The Manning Passing Academy: MVPs, 2027 QB Lessons, Camp Surprises, and More

if you've been following along we're two parts into a seven-part series called building the board the 2027 quarterback class well consider this a bonus episode it's a review of the manning passing academy and i got news for you just 304 days until the nfl draft meds you good i'm good man roll that thing tuck what a weekend man you have fun yeah yeah good manning passing academy flying to new orleans drive over to tibideau louisiana through the the sugar fields you know nice feel like all the countries all the country's sugar is is made in that area at least a good portion this episode is brought to you by nintendo when you've got different ages different interests and a busy schedule finding something everyone can enjoy is a win the nintendo switch to system gives you options with games like mario kart world donkey kong bonanza and ea sports fc20 two controllers are included so you can start playing together right away and many existing nintendo switch games also work on nintendo 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traveling my parents worked for delta airlines right i've been traveling since i don't know like maybe one years old uh flying is not it's like you know getting in a car for me steve steve and marissa it's kind of a different adventure let's just put it that way um so they get they get very nervous we've going to chicago last year for our for our live show we had a an aborted landing and there's and there's still it's like it was like my wheels touched big shea wheels wheels touched usually that doesn't happen so i so i i'm not i'm not a raw dog guy like mensch he he's a raw dog guy uh as people like to say no phone no no devices no work uh flight attendants come up and down would you like a drink would you like a snack no thank you uh mensch is like this i watched the flight the flight tracker that's a flight tracker right so i sent a screenshot to marissa and steve of um of the flight tracker i noticed and i didn't even i was i flew with my 11 year old son tate and he came down for the weekend awesome time once in a lifetime experience right so um i he's still to this moment doesn't know what happened in the middle of the flight literally halfway through the flight i'm not even halfway maybe a third of the way through the flight from new orleans to boston direct flight um all of a sudden like i feel the plane just like like we must have descended i don't know like 10 000 feet in in less than less than a lot of time and then we take a sharp left but then we take a sharp left turn so i i'm just playing it cool i my dad worked like i've been around a lot i know a lot of the stories so i don't say but eventually when everything kind of levels off and we circle around i hit the flight tracker just to see what happened and i've never seen a flight tracker like this before like sometimes you get around the airport and you have to and maybe there's like a delay in landing or maybe a lightning storm or something and so you circle around not midway through the flight that's the first for me the flight tracker literally is like a straight line from new orleans to boston and all of a sudden in like the atlanta area it's like circle and then right back up so yeah that was an experience so i texted mentioned no thank you yeah he was nervous he was nervous from the ground yes so yeah so it was an awesome weekend the manning passing academy is is a special deal uh we were there for for three days had an awesome time but i there's i don't want to oversell it and today we're going to do basically just do a review of what we saw there there's just a lot to to glean from it there's a lot to discuss like during the day it's two sets of um it's a camp 1500 high school basically high school students some eighth graders and what happens is you've got college coaches from around the country mostly like quarterback coaches quarterback gurus different guys and then also mixed in as the coaching staff are some of the 40 plus mostly of the top quarterbacks in the country that i help arch archie with archie manning um with putting that list together every year i have for a long time and so he and like there's a there's a group of us that help and give suggestions and then he he invites all these quarterbacks to come some couldn't come every year it's the same deal different reasons like dante moore was i believe in like asia with the with one of his coaches or something um lenora sellers i think with a new new um offensive coordinator and kendall bryles probably need to be locked in like mendoza was with signetti last year uh sam levitt was still kind of going to be there for the rest of the coming back from an injury didn't want to go down there and do all that uh the cal freshman sensation uh was was not able to come dj lagway i thought he was going to be there didn't i didn't get any um reasoning on why but he wasn't there amalia so that there are a handful of guys that weren't there but the the vast majority of guys in a loaded quarterback class and even some younger quarterbacks who won't be in this year's draft class were there as camp counselors during the day so they're going through two sessions of practices different you know you go you go from one drill to the next to the next and you have an opportunity with these awesome college players with um with eli and peyton walking around from different stations and you just get to learn and drill in all these all these things right and i'm walking around with my little son who's an aspiring quarterback and he's just like you know taking it in and like so it was it was just cool to do that but then at night there's these seven on sevens and then after the seven on sevens the quarterbacks throw the first night was that eli and peyton they have passing drills and and they all the quarterbacks the college quarterbacks the prospects we're talking about get together and they throw and and they go from station to station with with eli and peyton and then the next night was the the friday night light so the night time is when you get the opportunity to really see these guys throw the ball but during the day you're watching them interact and coach and go through all that stuff and you're talking to a lot of people there were more i i told you last year there were two gms there my knowledge there were five this year interesting yeah ryan ryan poles was back because his son is there he's got his quarterback he's all right with uh with caleb yeah um less need was there um they obviously have their quarterback but he he's friends with the the manning family and he comes down every year um muji was there that surprised interesting never met him in person he's like six five or six fours he's i had no idea all right like that um uh chris greer was there who's now with the detroit lions lions long time miami um dolphin so he he's not a general manager now but he was the gm of the dolphins for a long time he was there um we hung out for a little while he's a great guy um so yeah there was just there were a bunch of nfl people there there were some a couple scouts there kind of working the camp a lot of coaches some insider people like pete thamel was there this year for the first full time that he's been there and he's been there for a long time and he's been in um and there's just a lot of information and a lot of sharing you know and so there even this stuff i'm not seeing with my eyes i'm hearing with my ears so there's a lot of a lot of input you know coming into the system which is which is always cool to gather information and kind of prep us in a different way as we as we get ready to continue our series on uh thursday with um julian saying and cj car that'll be part three of our building building the board the 2027 class and now i've got even more ammunition when it comes to comes to that but today's a good day to take a break talk about the manning passing academy and we'll get right back to our our seven part series all right well don't bury the headline like who is camp mvp who was walking home with the t-shirt the the trophy that they hand out at all these camps i know they don't actually do that but the todd mcshay camp manning passing academy mvp 2026 is cj car notre dame wasn't even close wasn't even close julian saying was there and there the arch manning was there and there were a lot of other guys that were exceptional And I say that his performance in throwing the football was like that's the jumping off point. Man, like I know he's Lloyd Carr's grandson and he's been around the game his whole life. And we've watched his tape and we're going to dive in even more for Thursday and get into all the nitty gritty, right? The areas he can improve, what his strengths are, all of it. Man, like when you think about like Brady and Breeze and you think about like the modern day, even like Mendoza last year, you're talking about like repetitive, like repeatable form mechanics. It's like, I don't want to say robotic because he's not a robotic player, but like when it comes to footwork, timing, ball out, just standing there, watching him even like warming up. Like hands here, bang, hand here. So, and yeah, it's not pads. There's no defense and all that. I get it. I'm not over, I'm not going to oversell it. But he, you always look for what's different, whether it's the senior bowl, combine, but more so like all-star games or just on tape. The, how easy his stroke is, how mechanical, and I don't mean that in like a robotic way. I mean it like, he just, what? What's supposed to be hit is hit, when the ball is supposed to be out, it's out. And then you watch him, and then I watched him, and I think we have a clip here of him, of him coaching. And like, listen, I'll be the first to admit, like I was blown away by, by a couple, like Nussmeyer was awesome last year at camp. And, and Clubnick, Clubnick, Clubnick was great with the, with the young men and was so engaged. They all were really good. Like they, the commitment of time and, and what they have to do, like all these young men, the fact that they're giving their time and giving back is an awesome thing. Okay. But to watch CJ Carr coaching of like the seven-on-sevens, right, specifically, and, and coaching up his quarterbacks and what the reads are and like the safety and like this, this high, and then going on the defensive side. And this is where I'm like, oh yeah, Greg, he was around Gramps, you know? He, he, like, he grew up. Because I, I, I went to Lloyd. Carr's football camp in Michigan when I was in high school. Like, so I, you can just see it pass down. He's now in the back of the defense, right? Talking to the safeties and the DBs as they're getting ready for, as they're getting ready to, like, for, for the next snap and seven-on-sevens. And he's talking about like leverage points at the corners. He's getting everyone lined up. He's kind of predicting based off of formation where it was wild. It was wild to see his, what's between his ears. I mean, it was wild to see his ears in terms of the game of football and then to watch him throw the football and everything he did. I mean, whether it was the one-on-ones, whether it was the Eli and Peyton stuff. And you can always, like, Peyton was going to him. All right, we're going to, let's run this play-action thing. CJ, come here. You, you show him, you know? And so that, that's like an indicator when, when Eli and Peyton know who the guy is, that tells you something. And then the next night, Friday night, he's like, he's, he's hitting every single thing. And he didn't wind up winning the whole thing, which doesn't really matter. Cause there's like different way. Like you can hit the 4.1 and, and get the most points. But like, in terms of just hitting targets and, and being on car jumped out to me in every way, shape and form. I view him a little differently, just seeing the way he carries himself and seeing the way he understands the game. And then seeing how mechanically like refined he is. I now have a little bit of a different lens in which I'm viewing CJ car. Oh, and then talking to people and then talking to like everyone around. It's the first name that came up. Was always, I'm just asking question and absorb questions and absorb. Yeah. Like Jake Delome is there, right? He was one of the first four people. It was Peyton and Eli and Delome and, um, and Brandon Stokely were the first four 30 years ago. At the Manning passing Academy, when they first started it 30 years ago, Peyton had gone, had gone to Bobby Bowden's camp and came back and was like, dad, yeah, it was a good camp. And I respect Bobby a lot. We should have a camp just for quarterbacks. And so the next year they did it and they had four college players who were counselors and it was those four. And so Delome came back at the 30 year, 30 year anniversary and he coaches, I think high school. And he was awesome. He loves our show, by the way, he loves, loves you. He listens. He listens. And, uh, he, he definitely, um, he checked in last year's Manning passing Academy summary and I'm sure he will hear. So, so a big thanks to Jake, but just listening to guys like that who are there and have no skin in the game and are just kind of going around and walking and talking to people and observing just he, he was one of many. I spoke to, it was like, you see CJ today, like that's different. You know, did you, did you get a sense? The players were gravitating towards him, that the players had a sense that this was, this was. Was his, his time that, that this was the guy at the camp. Yeah. Yes, absolutely. Yes. And I'm, I pause for a second because I'm thinking back, like Nussmeier was more like, like swagger and like, you know what I mean? And having to think about him where it's like, he was like CJ car. It's not quiet confidence, but it's just like, doesn't, you know, doesn't, doesn't need to. Be overly vocal with the other stuff. It's like football confidence. Like there's nothing here that I don't know that I'm not like masterclass in and let's go, you know? So the answer is yes. He, he was absolutely the alpha dog, but not, not trying to be the alpha dog. Just right. What? Just what? Cause that's just who he is. You know? That's yeah. That's great. That's the kind of stuff that you're, that's invaluable to see how that works. Uh, logistically, if I'm listening to you right now, say 40 quarterbacks, they're coaching the kids during the day. You get into these night sessions, a little seven on seven, some competition stuff. How much are you really seeing one of these guys throw? And I'm wondering, and tell me if I'm wrong. And I mean, no offense to some of these other quarterbacks who might be younger and they might have to wait. Are this, are some of the quarterbacks given priority in terms of reps or is it you only get to see them? Make 10 throws? Maybe in a session? How does that all work? It's not a, it's not a thousand throws. It's not a senior bowl. I promise you. So that's why I started this whole thing with that. Like let's not overstate. There is no priority, right? There's no priority. So everyone gets reps. Everyone gets reps a good amount, but not seeing your bowl where you, for three straight days, you're seeing him throw right on one, seven on sevens, team drill. It's, it's not the same experience. But it, but it's the first experience to see these guys, a lot of them live a B first time seeing them. You got to remember their season ended in December, January, you know? So you got all these months, months now we're getting bigger, stronger, working on mechanics. Like this is, this is our only sneak peak outside of like, we'll get, we'll get ready for training kit, but like really the only sneak peak that you and I are going to get. And a lot of people are going to get before they, they put on pads and go play for their university this fall. And so just to see who's making progress. And then for a lot of them, I was like, Oh, he looks different or man, he's bulked up or, you know, like just, it's just an opportunity there. So it's, I wasn't going to ask this. Yeah, go ahead. But you make the point Julian saying the quarterback from Ohio state, I thought, I mean, there's some things I really love about his, his freshman tape. I thought he needed to get bigger and stronger. I was one of the things I felt about him. Did you see him make kind of that progress? He doesn't have a big frame. So I think he's got it's it's never, he's never going to be a big quarterback, but how, what frame wise, what did he look like? You know, what's interesting. That's different from growing up. There's two things I've noticed about quarterbacks now that I've like I go to the M2 QB, right? And that's in a lot of guys in the, in Massachusetts, Maryland area. That's like their spot. We're like down in mobile. It's like QB country and like all throughout the country. There are, there are different like places to go that help train quarterbacks, right? They're all, the first thing is they're all teaching the same mechanics. And I was talking to, and I'll get, I'll get into, um, the, the Brown quarterback. We'll tell you, we'll talk to you more about him later on. I make, um, but his dad, Jimmy Murphy, right? James Murphy is his son, Jimmy Murphy. Um, we actually played against him. I don't know if you remember. I played, I mean, we, we were, we were freshmen and we weren't actually on the field, but he, he got knocked out and he had Richmond, um, Northeastern game. Um, and I, uh, interestingly enough, he said that like the whole team flew back. He had to stay overnight in a Richmond hospital. He woke up and, and, uh, Jim Reed, our coach was there. And I was like, of course he was like, that's, but anyway, so we, he and I were talking, he and I were talking and, um, he's like, he's like, you know, I, I, someone said something about sidearm and he's like, yeah, I like my son is, is going into fourth year starter at Brown. And I feel like, I feel like a jackass. Cause I was telling him his whole life, like get your arm up over the top. They all are doing the same thing. It's all low and it's the right thing. Right. And it doesn't matter if your arm slots a little lower because it's about your hip rotation, short stride, hip rotation, keeping balance, not, not total, not dissimilar at all, really from a, like a golf swing or from like a great, a great at bat. Right. Yep. And so with all these years, it started with like Tom house, but it's, it's continued to develop all these quarterbacks. Now you go and watch, it's like, it's almost like this robotic thing. Like we're like into the future where it's like you get a 1500 quarterbacks are all warming up the same way. It's like, you know, like short stride, just rotating, ripping through, finishing with the same thing, arm here, you know? Yeah. And, but the arm angles can be, can be here. It doesn't matter. It used to be come over the top. And so it's, that's interesting. The second part would led me to all this is the lower bodies of all of these quarterbacks are so different than what they used to be. And eat like, like Baker, Mayfield was one. I don't want to say the first, but like, they don't have to be ripped. Like Brady wasn't ripped. A lot of guys like the, the upper bodies, it's about flexibility. This, it's like the golf swing, everyone, you know, it's pictured as a rope. This is like the conduit that you're like, you're, you're getting all your power from here and the core and lower and the upper body needs to be flexible. Right. Right. And so watching all the, the, the feels weird saying this, but like studying the, the, the body types, like everyone is ripped in the lower strong cord ripped in the lower. And like, not a lot of, not everybody, cause we'll get to, we'll get to John Mateer, get to a couple. Yeah. The lower bodies look a lot more linebacker full back than they ever did. Let's put it that way. You know? So nobody's skipping leg day anymore. No one's nobody. No, they're all just like ripped. You know, it's pretty wide. Is that what you saw was saying? Saying yes. Thank you for getting me back. Specifically saying specifically looks like thicker, stronger, lower body. And a lot of these guys did. That's the big difference. Like all of them looked CJ car. Interestingly enough, probably I would say, I don't want to say like the leanest lower, but even hit like from afar, I was like, Oh, he's not as like, he's not as thick as Mateer and, and, uh, and say, and, and, and Trinidad and all these other guys, but you get up close to him. He is. He's just, it's not like, but he is, it's, you know, all right. We know you love car. Who is the dude that you got down there and just surprise you, you, you know, made you say, huh? Didn't know. Want to watch more of this kid, CJ Bailey. Okay. Why? First of all, when, when guys are listed at six, six and you, and you only watch them on tape, you're like, yeah, he's probably six, four and five eights or something like that. I'll be shocked if he's not right at six, six, or just like maybe a tick shy. He is physically, there's no measurements taken at the Manning passing Academy. No, no, no, no, no, no. But the measurement is a combine type event standing next to him, you know? Right. And, and, and then watching them all stand in a line as, as Peyton or Eli are talking to him or what, and being like, Oh, that guy's an inch plus taller than everybody else, you know? Um, and so what does that mean? Absolutely nothing. But the first takeaway is, Oh, wow. You know, like off the bus type stuff. So he's six, just about six, six, like truly close to six, six, 200. He's about two 20. He's not as, as thick as some of the other guys. And then you start watching him throw. He, to me looks thicker and is, is bulked up from a year ago. The mechanics still aren't perfect, but they look a lot better than what I've seen. And I'm not going to pretend like I've, I've sat down and done a deep dive. Like I have with Dante or arch or car or saying, or, or, or sores be your sellers, but I've watched enough of him to know what I was watching down in Thibodeau was different mechanically than what I had seen. And then you watch him roll out, right? Like a lot of the stuff that Peyton was doing Peyton state Eli's station was more like short, like three-step five-step precision, right? Yeah. Peyton stuff, ironically was more play action moving in the pocket, rolling, right, rolling, left, all that stuff. And so just watching him and the way the ball jumps off his hand. I love it. And, and, and he's going to be 20, 28 class, right? Is what it's looking like, but I'm, I'm fired up and I don't know what NC state looks like this year. And it doesn't appear that they're going to, you know, that they're making any legitimate run at the national championship, but I I'd be scared to play him. I tell you that much, like I'd be scared to play dangerous. I love that. Yeah. Awesome. Do you awesome do? Oh, really? Yeah. Yeah. We should say North Carolina state, by the way, we should just mention that, uh, any other guys that were kind of those freaks that, you know, might be on the Bruce Feldman list or the McShay list. Maybe we'll come up with a freaks list for McShay for quarterbacks. Any other players that really jumped out in that regard? There were two men. There were two that like, they're both raw. They're both not like the polished finished version yet, but I'm excited to watch Camario Taylor, the Mississippi state quarterback. And then, uh, then he's six, four, two 30 rifle arm. That's big, man. And just like, excuse me, every once in a while, I just have this flashback of like, playing high school safety. Right. And I'm just looking at this guy walking towards me at one point, going like coming off the field, going past me. And I'm like, I can't even imagine having to like open field, you know, you, you cover up his four receivers out there. Yeah. He takes off running. And now you got this poor safety. You six foot 200. And he's got a full head of steam and you got a bow your neck and he's a truck. He's an absolute truck and he runs well. And he's got a, he can just rip the football. The other guy, I would argue similar build. The other guy's six, five, two 31. So an inch taller, basically same weight Malik Washington from Maryland. He had a sensational freshman year. Right. Uh, talking to Thamel and some other people, it's like, and with all, with all due to respect, Scott van Pelton and all my Terp friends, Todd Klein's Maryland Terp. Uh, there's, there's a high anticipation that he could be, as someone said to me, uh, upwards of maybe $7 million NIL quarterback a year from now going somewhere else. Yeah. Yeah. So, so Washington, so Washington alumnus, I think it's time to, um, decide if, if we're ready to pony up because if he builds off of what he did last year just watching him physically nobody had his arm nobody huh and he's that big and he's mobile when he at one point during the uh friday night lights the best part of the whole deal is on friday night you've got all like all the the camp um the campers go through their two practices then they have seven on sevens and then like the like the light i told you last year it's like it was literally like field of dreams like the first time i saw it last year i was like goosebumps like almost like i don't want to get overly but i was like a little emotional like this is the purest thing and there were no cameras there there was nothing going on this was this year was a little different um because it was the 30th anniversary and so um nfl films was there doing a special on it so we had to kind of i wasn't like standing next to cooper i was on the sideline so still had awesome you know vantage point of everything but um there were a little bit of like a lot of stuff going on in the middle of the year so it was a lot of fun to get the opportunity to get the video to produce this i'm sure unbelievable special and even thamel was down there because it's one place where you can get all the generations of mannings together in one place and interview them from archie hall of fame to peyton and eli cooper arch you know um so so there was a little bit more national media buzz so it didn't feel quite as as just like hey we're in a cornfield and all of a sudden you pop up some lights and a fire and all that kind of stuff so it's a little bit different than what we've seen over the years but i think field and and here we are but the outside of it just being this special venue and like you look around you're like i'm watching like 40 of the best college quarterbacks a bunch of these guys are gonna be nfl guys and they're just out having fun throwing hitting targets and competing right um but cooper manning mc is the thing and he's like legit funny not like not like oh he's football funny like he's like could be a stand-up comedian you know and and just just watching him like get into get into every every single player and take shots and mispronounce names and schools and all of it purpose to get the laugh and um and he and he tests the boundaries like a good comedian too like there are a couple things where i'm like and you get all the parents of the campers and the people from the town on one side of the stands uh at nickel nickel state and all the campers on the other side uh but i say all this because cooper when one deep ball like they finish the first part of the friday night lights it's called air it out um they go through like you know a quick slant or like a curl route then an out route and then an in cutting route and then they do posts and deep in nine routes malik uh washington threw this ball uh it it was probably 50 something yards in the air but he was like and and a deep punt you know like it the ball came out and it wasn't like it was too high on it was just like the trajectory was so different because he's able to with the arm the the energy and you're watching and that was the first time because i'm kind of videotaping some of the stuff that you see on here and all of a sudden my neck was like whoa you know it was my first wow moment of the week there was watching malik throw a deep ball like he's just he's got a different level of talent this episode is brought to you by tic-tac lace up and get your game on because the tic-tac lineup just got a new teammate dr pepper tic-tac my daughter alair can hear me in this house right now she eats them every single day this new double threat puts two of your favorite flavors into one box of mints and when two iconic flavors come together the result can only be iconic score big try dr pepper tic-tac today this episode is brought to you by 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dining only for a limited time at participating locations restrictions apply copyright 2026 applebee's restaurant llc all right kind of the elephant in the room you mentioned you you talked about the mannings just now the generations i saw a clip on x that i just kind of surprised me man were some campers or it sounds like they're booing arch what was what was the what was going on with arch and i mean it's just like what this kid has to deal with right yeah yeah or example yes it there were a couple brief times where there were like maybe 10 or 15 punk campers and i mean i sound like an old man who just and and these are the same they clearly like the most beloved player there was trinidad chambliss which was really cool to see like i think people just appreciate and maybe there maybe it was just a group of old miss fans right and they just were right decided that they were going to dig into the fellow sec quarterback maybe it was some nepo stuff i don't know um but yeah there were a couple times where they just decided to we're going to take this opportunity as a camper at the manning passing academy where we have been hosted for a like a very reasonable price compared to other camps that you go to i get to work with eli i get to work with peyton i get to work with with 40 of the top college quarterbacks i have an opportunity that most kids would die for and there's 1400 that are allowed in and they have to turn turn away probably over a thousand other it's first come first serve it is not there to funnel players to old miss or to tennessee uh which is where archie and and eli and peyton respectively went to school um it is there just to serve young men because they decided they thought they could do a good job maybe not better than everyone but a really good job of showing quarterbacks how eli and peyton prepared and what led to some of their success and some of the drills that they did um they're they're giving back right and so to watch i don't know 15 or so kids that are there being offered this opportunity and that's their response it's kind of like yeah that's on them um it was not acknowledged it was not like cooper's that's his dad yeah you know picture you with with your son or me with my son and like all of a sudden he's like and we're hosting something and like giving back to the community so i don't want to even like give it a lot of whatever um yeah yeah arch like it's a different it's a different experience for arch there right because he's like hosting with his family and i think out of respect he didn't even the thursday night deal he um he didn't even it's like he gets to work with his uncles basically whenever he wants to so let let everybody else get the opportunity to go so the only time i saw him throw and we didn't stay for saturday night we came back on saturday um the only the first time i saw him throw arch throw was at that friday night lights and it's just throwing some different drills he like the first real throw was kind of an outbreaker and he kind of air mailed it a little bit it was literally his first throw right he hadn't thrown the night before and so he's like he missed i don't want to say air he missed high and so they're boo you know it's like get out of here you know and he looked great the rest of the time he also went through off-season foot surgery i don't think we've we've covered that i didn't know that um bulked up to 236 pounds was kind of you know obviously couldn't like run and work out and do all that stuff was trying to see if he wanted to carry that weight decided it was like he didn't feel right he's dropped back down to like 226 somewhere in that range looks great like looks physically great humble like all the stuff i've told you about just like good dude everyone flocks to him um but but does a really good job of not making the camp about him to the point where i i i stopped down and i i made it a a teaching moment for my own son you know but yeah hey this this thing's about the mannings and they could make it about the mannings but they make it about everybody else including arch and i told him i said i want you to i want you to watch arch the way he carries himself and how he doesn't make this about him and he's not you know he's not acting the clown or he's not like playing it up he's just he's trying to blend in do his job and and then kind of get out of the way so that everyone else that's there can get a the the work they need to get done but be shed shine the light on them i i get enough light on me you know yeah in austin and everywhere else i go so i thought that was a really cool thing to watch for march this week talk to me about show favorite uh oklahoma quarterback john matier because i i really don't understand you mentioned the freaks and you didn't bring up matier i saw a picture of matier working out and there it is my lord my lord how is that not one of your freaks man even peyton's like what and cooper came on he's like he's like it's it's pitch black out and he's still got his shades on honestly this dude's just a character he's just a character i'm here for like and not in a not a clown show character no no no no he is who he is and and it's kind of like naggy was telling me about like you like it's just like grinder hard worker does all the right things but also rolls in and like ripped t-shirts and like he's just he's not conforming to anything now and like yeah that picture's awesome it's awesome the the shades on ripped cut off you know the sleeveless shirt i got it so i'm going to show it i mean i'm gonna i'm not gonna lie though like i've got a weird thing with like don't get i just told you like get your lower body get your upper body flexible that's what i was gonna ask you you worried about it a little bit i wasn't watching him throw a little bit like that dude's yoked and so was so was brady quinn so was tim tebow so was will levis so it's interesting to watch i'll say this from matier the first night um the first time i got to see him throw very first throw rolls out to his right and just he air mailed it yeah i said that about our arch missed high he air mailed one and i was like oh gosh no you gotta remember like who he what he was at washington state just ripping the ball all over the field what he was against michigan and early in the auburn game and i forget who they opened up with same stuff yeah he's gonna make a material mistake have a material moment but he's gonna drill drill the ball in the spots he is fearless all those things right um and then the thumb injury happens and then he comes back against texas and he was never the same he looked a lot better i thought in the the um the postseason game the um the playoff game against alabama but still wasn't the same exact guy as he was pre-injury so i see that first throw and i'm like oh man you know because he is a show favorite and and he is our guy connor brought him to our you know brought brought brought the piece of paper across the desk like you got to watch the midnight snack you know in the in the pack and it refuses to sell stock that that was his latest comment i'm never selling stock i'm a deer right i love that because because he knows my thing with bulked up quarterbacks and so he's like yeah look at the picture are you worried i'm like yep a little bit but like love him he's like i don't sell stock um so um that's kind of the thumbs a non-issue at this point right the injury to the throwing thumb that was my point it was the the first throw i'm like oh is it still a deal you know i wasn't worried about the best i was worried like and then the rest of the time he he looked he looked really good i mean he okay you know he's not perfect um but he i i didn't notice anything where i was like uh he's not he's still not back or anything like that so i'm pumped to see him this year um he's definitely got he's got a lot of potential um he's got a lot of potential but again not like a loud brat like that picture looks like he's trying to be like jim mcmahon sorry showing my age or like he's trying to be something and he's like that's so good that's so mcmahon right there right but that's not who he is he's kind of kind of a quiet confidence go about his business and all that but um but yeah i'm fired up to see what he does this year but i'm but i'd be lying if i said i wasn't like a little bit worried about like that's not the upper body of you know of name your quarterback from mahomes to allen to lamar to yeah none of them look like that so it'll be interesting to say it's true look what kind of jumps out to me we talk about the materials we talk about the mannings and the cars and the saiyans 40 quarterbacks good say and looked good i i don't we'll get into more later this week okay all right go ahead go in our next show we'll get into them i i and i have a lot to say on saying too what i think is interesting about this is that that many quarterbacks the mannings and the saiyans are the same thing they're the same thing they're the same thing they're the same thing they're the same thing they're the same thing and with your help and i'll give you some credit here you've got some talent they're gonna find you give me a guy that kind of was under the radar that maybe people aren't talking about not one of these big names that you just you kind of jumped out to you and thought this guy can play him in i'd be remiss if i didn't quickly mention marcel reed looked better than i expected okay that's good because the tape of him as a passer now as a competitor as a runner and all that stuff awesome leader human being like five stars right uh as a passer especially watching those those receivers um you know it it was it left a lot to be desired it's a little bit of a roller coaster to be fair it wasn't bryce underwood but it wasn't that far off in terms of guys where you're like the it has to be better than this as a passer right and then he came out and all of a sudden like i've seen like like hitting shot driving the ball down accurate good trajectory and at one point i was like oh that's marcel okay looks a little thicker a little more like confidence in his confidence in his stroke i'm excited to see what that translates to for texas that's great off the radar though i just wanted to mention that because i've done some like i mean my whole thing in the fall was if they're gonna get got it's because marcel and the passing game right right which i think is fair that wasn't on that wasn't it was fair it was fair so if i'm going to be fair i i need to come back and mention i'm very intrigued by what i saw because he clearly is working his tail off to improve in that area um two other guys honestly i didn't i didn't know anything about coming in two guys really jumped out jerry kaminsky from north dakota state six foot two 210 man you love your north dakota state quarterbacks man yeah this is by accident though i i hear you um but i just thought like the friday night lights throughout all the drill he just like consistently i would put him in like if you if you were just grading the manning passing academy which would be a dumb exercise but like i'd put him in the top five of of like all the stuff that i saw so that's notable it's very notable like i i just thought he was really consistent throwing the ball um yeah i just i like the way he played i i think that's a name to just kind of keep keeping the back of our minds um and then the other guy and i mentioned him before james murphy from brown um big tall ivy league quarterback i've actually pete thamel introduced me to him pizza a massachusetts guy uh we're both massachusetts right um he grew up in redding which is like a stone's throw from where you and i grew up basically it's our backyard yeah andover um swamp scott like we're all north north shore and so i was like yeah i'd love to meet him you know it's pretty cool right because you don't hear of a lot of like guys from the north shore going on to to do really good things and then i got talking to him what an unbelievable story man he was he was really tall but lanky didn't get recruited heavily out of out of high school obviously super smart um dad as i mentioned dad played at northeastern played in the nfl for a then played i think in um nfl europe uh met him was on the same flight coming back um just really good guy salt of the earth like just good human beings right son ivy league he's super smart but you could tell talking to him i talked to him for probably i don't know 20 minutes super smart down to earth like um he works with those the m2qb guys you know with mike and alex and those guys i've gotten to know and um just like really humble good dude story's cool and he threw the he threw the ball really well like consistent you know he he's filled out he's a four-year starter now at brown it's this weird it's this weird loophole right not a loophole but it's just there he has four years of eligibility at at in the ivy league and it runs up after this year so he's gonna be a fourth year starter or four fourth year but i think it was a four-year starter in high school i forget what it was this is fourth year it's either three or four year starter at brown and um and they're expected to have a really good season he put up some big numbers last year it's like the best situation for a quarterback in the world because after this year he can't play at brown again but he has this extra year of eligibility so he has an opportunity to hit the transfer portal with his whole team and his head coach and everyone promoting like let's go win an ivy league championship and then let's get to another place to go get that extra year of eligibility you can't play here but we want you to go on and have success so like doing all the right things you know sticking with your program opportunity to leave after this past year i'm gonna see it through at brown but then i get another chance so i'm in i'm intrigued to see what happens to him and just hearing he and pete talk about like the portal and some of the logistics and to make sure that they're he's getting his name out there um and just knowing he's a reading guy from our program and he's getting his name out there in our area and then watching him throw and he's out there competing with all these guys and he's really like he's showing well so that's a name to keep again i know that we're not going to cover the ivy legal out this year but where does he wind up in the portal and could it be this writing kid who goes to brown and now all of a sudden is in the sec or the acc the big 10 you know what i mean so that's a name that's totally off the radar and it's not going to play a major to keep an eye out on an eye out for you know gotcha all right man this is your second year going down there i know you you like to kind of evaluate how you look at things give me something maybe micro something macro that that last year affected the way you approach this and what you take away from it and i'll be honest because you know there's gonna be some scumbags out there you're scumbags out there who are gonna say oh you love this guy last year and You loved that guy last year. Kind of address maybe your second year. You've gone through this a little bit and how that maybe benefited you. Well, I knew last year I went down blindfolded. Right. And Archie's the best, and I have access to everything. And he couldn't be – I talked about a host and the Manning family, but I didn't really know where I was going or anything. I put much more of an emphasis this year on, all right, these are long days. They start at 9 in the morning, and it's 104 degrees. I have no – dude, I looked at the weather. And you can say whatever you want. I'm a weather guy, and if you're a weather guy, you know it's not the humidity. You know it's the dew point. And if the dew point's over 65, you're going to feel it. It was like 94 with a dew point of 76 at 11 o'clock in the morning. I was watching it. It's insane. To be out there that long in those temperatures, I mean, I don't – they must have a medical staff. there and a training staff that's keeping an eye on all these kids. So I, I purposely didn't go on Friday to the first, the first session, which like the college quarterbacks aren't doing anything. They're just working their station with high school kids. I don't need to evaluate like high school quarterbacks at a, at a camp. And I blame Tate for that. Right. I was like, you know, I just don't want to keep an 11 year old boy on that heat all day long. I ain't going like, you know, but we were there from like, from noon. Till 11 o'clock at night. You know, it's not like we had, we were like missing out on anything or like, you know, ducking out. Yeah. He wasn't a day off. And, and literally between every drill, he wanted to get in 40 throws. So I probably threw more passes this weekend with, with Tate than I did like at four years at Richmond or in high school, you know, like, so. Well, I throw with my, my lower body now, so. Shut up. So it was, it was, it was still like, you had to, like, I would, I was prepping Thamel when he went down. I'm like the sunscreen and the hydration. Like, I know it sounds stupid and we're just like standing around watching, but like, it's actually no joke. And, and logistically, yeah, it's a thing. Yeah. So I think just being prepared for like, when the times, when the times were, where I could actually get an eye on these guys, who to talk to, knowing, knowing like. Yeah. Like being at that first meeting and not like sitting next to, to, uh, Chris Greer talking to like, just knowing where to be. Um, I felt like I was scrambling and chasing the first year. This year was like, I need to be here and I'm going to sit in this spot or I'm going to go to this drill. It just, I felt it was a lot, um, easier from a logistic standpoint this year. And knowing that I had to go to, to big Mike's smokehouse barbecue in Thibodeau. Rather than racing back. To New Orleans to try to eat. Um, didn't big Mike wasn't there this year, but little, little Ron was little Ronald. Who's not low. I just assumed that was big. Like he showed me in the back where all the meat, uh, it's one of the best burgers I've had in my life. Really? You go to a barbecue place and you get a burger. He little Ron told me they nine inch handmade. Paddies on the grill. They season it as they turn it. I'm telling you, I didn't even need condiments, man. And then, and then family's telling me to go back to New Orleans to call of port, which is like world renowned, I guess, for their burger. It literally is one competition, like one of the best burgers in the world. We never got there. Cause I, I got stuck on big Mike's smokehouse in Thibodeau. So I just love the small area, you know, hole in the wall. It's not that there's a hole in the wall, it's this big barbecue factory is awesome, but, um, but yeah, so just learning, learn, learning the ins and outs. What about big picture? Anything about when, now that you're home, how do you process this information? How do you appropriately, which I don't, you know, I'm not going to say that you did not do that last year, but is there anything like big picture of this is what I keep an eye on. Maybe it's something of noticing the underclassmen and maybe starting a file on what you saw from those guys this year, comparing it to next year, something like that. Was there anything. Anything you could maybe point to there? Yeah, I, I, maybe like the first year going down there, just like, like all in on, like, oh man, I just love the way club and it carried himself and Nussmeier's and alpha dog and all the, and in retrospect, like, it's just, these are, these are side notes. It's all it is. And I'm interested to see, does anything I saw what matters obviously is the tape and it's always been the baseline. Um, right. But, but these are, these are footnotes. To the tape. And so we'll, we'll see, but, but there, but certainly if car goes on and has the season, I expect them to, it's not a result of what he did at the Manning passing Academy, obviously. And I didn't think that last year, but I now have some background as to, yeah, this is the same guy who's, who's deciphering coverages in 0.3 seconds and relaying and communicating it to all these high school kids and getting everyone lined up. His brain works differently than not all, but, but some. Yeah. And so I've, I've got that in my back pocket and the things that I will continue to share throughout this, um, they're, they're not anything that changes any kind of evaluation, but they're nice little footnotes and, and, you know, accoutrements to, uh, to, to what we're doing. Stop. I just say stuff to piss you off, man. I know you do. And that's, that's great. And all, you know, what I've been dying to ask you, and I really want to know is who did Tate like, who was, was Tata a CJ car guy? Was he an arch guy? Was he, you know, someone completely, Hey man, you got to keep, keep an eye on this quarterback. His favorite human being there was, was Cooper. I left, I left Tate on the, I had to go back to the car, um, and, and could jot down notes with all the tapes that I was doing to me. Cause it was like, it was getting to be old and I'm like, listen, but I'm going to go back to the car, turn on the AC. We've got 30 minutes until six o'clock when the, I want to be on the field at six o'clock, seven on seven, start at six 15, come back to the car. With me throwing your, you know, AirPods, whatever you want, or you want to hang here. He had met a couple of the, you know, coaches, sons and stuff. He's like, right. Can I stay here? I'm like, yeah. He's like, yeah, I'll be here. I'm like, all right, let's meet here at six o'clock. Uh, four minutes later, I get a, he texts me a picture of, of, um, of Cooper just had him in a headlock, you know, and he hung out with him for a little while. Uh, but player, player wise, uh, material and saying. I think because we sat, we sat in the very first coaches meeting, we're sitting in the, in the big auditorium and it's up front, it's Archie and Eli and Peyton and they're showing video and then going through all the logistics of everything, introducing everyone. And we sat right next to material and, and then some of the players were coming in cause their flights landed. And so saying came up and we were sitting on the, I always sit in the, on the stairs to the side to not take up seats for, for. The, the coaches and, and the, uh, the players, um, and saying came up and there were no seats left and you sat like right behind Tate, uh, and then Tate has cool yarns, man. I didn't have them as a kid and he does, he, he took his phone and he must've got 15 different selfies with all the top players, but he really liked material and he really liked saying, but all of them were awesome with him from, from CJ Bailey to, um, uh, to Arch. I mean, all of them, they were just, they were really, really cool, you know, but, and I stayed out of the way. This wasn't about like my dad does this or like, it was just like, Hey, can I, you know, I love, I love the way you play. I watch you. Can I, can we take a picture or something? So it was, it was cool to watch that, you know, I'm glad he had a good time. I'm glad you were able to give him that experience. And I think that's really cool. The one, the one last thing I want to get from you is obviously NFL films is down there. Thamel's down there, but look, everyone, everyone knows. This is a potentially monster quarterback class, maybe the best quarterback class of all time. Could you feel it? Could you, was there an energy down there? There was maybe a little bit different from last year of, there are a lot of players there. And there were again, no Lenore sellers. I mean, there's guys down there that just weren't down there. No Dante more. I get it. But these are quarterbacks. They understand what, what the, what the landscape is right now. Was there an energy attached to that or no? There was, I'd be lying to say. I think part of it, it felt less boutique. It felt more, you know, four seasons, like, you know, if you will, like a nice boutique hotel versus it felt a little bit more. There were camera crews there and there were a couple, but it didn't take, I don't want to say it took away. So part of it was, you had, you know, you've got cameras all around and the big stick mics with the. So it felt a little bit different in that regard. And then security, like they're like, you know, Manning family security and they were having to like, Hey, we, we got to make sure because they got camera angles and, and it's important because they're, they're documenting. It's like, yes. Whether you buy into it or not. It's the first family in football, man. Like this is like from Archie to, to Eli and Peyton to, to now Arch. So it's, it's pretty cool to document all of that. But it wasn't just. Just that it was just watching them work. And again, there's 40 of them. And a lot of those guys won't go play in the NFL. And a lot of them are just good college quarterbacks. Right. But, but there was definitely an energy to it where it's like, it was a higher level. It was a higher level showing it just as an evaluator. Top to bottom. It was like, Oh, this, this product is a lot better than the product I watched last year. And last last year's product was really good. And it was a lot of fun. These guys are better. Period. They just are. It's exciting, man. Ready for next year. You're going to go again next year. Yeah. I'm bringing you. All right. Sounds good. You didn't get, Tate had a great weekend, but, but he, he didn't get, you didn't get Wally pipped or anything. So let's go. I don't know, man. It's only a matter of time with Tate. Yeah. I like you hosting this show. It was a little different, right? It's better. I don't know about that, but yeah. It's better. It's better. It's better. It's better. Yeah, I think so. Do you want to say goodbye to everyone? No, I haven't worked on my rap yet. I have no idea. I just panicked because you said that you gave me the rap. My favorite of all time was draft night when I said I'm going to the bathroom and you just started yelling at Tucker as if Tucker was in the room and people could see him on air. You're like, we're going to throw up the – I literally said – We're going to go to the GM series. Everyone understands we're going to do that, right? All you had to do was talk to a player that you've done like seven hours of tape on. You're like, we're going to go to the GM series. I don't have the 20 years or whatever of TV experience. You're like, you call me up one day. You're like, hey, you want to do a pod? And like a year later, I'm on Netflix trying to figure it out. And my expectations were high and you have exceeded them like – Thanks, man. Leaps and bounds, my brother. No, this is fun. So we dive back into it Thursday, right? We're going to tape on Wednesday. Yeah. Thursday morning, you're going to be out. CJ Carr, Julian saying, that's going to be a fun one, right? We've already gone to Arch versus Dante. We got to Sellers versus Sorsby. A lot of love for Sellers. A lot of intrigue with the Sorsby. Arch is Arch. Dante is kind of the guy everyone's chasing right now, right? Where are CJ Carr? I'm telling you. I keep waiting for these guys to disappoint me when I throw on the tape. We're six in. And I have not seen anything that's made me feel like, no, these guys don't belong in the conversation. So consider this a bonus in the seven-part series of building the board, 2027 quarterback class. But we're diving right back in part four on Thursday. We appreciate everyone who's watching on Netflix, Spotify, listening on YouTube, wherever else you get your podcasts. We'll be back Thursday, as I mentioned, and mention five stars as a host today, man. Five, five stars. Thanks, man. Must be 21-plus. And present in select states. For Kansas, in affiliation with Kansas Star Casino. Or 18-plus and present in D.C., Kentucky, or Wyoming. Gambling problem? Call 1-800-GAMBLER or 1-800-MY-RESET. Call 1-888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org slash chat in Connecticut. Or visit mdgamblinghelp.org in Maryland. Hope is here. Visit gamblinghelplinema.org. Or call 1-800-327-5050 for 24-7 support in Massachusetts. Or call 1-877-8HOPENY or text HOPENY in New York. For Louisiana, call 1-877-770-7867. 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