The Legacy of Lindsey Graham

What's up everybody, welcome to a brand new episode of part of the problem. I am Dave Smith and he, of course, is the beautiful Robbie the Fire Bernstein. How are you feeling today, sir? I'm doing well. How are you, Mr. Smith? I'm doing well. I'm okay. I'm a little bit bummed out today. I have not. I'm going to have to tweet, I guess, about this at some point, but so we weren't supposed to have a show today. I announced on the site, I was supposed to go out and speak at the Young Americans for Liberty Yalcon event in Cincinnati, Ohio, but I, um, I flake out canceled and there's just like terrible weather coming in, tried a lot of different things. We were down to trying an option to go to different cities to fly me into different cities to have someone pick me up and meet me, but we weren't able to make it work. There were no flights available in all of the New York City airports and I really did try anyway, not able to make it, not able to make it there. I guess we're talking right now. I think I'm going to like do my speech by Zoom from here. So I will address the, the kids, um, but of course, it's not nearly as fun as being there in person. And I really do, um, I've done, I can't remember how many of the Young Americans for Liberty events I've done, but they're always like among my favorite things to do. I just love it. It's really cool, Rob, to go see like, you know, 20-year-olds who are, you know, really hardcore into the same stuff that we're into and they're really excited about it. I always really, um, I don't know, I always, uh, I appreciate kind of like the honor of like being like, oh, okay, I'm here to like talk to the younger generation of, of, you know, Liberty, love and people who, who look up to me or whatever. So anyway, I really, really enjoyed doing it. I will absolutely do everything I can to be at next year's big Young Americans for Liberty event. I love the organization. I've, I've met a lot of cool people there, um, over the years. So it sucks. It's one of those things. It's, you know, Rob, uh, I mean, we, people who listen to this show are probably, I mean, we mostly rant about the news, but we do bitch about flying on airplanes quite a bit because it's just inevitable. If you got two people who got to fly on airplanes all the time that these type of things happen. It sucks. We're busy. We travel the whole year. We try our absolute best, never miss any of our, um, any of our, our live performances or, whether that be speeches or, or comedy shows. So anyway, that sucks, but I will address, uh, uh, uh, the Young Americans for Liberty on behalf of the middle-aged Americans for Liberty, uh, Rob, don't you worry, I'll be, I'll be representing us. It's inspiring to see that some, uh, some younglings are finding this. I find there's, uh, a little bit of an uptick in like the college age kids that are coming out to porches and even when I see, uh, at hour live shows and I just, I just, I just love to see it. You're like, oh, like I would have thought, you know, my audience was more 20 year olds. It just isn't, um, which is cool. You know, I'll porch with 50s and six year olds, they make for, uh, a fine porch tour crowd, but it's nice, uh, if the younger kids are, you know, finding honest information this early in their lives. Yeah. And I do think that there's something, um, I don't know. I guess there's, there's something to be said for particularly I'm thinking about like libertarians have always felt this way, but I guess it's true in general. If you're like, it, I don't know, just for, if you don't like a lot of things about your current system of government and culture and you're kind of advocating that things be different. On some level, you recognize that like this is a long project. This is going to take a long time and that kind of means that like, this is, this is going to be for, you know, to be carried out. There's going to be work to be done here and I personally, and I really don't want this to come off the wrong way, um, because I do want to think about the weight of my words when I say this. I'm not implying anything like you should be blackpilled or like there's not a lot of important work to be done in the meantime or that like, this all just isn't really interesting to keep talking about and, and, and trying to understand. But it does kind of seem Rob like the boomers are going to have to die off, you know what I mean? Like, it's not just, much is that they have to die off because I don't know Rob. I mean, maybe our, our, this current system collapses before the boomers die off. It's quite possible if you ask me, but like, maybe it's more accurate to say the boomers are going to die off and that's almost like the big thing for Americans to think about about the future. You know that like, you know, you take, you, you take the boomers out of the equation and an American public opinion and American culture and American, I don't know, finances, just everything is so much different. Um, that, you know, and so anyway, it's very, it's very interesting to, to talk to young people who are aware of this stuff and just speaking of being careful about your words. The audience is more 30 and 40 a porch door. I don't mean to disperse them that a bunch of people are like, wait, I wasn't 50 and 60. What are you talking about? You do. If you saw, if you stood next to these young Americans for Liberty, you'd look 60. So I guess, no, I mean, there's, there's, you know, older people there too. There's speakers and organizers and stuff, but, um, on that note, I do got a porch is coming up. Coco Florida, St. Augustine Florida, Walpole mass, Newton mass and Rhode Island. And then, of course, you and I are going to be at the, uh, the improv. I think of Fort Lauderdale, this, uh, Friday and Saturday or Thursday, Friday. Yeah. Thursday, Thursday and Friday. That's right. Uh, so that'll be the day after tomorrow. Uh, July, what do, what do we got here, um, excuse me, I believe it's the 30th, right? Yeah, it's just, uh, I'm sorry, July 30th and 31st, uh, down there in Fort Lauderdale. And then, uh, we'll be in Appleton, Wisconsin. I'll be back at the comedy mothership in Austin, Texas, Louville, Kentucky, Fort Worth, Texas, Dallas, Texas, Salt Lake City, uh, and then Las Vegas. Um, so we got a bunch of stuff, uh, coming up, Comic Dave Smith, me and Rob will be out there on the road. All right. So I wanted to, uh, talk a bit about, uh, Lindsey Graham today because it was, uh, that what was it? Is funeral today? I don't know. They had some type of service today. JD Vance was, was speaking. And we didn't, uh, get to this in yesterday's show. But there's, um, anyway, a lot, you know, a bunch of people are giving speeches about Lindsey Graham's, uh, uh, legacy and there's, uh, also just a couple days ago, there was evidently Rob Lindsey Graham had a documentary crew following him, um, for the last few months. And a bunch of footage was released of his immediate reaction to the, uh, the launch of the Warren Iran, um, which I found to be fascinating. And well, I don't know. I mean, I guess before we even get into any of this, I guess it's, it isn't it, Rob, it's a little bit of an interesting situation like I, I'm listening to JD Vance, uh, give, um, you know, like a speech about, um, how great a person and how charming Lindsey Graham was. And, and I don't know. Listen, you, you guys know, like, look, I'm a little bit harsh on JD Vance. I've been, um, I've been harsh on JD Vance for the last year. And at some points, perhaps unfairly, you know, Rob, what is JD Vance, after all, he's the vice president. He's not in charge of anything. And he's kind of what, what would you say? At least rhetorically, what is he, the most, the closest sounding to us in the administration? Doing away, you're like, oh, we're beating up on the guy who's most not worse or whatever. Um, but you know, the thing with JD Vance, Rob, is that he's kind of like, you know, like, like when you were like a kid and like a bunch of you would like jump someone's fence and then vandalize their property and sprays it, paint something on. And then the guy woke up and he came out running like, I'm gonna kill you kids. And then everyone ran away, but one fat kid couldn't get over the fence. And you know, he wasn't even really the one who was leading or who's doing the worst, but that guy gets the crap beat out of him because you know what, you're all that's here. The rest of them all got away. And like JD Vance, there's just this, I don't know, Rob, there's this feeling where like, he's the one who's still kind of hanging on and asking for something from us. He wants our vote. Marco Rubio doesn't even want our vote. Marco Rubio already knows he's not carrying us, but JD Vance wants to. JD Vance, he's the only one left who wants something. And so what am I to do when I see him praising Lindsey Graham? Why? Now, don't get me wrong, Rob. I know. I understand in the world of not just the world of politics, but in the world sometimes you got to say nice things. It's the nice thing to do it a funeral. But from my perspective, well, I've watched this administration just trash the country, trash, our movement. Nah, I don't, I don't feel like, like, I don't think I do have to put up with this. I got to say, Rob, I do, I very much, as I expressed the last time we talked about it, I very much have the sensibilities as a person of being like, yo, you should not speak you ill of the dead, you know? At the same time, I'm disgusted hearing JD Vance just praise a man whose whole career was advocating death and destruction and human despair. All right, guys, let's take a moment and think our sponsor for today's show, which is crowd health, a long time sponsor of this show. I've been telling you guys about this company for years because I really, really, really believe in what they do. And of course, summer is in full swing and if you want to enjoy your beach days and barbecues without the constant stress of broken health care, go check out what real medical freedom looks like for under $100 a month. 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And maybe it was a bit of a clumsy connection between the like the necessity and idea of human action with economics and then the idea of, you know, human action in politics. And I don't know, I guess there's just something where it's like, we can talk about things in collectives all the time and sometimes that's important. And sometimes it's very useful to understanding things like no matter what you talk, like if you were talking about like the scandal in the Catholic church, you're like, there's the Catholic church is a thing in your mind. And like what that means essentially is like, well, I don't know like the organization and everybody who works there and all. And that is a thing. So you have to be able to, but if you really wanted to understand, say what was going on, there were individual players who had, you know, they were human beings. It's human, it's human beings acting, human beings doing so. So each individual human being had his own childhood and his own stories and his own ambitions and his own heartbreak and his own. And so in other words, in order to really understand what's really going on here, you kind of got to understand the individual players and that's harder to do. And so at times you just focus on what they're doing, what actions these humans are taking. But it is always interesting when you get a little bit of an insight into who the person is. And much like, you know, this has been, I don't know, I mean, this has been something I've been talking about publicly for 20 years, but I guess between with the two examples of both Fauci's diaries and Lindsey Graham and this documentary, it's just been interesting lately to think about that to get a little window into these people because, look Rob, it obviously does. It just changes the dynamics a little bit when you find out that Fauci is like real excited that he's having a Zoom meeting with an NBA player and like, oh, isn't that neat? And that he's like drunk in the moment on how famous he is all the sudden. I don't know. That's very interesting. That's very useful information into just, you know, like putting this whole story together and likewise, yeah, it's interesting to, I don't know, to see how Lindsey Graham actually was at least in his limo with his camera crew. I mean, who knows, you know, what broke once he got away from them. But yeah, it's worlds apart from the morality that me and you believe in. That's for sure. All right. Do you want to, should we, yeah, you know, let's just go right to the Lindsey Graham. Let's go to the first Lindsey Graham clip. Let's play that. Able to deliver. I'll be honest with you, I think about three to four weeks. We should have a minus five where they start losing control of some cities. What we're trying to do is just get a few cities to fall in the next one, get the errors more openly involved tomorrow or by the end of the week and just have almost irreversible momentum. So that was the clip. Okay. So this one is the more getting into like his just, not a psychology, but just I don't know the certainty. You know, there's other clips we're going to play a couple other ones where you'll see more of his exuberance, but I got to tell you and because for nothing else, I think it's important to just tell the truth about these things. You know, people are going to talk about Lindsey Graham's legacy. I really did find this, this clip to be very fascinating to that whole conversation. Because here you have not just, you know, not just like, hey, remember 20 years ago when you said there were weapons of mass destruction, but there weren't and, but you have just from, you know, just in the last few months here, as this war is breaking out, Lindsey Graham is like, he, and I've seen this a lot from War Hawks over the years. First off, he can't contain his excitement. There's something truly sick about this. He can't contain his excitement. And then they just kind of get drunk with this certainty of what's going to come next. And here you see, I mean, very clear, about as objective as you could get, you know, Rob, like I always say with the Austrian versus, you know, other classical or, or, you know, derivative, you know, economic schools of thought, I always go like, well, look, the Austrians are the ones making the argument that you can't just empirically test everything against everything. You got to think these things through. But if ever you could empirically test something, I mean, he sits here and explains how the Iranian regime is going to lose control of the cities and how their country's going to fall. And Rob, those cities, like this was only, this has been in the last, you know, four months or whatever. I guess going on five months now. Those cities in the next days after he said this had million man marches in support of the regime. Like I just got this all completely wrong. And I guess they're almost look like even if you want to, I don't know, Rob, if you want to say, hey, look, Lindsey Graham is an evil from our worldview. He's evil, but from his worldview, it's a different thing. It's like, yeah, but dude, if you're this wrong all the time over and over and you're wrongness involves a policy of killing people. Jesus Christ at a certain point wears the distinction. And you know, I think that's, Rob, and I'm very curious to just get your thoughts on this because this is, you know, this is something, it's like a through line through all of my Israel debates and all of this shit that it's like, look, I understand that like, I understand that Lindsey Graham was a US senator who wore a suit and a tie and had some Southern charm and would crack a dirty Southern joke when none of the ladies were looking or whatever. And I understand he wasn't like up like a head chopping member of ISIS or like a barbarian, you know, Hamas, you know, the angry, you know, 20 year old throwing a rock or whatever you picture. But like, dude, when you're this wrong all the time and you're probably, it's like what I always say in the debates with Israel at a certain point, if you're killing this many people, I mean, in effect, you're still the killer. Like eventually it doesn't matter how sophisticated a way you do this and you are so wrong, all you advocate in effect is death and destruction forever. Why am I not supposed to look at you like a monster in your death? I don't know. You touch on any of that that you want. I had a similar takeaway watch in this clip where, you know, you might say Lindsey Graham has no interest in the success of the United States people. And it's just that he's so tied in with the military on desktop complex and jobs in his state that he's just pitching world at time only for basically war profiteering. If you're watching this clip, you get, oh, this guy actually thought there was a pathway to victory. Right. If you're out pitching, firstly, I'm not sure that a victory in a, let's just go with the idea, America needs to be an empire and kicking people's ass for American interest actually benefits our country. And so in this case, he thinks that within couple weeks, I ran, there's going to be revolts and people are going to actually start overtaking their government. And so there's a pathway to victory here. Well, that clearly did not happen. And so you got a guy who spent his entire life advocating for a war, thinking that there would be a successful conclusion. And what he thought was going to happen clearly did not take place. So he was wrong, which means that when he went out there and he initiated, hey, we need to be having this war and this war is really important. He was just wrong. And so you can't celebrate that guy. And if anything, you got to, you know, you got to, you know, you've got to, you know You got to you got to punish these individuals because you made the biggest blunder probably the United States of America might have ever made. Find me a bigger, I mean, if you have their world view of empire, find me a bigger blunder that we've made in terms of foreign wars and entanglements in terms of weakening the US empire. If you believe then the need of the US empire and I mean, this is such a massive mistake and you have an unfold display that what he thought was going to happen clearly is not taking place. Dude, I mean, when you're, I mean, dude, when you're, you're on record now supporting a rack Afghanistan, you know, Libya and this. Geez, man. It's just like, I don't know why am I, I don't think it's unreasonable to go, you know, one of my favorite things ever. If you remember Tucker Carlson, one time had Max Boot on CNN, people don't know Max Boots and other like Archine O'Conn got, you know, like always supported every one of these wars. Lindsey Graham indistinguishable on foreign policy and Tucker at one point goes, he goes, Max, I'm not trying to be cruel to you, but like, why don't you try like painting houses? You're just like, why don't you just pick another job? Are you so bad at this? You get every one wrong or at least, and I got to say, look, I mean, I, so if, like, if you were to even argue at a certain point, if I go like, hey, okay, so Lindsey Graham supported the war and Iraq, the war in Afghanistan, and the war in Libya, the war in Syria, the war in Somalia, the war in Yemen, and supported the destruction of Gaza, he supported the war in Iran, is the, was one of the biggest cheerleaders in the Senate for the war in Ukraine. Like all of these policies, Rob, there's not a single one of those that you could point to and even pretend was a win. No, I mean, look, you could, the closest you could spin to any of this would be that Ukraine wasn't completely taken over by Russia, which, you know, I mean, that's, that, there's a strong argument, but like, but for US support, you know, like Russia, maybe would have just totally destroyed. Okay. But like, you, every last one is a loss. Millions and millions of people are, are, are, you know, dead. Innocent people are dead as a result of this policy. Now, one might ask themselves, why are you any different than Stalin or Hitler or, or any other person in political power who we label as like, oh, you killed all these innocent people. And what, what people would respond with that? Well, first off, people don't like, they don't like hearing things like that because it sounds like something a left wing or would say quite often. So they have a kind of like repulsed like, well, what do you mean? Oh, yeah, Dave, America's always the bad guys are, oh, yeah, we're all just as bad as them. But actually what I'm arguing for is the opposite of relativism. I'm arguing for moral objectivism. I'm arguing for like an objective standard. Now, if you're going to say, like, these things are different, well, what's the objective standard? And whenever you get into that, Rob, what they, and this is the same thing that Israel defenders will do. Whatever you do, when, when you, when they get into this, is they go to motives. And so they'll say something like, well, look, you could kind of understand that like, however misguided the war in Iraq may have been, that's not the same thing as giving orders to execute every last Jew in a town because, you know, maybe someone was misguided and they thought that like, oh, he did have weapons of mass destruction or this war would help the Iraqi people or something like that. But you got to say, I think there's a real problem with that defense. And I've, I've been working on this for years now, kind of like how to tackle that. But I just think there's a real problem with your defense being like, no, but we didn't really mean it. You know, like, we didn't really do it because we're bad. We did it for these noble reasons because well, first of all, like Hitler had his abstract noble reasons too. Stalin had his abstract noble reasons too. They all claim, now you could certainly say that like, Hey, if you're putting like a woman or a child into a gas chamber, there's no like possible, you got this wrong or so, like, okay, fair enough. But then on the other side of it, Rob, Hey, look, I really wanted to do this nice thing that involved murdering a bunch of people, but it just didn't work out, but my heart was in the right place. Like, if you were actually bringing that defense to any reasonable like court of law, okay, let's say that defense holds Rob. How about the second time you do it and the third time you do it and the fourth, like by the time you're like a 12th time repeat offender, do you still get to go? Oh, no, but it's not like sociopathic murderous behavior. It's just like, oh, darn it, Lindsey Graham was wrong about how the cities would fall once again. All right, guys, let's take a moment and think our sponsor for today's show, which is body brain coffee, love this stuff. And of course, as I've told you before, the body brain creamer is here. This creamer was specifically designed to stack perfectly with body brain coffee. If you guys aren't familiar with body brain coffee, it's a delicious cup of coffee that naturally enhances your testosterone. So if you're a guy around my age in your 40s and your 50s, if you're looking to naturally boost your testosterone, but you don't want to take supplements or injections or anything like that, but you will drink a cup of coffee every day. That's why I take it makes me feel much better. Now they have the creamer that stacks perfectly with that. It's filled with good stuff. 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And so if you can't take stock on the fact that you're making horrible blunders that are leading to death because you're just wrong in your analysis, you should not be making that analysis. And if you're continuing to make the analysis because you like the power that comes with it, then you're engaging in evil. And you can't hide behind the fact of, oh, I was just a dumbass with a what I thought were good ideas. Yeah. Yeah. No, that's right. That's right. And and and also like you just, I don't know, I guess also, and this is particularly true. Like I completely agree with everything you said 100%. But then just like in addition to that, I feel the need to add that with people like Lindsey Graham or or many people involved in the US war machine or many people involved in the Israeli war machine and the Israeli government, they really push it to the level of me believing that they're just this stupid because you know, then you go listen to Smotrich literally just today. I saw a clip of him openly bragging about the full amount of apartment buildings that they've destroyed in Southern Lebanon and the amount of apartment buildings that they've destroyed in Gaza literally bragging that we didn't just drive from us out. We destroyed the homes and with like the heavy implication that look, they're never coming back. Like that's ours now. And so like, okay, well, that guy sure as fuck isn't just misguided, right? Like that's real Hitler-esque shit right there. He knows what he's doing as incorporated that into his worldview kind of likes that aspect of it and certainly isn't slowed down by it. So what? But then also it's like with Lindsey Graham, it's like, I don't know, when the thing about you is that you always love war? Like you're always for war. It does just start to make you wonder like, come on, dude, are you really just this wrong? Are you just this stupid? Or are you in whatever way compromised, sick in the head? We're just aware that this is a price tag with your policy. It's like, yeah, a whole bunch of innocent people are going to die. But you know what? It's not me and mine. It's over there. Either way, I just, I don't really, if I'm being honest here and again, this is not from a left wing perspective where I'm saying like, there's nothing, there's no relativism in this. It's like objective standards here. I just don't really see a sound coherent argument as to why this is worlds apart from like someone praise and Hitler immediately after he died, you know, aside from the difference that he wasn't the furor, he was just one member of the phony senate. But you know, he was like, okay, that difference understood. But like, aside from that, I don't know, Rob Morley, I don't really see much of a difference. Well, let's, let's watch the other clips where we can see Lindsey Graham being even more gleeful about this here. You know what? Let's, um, yeah, okay, let's do that. Let's go to the other Lindsey Graham. I'm sorry. You're absolutely right. Let's go to those. I mean, like, how long have we been pushing this? Are you pushing this for years? Right, it's here. I told him to come this morning. Oh, he's jacked. So the best thing I've ever done. He loves, he loves blowing stuff up. This is so. You know, there are a lot of people inside that didn't want to do it, so I have my challenges. But Prost and Trump, when he gets into the zone, he listens, asks good questions, you know, no tweeting, he has done, he hadn't tweeted much at all, no drama, he's been a great wartime president. I said last night that Trump and BB are like Roosevelt in Churchill. I mean, they're the right two guys to confront this evil. You don't entirely disagree with him on that one. They are a lot like FDR in Churchill. And that means very different things to me and Lindsey Graham, but I would agree with him on that. Rob, what can you say, man? I mean, again, this is like, what I'm saying, like what I'm making comparisons to like Hitler and Stalin, again, in his words, Trump likes blowing stuff up, you know, people die when you blow stuff up. Everybody knows that Iranians have been dying by the thousands during this thing. People in Lebanon have been dying, you know, like people and anyway, Rob, I mean, what can you say about the glee that this guy feels like even I'll just say this and then you, but even if you're pro war, even if me and you robber wrong about everything and the pro war hawks are right about all of this, shouldn't they still be kind of like somber as they launch the thing? If they know innocent people are going to die, this is, this is, this is, Lindsey Graham is doing this like hours before 168 little girls get killed. You know, this should have fucking dark, man. Yep. It certainly doesn't have the flavor of morality or adult in the room of, uh, this is going to have terrible consequences, but it needs to be done and I wish we weren't here. This is a guy who's gleeful about the fact that he's finally able to get a war that we never needed. And he finally found a president that he could pitch on it. And hilarious. He pretends like he's the adult in the room of, uh, well, Donald Trump, I could finally get that child to focus and stay off Twitter and he was in asking all the right questions. I guess all the right questions are how the, how is this going to go? Mr. Lindsey Graham. Oh, perfect. The people themselves are going to revolt and within a couple of months will have multiple cities and momentum on our side. So great that Lindsey Graham is the adult in the room is able to get Donald Trump's focus for Donald Trump to ask good questions, which also just showcases, uh, you know, Donald Trump's, uh, bad at his job that he's looking to Lindsey Graham for advice and the advice boils down to a completely flawed policy or idea of how this might go. Um, but yeah, I, I mean, just to your point, the fact that he's giddy about this because this is his life's work is this accomplishment without any sense of it sucks that this is what we have to do, but we have to do it. It's a pretty disgusting to see that he would even record that and put it out on film or allow for it that he's so locked in on that what he's doing is, is right. Yeah. No, that's well said. Yeah, all spot on the other thing I was thinking about with this, I talked about this a little bit. I did a top wood show yesterday. I think that's how tomorrow, um, but go check that out. As always, Tom Woods, the goat, the best ever love that guy. Uh, go what his show is so good, by the way, people don't, uh, haven't go through the archives of the Tom Woods show. One of the best shows out there, but we were talking about how like there's this weird dynamic, um, where they'll do this thing where, uh, so like, the Thomas Massey gets unseated in Congress. And then you'll see someone on social media will be like the Jewish money came in and, and took out Thomas Massey. And then someone else will be like, that's really anti-Semitic to say it like that. But then you see John Putt-Harritz go and the Jewish money came in and took out Thomas Massey and you're like, oh, hey, but you just said the same thing that he's like, it's not anti-Semitic if you're for it, it's only anti-Semitic if you're against it. Like it's just such a bizarre, uh, standard that, I don't know, just can't possibly work. So anyway, the thing I'm thinking, like, and this is that I've been saying, like since the 12-day war last year, Rob, as you know, I've been on all the highest profile debates around the country saying, this is the war, the neocons have won at the whole time. They've spent 20 years trying to get this war. This is a continuation of the seven countries in five years and the clean breaks, right? Like this has been the whole central argument. And then as if I need, it's like the Fauci diaries, as if we need another piece of evidence, like we don't, we've already got our case sealed, but then, oh, got well, here he is admitting that they were funding gain of function research and here he is admitting what the death rate was and where the origin of the virus came from. Okay, well, here is Lindsey Graham. What is the first thing he says, the same as Benjamin Netanyahu, the first thing he says when they launched the war is this was my life's work. Like they acknowledge we've been pushing this war the whole time. This is what the whole global war on terrorism has been leading up to. And what is this? I mean, like, who's even arguing anymore that this isn't a strategy for Israel? Who else is the strategy for, Rob? What? What is the strategy, your life's work was what, toppling Saddam Hussein and Momar Kudafi and the Ayatollah in Iran, for who? You get 50 guesses, Rob. Which country is it that Lindsey Graham wants to do that for, like, I don't know. That's the other thing that I saw about this too, like while he's so giddy about, and this is one of the interesting things about, it's kind of like the way people, you know what, like when people talk shit in a fight, like UFC fighters or boxers will talk shit, even a very high level sometimes. And it's like, because if you get a guy emotional, they give away a little bit, they get out of their game. And this is why it's kind of interesting seeing Lindsey Graham when he gets emotional and gets excited because the first thing he says is there's always something Freudian in people when they get real emotional. The first thing he says is, this is what we've been trying to do the whole time. And that's right. And what was Lindsey Graham? By the way, keep in mind everybody. The original never Trump are, if you remember the first guy he started feuding with when he was running for president. The original never Trump are, well Donald Trump carried out their life's work. And by the end, as you know, right, it's working out really wonderfully. We all get to inherit the spoils. Yeah, let's, I think there's one more clip. Yeah, let's go to the next one. Do you have it on figure Ryan? Yep. Okay. All right. Can I see you now? Yeah. Hello. Hey, baby Lindsey. Hey, Lindsey. How are you? I'm just so impressed. Glad to be your friend. Glad you are, my friend. I'm going to meet with the president this weekend. I'm going down to Daryl. I'm going to try to get him to join with y'all on Lebanon to maybe fly some with you. Would you like that? Yeah, I, I, I guess that I think you're ever point, but I've been thinking about the other side of it for a second, concentrating right now on the phone. If we tell his father that we're going all the way, we're threatened, but if we actually do it, okay. Then they have no reason not to go all the way again. Okay. Okay. Well, I'll okay, well, that's that's actually a good counsel. I put it out there as an idea we can always. So here is a real fascinating exchange where you have, you know, what can only be described is like a child like Gleeful Lindsey Graham calling Netanyahu essentially just praising him. So glad to be as friendly, so excited and actually getting out ahead of Netanyahu in what he's going to be advocating the US military do on behalf of Israel. And, you know, he is actually saying, I'm going to go to Trump right now to try to get him to join the war in Lebanon and, and BB is going, well, well, well, wait, hold on one second. Not quite yet. We want him bombing Iran still because we want a Lebanon essentially. We don't want them to go for broke right now. If they see Americans coming, they know that it's time to go for broke. So we don't want that. So maybe in a little bit. But I mean, this is like, I don't know, man, it's truly, truly remarkable. What are your thoughts? I get that they're filming for a doc here and so that maybe this is somewhat staged, even though this doesn't make Lindsey look great. So I can't imagine that this was overly staged, but the casualness by which you would think these were more planned out decisions of it sounds like two teenagers just calling each other like, hey, I'm going to see Trump. So I'm going to ask him to find some extra stuff on there. And it's like, by the way, it goes, oh, yeah, dude, I mean, typically speaking, we love bombing. And so I get where you're coming from. In this case, I don't think it's the right time because we're Jews and we try and be sneak in. We don't want them to realize that we're actually trying to destroy them. And so if you guys stay out of this, we can pull more of our sneaky, sneaky moves. And then we can do that later, but you definitely have the right idea, but we already have enough beers at this party. And I don't want people getting too drunk. So don't actually bring the hard liquor from your parents cabinet like, it's a wildly not suffis, it's a not sophisticated call from Lindsey Graham, where it's not like he's done a ton of analysis. He's just calling them up like, hey, as long as I'm seeing President Trump, I'm going to get a, I'm going to try and get some more bombs for you guys. No, it's just, it's just more bombs for Israel. That's it. extent of Lindsey Graham's analysis. Benjamin Netanyahu is at least thinking. He's at least got a little bit of a strategy. Um, yeah, I mean, look, I don't, I don't know, you know, how much more there is that, uh, that you can say, but there's, yeah, look, I mean, here's, here's Lindsey Graham, uh, just a merchant of death. And I, um, and I'm sorry, I don't, look, I'm, I understand anybody being turned off by, uh, what they see is like cruelty in the face of death. They're being turned off by people who are like mocking him or making jokes or trashing or saying they're glad he's dead or things like that completely understand not partaking in any of that. Not really particularly my style either. Um, but honestly, like if we're just analyzing that, I don't know, I don't want to hear my, I don't want to hear politicians praising Lindsey Graham. I just, I find something, there'd be something kind of sickening about all of it to be honest. 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Well, I'm guessing it was a fake display of what might exist in the future and a description of what the pricing mechanism is. But I believe I had it wrong because I thought that it was the grand opening and I think it was more the press conference of the way that the stores are planning on operating. Okay, interesting. Well, let's go to the club here. I thought that it was an opening. Well, there you go. Well, here, let's go to Mom Donnie's announcement of developing a grocery store. You know that for many New Yorkers, 30% of the grocery store means something very different. Since 2019, food prices have soared at grocery stores around the country by roughly 30% in fact. Talk to shoppers around the city and you'll often hear the same frustration. Wages have not kept up making matters even worse. Some corporations have built out technology that allows for something called surveillance pricing, collecting personal data to charge some people more than others for the same carton of eggs for the same gallon of milk. All of this leaves too many New Yorkers healing like groceries are out of. I have to comment on that. I hate for I agree with him that I hate the concept of discriminatory pricing that a company could see that your person will pay more for something so they'll charge you more. I don't think anyone likes paying more than the next person. With that said, if you are looking to help poor people, the poor people are not the ones being charged more for eggs. What that means is that a grocery store that has like an if they're using this technology, if you had a grocery store theoretically with one store in Harlem and one on the Upper East side, the Upper East side might be paying more for eggs, which would actually supplement the cost of eggs for the people in Harlem that you're trying to. What you're for. We don't like it, but you should like it. Yeah, right. Okay. Yeah. Anyway, it's the opposite of what he thinks it is. Unless, unless is a theorem, but this wouldn't be like from surveillance of customers. You could say that there's a company that's actually charging more in the poor areas because they have more security risks or other costs that they have to offset, but that's not actually what he's that's not what he's describing. Yeah. He's describing tracking individuals and charging wealthier individuals more for food because they can pay more and what a dumb pitch. Yeah. Yes. Agreed. Here. Let's keep going. Breach. And that is frankly unacceptable, which is why city government is stepping in to make people's lives more affordable. Today, I am proud to announce a collection of essential staples that will be predictably 30% cheaper at all five of our city run grocery stores. This core set of goods will include all fresh produce, meat, and seafood along with 20 other essential items like cheese, milk, and bread. Here's how it will work. Once a month, our five city run grocery stores will set prices for this core set of goods at 30% below typical retail prices. No exceptions, no gimmicks. The savings will last for the entire month. That means no weekly fluctuations nor sticker shock at the checkout line. Not for our seniors living on fixed incomes, nor for the parents who rely on a regular supply of apple slices to keep toddler tantrums at bay. Now, can we all see this incredible example of produce in my hand? Now, you will see these plantains here. So for anyone wondering how much these beautiful plantains might cost, you can use this QR code or head to grocery.nyc to access our policy report. I'm going to demonstrate exactly what that means. Ladies and gentlemen, the QR code does work. Let's see this here. All right, hey, 30% more to not have to QR code a piece of produce to find out what it costs. Well, I just want to let's just get into this a little bit because look, man, I mean, as is with all of these things, well, first of all, who knows exactly what's going to happen, but when all of them do happen, everyone will have their story about why it didn't work or what was this or what the cost was, but all of it just challenged people to do here is just think this through for a minute and try to think about how silly the idea of all of this is. Here he's saying, okay, so he's going to, he's developing five grocery stores. They're going to pick a basket of goods and decide that they're paging it to 70% of whatever that costs on the market, right? You just got to point out that's convenient for a socialist because now you've got a market pricing mechanism to work off of. Yeah, well, that's right. Well, that's one thing immediately, right? So you're just basing it off just what they charge minus 30% seems a little bit arbitrary, seems a little bit arbitrary. What goods you pick in there and what aren't? He goes, it'll last for the full month, wide for, you know, like look, immediately it starts raising some questions like there is a, there almost is a recognition of scarcity rub. If you get what I'm saying, because why make it for a month? Why only these, why only these items? Why not, you know, all of the items in the store? Why only five stores? Why not 10 stores? Why a supermarket? Why not a shoe store? You know, there's a lot of questions here and these are the things that capitalists have to deal with asking these questions all the time. And like it's funny when people politicians want to get into it, they think somehow that like none of these questions are relevant, but they're very important questions. And what happens with capitalists is if they don't get the questions right, they lose a shit ton of money. And that's the way that, you know, that's what they have to deal with and why they work these things out. But you might, so look, as of right now, I mean, according to this is the answer I got from AI, but also keep in mind these budgets with city budgets never stick to exactly what they are. But it says the plan right now has initial capital funding public allocation of $70 million. $70 million. That's been put aside. Now, almost certainly they'll run over that almost every government project runs. It was initially six million. And yeah, and they already spent 70 million. So whatever is 15% off or something like that. Rob, I'm usually pretty good at predictions, but it's rare that they actually have already come true. The second I make them know, but anyway, you know, so that's an easy prediction to make. government budgets will usually run over what they are. But so right away, like if anybody's being honest here, it's like already, the conversation is, this is a math question now. Number one, in the immediate, in the scene, not in the unseen, just in the scene, there's a math question, meaning, oh, okay, $70 million, or I'm sorry, what do we say? You say, it went from 60 to 70, right? So $70 million. So now it's not, did New Yorkers like paying 30% less on these 20 issues? It's a math equation of, is that savings more than the $70 million that you're costing the taxpayer? But then of course, the other question is Rob, is that you, you're taking $70 million from the taxpayer and investing it in this with, like, is there any sense, you know, you'll hear Democratic Socialist Rob Keith Knight, I think made this point. I don't know if he said it exactly like this, but you'll hear Democratic Socialists, they often talk about wage theft or profit sharing, right? So they'll talk about the fact that if you are being paid a wage, right? So, so if I work a job for a wage, well, then my boss is stealing what they'll call the excess value of my labor, right? And if he's making a profit, I should take part in profit sharing. Now, for some reason, you never hear a mentioned law sharing. This never comes up. That actually, go look up the numbers. I don't remember exactly what they are, but I think 50% of businesses fail in the first few years. The overwhelming majority fail in the first decade. Well, businesses fail. Well, businesses don't work. Are the workers on the hook for that? Okay, so that's one question right that kind of exposes something in the Socialist worldview. But that same question applies to government investing money. You know, most people, even when they're investing their own money and so they're very concerned about the risk end up losing when they go into business. Oh, by the way, Rob, I don't know. You want to run those numbers through New York City brick and mortar businesses is, oh, you're going to come up with some whole, a whole bunch of different numbers there. But so the idea that just on behalf of the taxpayer, it's a good idea that we invest in this riskiest of investments because it's good for people to pay 30% lower in groceries. Even from the Socialist perspective, you'd understand that well, there's a calculation there to be made to say, maybe it would have been better to just give the taxpayers the money to go grocery shopping, right? Like if you're opening a store that's going to be bleeding money, that's going to be losing its own. So it doesn't, this is the infantile thing that Democratic Socialists insist on that's really infuriating is it's like, no, it's good because it's free and it's less. What are you against it? Fresh produce, free less. Like none of these other considerations need be thought about. But if you want to be an adult, you actually have to think about this shit. Well, I'll tell you why this policy is going to fail is because the exact communities that it's looking to support are going to show up and go, hey, where are the individually wrapped gushers? And so you got a guy here who's going, listen, I'm going to help you guys out with fresh produce. And firstly, I don't know how concerned those communities are with their availability for fresh produce. But if I also, I didn't hear and mention the word eggs in his list of, of goods, I think he did, no, they're not milk cheese and maybe you're right. And, and, and meet. But I mean, all right. Firstly, it's the $70 million. I don't believe is the total number because you also have the allocation of the real estate, which would be one of the biggest expenses in New York. I think 70 million is just the build-out number. The next issue that you have is that one of the locations that they built, which is the one in Harlem, was four times the cost of what private grocers would spend on a build-out. And that includes even like a whole food, which is a very, which is a more high end market, which leads you with the question of, can the, can the government do better than the private market? And you got a history of these, these government grocery stores failing. And now you're in the next stage of, I guess, the operators getting the contracts and whether or not it turns out to be worthwhile for them. But the biggest flaw that I'm just hearing, is firstly, there's no guarantee on the items that are going to be there and the best you're going to get is a 30% discount on a monthly basis from what's happening at the grocery stores. So if you continue to have inflation, you don't have it for, I mean, if you're looking for government groceries, you're not getting free guaranteed food. You're getting, as there's inflation and food costs are going up on any given mile, think it can purchase what you're looking or select goods for 30% less. So I, I'm just saying like the, the socialist dream of a free market, that's not even what they're offering you. They're offering you 30% less if you're willing to shop at the government store for the select goods that will be available. >> Dude, it's all at, and again, as we always say with these things, well, look, fine, sign. Maybe I should make one other point that I just, I just, I wonder about, but and there might, they may have come up with some answers to this, but there's lots of logistical questions like around the stuff too, Rob. Like, so can anybody shop there? >> I believe so. So anybody from outside the city can come in there and get 30% cheaper groceries too. >> Yeah, because that opens up some, I guess the assumption is who's traveling it. The point is this is not that good that you have to worry about non-city residents who are willing to pay a toll on both sides, probably not, yes, yes, probably not, but then in a sense, you could also go, which, which happens a lot with this kind of like socialist nonsense, that also like, look, okay, so me and you maybe don't like the idea of paying a different price than everyone else or someone with more money having to pay more of a price, right? But there is something where like, if the government's going to come in and reduce prices by 30%, should a guy making $5 million a year be able to come in there and get his groceries for that much cheaper and now get subsidized by the taxpayers to pay less for his stuff? So you're not even like targeting the people who need the help. You're kind of, it's like a spray shot out at everyone, but look, let me say this, right? Because I've been trying to make this point quite a bit on economics lately, but I'll try to make it here too, because I think honestly, I think the Missessian Austrian, I think we're the only ones who really see things this way, even other free market types aren't going to make this point. But the thing is that like, again, you have a problem here. The problem is high prices, right? Like, that's the issue of what's going on with groceries. You have high price, why do you have high prices? You have high prices because you have to base your currency. Okay. Like the thing about prices is that if you feel like prices are too high or you feel like prices are too low, that for lots of different reasons, people always want prices to be different. Everybody wants, I want the price that I pay for everything to be very, very low and I want the price that I get paid for everything to be very, very high. But for an economy to prosper, what you want is accurate information in your prices, not the prices that you want. Like, if your currency has been destroyed, the prices are going to reflect that. And trying to, through the force of government, change those prices, it's, you're changing the signal. You're not change. Now, I understand with groceries, you could say, yeah, but that's putting real groceries in people's pockets. But I think there's a deeper point than that. You know, I remember one time, Ron Paul was asked, this is like an '08 or '09, why the federal reserves shouldn't be buying up all these toxic assets. And he goes, he goes, well, the assets should be left to be sold on the market. And then the CNBC host goes, yeah, but they're, they're worth zero on the market. And then Ron Paul goes, okay, well, that's good information. Why put that on the taxpayer? Like, if there were zero, then there were zero. So why would the fed buy them? I mean, now we all own something that's worth zero. Like, there's, it's like, you're messing with these prices. But so, so in other words, right? Why is it, think about it like this, right? Why is it that no democratic policymaker is advocating that neuroscientists get a higher minimum wage? Why will you never hear a socialist talking about how neuroscientists need a higher minimum, because they don't get the minimum wage. They don't get the minimum wage. They don't have that problem. They have skills, right? They have knowledge. They are educated. They have marketable skills. You don't need to worry about that. So in other words, if you have a whole community of people and you go, they're all making $4 an hour, that is information. The information is that your workforce does not have marketable skills. Most raising the price didn't give them marketable skills. It didn't make them neurosurgeons. And so in a similar sense, the idea that you would say, hey, we have this problem, which is the prices of, you know, the price of groceries is going up. It's like, okay, but what caused that? Then if you won't even ask yourself, what caused that problem, then obviously you're not going to really be able to solve that. And then you're just doing silly little things like this. Who says it's a good investment to spend way more than private companies spend to open supermarkets? And that we're investing the taxpayers' money. You know, say whatever you will rob about those private businessmen who open supermarkets, they raise their money from people who voluntarily give it to them. They don't just force those same people who they're claiming. going to want to help to invest in something that may or may not be profitable, that may completely tank. So again, we'll see how this goes. As always, yes, I'm sure if the first person who gets in there and gets a piece of produce for a little bit cheaper will probably like that. But overall, as a model, it makes no sense. And if it did make sense, then at least socialist just be consistent. Advocate for this with everything. If this does make sense, then like, why should it just answer this question? Then why only for a month? Why only 20 items? I got big problems. There's millions of people in New York City who need groceries, open 50 stores, spend the entire budget. Right? Like, what's, I don't know. Is there a limiting principle here, Rob? I never seem to hear one. All right, guys, let's take a moment and think our sponsor for today's show, which is Ridge. You got to check them out. I've had a Ridge wallet for many years now. I switched from the traditional leather brick in my back pocket, which I did for far too long. But you got to go check out a Ridge wallet. They're unique, slim, modern design. 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Or just start buying up some of those items. Let's say, is there any rule prohibiting you from buying up the 30% cheaper and then selling them at retail? Oh, that's an interesting one. Some people come in and just buy out the whole store and then set up shop on the, on the street. And you got to make sure you go, you got to go to the project, you got to sell it back to poor people. You got to make sure that you're, you're gouging them. I'm just kidding. Don't do that. We're not the greedy libertarians. People think we are. Yeah. Anyway, it's like, there is, isn't there something that was interesting? Like, at least the, the old socialist would just go all the way and say, yeah, collectivize all the farms. Right? Like, at least like, you know, say it with your whole chest. I mean, so don't, please don't because it does result in tens of millions of people starving to death. I'm trying to do that. But like, that's, it's, it's like, oh, we're going to apply that same logic, but just in a drop. Just one little drop of that. Okay. But why? Why stop there? You know, I, I was watching this video that this guy made the, like, why I'm a liberal and not a democratic socialist video and, well, just to save you to the end of it. They have no reason not to, they don't know. Well, sometimes the market should work for some things, but other things, the government should come in for, okay, well, that's not much of a theory now is it? Why? Based on what criteria? What? Like, I, I don't know. I mean, I just think to me, this is like a, this is a basic consistency test. You know, there are goods and services, okay? Some of them are very, very important as we talk about a lot on the show. Actually, like, there's a bunch that are very, very important that none of us even really think about. Like, but I mean, even like things like toothbrushes or something like that are very, very important. You need it. Most of the time is a day, or at least I hope you do. And it clothes and shoes and, you know, all these things, but, okay, healthcare and, and super markets and all these things, it's all part, so if, if you're saying that it is a more efficient model for the government to tax you and then the government to provide goods and services back to people. If that gets better goods and services to people, then do that with everything. And if price controls work, if, if, if the government can just write a law that says, hey, these prices are cheaper. Hey, we got a problem here, man. Look, everybody acknowledges it's a problem that groceries have gotten so expensive. Well, if it's a solution, that government can just say, well, I just wrote a law, it says they're cheaper, or I just opened a supermarket where we sell them for cheaper, then okay, fine, but it would really help people if the price of wheat and grain and flour and, and housing and everything was a lot cheaper. That would really help poor people. So I'm saying the government should open a store for all of those things. The government should sell your TVs, the government should sell your, your laptops, the government should sell you your grain, the government should set the price of wheat, the government should set the price of rice, you know, whatever. Why shouldn't they do it with everything if they should do it with these things? And if not, if not, why not? Why does it only make sense for grocery stores, but not for shoe stores? Because I've never heard a socialist explain that, ever. Well, Mamdani might actually be a better politician than we gave him credit for in that. Oh, he is. Oh, he for sure is. But what you might actually find is that your fake socialist wealthy kids that are living in New York City who are for Mamdani, but don't actually understand what socialism is and don't really want it, suddenly have a store that they're using for the kind of goods and services that they like, which is lettuce, fruits, and vegetables. And they can get it for 30% off and they go, oh my god, look at how well this democratic socialism is working. And the poor people who this is supposedly supposed to support don't really actually make use of these stores, nor is it helpful to them. Dude, and I'll tell you that dynamic happens with government programs all the time, all the time. Like, when you have what ends up happening, right, is that a higher voter somehow? Well, but I just mean that to your exact, so like, for example, so like Martin Luther King in the civil rights movement, he would point to like black kids living in the slums of Mississippi and be like, look how poor these guys are, you know? And then like in the 70s, you get this like affirmative action push that gets. So then you'll have like Ivy League colleges that are like, hey, we're gonna up the number of black students that we have at Harvard or whatever. So what happens when Harvard has to up the number of black students? Okay. Well, typically speaking, the black students that would go to like Wesleyan, you know, now can get into Harvard, right? So the upper middle class black kid with a dentist father and a lawyer mother who I wasn't gonna go to Wesleyan now can go to Harvard. Oh, the black kid in the slum in Mississippi, did he get into Harvard? Because they know it like it didn't actually help. And so it's a very good point you make that like, this isn't going to help the people who Mom Donnie puts on the front of the brochure. Let's just say that. It'll be like scene stars who are getting this stuff. Anyway, that's our episode for today. I will be addressing the young Americans for Liberty crowd later on tonight, unfortunately, remotely. But I don't know if they put that online or not, but I'll think of some stuff to say and then I'll say it and hopefully it comes out real good tonight when I say it. Okay. Thanks for listening. Portshore.com. Comment here Smith.com. Catch you guys tomorrow. Peace.