at 9.30 and I was like, oh no, I don't have the energy. - Well, I caught something that needed to be restructured and I was like, I will do this at 6 in the morning. (laughing) The text kept coming and I was like, I know she's right and I have to go to sleep. (laughing) Like, you know I'm always like, she's working so I should be working, but more importantly, I would like to be a slave. - So it was to prepare for an episode last night that I didn't really wanna do last night on a Sunday night but I had to wake up this morning as Monday morning as we record and take us over to the vet at 9 AM. He's fine, he has this thing on his ear which she had to get like little needle prick and send it off and he has to get meds. - We all need a little prick sometimes. - So I had to, yeah, exactly. And I just didn't have the morning to prep. So last night, like, Shashank was like, do you wanna, what do you wanna watch? Should we cook dinner and I was like, I have to like do this shit and prep for an episode. - Crazy, you don't look at your husband and just think play time. I was like, she is three years in. - Yeah. - No, like, of course, you mean like time to fuck? - It's just time to hang. - I was like, she's working. - We hung all weekend. - You did have a long hang weekend. - This did a lot. - We didn't hang out with anybody but each other this weekend. - Yeah, that's how my life is all the time. Just by myself. Just ran out of anything going on, you guys. I don't know if you could tell. She's just alone at home here in LA all the time. You're like literally never here. - I have never since friendship. - I've never, I haven't admitted to myself since I got back. Finally, everyone's out of my house. - But we did film some content yesterday. And we had fun with it. But I'll just take a minute while we're here. So Shishong created an app called KitchenSync. It's so incredible. It's such a game changer. It generates recipes. So you just put in what you have or don't have in your kitchen and it will generate ingredient lists and recipes and three different recipes, basic, classic and creative. And there's so many features in the premium. Any single recipe you find online, Instagram, blog, Facebook, TikTok. You can import it directly into the app. It's just so much fun. And we've talked to this before. But you guys are near around here, KitchenSync recipe builder. You can find the app store and now on Android. That's what I wanted to plug. Because people are like, where is it on Android? And it's available now. There's voice commands. Like he has built so many cool things in this app. So check it out, you guys. And I help with some parts of it. And I see some of the Instagram messages. And people are saying like, I'm a busy mom. And this has helped me so much. And like, I have anxiety about what to cook for dinner. And this is helps and everything. And now they get to watch videos where Shashank making it. But so the stuff that performs the best on the social is him cooking. And he has done some without me. But when I'm involved, I'm like, direct. And I work in the lighting and the sound and everything. And then he had videos to blow in. So yesterday was my first appearance. OK. So he basically was going to make these things. This like rice paper, bacon egg and cheese. And he was like, and Ashley's going to help. And you guys go watch it. It's on kitchensync.app as the Instagram. And then it pans to me. And did you not watch it? Yeah, you guys would influence her couple. But it was very funny. I'm like, in my red light scrolling. But this is the only time I haven't been in his cooking videos. I didn't think so. I'm letting him cook, literally. Letting him cook, literally. I mean, I think it's just so nice he wants to be on the videos, too. That's not for everybody. He doesn't want to be. He actually doesn't. He just spins his wedding ring. And he's like, I love spinning around. But he's really eloquent and well-spoken. And he looks great on camera. But he hates to do it. Just want to tell you guys, we are no risk of him becoming an influencer. But it was fun to spend a few hours doing that. But it really made me think that some couples do it all the time. And I respect it. I mean, we had John and Alex on a few years ago. They're full-time influencer. Couple, Kate and Chad do a lot together. And I love their content. But I don't know if I could live that life. I think about it sometimes. Like, could you live that life where your relationship is your business and you get to do whatever you want? You get to travel the world. But you have to work together and create content. And it's just not for everybody. And for the people that it works for, I think it's really wonderful. I guess I have no judgment about it at all. I think that's how you make your back. And people love to see you guys together on the internet. Then you should do that. Like, totally. In my dream world, when I'm on vacation with my partner, I'm not setting up a camera. It's make content and film special moments. Like, that is truly my time off. And you and I are on camera all week, every week also. So like, when we're away, like, that's nice for me to not have to do that. But if that's what's fun for you guys, and it's easy and it's second nature, and you just bang it out. I mean, Kate Steinberg and her fiancee were on our show a few months ago. And like, I think it's the second nature for them to do that now. It would take me all day. Yeah. But also, if you're on a free trip, like our trip to Singapore, like, if you're on a brand trip that you wouldn't go on otherwise, you're like, I'll figure out how to make it work. Also, I film everything I do anyways. Yeah, it's just about editing the-- - Editing it real quick. - I know. But I was thinking I should. It was like, I could do this with him once a week. I don't know about every day. A three hour cooking video? Yeah, we had fun. Okay. And he edits, and I get in there, and I tweak, and we, like, collaborate on it. But like, I don't know. It's still fun. It's not, this is our job. It's our job. Yeah. But what we want to do right now, have you seen these TikTok trends, where you say something in four different tones? - No. - Have you not seen it? - No. - Enthusiastic, sarcastic, flirty, or supportive, or something, and people-- - It's one sentence? - Yeah, so the first one I saw said sit down, and it was white mom, black mom, Indian mom, Hispanic mom, which that was these three black women that did it. It was like, so people have taken that, and the latest one, which I asked us all, Lena Dunham, do, which I think Shashankanar are gonna do, is you shaved your bush, and you say it supportive-- - sarcastic. - Supportive, and just disappointed, sarcastic, flirty. You haven't seen these, we know-- - No, do one! - I'm dammit, I always sad when I don't see a TikTok trend. It's so sad, I mean, I try to explain to you a TikTok trend, you haven't seen it. Last summer, my sister-in-law didn't know I'm a mommy. And I was like, are you on the internet? - That is so wild. - That is so wild. I just want to circle back. It started with, wow, okay. So, wow, okay, supportive, disappointed, sarcastic, flirty. - That's so funny. - And then I saw this couple do get the fuck out in all the different ways. - In all the different ways. - How would you say flirty? - Fuck out. I used to touch her hair, okay. - No, I'm just like-- - It's body language. - Get the fuck out of here. Like, you couldn't imagine saying that. - Yeah. - Get the fuck out. - Yeah, get the fuck out. And you watch these three people or two people do it, however many, I've seen like three max. I don't think I've seen four people do it. You watch them, there's an actor in the group. - And like those three moms that do this-- - Do you think it's gonna be mark talented between you two? - I think Shoshong's gonna come out swing it and like surprise everybody. - Really, you don't think it's gonna be you. I just think girls, you know. - I think I'm gonna overthink it. - I don't have an evening. - Anyway, okay, well, I'm gonna show you some of my favs. Okay, you can-- - I'm excited to see that. - Okay, well let's just think of partners and we will get into it. - All right, thanks to LiquidIV. You get 20% off your first order at liquidiv.com with code GGE and ORFrames, get $35 off select frames at ORFrames.com with a code GGE and FP movement. Go to epimovement.com to shop their full line of act of wear and work out gear. - And thank you to WhatNot, download the app and score amazing deals plus free shipping on your first order. And thank you to NoCD. If you're struggling with NoCD, book a free 15 minute call at learn.noCD.com/GGE. - That sounds like funny. - Okay. - I had-- - Whether you just fart in the sneeze at the same time. - No, that's never happened in a way. - And you just, it just happened. - You can't prove it. - I bet we have one of the cameras running. - I'm gonna find the receipt that Rayna just-- - That was a joke scare. - I don't want you on blast or how gross you are. No, because I think that was Braves and I told you that, okay? You didn't hear it. - I didn't hear it. You didn't have to tell me. I didn't have to tell everybody. - Listen, I don't want to talk about this because I really, when we've ever heard me fart, never. - Yeah. - People work in this like, what? It's just a bodily function camp. And I'm like, yeah, do you fart in front of your friends? Be honest. - I never, I don't do that. (laughs) - That was an extreme scenario I sneezed at the same time. - Look, it's allergy season. - Okay, what are you gonna tell me? - I had a crazy celebrity sighting yesterday, like insane. - What? - What's like one of the crazy slabs you think you could see? It's a woman and she's like a real a-lister. - Nicole? - That level. - And? - No. - I can even want more gas knowledge. - Actor? It's hard to narrow it down, I know, but it's an actress. - Not Goldie. - Han? - Yeah, I, no. - Okay, I saw her one time. - So, Kate Hudson? (laughs) - Okay, Goldie's done? (laughs) - Kate, and she's blonde. - Okay, one more, one more. Connie Britton, I'm kidding, I've imagined. - We've seen her so many times. - We've seen her all the time. - A blonde, Meryl Streep? - Yugger. - I thought I had.
- She's around her age, she's a little younger than us. - A fanning? - Older than a fanning. - Oh, a fanning, it's not Kate. - Who else is there, give me a clue, I like this. - She's in some of my, actually two of my favorite movies. She, it was cast as the most beautiful woman that there is. - Hi Barbie. - Oh, Margot Robbie. (laughing) - I was sitting at, what did Crito Inudo yesterday? - One of the best restaurants in LA. - It's on the street in, it's a dog town. - It's on a street, I'm in a street. - Unbelieveable when I've heard meals I've had here. - Me too, and they don't really even mend you. They just on a chalkboard, they're like, this is the fish we do today. - Good night. - And Nadi Wine, just I'll be there. We sat outside and we were like a two-top and Melanie, there's a girl sitting next to us in all black, like a black sundress, a black bucket hat. This guy comes over to the table and sits down with them and the waitress like bypasses us and just goes right up to that guy. She's like, what can I get you in? And I was like, he's fucking people. What are they? - For us. - And Melanie goes, oh my God, that's Margot Robbie. And she's sitting at the table like next to us. And I'm like, oh my God, I'm so uncomfortable. That's like a level of star. What are you guys? - What are you guys? - The Wolf of Wall Street Barbie. Like these are my favorite movies. - No, that's huge. - She's there with her husband and her child. They're sitting next to us. She's on the street on a Sunday afternoon. And I'm trying to have a normal experience. Like I don't know how to have a normal experience to next to her. Margot Robbie's voice. She's coming out of Margot Robbie's. - And so beautiful. - Yes. And Melanie's, I hear her, she's talking about movies and different things she's doing. And like, Melanie cannot make eye contact with me. She is just staring at Margot Robbie. I'm like, can you please stop this? I'm trying to just talk to her like a normal person. She will not talk back to me. She's like, she's talking about movie. She's going to be on it. I was like, she's looking at you in the face. - Yeah. - She can hear you. - I mean, Karina, first of all, why were you trying to talk when you could be eavesdropping on Margot Robbie? - Oh. - Okay, can you imagine being an earshot of someone like that? Do you better not fucking speak to me? Right now, you're being so annoying. She was just looking directly at Margot Robbie's face, being like, she's talking about movies right now. And I was like, I'm eating very quietly. And I'm listening, I'm sorry. - I'm with you. It was, she was so close to me. It was so uncomfortable. I mean, these tables are inches apart. - This is crazy. We're trying to have a normal conversation. - I was, I'm a team Melanie. - I didn't know what to do. So then I started taking photos. - Melanie's like, you're being so awkward. You're making this so weird. I'm like, oh, I'm making this weird. - So beautiful. - Oh, you guys are just like daytime hours. - Daytime, just middle of the day. - Wow. - It's light out until you get hurt now. - Yeah. She's so beautiful. She's so lovely to staff. And her husband's so. - Her husband's hot or kids cute. - Who's her husband? - I think he's just a director. - Okay. - I don't think I've ever sat next to somebody with that level of star power. - Yeah, no, no, no, no. I just certainly haven't. We had a star sighting recently that was so random. We had Kelly Rizzo on the podcast a couple weeks ago. Month of probably go at this point. May just fucking flew by, dude. I knew that was going to happen. May 1st, I was like, it's going to be June 1st tomorrow. - Yeah, but every May we are, I did 15 live shows in May. - We're never here in May. - It just, it flew by. The next night we went to the Benjamin and did it treat us so well. It's our favorite place, whatever. And as soon as we walked in, Shashank clocked Lori Lothan at the bar. - Oh, you did tell me this. - He's really good. I just don't, I've never had a sense for it. That night we ate across from Goldihon. What is it, the really romantic place in Santa Monica? - Not Georgia, about a muse. - Muse, yes. Like the table next to us is like, that's Goldihon. Like, I'm just so bad about it. It's not in my radar. I can't believe we live in LA and celebrity's just aren't in my radar. - It was not in my radar at all. - But Lori Lothan, I mean, so stunning. Unbelievably beautiful. And like, where I sat, I got to have a direct line of vision. And everybody was being so cool. It was very obviously what she was. And when she got up to leave, people were all like, you know, said little things. And it was just so funny that we just record with Kelly Rizzo. And then a week or two later, it was Bob Sagitt's birthday. And Kelly was with her. And I was like, I just saw her. And you know, who we never talked about. Huge celebrity was when we got burritos. And what? Elijah, what? That's major. Okay, I like a celebrity sighting. They're near us. Elijah went with his kids and his wife and they're in line. To sit next to Margot Robbie was like, physically uncomfortable. I was just like, the star power is so big. I'm such a huge fan. I can't believe she was like one of our favorite local restaurants. That's one of what that's in our neighborhood. Yes, just there, just being so beautiful. And you're like, I mean, her work is my favorite movies of all time. Like, do you say it to them? Like, I was just like, who gets to have a normal conversation next to her? It's so crazy. The Elijah would think it was wild because he had to wait in that taco line. Like everybody else. He rolled up in a pretty normal car. Well, that's why we didn't really think it was him because the car. The smoking gun was the car. And then he just waited in line with his family. And I had to Google his wife to confirm it was him. And there he was. Wait a minute. Wait a minute for 20 minutes for tacos. It's like a normal person. Just like everybody else. What's that taco place called? Sonora. Sonora town. Sonora town. Unbelievable. I feel like you're unlocking a memory where I sat next to someone famous. I would have told you about it. You told me, Lori Laughlin. The only other person I've ever sat next to was Jonah Hill at a restaurant. And he was like really rude to me. Oh no. I said hi to him. And he just started mocking me. It was crazy. Oh. I was like 15 years ago. I was five. I once was at a bar with him. We played ping pong. He was really nice. He was really nice. He was really nice. I don't think I want to be that close to a celebrity. I don't think I'm capable of functioning. In front of your face, the server is backing up to our table. Excuse me, excuse me, do you mind? Excuse me, do you mind? The server is basically sitting on Shashong's lap the server faces, I hate what you do. the server faces, I hate what you do. I'm amazing. Yeah, exactly. I mean, it's been a whole journey of our friendship where I've just stepped in and people feel bad where I've just stepped in and people feel bad where I've just stepped in and people feel bad I, Raina, I'm sorry if I had asked someone to get up and take a photo of us and then it wasn't good enough for whatever reason and then I asked the server, I would say something. I would say I'm so sorry I look so bad. I look so ugly. I look so ugly. Yes. I would totally acknowledge it. 'Cause she spiked me away. Some people don't really know what they were sensitive humor and they won't say stuff like that to you. Very few locals up in there that felt so dorsely. But anyway, I still recommend. But I just thought that was a funny thing that happened and then we just had to sit there and sit there knowing that they're at, that they hate your work, that they don't like the art. I could not help myself. I would be the most awkward person on the planet being like yelling across, I'm so sorry. It has nothing to do with you. I just hated the way I looked. I didn't want to bother you again. Also, I probably would just sit there and pout and not. I would either wait for you guys to leave or I just would have like dealt with the consequences of my actions. I don't know if I had the balls to do something like that. And you know what else? Whenever I take photos of people, friends are strangers. Hey, check if you like it. Check if you like it because I'm up. My man's in the bathroom. I'm up. You've already disturbed me.
- Okay. - No servers are trying to get through it at the moment. I have time, I love to do it. - Totally. - These people fucked up. - Yeah. - Also, a bunch of times at this wedding we were at, somebody else took a couple photos of me so low. Multiple times. Right before we went out to dinner the first night, right after the wedding ceremony, I was like, don't intervene here. I actually will do this. - It's just crazy, like we've talked to this before. Like, people will zoom in. - They'll zoom out with a zoom. - The portrait on, I didn't ask you to do that. - That's crazy. - Just use the camera the way I've handed it to you. - Why is the bottom third the ground? - I don't understand. - What do you, what? I don't understand you have eyes. - But that's something that's stupid at like framing. It's like, you don't need to change the camera settings. I got this. When somebody puts me on point five and I have not asked them to, why do I look like this? - Why? - I look ridiculous. - I know, it's really so crazy. - I'm not small enough. I think you just, you call me fat? - It was so funny. We were in, do we a couple weeks ago, me and like, my girlfriends and Matt was trying to get a photo of us and he could not, he's too tall. It looks like it's an up angle like you used to do in like what to skinny angle. And like the early 2000s, like too high. - It's like a millennial angle. - Honestly. - Like a bobble head. - So he's trying to, like Matt, hold it at your chest. Like hold it at six feet, not six seven. - Six seven, like it was just crazy. And like finally the hostess came over and was like, do you know what I mean? It's just, format. He wasn't doing anything wrong. It just, he couldn't get the angle right being that tall. - No, if you were seeing Jeremy take a photo of me, he like, he like, hunches down. It looks crazy. - Jeremy's laying on the ground. - He can't take a photo of me from a normal angle. He's six four. - Yeah, I know, it's tough. It's so tough to be a tall man. - Oh my gosh, so awful. - Okay, we're just gonna take a quick break and then we have some big news for you guys. But I am gonna tell you about no CD. So everyone has doubts or anxieties. We're gonna talk about doubts and anxieties today. But everyone has doubts or anxieties about their relationship from time to time. But for some people, those thoughts and anxieties feel all consuming and impossible to move on from. And these symptoms can look like creating mental lists of your partner's pros and cons, while panicking about whether you made the wrong choice. Constantly researching signs you're with the right person online, having a random dream about spending your life with another person and feeling guilty and terrified about what that might mean. 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And I've bought so many of their sets and when I find one that I love, I buy it in every color too. They also have great, these coastline hiking shorts, these carpet EM shorts. I mean, if you just want like really cute stylish of the season essentials, they have all of that and the material's great, it's high end. There's so much to choose from. - The best bike shorts or workout shorts, like tight spandex shorts, whatever you guys want to call 'em. I'm obsessed, they make the best I've ever found. I've worn like every single brand. I just love a short like that. And we love their bags. They're just like comfy carry on recently when I traveled and again, it's just like fun with these tanks, the t-shirts, just love the whole look. - Yeah, so this active wear brand, I mean, we just absolutely love it. We love it for summer, we love it for every season, but really for summer. And you can shop the full line of active wear workout gear at fpmovement.com/ge. - Okay, so let's talk about something major. - Well, I'm excited to announce. I'm moving back to New York. I have teased this a lot, shocker. - I mean, I've basically been like pretty as much best bike hostels as any of the K&Bs. It's like August, I've run off there anytime I can. And so I signed Elise. I signed Elise actually at this really crazy moment in my life, 'cause at the beginning of the year when we do our years episode, I said my only goals for the year were to do this tour and then move back to New York. And the morning of my last show of the first leg of this tour in Pittsburgh, I signed my lease. And so they coincided, which is crazy. - Well, that's really so, so special. - And I am just so proud of the tour. And so I'll be moving back to New York. And I lived there for 15 years, and I lived in LA for three and a half years. - Which is not crazy. - That we've lived here for so long? - It feels crazy to me. Like I can't believe we've been here three and a half years. - I don't worth the time. - It's supposed to be three months. - But where did the time go? - Yeah. - And LA served a really special place in my life. And I'm not leaving LA 'cause I don't love LA. I love so much about LA. And especially now that I'm leaving, I feel even more nostalgic about it. Like I spent all weekend being like the weather and the air and the flowers and the people and the food. And like I love this city so much. And it's not a rejection of this city. It's just that like my best friends in the world, my community, my family besides you and Shashank are there. And you and I had this really big community of friends in LA for a long time. And a lot of people just started to leave and move. And you know there's a lot of reasons why I went back. You and I are just from the East Coast. I really miss it. My family is on East Coast. And I don't really want to date in LA and I'm single. And I think about being like 40 and single. And what city can you live in where there's a large community of people that are 40 and single? And LA is, it can be really lonely and really isolating. And I do feel that most of my social circle is me and a bunch of couples and always out a bunch of couples. And I love our friends' partners. But I don't really want to socialize at all the time. I don't want to feel like I never have a one-in-one interaction with a girlfriend. And that is, I think in New York, there's a lot of people in the 40s that are single. And I want that. I want to be around that. 50s single, like it just doesn't. You never lose. I don't think you ever can't find that community. Yeah. And there's a lot of giving up. I love the space here. I love the weather. And I love the ease of life. And I bought this house. And it's the thing I've been so proud of in my life. And I put all this money into renovating it. And I don't know. I don't want to say I made a mistake, because I made a decision that honored where I was at my time in my life then. But I feel like every fiber of my being called back to New York. Totally. And I think people are just like, what does that mean for your friendship? And what does that mean for the podcast? And I mean, if it wasn't for you, I would have moved a year ago. You're the thing that anchors me here. You're my family. You're the closest relationship in my life. So it's a hard decision without you. And you can't stay in one place for one person forever. And you and I are always back and forth to New York. And it just-- it feels like my home. And that's where I feel like really called to be right now. And so that's it. I mean, those are all my thoughts and feelings about it. I never thought I'd move back there necessarily. When we moved here, I was like-- Oh my god. You really rejected it. I was like, I don't want to be in New York. I mean, I really needed a break. I feel like you and I were touring so much. And it maybe feels so happy to land here. And New York's a hard life. It's bad weather. It's a harder life all around. And it is so expensive. It's unfathomable. The spaces are small. It's cold. It's hard to do everything. It's more expensive. The ubers are more expensive, you know? And I don't know. I can always change my mind to the year and a half. I hope I don't. But this is where I feel that I want to be in my life right now. And you're the hardest thing. You're the only thing that's hard to leave. But I'm really excited. Yeah, I'm excited for you. The place is gorgeous. And it's in a neighborhood you want to be in. And you know, we have made these decisions together over the past eight plus years. So I don't know. I didn't know how I was going to react to talking about the podcast. It has been a little destabilizing for rain in a move away. And to have to figure out what the podcast looks like. And we have said, not that it's going anywhere you guys, literally what it looks like, literally if it's in person virtual, it's never nothing's going to change in terms of the set might change or whatever. If you episodes here and there might be virtual, whatever, like we want to do this the best we can. It really is our priority. It's our career. But we kind of decided, I don't know. I don't know the first time we had this conversation that like if someone wanted to move or be somewhere else that they could do that. And like, we really probably wouldn't have said that to each other year three, year four, year five. I mean, you know, we want to be together. We're not just business partners, but we're best friends and we're like family. And of course, we want to be in the same city for so many reasons for all the reasons. But if someone wants to make a change, like they can do that, you know, if it was never really that I was going to go live in Boston, but like if I decided I wanted to, Reyna would have understood and we would have figured it out. And I think we just hit this point where like we've been doing this so long, we can't be tethered to somewhere where someone isn't 100% happy because of a podcast that we can do from afar. You know, I've had friends that have said to me like, you can't stay somewhere just for a job, but it's like this is not a job, this is the most important thing in my life. This is our company, this audience is the most important thing. It's the thing I'll be the most proud of in my entire life. And there's nobody I'll ever know better than you in my entire life. And I would never make decisions without you. You have another person to think about also, you know, I can't make decisions for Shashank and vice versa. I don't know. It's been really hard. if I didn't feel like it.
so lonely if I didn't feel just lonely all the time it would be different well I hate to hear you say that I hope people don't interpret that as like you and I don't like to spend time together and do stuff I but I mean I want to validate your experience and Rain and I of course do we hang out almost every day like we do plenty of things like solo but like the group stuff is like mostly all couples and when she has said I don't have one single friend left like one single girlfriend she's not exaggerating you know it really turned into that and like when and Brittany wasn't the single but like she was long distance you know she was here and available to hang and then when she left it was like the final nail in the coffin like we truly have like no one left and we can of course you can always make new friends but we have a million friends like I can barely keep up with all my friends they just stopped being here wait let me rewind something I don't feel lonely because of you that's not I know you can't make one person your whole life and I can't expect them and I would love to show up at your house all the time and like you and Shashank have never made me feel like a third wheel and ever in my life like I think about Shashank that's my friend I love him like I was thinking about like doing a going away party with like the girls and I was like there's nothing in the world I would ever do without including him you can't have like one person of course of course and like you know that's the beauty of being like adults in our 40s and being evolved and like I you know I'm trying to decide if it's like triggering anything in me to feel like you're like leaving me but like I changed our life too you know like I got married we moved here and we were like single we had all these friends and like our life just kind of change and you were nothing but like supportive and accepting of the changes in my life and I can't deny that you are happier in New York I mean it would be crazy for me to pressure or guilt you in any way and like you know we've had this last few months of like Reyna really knowing that she wants to move I mean she said it early in the year and I think the writing was clearly in the wall last year too but especially recently where it's like it's happening a little intel she did suddenly before that she said it changed her mind it's just been these conversations I think we mentioned this before on the podcast of like everyone asking like breathing down our neck but just in that they want to know and there are friends and we don't have answers and like the answers are still a little unclear but like all I've known is that like I have to like let this happen even if it is going to be painful or even if it's going to affect some of our job in some way and so it's just like there was no other solution is to like obviously be a hundred percent on board with you moving away and I love it here I like love the nature and the beauty and I feel like Christa Williams said something on our podcast when she they came on about how much she values beauty and I'm like I'm the same way like my surroundings not in a person you know but like I love that we took a walk this weekend in Santa Monica in the neighborhood we live in that felt like paradise like it feels like you're in Portugal or like the South of France I mean you're an hour away you're like how is this America like California is a dream LA is a dream I sleep better here I was always happier here not right now like I am more relaxed I like have a better quality of life it's undeniable I love the food I think it's the best in the country like I can go read a book on the beach anytime I want like things are easier life is easier and it is really beautiful and I have friends here of course still there are all couples like we said and I have social activities that fulfill me but they're really getting like fewer fewer and farther between and I am an extrovert like through and through like I want to feel like I'm in the mix I'm in the scene like it's really insane how different my life is in New York than here they're different lives it's like a different woman it's like a someone that is working all day out every night just inspired the energy I'm sharper there I don't even sleep as much and I still somehow like my brain works differently and I come here and we're just like chilling and like I love my life here with Shashank like I think it is a really special place to be if you're in a partnership like just the weekend trips we take and the restaurants we try and you're in the car a lot more but you're with somebody and traffic doesn't bother you as much when you're like you know listen to music with your partner and I have loved being here with him and getting married here and like all the adventures that we've taken but I think I have decided that like this is the place I like want to escape to and like not live in anymore and I do feel like we will probably move back in like I will probably miss LA more than I ever miss New York in these last three and a half years I've said that since day one if we if I move away from here I will miss it so much like all the things you mentioned when New York is so hard like I will just be like oh my god that like dream that we lived in LA like I will miss it so much but I just think I want to escape here and visit here and live in New York where I'm like stimulated and fulfilled and my family is closer and like the final thing that I'll say is like when I really think about my life and like what matters to me and what I value at this age and in this stage is just right and right only but I always say I want to be in New York during the week and LA and the weekends and I say that because I want to go go go and be working and motivated and out during the week in New York and then on the weekends I would love to take a hike and be in a place that I'm in awe of with my friends or my husband or my dog and you know I think that giving that up will be the hardest part and I think we'll spend more time upstate New York or the Hamptons or in Delaware with my family I mean being close to my family is like going to be such a game changer and having the holiday season and Shashankanai not having to navigate the our families and like we can be in Boston and in Delaware in the same day I just I really to think about like driving out of your parents house for Christmas like getting there from LA has been yeah awful the last year it's been tough I wouldn't give it up for the world but it's really hard yeah I mean I'll miss those Philly American flight attendants every day because we won't be flying that as much we can stop at the airport if you missed that but I just I feel like I had this epiphany this weekend where we did all these like beautiful things like in the span of five hours I feel like just like the way we were living we're in this hotel if I look we're in France we went and walked along the water we went and had like dinner up on that hillside I'm just like not stimulated enough yeah that's how I feel I mean I've thought for many years I always said to myself where do we want to live where do we want to vacation and I've thought you're so long I want to live in LA I want to be I want to you know vacation in New York and around and to your point I'm a very different person in New York I just run around all day long I have an endless capacity to go on other people's podcast and record our podcast and go to a meeting and then I come home and I shower and I go out to dinner with our friends and it's not that I don't meet really interesting people in LA I just don't do that much stuff in LA and so when I got in New York I'm always around people that I'm amazed by what they're creating and doing and it's easier to get to those things I walk to places I walk seven eight miles a day I don't think about it like I'm always just like doing a lot and I think at this age that's what I want to be doing and I can always move back here and I also don't have a partner I wish things were different like I wish I had this partner and a big social group like a friend's here and I would probably enjoy being here a little bit more I just at four o'clock my day and sometimes and I'm just like well I guess that's it like there's so much more I would do here but like to get in the car and drive for an hour and a half to an event because you need to be there at seven thirty p.m. like I don't want to that makes me miserable yeah I want to run around on foot or by subway and I just feel like I feel like my community is in New York and it's interesting I was thinking about you versus everybody else because I was like besides you everybody else that I think of as as family my best friends in the world are all in New York yeah but I think about it as like an electoral college like your Texas or California like you get the most votes yeah like so funny I carry the most weight you do like I was thinking like I just every time I leave New York especially the last few months I like I miss it in my body I feel sick leaving I don't want to I like run around with all these people that I love so much but like then there's you and like you're the anchor to this but like you should be and you have more votes than everybody else and our business is more important to me than most other things and I feel like I fought this for a whole year and I don't want to feel like this but like you know I hope you will come and I hope you will be there and there's nothing more important to me I don't I don't feel flippantly about not being with you like this is a really hard decision for me to come to this is a real picture of also just how we're all built so different because I think a lot of people at 42 would really like my life that it is in LA or wherever it may be where you're married you cook dinner every night you kind of chill like things are happy and easy and it is enough for me it's not that but it's just like I want more like I'm not done with my career I want to do so much more and so that's like a large part of it I think a lot of people want to slow down at this age and fucking chill and they should of course we'll talk about it today I just think that you and I aren't aren't there and I do think we miss out on media opportunities sometimes just because everything's just more accessible to us in New York and I had the most perfect day yesterday like Melanie was telling me we woke up in the morning it was beautiful it was sunny it was 75 degrees and walked to a coffee shop we walked a great way we walked along the beach I got in my car ran errands and like my life was really easy because the weather was nice I could take my car to do it and then we like walked around we saw Margot Robbie we had like a great like late lunch you know I felt healthy and good and the waiters were nice to me and the food was good and it was easy to get into places and I will miss all of those like I can't think about being in New York in February and
thinking about what life would be like here. It's really hard to think about. Like, I don't wanna do that, you know? And like, I don't wanna come across, like, I've unlimited funds and we can just be bought back and forth. And Shishank has a different type of job because they have that kind of flexibility. Like, people like be my coastal, you know? And like, my dream life is to live in LA January through April. I don't really know what it's gonna be like to be there in the middle of winter with a partner and a small and a dog in a smaller space. This past winter was hell on earth in the Northeast. - Yeah, that's pretty bad. - And like, we will have to navigate that. All of us as a family. 'Cause it's really the thought of it like sends a chill down my spine. - I mean, that's the nice thing that you and I have not and will not, I'm sure. I don't think I will at this point have children. And you know, we are a little more flexible and fluid and if we decide that we wanna go be in LA for a little bit in the winter, then we can decide that. Like, that is the nice thing about not having kids. I don't have to think about somebody. I can be as selfish as I want. - Yeah, and it's so much less expensive to visit LA than New York. Like, it all comes out in the wash 'cause you're paying more to live in New York but you're paying less to visit LA where LA, if you really wanna be going back and forth, you're paying less to live here. That depends on what you got going on. And then paying more to visit New York. I mean, New York is really difficult to visit. Like, if the Airbnb's don't even understand if they're legal or not, whatever, a few and far between, that's not really an option. Hotels are so astronomical, they're just getting worse. Like, it's really difficult to go there and the hotel rooms are small. At that, you know, LA, you really can come out here and spend a week or a month in an Airbnb at like a rate that you could never even dream of in New York. And so, that's played into it too. Of like, it is, this is the cheaper place to visit. And if we have a tour to spend a winter here or whatever it may be. But, you know, I wanna be like aware of like, I don't wanna come across like, I just can jets it around and it's just, I'm just talking through it and like, the way I want my life to look. And, you know, we have been able to build a life where we have flexibility in that way. - Yeah. So, I'm really excited. I was hoping that you would say that you wanna move and I've been like, very hands off with you about it. And I've never wanted to pressure you in making a decision. I like, I honor the fact that you have another person to think about also. It's not just like me and us in our business. And so, I've just been like, whatever you decide, we will figure it out for the business. And I feel really excited for this next chapter. And like, I hope you're gonna come. And I'm just excited to be back in New York. I wanna do comedy in New York. I just wanna like run around and do more. And I just, I feel really at home there. I'm excited to go back. And I don't know, I never thought that like, I would change my mind again in three and a half years and go move all these across country moves. Like, it's exhausting. It's a lot. I'll figure out what to do with my house. But I am really excited and hopeful. And I hope you guys come. - I just feel so funny. The way you say it, I hope you guys come. - Well, you and I like to change our minds. - Yeah, so, we'll see. (laughs) - I don't know. I mean, it's really the weather thinking about the winner and like, how much more difficult some things are is it's stressing me out. So we will figure it out. - So I hold space and are technically for you to change your mind. And I like to change our mind. - But I don't think, I really feel like this past weekend, I just had this like epiphany of. - That's so interesting. - I thought you were gonna say the opposite that you were like, I had such a beautiful weekend and I could never possibly leave this. - Yeah, that's weird. How that works, you know. I think that's part of it. It's like to have that beautiful of a weekend, truly all the things. Like Saturday was like out of a movie. When we start every Saturday with our farmer's market, I will like miss that. I'll probably wake up every Saturday morning and cry. We'll move back to Newark. Truly, I will do it. No, we'll go to the one in Brooklyn. But just like to have that kind of weekend and still feel like it's not fulfilling and it's not like stimulating. Like I do have to tell myself, like in three and a half years, we've done a lot. We've soaked up a lot of the beauty and I don't need to go to the beach like I used to. I should be staying out of the sun with my skin at this age. You know, we all should be, you know, we're in sunscreen doing all the things. So it's like, I'm trying to do the most that I can and I, we've talked about if when we move back, we will do a road trip up to San Francisco and come back down and do Carmel by the Sea and Big Sur and like really check that box and just knowing that like we can always come back here. And the beauty of LA is that like all of our friends have spare bedrooms. Like I will come back and like stay with Taylor. Like because it's just like that's the luxury that you have in LA as opposed to when all the friends in New York that like stay in my spare bedroom. Oh, I can't wait for no one to stay with me ever again. Oh, so true, I didn't. When we moved here, I always said, I didn't know anyone who moved from New York to LA and went back. I was like, it doesn't happen because your quality of life improves so drastically, you can never go back and then it started to fucking happen. We have so many friends moving back there, it's insane. I can't and like back or there to begin with or like it's wild. Like yes, some people who have lived there prior in Amy Chan, for an example, and then other people. Can't understand. Yeah, Caitlin Bristow just moved there. Right. We have so many girlfriends that are moving there. Yeah. So I just like can't deny anymore that like what fills my cup as a true extrovert and a true like social boss babe is my needs to be there. I knew you would come around with me. I just, I knew you would like run around so much and be like, I'm back. We are really different people when we're there. I mean, I just, I love taking my walk at the end of the day here. I go to the beach like three times a week. I love walkering out of Kenny. I love going to Erwan. Oh fucking, lose my mind. The first day I wake up hungry and I can't go to Erwan. I, we went to Erwan twice. I've been to Erwan two times a day the last three days. Like I, there's a lot that I love about this slow life, but I am bored to fucking tears. I can't do it anymore. I always hesitate to use the word board. I'm bored. I always say only boring people get bored 'cause you can always be doing something. You can read. I've done all the things. But like, I feel unstimulated as the word I've been using 'cause like I'll dabble with bored, but I really, you know, I'm so strong on this. Like, you're not bored, read a book, you know? But I read 35 books last year. It was a cry for help, Ashley. I've watched every show. I've taken every two. You remember me last summer? Do you have any tripside books last summer? I was going to Kalami goes ranch and Ohai, it's Santa Barbara and then I went down to Catalina and you were like, are you good? Yeah. I'm not, I've done all the things. I got nothing left. But you, we're saying like you probably wouldn't have gotten to this point where you wrote this comedy and never. I don't know. I really know, if I could go back, I just think you wouldn't have done it. I just think, I don't know if you ever would have gotten this urge to just start doing comedy in New York, like I think you would have been stimulated enough with other stuff, like you really had to hit this point of like what am I doing, what's next? And I think that was the best thing to come out of it of like the darker days of you living here. Like, you know, we didn't feel like this in 2023 or really even 2024. We felt like we had a lot going on. We had a lot of friends and for you, you know, it was like the busiest year of my life in 2025 and you felt like you didn't have as much going on and that's what was the catalyst for the, for doing standup. Yeah, and I think you should be grateful for things that made you happy. I'm very grateful for my time here. And yes, I never would have been bored enough. But I just, I wouldn't have had the time in New York to do this, I wouldn't have thought to do it. I would have like drank it out or fucked it out or whatever. I would have just done a lot more running around. I wouldn't have been like, okay, I have three days to be totally alone and I can write. And I can practice this and I can plan this and travel and tour like, we didn't really even go on this winter. So I was like, great, I'll spend four months going all these cities and it's, I mean, besides girls it's the greatest accomplishment of my life to wake up at 40 and decide that you're gonna like tackle this thing all on your own. And like, I have never in eight and a half years said like, me, mine, my thing, my travel. Like, I've had nothing that's just specifically mine. And I love doing stuff together, but professionally, I think I should have their own. - Yeah. And I have been fine existing like that. I feel like I've never understood how you did so much. Like, we ran the sex trade company and we were on tour. We do girls get eight, twice a week. I've never had the real desire to like, go do another job. I've never understood how you did it. But to finally, for the first time in like, almost a decade to be able to say like, my thing, my tour, my schedule, like, it's been really fulfilling and gratifying and I never would have had the impetus to do that. So. - Yeah, this is good things that came from it. - Okay. That's what we're doing. So, you know, you guys are interested in like the minutia and the logistics, like, we're shutting this studio down over the next few weeks as we figure out the rain has moved. And so, take it, take it in. There will be a few more episodes here. And, you know, I think it's fun to see where we're going to be over the next couple months. Like, it's different set and when it's virtual, it will look and sound best as possible. We're going to make sure we improve everything that we can. And it's just, there's really not going to be any change on the podcast, right? I think it's funny that people are like, what's going to happen to the podcast? Like, what do you mean? We're apart for three months in 2020. We know what we're doing. - With way less tech. - Yeah, with way less good stuff. - Exactly. It's not that I'm not really excited for you to move there. I just have never wanted to put pressure on you. - Yeah. - And I've never wanted you to feel like, I am going to guilt you and another person into that decision. - Yeah, I mean, again, this is new for me too, I have to consider Shashank's life. You know, another person's life. Like, you and I have always been on the same page. Like, we haven't really had to negotiate or compromise. I was the one to lead the charge in LA and then you were, like, fully on board. And so, it's not that Shashank doesn't want to leave here, but he really likes to hear too. And he was very unsure about that at first. Like, I think he moved here in 2025, January and January.
And it was just like, I don't know. And it's really grown on him. And he is a great quality of life too. And we're really happy here. But I think we both have known that our hearts are always on these coasts. He's the East Coast guy. We're East Coast guys. Yeah. And I just think it's how excited I am to like hop-- I can go visit my brother in London. Like I can take a weekend trip to London if I have to. And like, I miss that baby so much. And I just like, to be 13-hour flight away from them, it just sucks. I know. I mean, we'll talk today about like things that really bring you joy and that are valuable to you and the most important things in your life. And my nephews are at the top of the list. And they're just growing up before my eyes. And I really want to see them every month, if not more. And I can't do that currently. I can, but it's just like it's been not as feasible. So I really am looking forward to that. Because that's what really like-- that's the happiest I am. Like, we were in the middle of a conversation earlier and they FaceTime me. I was like, I got to answer. It's like a drug. It's like they really like keep me going. They, my darkest of days, like when they FaceTime me, I'm just immediately happy. I know, for the best. So I love them. OK. Well, that's the tea you guys. So stay tuned. I'm going to just drop the seventh. My lease starts next week. So oh my god, that's so crazy. Wow. OK. All right, well, speaking of family and being away from family, I don't live in the same city as my father. So father's day is coming up. It's important to me to get him something. That is very beautiful and sentimental. And I'm going to recommend something for you guys. We have gotten for our whole family, which is our frame. So there are these digital photo frames. My brother and sister-in-law have to get to them to the whole family. And you can upload photos virtually. There's an app that we all share together. 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But we are that age where the dads were in our 40s. Is there 40s that crazy? But they were so old back then. I know. Like you picture this like balding old dad buying a bright red convertible and like leaving his wife. That's us. That's crazy. But this has gotten like very hot recently. I mean, I've seen everybody write about it at the cut and NPR and Vox, the millennial midlife crisis. I mean, you guys are there. And we'll kind of dive into these articles a little bit. But I think a lot of people as they get to the get around 40 or late 30s or just kind of saying to themselves, you know, is this it? The job I chose, the partner I chose, the city I chose, you know, is this what I planned for? You know, I had these plans to be whether it's a bother or I had a certain amount of money I thought I'd be making your career success and did I reach it? It's like, you know, it's when you're just clocking. Like, did I hit the goals I wanted to hit? And like, is this what it looks like forever? And we asked you guys and you had like a ton of feelings and I, you know, we just want to validate this sort of, everybody's in the same bucket in terms of like, this is evaluation time. And am I where I want to be? Yeah, and every generation has its pitfalls and I think that millennials and younger Gen X kind of fall into zillennials to fall into the same bucket. And then you have, you know, boomers who want to be like, well, when I was, no, no, no, no, you know, like they had their crisis too and, you know, people especially before that who grew up in the great depression and all the, there was these recessions and all of these things. And then you have Gen Z, who I feel former than anyone, because of the way that they've grown up. Like, they haven't even really experienced the, like, world we experienced in the early 2010s where it felt like hustling and money and people were doing well not made necessarily. I was broke as fuck in 2010. But, you know, like, they haven't even gotten to experience that. And then COVID affecting their high school and their college and all these things. And like, they're the school shooting area. You know, like, they really grew up differently and I feel for them more than anyone. But we're going to kind of approach this as like the generation that we are and what we can speak on it when our peers are experiencing. And we've really discussed this in depth of like, how of the tone of this episode. Because the state of the world is just really bleak. And we want to not address like the elephant in the room of like, what's happening in like our world and our economy and AI and the workforce and the women being pushed out of the workforce and the rampant misogyny and lack of equality. But we don't want to be so doomsday and we want to just validate what a lot of people are experiencing and we want to keep it light and fun with how people are handling their midlife crisis too. Or rather, she's been back to New York. - It's like, yeah, I'm just having fun with it. - Ready to start a stand-up comedy. - This is my Ferrari at 40. - Ready to start a stand-up comedy at 40 with a real crack for help. (laughing) - I got married. - That was my time. - Can you imagine, well, no, but there's a few factors. There's really this lack of stability, you know, being priced out of these traditional milestones, like owning a home or having a family, whether you're priced out or not, whether you are with a partner or whether you can't afford a home. Like, the American dream is, I don't want to say non-existent, But it is really hard to achieve.
Like we have this growing wealth disparity, like the middle class and like being able to just have like a Decent salary and be able to afford a home and Two kids and in-state tuition to college is gone and there are a lot of resources for this too Of course we have Mrs. Dow Jones on recently and Torrey Dunlap and when you want to talk like the money side of it But there's this like crisis to find our footing and We were brought up in this like hustle culture conditions the work hard had down and you will Thrive and now we've AI taking all these jobs and millennials are also in this They call it the sandwich generation or the caregiving squeeze where you're taking care of both aging parents and young children Sometimes simultaneously. We're dealing we're facing our own mortality our parents are aging Again raising young children a lot of millennials had children older You know, it's not like 27-year-olds as much with young children and they have a while Ahead of them to care for their aging parents. Yeah, we don't want to be so bleak But you know, we just want to validate the cost of living has exploded and the The rate of salaries has not and so this is harder and harder and I pulled this quote from an article in the cut recently called midlife Crisising in the end times and it said we put our heads down Gakka grades went to college pursued our passions and then went everything crashed around us We pivoted we went back to school for something more practical kept at it yet time and time again We've been locked out of basic capitalist promises like job security home ownership and any kind of Comfortable retirement plan and I don't know if previous generations have felt like this and you know times change and politics change and money changes and we have to like Bend with the times and move and be flexible But I think a lot of people are feeling scared with AI and with job security and I mean I just can't say it enough that you're just you're among a lot of other people that feel like this I think some people are looking around saying like my life didn't turn out the way I wanted it too necessarily But a lot of people are feeling this yeah, and again I'm just gonna like say my piece and we'll move on from the political aspect of it all but like I know we all know If we would have had a different outcome in 2016 we wouldn't be sitting here feeling like this women Especially, I just want to speak to women like we had the drastic and I'm not saying there weren't problems in this country before 2016 with capitalism problems all this stuff I feel like the greed and the oligarchs were like rained in more than they are now and they're running rampant And like we've never seen corporate greed like this and we just experience someone coming to power with the worst of intentions Like I feel like when these corporations realize they could go full-send on like taking advantage of people And it's like the wealth disparities in saying I feel like we're watching people get richer and richer and richer and poorer and poorer and poorer and Also just women getting pushed out of workforce and like the massaging in this administration like it became mainstream Like there's this article in the Atlantic and I'm just gonna reference it and then we can again stop stop with the bleak outlook But like it's by Helen Lewis It says the men who want women to be quiet and it says a virulent form of misogyny has become the single most important force holding together The American right and I just can't help but think that like prior to 2016 that type of misogyny was in cell shit Now those people are influencers. It's mainstream like where we are is women because of Donald Trump and his administration and like we had a break-in between where Joe Biden was trying to fix the fucking Shit sandwich of a pandemic like let's not forget the pandemic a lot of women got pushed out workforce too and disproportionately women of color like It's just so fucked and I just want to validate that like I we are really fortunate and I don't want to not acknowledge that But like we worry too nothing's guaranteed. We don't have fuck you money forever You know like we're doing great now. I think we made some smart choices But like I really worry about the future and I have a really sit down and I think about my nephews I want to cry and I really truly believe that the pendulum is gonna swing and I really feel like we're all fed up And we need to use our collective voice to fight back against this and I really think we're gonna have a brighter future But it is bleak right now and I just want to acknowledge how hard it is sometimes to have hope and one of these articles I read it like having hope is so millennial And like I don't know that's not an insult to us like I think we still have that Hope that things will go the other way. Well, I mean what's the what's the other exactly? Yeah, what's that there's solution and yeah You know, I was surprised I didn't know the tone of this article because we posted it at our tour audience like what is your Millennial midlife crisis look like and so many people just echoed different deficits in their life and how they thought their life would turn out and you know I think that's so much of at least the people in our lives I see that like we know a lot of women that talk about having kids, you know We've we've so many girlfriends that are turning 40 that like not they'd be mothers. Yeah today and You know, they didn't think that they'd still be single at 40 I wouldn't have children and I'm amazed at the women in our life that have decided to find joy in other ways I mean we just have so many girlfriends that have like started apps and new businesses and travel around the world and spend more time with their parents and new hobbies and interests and I think it could be both I think you can more in the life that you didn't get to have that is some people's greatest dream in the entire world And I hope all of our girlfriends get to have that someday But in the meantime like the women in our life have chosen joy and adventure and I'm I'm proud to like be their friend and I'm I don't know what it feels like to want this thing so badly and to never have it and there's no substitute for it either But I'm amazed at the women that we know that at least chosen to find And find joy. Yeah, I know I tried lightly here because of what I don't want to do is pity my friends And like who are just like really amazing women who I look up to and I don't but I I feel for them so deeply women of A certain age that really wanted to be a mother and we know women having kids on their own by the way of course And that's always an option. I mean depending on your health But whether you can carry them or not. I mean you have so many different options But a lot of women are like why don't want that? I want to have a partner and a family and I don't have that and I think that Like you said they have like found happiness and They all should be proud of themselves and what it's a perfect life anyway It's an illusion what bell burden is the perfect example of that That's I think why people love strangers so much the book the recent like best seller we've talked about is like That was a perfect life that was wealth and a loving marriage and kids and Vacation homes and like look what happens like no one's life is is perfect and I Talk to a friend recently and she is someone who is 42 She might and wanted to be a mother and wanted to have a family She really doesn't want to have a child on her own and she is caring for aging parents She just had a loss in her family She was in a job that robbed her of all her like joy for years and she finally left and she's just been like traveling She you know was able to save up money and she went to her 20-year reunion recently and she I think felt some type of way of like So many of these women have families now and they have the kids in the quote-unquote perfect life and People were so jealous of the life she's living like of the travel she's doing and the meal she's having and the way she's living her life And it's all relative we talked about it with Tunday of her being like I wanted to have my friend's life Who was in COVID with her family and having picnics and with all these people and her friends like I would die to go to the bathroom alone You know like we have to remember those things and it's just like so important to find what really does make you happy and bring As you join like the really valuable things in life like when I think about the things that like I haven't achieved or I haven't gotten Or I want that other people have I'm just like I have to remember what's so important and it's like Family and friendship and connection and relationships in my nephews and like Touching grass, you know people are just like we say that in this joking way, but it's like really important to like Get outside and touch grass. I think it's important to like acknowledgers. No perfect life. There's no finish line The post is always moving. Yeah, and I think you know women our age were brought up to like find the husband have the children And also have the career, but like what happens once you get all of that like life is you have 50 more years to live right You know, and yeah, I think about how many people I know that had these perfect lives that it was taken away from them in their early 40s My my my parents had a great marriage. They did this in this Jewish community and lots of family and friends big family humongous house and By all intents and birth great marriage to children all the money they could ever want It fell apart in my in their early 40s and their life didn't go the way they thought it would and they found another way to be happy And they found a new dream and they you know my parents were able to co-parent really well together I would choose that over living in a house with two parents. Yeah, yeah You know, I think that there is no finish line and things could fall apart tomorrow And we all have to find ways to find joy outside of that one goal that we think we have to reach Yeah, and you know if it's a partner you can find the love of your life. It's 60 I mean, it's never too late like you said like I really think if you really Again, like look for those things that bring you joy and happiness in your life and focus on them and work on yourself Like I just think you'll find it. I mean, I'm not saying you'll get rich and famous But you'll I think you'll find your happiness But again, it's like I can't talk about this stuff sometimes it feels crazy to talk about the stuff with the state of the world So I just want to acknowledge that like when I'm saying this shit it some of it feels not inauthentic But like I can't believe what's happening outside our door and we're just like be happy You know, I just want to acknowledge it. It feels a little weird to me. Yeah, it sucks. I mean There's no easy answer to any of this. I mean our audience we always say this time I mean you guys share so much with us. We can't believe what you guys share with us and so many people said I don't nobody money. I don't have the money. I thought that I would have and I don't have the career I thought I would have or the partner or the children and there's no easy Wrap it up in a bow answer to any of this. I don't have an answer to any of this It's important to acknowledge that other people feel like this. Yeah, and I mean again like no one wants to hear everything happens for
But you hear over and over in my life and your life in friends' lives, a real rock bottom right now. And I think she's starting to come around to like this all had to happen for the next phase of my life. And if you are really at the rock bottom, you really feel like you have nothing to lose. No better time to pivot. Fuck it. No responsibility. Just fuck it. What do you want to do? Just try it. Just throw it against the wall. And that's easier said than done for some people who may be like more risk averse. But I have a friend too that's again, 40s, thought she'd be married with kids by now. She moved back in with her mom. And she's saving up because she's going to move to a different place. But I am like, you know, she tells me about her life with her mom and I like, I could cry. It's so beautiful. Like, what else would you have had this time with your mom or your parents? Like, move back in with your friends if you got a cut cost. Like, there's no answer and there's no path anymore and there's no perfect life. Like, the beauty of this is that you do not have to give a shit about societal and cultural norms. They're just out the window. And they just don't really exist anymore. So don't let people lie to you that they do. It's projecting. I think so many people said like, I'm not in the same phase of life as my friends. I woke up. I don't really have friends. I can hang out with any more. Move to New York. You know, great place to make friends. I just, I really feel people are like, I just a day to day, I don't have like the community I want around me and I'm not dating the way I want to. And I'm not, it's certainly not easy to move to another state. This is a whole pain in my ass and I'm a very high functioning person and I have nobody else financially to take care of besides me. So I'm in the best position of anybody to move across the country and it's still going to be a nightmare. So it's not like, just move. But I don't know if that's what you're really feeling, I want to take a swing at that. Do what we did. Go live somewhere for three weeks. How long do we live for three months? Oh, yeah, we locked into three months and we just stayed for three years. But yeah, do whatever makes you happy. I mean, again, like we would like to really break down this like quote unquote rejection of girlboss culture and I get almost like a overcorrection and tradwifery that you would say. And I said to Ray this morning, like, I just, I started making all these notes. I was like, it's a different conversation and it's heavy and I want someone smarter than us to come and talk to us about it. I mean, I have my own thoughts, of course, but you know, if you feel like you were promised all this shit and now your job's being replaced, like, you should be mad. That sucks. Like, it sucks. You want to leave the corporate world and become a spiritual life coach, fucking do it. Like, do what makes you happy because I just want to validate it. And I really hope things change and I really, really believe that they will. But again, it's like, we have an administration doesn't care if we have health care or that we have social security. Like, we are not what our parents have in even terms of social security and retirement. And there's a lot of resources out there of like, what to do with your money and we've had those guests on as well. But like, I think people are looking down that road too and it's like, we have to just hope that things will change and like, do your part of whatever that may be in your community to try to make that happen. It's tough. We were really raised in the girl-brost generation that you said, like, work really hard girls because God forbid a man leaves you and you have to pay for your own stuff and go out and like, be really successful on your own. But we should have been able to. And we did. Right. But such just like the, it mean fucking Bernie Sanders would have won in 2016 when we had this fucking conversation. Even Hillary. But you know what? That's neither here nor there. We'll deep dive into it later today. But it's just changed a lot of like, the world has changed so drastically. And I really just, I feel for people who really had that dream of a family, not even wealthy, just normal. Just pay my bills, feel comfortable. Yes. Yes. But I think a lot of people reach this age and our listeners sort of echo this that, you know, I'm constantly comparing myself to everyone else's milestones and success. And what am I going to do next with my career or my marriage? And I think so many people just ask themselves these questions and it's tough with AI today. I think a lot of people are feeling like, you know, I learned all these skills and my skills are obsolete. And we want to validate it. It's not just as easy as like, find your hobbies. You know. You don't feel like that. And again, I cannot stress to you guys enough that I could like talk about this for hours and we will deep dive and talk about this because that was the article that really if you guys want to read it. It is the revolt against the girl bosses has finally come and that is in the New York times. But I don't think we need to be blaming the women who told us to like get our bag and lean in. You want to explain? But it's this is more about the day I have it all. And like I thought the title was a little misleading once I got into it. I was like, Oh, this is echoing the way a lot of people feel and how they're validated and feeling. I think that the people that told us to be go out and be girl bosses really well-intentioned. My mom said that to me when I was growing up, if you don't end up with a man that supports you, what are you going to do? Go make your own money. Start your own business. Be proud of what you've done. And I think you and I were raised by a generation of women that didn't necessarily get raised to think that way. Yeah. And so they did their best to make us strong, hard working women. And you know, the answer was never no. When I worked at like Amazon and Groupon, like I stayed super late. I worked on weekends. I worked nights. I mean, I just never. There's a work life balance. I've never heard that my entire fucking life that you could lean out. You could unsubscribe from hustle culture that like you should protect your peace. I would have been laughed out of the fucking building. You're right. And that's who raised me. Unless it made me work really hard. And I am who I am. And that's what works for me. We are moving back to New York because I do subscribe to hustle culture. Yeah. But if you've chosen to lean out and you're like, that's my best life, do that. Well, right. Because I think a lot of people are realizing like, I tried that and fuck that. And all I did was like, make money for some big greedy corporation that now I'm getting pushed out of the workforce for what? And that's valid too. We'll do another comment. Unless you guys think this is too late. Let us know in the comments. But if you wanted to deep dive in the other stuff, we'll definitely do that. It's just, it's a shit time to be an American. And I think, you know, just, we can't just walk around being angry all the time. You know, I think the community is so important in doing what you can. And I do really think there's going to be a change and you've got to do it. What makes you happy? And I think that's what we asked about what's your midlife crisis. I saw this reel that said, pick your midlife crisis. And it was like a bunch of different things like sourdough, gardening, bird watching, ma-jong. Ma-jong? Ma-jong. Ma-jong. Yeah. Okay. These are really niche hobby. I mean, book clubs, multiple book clubs, Padel and Pickleball. I think this is like COVID time. People are like, I will do anything to find joy. I think that's how it feels sometimes. It feels like I sometimes I'm like, Ashley, what are you doing next? I'm like, put my comedy special like, what are you doing next? I'm like, who fucking cares? Like, the world is ending. Like, I have a, depending on the day, a really apocalyptic view. And that is why I am more sober curious, because that's why I used to stop watching the news like, ma-jong. So you guys, turn off the news and stop drinking. No, sober curious came up a lot. And that's a thing that a lot of people dabble in as they age. And it's just interesting, because we're the blackout generation. Like, I love this for us. I love that, like, all I used to do is be like, hold on, we can't go out yet, I'm not blacked out. Like, I would drink in the shower, because God forbid, right now, stop, because God, I took a minute out. God would drink. What a rush. A shower drink. A shower beer shaving your legs in the shower. It was always a beer. I guess I would. A shower beer. Like, a Mickey's eyes 40 in the shower. We can't have an open cup, but you can't have like a cocktail in the shower. Oh, or a minute, you could, you know, in LA houses, you can. But a lot of people are sober curious. And a lot of people are going harder on drinking and marble are reds. And smoking is back. And, you know what? Live your truth forever. It never went away from it. We're all going to die. So do it. Matters. So do it. So we should get some marble lights. I actually have not spoken to cigarette like weeks. Someone to remember a reds, which is what I can't recommend. So if you other things, I mean, fostering dogs, listen, I can't recommend it enough. Like, that really, if you're into dogs, like, that is so special and like, brings you joy. And I just got Isabelle Cleese book about her foster dog journey. And I think that's like a really beautiful thing to do. People are saying adrenaline junkie like, I love when people pick up, listen, that's a lot of people's retirement plan. Die sooner. I saw it in the comments. KMS. I love when people pick that up. Like, my dad picked up skiing late and he's always been adrenaline junkie. But once he realized he couldn't race cars anymore, he picked up skiing. Like, I love a late in life skier. Tons of people said they became wellness girlies. I mean, listen, we're getting older. From now to time, I'm going to get back into my peloton. I was going to sell it, but I'm going to bring it to New York. I mean, two days fired me, and I remember how much I love it. And it's important to me to think about bone density and osteoporosis and pain of it. Every time we were in Dr. Barrett's Rainier, are you just trying to train? Or are you into Lies to his face? I'm just sitting there like this is my tea. But a lot of people lean into wellness, I mean, I have and just the smallest dumbest things like replacing my plastic water bottles of glass ones, just like little things to just like feel better to stuff I put in my body on my body better. I was seeing a lot of running, and running is good when you're angry for sure. Like, I just think like fitness and generally like sweating that shit out. I am in debarries now, I mentioned it before, I do it every week, and I credit a lot with like the supplements I've been taking and I posted these recent, I should make a highlight of my wellness stuff. But like, my body feels better than ever. Like, when I was doing berries when I first moved to New York, like in my early 30s, it was like a struggle. I would dread it. I wouldn't really be able to do the class. I'm breathing through these classes. And it's so funny because I have the strength and stamina, but my body is still 42. So I did pull a muscle last week because I really feel like I be going so hard and my body is like, bitch, you thought. Reena started sprinting. It pulled something to me. I'm still dealing with this. Yeah. I like pulled my gluteus medius. Is that a thing? Yes. And so it's just funny because I'm like, I have the strength and stamina, but like, my body is so bright anyway running and buries is mine and I just
because I really think that is so important. Like, something that makes you feel strong and good, and again, a fitness is something that works for your mental health as well. Like, again, I saw a few responses of this, of like, I'm picking back up running. Like, maybe you ran in your 20s or 30s and you're in your 40s now, you're like, oh, dabble. Just be careful out there. You guys stretch and protect your knees. - Getting to stand up comedy. - Yeah, buy a house, buy a horse. I saw buy a horse. (laughing) - I don't work in my buy a house. - Don't do that. A lot of core fitness, rewatching off campus, getting really into F1, becoming a Disney adult, whatever floats your boat. Wherever you can find joy. Honestly, I will make fun of it. But gardening, finding the will to live, crocheting, and knitting. - A lot of that. - A lot of majong. - Hansa majong. - Did you go in that lady's house? My brother's neighbor, did you remember you guys stayed there? - But were you there on her majong day? - She said it was a table, didn't it? - It was like, yes. - My brother's neighbor, this one time Reina and Louise is stayed with her. - Of course. - Because we didn't have enough place for people to stay during our beach. - Or in our beach. - That was hilarious. I didn't even know these people. - And Millenium and Life Crisis, stay in a stranger's house. - But remember, Louise would just be over there chatting. - Yes, Louise, I mean, she's unstoppable. - But that, she set up majong Mondays, and there was tables all over the house. I'm like, this is so fun. Can I tell you what I think when we move back to Newark? I saw this in Lena Dunham's book, and she's talking about Jenny Conner, her best friend, turned friend about her. - Co-producer. - Co-producer. - And she was saying she, every Sunday, would just have a bunch of wine and food, and people would come in and out. And that's my dream to have a standing date. I am volunteering in your house, just so you know. - Oh, okay. Well, I'm not gonna give you the address, so. Don't you think this would be so fun? - Yeah, so what else is house? - I can't do it. - Yes, you can. - I don't think people are gonna wanna come over to Brooklyn. - I just think you're gonna have this space. - Yeah, I don't want to. - Reina, you don't wanna have a standing Sunday come by? - No. - I can't wait to move into a smaller space and never have anybody come over. - People aren't saying the night! - Ever again. - You love to host! - Not anymore. - I just, you know, I'm gonna lean out. I just, I don't think I've really loved it that much recently. I'm just, why are you host? - We would. I just don't think the location is optimal. But I guess we do have a lot of friends in Brooklyn. - You have a lot of friends. - Like all those green point. - Yeah. - Okay, we're gonna do it then. - Hell yeah. - Every Sunday, come on over. - Okay, great. - Okay, great, it's settled. - I got out of it. - You're gonna love this idea. - I have an insane rooftop also. - Not that no one's really invited to. You know, Jeremy a lot is building. Great for, I'll volunteer their place. - But I just love this. Like, if you have a community, I think these things really fill your cup. If you have a community, every Sunday, you know, we got the wine and the snacks, everybody bring in appetizers. It would be every week. People have lives and busy and kids and all that stuff. But like, I just like the thought of something to look forward to in your week. Like, again, I have a lot less going on here. But like, Taylor and I having that standing date at berries every week and then we go have wine or coffee after. Like, I really look forward to it. So I think those things keep you going. It's like a thing to look forward to with your friend. Even if it's just a lunch or a coffee, like, why not put that in your schedule? - Well, you described also, it feels more Brooklyn. - It's like a community of people. Manhattan, we're not a community of people. Brooklyn, community of people. You see the same people walking their dogs out. - I already said we would do it. You don't have to keep trying to convince me. - Let's say you're gonna back out of something. And I'm just, well, 'cause Shashank loves to cook. - Exactly. - Kitchen sink app. - Exactly. - Check it out, you guys. - Again, we just wanted to do this and validate how everyone is feeling. And like, if you are like, I feel scared about the future and like, what's in my bank account? Like, so many other people feel that way. And we try to give as many resources as we can on this podcast. But we or anyone else doesn't have like the magic answer. But I just think it's important to like, validate how people are feeling and like, encouraging you to like, find the joy in the community and the things that fill you up where you can. And I just hope like the, again, the pendulum's gonna swing the other way. And you know, it's not the same. I think things are really dark right now. But one of the quotes I pulled from one of these articles was most of the cohort like these millennials entered the workforce in around or following the financial collapse of 2008. Only to be hit again by COVID 2020 recession and now join the ranks of the middle aged in whatever kind of economy we're facing in 2025, this article is from 2025. And so it's like, we've been through some of this, you know, our parents or our grandparents have been through some of this and have come out on the other side. And I know sometimes it can feel hard to think that's gonna happen just because the odds are so stacked against us. And like these corporate greed is so, and this oligarchy is so out of control. But like, we just obviously have to believe that it will change because we are fed up and everybody is fed up. - You and I were probably in jail for speaking out against the purer in the next group. - Yeah. - I've been here for most about this on this topic. Thank you for your attention this matter. But, you know, I think that every generation has had their millennial midlife crisis. And I think that everybody hits an age where they think my life didn't go where I wanted it to go, career wise, money wise, friendship wise, spouse wise, children wise. And life is really long. It's constantly changing. And, you know, you can always pivot and try something different. I'm not saying it's easy. I'm not saying like, just make more money. You're just finding a new career. But life is really long. And just because you look around and other people seem to have achieved these milestones that you want to ballet. What's up always comes down, you know? But the good news is what's down will go back up also. And if you're feeling really unhappy, like life goes on and it's long and you can pivot and hopefully find community. And I think that every generation has felt like this at some point. And it's important to just find people to validate that and to find fun and joy in life and play mahjong or birdwatch or get into a book club. - Fucking backpack in your 40s. I don't know. You can still travel on the cheap. It might not be the standards you may be used to at this age, but you can always put on a backpack and go stay in a hostel and see the world. - Not you, but I'm saying like, if you really feel like this is eight, like I said, like real rock bottom, there's only way to go is up and just fuck it. Literally fuck it. - Fuck it. - I mean, I love that Kelty Knight is coming out with this fuck them theory as kind of an antidote to the let them theory. - Just fuck it. That's the energy now. I mean, that's kind of the beauty of where we're at in this climate. 'Cause we really didn't feel that energy when we were in the girl boss world. You couldn't just say fuck it. You really did like, boss it out. - First I can remember this. 'Cause you know, we used to say fuck more cryless. Somebody roasted me like less fucks. - I'm not. - I'm not gonna cut this. - Less fucks was a part of it. - Okay. - We'll go. - Fuck more less fucks. - Okay. Cry more less fuck. We're all cry more just so you guys know. - I really don't know. - All right, it's too late for you. It's 5'11" at this point. You guys have so. - So, Marina is she's. - That's gonna pack my whole house. - Sun down for her. - Yeah. - All right, well thank you guys for being here as always. If you're still around to the end and you can find this, here we go. I always lose it at the end too. Girls gotta eat.com. But again, nothing's really going on over there, but it's always there for your pleasure. - Yeah, episodes are there, the partners. - Yeah. Girls gotta eat podcast on Instagram and TikTok. I am Ash Hess on Instagram and TikTok. Raina is Raina.Greenberg. Raina Greenberg.com for her fall tour tickets, full video on Spotify and YouTube. We would love if you would leave a comment on Spotify, subscribe on YouTube, share this episode with a millennial friend who may need it or really anyone. And we will see you Thursday. - Have a good week guys. - Bye. (upbeat music) (upbeat music)
Podcast Summary
Key Points:
The host is moving back to New York after three and a half years in Los Angeles, citing a desire for a more stimulating, socially active lifestyle and proximity to her family and friends on the East Coast.
While deeply nostalgic about LA—its beauty, ease of life, and community—the move is driven by a need for greater social engagement, personal growth, and fulfillment in a city that better aligns with her extroverted, high-energy lifestyle.
The podcast will continue with minimal disruption, maintaining its core identity whether in-person or virtual, and both hosts emphasize mutual respect, flexibility, and the shared understanding that their lives have evolved beyond a single location.
Summary:
The host announces her decision to move back to New York, marking a significant shift after three and a half years in Los Angeles. While she deeply values LA’s lifestyle—its natural beauty, relaxed pace, and community—she finds her current life in the city lacks the social stimulation and connection she craves. As an extroverted, active person, she feels more energized and fulfilled in New York, where she can engage with a vibrant community, travel frequently, and maintain close ties with her extended family, especially her nephews, who are a primary source of emotional joy.
She emphasizes that the move is not a rejection of LA but a conscious evolution of her life goals, driven by a desire for balance, personal growth, and meaningful social interaction. The podcast remains a central priority, with plans to adapt its format (in-person or virtual) without major disruption. Both hosts stress mutual understanding, respect, and shared values—recognizing that while their lives have changed, their partnership remains strong.
Shashank, who is also drawn to New York’s energy and culture, shares a similar vision, though he values the quiet comfort of LA. Ultimately, the decision is framed as a personal and mature choice, rooted in authenticity, emotional well-being, and long-term fulfillment. The hosts acknowledge that while the move may be challenging, it represents a new chapter of freedom, growth, and connection.
They remain open to revisiting the decision in the future, but for now, the transition feels inevitable and aligned with their evolving lives.
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