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Copyright 2026, Anheuser-Busch, Michelob Ultra Light Beer, St. Louis, Missouri. Coming up on the Zach Lowe Show from San Antonio. Holy smokes. I know it ended up being a 10-point game. It will never reflect how intense the atmosphere for Game 1 was. One of the most viscerally, emotionally intense atmospheres I've ever been at. Helped along by a solid, let's say, 6, 8, 10% contingent of Knicks fans in the building who were very, very noisy. Dueling chants in the concourse. Dueling chants in the arena. Twice, the Spurs opened up double-digit leads, and it looked like they're on the verge of reminding the Knicks, hey, you're coming from the JV Conference. This is a whole new bottle of wax here in the West. And the Knicks walked them down both times. Tie game going into the fourth quarter. Knicks go up by 8, and you think, there, he got control of the game. Spurs come back, take a one-point lead. Just one crazy. Intense play after another. Jalen Brunson late in the game. Just outstanding. Knicks get contributions from everybody. They win yet again. Stan Van Gundy is here to break down everything that happened in the game and talk about how the Spurs and Knicks both might adjust in game two. And then I talk a little bit about at the end just stuff going around in the league. That's all coming up after this on the Zach Lowe Show. Welcome to the Zach Lowe Show from San Antonio. Look who's here. It's Stan Van Gundy. And coach, let me tell you, that was one of the most intense games I've ever been at in my life. The atmosphere was off the charts. I know home fans probably hate the Knicks invasion of their arena. And it was only like, I'm going to say, 8% to 10%. Knicks fans, maybe that's even a little high. But they were loud. And in the concourse, I was walking to my seat before the game, there were let's go Knicks chants that were being answered by go Spurs go chants. I thought that was awesome. There were no stoppages in the game until the first time out. And it was just this roaring, endless intensity. The crowd was one of the loudest and just shriekingest I've heard in that five minutes where there was no stoppages. A fan ran onto the floor. And by the way, all his friends should shun him forever. And shame him. And security was far too polite with him. They should have decked him and laid him out on the court and taken him off. And then we had some incredible clutch free throw shooting. When Benyama hits two free throws to put the Spurs ahead, Bridges hits two massive free throws and just calms, just steps up to put the Knicks up by four. But to me, the peak intensity was Knicks go up 94-86 with about six minutes left, coach. And I wrote down in my notes, this is now, look, we've seen. We've seen massive comebacks in six minutes. The Knicks just made one at the beginning of the conference finals. I wrote down on my notes, this is now a must win for the Knicks. They cannot lose this game from eight points ahead on the road as slight underdogs in the series would be a catastrophe and boom, 90 run Spurs, take the lead and then Brunson with one of the biggest shots of his life on an offensive rebound that he tipped out and got it out and got the three in the corner. Yeah. I mean, I, the Knicks ended up winning. By 10, cause they're just gonna end up winning every close game by double digit points to keep the streak going. But in terms of like nerves and intensity and just my intensity watching the game, it was one of the most intense games I've ever been at tied after three quarters, Knicks walked him down from two big deficits, one in the second quarter and again in the third quarter. And you could just feel the tension in the arena. It was awesome. I don't know if it felt that way watching on TV. Well, I mean, I don't think you ever, when you're watching on TV, totally. Feel what's in an arena, but yeah, look, I mean, I, I think we felt it from the time the Knicks tied up the Atlanta series and then just started dominating people. The, the fervor of New York fans, they've waited a long time. They feel like this is their chance and you're right. They don't have to have a majority of the arena. They're, they're the most fervent fans in this year's playoffs. And. You know, it, it, you feel it every time a game goes on, I mean, you live there, I've got, you know, my daughter and her husband live in New York and it, it, it's taken over the entire city there. We had, we also had a Brunson injury scare, two injury scares, one in the first half that looked like, Oh, he goes back to the locker room and he comes back and has a fantastic last fourth, fourth quarter beginning and end in the middle of the Knicks offense dried up a little bit. And the swimmers went on that run and then he makes an incredible dagger over Devin Vassell at the end of the game. 0 : Yeah. The atmosphere is awesome. The fans are awesome. And New York, if they had, I, if they had gotten a split and now they're guaranteed a split, it was a given that MSG was going to just be off the charts in games three and four. And now politics aside, we have this wild card coming for game three. And let me tell you, Stan, I saw a lot of league ops. People league staffers, the bracing for the president to attend game three at Madison square garden, just logistically, like how are we going to get everyone in the arena out of the arena? How long is he going to stay? Is he going to get booed if they show him on the jumbo Tron? It's an added layer of craziness that I don't even like that game is going to be madness, but we have, we have to get there first. What's your big, I mean, low scoring game Spurs actually their fourth lowest points per possession. Any game this season, two of those four are against the Knicks. When Benyama six of 21 did get 13 free throws Josh Hart, sensational game, Jose Alvarado's minutes off the bench when Brunson was hurt were, were like just awesome and delightful and just what every championship team needs a guy stepping in like that when he might not even be in the rotation, but I know we were texting a little bit last night and I know your, your focus was on a lot of things, but the cat Wemby matchup and sort of picking up the pivot point of the series stood out to, is that where you want to start? Yeah, sure. Look, I thought cat was fabulous on both ends of the floor and, and I thought that, you know, obviously rebounded the ball. He drove the ball on Wimby. He was aggressive, didn't turn the ball over and stayed out of foul trouble. I mean, I think the big thing is, is to keeping him out there on the floor and aggressive is huge in this series. And I thought it was easily the worst playoff game when Benyama has played all year. I thought he was horrible on both ends to be honest. I mean, he, he just, I would say the thing he's got to do, it's pretty simple. He wants it so badly, which I admire. And he's a young guy with great talent. He got to calm down a little bit. I thought he took terrible shots. You know, it was just forcing everything. And I thought defensively on cat, I understand cat's passing and he wanted to pressure, but he was never in a balanced stance with any chance to defend and just letting him go by. He just got to still play hard, obviously, but he's got to calm down. And then he, and they have got to get him the ball in better spots and closer to the basket. Look, he didn't have an offensive rebound. I mean, he's got to get the ball in the first three quarters and it's hard to get one when you're spending the entire night standing behind the three point line and you know, the three point shot is a nice weapon for him, but nine threes too many in that game. He's got to get around the basket, six turnovers in the game too, besides his six for 21 shooting, I'm just not good enough. And the bottom line is like Brunson wasn't good enough either. For three quarters. But then Brunson had the great fourth quarter and when we got better in the fourth until he had the huge turnover after. So we get a, just a stupid foul by De'Aaron Fox with one 11 to go to put bridges to the line to make two bridges, caught the ball in the middle of the floor. Like you don't need to fouling there just guard him. And that was off a double, the first real double of the game. Yeah. They blitzed Brunson. He made a good pass. But just all he had to do was play. So to me, those two plays right there, really bad. foul and then Wimbinyama turns it over at the other end um we're ended up being the game um so they've got to be better I I think um you know the cap thing was incredible and you said it Josh Hart oh my god that is the most for the level of play we're talking huge game that's the most impactful three-point game I think anybody's ever had and it showed up look I take the plus minus on a single game with a grain of salt on a single game but it's to me last night it stood out they were plus 22 with him on the floor I'd be 15 rebounds six assists and no turnovers four steals and a block he was everywhere and I think he's the guy most responsible for the game for the toughness and resilience this team has shown in this playoff run so I thought he was great and let's not forget Shamit I mean there were some big shots to just sort of keep him afloat um there for a long time he would sort of disappear down the stretch but I think look if I'm seeing Antonio I'm looking at it and going okay like we were bad and we're right there until the end of the game the end like let's make some adjustments and I think there's some they can make and let's just get ready to go out in game two we're a great team and if we can win game seven in Oklahoma City we can certainly win in Madison Square Garden no question so um you know I don't think there's any reason for them to panic neither team shot the ball very well which I think you know not surprising Zach you've been in a lot of games like that I mean as you said the intensity was so high and everybody was like oh my god I'm going to win this game I'm going to win this game everybody was so juiced up that other than Champinney um everybody had trouble well and and Shamit everybody had trouble getting the ball to go down from three so um I think it's going to be a great series I thought last night was fabulous um and I'm interested to see how they come out in game two yeah 11 of 43 on threes for the Spurs uh although if you look at the tracking data and the wide open shot data it was pretty even in terms of shot quality the Spurs actually have a lot of shots in a row and they're up 63 50 in the second quarter and in like a two-minute span when Benyama misses a wide open three they get an offensive rebound Castle misses a wide open three then Dylan Harper misses an open two and Champinney misses a three off a handoff and those are the stretches like I wrote in my notes I don't think it's going to be a wide open three but I think it's Spurs are missing some good looks here when they could have gone up like 16 18 19 and really changed the game but I want to start with the cat Wemby thing because I agree well first of all Josh Hart the rebounds the assists all that I thought his defense on Castle late in the game was like unbelievable he was getting over every screen and even when they chipped him a little bit he was staying in front of Castle and kind of standing him up in isolation so I wanted to give him a little love cat Wemby only 28 percent of his field goal attempts came in the restricted area that's extremely low for him cat was physical he was showing his hands as best he could and I was waiting for that first foul and it did not come for a long time and like that is such a critical variable in the series with Mitchell Rob I thought Mitchell Robinson looked good he blew the one putback dunk that made you wonder about can he grip the ball but I thought I thought he looked all right if they can get 48 minutes every game out of those two guys and not have to bring in and it'll be at center or whatever you're like playing D is that's huge but you said get him the ball closer to the rim and adjustments the Spurs can make so how at Wemby is set a fair number of ball screens a little bit low I thought he rolled really hard to the basket for the most part and the Knicks defense on those plays was like off the charts good like they were bumping him multiple times bumping him high bumping him low and rotating out like on the flight of the ball to shooters I thought their defense was great. So how like give us some concrete coach ways to get Wemby some better touches. Well I think the biggest one and Tim Legler pointed it out on the on the broadcast in the second half I think they've had good success when they've gotten him the ball at the elbow much like the Knicks have had success in this playoff run when they've gotten the ball to cap there from the from the elbow like it's tough to get guys as you know now it's tough to get guys to ball. In the low post when he's not the strongest guy in the world but they've really worked hard with him on holding his position at the elbow you know you see all these and Zach you always get to games early when you get there and you watch all these pregame workouts and the thing I've noticed San Antonio during the year a lot of times just guys getting shots up when he works every game before the game on holding position and catching the ball just catching the ball and spots and last night they didn't go to that but one time in the game that I remember from the elbow Wemby can get to the rim obviously in one dribble and he's right there and then I think that's what's going to put the pressure on cat if all of his catches are at the three-point line even if he's driving the ball number one you've got chance a lot easier chance to get help to him a lot more time and cat can cushion. I thought one of the great things cat did cat hasn't always been the most disciplined defender I thought one of the best things he did last night is he didn't overreact on Wemby's threes now granted he didn't make them but he wasn't going for shot fakes and lifting up he just guarded the ball and and I think that's the way you have to play him I think if he makes threes he makes threes but if you can keep him away from the basket like I said didn't have an offensive rebound in the first three quarters I thought Mike Brown's decision you know so many people were talking about going into the series oh they're going to play Wemby I mean they're going to play OG on Wemby I I didn't think they would and I thought his decision was very good to play big on him I think when you play small we saw it last night you know down the straight and then in the Knicks comeback there they put Wemby on him and I think that's the way he's going to play and I think that's the way he's going to play heart and cat just went to work on inside and on the offensive boards I don't like the cross match I mean you can do it at times I thought that was a mistake by San Antonio I thought Mike Brown's game plan um was tremendous but I think if Wemby can get the ball at the elbow and then they can operate off of that um I think they've got a chance to to be pretty good I also think Wemby on the roll first of all he's got a screen better he's so worried about getting out that he's not screening anybody um he had the one illegal screen um but he's got a screen better and then I think they can look for him more on the short roll anytime he can get that ball in the free throw line area and be carrying it to the rim they're going to be in good shape yeah I went back and I watched all his screen and rolls and you're right he's slipping out early and you just watch because like they're they're getting the Spurs are getting what they should want on that play which is Wemby going hard to the rim against a defense that's slightly in rotation and they got some good threes out of it like Harper hit a quarter three off a Fox kick out and you know Fox hit a corner three off someone else's big castle got a couple threes Champagny was on fire a lot of that came out of that action but the Knicks defense was just awesome I mean they were bumping them like they would set those there weren't even staggered screens sometimes sometimes like the ball handler would have one screener on one side and another on the other side it's like a choice and the whatever he would go the ball handler would use Wemby's screen and the guy on the other screener would bump Wemby early and then someone would bump him late and they just made it really hard and like I looked up the numbers this is crazy on Wemby ball screens 0.54 points per play out directly out of them which is the fourth lowest number in any Spurs game this season and 0.7 points for possessions also the fourth lowest number and he only took like a couple shots out of the pick and roll so they it wasn't they were not letting him get the ball you mentioned getting him the ball at the elbow they tried like one kind of cross screen for him to get him a post up and the and cat like strunk push to catch out far enough that it was a win for the Knicks I wonder if we'll see more of those like pin down plays in the corner for him the Knicks defended those pretty well though too maybe you can give him the ball and pick and roll a little bit and get him driving but to your earlier point you know the help is easier so it's the Knicks defense was awesome and I want to flip it to the other end you said Wemby in your view was not good on either end of the floor last night and no one you almost never hear that about his defense and it was it just like the a little bit too amped up like what did what did you notice yeah I want to qualify that like he still was very impactful as a defender and everything else in fact one of the things if I were I thought Brunson struggled especially in the first three quarters when Wimby was on the floor because he couldn't get anything going to the rim. Now, Mitchell Robinson did a good job of sealing Wimby off on a roll late in the game. Bronson got to the left hand, but Bronson got to the rim in that second quarter run when Cornette was in the game and Wimby was off the floor. When Wimby's on the floor, it's strictly jump shots and he has to deal with the size of the guards of San Antonio. If I were Mitch Johnson, I would think instead of staying with his normal rotation where Wimby comes out about five minutes in and then I would try to match Wimby's minutes to Bronson's. I think that would really help them. When Bronson goes off the floor, now you can bring Cornette in. I think they could make life tougher there. So Wimby was good in that stuff. I just didn't like the way he guarded Cat. Cat was by him anytime he wanted to be and I thought he was really overextended. Yes, you want a ball pressure, but with Wimby's size, Wimby can cushion him a little, still contest the shot and still disrupt passes with his length. I just thought he was overzealous on both ends of the floor last night. And I think he'll be better in game two. The one thing we've learned about him in this playoff run, when he hasn't played well, he's pretty well always bounced back and played tremendously. I think he's a guy with the humility to look and assess and everything else. I think we'll see him better. But yeah, I didn't think he was good on Cat at all. Who would you have him guard on defense? Because I expected him to start the game on heart. He spent a good amount of time on heart and slash in his own one-man zone on the baseline. But he started the game on Cat and he guarded Cat. And I thought the Knicks, like one of the things I've loved about this Knicks playoff run is they immediately download what you're doing. And they're prepared for, you know, they're prepared for every contingency plan right away. Like if, if, if Wimby's here, we do this. If Wimby's over here, we do this. And when they saw him on Cat, they're like, all right, like we're going to, we're going to run a lot of pick and pop and pick and roll with Cat and see how he responds to a guy who's shooting 47% on threes in the playoffs, popping open for three, one of the greatest shooting big men of all time. And then he's like, oh, I'm going to do this. And they got like good stuff out of it. When the Spurs switched, you mentioned Cat, Cat would drive the guards to the rim and draw fouls and kick it out. And I, I, I was a little surprised he was on Cat so much, but like what, where would you have him? What's your ideal spot? Well, I think you've only got really two choices. I mean, he guarded OG a little bit, but he's either going to guard Cat or he's got to guard heart. I like him on Cat. The San Antonio, I did think early in the game, rotated a couple of times when Wimby couldn't get back to Cat. And I thought they did a good job, which sends Wimby back to the rim. I didn't have a problem. To clarify what you're talking about, because I want to take people inside this. Let's say Brunson, Brunson, Cat, pick and pop with Wimby on Cat. Wimby drops back, Cat to corral Brunson's drive. Cat pops open, Brunson kicks it to Cat or Alvarado kicks it to Cat. And a third guy rotates up. From the sideline to take Cat, often a small guy, often Fox. And then Wimby peels down into the paint. Spurs did execute that well. I think that's a super interesting battleground in the series, because it left Cat with Fox on him a few times. And the Knicks just sort of went on with their offense. And I'd like to see them exploit that a little bit more. Well, yeah, you know what? But I do think there's always a fine line between trying to exploit matchups, which you want to do. But sort of becoming stagnant offensively because you're just standing around seeking out matchups. I think it's got, I think what the Knicks do a pretty good job of is getting to those mismatches organically and just playing them in the flow, which I thought they did last night. I also thought, so I would keep Cat on, I mean, keep Wimby on Cat. I would mix in some blitzes with Brunson. I don't think it's got to be all the time. I think Wimby's maybe smart enough to give him the option to, I don't think it changes your back line on defense. So just give him the option. Maybe at times the blitz on his own, throw in a blitz here and there. Now, again, I like that over, not overzealous to where he's fouling Brunson. I just thought he was so hyped last night. He was going to come out and make five threes and, you know, turn Cat over. And I just thought he was overzealous. He's got to block that out. I also thought, and look, I, I think a couple of, I think the, if I'm San Antonio, I thought their schemes were good. I thought, I think a couple of things. Wimby's got a screen in pick and rolls on the offensive end. He's got a screen. Because like I used to say it all the time, coaching the, I think slipping out early on switches, or if people are up to the level on blitzes, certainly you can get behind the defense, those things, or switches you're confusing against drop coverage, slipping out early, just makes it easier on the defense. The heart can get over picks. They can do all of that. He's got a screen. Okay. I think they've got to get him the ball. Some at the elbow. But then I think the biggest adjustments, I like their defensive game plan. I really did. I think it's all in rotations. I think more, more Harper and less the Aaron Fox. I mean, to me, Harper was having a great game. He only played three and a half minutes in the fourth quarter. I was very, very surprised by that. He had 16.7 rebounds in the first three quarters. And he's much better defensively in their switching and stuff than Fox is. So I was surprised by that. And then I think maybe shorten the rotation. Look, they've done well with the 10 man rotation. I'm not sure that they really need to play Harrison Barnes or Carter Bryant. I think Keldon Johnson, Harper, and Cornette in his minutes off the bench, play in those eight. And then the only other thing I think offensively, I thought the Knicks did a fabulous job when they tried to run Champinney up to set the pick. They didn't give in and switch Brunson onto those guards. Brunson showed. But again, Champinney's got to set that screen and give Castle, Fox, whoever it is, a chance to come off and attack Brunson. I don't think he did a good job. I think. I think if San Antonio goes back, one of the things they're going to see on their pick and roll game is the most fundamental thing. They certainly, they just didn't screen well enough. They've got to do a better job at that end. But I think Harper causes a lot of problems for everybody. But in this series, he's got to get more. I mean, to have Fox at 38 minutes in a game, he didn't play well. Now I know he had the best plus minus of anybody other than Keldon Johnson. He was dead even. He didn't play well. And Harper did. And he only plays 27 minutes. I think that's got to, that's got to turn around in this series. And then I think the Knicks, they took care of the ball. They did everything right. Shooting's obviously big. The only thing they've got to do is I think they got to do a better job, especially on the perimeter guys of keeping them off the boards. Yeah. Champinney is a Champinney is a dangerous little offensive rebounder from the corners. Yeah. Champinney. Champinney had three castle had three, the cell had four. You know, I, I think, you know, but, but it was interesting because San Antonio had 14 offensive rebounds, but they didn't convert only 14 second chance points. And the Nick said 23 second chance points, the biggest one being the three you talked about with Brunson late in the game, the fact that he was able to tip the ball out and get that three. So, you know, a lot of it comes down to basic things. Take, take care of the ball, rebound the ball. No, don't have bad fouls and, you know, things like that. But, but I do think the whole, I think San Antonio, I think Mitch Johnson's going to have to look at his rotation a little bit going into game to what works. And, and what, and what doesn't. A couple of things, eight turnovers for the Knicks. And I mentioned before the series, I think the Spurs were 28th in defensive turnover rate and that the Knicks had to win the turnover game to win the series. They checked that box. The Fox thing is a big, big looming issue for San Antonio with his extension set to kick in next season. It's not even kicked in yet. And he quieted the noise with a, with a pretty good game seven against Oklahoma city. Obviously the biggest game that he's ever played in the NBA and the biggest game of the season to date for the Spurs three of 13 last night for the playoffs, 16, a game on 42% shooting. He's obviously, he, You know, we don't know the state of his high ankle sprain. He's probably not 100%. But defensively, he's never been great. And Harper was just flat out better than him last night. And I was also surprised by the minutes. I remember before the Oklahoma City series, you know, I wrote in my notes about that series. So very hype. The Thunder was is a very good offensive team. The Knicks are an even better offensive team than the Thunder. And I remember thinking if Fox is at all limited or if they're really going at him, are we going to see more of just Harper, Castle, no Fox and when Benyama and like the numbers for that kind of lineup are off the charts. And I was surprised we didn't see more. And the other thing, they actually played the three point guards together for, I think, four minutes last night. They don't do that very often. And you mentioned Kelton Johnson like he hasn't had a great playoffs. I would eight minutes really surprised me. I thought he would play. I thought they kind of forgot about him in the rotation in the second half is like, just plug him in and see if he can get you a big three year. Or he defended cat some and when he could roam around. I thought that was weird, too. But the Fox thing is like he's just got to he's just got to play better for them to win this series. I want to go back to when be. Well, let me say the other thing on Fox, though, like and I'm a De'Aaron Fox fan. So this isn't a negative. He hasn't played as well. They certainly need him. I'm not arguing changing the starting lineup, but. To me, it's pretty simple. It's not a one game. Thing. Anything can happen in one game. Certain guys can be better and you certainly adjust as coaches. Dylan Harper is a better player than De'Aaron Fox in my mind, period. I mean, he's just a better player, at least. And he creates more problems. He's better on the defensive end. He's bigger. He's stronger. He can get in the paint. He creates matchup problems. I just think he's he's got to play more. I would think when. They sit back and evaluate the game. They're going to look at that and see it. I think Mitch has been great all year and particularly in the playoffs of adjusting game to game. And I think that's one of the things we'll see. Fox definitely has to be better. But so does the cell castle women. I mean, like I said, if I'm saying Antonio, I'm saying, look, we were in this game. We were down to when Fox fouled with a minute and 11 to go. We were down 2.5. And then we had two bad plays in a row. Dumb foul. Windy turnover. And we got a lot of guys who are capable of playing better. I I'd feel OK going into game two. Plus, you got to think they'll calm down and settle in a little bit. So I feel good. Yeah, I don't think anyone has any reason to feel. I picked Nixon seven. That was my pick. I don't think anyone should feel. I mean, obviously, the. It should feel thrilled that they already got a road win in the series. That's huge. But nothing I thought it was going to be a long series. I think it's going to be a very long series. I do. I do think it's it's funny. Like, like, I do think the Knicks had to get a split to win the series in the first two games, which sounds a little stupid, because even if they go down to, oh, they then have three of the next five at home. And like, they haven't lost a home game yet and all that. The idea of beating one before times in five games just seems so. Daunting for me that I thought the Knicks had to get a split. I don't know if I would characterize even like game two is a must win for the Spurs. I mean, you'd never want to fall down to in any circumstance, particularly at home. But I mean, I just think these two teams are going to play a bunch of close games. Obviously, the Spurs would prefer to be one one and not two. Let's take a quick break because I want to dig into Wembley's defense just a little bit more. The Zach Lowe Show is brought to you by FanDuel. It all comes down to this. Who do you think will be wearing the ring? At the end of the NBA Finals, make your call with FanDuel. Right now, new customers can hit the court with $350 in bonus bets guaranteed after betting $5 for seven straight days. FanDuel is the best place to bet all your favorite players during the NBA Finals. Bet on their baskets and boards or build the same game parlay for a chance at a bigger payout. Just visit FanDuel.com/Lowe to get started. 21 or over in select states, 18 or over in D.C., Kentucky or Wyoming. First online real money wager only. 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Wemby on heart and see how the Knicks adapt to that and put wings on cat and their wings since they made this Harrison Barnes for champagne starting lineup switch unlock their season huge adjustment by Mitch Johnson, but they're small and cat can eat on the offensive glass as we saw last night he can post up. I think they could feed him in the post a little bit more or third option is Wemby just sort of hangs around the baseline playing a zone defense and nominally guarding who's ever in the corner and then you figure it out from there. I thought the Knicks were ready for all of it. I don't I don't know which of those three looked best to you. But what do you think of that sort of how the Knicks handled like the one man Wemby baseline zone? Well, I look I thought they did a decent job and I didn't think that Knicks were great offensively. They weren't. I thought what they did great offensively already hit on. They only had eight turnovers. They didn't beat themselves. I thought San Antonio's defense was fine. I think they're. Problem was that the offensive end and then I think in the fourth quarter Brunson, as he always does, you know, got going. There's so many good things about Brunson. But the thing that always amazes me is he can be having a bad game and he doesn't let it affect him down the stretch. You know, he's not one of those guys who gets down, loses confidence. I think he almost. Gets when he's having a bad game, more motivated to finish strong. He was my vote for clutch player of the year. Again, I just think he has so many of those impactful fourth quarters. But other than that, I thought San Antonio's defense was good. Like I said, I did just some things offensively and I would adjust my rotation a little bit. But and defensively, I'd have Wimby. I'm a play cat a little bit smarter, but I thought they did exactly what you said as the game went on. He would start no matter who he started on. He would just always end up on the baseline trade guys off to where he was there. And you can see the impact. I mean, very seldom does anybody go in there and try to shoot the ball. I mean, the one that bridges, I think, tried to shoot over him. And, you know, I mean, it's just it's crazy. You just can't take your normal shot. He's the most impactful defensive player I've ever seen in the NBA. I mean, people. People talk about Gobert and Mark Eaton back in the day, but they couldn't go out on the floor. I mean, and, you know, and cover, you know, the way he does. I mean, a guy blocks threes and things. I mean, it's it's incredible. I don't like playing small on cat. I think he just I think, you know, you forget what a great rebounder he is. And he had two key offensive rebound putbacks when they played small on him. I don't like it. I don't like Wimby on him as much as I could. The other thing, when Wimby's on him, cat tends to stand at the three point line. And that's good. Makes it better for Nick. I mean, for San Antonio on the glass. So we'll see. And you never can stick with one thing all day or the whole series. You know that, I mean, because people get on to it. And when he is on cat man to man and they do just pull cat away from the basket, the Knicks went right into their sort of flex screening off ball off. offense hunting mismatches see who if they can get switches or cuts and a guy whose name we haven't mentioned at all yet and we're derelicted doing so is OGN and Obi um 17 points a huge fourth quarter and one of his fourth quarter threes was they took a page out of Oklahoma City's book when the Spurs were in that one-man zone and when when Wemby kind of got attached to a shooter in the corner or was like nominally guarding that player a couple of times the Knicks just cleared out everyone else to the other side of the floor and brought that player up to screen for the ball handler and kind of made Wemby suddenly um defend two on two in a pick and roll and one of them I think was McBride and Shamit in the fourth quarter that Wemby was on Shamit and Shamit like fake rolled to the basket and then Moon walked back to the three-point arc and Wemby got a little confused and Deuce turned the corner and hit Ananobi for a three I thought that was a smart little counter but I like the way the Spurs defense looked with Wemby kind of playing his own and that that four-minute stretch where it went 486 Knicks to 95 94 Spurs there were just a bunch of possessions where the Knicks were just kind of running in circles like nobody wanted to shoot and then someone would be like I guess I got to take a mid-range jumper yeah with one on the shot clock me if you're San Antonio I don't want I want to play almost no Brunson minutes with Wendy on the bench I thought he just you and I were texting during the game I thought he just that second quarter Brunson got going a little bit and it was with Cornette in the game um I play Cornette when Brunson's out of the game you can defend the rest of those guys um without him and match when these minutes to to Brunson's would probably be my biggest adjustment um coaching wise if I were if I were San Antonio all in all just a massively enjoyable game to be at uh other than the stupid fan who ran on the floor and again I hope all his friends and family shun him for months on end and publicly shame him for being an idiot um the shirts were awesome apologies to Bill Simmons I love the Fiesta shirts uh atmosphere was great Knicks fans hung around after the game were going crazy and by the way there was a look I'm not gonna it's not it wasn't a lot but we were sitting in a row Ian Begley was to my right and Chris Mannix was to my left right under where Barkley was and when the Knicks were up by six with whatever 30 seconds left and then they had to foul in an OB people were walking for the exits just some not many but a decent amount and I'm like of all fan bases did like you the Ray Allen shot like was against you never and we all laughed that was a closer game it's the finals anything can happen you can't leave until the game's over I mean the Ray Allen game should have cuts first fans that that's what I'm saying back in the day I'll tell you one other thing and this is very rare in fact god I don't know if I've ever done this in an analysis of a game but it really stood out to me that was the best officiated playoff game of the year everyone I agree everyone agrees on this why did you like it's hard for me when I'm at the game to notice all the intricacies yeah I you know what stood out to me is the fact that I wasn't ever focused on calls ever at any point in the game where I was like oh my god that's a foul oh my god they're letting them I just you know they say I mean the cliche is if you don't notice them they're doing a great job and that's pretty much how it was I thought you know they didn't overreact to things um you know I just thought Scott Foster James Capers Sean Wright um I've had issues with negotiating at times in the playoffs this year but I I thought they did a uh a fabulous job last night I don't think either team can have uh have any gripes Brunson of course the one where Cornette stepped on his foot thought he got fouled you watched the replay three times clearly not a foul um you know they did it they did a good job on it um I just I thought they handled things very very well and it made the game enjoyable to watch I thought they had a good balance they let guys play but not ridiculously I didn't see a lot of like ridiculous contact where I thought people got away with stuff yeah they did a super job I I didn't think like I I'm watching like a hawk every time Kat's involved in any action whether it's getting getting around a screen defending when be one-on-one like I didn't think they let him off the hook on any sort of fouls that should have been called I think he defended honestly and avoided thousands yeah like yeah his third foul to me was a bad one wouldn't be in the lane that's the only time he reached down you know and that's a hard thing you know Bob McAdoo when I worked with him in Miami it's something that I have carried with me throughout my entire coaching career um Bob McAdoo said big guys should never get a foul below their shoulders and I really really like that like if you're going to get a foul as a big guy it's contested a shot up at the rim and you know you get a foul maybe an over the back going for the rebound things like that but you're not going to play at a guard's level and get a foul and I thought Kat did a great job of that last night other than the one play um third quarter I think he got his third foul he reached down on him but you know over the course of the game if he stays that disciplined now the key will be if Wimby goes on a run and the ball's going in the basket you know it's pretty easy to stay disciplined when a guy is shooting six for 21 because you're not getting scored on but if Wimby makes four in a row which certainly he's going to do at some point in this series now do you panic and foul I think that's going to be the challenge for Kat is to stay disciplined and just realize guys are going to make some shots don't lose your discipline that's going to be his challenge and the big challenge with the Knicks coaches go through it all the time the Knicks have been great with it in the playoffs so far but you know there's that tendency when you get game one on the road to like okay we did our job we took back home court and you're just not as ready to go in game two um that's going to be the challenge on Friday night I don't expect any letdown from them now history says the Spurs win game two home favorites that lose game one tend to win game two often by a lot I think the Knicks will play well and hungry in game two I I I was telling people before the game I have receipts in my text messages and I people can you know who I talked to I didn't I wasn't worried about the rust factor in game one for them either I thought they would come out and play a good game and they played well enough to win look I mean I it sounds corny I said it when I picked the Knicks to win the series and I don't know if they're going to win it's going to be a long series uh the Spurs have the best player etc I think they've found some sports magic in the last month like there's a real like magical alchemy going on and I don't know if they're going to win I don't know if they're going to win I don't know and it has sustained all the little trends all the little adjustments all the little sacrifices that you just know it when you see it and they add up to something have sustained game to game they've sustained long layoffs I think I I just don't if I were the Spurs if I were a Spurs fan I would just not bank on the Knicks playing a letdown game or a bad game in game two I think they've won 12 games in a row I think a little bit of sports magic is happening right now and I can't really explain it completely but the Knicks are just on another level I expect this to be a super long super competitive series the last thing I wanted to do with you before you go in your perspective is uniquely valuable uh Rick Adelman passed away this week and I've always thought you know we all loved those Kings teams that he coached and the corner offense in Minnesota and everywhere else in Portland and everywhere else he was uh that he was like wildly underrated I remember the first time I met David Adelman for a coffee way back years and years ago we talked about his dad and how I thought I think there should be a little bit more hall of fame momentum for him he's got a ton of wins he's an offensive innovator and then he get into the hall of fame I I just want to give you the floor as a coach like I know you didn't know Rick well but I I just thought he was chronically because he didn't win a title as a head coach one of the most underrated coaches in basketball history and I'm glad he got his due and I just condolences to the Adelman family absolutely condolences to the family and um I agree with you I I think even being in the hall of fame he was underrated um but I think especially as an innovator I think when you look at the modern game probably the coach that gets the most credit for bringing or starting at least the revolution to the modern game is Mike D'Antoni and he deserves that I mean the pace of the game and the three-point shot and all that so taking nothing away from Mike but I don't think Rick Adelman has gotten the credit he deserves as an innovator you know even though the corner offense is a little bit different than the five out that everybody's running he was a guy who started pulling his bigs away from the basket Chris Weber Vlade Divac Brad Miller you know he would always find those guys play through them at the elbow you can see elements of that and the principles virtually everybody in the NBA is using some version of the principles that Rick Adelman started or at least started to use more extensively in his time in the league and I don't think he's gotten the credit for that um that he deserves um you know and and I think look it was born out of what all great coaches do you take a look at your personnel and you say okay who do I have now let's build something around it and he had two of the great passing bigs with Vlade and Chris Weber and said okay this is what we're going to do they were near impossible to defend those Kings teams I mean near impossible to guard um and and were better defensively when they got really good than people gave him credit for absolutely was a hell of a coach he was not he was 180 degrees from a self-promoter um and he was a hell of a coach and he was a hell of a coach and he was a You know, he was never a guy who talked about, well, we execute, you know, there's the coach. we thought we executed our system really well you know that was not rick he would just talk about his players and get from game to game i yeah he was tremendous he's a guy that i have a lot of respect for i've told david addleman that several times and um yeah my thoughts are with the addleman family but rick addleman did a lot for this league it's hard to believe that we're almost a quarter century now removed from the heyday of those kings teams um which means there is a whole generation of basketball fans who only know vaguely what we're talking about through highlights those teams just as much as the seven seconds or less teams were like just slapped you in the face with their freshness and their style of play and how much it stood out um well and if you take the game today and take mike d'antoni's sons and rick addleman's teams whether it was sacramento mainly i think we think of but minnesota houston you know like it those two guys the almost everything you see you'll go back and be able to see in one or both of of those systems and those guys did deserve tremendous credit for what the uh what the game has become well i know another coach i think it was orlando ran dwight howard pick and rolls was shooting all around him richard lewis power forward that team did pretty well i don't know whatever happened to that coach but uh but i don't think we and i say this i'm not trying to be modest i i don't think i mean we we got to four out and got more shooting on the floor but concept wise it's always been a pick and roll league and we were a pick and roll team so i i don't really think we did anything differently other than space and space so i i don't really think we did anything differently other than space the floor um you know so i i don't think we had nearly the um effect on the game that um these guys have had now i do think there are some players and and one of the players i don't think gets enough credit and interestingly played for rick addleman played for san antonio and he's a great player and he's a great and then i had an orlando you know guy like hito turkalu who was never an all-star i knew you were gonna bring up hato i knew it but he's uh he's the modern prototype you know i think what went through the league right my brother and i were talking the other day if you think about the league we went from conventional bigs right and then we got to more of a four out and then people went small ball that was a thing for a while we're gonna go small ball to get more skill on the floor and then we're gonna go small ball to get more skill on the floor and then we're gonna go then as players developed and a lot of them coming from europe you realize like we don't need to be small to have skill on the floor so now small guards are getting harder and harder and harder to play with now it's big skilled ball and i think guys like dirk novitski but even more hito turkalu who could put it on the floor make passes shoot the ball play anywhere on the floor that's today's game i mean it it's it's fascinating to sort of watch that john hollinger had a good thing in the athletic the other day about how the big men position has changed i mean it's night and day i mean victor wimby yama like is well come on as as that evolution was happening and a lot of it traced like the rise of the warriors and the decline of the post-up and all that is it um is that was happening um i would always say skilled size is the end game of all this and absolutely and that has happened but i will say ironic and fitting that you're bringing this up about small guards when a six foot whatever small guard is up is is the best player on a team that's up one oh in the finals and obviously becky hammond is taking a lot of crap for two three years ago and she said he's not a dude he's not a one a and i went back to watch the clip stand and little did i even remember that the next day she's on nba today and they they ask her about this and she doubles down on it who's on nba today with her me i'm on the set i'm like oh my god i was there for this and they go to me and i give this spiel about how look i don't think any of these rules about this guy can't be a one a or you can't win with this guy are absolute i said i think chris paul probably could have won the title as the best player on the team and isaiah thomas did i talked about how you got to surround him with the right people is there a lot of people that are going to be like a one another one a another player like if you're if your best player is the 13th best player in the league and brunson's better than that now do you also have the 14th best player in the league and that's now the cat kind of became that guy you got to surround him with size on the wing they've done that uh and there i just completely forgot that i was part of this discussion but i think we're learning look whether they win the title or not right they're facing a great team their underdogs are up one oh they're three wins away from the title i think we can just i think they're close enough you can put to bed like clearly you can win a title with jalen brunson as your best player i think that's absolutely absolutely but but look i think the thing you have to be careful of if you're someone else building a team is we all know the line and i think it holds true in a lot of cases the exception proves the rule sure absolutely you know like jalen brunson's oh a unicorn in his own way in terms of his mental toughness what he does at the end of games it's not the way i think becky hammond was on to something it's not the way to build a championship team but it doesn't mean it can't be done with the right guy now can you do it with a lot of small guards no you you can't i don't think you know are you going to be able to do it with trey young who's a remarkable player or like i i think it's it's unique i think it does bring up one thing though the one thing i haven't heard enough of throughout the playoffs maybe i've just missed it but both these front offices deserve unbelievable credit i mean leon rose he has five starters none of those guys did he inherit none of them he put the whole thing together the brunson free agent he put the whole thing together agent signing and trades for his other four starters you know tremendous and then everybody looks at san antonio well they got wimby yes they did but in building the team castle was the number four pick the guys ahead of him were risa shea alex sar and reed shepherd so like you know like that's that's a great pick harper was not a and the other guys are good too but harper wasn't a given at number two with vj edge gum con canipple guys who are good players champini they picked up on waivers but he fits their team i think they've really understood fit i think cornet was an underrated free agent signing devin vassell was the number 11 pick brian wright's first draft i believe um you know like and the guys ahead of him were patrick williams james wiseman isaac acoro killian hayes ob toppin jalen smith these weren't like given picks yes wimby fell in their lap but you've got to build a team around your star and they've done an unbelievable job of that both these front offices obviously oklahoma city boston probably the four best in the league in terms of how they built their rosters right now with these guys brian wright and his staff and leon rose and his staff they deserve phenomenal credit and obviously both coaches have been great i love how san antonio's just leaned into their youth you know that the move to put harrison barnes on the bench not a not an easy move for a first year coach to take a veteran guy and say hey we're gonna give you a much decreased role they chris paul started 82 games for him last year they let him walk they created opportunity for these other guys like they leaned into it front offices coaches have both done have both done a great job and then when you have put those two together and then the referees do a great job shoot it's gonna be a fun series to watch amen we have between three and six more games inclusive left of this thing i hope it's six i hope it's an epic one no one is watching more carefully than stan van gundy thank you for your time 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We go V. Ask your prescriber about We Go V, some maglutide injection 2.4 milligrams, a GLP-1. Call 1-833-4WEGOV or visit wegov.com to view the medication guide and to learn more about We Go V. Why wait? We go V. All right, I just wanted to tack on a couple of things that are not about the finals that are going on around the league. Number one, Orlando Magic hired Sean Sweeney, currently coaching for the Spurs in the NBA finals. I haven't really addressed that. I think Sweeney is a very good coach who's going to do a great job in Orlando. He gets pigeonholed a lot of times as a defense guy, and he has often been a defense coordinator. Trust me, he can be an offense guy too and has been sort of covertly an offensive coordinator a couple of times here and there in his career. Obviously, a lot has been made of his connection to Giannis Antetokounmpo from his career. His time with Milwaukee, Sean's time with Milwaukee. I think that is worth noting. I mean, one of the things that Coach Sweeney has accomplished in his career has managed to do is thread the needle between being – not thread the needle, but it's rare that a guy can be brutally honest with superstar players and not annoy the players. In fact, the superstar players tend to really, really like him after spending time with him. I think that's really hard to do, and I think it comes down to they respect that he's not scared of them, scared to tell them the truth, scared to tell them what the film shows, and he's right because he grinds and he's done his homework and they appreciate that he's right and that someone is telling them, and that he will also praise them when they do awesome stuff, which they generally do. So I do think it's worth noting, does it make Orlando a sneaky suitor in the Giannis Derby? You know, that would be an interesting move for them. At the beginning of last season, I pitched Palo for Giannis, as one of the more interesting potential fake trades, and then I remembered my cap rules and that Palo was almost poison-pilled impossible to trade because of his extension kicking in. Well, that's not the case anymore. Didn't have a great season, but I think there's still a lot of shine on Palo as a young player, number one option type. Whether he can be the number one option on a great, great team is TBD. Obviously, Orlando disappointed this year. It would be an out-of-character, sort of young for aging. That aging is probably a little strong. Giannis is only 31 for this front office. But, you know, once you throw four first-round picks to Desmond Bain and you see that the Franz Palo thing remains sort of eh in terms of a fit, sometimes it's great, oftentimes it's clunky. I think it's something that you could probably at least discuss internally. Those four picks that they traded for Bain make it a little hard for them to fluff up the offer with stuff on top of Palo. But who knows? I mean, I don't know what's going to happen with Giannis, but we have reached a point where I would be pretty shocked if he doesn't get traded. I have said several times in the last month that if I had, if you put gun to head, metaphorical gun to head, if I had to pick a team, I would pick Miami, despite the lack of a blue, blue chip asset or young player or pick or whatever. But because obviously Giannis is going to be able to put his thumb on the scale a little bit. But I think lots of different scenarios are in play, despite what Bill has said about, what Bill Simmons has said about the Celtics not wanting Giannis. And I said, I also don't sense a great urgency for them to get Giannis. A lot of people are sort of eyeing them as a wild card in the off season in general. So we'll see. A couple other things. Oklahoma City, Andrew Schlecht and I did a sort of download of their loss to the Spurs and what comes next for them and all the second apron issues and what their most likely path is. And we both kind of agreed that I got to tell you, no one around the league sees them as a Giannis team. I, everybody, every GM, every scout I've talked to would be pretty surprised if they veered in that direction. And that's why we sort of agreed on a, you know, trim the payroll a little bit one way or another and keep most of the core together, including Harten, Hartenstein, either opting them in or a new deal for a little bit less money. Dort is sort of TBD. Try to move up in the draft, et cetera. I'm, I'm five days, two days later, three days later, whatever it is. I'm more convinced than ever that that's probably, the case. I will say there's also a roadmap that a couple of people have alert, not reminded me of where they could just opt in Hartenstein and opt in Dort and cut payroll elsewhere, maybe and eat the second apron penalties for a year, because it's not like they're in desperate need of making a trade. If their draft pick ends up getting frozen seven years down the line, no team has ever been more well positioned to weather a draft pick being frozen because they have so many picks still coming to them from Denver, from the Clippers, et cetera. And then, you know, next year, if you opt those guys in, then you can really reset financially when Shay's new big deal kicks in in 2027, 28, I think his new is massive super max kicks in. So that's another, another thing they can do. And I will continue to say, I know J Dub and Chet are not 30% maxes or super maxes. J Dub didn't meet the criteria for it this year. And Chet didn't negotiate into his contract. I still will forever beat the drum. And they're like the homegrown max guy. Shay's not a homegrown player, although they got him when he was very early in his career. And case and Wallace is not going to be a max player, et cetera. But I still think you should get some sort of tax slash apron relief for guys. You drafted making the max somehow so that it's not just this prohibitive. You can't even keep the team together. You have to look at all these painful moves when you've built the team pretty organically. I will pitch that forever. And obviously a lot has been made about Oklahoma. City potentially trying to trade up in the draft. I would bet that's true. I sniffed around a little bit. I would be shocked if they were able to trade up into the top four. I think it would take so much that it would be prohibitive almost for Oklahoma City. And I don't even know. I don't even know what offer they could make that any of those four teams would be intrigued by. Those four prospects at the top of the draft are so outrageously good. And so, and so interesting in different ways that I would be really surprised if Oklahoma City could get into the top four. There is still a lot of intrigue, though, at the top of the draft. I don't think anyone knows who Washington is going to take for sure. DeBansa is obviously the quote unquote safest pick. Tons of Darren Peterson intrigue still obviously around the league. Nobody really is sure. Like, what does Utah actually want at two? Are they going to be happy with whichever of those two is there? Are they going to do they kind of secretly want Darren Peterson? Because, because he feels more of a natural sort of void for them at guard. There's just a ton of intrigue. You know, Memphis and Chicago are probably sitting there like, hey, whatever, whatever falls to us, we'll take one of them. Chicago will take the last of them. Caleb Wilson, Cam Boozer, whatever. We're going to be, we're going to be psyched to do that. I think it's going to be super interesting to see how the Intel kind of floats out. Who, who works out for which of those four guys works out for anybody but Washington, who obviously is in the catbird seat with the number one pick. I don't even know if any, if those teams will trade up or down with each other. I get the sense now that they're probably all in Stan Pat mode and just see who's available to them. I think it's the top four and the order they fall in is going to be outrageously exciting. And we will see on draft day, which is only 19 days away and bad news for me, the NBA moved the draft to June 23rd. You know what's happening on June 23rd, Croatia is playing in the world cup in Toronto and we bought tickets for the game a long time ago. Well, I've got to figure out how to balance all of that, which is going to be delayed. Cause I'll tell you this, the NBA draft comes around every year, the world cup does not. So figure that one out. But I hope you enjoyed today's episode. Thank you to, as always, Jonathan, Michael and Billy on production. And thanks to Stan Van Gundy, the great Stan Van Gundy. Thanks to you all for listening to and are watching the Zach Lowe show. Get ready for game two. I can't wait. I wish it started right now and we will see you after game two. I'll put up another episode. Talking about that game. Thanks everybody. See you next time. 21 or over and president select states for Kansas and affiliation with Kansas star casino or 18 and over and president DC, Kentucky or Wyoming gambling problem. Call 1-800-GAMBLER or 1-800-MY-RESET. Or is it mdgamblinghelp.org in Maryland? Hope is here. Visit gamblinghelplinema.org or call 800-777-7777. Call 1-800-327-5050 for 24/7 support in Massachusetts or call 1-877-8-HOPE-NY or text hope NY in New York for Louisiana. Call 1-877-770-7867. Every game day you show up for your team. Now it's your time. Ask your prescriber about week Ovi. 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