The Legacy of 9/11

what's up what's up everybody welcome to a brand new episode of part of the problem i am dave smith he is robbie the fire bernstein how are you sir we're back from louville but well i shouldn't say i'm back you're still in louville yes and i have uh like six hours between this and my actual flight to not be drinking downtown because i have to drive when i land oh dude what was it um where was where were we i guess it was a few weeks ago whereas i got a crazy uh delay like an eight hour delay or something and i called you and i was like are you still in town with the car and you were like yep and i was like oh never been happier to have a buddy with a car in town than when you got eight hours to kill not even yeah i i had such a long delay that it wasn't even like oh just you just drink it was like i could drink and sober back up and still have to catch my flight well i have the opposite problem that i have to get the car back to the airport otherwise i wouldn't have to be at the 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this show that i i wanted to talk about a bit so of course over the weekend uh was the 25th anniversary of 9-11 um and we spent it in as as i believe all those who fell would have wanted um but anyway i just so you know the 25th look 9-11 i guess the anniversary of it is always a thing um for obvious reasons um and 25 is a big deal you know i i mean i i understand this is a little bit arbitrary but like it's a quarter century it's a number that feels big to people it's it's always kind of a time to reflect on these things i remember the 20th as you do rob uh five years ago though it was um you know the 20th anniversary happened what would have been in 2021 we were still kind of in covid times like really in the height of covid times still believe it or not by that point and so that kind of distracted a little bit from it um anyway i guess i you know i i would just kind of start off by saying that obviously 9-11 for me i mean i was 18 on on 9-11 for basically everyone my age that was kind of our coming of age story and obviously for for people who know the show and are familiar with with my work um i you know it was the ron paul presidential campaign in 2008 it was actually in 2007 but he was running for 2008 but when i first saw him what sparked my interest in all this libertarianism and political stuff was about 9-11 it was the ron paul giuliani moment i mean it was it was about talking about what the causes of 9-11 were and of course over my whole career the i mean you know being talking about the response to 9-11 and the terror wars is probably the issue that i'm most branded with and for a reason and so anyway for all these reasons it's kind of interesting to me and then it's just i got lost in a lot of things but i think it's kind of interesting to me and i think a lot of footage of 2001 and just me and you were talking in the green room about what the uh you know just kind of like what the 90s felt like even though it was 2001 it was still kind of the 90s before 9-11 um and just you know you just kind of think about like what a different country that was how you used to live in that country how much our country's changed since then in many negative ways um and i don't know so anyway i say all of this rob i noticed this 9-11 and i've never seen this really before um i should let me i haven't seen this since the very beginning the first 9-11s after the first one where there was actually an attempt by several high profile people to not only kind of like reclaim some type of ownership over the the memory of 9-11 but at an actual attempt and we're going to get into this very blatantly to kind of rehabilitate the global war on terrorism and argue that actually we were justified in this response or actually that you know the youngsters are all mixed up about who the good guys and the bad guys actually are and it was almost like you know i remember at the very beginning you know i remember on on september 11 2001 and of course the period right after that where people would really emotionally use 9-11 to argue for what were you know catastrophic policies it's it seemed to me including some of the people who are out here trying to rehabilitate that they would have admitted in the in the subsequent years that obviously we all learned the lesson that these wars were terrible but now they are actually attempting something i have not seen before on an anniversary of 9-11 to rehabilitate the whole thing and so of course rob i think that's worth us responding to and smacking this down because this cannot stand but any thoughts you have on any of that stuff i'm curious to hear i mean it's a wild full circle while the iran war is going on everyone's mad about the iran war the exact piece of evidence for hey we should not get into this war because we just had 20 years of failed wars that uh resulted terribly uh to now be trying to turn around and go the other direction with it of no actually bush was great which i haven't actually heard anyone say that you can't say that what we did was great without praising bush no one wants to go that far hey guys we were wrong about dick cheney all these years you're not going to see them start saying that but they want to they want to go with the counterfactual of hey we've actually been safe for 25 years here maybe that whole thing was a big win yes rob and the reason dude you're so spot on and the reason why they won't mention dick cheney the reason why they won't mention george w bush rob is because then you start thinking about the specific shit that those guys did and that doesn't really work so what we've got to do is think a lot about 9-11 yada yada yada now that you're all emotional we're the good guys they're the bad guys again right now i will say i remember you know i've actually spent um more so than your i really spent a lot of time watching kind of old stuff like i was watching like letterman's first show after 9-11 and like all these different kind of and you're just like remembering the actual tone and the way people talked and i had dude letterman's first show back the whole thing is just praising rudy giuliani about what a hero he is man people are so electric they're just so wanted to hear that again no one can even point to the specific thing that mayor hero did he was just kind of there but we were emotional actually if you want to go look back at what mayor giuliani did hey you want to 9-11 conspiracy that'll throw you for one go look at how he removed the control center or he moved the control center to the 9-11 area when fucking everyone warned against it and this was part of the reason why the response was so messed up and so many firefighters died that day it's actually real interesting if you want to dig into that anyway it didn't matter we were just emotional okay but like i say this is someone who lived through that 9-11 the real the 9-11 and somebody who's also alive today there's there's a big fat excuse for being emotional on september 12 2001 there is zero excuse to try to like to try to do that in 2026 you know what i'm saying like like the blatant what we're about to watch like the blatant propaganda of it all like for them to try to get you to shut your brain off because this tragedy happened and only focus on that and therefore we're righteous um or or just i'm sorry go ahead i was gonna say i was just thinking um when you were saying that they're yada yada yada yada yada over apart it's a little bit of the alan dershowitz argument with the iran war he doesn't like this iran war he likes the concept of an iran war and so all these people that are talking about uh combating terrorism they're not really endorsing how we combat a terrorism but they do like the theoretical concept of combating terrorism in our country being safe yeah yeah no that's right i i think also a big part of this because we're going to play too close there's one from jeremy boring uh the the former ceo of the daily wire there's one from bill maher i think we'll do the bill maher one first because this is the one that's going super viral um although in some ways the the boring one is more uh infuriating but the part of this too is that as you pointed out which was really you know the the perfect point to make is that like this isn't happening in a vacuum this happens while currently we are fighting the most unpopular war in american history and rob the idea of trying to remove this war in iran from the government is not happening in a vacuum this is the global war on terrorism as if this is not a continuation is i mean i how do you say it's so laughable i mean literally guys go back and watch go watch the clips of benjamin netanyahu um go read his his piece in the new york times and you can read his op-ed that i think he wrote in the um i think it was in the wall street journal from from 2000 either early 2002 or late 2001 and you can look at every single interview every single immediately after 9-11 the message here is radical islamic terror and the states who support them they couldn't do this without the states and the states are Iraq and Iran. The states are Iraq and Iran. Oh, and don't forget about Hezbollah. Have you guys heard about the Palestinians? That's really the center of your 9-11 terrorism. I mean, it's just blatant, like so obvious. And Rob, the other news, which we may not even have time to talk about today, maybe for tomorrow, is what? That there's unrest in Syria going on right now. Was that not part of the global war on terrorism? Oh yeah, that's also the current war in Iran has led to massive increases in energy prices in Syria, where we toppled the government and put Al-Qaeda in charge. So now there is unrest in a country ruled by Al-Qaeda. Anyway, so yes, this is, we're in a moment, this is all tied to the global war on terrorism. And we're going to get into this Bill Maher clip first here. And it seems to me that the spirit of this clip is almost like, man, you know, 25 years later, these youngsters are so confused. To even be asking the question, whether we're the good guys or the bad guys in this whole fight, whether our government, whether it's as simple as we are over here, the good guys, and they are these savage Muslims and there should be no question. Like, like they're crazy to question that when in reality, anybody, anybody who's just being honest and looking at this will at least come to the conclusion that like, it's not so black and white. All right, guys, let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today's show, which is Body Brain Coffee, a sponsor very close to my heart, the brainchild of Louis J. Gomez, and a delicious cup of coffee that I drink every day because it naturally boosts your testosterone levels. 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There's a whole lot of aggression to go around here. A whole lot of innocent people have been killed on all sides. At the very least, you'd admit that. Anything else you want to say before we get in or you want to jump into the clip, Rob? No, let's watch Billy Mar. Billy Mar. Here you go. No rules since it's the 25th anniversary of 9-11. And since for 25 years, we've been kept relatively safe. From anything close to another 9-11. How about a hand to the Americans who made that happen? Okay, let's pause it right there. Let's already pause it right there. Now that is a hell of a frame job, Rob. I mean, that is some masterful framing to start a thing. Like, okay, first of all, if you're going to say that the whatever, there hasn't been another 9-11. Okay? Like, that is true. There has not been another 9-11. Let me get into that in a second. You'd notice, like, what they don't say, Rob, is there hasn't been another terrorist attack. Now, they're not going to say that. Because if you were to say there hasn't been another terrorist attack, people might start going like, well, I mean, there was that bombing in the marathon, and there was the San Bernardino shooting, and there was the Orlando nightclub shooting, and there was the, like, if you actually start getting into, like, how many terrorists, like, if you were to actually sit here, right, obviously, in terms of all of the radical Islam terrorist attacks, 9-11 is obviously the aberration, which is also part of why it leads to so many conspiracies. They never before or since pulled off anything like that. But if you just look at, say, like, Al Qaeda or ISIS-inspired terrorist attacks, or terrorist attacks from, um, Islamists who were motivated by U.S. foreign policy or something like that, actually, no, there's been a ton since 9-11. You just got to ignore all of them in order to pretend it hasn't happened. And in fact, if you wanted to look at that compared to, like, the rate in the 90s, like, what did they pull off in the 90s, Rob? They bombed the, the, um, the African embassy. They had one of those, you know what I'm saying? Like, they had a few things, but I actually think they've pulled off more since then. So, also, Rob, one more detail here, and I'll stop and you can go off for a little bit. But if these agencies get credit for another 9-11 not happening after 9-11, do they get any of the blame for 9-11 happening on 9-11? Do you know what our intelligence, uh, budget was for the, for the, the year that, uh, uh, uh, before 2001? Maybe like 40, 50 billion dollars a year? What was the military budget? What was the Pentagon budget? Hundreds of billions of dollars a year? For all of that money on a security force, they absolutely failed in the most massive of ways. And so, if they get the credit for not failing again in that way, do they get any of the blame? Do they get any of the blame for that day? This seems like an unfair standard. Also, like, very little things like, and I promise this is my last point, Rob, I'll turn it over to you. Very little things that have nothing to do with government policy essentially ensured that another 9-11 isn't going to happen. And the reason why another 9-11 isn't going to happen, for one primary reason is that, and, and people may not remember this, but, the common knowledge, the rule of thumb about hijacked airplanes back then, before 9-11, was give them what they want until we land the plane. That was what everyone thought. No one thought we're going to use these planes as missiles to go into a building and we're all going to die anyway, but kill a whole lot more people. And if that was the case, there's no way to get 60 or 90 people on a plane to just go to the back of the plane, which is evidently what they did. So, like, the thing's not going to happen without any intelligence agency, again. Something else might happen, but not this. So, already, Bill Maher's like five seconds in, and he's such a fraud. Your thoughts, Rob? I mean, all accurate points. The line that I really pick up on was his round of applause for those that have keeping us safe. It's like, no one's against us being safe. And as I had already pointed out, he's not going round of applause for Bush, round of applause for Cheney, round of applause for the war in Iraq, round of applause for the war in Afghanistan, round of applause for Guantanamo Bay. He's not talking to any of the specifics. He's just going with the larger theoretical idea of that people in government have kept us safe from terrorism, which you and I would both support, and is probably largely a border patrol issue, which even, you know, you could even look at 9-11 as an example of that. But it's a great way to start the segment to just go, hey, guys, let's give it up to everyone that kept us safe. Yeah, just, and without, of course, having to demonstrate that, like, oh, here's where there would have been another 9-11, but then the NSA did this, and anyway, here, let's keep playing. Because it didn't just happen. There was a war on terror, and we won. And yet, so much has changed since 9-11. For example, back then, we were against the terrorists. All right, just keep pausing. I'll pause it right here. So, of course, there was the yada yada, there was a war on terror, and we won. Like, where? Which theater? Like, just point to the theater. Where was it that we won? Okay, in Iraq, we toppled Saddam's secular government, the Ba'athist party, or maybe not a completely secular government. We toppled Saddam's government that was not involved with at all. A Ba'athist Sunni who hated the al-Qaeda guys. There were no al-Qaeda in Iraq. We toppled that government, and it led to al-Qaeda in Iraq, the creation of them. The al-Qaeda, before 9-11, bin Laden and al-Qaeda were like a few hundred guys. By the height of the global war on terrorism, the caliphate had taken over huge swaths of Syria and Iraq. And yes, it got rolled back, but largely by Putin and the U.S. military and the locals of the areas and lots of different forces. But it didn't happen. It didn't happen. It didn't happen. It didn't happen. But they, I mean, did we win in Libya? Was that where we won? Was it in Syria where the emir of al-Qaeda now runs the country? Like, give me the theater. Where did we win this global war on terrorism? I mean, we certainly, I could point to the costs very obviously. I guess it just doesn't even matter how many people died in any of these conflicts or how much we spent, but there is no win to speak of. I don't know. It's like he would never try to argue that any of those theaters was a win, but somehow you put them all together and it equals a win. Well, I guess he's just standing on the counterfactual of no 9-11 since 9-11. Would have been worse or something. All right, here, let's keep playing. Really? No cap. Now, now a lot of media outlets don't even want you to say the T word on the 20th anniversary for American journalism associations put out guidance that said terrorism should only be used in quotes because it's emotionally and politically loaded. Yes, I was the one. World Cup, but we don't put soccer in quotes. Really? We can't anymore just say out loud who the bad guys were that morning? Those 19 hijackers? They shared something. Oh, let's call it a worldview. And it wasn't astrology. But somehow over time, we've decided not to harp on that, the whole business about who wanted us dead and why. Let's not put a name on it. When it comes to terrorist attacks, please, there are very fine people on both sides. Here, let's pause it right here. Canadian. Just, is there, I mean, look, the one thing he stores there is that some Canadian newspaper had a stupid rule about quoting terrorism for some gay-ass liberal reason. Like, okay, that's dumb. But to pretend that the argument here, like, look, I'm not saying you can't find one dumb leftist on TikTok who said a dumb thing. But to pretend the argument here is that anyone's saying that, like, the terrorists were good. That was great what they did. Oh, man. There's something about the sound of planes smashing into innocent people, Rob, that we sure do like. Is that actually the position that you're taking on here? Because no one has that position. More like the position is that, like, it's not that these hijackers weren't bad people. And it was that obviously it wasn't okay to kill innocent people. Aside from the fact that a huge swath of the population just doesn't believe the official story of 9-11. But I think other than that, the point is that, okay, what the U.S. military was doing to these countries was also savage and barbaric. And it's very predictable that some people would want to kill some of yours after you've killed so many of theirs. And then in response to this attack, we started a whole bunch of wars against people who had nothing to do with 9-11 and slaughtered, you know, a hundred X, a thousand X times as many people as died on 9-11. I don't know. I'm not good at math. But what is that? A few thousand people died on 9-11 and we killed, like, four million people as a response to that. To question whether that's, it's just such a given that that's okay is not the same thing as saying terrorism is great. Obviously. In fact, Rob, what have I always been saying? I'm not saying we shouldn't use the word terrorism to describe Al-Qaeda. I'm just saying we should also use it to describe Benjamin Netanyahu and George W. Bush, and Barack Obama. That's all. 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But what he's doing here, which is really dishonest, is you and I will agree there was a movement for example to pretend that, you know, people who were transitioning were actually of that other gender and we saw a bunch of woke nonsense of trying to pretend reality wasn't reality and we can agree with Bill Maher that when people try and pretend non-reality is reality such as wearing a mask is going to keep you safe from a virus, that it gets in the way of people making educated decisions and us improving society. So in terms of the premise of that woke and pretending something isn't what it is, I agree 100%. We have not had that in regards to terrorism. That has not happened over the last 20 years. What we have had is a disagreement over what's going on in Gaza and who might be the more aggressive party over there. And since he is of the worldview of those are terrorists and Israel's a nation, he's trying to extend that situation in his worldview as if people have also looked at Al-Qaeda terrorists as actually being a noble party or someone that we, the oppressed that we shouldn't call them terrorists. No such academic conversation has ever taken place. He's actually being the woke one right now 'cause this does not exist in our reality. - Yeah, and in fact, again, if you notice, none of them ever can get down into the mud and actually make the argument, like if you're saying, we're the good guys and they're the bad guys, then okay, let's get into that. What is it specifically that makes them bad? Very clear, don't mince words, right? Like, because again, look, if I were to say to one of the hawks, let's say all I looked at, I said, all you need to know about who the good guys and the bad guys are here is one drone bomb that hit this wedding, okay? One drone bomb that Barack Obama sent to this wedding. He knew it was a wedding. He thought there was one suspect there and he killed 40 people because he thought there was one guy who might've been part of Al-Qaeda. Like that is murder, dude. He just murdered all these people. And that's it. That's how you know who's good and who's bad. So therefore the West is bad and the Muslims are good. Okay, what would be the problem with that sloppy ass thinking? Like any hawk would point out, okay, but you can't only look at this one strike. You also got to look at the fact that like 9/11 happened and you also got to look at the fact that they've been terrorists and you also got, okay, fine. But if that's true, then it also applies the other way. Then it also goes, you can't just look at 9/11. You have to also look at what was the US military policy tour toward the Muslim world before 9/11. What were their objections? Are any of them legitimate? You know, anyway, this is common sense shit. Here, let's keep playing. - In-state TV told its reporters, "Do not refer to the September 11th attacks "as terrorist attacks." No, even though the very definition of terrorism is using violence against civilians to pursue ideological goals. - Pause it right there, pause it right there. Hold on, pause it right there and don't take the screen off. Now what do you think about this right now? Bill Maher just offered a definition of terrorism. Bill Maher, the intentional use of violence by non-state actors against civilians in pursuit of political or ideological objectives. Now, is there anything in this definition that doesn't apply to the US military or the IDF other than the word non-state? Pull it back up for a second, Natalie. I want you to honestly tell me, Rob, if any of this, besides the word non-state, which, okay, if you get that in there, so all you're saying is because we're a government and you're not a government, we're good, if that's all you have, you don't have much of an argument. And aside from the word non-state, which I'll grant that Hamas is not a state or Al-Qaeda is not a state, even though Israel, in fact, with Hamas, that's the whole beef, but I'll grant they're non-state actors, but violence, okay, the use of violence against civilians in pursuit of a political objective, well, Rob, what is a bombing campaign? What is a. Now, if you wanna get into no, no, no, no, no, it has to be intentionally used against the civilians, well, that's, first of all, like, okay, fine. But, Rob, we've dealt with this a million times. That word intentional isn't a pro. Look, dude, you launch a war of choice and you know a whole bunch of people are gonna die in the process, then you intentionally did that. If you hit a wedding because you think there's one suspect there, well, if you wanna say there are acts in war where we meant to hit this coordinate that was a military coordinate, accidentally hit a little girl's school, fine, maybe you could call that involuntary manslaughter or keep that in some other separate category, but in terms of the overwhelming action that sanctions campaigns, that bombing campaigns, that acts of war are, where they target a civilian population, by this definition that Bill Maher has laid out, why would the destruction of Gaza or the destruction of Baghdad or the destruction of Libya, why would those not count as state terrorists? You tell me what I'm missing, Rob. - Yeah, no, I picked up on the big word there is non-state, which is a nice close circle that a state or a military can engage in the exact same activities. It's just if you haven't declared yourself. And by the way, even if you become a state, they'll declare that you're a state sponsor of terrorism or that you're a terrorist state. So it's not even a fair criteria because now all of a sudden if you are a terrorist state, you're a terrorist state. So I guess that it doesn't matter. It still comes down to-- - And we do that too. And we give weapons to terrorist organization and we give money to terrorist organizations. Again, while Benjamin Netanyahu is himself calling everyone else a state sponsor of terrorism, he's the one who funded Hamas. He's the state sponsor of terror. So again, there's just, if you're gonna say things like, "Remember, we are the good guys and they are the bad guys." Like, okay, again, Rob, I'm actually not against that, but give me the answer. objective standard. Like in one sense, if you were going to say, well, hey, we are better than them because like in our culture, we respect property rights and we respect like freedom and we have, you know, or something like that. Yeah. That totally makes sense of why I'd rather live here than there. But if you're going to say you're talking about this conflict, you're talking about attacks from them against us and attacks from us against them, and you're just going to say, we're the good guys, then you're going to have to actually have an argument for that. Sorry. Again, like, sorry if this makes people emotional. I know on some level people want to be like, yeah, we're number one, but let's have a real conversation like adult men here. All right, let's keep playing. The passenger. A wrong turn taken at the Chrysler building. Why not just say the planes and the towers? Got into a fight. Just pause it so far. So like, I think so far, the only point Bill Maher has made is that 9-11 was terrorism and they, the Al Qaeda isn't good. So, okay. I concur. Let's keep playing. I mean, after all, as the BBC advised its reporters using the word terrorist can be a quote, barrier rather than an aid to understanding, you know, what's really a barrier to understanding lying. Back in 2001, after the attack, I said this political correctness itself is something we can no longer afford. Feelings are going to get hurt. So that actually, you know, I'm not going to Actual people won't. Well, it didn't last. I mean, my show. As for the idea of ditching political correctness and actually being honest, that never even got off the ground. After 9-11, there was a big debate. Was this a clash of civilizations? It was, and it still is. Not between Muslims and Christians. No reasonable person was saying that. But radical Islamism versus Western liberalism? Yes, that's a real thing. Fighting people who hate freedom of religion. Again, just pause it for a second. Gino, I mean, just think about for a second how profoundly dishonest it is to say that, okay, look, it's not Christians versus Muslims. It's radical Islam versus Western liberalism. As if that's what's in this fight. Liberalism, Rob. They hate us for our freedom. What do we mean? What do we mean by liberalism? I don't know. Some vague thought about the Enlightenment, perhaps. It's Osama bin Laden against free speech. And it's Osama bin Laden against, I don't know, what? Like the Magna Carta or something. When really, obviously, the comparison would be the brutality of U.S. militarism. I mean, that's what we're talking about. But what we are to pretend that the former doesn't exist are those big metal machines of death that we send over to the Middle East that drop explosives all over human beings like that is just we're not allowed to what factor that in that level of human suffering, which objectively speaking, dwarfs by orders of magnitude anything that the American people have suffered. That just can't enter the conversation. It's as if that doesn't exist, Rob. It's not it's not, you know, the military presence in Saudi Arabia and the brutal sanctions campaigning against Iraq that killed hundreds of thousands of people and the brutal military occupation of Palestine by the Israelis funded by the U.S. None of that. It's like, you know, like a girl reading a book at the library versus Osama bin Laden. Now, you tell me. Who's the good guy there, Rob? Have I done anything here? I mean, like, why not? We could switch that around and just like talk about like a girl in the Middle East or something like that versus the U.S. military. I don't know. This is silly. Anyway, here's some more Bill Maher propaganda. We'll get to boring soon. Fools and hate the idea of women as equal and free humans. How did liberals wind up on their side? And many did. One in five young Americans. Now has a positive view of Osama bin Laden. He's like Luigi Mangione in a turban. You hear it in a lot of places now that the worst thing about 9-11 was innocent Muslims came under suspicion. Yeah, where that did happen, it's wrong. But the worst thing about 9-11 was 3000 people got roasted at the office. But the prevailing view of so many young people is that, well, come on, we're the worst country ever. So if someone attacks us, that can't be all bad. That certainly wasn't the attitude 25 years ago. In fact, I know a guy whose show got canceled just for saying the terrorists weren't cowards. Can you stop? I'm sorry. Yeah. It's just a bunch of lines that are driving me nuts. The argument is not, hey, if someone attacks us, we're bad. The argument is, hey, let's not go around the world fucking up other people's shit because it gives them a reason. It's making us less safe. And there's a big difference there. It's not justifying when people engage in terrorism. It's just saying maybe there's a better strategy to prevent terrorism, which includes not pissing these people off. And by not pissing these people off, it doesn't mean not getting retribution. It means not doing, you know, active things to instigate and to look at what blowback theory is, that if you're going to then also try and clamp down on these people, you might create more future terrorists. That's not a justification. That's not a justification for their actions. It's a completely different statement. Dude, you know, it's funny. I've had a few different people. I believe it was Coleman Hughes, I think, said this to me when I debated him. And I think there's a couple other people who have said similar things to me over the years where they've said things like where I'll say something along the lines of like, yeah, but put yourself in the position of someone in Gaza, you know, like making whatever point I'm making, like to you, you know, Netanyahu's Adolf Hitler. I mean, he's the one who killed your mother and your sister, you know, like he's. And. And I remember Coleman said this, a few other people have said something similar where they go, yeah, even if I put myself in that perspective, I would I might be mad at the IDF, but I'd also be mad at my own leadership. You know, I'd also be mad at Hamas for doing October 7th that then caused this attack. I'd also be mad at Arafat for not taking this deal at all. So, like, in other words, their position is that as as somebody in Gaza over the last three years, while I'm in a living hell and I'm holding my, you know, the part of my baby that I just recovered from. This building and my wife's already been killed and my life has been destroyed. I'm supposed to in that moment have the presence of mind to go, you know, my leadership is somewhat responsible for this, too. Yet me and you, Rob, sitting over here in a first world country, in air conditioned studios with all the luxuries in the world, having no immediate threat to our loved ones and no immediate threat to our own safety. We and Bill Maher, the guy worth one hundred million dollars and has been for we can't sit here and go, hey, what role? If any? Did our leadership have in provoking this attack? What response did we have to this? If we are going to be so which we should rightfully be. But if we are going to be so appalled at the loss of three thousand innocent people, how can we just yada yada? Notice it doesn't even come up in Bill Maher's thing here. It's not even a thought. We're talking about the response to 9-11 and the global war on terrorism. We have killed millions of innocent people. Do you know how many 9-11s that is? Like, it's just it's it's insane that you just would you shut this part of your brain off? Then we're not having a real conversation. Anyway, like this is true in any relationship. If you imagine like me and my wife are having some humongous fight and then at the end of it, we're going to sit down and go, OK, here's why I'm team good and your team bad. And everything you did was right. It's just like it's too insane. All right, guys, let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today's show, which is. 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All right, let's play a little bit more of this before we switch to the next one. And that guy was right. They weren't cowards, but I'll tell you who is. Democratic Party politicians, and I'll tell you why. Because nowhere has this moral confusion become more obvious than in a place called Gaza. A little strip of land that was not part of the original Israel, but which they won in a war launched against them, but then gave back. Gave back. So just pause it. Pause it right here. Also, Bill Maher, I mean, he just does this shit, dude. He's like lecturing young people. Let me tell you a little something about this little place called Gaza, okay? Israel won it in a war launched against them, and then they gave it back. Hey, Rob, no, they didn't. They're a fucking liar. This is absolutely not true. They won it in the 1967 war that Israel launched. This was a preemptive war. By the way, Ben Shapiro and Dennis Prager and Menachem Begin have all admitted this. Menachem Begin called it a war of choice. You know who Menachem Begin is, right, Rob? The peacenik, lefty, Israeli, right? Yes, the founder of the Likud Party, the fucking psychopath terrorist. What was it? He was the Lehi guy. I can't remember which terrorist organization he worked for. I think it was the Lehi. Anyway, no, they launched a war against Egypt. Then Jordan jumped in. They won the war, and then they just took Gaza. But first of all, they launched the war against Egypt, the Egyptian military. Nobody is even making a claim that the people of Gaza started the war. And so because Israel launched a war against Egypt, I mean, don't get me wrong, Egypt was like mobilizing their military. But as Menachem Begin said, they didn't know that they were going to attack them, and they didn't have to launch a war. There were lots of other options there. This is what Menachem Begin said, who I think was defense minister at the time. No, no, no, that can't be right, because it was, what's his name, was defense minister during the 1967 war. I'm sorry, I got that wrong. Sorry, I'm getting confused. Anyway, but no, they launched a war against someone else, then just took that territory. And Rob, we've said this a million times, they gave it back in 2005. Yes, meaning they took down the settlements, and they removed the military occupation, but they still controlled the borders, the sea space, the airspace, the water, the electricity, the tax revenue. Like, no, they did not give it back. So this is like, Bill Maher just, first off, makes a claim that is objectively wrong. Israel wasn't attacked in the 67 war. They launched the 67 war. It's a fact of history. And then just. You know, scoffs down at all these, these guys. We can, we can get off of this. But look here, the obvious point is like, Bill, you're going to bring up Gaza, and you're going to pretend that you can't possibly understand why the young people after that aren't so convinced that we're the good guys, and they're the bad guys. And that's as simple as it is. That's really what you've got here. All right. Okay, well, I've got a lie about history, the lie about history, which, Rob, isn't it so insane? The Israeli lie is always, we tried to give you away. It's like a slave owner, like, insisting that he offered his slave freedom once 20 years ago, and therefore, it's totally morally justified that he enslaves the guy. Like, what? You don't, that's not something you offer once and then get credit for offering. You're never allowed to enslave people. You have to offer that every second of every day. Like, it's just, it's so ridiculous, Rob, that this is actually an argument people use. Go ahead, your thoughts. Well, it's just, the whole segment is so odd, because I agree with him 100%. Let's call things what they are. But then he goes on to misrepresent what people are actually criticizing about the terror wars and our foreign, you know, our foreign mishaps of launching all these wars. Yeah, that's right. Here, let's switch over to the Jeremy Boring one real quick, because I wanted to make sure I address this, just because, look, for people who don't know, and it is an unfortunate name, but Jeremy Boring was the CEO of the Daily Wire from the beginning to, like, their entire thing. It was him and Ben Shapiro did Daily Wire together. Now, they had some type of falling out, I think, and they don't like each other anymore, because that's what happens when, you know. Really? The two of them don't get along? Yeah, well, this is what happens when really terrible people do things together. It does come back to bite you. Wow, what a bunch of catty bitches. I didn't even know that they weren't working together anymore. But isn't it actually kind of perfect, though? It's just like, yeah, because that's the quality of people they are. Now they're like, yeah, okay, they don't talk anymore. Anyway, but so it's interesting, because, one is it does really reveal something that this is, and this is kind of the thing I got at in this debate with Alan Dershowitz. You know, I debated Alan Dershowitz the other day, or a week ago or something. And I mean, look, whatever it was, it was one of those. It was one of those. The reaction's been pretty incredible. But the one the big moment from the debate that everyone seemed to like the most that went the most viral. I mean, the whole thing was a one sided beatdown. I mean, he really just had nothing. But there was one point where he spurred out and started calling me an anti-Semite, because I said he had disproportionate loyalty to a foreign country. And then I just hit him with the example of how he left his lifelong political party over this foreign country. And man, that looked bad for him, because that it really is tough to say, you left your lifelong political commitment over one issue, and then argue, what do you mean I'm devoted to that issue? It's just too insane. But this is this is what lets you know that, like, it actually isn't a conspiracy theory to think of people like Alan Dershowitz as a fifth column who will be activated as in effect a foreign agent, because like, that's what he is. And you see this, we're like, oh, right. So all the other bullshit that they pretend to be about, don't get it twisted. This is all the Daily Wire was ever really about. Right. And this is the reason why just how about this real clear? Here's here's a real clear example. Think about all the things that Ben Shapiro would claim to believe in. Right. Rob, think of all the things he would have claimed to believe it. He's an Orthodox Jew. He's he's for free market capitalism. He's against cultural degeneracy. He's for fiscal sanity. He's he's for a deregulated free economy. He he believes in a million different things. Right. And he would sit there and say, you know, dude, for someone to say that all I really care about is Israel or all I really care about is the wars. First off, that's a lie. It's an anti-Semitic conspiracy theory. Of course, that's all the Jew cares about. OK. Meanwhile, Ben Shapiro will sit down and have a friendly conversation. With destiny. Would he ever do that with me? No. Wait, why is that? Come on, guys. We all know the answer. Why is that? Even though supposedly on Ben Shapiro's worldview, I am just a way not only way closer to him, a way better person, like just objectively, I'm a guy who believes in God and loves his wife and is faithful to her and raises my kids. I'm a guy who believes in free market economics. All that. Then you have someone out here who would be like promoting like degeneracy and abortion and like the the most from your worldview, a cartoon character of who would be like the most evil person. But you're not really that exercised by him. You know, you see a lot of hints like this all around. Anyway, let's get. So so I saw this because that who is that from the Babylon Bee? I'm blanking on his name, but he shared it. Those guys are the worst. I mean, they listen again. I never even I never like go to the like seven thousand dollars or like you're paid by that. Yeah. Like I don't say I have no inside knowledge about any of this, but you're like, you guys, you better be foreign agents. I'd have less respect for you if you're not. But these are guys who, by the way, would have. And people were pulling out old tweets of this Babylon Bee guy. I really am blanking on his name. I'm not trying to. One of them is Seth Dillon, but it's not him. It's the other guy. It's something like that. So he he used to claim like a lot of these guys, like the Gunther Eagleman clip. They used to be right with me. Two thousand twenty four. Yeah. No new wars. That's why you got to support Donald Trump. Yeah. Where's the deep state? Kamala Harris is going to get you into more wars and then flipped on a fucking dime to support this shit. Now they want to go back and say this. Now, here, Jeremy Boring is actually going to be way more blatant than Bill Maher is here. Of course. So here, let's let's let's go to that clip to our global war on terror veterans and the families of those who lost their lives in that conflict. I say only this. Thank you. The global war on terror was a virtuous war in defense of American interests. It sought to avenge three thousand of our fellow citizens who were murdered on our own soil to pursue justice for them and their loved ones, to deter further attacks by the vultures who were circling and believed we could never recover from such a wound. - Pause it for a second. sorry this is you know his thing was he always wanted to be an actor that was he always wanted to be like in hollywood as you can see this is he thinks he's got his big opportunity here hey wow jeremy riveting performance and thank you for invoking all of those dead people and standing on their uh their memory um who did 9-11 i'm sorry was this saddam hussein's iraq no no no mamar gaddafi's libya must have been bashar al-assad over in syria i think it was those houthis in yemen was it any of them oh no no that's right it was the regime in somalia who we've been bombing for 24 years nope not them either huh well it must have been those dirty palestinians good thing we destroyed gaza was it was it hezbollah who were bombing in south like in this global war on terrorism how many people who didn't do 9-11 are you allowed to kill in the name of 9-11 i'm sorry i know you're in the middle of this like very emotional thing and you're thinking about all those people i'm just wondering how many people who had absolutely nothing to do with those people dying are you morally allowed to murder in the name of those people who died now by the way i left you know afghanistan out of there because you know okay look there were al-qaeda bases in in afghanistan now if you want to argue that we're allowed to fight a 20-year regime change war against the taliban because they were the i think that's a pretty um ridiculous claim but by the way you lost that war so so you lost that one and the taliban still runs al-qaeda plus they got like you know insane amounts of our weaponry so what on earth are you talking about mr facts don't care about your feelings all you seem to have here are feelings how do you feel rob let's watch some more of this all right let's we saw it to project our power into that part of the world where our enemies had plotted and schemed against us it did so perfectly oh he did so imperfectly by the way i'd love the precision there rob listen when you are attacked in war you have every right to respond to that part of the world you know i remember thinking um you know uh as i heard the story of world war ii and the war i just thought get europe you know like maybe you miss and you just take out sweden or something like that but we have every right to project our power into that part of the world we divide the this is what happens if there's a terrorist attack you divide the world into four quadrants and anything in the quadrant that the terrorism came from is fair game like what is that project our power into that part of the world for u.s interests whole lot of vague shit to say start with the world war is a war of choice wars of aggression based on sold on lies against 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show also the uh. projecting power stated like it's some amazing noble goal and if there's some quota of power projection that needs to happen at all times yeah rob can you uh. just since you adjusted your shirt you sound way way lower can you just move the mic over a little bit oh i might have lost my microphone actually oh maybe that's what happened i might have to get fully undressed on camera and find this microphone the audience is about to get a real show rob can you just can you take your pants off and say that again the audience is about to get a real show here um. all right hold on one second you were on project power the idea that projecting power is just good well getting undressed on camera that's what's good um yeah they say projecting power like it's some amazing noble goal or that we need some constant quota met of power projection you know what's a better goal is making our lives fucking awesome and not spending money all over the world and uh. showcasing that freedom can really work out and that we can live great lifestyles over here and you know what else you could do to project power project power is grow the shit out of your economy and have a lot of technological developments that if somebody wants to mess with you you've got all the resources in the world to go ahead and take them on but the idea that you just have to go around the world and blow shit up so that other people are afraid of you comes right back to what we've been talking about which is when you do that people are pretty mad at you and then you actually get yourself into messes of long wars of what we got going on in iran right now where you're flirting with disasters and you showcase hey we're not actually that powerful and you create more enemies than you actually are and you're not actually that powerful and you create more enemies than you actually are perfect no were mistakes made yes was there corporate greed yeah in other words was there corporate greed yes in other words weapons companies profited to the tune of trillions of dollars off of babies dying torturous deaths huh okay i i just got to restate it the idea of uh don't remember why we fought these wars well i remember why we fought the iraq war and that's they lied to us about weapons of mass destruction and saddam hussein's uh i'm yeah uh hussein's involvement in 9-11 i guarantee positive i guarantee positive reverberations will spread throughout the region where the it was the exact quote from benjamin netanyahu in 2002 when he testified before congress am i remembering well enough jeremy boring is that the type of remembering you wanted was it the remember like when we were uh promised you that uh gaddafi was about to go genocidal was was that should we remember that let's really remember every single claim they made about every single one of these wars and how they were all lies all right let's keep let's let jeremy finish up story that's the politician's story let them have it stop letting them lay those failures on the backs of you and your fellow soldiers you didn't fight for evil and you didn't fight for nothing your friends didn't die for you you didn't die for evil and your friends didn't die for nothing the men whose names you have tattooed on your arms deserve not only be remembered by you but to be honored by you too especially today don't let the online grifters monetizing your pain make you believe otherwise truly they will have their reward may they choke on it you served honorably the wars in which you served were honorable the wars weren't a lie the interests were real the cause was just the ordinary mistakes of fallen human beings doing impossible things under impossible pressure they don't retroactively erase the morality of what you did i mean rob it's literally nothing but an appeal to emotion it's funny like people but the people on the daily wire side they'll criticize me of appealing to emotion because i bring up the fact that so many like kids die in a war and i'll have to point out to them that that's not actually what an appeal to emotion is that's just an appeal to morality which is a totally reasonable thing to do when you talk about war um but this is blatantly just an appeal to emotion remember your buddy remember the sacrifice remember his name was tattooed on you don't let them blame him rob who is blaming the soldier who got tricked into this shit who who is it that's gone out there and said the war on terrorism the global war on terrorism was an absolute disaster it was evil it was sold off lies and you know who i blame your buddy john who bought into the propaganda and joined the war on terrorism the army and went over there no we're blaming the politicians who lied us into these conflicts okay we're blaming the top that's who we're blaming and you're sitting here running cover for them tell me if i'm wrong have you ever heard chance of your buddy was a war criminal or do we say george w bush and dick cheney and condoleezza rice were war criminals anyway it's all just like for him to try to go back and this is this is what these guys are this is who they're actually this is what they're actually doing and they're not doing it for this is what they're actually here to do to try to go back and rehabilitate the most disastrous policy in modern american history and the nerve of these people who think they're any better than the socialists the nerve of you to think you're any better than the socialists you are socialists the military is socialism by the way anyone ever tell jeremy boring that it's social you stand for socialism just only the socialism of death you object to all the malinvestment in the socialism of providing health care which by the way we do too there's a whole lot of malinvestment in that but you have no problem with the with the military which has all the malinvestment of medicare plus the added bonus of murdering babies all right i gotta the daily wire for murdering babies i gotta get the hell out of here but uh all right rob you get out of here i want to make one more point before we wrap up well here i'll make one more point solo uh on this but i did just have to before we we wrap up i had to address the final point that jeremy boring makes there at the end um which is that which is what and don't let any of the online grifters fool you otherwise because that's that's all any of us could be who are opposing the war you know it reminds i was um if you remember one time when i was debating chris cuomo he said uh he said something like that in the middle of the debate oh it made me so angry he shouldn't have said it too i just became more vicious um but he said if you remember at one point in the debate that like i said something and he had no response to it and he goes you know what dude that's good for clicks on the internet but blah blah or something and it just made me so angry that it's like oh that's all you can say is essentially you can attack my motivation i'm only in this for the money or something like that and it's particularly with the coveted stuff with cuomo it's like hey man it really didn't feel that way through 2020. it really didn't feel that way through 2021. it's just like now that we were proven right and the audience agrees with us now you say it's not true it's not true it's not true you say it's easy but like chris cuomo you took all those cnn checks you didn't seem to have a problem with that anyway my point with jeremy boring is it's like how do you get to uh that's what that idiot of adam susnick said to me in the debate you're just doing this for clicks and i was like dude we're all in front of a camera right now like jeremy boring you're in front of a camera you're trying to get clicks do you want more clicks or less clicks you want more right okay so what is that so you're just going to say oh the motives of anyone who's against the global war on terrorism is that they just want clicks but the goal of anybody who's trying to rehabilitate the image of these catastrophic wars they could only be doing that out of the you know goodness of their heart or something like that notice not only is he trying to rehabilitate this thing in the face of this the latest war in the global war on terrorism which is in some ways a unique catastrophe even compared to the others he's trying to rehabilitate this image and he's coming with no argument no argument pure emotionalism and then a shot at the integrity of anyone who's against it well jeremy boring okay there's a reason why you weren't the front man for daily wire there's a reason why you didn't make it in hollywood like you wanted to and there's a reason why this ain't gonna work as long as i got breath in my lungs i'm gonna make sure i smack this down um all right that's our show for today thank you guys very much come out dallas at fort worth this weekend really looking forward to it comicdavesmith.com uh hyenas comedy clubs uh hope to to see some of you guys out there all right have a good one peace