"The Mayor" (w/ Laura Dern)

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Which is a fabric that must be hard to deal with. As on a construction level. Yeah. Well, they say that on projects. They did. Because I'm looking at what's before me. Impeccable. This would walk the runway and she could walk the runway in it. And they would say, whoever is on the judging panel would be, I know exactly where she's going. It has pockets. I love when they say, it has pockets as a way to be like, well done. And finally, this is a 10 out of 10. Practical, functional. Are they not right, though? Absolutely. You had pockets. You did something. And that's actually real culture. Number nine. You had pockets. You did something. Hot, cloth, any pocket. Not only does our guest have pockets. Our guest has, let's talk about the hardware. An Oscar, an Emmy, a SAG Award, multiple Golden Globe Awards. I mean. A couple glass ones, too. Because not all awards are gold or brass or metal. Some of them are glass. That's real culture number 10. Not all awards are gold or brass or metal. And it must be a nightmare to sort of wade through our guest's foyer. Because there's so many awards to knock over. And shoes. And pink corduroy garments. Pink corduroy garments. The mudroom must be full of the stuff. The fact is, this is a genuine pop culture icon. Lasting over the years. I was saying to Bowen, it feels like Hollywood is a neighborhood. And our guests would be able to greet anyone on the street. And warmly and like the mayor. But not the mayor, because it's not a political thing. It's just kind of like. I'm here and you can come to me. Yes. Anyone has questions, come to me. Everybody good? She's the RA of the dorm of Hollywood. But a cool RA that gets fired like I did. Famously. She's a fucking legend. I am so beyond. She's in. We were just talking to her earlier. Before. Just kind of a little. Little amuse-bouche of a conversation. Right. It's like the best bouche. She's like at least 20 things to promote right now. So it's like. Oh, but when you're you. Like you don't. Anytime on the couch. Calendar is the right time to just talk. Talk about the stuff. Yeah, exactly. There's always going to be a thing. Palm Royale season two just finished. Executive producer on that. Jay Kelly. Is this thing on? Oh my God. Dirted by the B-coops. Bradley Cooper loves a shaky camera that just kind of winds around you. And finds you. And finds you. I still. So I just watched A Star is Born again. Because I, by the way, famously saw it five times opening weekend. That's like sort of where I am on McKinsey. Scale. That's what is that like an 11 out of six. If you see A Star is Born five times opening weekend. The man has talents. The man has many gifts. Man has many gifts. He eats shit in this movie. I can't deal exactly with that. But you can. You can. In the cinema. In the cinema. And I'm sure on streaming at some point. Like everything. Like everything. We're thrilled to have her. Everyone in the room at home. Hold on to your butts as it were. Hold on to your butt. Everyone welcome. You guys, thank you for the shout out of my pink corduroy. It's really working. I mean, I'll thank Gabriela Hearst who designed this. But I will say, I think Reese should have worn this on the show. You know, she came in and just like a basic black. How was she not in full pink corduroy? Do you think maybe she felt it would be on the nose? It would have been too on the nose. Sure. Which is why I can do it and then pay homage to her. Exactly. Through my pink corduroy. Because. Because really we're here to talk about Reese. Well, you guys talked about me. She told me. She's like, darn. Oh my God. I went on their show and we talked about you. It's funny. So you have a Reese. Right. Reese has a Nicole. Does Nicole have a you? I think that, yes. Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no. Wait. How does that go? So Nicole, what's the circle here? Nicole does have a me. She does have a you. What do you think is a you impression? I think it. It involves like using my arms and hands way too much when I'm talking and now I'm just going to like stop. Don't be self-conscious about it. I feel like it's very, you know, it's her doing. Oh. But I think it's very animated. Yeah. Because the gesticulation is people keep it at the wrist, at the fingers. They just, they just articulate this way. But you're, you're going full elbow shoulder. I think if, if mimicked, it would be, yeah, you'd have to really have to give it. You're all. It's like, I always refer to myself as one of, when I get excited as one of those balloons outside of a car wash. That's like, so it's not quite that. I relate to that though. Right. But we actually were talking and I was like, I remember watching White Lotus and when you, this was, I think the second season. Oh yeah. When you had a voice performance as Imperioli's estranged wife. And I remember listening to it and the way that like the anger built, I was like, you know, what's so funny? Like for someone that's such a sunny person and clearly such a friendly person and such a kind person, you do anger the best of anyone. Oh, I'm so tired. I wanted to ask you about that. What the fuck do you mean by that? And I'm a little scared. Like, like, do you, when you get a script that calls for anger, like you really lock, you lock in, like, is that an emotion you enjoy portraying? Yeah. Maybe, I mean, I'm sure there are people in my life, like my own children that would say I'm not always sunny, but I do like to look at life with glass half full, which as we know, like the glass is just like. Yeah. It gets, it's not all liquid in there sometimes. No. But I think then, you know, we become very blessed if we get to like work it all out as a character. Yes. So I think I'm just. I've been bottling it up, I guess, for years. And so my characters have given me room to explore all the things I obviously have been feeling. But, you know, just. Well, I think what broke the seal was probably Enlightened. Absolutely. Where it was, it was like an unleashing of something that was meant to be like contained or something. Right. It's like Amy's whole thing is like, oh, no, I'm good now. Yeah. And then like, clearly she will always be at the mercy of like a corporate structure or a wellness. Like, you know, like this idea, like, and those things just bear down on you. And then you have no choice but to like lash out. I know. We love her so much. Amy Jellicoe. Amy Jellicoe. I love her. Yeah. I mean, you know, sadly, it's probably the character I could be forever. If I chose like I, I, and I think Mike White feels the same way. I think we both feel like we are Amy, but we meet Amy every day. Of course. And we're all Amy now. And what's incredible about his writing. And I think our. Idea was based on, it was actually after the 2000 election and we were noticing like pre the iPhone revolution, there was this moment where there's unrest and no one's in the streets. And we thought, you know, a lot about who, what kind of person would it take? And I was talking to the head of HBO because we'd made the film recount for HBO. Which I loved. I love that movie. You were fantastic in that. So great. to play that character and person. And we were working on it. And I had said to Richard Plepler, who was at HBO at the time, you know, what what kind of individual does it take? I've got to play that person. And when I was talking to Mike about it, my summary of not even knowing who Amy was yet or in the writing of it. Yeah. I said, what if I love Lucy? What if Lucy became Norma Rae? Wow. I was like, that, I think, is who it would take. And that was sort of the birth of then this person. Yeah. I think, you know, is Amy. She's just a mess and and and think she's doing the right thing, but in all the wrong ways. And then, you know. Yeah. She gets a breaking. Yeah. Oh, yeah. And the platform is. Give her a soapbox. Oh, yeah. What if I love Lucy became Norma Rae? Yeah, that's it. That's. And I mean, then the world would be a better place. I love that world. But a lot of people. Amy Jellicoe, I think, would be way more like it. I think the reason why she was popping so much when Enlightened first came out is because we were like, we don't we've never seen this. Exactly. And now we're all Amy. Yeah. Right. And I think the world is so overwhelming to everyone. Right. That everyone has a little bit of Amy. Yeah. Yeah. And we're the better. for it. Yes, exactly. Exactly. I think, but I, I, I think, I think that's my theory and this is just me totally projecting that onto you, but I feel like that is that kind of, not that you ever asked for it, but it gave this permission for you in this, in this new zone of your career to like, just dial it up, dial it down. It goes into Renata. It goes into, into all of these different people. It goes into marriage story. Like that model is so beautifully set. I think, I think you kind of just hollowed that out for everybody. Well, that's beautiful to hear. I have to say, I think it's because suddenly women for the first time were in leadership positions. So suddenly the characters changed because the world had changed. Like I wasn't gonna play the leading divorce attorney or the head. Of some tech company in the early nineties when I started, cause there were no women in those positions. So we couldn't examine the way that they like were scrutinized or the way they behaved in those positions because they didn't exist. Yeah. Yeah. I think about the movie I did citizen Ruth and I love that character Ruth stoops and this Alexander Payne comedy about the abortion issue. And someone was like, Oh, you know, there's this scene that's very anthemic where she gets to talk about her rights. Yeah. And I was like, what's funny about it. Cause it's that movie's hilarious to me is it's not that she says what her rights are. It's that she doesn't even realize she has rights. And so it's so janky and not, she's not sure. And at the end of this speech, I turned the people next to me after I say, you know, I'm a woman and I have my right to choose. And I did it. And then I looked at Kurtwood Smith and all these protesters next to me and I go, right. Like, did I get that right? Am I allowed to say that? So, you know, growing up the characters that I got to play who were exploring sexuality for the first time, but didn't know if they were entitled to it or it was all new. And then suddenly I grew up as, as a woman into a world where the characters changed. And suddenly I was looking at, you know, the leaders in their industries, which gave me the ability to have rage or, or say what I needed or, you know, be not only disarming, but even cruel to a man in the room or whatever, depending on the character. And that was so fun because it was all new. Yeah. I feel like it's like with Renata, it's, she's so outsized, but she is so righteous. She believes all of it. Cause she's right. We agree. I agree. It's, it's truly like, I will never forget. I said, thank you. That was I think the moment where I was like, cause I was, I remember we were on this podcast and cause it was kind of a slow burn in the beginning, Big Little Lies. You remember? Like it was. I guess so. Yeah. I mean, now it's hard to look back on it without it, without seeing it as like a phenomenon right off the bat, but yeah. It took a few episodes and I remember we were watching it and I was like, you guys might want to check out Big Little Lies because there's something really cool happening. And when you screamed, I said, thank you. That was for me. Yeah. That was for me. That was for me. And I realized like this tone is really something new because it was a comedy when you and Reese were on screen and a drama when Nicole was on screen. But then there were moments that were like really almost brutal when they, when those tones collided. And I felt like that was a perfect example. And I was like, we're seeing something super fresh here. Yeah. And like, it's, and that speaks to Jean-Marc Vallee, the director, who is such an incredible filmmaker. And Reese and I made the film Wild with him and then kind of Big Little Lies was right after that. And so it was just beautiful to have that kind of trust, you know, found family and our work and life is the greatest thing that ever happened to any of us. And, and so I just would go wherever he said, and we'd done something so pure. And the character I had played only came from kindness, Cheryl Strait's mother in that film. And, and, and so he was just like, you know, we're going everywhere now. Like this woman takes no prisoners. She just goes and everything was improvisational. And he always, the camera was handheld. I was wondering about that. Yeah. We were just trying stuff and he was so inventive, but it created again, room for, I think the comedy of it, but also the rage and the, and the violence and horror of what was happening at times to these women, particularly. Nicole's character. Yeah. It helped so much. And your tribute today to Reese's character, to, to Cheryl and Wild is that you brought, you brought a huge backpack and it's, it's, we're all going on. We've been waiting for an excuse to get physical 1800. What? That's like 90 marathons. You put your hands in the dino poop. You would do it. I feel like whatever it is, you would do it. Guys, I'm a professional paleontologist. I mean, are there things, are there things about your career that you like remember not misremember, but that when you remember when the memory of it comes up, it, it is totally surprising to you, even though it like happened to you, you've registered it, but it's like, there's such an expansive breadth there that you're like, oh my God, when I did citizen Ruth, like, this is a totally different reality in the world. In my life, in my, me as Laura Dern, like, I mean, like, what does that, how does that square with you? Like you looking back and I know you don't, I know actors don't really do this. They don't look back on their career and go, wow, I can't believe this. But as we're having a conversation with you about your career, like, do you think that memory gets a little refracted in a way? I think it has to. And I think as long as we are willing to be present, truly present, in invention, in bravery and honesty, then we never have to catch up because we get to just be there. And I'm going to say something about you. Because humility, as a deep part of someone's nature, you have it or you don't. And I had the pleasure of being in the room when you received an award at the Academy Museum. Oh, wow. And you were incredible because you weren't in the experience of what was happening to you. You weren't in the experience of your success or this new moment. You were in the experience of being grateful for the opportunities you've been given, for your friends being in celebration of you having had the opportunity to do what you love, not in your achievements. And it was so powerful. It was so beautiful to just hear your gratitude. You were tender and emotional as you shared it. Like, you were just deeply grateful. You can't fake it. Nobody can write a speech for you to sound humble. But you were purely in the moment. So even in 20 years, when someone says, wow, is that a big moment in your career? When people were, I know from your generosity in that moment, you'll be like, God, yeah, if I had realized what a big moment it was, maybe I wouldn't have been able to do it. I would have been more nervous or more, but it wouldn't change you because your nature is in being so grateful. And that was so beautiful to see in a room filled with, you know, artists and film industry and all that stuff. Well, I'm shuddering at the, because it's just like, oh my gosh, like you were there. And it was just, if I think about that, that list of people, I'm like, oh, that's, that's incredibly overwhelming. But I'm so, thank you for saying that. Well, it's really beautiful. It really moved me. And I, I, uh, you know, I think if I, in my career had someone saying, oh, by the way, the movie you're doing right now is going to be iconic. You can't, you can't do it. And you've been like, and it's been true for you in like. niche iconic and also the most mainstream iconic and I just I remember like it's like everyone talks about like you know the word wonder is defined by Laura Dern discovering the brachiosaurus did I get that dinosaur right? I think it was a brachiosaurus come on paleontologist down but like it is true it's like if Steven Spielberg says to you like now remember this is going to be what people remember about the movie it's impossible you're going to define the word wonder you better make sure that you really define the word wonder right now with your performance Laura Dern because this is history forever for millennia but it's just it is fascinating to think about that it's like it's being committed to celluloid there in what 3, 4 takes? 5, 6? and then it's forever 3? do you move quickly on a movie that's that big? you have to you do until a dinosaur breaks down I guess like my brain did not compute that so many of those dinosaurs were actually practical isn't that incredible? I mean insane especially a massive part of the T-Rex which was the only orn reactor we worked with like he would break here and there similar to Bruce the Shark from Jaws yeah exactly these guys and their egos but it was amazing I mean sadly the brachiosaurus was an X on a piece of paper darn stuck up to the ground in the tree she was not there with us but the raptors were there that's and scary yeah and people are like oh my god to act with something that's not there first of all an incredible animatronic thanks to the genius of Stan Winston was right there and I'm alone and the lights go on and this thing comes out at me and there are puppeteers who are making it scary I was so scared of course your body doesn't know the difference yes right but those brachiosauri they were humble by nature whoa no no no no no not brachiosauri no no no no no no no because you know it's not brachiosauruses you just sound like a crazy person but it's brachiosauri it might be sauruses no way I think it's brachiosauri I go with I mean that was incredible fungus, fungi, brachiosaurus but I don't know I'm going out on a limb I've been able to say that I don't think I would have been that smart you're a woman of letters you would have known you are a paleontologist you would have known you just are but yes sorry we interrupted no no you were so moved by your brachiosaurus I even meant to say those raptors they are humble by nature you think humility is by nature you don't think there's a you either are humble or you're not you don't think there's some spectrum there I think life can teach you humility yes for sure it can bring us to our knees without question but as we know and I mean I think we can see faces in our heads right now there are some people that no matter what happens they will never know humility of course and that's just unfortunate and you usually it's the people who continue to be placed in positions of power or accolades or deep success yes we're talking about Jeff Goldblum we're talking about don't get me started don't get me started I we love him have not received a culture award but Jeff Goldblum's chest well just you wait can I say the culture award was was I don't know the fact that he we're so sorry first of all we're so sorry yes I'm out an apology don't worry I've never had so much fun in my entire life in watching the entire award show with my daughter oh my gosh we had so much fun it's a masterpiece it made me so happy and yes Jeff's chest should have won listen the fact that he came out and was the first award I was like now people know they don't know what to expect it's so incredible the fact that he showed up and was down to do that just shows that he's the coolest that was amazing but I would imagine he was even the coolest back then like that's a cool group of people together and he's humble although I just wonder for any man in ego if he was like how come they only designated it in Jurassic Park like the fly wasn't enough of course it's encouragement to see more yeah there you go there you go designated from one film in the Wicked prequel in the Wicked prequel I want it to be all about we saw in the movie Wicked that he was sorry he was a big slut back in the day he was sleeping with his mom at least two buttons what I'm saying is they I want to see snap off in a song I want to see it right just go into a song sexy wizard pre the wizard pre the wizard sexy wizard just you had me there sexy wizard was what we got but now we're going to get the origin story as it were the first two buttons popping oh yeah there you go so do you do you roller coasters are you a theme park person because there's because Jurassic Park you must be treated like a senator when you go there I went once yeah first of all it was terrifying well yes terrifying the Velocicoaster or the no I went to just the Jurassic Park ride oh I'm so sorry of course the boat ride the boat ride but the drop is terrifying it's one of the largest drops yeah thank you and I was so scared and I was like when my kids were little and we were going to go and they had friends I think it was a birthday party for one of the kids and I didn't want to say I couldn't go which is like so let me like guys I can't go on a ride it's literally my ride children you know this is great so what happened was can you stop the ride I want to expound so this was a great day but I you know was like just hanging out with my baseball cap we did the ride all was good and walked through the gift shop which you have to go through to get out sure do and it's like me with the triceratops scene is playing and all these dolls that I didn't know existed of you that look like me and it was a little awkward but we moved through it you both have dolls you're a doll you're a lego I have a minifig you're a doll oh thank you Laura you're a doll and a peach thank you and more but Bowen is talking about the Velocicoaster so if you ever do get down to Orlando, Florida the Velocicoaster is the Jurassic is the Jurassic Park ride they have in Islands of Adventure and B.D. Wong does the pre-show excellent work it's great pre-show work I can't oh my god I'm so excited it's a full immersive experience and it's a full-on rollercoaster that launches through a raptor enclosure pretty cool stuff down in Orlando, Florida great stuff I can't wait I'm going if you have any interest in pre-show stuff for the is this thing on-ride I think you would do great work in that aspect thank you I mean I'll sit and watch with Peyton Manning next to you yeah with Peyton Manning did you ever think you would have the on-screen romance with Peyton Manning I mean I think now that you think about it like in hindsight it's obvious right this ad is sponsored by Veve Healthcare time for some prep wisdom but first some common sense people everyone is different everyone yes even you yes even your situationship especially your situationship and just like people injectable prep options not all the same that's why you need to talk to your doctor and know what to ask so here's some prep 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haven't worked with that you're dying to work with can you imagine if i said someone i have have worked of course i mean at this you wouldn't be like oh my god um but this is a podcast for manifestation by the way many things happen as a result of things being said they have to be living no okay let's examine it just would be hard it would be harder to manifest that but choose your own adventure here listen you always have i'd like to be with the beatles yes you'd be great uh there's four movies guys i mean that's hard i've um i did work with de niro oh in a scene but i haven't gotten into it really got into it that would be a great pleasure i honestly i think about filmmakers first because when i was six my mom diane ladd was in the film alice doesn't live her anymore for martin scorsese and it's and i was on set i was that summer with her on the movie and it was an excellent time to be with her and i was like oh my god i'm so happy to be with her and i was like oh my god i'm so happy to be with her and i was like oh my god i'm so happy to be with her on the movie and he was the person who turned to my mother which believe me i heard because they had to do 19 takes and i had to eat 19 ice cream cones in the background of this amazing scene and it's tough and it gets tough actually yeah actually no for real ice cream and he was like whoa your daughter just ate 19 ice creams and didn't throw up he goes she's gonna be an actor she's method and i was like you know and i was sick so all i knew was this man i'd been around all summer and they were doing this thing that i fell in love with and i didn't i actually didn't understand acting what i fell in love with was this man is figuring out how to film it yeah and these actresses are creating their characters and together they're like feeding off of each other and like tell that story about that one time you said your friend and they start building it weaving lines from the scene into other stories and getting to the truth of a moment yeah and they were in there and he let me be i was looking through a doorway they're in a in a in a toilet stall in the back of mel's diner and um and i was watching them just play together and i thought i want to do that where you're with your friends telling stories together and so i fell so in love with that so i would say the person i probably would say the person i would say the person i want to the most would be scorsese just to do a full circle that does feel like a perfect one to one absolutely yeah that would be amazing yeah i mean your memory on this is so clear and obviously formative but but it just um so then i guess to like this answers the question that i had earlier which is like how how like how firmly grounded are you are you in those memories and it seems like you are 10 toes down all the way through and is that the year that you went to the oscars with with your mother yeah like seven years old yeah because she was nominated because yeah um and and then i think the the other stories that like then you would go back with with her and your grandmother for rambling rose yeah like this this kind of like i love i love this thing about like you sort of as it were like growing up in this industry as your neighborhood because you get to see the process you get to see the celebration of it and then you also get to transcend that and just know that like this is a nice part of it it is more about the work than anything else yeah not even about like the going to the thing although that's nice and fun yes i have to say i i mean i just feel so lucky that i had that childhood experience at the time i did because the neighborhood would be the true description of it first of all actors weren't making money movie stars were making right not that much money uh you know it it was a craft and everyone made a little to go work in independent film certainly in the 70s into the 80s and then became the blockbuster and the industry changed but watching my parents work you know you would make a movie and i grew up in what felt like a small town yeah and i would go to my parents friends home and i would go to my parents friends that were incredibly well regarded and famous and they would be in their duplex or their small house or you know but it it wasn't like fancy luxury glamour was not the word no and and paparazzi like there was you went to one event which was the premiere of your movie where there were photographers you did the tonight show and maybe you were on the cover of american film and and then you know an independent film suddenly there was interview and you do interview but that's kind of it yeah it wasn't the industry within an industry at all and then there was the oscars yeah and eventually the golden globes but there were only a couple of award shows yeah so and there was no social media there was no and i think for actors the whole idea of the craft of method acting and at that time this group of actors many of whom came up to me and said together at the actor studio was about invisibility it was about kind of going deep into this character and being unrecognizable yeah and now it's it's complicated now you gotta come on here it is a real thing you're right you know to to say to you because that's how i was raised like i didn't see you which was so kind of you to say it but it wasn't you you know it wasn't your energy you were even when we were saying hi between takes and stuff you were in the character and it was so beautiful and he's uh gorgeous and amazing and so funny and and such a great friend to her you know like it's this full being thanks but it wasn't matt like that's great acting you know and you're you just were in that moment which is so beautiful to watch and so fun you want to you know it actually the reason i say it's the most fun job i've ever had is because i was we were telling kristin it's rare i think to go into hair and makeup and come out and don't see yourself yeah and then you go out on the set and it's on the lot it's this idea i know we just talked about how back in the day there it was it was there was the the glamour wasn't the word but to me there was like this really fun element of glamour in terms of like you really are b are someone else you walk out on the lot the tram goes by and you're like wow this can still happen and i think a lot of us that are starting our careers like are feeling a little pessimistic about whether or not that can happen again and i would say like you being such a leader in the industry like what are your reflections right now and like what are your thoughts about you know where where we're at i think that if the people with the money either have integrity which would be awesome and and there are always a few yeah who do that's true and who are kind people and who care about art and culture and understand that like if a country loses its culture it loses the country so like and its soul you know exactly so um so i am a believer in that but i think that if even if they don't know art that they want to give to people to tell their stories and understand that stories are important then we're in really good shape and we have to keep telling the stories but i remember billy wilder won the lifetime achievement award from the writers guild and guys sunset boulevard the apartment some like it hot like a master that has given us like the great gifts of our life and film and everybody was waiting for this you know and i'm paraphrasing because i don't know the exact words, but this was the idea. Everybody was waiting for his grand speech. you know, five minute speech to teach us about cinema and how to keep it alive. Yeah. And he got up and he said, you own a pool, they own you. Whoa. And he got off. Whoa. And that is the, that should be the answer to the question, which is like, when you need a lot of stuff or to pay for the stuff you got, it's just going to cause you a lot of stress. Oh. You then got to do the thing. You got to pay the piper. 100%. And so that's the challenge is how do we hold space to do what we love to tell the stories that matter. And I think the way we're going to get to do those as fewer people are able to go to the movies at $38 a ticket or, you know, take their whole family to see something they love. Yeah. You know, for, for smaller independent films, certainly it's like, you know, you're going to have to make those movies for a much smaller budget than I think in the last five years people have had the privilege of, of having. This, this is completely edifying. And the, this thing you're talking about with Billy Wilder, you've talked about how like people in your parents' generation are just desperate to find work, book a couple of jobs a year so they can still qualify for their fucking health insurance. It's, it's about like material stuff that can like keep like a home, like a roof above people's heads, get them like the healthcare thing. It's just these, these basic necessities that are being like slowly taken away from all of us at various levels of the business. And like this is, this is exactly right. Like what you're saying. Like if the people with the money can redistribute that in a way that helps it in the most basic way, then that changes everything. George Clooney is an amazing person and has spoken a lot about this. You know, the question of sort of when you're number one on the call sheet, right? How does that money get redistributed? Because anyone on that set should be paid and have their healthcare insurance paid and have, you know, money to do a line in a movie, money to be there for the day. And, and please God, may we keep background players and extras. Because so many actors get their healthcare insurance for people who don't know. They get coverage by booking even to be a background extra, even though they're a incredible actor or actress who've worked their career that one day or two days on that movie gives them healthcare coverage for a year. And, and, and guys, the crazy thing is we're talking about the actors who we all know and have loved in films for a long time. Or, or our favorite star of a TV show for 20 years who's now 80, whose health is declining and there's no retirement plan. Unlike a lot of unions, including if I were a secretary at Omaha Steaks and retired and would have healthcare coverage for the rest of my life, actors don't have that luxury, which is nuts. And our union should be changing that. This is crazy. So even with my parents and all of their friends, the people who raised, us on movies and television, they have to worry about not being able to go to the dentist or if they go to the hospital, there's not going to be coverage for those bills. It's terrifying. Yeah. Mess. It's a mess. So yes, redistributing, figuring out a way to keep the work going, figuring out a way to keep theaters vibrant and streaming alive, which gives, you know, a lot of work to a lot of people. There's a way to do all of it. I'm all for the popcorn buckets. Do the popcorn buckets. Give us the popcorn buckets. We love it. They're the best parts. Like, I'll do the theme popcorn. I like that Dune popcorn bucket. Love it. It's multi-purpose. Love it. Oh, gosh. Anyways. But like, yeah, no, I was actually, it was funny. I was just having a conversation outside and we were talking about a movie theater that we had in common growing up. And my instinct was to ask, what's it look like? Because these movie theaters from when we were younger, I recently went back. We went to go, I think I saw, Wicked for Good four times. But we went to go see it at my local movie theater with my parents. And I was like, oh, no, it's so, it's in such bad shape. I know. Because it's like, and I do think that is something to think about too. It's like, people don't want, people barely want to leave their houses. They're not going to leave their houses to go somewhere that's like uncomfortable and quite frankly, unsanitary. So that's a part of the ecosystem of this too. It's like, it's one system. It's one system. It's one system. And we can get really clever conversation for a time soon if you guys are up for it, which is like, how can we do that? How can we get the energy back in supporting local movie theaters? You know, every town should get to have one art house cinema. I agree. I mean, my God. Some of my best memories are going by myself down to like Angelica. You know what I mean? And I'll just go three in a row. I pay for it. I pay for each one. I don't hop, hop, hop. But like, you know what I mean? Like I saw like Red Rocket a couple of years ago in the theater by myself and I was like, thank God we have some place to watch this movie. Well, and that's the thing. I mean, you guys are this extraordinary space for all of us, but also youth culture to kind of find their voice and their art and what they want to do in their lives. Like it's, it's massive. And if you're in Chicago, New York, LA, San Francisco, you have an Angelica, you have a Metrograph, but what if you're not in those cities growing up and you're not introduced to so much culture that yes, one positive in social media, you can find like-minded people, but also places and spaces that maybe aren't, aren't your brilliant, weird brain. Yes. And how do we find the brilliant, weird brain? Of course. 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Maybe no one here has heard of it. Called Ladies and Gentlemen, The Fabulous Stains. And at 12 years old, I went to make a punk rock movie. And my co-stars were two members of the Sex Pistols, a member of The Clash, Feeway Bill and Vince Welnick from The Tubes. And I went and did this music movie where I had my 13th birthday on that movie. And I was dressed. My hair was like long blonde hair down to here. Wow. I was like shaved. I had a mohawk. It was jet black with a white stripe. You were living it. And I was in it. And I suddenly was this like punk kid for this character. And I was like, oh my God, they have holes in their shirts and they're taking safety pins to just like keep it together. And like giant motorcycle boots and miniskirts and there's tears and they're fishnets and what's happening. And I started listening to punk music and learning also just like female lead singers. And bands, which was a whole new thing. And I think for me, the culture became, oh, wait, you can spend your life defining culture based on being like exposed to 10 years ahead of where everybody else is. Whoa. And it kept happening. Like that was me at 13. And I went back to eighth grade with that hair, embarrassed. They were like, what happened to you? And they were like, you know, talking about the new police record. And I was like, oh, oh my God, I love that record. And I remember this one girl was like, we were just saying we hate that record. I was like, oh, no, no, no. I meant I liked the last record, but that one sucked so bad. You know, just like you're trying to like keep up with everybody else. And it was this defining moment of, oh, no, I get to have my own culture. A hundred percent. And it's just other stuff I was exposed to. Nobody even knows about it, but it's my culture. And yeah, I'm going to have like, you know, my poster is going to be Barbara's Stanwyck and John Savage from hair. And people don't know who those people on my wall are. And that's OK, because they're my people. And then at 17, I was cast in Blue Velvet. Yeah, you sure were. And I went, oh, my God, David Lynch is my culture. And it would it would take decades for people to like really catch up. Right. So I the good news is my culture was defined by not needing to be part of the culture that was happening right now. I have chills. I mean, that's that's an amazing answer. Cool. Must have been very difficult to have the noise and not that it's noise, but just to have the weather of the culture run upwind to you or just you're kind of against that for a while. And you have to that requires the stability for you and your identity and the culture that you loved. One, I think being an actor starting acting at 11. So I was always put sort of into cultures through this group of people, this circle. Right. That was making them. Yeah, yeah, totally. You're in the culture of Wicked and it's your world. And we're not going to catch up for a couple of years when you started. Right. So and now it's ours. We own it. Right. And you're like, OK, we were that's all we lived and breathed for this period of time. Sure, sure. And now it is pop culture. It's redefined culture. So you have to surrender to that. You're always in another world and other people. But I love that. The bad news segue is. You don't know what's happening in pop culture. Right. Which as long as you're not embarrassed. Yeah. You're good. But then you have kids and you embarrass them. No. Now I know that's not true. We're looking over at Jaya. You have no reason to ever be embarrassed. I'm sure. I'm sure there are things that we have no idea about. Don't even. But, you know, like you're in public spaces trying to like be be in a moment that excites you. And, you know, you just you. You don't know who people are or you don't know what's happening. Usually I when it comes to film, I'm pretty current. I'm such a music fan. So I kind of know what's going on in music. But I have a story for you, which is I went into a hotel lobby to meet my friend Sam for a tea. Come on now. And he was talking to this lady and they were deep in conversation and I walked up. And I wanted to make sure like he wasn't finishing a meeting or another thing. So I would go sit somewhere else. And we're at the Bowery and this where it all happens, where it all happens. And they sort of invite me into their conversation and I'm introduced. And I said, oh, God, if you guys need to finish. No, no, no, no, no. She says, no worry. I know you guys are meeting like I'm just I just arrived. I'm going to check in. And I said, oh, oh, you're staying here. And he said, yeah, we just ran into each other. But we're friends. And I said, oh, where'd you come in from? And she had her suitcase and she said, oh, Salt Lake. And I said, oh, cool. And and I said, how did you guys meet? And she said, oh, my God. Sam was so nice to me. I wrote a book and he just was so supportive. And I said, that's amazing. He's such an amazing writer. He's such a champion of his friends. Sam Lansky. Are you talking about Sam Lansky? He's so great. And so I said, that's so sweet. And she said, yeah, he was really sweet. Like your first book, you don't know what you're doing. And I said, oh, yeah, you're amazing. She was anyway. Great to meet you. Starts to take. And I said, so but you don't live in New York. And she said, no, no, no. I live in Salt Lake. And I said, oh, what do you do there? And she said, oh, I'm a housewife in Salt Lake. I'm a multi-hyphenate. And I said, girl, don't put yourself. You just told me you wrote a book. You're so much more than a housewife. And she said, no, no, I'm a real housewife in Salt Lake. I said, you just said that. But you also said you wrote a book. It wasn't clocking to you. You're a housewife. You're a novelist. You're like, you do many things. And Sam had to go, Laura, she's a real housewife of Salt Lake City. It was that woman was Heather Gay. Yes, it was. Who sat in that very chair. And guess what? I don't know anything about. That's okay. I was like this woman, but I guess she's because I kept defending like, don't you know, it's great. I mean, by the way, if you're just a housewife, being a housewife is amazing. I'm like, she probably was saying like, oh, yes, she met Laura Dern. And she was like, oh, I'm just a housewife from Salt Lake City. Yeah. And meanwhile, she was actually saying her job title. She was she was shrinking herself in a way. Yes. But you were like trying to meet her at her level. But it was a who's on first thing. I'm like, no, no, no, we're not. Yes. And by the way, it literally took her leaving for Sam to describe to me yet again what it meant. And then I had to call Jaya and say, I was with Heather and I didn't know anything. And she's like, oh, my God, mom, that's like the best one. She's the real housewife of Salt Lake City. Her title of this podcast, her episode was The Protagonist. The Protagonist. Because she is that. Also, I'm going to tell you how gay Gay is. Right now, we've both dated Sam. Oh, you and I? Yeah. I went on a couple of dates with him. What makes you think I haven't dated Sam? Oh, my God. Now it's really a queer community. It's a queer community. Now you're really iconic. Start that indie spirit song back up. You dated Sam 10 years before we did. Yes. Yes. That's what it is. And lovely person. Lovely person. He's the most wonderful. Lovely person. And such a true champion of people. I know. It's truly great. Even this housewife who became a novelist. I was just, I've just hosted today's show a couple weeks ago when Kieran and Shipka was there. And that's one of his like closest friends. That's right. They're buds. They're buds. He's like, he's truly a fixture. But this is so funny because I really want to go back to this idea of like embarrassment and shame around the culture that you knew and that you're like, you don't like, there's no embarrassment in not knowing who that person is. It's like the girl being like, we were just talking about the police record and it's the one we don't like. It's like, yes, there's always going to be like a misalignment or something, you know, unless you are part of the beautiful collection. That is like on the same track with something like it's, I kind of like. that I'm discovering a lot of films myself very late. Yes. Well, by the way, it's the essence of this show. It's why I was so excited to be here and why Jaya was saying to me, you know, I know these are your people. I know this is your world because it isn't defining culture. It's asking what is your culture? What is, yes, yeah. And obviously making fun and having fun and being in the bliss of like, it keeps being redefined. Like what's important to us? What's hilarious to us? It's so, that's so freeing. Yeah, but I will say this, you walking into the Bowery and that interaction with Heather Gay, that's the culture awards. That's Las Culturistas culture awards. That's the tone. That is exactly, that is what we need. That could be the award. You guys present together. Can I be like tallest woman, tiniest impact? I'm like, how do I, what is my award? Tallest woman, tiniest impact is. Because yeah, your impact would be described as tiny, Laura. So deeply funny. But I was like, what could my award be? This is like, the minute that chest, that chest got an award, I was like, I'm hungry. People are like, once you get an Oscar, do you want another Oscar? I'm like, I want a Las Culturistas. Laura Dern, there's a bespoke category and award on the horizon coming your way. Guys, I got the song like that. Like to get a song. You got a song. Come on. That was, yeah, no, that was. Only because he just referenced it. Well, no, no, no, no, the hundred percent. But that was, that was like a, that was like a moment in culture too, which was like, I feel like, like there was this moment where every single person that's in the queer community was like, wait, you know what we all have in common? We fucking love Laura Dern. And that had to be a thing to receive for you. But it's also like you as the human being experiencing it and not the topic is like a different thing. It's amazing. So when they all of a sudden, a community turns to you and said, hey, like, what did that kind of feel like? Okay. That was insane. It was insane. I didn't know. I didn't understand what was happening. So I knew in the moment I had to surrender and just start enjoying it and dancing, even though I had no clue why it was happening. But back to cultural shifts, you know, obviously we're only going to affect change if we're the first ones. We're only going to affect change if it's your voice. Before other people have caught up to feeling brave enough to say it. So we've all been taught that. Culture catching up to storytelling for the LGBTQ community had to be a thing when someone would go first. So my experience and me calling people going, guess what I'm doing? I'm not supposed to talk about it, but I'm doing this thing. I'm doing an episode of TV. And they're like, whoa, you know, you just starred in Jurassic Park. Like, why are you doing an episode? And I said, no, my friend is doing something. I want to be part of it. And I can't really say what it is. And I had the honor and privilege of being part of Ellen DeGeneres' coming out episode called The Puppy Episode. And it was a massive moment. But the moment now reflected on seems like, well, of course, obvious, duh, a million dollars. A million people must have done it before that. And people must have been going crazy and celebrating. And it must have been such an emotional moment. Bomb threats, losing sponsors and, you know, advertisers and like a crazy week during the filming. Because that was, what you were doing at the time was out of step with what- Out of step. And then when it happened, same for Oprah Winfrey, who plays her therapist on the episode, in a way, the assumption is you're going to do this thing and thank God people will wake up, love their relatives and their neighbors, see them, everything will expand, culture will catch up, and it will be a beautiful celebration, was like major security for a couple of years for any of us involved. The world went, no, no, no. Yeah. She lost her show. Like it was, you know, it took years. The repercussions that were wrong. Wrong. Yeah. Wrong. And yet, now, a moment like that happens. And for the people involved in this celebration, I had a couple of people, part of the Gay Men's Choir of Los Angeles come up and go, like, I was a kid who didn't even know what was going on. I saw that episode and that meant, and you go, oh, right. That's why you want culture to catch up later. That is culture. Culture's doing it when nobody's caught up. Yeah. I mean, it's just such a gift. Wow. So that actually was the, I think the aha moment of honoring a community, being part of it. Yeah. And also, let me just say, being part of that moment with Ellen, it wasn't that I was somebody like supporting an actor or a friend by being part of the show. Makes me emotional, but I was holding her hands as they were shaking, you know? Yeah. Looking in my eyes, saying for the first time, I'm gay. Yeah. Out loud with people watching. And the privilege, the luxury of feeling it for someone in a moment was so beautiful. Literally holding space. It was one of the most incredible experiences of my life. And so, you know, watching someone do that for themselves and for their community and for their lives. Mm-hmm. You know, it was like amazing. That can't help but be the focal point for when you do watch this chorus of men sing your name. It's funny and it's frivolous and it's beautiful. It's celebratory and people are saying how much they love you, but you're like, you immediately are flashing back to the hands in your hands. Yeah. That's, I mean, that's, wow. Yeah. Can I ask like, but like among the people involved, like what was it like sitting with that energy for the last couple of years? The longest time between like you and Oprah and now it's like the aftermath of that must have been so disorienting. Crazy. Crazy. That's all. And, you know, crazy on so many levels. Crazy that I know Oprah. Crazy. Crazy. Like crazy. That's the first thing. Yeah, that I had bonding experiences. And we, she did her anniversary show, her talk show and had us come on and we talked about it for the first time. Yes. Like deeply talked about it. And, you know, hung out that night and I think we were all together till honestly till like three in the morning sharing the stories of the gratitude we experienced, of the personal stories shared. But I've just been so lucky to be someone that people will share their personal stories or their family stories or their struggles with me only by, you know, by being adjacent to this brave moment in someone's life. Well, they intuit correctly. And I know that you were a safe space for someone that needed it. And so now that's part of your essence. And that is a beautiful thing to have be part of your essence. It's incredible to even think that anyone would believe that of me. So I will hopefully always rise to the occasion to hold space for anybody. Yeah. But, you know, that's, yeah, that's the dream anyway, for sure. I love that. Thank you for sharing that. I can't believe that that was the hotel lobby story, by the way, too. That's just. And by the way, my daughter was right. She was like, don't tell that on a talk show. Don't tell. You've got to. Tell that on Lost Culture. I am getting you on Lost Culture. He says, I am calling your publicist. You have a story for them. You know what that means, Jaya? That means that you are, in the fandom, a publicist. You are a publicist. And is that how you identify? Reader, Katie, publicist, finalist? You are a finalist, but. Yeah. Yes, for her. Yeah. But you're a publicist in this realm. Yeah. I'm a publicist, but I'm with her in public. Yeah, okay, good. Publicist. With her and in public, absolutely. I'm a publicist. Absolutely. A hundred percent. Wow. That is so. I mean, just like. Yeah. I mean, I just. I just feel like it's not surprising to me at all to like. You really do enter rooms and it feels like everyone is just like. Because you are Hollywood royalty, but basically there's so much more. It means so much more than that when you carry all these things and you have all these insights and you have all this experience and you're able to speak to it in such a way and share it in such a way. Why weren't you guys there when I went through a breakup? We'll be there. We'll be there next time. Can you imagine during breakups? It's like your champions show up in the room and be like, she's Hollywood royalty and she is. You can't break up with her. But like. But Reese was saying. Especially when you're like 16. Reese was saying that when you guys met, it was on your death scene in Wild. Yes. Spoiler. Sorry, y'all. Spoiled Wild. But you guys had just gone through divorces. Yeah. And that sort of like rocketed you guys to like. Oh, and immediately. Literally within two minutes of meeting on set. Wow. Shared everything with each other. So you guys are real life besties. Because we knew we were safe. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's incredible. Yeah. Oh, that's so cool. She's the best. She's awesome. I mean, tiniest person, biggest impact. Let's be clear. I'm already planning the reward show. In a real way. In a real way. Real way. Shall we move to I Don't Think So, Honey? We shall. It is the time. Oh my God, already? It's time. I know. It's not crazy. I just said. I said, are people nervous when they. I mean. I mean, again, thank God. that my publicist, my daughter, even told me, hey, mom, they're going to ask this question. You got to at least, and I was like, I don't like to prepare for things, Jaya. She's like, mom, you have to at least know the theme or the thing that bothers you. And then, but I- You ride it out. You'll see soon. You got to just go with the feeling, right? All we ever know is the topic. Are there people who actually write a minute of a rant? I'll say something. They tend to feel less impactful when they are being read because you can tell the spirit is not moving. The spirit has already moved. And so therefore it's on the written page. 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We're the bellowers. It's a cultural bellow. And I have something. This is going to come out of left field. Okay. But I think we're all experiencing it and it needs to be spoken out loud. Okay. Okay. Matt with a collective. Activist perspective. Centering myself. This is I Don't Think So Honey as time starts now. I Don't Think So Honey doors that are both push and pull. Oh my God. This is a danger to society. You're getting smacked. You are getting smacked. God forbid someone pushes and pulls at the same time. Then we're just slapping on glass. Your wrists are compromised. There has to be decisions. Also, I'm sorry. If you are walking into a store, the door should go into the store. If you're pulling the door out, I'm just giving an idea about what direction to go. It has to go a direction. That direction has to be clearly labeled. My opinion is if we're going in, the door should go in. People expect something when they are in a space to have something enter that space. When you were on the street, you do not think, hey, you know what could fly out in front of me right now? A goddamn door. I hate this. We already, and I'm sorry to make people nervous on the streets. We already have the fact that in the summer, air conditioning. It could plummet. Oh, Matthew. I don't need to be thinking about birds pooping on us, air conditioning is plummeting. And, you know, also doors flying out into the streets. It's push or pull. It is not push and pull. That's not physics. And that's one minute. Public safety announcement. Yes. That's like, let's change up what a PSA stands for. You have just saved lives with that. I'm just saying we have to, we have really should just decide. And I think in all ways, you know, what, you know, what great leadership is, you know, what great direction is making decisions. It is not always about making the right decision. It is about making a decision. And then you deal with those consequences and those, the fallout from that decision. But we have to make decisions, making a door push and pull. Sure. It's a choice. It's not a decision. It's not definitive. It is putting too much in the eyes and the hands and the wrists of the public. And we can't be trusted. We need guidance. We need leadership. We need leadership on this. Amen. Amen. Masterpiece. Thank you. Thoughts on, thoughts on revolving doors. Let's go around. Thoughts on revolving doors. I'm actually, I'm actually, I don't like revolving doors. Don't take them. You don't take them? If there's a side door, I push in. I say do two doors. And then it doesn't let me usually. Do, I say. But the revolving. Yeah. I worry I'm not going to be fast enough. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Why do we do revolving doors? A coach is going to get caught. A coach is going to get snagged. To say nothing of claustrophobia. One of the most famous phobias and yet. And yet. Can I ask, why do we do revolving doors? Claustra. Claustra. Oh. She is now, I'm naming my daughter that. Yeah. This is my daughter, claustrophobia Rogers. I'm changing my daughter's name right now. Yeah. Listen. Are you comfortable with your new name, Claustra? Claustra. But do you know, I don't know why I'm turning to you to answer this question. Why do we have revolving doors? I think it's to regulate the influx and a sort of. I knew he would know. But I'm just making this up. Or sort of the, I don't know why I'm turning to you to answer this question. Or sort of the, what's the word? It starts with an E. Burn. Burn. What's the word? Burn. Anyway. Anyway. I'm not sure why. I think you might be in the ballpark. Something. To regulate. Egress. Egress is what I meant. Egress. Egress and regulation. Oh, he's got all the words. No, no, no. You believe English is his third language? Did you know that? When you listened to the speech at the Governor's Awards, he was speaking in his third language. Everybody calm down. Shut up. I refuse to calm down. You need to calm down. Before we go into Bowens, I don't think so, honey. What was the experience of starring in Bejeweled, the music video with Taylor Swift? Amazing. Amazing. Thought you wouldn't ask. I actually, it was in, it was, it was in like the, the secretaries went through the file cabinets of my mind and found that file at the last second. And they said, Matt, Matt. And I just needed to know if it was. You heard egress and it just like broke off. Because I thought that's a very Swiftian word. I don't know if she's used egress yet. She probably has. It has to be in a song. It's probably on Folklore. It has to be. It has to be on Folklore. And she's used the word egress. My favorite record. It's so good. So good. It is my favorite record of hers. It's absolutely brilliant. And the thing that I always say about Folklore is it's there for you when you need it. It is. In every circumstance. Yeah. Oh. Truly. Truly. How about that the world worships her and I had to just hate on her. Yeah. Like there was even a kick. Like there were certain things I'm sure that weren't used because we were playing. We knew it was a good faith. And she's an amazing director, by the way. An amazing director. Because she makes decisions. Makes decisions. Would have fixed that for us. Indoor, outdoor. Absolutely. By the way. She'd be like, oh no. By the way, she could say it today and it would change forever. It would. It would be like when she spoke up for Spotify or against whatever it was. She did the right thing. She went in when you're supposed to go in. She knows you push in a door. Yes. I know that about Taylor. But yeah, no, I also like you were the star of a lot of B-roll during the Eris tour, the influx of people coming in. That was an amazing experience. We actually went to the first show. Oh, you did? We were in Phoenix. It was incredible. And it just, it was wild. First audience for that. Wow. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, wow. Yes, you watched the Eris tour begin. Yeah, begin. Yes. And like breaking it down after and hearing the ins and outs of notes and just like, and her genius brain. Which you can now see in the documentary. Oh, my God. It's so cool. Oh, my God. It's a really, it was a good watch. Yeah, yeah. But for now, we're focusing on one. One minute. Specifically Bowen Yang's one minute. Because this is Bowen Yang's I Don't Think So Honey. Now, do you have a topic ready in mind? I do. It's, it's, it'll, it'll get there. But everybody walk with me on this. Let's all walk with Bowen. Okay. This is Bowen Yang's I Don't Think So Honey. His time starts now. I Don't Think So Honey. What happened to underwater basket weaving? It's like a punchline of like, oh, it's a, it's a college class that no one in their right mind would take. Make it a real thing. I know it's a real thing. Use kelp. Make a little wicker, a little, a little lattice. Some, I know it's a real thing, but let's actually popularize it instead of making it a punchline. Like I, when the first time I heard the words underwater basket weaving, I was like 14 years old talking to college counselors, but I was like, but wait, do you guys offer that? Because I would gladly take, I regret being an NYU alum that they did not offer that. Even though we had a great swimming team. We, I think they were, we had a swimming. We had the facilities to. Have an underwater basket weaving course. And it was never offered to us in earnest. I think let's just really bring the whimsy back to our campuses across this country. Let's just make it fun. College just sounds so stressful now. Look, they're not even writing papers anymore. Let, let, let, let them do it. Let them weave. And that's one on it. Let them weave. Let them weave. Sometimes the dichotomy between us just shakes me because I just said doors should push in and Bowen used the word lattice in reference. To underwater basket weaving. Two syllable word. Which I didn't know. Lattice work with kelp. By the way. But first of all, you're so right. It's too stressful. Yes. You're so right. And I say swim teams across the country should be required to have underwater basket weaving for like their, their break time. Yes. It's, it's too stressful. It's too stressful. It is a meditative experience. Thank you for agreeing with us emphatically on this. Amen. I'm signing Jaya up. Oh, you hear that? NYU doesn't even know they offer that, but they do now. They do now. Now she's being your publicist. Okay. She's making your decisions. Your Dean. Mom, you called the school and told them they had to offer. Now, now, now I'm the captain of the basket weaving club for underwater. They were like, your mother said we had to have it. Not bad. Honestly, I think we both made salient points and now we turn to our guest who's going to tear this up. Oh my God, guys. You're going to do great. You're going to do amazing. Are you ready? I am. Okay. This is. And you'll say 30 seconds. We were going to, we're going to, this is Laura turns. I don't think so, honey. And her time starts now. Shared public spaces are not just for you. A crosswalk means we're waiting. We're being generous. Our cars are stopped. Take your time, but get across the street. Of course. You know what I'm saying? You've already got your Starbucks. This isn't your Abbey road, Jessica. Get across the street. Move, move. People who are like, you know, walking and they go 30 seconds. Thank you. And they kind of move quickly. And then there are people who are like, they drop something. They go sort of back a little. And then this is disgusting. Can't stand it. How about by the way, in the airport. 15 seconds. Happened. Here we go. Clipping. Nails. As the nail is like flying into your face. Someone clipping, clipping their toenails. This is David Lynch. In the airport. How about inside a movie theater watching Wolves of Wall Street. Margot Robbie comes on the screen. The guy goes, she looks just like Sarah. My best friend, Sarah. Margot Robbie looks like Sarah. You know what? Fuck you. I'm like, guys, we're in a movie theater. We don't want to hear about Sarah. We want to watch Margot Robbie. This is the beginning of her career. Exactly. We're watching the birth of a movie star. Public goods are meant to be shared in. Yes. Exactly. Green means go. Green means go. As Taylor Swift once said, welcome to New York. It's been waiting for you. But I'm not waiting for you to cross the street. It's waiting for you to move at our pace. Yeah. We're not in Kansas anymore. Call back. Oh, yeah. Oh, wow. It was famously once said, we're not in Kansas. Kansas anymore. So you actually do have to lift those knees. You got to. Yeah. So it's for me, it's kind of like when people are loud on the phone in a space where there's like four other people. Oh, my God. I was going to talk about that. I see. Restaurant, like a romantic night. Yeah. Right next to you. And they're mad. Right. On the phone. Being fired. I get it. Being fired. Being fired. Well, yeah. It's their anniversary. Step out to be fired. It's actually real culture number 100. Get some fresh air. But guess what? If you're going to have to do that, the door should go out. You don't want to be fired, have to leave so upset. And then the door keeps coming in. There's the door. There's the door. You're like, I'm trying to get out to be fired, guys. And I can't get out. That's a public. That's a that's a courtesy for the rest of you. It's a courtesy. And you're crying and you're like, I've lost your gig. I want to say also the fact that we got a little dose of your characteristic anger right there. The rage was the rage came. That was beautiful. That was a treat and a half. Can I just tell you, you nailed it. You came in here and I'm like, do people get nervous? Do people get nervous? The elbow started going. I was like, you're going to kill this. And you did. But because it genuinely pisses me off. Yes. And there you go. And that's the whole point. That's the whole point. And now you're on the other side of it. You found the truth. Be in your truth. Be in your truth. You guys gift me the truth. You gift me that. And you gift us with so much. You gift us with so much. And including your time today. And this has been the coolest. Getting to know you is awesome. And I remember I showed up on Palm Royale and yes, was in all the makeup and everything. And then you came and you weren't acting that day. You were just there as a producer and you came and you were, I could hear you giving like feedback off camera. And I just thought it was so cool. You're so multifaceted. You're so good at so many different things that you do that people don't even think about that you're doing. You're doing because the, it's your reputation proceeds and it is dead ass. Thank you. Guess what? You know what I'm going to do next time I'm here? What? I'm going to bring you a woven basket. That you made underwater? Oh, you know it. A lattice kelp. A kelp lattice. Yes. It's going to be beautiful. I mean, Jaya will have made it in her class. Of course. I'll take credit. You'll take credit for it. Of course. That's what mothers do. Good mothers. This is Hollywood. This is Hollywood after all. After all. Look what I made for you. We'll see you at the Culture Awards. With the woven basket. Guys. Yeah. You're going to have another huge trophy to put in your mudroom. That's the truth. That is the truth. And this one will be too heavy to break. Was your museum award glass? I think it was. It was gold. Oh, it was gold. You know what they would give the people the years before us? A tiny silver Oscar statue. And then what they gave to us. Us in our class. I'm not. I'm not noting it. I'm just pointing this out like a solid gold, like ice cream cone, which is sitting beautifully on my bookshelf. But I did look at the chrome Oscar, this chrome silver Oscar that, you know, Paul Meskel has. And I'm like, that's cool. But that's cool. But the gold is better. The gold is better. Well, the gold is better because that's a real Oscar. We refer to his as a vibes Oscar. It's a vibes Oscar. Yeah. We love your vibe so far in your career. We're going to give you this thing. It's not an Oscar, but we are the Academy. Should the Oscars change it to the Olympic formula where you get a bronze, a silver and a gold? Honestly, though. Not bad. I don't think it's. Well, because then it's like. Everyone's a winner. But you got the bronze. I do think about that. So we were we were at the Oscars last year and Best Actress happened. And I thought you were going to say, and we won Best Actress. And we won Best Actress. I was so excited. No one even said anything. I know. I'm like, I don't remember that. And that's the greatest moment in cultural history, which, by the way, we're not stopping till the two of you win Best Actress. It's the same performance. Yeah, let's go. That's what we know. We've really come a long way. You guys are going to do this. We're going to do it. By the way, we were there. I'm going to produce it. I'm coming up with it. And Mikey Madison won. And we were all like, oh, my God, she won. But that means Demi lost. Oh, no. And I was like, once you're when you're in the room and you're kind of like feeling that happened, you're like, oh, everyone should win. Why are we doing this? I know. And what face should I make? Because I am in grief and joy. You've had to do faces for all all different variations of it. I've loved seeing. people who like go with the the joke that are like yeah David Lynch did that at one year when it happened which I thought was so good well thank you so much again thanks you guys oh my god I've had the time of my life we've had a blast and a half this spanned all conversational tones in the best way thank you we end every episode with a song best believe I'm still bejeweled when I walk in the room I can still make the whole place shimmer to see our guest shimmer see one of her thousands of films out right now including is this thing on and watch her kick Taylor Swift in the bejeweled video outtakes yeah stream Pomp Royale yeah Las Culturitas is a production by Will Ferrell's Big Money Players and iHeartRadio podcast created and hosted by Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang executive produced by Anna Hosnier and produced by Becker Ramos edited and mixed by Doug Bain and our music is by Henry Komerski this ad is sponsored by Veve Healthcare everybody who's considering injectable prep listen up not all injectable prep options are the same you gotta talk to your doctor about it and you gotta ask the right questions is there an option that fits your lifestyle what about other meds and injection site reactions these are some questions your doctor has the answers start the conversation in the meantime visit getprepwisdom.com introducing M&M's caramel you already love now popped into a totally new texture I'd say M&M's are one of those truly iconic snacks they've just launched a brand new freeze dried innovation that brings a whole new vibe to the M&M lineup I mean come on what's not to love about M&M's M&M's continues to be that girl the crunch is unexpected in the best way way crisper than you'd think like you bite into one and there's the little pop that's it you don't see coming from something that still tastes like classic M&M's caramel the best part is they've got that classic M&M's caramel flavor it's available in stores now every friend group has that one person who puts their card down for brunch and sends the Venmo requests if that's you and your Venmo balance is poppin you need a Venmo debit mastercard so that you can spend your balance instantly no transferring anything no waiting around so as soon as you get paid back for brunch you can pay for those concert tickets you've been eyeing or put it toward your next night out plus there's no monthly fee or minimum balance learn more about the Venmo debit card at venmo.com forward slash card Venmo balance account required to get the card and use a balance effective November 1st, 2026 the Venmo mastercard is issued by the Bancorp Bank N.A. readers quick but important announcement Virgin Voyages is not just a cruise it's a statement adults only immaculate vibes over 20 eateries epic entertainment fitness classes Wi-Fi all included we love transparency they're selling the Caribbean the Med the West Coast and now Alaska so whether it's sun-drenched golden hour or full glacier core main character energy they said range and with all the awards they've won the ships might sweep our culture awards sleigh of the sea excellence in poolside looks outstanding achievement in top deck behavior Virgin Voyages sailors consider yourselves called book it at virginvoyages.com or let your travel advisor handle it either way you're welcome this is an iHeart podcast guaranteed human