The KEY Election Day Storylines That Matter, with Victor Davis Hanson and Mark Halperin, Plus NEW Details About the Plane Crash | Ep. 1433

Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at noon east. Hey, everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show. It's finally here. Election Day 2026, where control of Congress for the last two years of Trump's presidency will be decided. The general consensus is that the Republicans are in for a thumping, to use George W. Bush's word, after a blue wave in 2006. But as we all know, the conventional wisdom is not always correct. And the Democrats have serious popularity issues of their own, not to mention the Republicans have all the money. And they did a bunch of redistricting, which could come back to help them. Joining me, and I hope you will join me and a whole bunch of our friends tonight. We will be live beginning at 7 p.m. Eastern on YouTube.com slash Megyn Kelly and on the MK channel on Sirius XM Channel 111. So you can hear us and watch us in either place. We can watch us on YouTube. We're going to have perspectives from everyone who you love here on the MK show. Rich Lowry of National Review will be with us. Glenn Greenwald will be with us for the evening of system update on Substack. He'll be on set with me for the for the entire evening. And we will also be hearing from Emily Jashinsky, Saurabh and Sean, Tom Bevin, Michael Knowles, Jack Posobiec, polling specialists like Henry Olson, Rich Barris and so many more. So join us at 7 p.m. live for all perspectives that you want to see covered. President Trump's closing message yesterday. Meantime, what did he do? He wanted to speak in Washington. OK, people thought that's fine. And then for some reason, he wanted to speak in Washington. And then he wanted to speak in Washington. He wanted to go in front of the reflecting pool, which was second guessed by a bunch of Republican insiders who don't think that's a great story for Trump or for the GOP. And here's a preview of his closing message. Watch. As you know, this is the last day before the midterm elections, the most important midterm, I believe, in our lifetime. The Democrat Party is nominated the most extreme and dangerous slate of candidates in American history. These are the most dangerous candidates ever put up. There's never been anything like what we're seeing. Jihadists and Muslim Brotherhood members and people that nobody can even believe what we're looking at and all committed to the same radical agenda. Open borders, raising your taxes by trillions of dollars, taking away your guns. Transgender mutilization of your children, abolishing oil and natural gas, sending energy to the United States, opening the floodgates to millions of migrants from all over the world, hoping to get them to be able to vote. That's the only reason they're letting them in there. So we'll defend our country, our culture and our heritage for generations to come. We're going to keep it the way it is. We're going to make it better and just. OK, this was not a bad closing, if that's all it had been. But the president seemed to really want to talk more about the reflecting pool itself than the election. Here he is talking about how poorly Presidents Obama and Biden managed algae problems. Tremendous algae problems. And you have that picture with the algae. Yeah, let me see that. This is this was a picture taken when it was just before they closed it down. We have great equipment in there now that this doesn't happen. But the green that's not grass, that's algae that it took over the entire pool and then they closed it down. But they didn't remove any of the dirt and the filth. And it looked like that for not like this. They took out the water. So all you saw was dirt and filth and paper and everything else for years under the Biden and and Obama administration is pretty, pretty bad. Mr. President, let's stay on message here. You need Republicans to get to the polls in droves to overcome the early voting advantage that the Democrats reportedly have. We do not need today to be about the algae. But the problem is Trump is a builder and he loves projects like this. And he really does believe that they've solved a major beauty issue in Washington, D.C. that has been annoying for several administrations and no one's done anything about it. But it's almost like just don't do not take the doggie to the dog park with the liver snaps. OK, like he is not going to be able to resist the liver snaps if you put them right in front of him. Listen, that that's President Trump and he's not technically on the ballot tonight, but in many ways he is entirely on the ballot tonight and will probably be the driving force pro or against. That's what we're going to find out in a matter of weeks. But there's no ignoring the 800 pound gorilla. Trump is going to drive the votes tonight, pro and anti, and we'll be left to figure out what exactly the message is when we get the final results. Now, tonight and just a bit with a preview, we're going to be joined by Mark Halperin. And kicking off our show today is the great Victor Davis Hanson. He's senior fellow at the Hoover Institution and author of The Counter Revolution. The fall and rise of Donald Trump and the MAGA movement. Our sponsor, the Electronic Payments Coalition, says Washington politicians are always getting in your wallet and that now they're messing with your credit card. They say your credit card and the security it offers are under attack and that Senators Dick Durbin and Roger Marshall want to change the nation's payment system to benefit corporate megastores like Walmart and Target at the expense of everyday Americans. Credit cards can keep your payments secure. And provide rewards to families that they use to help make everyday purchases more affordable. The Electronic Payments Coalition says the Durbin-Marshall mandates would let corporate megastores cut corners on credit card processing, routing transactions over cheaper, untested networks with weaker security and fewer protections. Find out more at guardyourcard.com and consider telling Congress to guard your card. VDH, great to have you back. So the final polls, by The New York Times, Sienna polling outfit are terrible for the GOP. The only places that are in contention, if you ask that group, are Iowa and Alaska in terms of the GOP having a shot on the Senate race. All the others, they say, are going to go down. The Atlas polling, which was Atlas Intel, which was the most accurate polling, Nate Silver said this was the top performer of actually predicting all the states that Trump won and so on. They moved the Atlas Intel's rating from an A to an A plus. I mean, it's an utter bloodbath what they're predicting. They're predicting the GOP loses everything. All the Senate seats that The New York Times Sienna poll projected, as well as Iowa and Alaska, and on and on. I mean, it just looks absolutely devastating. Like Tallarico, they've got him up six points. They have got Troy Jackson up nine points over Susan Collins. They've got the Democrat, Adam Hamilton, one-time Republican, up seven points over Roger Marshall in Kansas and so on. So it's very hard to know, right, given how bad the polling mistakes have been. In every election since Trump came on the national scene in 2016. You know, my bottom line on most of this is nobody knows nothing about nothing. But where do you stand? Well, I think that's right. I mean, I'm a historian. So in the last 126 years, the end party in the White House has lost seats, I think about 22, 25 in the House, and one to three in the Senate, except for three occasions. And that was FDR, George W. Bush, in 2002, but earlier Bill Clinton. So the odds are on that, especially when the president is 40%. But I also remember the same mood in 2022, where everybody said there was going to be a red wave because Joe Biden was polling 42%, but not that much worse, not that much better than Trump. And the oil price was high. Remember, gas got up to $5. Much higher than it is now in July of 2022. And when the election was taking place, it was gyrating right around $4. I think it's $4.30 now. And people were. That's a good point, Victor, because remember, Victor, remember that Joe Biden then tried to blame the Ukraine war, even though those prices had been skyrocketing long before Russia invaded Ukraine. He did. And it was psychological because he said that he was going to subsidize green energy and they put a hold on federal leases, they put a hold on Keystone. But, you know, in addition to that, the people were very angry still. That was the turning point the year before. it wasn't even a little bit more than a year, August of 2021, the skedaddle from Afghanistan. That really turned off people. And then people were saying, well, you said you were going to react to the invasion depending on whether it was a minor or major invasion, and you put a hold on it. So there was a war that was unpopular that was affecting gas. Gas was at one point higher than it is now. The inflation rate was 9.1 cumulative in 2022, not 3.2. So what I'm getting at is when I hear that the election is going to hinge this midterm on affordability as defined by inflation and gas prices and a war, I look back to 2022 and the inflation was worse. Gas was not that much different. And while we weren't indirectly involved, there was a lot of angst about Afghanistan and especially Ukraine. And Biden was as unpopular as Trump is right now. So I don't know. The only difference is that- And there was only a red trickle. Yes. The difference was, yeah, they only picked up nine seats. They did take the House, squeaked by, and they lost one seat in the Senate. People, I couldn't believe that. And I thought it would be based on the polls and the hype. From the Republicans. But the only difference that I can see that might not make the analogy valid is when that was happening, nobody was talking about affordability and war. Janet Yellen was telling the people, oh, don't worry about the 9%. It's only temporary. The media kicked in. Gas is not that high or it's not that bad if it is high. And we're going to drain the petroleum reserve, which he did, that 40%. We're going to go talk to the South. But it wasn't, a drumbeat, oh, things are terrible. Because, I mean, if you look at the GDP, it's been revised to 3.4. That was higher than the third quarter under Biden. He's just, I think, 3.1. The inflation rate was one third of Biden's. I said gas. We have a record high per capita family income, record low poverty rate. The Atlanta Fed, I think it says it's going to grow 5%. So if you just look at, and we had manufacturing good news. If you look at everything across the board and you compare it to 2022, it's much better. And Trump is not much more, as I said earlier, not much more unpopular, about as unpopular as Biden. And Biden survived that. He picked up a seat in the Senate. The other thing very quickly is when you look at these midterms, and we all say doom and gloom, but historically, if I just take two recent examples, Obama and Clinton. So Clinton, they both came in with huge majorities in the House and Senate. And by the time of their sixth year in office, the second midterm, they had lost both. And they had the biggest seat, I think, the first midterm, Clinton lost 53 seats. Obama was worse, 60. He lost nine Senate seats as well. And he lost another three the second midterms, 12. But my favorite thing about the second midterm is that he lost another three seats. And he lost another three the second midterm, 12. But my favorite thing about the second midterm, he lost another three the second midterm, 13. But my point is, what happened to their last two years of their presidency? Well, Barack Obama said, I have a pen and a phone, and I'm going to executive order my domestic policy. And then he said, I'm going to cut a deal with Iran, the Iran deal. I don't care if the public is against it. I don't care. I'm not going to call it a treaty. I'm not going to go to the Senate. And oh, by the way, I'm going to enter the Paris Climate Accord. And they said, well, you have to have a treaty. No, I'm not going to go. It's not a treaty. It's executive action. And then he said, very controversial. I'm going to recognize Cuba and full diplomatic, and everybody said, you can't do that. He did it. In the case of Clinton, his last two years, they tried to impeach him, which was a big mistake because the economy was very good. He said, everybody liked two years of balanced budget. I'm going to get two more years. Executive orders, he worked with Gingrich. He did. And then he said, I'm going to bomb Serbia. And they said, I'm going to help the Europeans. They said, it's not our war. They said, the Republicans of all people said, you have to get congressional authority for that. He said, I'm not going to do it. It's very unpopular. He bombed for 77 days. Unlike the Iran war, he hit dual use targeting. He hit bridges. He hit electrical grids. And it worked. 77 days, they collapsed. And then you think, well, what was their ratings? Well, they had, at one point, Obama was 37%. It was his low. And Clinton was 38, kind of like what Trump is. And when they left office after these two years of being wiped out in two midterms and losing these huge majorities, and Obama, by the way, would lose 1,400 offices, Bill Clinton left with the highest ratings in the modern period, about 71% when he left. And Obama was about 60%. And it was almost like, well, in the present, in the last two years, loses his congressional mandate. The only thing that really affects him are two things. He can't make appointments in the Senate for cabinet or judicial appointments. And he has to have an ironclad control over the minority in the Senate so they don't join the Democrats and override a veto. Other than that, he can pretty much do what he wants. And this is what the. Irony is, he can become more popular as Obama and Biden did because two things happen. The out party gets full of itself like the Republicans did. And they say, we're going to impeach Clinton, which they did, which was a big mistake, and gave him a lot of popularity. And they talk about all the things they're going to do. They get more and more radical. They get an echo chamber. And the president's kind of, well, I'm above the fray. I'm for the American people. I don't get engaged. And then the Senate. The second thing that happens in his last two years, the campaign heats up. So basically, Clinton said, well, Al Gore doesn't want me on the campaigns. You remember that? It was a really bad mistake. Clinton was very popular. But he didn't go out and campaign for Gore. And Gore was off-putting and Bush, and they were at each other's throats. And the same thing happened with Hillary and Trump. And Obama basically checked out. He didn't get involved. He was presidential. He went and played golf every day. And it was almost as if the more you did not hear Obama, and the more you did not see him, the more you like the abstract reality of him being president. First black president, kind of, but we don't want to hear him because the elector says we don't want to see him because he's obnoxious. And it went up. So what I'm getting at is there's some known unknowns about this election given 2022, given the polls were pretty much wrong on the Israeli election. They were wrong on the British. And then on the opposite way, they were wrong even about Brazil. That was, I think, a flawed election balloting process. But they were wrong on that. And so they could be off two or three points. And 22 gives us some pause. And if you're going to have a blue wave, as everybody predicts, you wouldn't have close Senate. I don't think you'd have close Senate, races in Michigan, Minnesota, and Maine. And they are close within three or four points, according to most polls. And then even if it happens, and he loses the Senate and the House, and by the way, he has a Senate and a House in his first half of his second term in a way that Obama and Clinton did not. They had lost earlier. He can still do a lot of stuff. Just like they did. All he has to do is say, I'm going to fly. I'm going to fly. I'm going to fly. I'm going to follow the model of Bill Clinton and Barack Obama in foreign policy. And by the way, everybody's talking about illegal. He kept up the drone assassinations. They had 500 of them. Nobody talks about that. They killed five U.S. citizens. They killed 2,500 people, which probably deserved it if they were terrorists. But he also killed 800 citizens. Obama. Yes, Obama did. Nobody talked about that. And he kept, everybody said, well, he only bombed Libya in 2000. 11 for seven months. No, he kept doing the last day in office. He bombed Libya with no congressional authority. He hit dual use targets. Donald Trump has not used dual use targeting at all. Maybe one or two bridges. And he did it. And he was very popular. And no one said a word. And so I think what I'm getting at is historically, the presidency has assumed enormous powers that we, I don't know if they're the concept, they're not. I don't know if they're the concept. The founders envisioned that. But they can conduct treaties without Senate approval, unfortunately, as we saw with Clinton. And I should say Obama. They can go and bomb without congressional authority. And I think it won't affect his foreign policy, Trump, if he were to lose at all. And if he can keep, one of the weird things about it is maybe he made unwise choices in endorsing MAGA candidates, especially in Texas. But- His Senate that survives will be far more MAGA than the Senate before because they have kind of weeded out people like Tillis and Cornyn. So I don't think that you're going to get apostates. And he will keep at least a 40-seat minority that's loyal that will support him when he vetoes. The Senate will not overturn his vetoes. So the Senate will be, they will impeach him. They'll investigate all of those people in the Trump family, Don Jr., all those people who reportedly are gripping or involved in that. It'll be a circus. But at some point, it's going to be like, if they continue, it'll be like the five criminal and civil suits. It'll be like the raid on Mar-a-Lago. It'll be like getting them off the ballot. It will be impeaching him twice, trying him. It'll get tiring is what I'm saying. And then I'll just finish and shut up. The big news will be in 2028. If they get a big margin that left, And if you get 20 or so people who are pretty sympathetic to the Palestinian cause or Islamicism, and if you get, I'll see, Saeed wins the first, really, he and Tallarico, if they win on a statewide, no one's ever won except for Crazy Bernie. But if they win a statewide race, and they take control of the Senate and House, and then you go into 2028, and you get a Democratic president of that ilk, then they can do things that are going to be pretty amazing in this country. They're going to open the border. I think they've said that. And they're not going to deport anybody. Pack the Supreme Court. Yes, they will pack the Supreme Court the first thing. And that's 169 years we've had nine justices. They will. Right in two states. I don't know how they'll do it. You need Constitution, 75% of the states plus two-thirds of the Senate. They will try that. They will get rid of the Electoral College illegally, not through an amendment, but by the National Voters Compact. And they will end, the first thing they'll do is end the filibuster right away. I think they'll do that in January if they win the Senate. So everybody should be aware that this is not Bill Clinton. It's the Democratic Party. They have a revolutionary agenda, not just in their agenda topics, but their fundamental change in the system. There will be no effort for voter ID, none of that. DEI will come raging back. It really will in 2028. And we'll know we won't be pumping 14 million barrels of oil and pretty much immune from the worst crises that could happen in the Middle East. We've survived that pretty well. We're the biggest. Oh, and we're going to see massive tax hikes, too. Massive tax hikes and going after the billionaires. That'll be very popular. But here in California, if that thing passes, that'll be a model. And 1% of the California population pays 50% of the income tax, which in turn pays about 30% of all the revenue. You lose that tax base and we're losing 300,000 people a year. It's basically the billionaire. The billionaires are paying for a dwindling number of people who make over 200,000. So it's going to be a socialist agenda. And I don't have any problem saying that as a term of disparagement because they say it. They're happy. It's not a term of opprobrium anymore. Let me ask you about this Peggy Noonan piece in the Wall Street Journal from Thursday. She. Entitles it that or the journal did the case for a historic wave. The president should be dealt a rebuke, a rebellion and a route. Only then can the Republican Party be rebuilt. And she goes on. She makes a bunch of points in here. But the two I want to run by you are what she thinks should happen to the Republican Party and what she thinks that the new ruling Democrats, which we are likely to get, should do. First, she says the Republican Party has to get healthy again. Healthy doesn't mean the establishment returns. It will never return. The GOP establishment of 1990 to 2016 ran things into the ground is discredited and over. Also, they're 80. They destroyed the party by detaching from the legitimate needs and pleas of its base and by secretly regarding that base as stupid nobodies. The new Republican Party, the one that will have a chance at being born, will keep the good of MAGA. Man is not only an economic animal, but has a soul. The base is not full of fools who know nothing of policy and the good of the old establishment. Professionalism, integrity and understanding of the economic facts that fueled America's 20th century greatness. Party intellectuals are at least trying to return meaning to Pat Moynihan's wry 46 year old observation. Of a sudden, the GOP has become a party of ideas. She wants a remaking. Of the Republican Party that discards the more brutal aspects of Trump and MAGA. And then she says the following. To the Democrats. It is likely true that if they get a big historic outcome Tuesday, they will misread their mandate and go off on various toots. They'll think that change by definition must be extreme or won't be noticed. A growing number will continue their grim plotting toward socialist revolution. What they should do is be sober. And serious as one would be in a national emergency. And we're in an emergency. They should admit that they could go in many directions now. But what they choose is to govern wisely to make things work. They should establish competency. Will they do this? Probably not. But they need to get healthy again, too. And their misunderstanding of their mandate just may start to set the stage. OK, so you're the perfect person to ask about both of those takes. Victor, on how she thinks the current Republican Party needs the rebuke. And the current Democrat Party, if it wins tonight, will misjudge its mandate. And the best thing it could do is to reject the temptation at excess and simply govern. Well, if she's talking about Trump's tweets or his crudity, is that what she's talking about? Then she talks about she says Mr. Trump's problem is that everyone on both sides of the issue knows he's out of his depth in running. That's a major war. So that's one thing. I want to stop right there. About Iran. Yeah. So I as a historian, I just look at wars that we've been in. So we bombed for seven months in Libya and we destroyed the reformed second generation of Gaddafi. I didn't remember her saying a thing. We didn't get any congressional authority at all. I was operated in Libya. I almost died from a ruptured appendix by a wonderful doctor. And we bombed his clinic and I was trying to write with him to come. To the United States. OK, we just were indiscriminate. We we didn't refrain from doing. We hit ports. We hit the TV station. We went into Serbia. We didn't get. We did the same thing. And we have lost tragically 23 people. But we went into Afghanistan and we went into Iraq on the ground and we lost seventy five hundred people and over sixty thousand wounded for nothing. And we left under Joe Biden about 50. Fifty billion dollars and a billion dollar embassy, a base and equipment and infrastructure. Much of it went on to the terrorist international terrorist march. I did. You know, the Iran war is not popular. It's not popular. It's not popular. People are blaming it and him for high gas prices. Yes, yes. It's not popular. But it's a historical to say that you go into the Middle East and you try to denuclearize. And I think you're pretty much have done that. Ninety three million people, the biggest bully in the entire Middle East, who's been threatening the Gulf, threatening Israel, threatening everybody for 50 years, who's funded as Palau, who would kill more Americans than any other terrorist organization. I know, I know. We know all that. But I think what the voters think, Victor, based on the polls, is that Trump did that in June of twenty twenty five. Yes. They believed in those strikes that he unleashed and they were not in favor. Yes. They certainly aren't now of the second go around anymore. But we have a much more worried about what they're paying at the pump. Yes. But we haven't we haven't used ground troops and we're not going to be in there for a forever war. One way or other, it's going to end very soon, maybe two or three months. And that government is. I mean, he's been saying that since he has been saying his chief defenders said there was no way it would be going on when we got to the midterms. I didn't say that. Here we are. I don't want to relitigate the Iran. No, I don't. But what I'm saying is that. But I do want to talk about the Peggy Noonan. Yes. That's my point. She basically she's hated. The entire Trump presidency. But what is her what is the Iran war? But she doesn't like him. Yes. She I think she thinks he is too rude. Yes. So that's my point, Megan. So the way he talks, the way he deals with people. Why doesn't he just say then that I think that the MAGA movement was an improvement over what she said was, I guess she means a callous Republicans that talked about privatizing Social Security or capital gains. Capital gains, capital gains tax didn't worry about tax on tips or things like that. So taxes on Social Security of working people, she could have given examples and then said, here's what a newly reformed MAGA that wasn't going back to the Bob Dole Romney McCain parallel. paradigm, would look like. That's all she had to say. And give us an example. Is it Marco Rubio the head of it? Maybe he wouldn't be as contentious. Is it J.D. Vance? Maybe they would be wiser and they would not be as eccentric. She could have said that, but she didn't because she thinks that she has a despise. I can understand people get very critical of Trump, but then just tell us. Well, she worked for Reagan too, and it was a different time. It was a different country. It was, you know, Trump came in like a wrecking ball because that's what the country and the party needed. They wanted that. And look, people get tired of thinking about Trump all the time. Trump loves it. Attention is his oxygen. But the people get tired of it because they want to think about themselves. But I do think her second point is an interesting one because in my experience in this anchor chair, never underestimate the Democrats' ability to screw up their own storyline. Like they will. They will overreach. They will over impeach. They will harass every member of the Trump family. They will investigate, investigate, investigate as opposed to doing the people's business. And the reasons they'll do it are number one, they want to. And number two, they believe that's why they're, you know, possibly going to be put back into power. In the same way Trump's base wanted him to go after the people who were behind the targeting of supporters and Trump himself and tried to steal the election, all this stuff and got mad when they didn't think Trump did enough of that. The Democrats think their base want investigation Rama for the next two years. But and I think they're wrong. They're dead wrong. She if they if the Republicans are unlucky, the Dems will listen to Peggy Noonan and they'll focus on governing and not all this retribution type stuff. That's not going to happen. And I said that earlier when I said in the case of. Clinton and Obama, the Republicans overplayed their hand. They always do. The party will overplay that and the Democrats especially. And they'll do three things. They won't just go after the Trump family. Slotkin said they're going to go after younger people who join the Trump administration. And Susan Rice said the same thing. She said, we're going to go after CEOs and people that supported it. So and the reason Kara Swisher just said that, you know, she's a big leftist mouthpiece who said she wants the guy. I affectionately called big balls who worked on Doge, who's only 20 years old to potentially get dragged in front and criminally charged. And the reason they're going to do that is that unlike the first term, which was I thought was pretty successful. But the second term, whether whatever you like it or not, they went after the symptoms, not the causes of the progressive project. And they said, how does the progressives become so influential and powerful when they don't have the Supreme Court? They don't have the Congress. And they don't have the presidency. Answer, they control the institution. So let's cut 270,000 bureaucrats, which they did. Let's close the border. Let's deport 500,000 criminals. Let's deport another self-deport a million and deport another. Let's look at DEI and indoctrination in the universities that creates that power they have. Let's go after PBS, NPR and a biased media. You can call it what you want. It might. It's been excessive. But the left, at least, is smart enough to say that counterrevolution was addressing how we have power. We have power through the foundations, through the media, through sports, through DEI, through higher education, through the schools of education. And this guy is the first Republican that woke up and said he wasn't going to play by the Marcus of Queensbury rules. And Dole did and McCain did and Romney did and the Bushes did. But they never stopped it. They got more and more powerful. Most of those people never won a presidential election. Yes. And so it's more powerful. And that's why they understand correctly that if they want to maintain their current level of influence, it transcends politics. They have to keep control of higher education, K through 12, foundations, entertainment, Hollywood, media. And this, with a wrecking ball, Trump comes in and says, I'm going to do what somebody never tried. I'm going to take them all on at once. And that was very controversial. But if she thinks. Those sacred cows. And if she thinks that the left won't do all this or they won't try to change the country, they are going to change the Electoral College, the Supreme Court, as we just said. They don't want to just be in power. They want structural changes that make them always in power. Because they think they're more. Yes, that's so well said. They feel morally superior. And then if she says, she doesn't tell me what are you or anybody, what a reform mega. She says, well, I'm maybe she's a big Rubio supporter. Maybe she said Marco Rubio doesn't do these things like Trump. He stays on message. Or maybe she says J.D. Vance is more successful in combating in debates. He was wonderful in the 2024 campaign on the Saturday talk shows. There's other people. Mantis is a kind of a technocrat. He would be. They're all mega people. But she can just tell us. Would she then vote for them? I don't think she would necessarily. Or maybe she would. And I don't totally credit her assertion that she believes the old establishment party is dead. I think that's the one she's still pining for. No, I think she is too. I don't think it's dead. A certain faction of the party is. Listen, I know you got to go. I love talking to you, VDH. Thank you for being here. And we'll do it again soon. Post results. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. All right. See you soon. Coming up next, Mark Halperin joins us with his predictions. Or at least take on where we are. We've all heard those radio ads about owing money to the IRS. 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Here's the thing with Iran and why I think it's been a big, big drag. You know, it was launched. He obviously ran. He was saying he wasn't going to do a Middle East war. They did. So we have some of our voters who've checked out because they're like, I didn't want any more Middle East wars. And now we're doing it. Had that been wrapped up in like a week, like Venezuela was very quick, people probably wouldn't have been an issue right now. Right. But what's happened is it's kind of an open ended conflict and it's having a direct impact on people's finances because they're going to the gas pump. They're saying energy prices have gone up. And, you know, I made a comment this weekend when I was campaigning for our attorney general candidate. And some of these Republicans are. Saying, oh, well, the gas, don't worry, you know, it's not a big deal. Like they're trying to blame Biden for it. No, no, no. Listen, we just got to be honest. Gas is higher. It hurts people, working class people. And it's higher because of this conflict. That's just a fact. If you can't admit that to voters, then you're gaslighting them and they're not going to listen to you on other things. There you have it. The straight talk in Ron DeSantis. America's relationship with Israel has become a major point of contention as well. Their attitudes in America with. Respect to Israel and its government have changed dramatically across all three parties. Republican, Democrat and independent. Less in the Republican Party. They remain overall supportive of Israel and its government. But less far, far less than they were right after 10, 7 in 2023. And perhaps changes are already afoot because President Trump this morning on Fox and Friends on Election Day suddenly broke the news that the United States is ending its yearly aid. Of billions of dollars to Israel. He said it casually during an answer about foreign policy and shocked the hosts so much so that Brian Kilmeade had to make sure he had understood the president correctly. Watch. We don't understand. We've cut off aid to Israel that we were given a four billion and you're no longer going to be giving them. We were giving them four billion. We are. But it gets cut off at the end of the year. Why? Why? Because they don't need it. Brian, I mean, I asked them because they don't need it. And. Because why should we suffer the slings from lunatics like an El Sayyad when they don't need it? It's a bad it's a bad talking point because we say, why don't we give everybody four billion dollars? Israel's our number one. We give them more than anybody else. And they no longer need it. We've been doing it for years. I've been doing it. But Israel is a very thriving country. They don't need it. If they did need it, I would say keep it going. But Bibi Netanyahu, we reached an agreement on that. Can I be honest with you? He brought it up. He brought it up. He said, I think it would be appropriate if we do not receive aid because he understands that this is one of their points of contention. Joining me now to tell us what's going to happen today is Mark Halperin. He is host of Next Up with Mark Halperin on the MK Media Podcast Network, which you can find on YouTube and all podcast platforms. Mark, I know you don't make predictions, but give us a sense of where things appear to be trending. Or is it true that nobody knows? Well, first of all, having me on after Victor Davis Hanson is like having me on after Frank Sinatra. It's just not really fair. So I'll do I'll do my best. But, you know, going into today, things looked a little better for Republicans, despite two public sets of data that showed Democrats way ahead in the battleground Senate races. Republicans were feeling a little better going in today. Democrats a little worse. But the early vote in places like Texas and Florida and Kansas has has alarmed Republicans. Georgia, as well as the United States, has alarmed Republicans. And so I think it's going to be a little bit different. I think it's going to be a little bit different. Well, so I would say if you don't see a very robust same day turnout today, you can lean towards the notion of a blue tsunami. But right now, with the exception of North Carolina, I can't tell you a single red to blue flip that I that I'd be confident saying is going to happen. They might all happen if there's a big blue tsunami. But but based on people I've talked to, Ohio could stay red. Kansas should stay red. Iowa, Texas, Maine, they all could stay red. And and so the short answer is I don't know anybody who's sure about what's going to happen. But I do know it's still possible, as I've been saying for several weeks, possible that there would be a major blue tsunami that wipes out a lot of Republican seats at all levels. And, you know, for lack of a better way of phrasing it, why? Like, why? What is it? Well, we'll all be looking at the exit polls tonight to get real answers to that. But what's your sense right now? Well, I think political analyst Ron DeSantis was on to something, saying the loud part even louder. Nothing he said there is the least bit controversial, but it was stunning, including to some in the White House to hear their ostensible ally Ron DeSantis enunciated that clearly. If there's if it happens, Megan, I don't think it's going to be a mystery. In fact, I think some people are going to say, well, of course it happened. The president's unpopular for actions he took that voters connect to the biggest issue in their lives for which they blame him. It's pretty simple that that's how presidents get shellacked in midterms. And then from a demographic level, we've talked about this before. You just turn four knobs. More Democrats are going to vote today, probably in these red places than usual. Many more independents are going to vote Democrat than Republican than usual. More Republicans will not vote than usual in rural areas and other places. And more will vote Democrat by a little bit than usual. If you turn those four knobs, it's not hard to go from someplace like Kansas, where a Democrat hasn't won a Senate race in almost 100 years to winning. They also may fall just short. I don't think you're going to see Republicans blow out Democrats in any of these contested races, but they might win them all narrowly or a lot of them narrowly because we're still talking about that red wall, about the historical changes Democrats would have to make to go from two years ago when Donald Trump won these congressional districts and states by 10 points or more to Democrats somehow winning them this year. The prediction by Hillary Clinton, for what it's worth, is that Trump is going to be angrier and even more out of control if the Democrats win back control of the House and Senate. And then she added this in SOT 11, where she appeared on The View. Where are we in American politics and can it get worse? Well, I hope it doesn't get worse because we are truly at the bottom. And the kinds of things that have been said and done in this campaign, you mentioned a bunch of them, are really outside the pale of any kind of politics. It's a political discourse. And what it does is coarsen, you know, people's feelings, desensitizes them. You know, that ad in Ohio against, you know, Amy Acton, whom I know, and is just an incredible person. And to see what she overcame, the way her family treated her, the way her mother betrayed her, and how she's gone on to help people. I mean, the Republican governor, Mike DeWine, put her in charge of the COVID response in the state. That shows you what kind of person she is and how she was valued beyond partisanship and politics. And for Ramaswamy to do that, and for Vance to defend it, and Trump to defend it, it is not just a financial corruption we're dealing with. We're dealing with a moral corruption. And the moral corruption is deep. Mark, I'm just wondering, which is worse, a nasty campaign ad or creating a whole war room devoted to destroying any of your husband's affair partners who want to come forward and talk openly about what he did to them? Just, I mean, on the moral scale, if we're going to go to moral corruption, what do you think? Well, I'll tell you who shouldn't decide. The audience of The View should not be in charge of making that decision. And with the nerve of Hillary Clinton to be talking to us about moral corruption, please. Yeah. I mean, the Clintons have what we call an Arkansas chutzpah. Yeah, they do. I'm not sure it's the greatest move for the Dems to trot Hillary Clinton out, along with Kara Swisher. They're promoting their new podcast together. Just to put people into their minds, Republicans, as you point out, who might actually be thinking about voting Dem just to send the GOP a message, who the standard bearers are of the other team. Yeah, I mean, really, Kara Swisher and Hillary Clinton on The View and an Anderson Cooper is designed for a certain demographic that, as you say, necessarily where Democrats want to be playing right now. But like most Americans, they have a podcast to promote and nothing will stop them. And I think that's a good thing. I think that's a good thing. So what do you make? You know, you're saying wouldn't surprise you if all the swing states remained red. But I was talking with Victor about the fact that this Atlas Intel poll, which was, according to Nate Silver, the top rated performer in 2024. Obviously, it did not miss the Trump wave that was coming then. So it doesn't seem like we can write them off as a biased pollster is predicting all of these Senate seats, not like the crazy ones like South Carolina or Mississippi. But I mean, all the rest, Alaska, New Hampshire, Maine, Iowa, Kansas, Michigan, Ohio, North Carolina and Texas are all going to go blue. Yeah. You know, if you compare their results, the New York Times numbers, they're actually in some races more favorable to the Democrats than the Times and vice versa. But both of them have the Democrats either even or ahead in all seven races. They're very good pollsters. I've met with them and they have an innovative methodology. They're not biased. They don't be the best. So those numbers could be right. But and significantly in both the New York Times polls and the Atlas polls, the front runner in this case, the Democrat, the leader is is at or near 50. And that's significant this close to Election Day. At the same time, we know that it's possible that they're simply not able to accurately model the electorate or turn out Republicans. I will say again, I'm not a I'm not a predictor and I'm not someone who favors either side. But although polls, in the past, have at times underestimated Republican support, they may actually be underestimating or they may actually be underestimating Democratic support here. And so just as I wouldn't be surprised if the Republicans saved all their seats, but North Carolina, they may not save any of them. And if if those two national or those two polls by national organizations are correct, it they won't be particularly close either. Because I was listening to the New York Times podcast yesterday and they were talking about how you know that they have had trouble getting MAGA Republicans to respond to pollsters and therefore they have started all the pollsters kind of oversampling or extrapolating bigger numbers from the MAGA Republicans that they do get. They wait them more in their polls to try to not make the same mistakes that they've made. But they were openly discussing that risk that in an election like this one where there is negative sentiment on the GOP side about Republicans, not to mention on the Dems side about Republicans. They're not sure if that is the correct thing to be doing this time around or whether they're doing they're overdoing it. You know, if you look at some of the main issues that are firing up Democrats to vote and causing independents to turn towards Democrats in some numbers, most of those or at least many of those are issues that MAGA doesn't like Trump's position on. They don't like his position on data centers. They don't like his position on this. They don't like how he handled Epstein. All these things make it confusing to poll because when you're polling, if you want to make sure you get the right number of Republicans, but you want to make sure you get the right number of MAGA Republicans versus Romney Republicans. But in this case, the additional complication is we talk on two way all the time to MAGA Republicans who maybe they're not going to vote Democrat, but they're going to sit it out because of the issues basket. I just said they don't like the war. They don't like the price of diesel. They don't like the way Epstein was handled. They don't like data centers. So this I have said for months, this is the hardest midterm I've ever covered, the most complicated, the most difficult to understand. And that extends to the polling. I don't control a polling budget anymore. But if I did, I'd probably be doing fewer polls and spending a lot more in the individual polls to try to figure out the right way to model this electorate. Mm hmm. I don't think I'd be doing polling. I've been saying to the audience all week that either the Democrats are going to take, you know, the blue tsunami is coming. and they're going to take control of the House and the Senate, or polling is dead. It's dead. Move on without it. It's one of those two things. We'll know, well, we hope, within a matter of 12 hours. If things drag, it may take to my birthday, November 18th. We're told to find states like Alaska and possibly Maine. Cozy Earth has been an absolute game changer in my home. I love Cozy Earth. I know you're going to love it too. Making the bed and couch infinitely more comfortable. Now that cozy season is officially here and the nights are getting cooler, there are two specific pieces that we need to talk about. First up, their bamboo sheet set. 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Here's what Kelshi says are the races with the most movement over the past few days. It's all about the mo, as they say. There's the Kansas Senate race. That race was tied on Halloween, which by the way, was just a couple of days ago. Now traders have GOP incumbent Roger Marshall down to 38% and Adam Hamilton, the Democrat, up to 62%. What happened? Then there's the Iowa Senate race for the first time ever. Josh Turek, the Democrat, has passed Ashley Hinson, the GOP candidate competing for Joni Ernst's seat. Turek went up to 52% this morning. What did he have, like a better Halloween costume than she did? But traders now have that 150-50. So who the hell knows? In Michigan, the Senate race there, all eyes are on it. Abdul El-Sayed's now at 77%, 77, I say, compared to Mike Rogers, who's at 23. That's a seven point swing in El-Sayed's direction in just two days. Apparently regular people. Do not think much of the Haley Stevens endorsement of Mike Rogers since the Kalshi prediction market is going in El-Sayed's favor. By the way, our sponsor Kalshi reflects what traders actually believe. It's real-time odds on the midterms. Give it a try. If you want, you got a few more hours, you can use the code Megan Kelly or just click the link in our description. New users are going to get 25 bucks free to play with when they trade 25 bucks. Mark Halperin's back with us now. So what do you make of the Michigan race? I was not moved by Haley Stevens. She's out on X this morning with another attempt to explain her move. Like now she's clearly had somebody advise her and write this post for her. The long explanation about why she's really not going to vote Democrat. She's voting for Mike Rogers. I wasn't moved by it, remain unmoved by it. All the odds around El-Sayed have only gone up, like in other words, in his favor. And I, I could be wrong, but I just feel like, that one is slipping away quickly from the Republican. What do you make of it? Well, you and I agree on many points here, including, you know, there's a way to take a principled stand in the national spotlight and enunciate with a vivid explanation why you're doing what you're doing. That's not what she did. She made a kind of a weak stab at it at her press conference. But then on TV and on Twitter, it's just a mess. I mean, I'm pretty good at following nonlinear arguments. I'm paid to do it for a living. I can't even really understand like what her argument is. I think if he fed it on to Chad GPT and said, what is this woman saying? You'd stump the band. I don't know that even Chad GPT could summarize it. He's nasty. Yeah, he's nasty. You know, Anderson, I feel like they were disrespecting me as my imitation. So no, he no, he he he was he he ejected. He was for ejection. That's really what that was the tell. And then she cleaned it up, too. I meant injected hatred, Anderson. Yeah. So, again, I'd like to see a parallel universe where this happened earlier and where she enunciated. And for all I know, somewhere inside of her, there is a principled explanation for this, but she's not done it. And therefore, you know, the whole theory of this is other people are given what they call politics permission structure to say, well, if a Democratic congresswoman will do this and I can do it, too. I don't think she's pulled that off. And I'm a little still a little skeptical as I hear it. Keep your hearing on MS now that this is helping El Sayed, but it certainly helped him raise two million bucks. I don't know how quickly he can spend it here in the last few days. Maybe just buy pizza for all the volunteers, but a lot of pizza. But but I keep I keep looking at her trying to understand her explanation. I see it about as clearly as her fiance sees her. Yeah, he's legally blind. Yeah, I got it. I got that. I'm just saying I got the very murky. I would say that that I misjudged the impact it would have because I when I first heard about it, because I thought it would create a kind of a focus. One of the things about the Rogers campaign, and he's a very able guy and his team's very good. I've known them a long time. They haven't really decided what they want to say about El Sayed to run against him. Right. Is he too liberal? Is he too close to the Muslim Brotherhood? Is he too inexperienced? Is he too angry? Is he too hostile to Israel? Like they haven't really settled on what they want to say. So they kind of say it all. And and I think I think what she did didn't help. Because she didn't clarify in her public presentation. Why should a Democrat be against this guy? I don't really even know why she is. Mm hmm. I agree with you completely. I don't think the Muslim Brotherhood hits land. Yeah. Just think the people who are offended by that, you know, those connections are already voting for Mike Rogers. It's not really moving the needle for them. They needed to come up with something else about his inexperience, dishonesty. He's a hothead. A lot of hotheads running. This year on Team Blue. Like that Mary Peltola. Yeah. She's screaming at the staff and throwing the papers at them. Oh, no, I wasn't throwing. They were I was wishing them off the desk. She was wishing them off. And also she was just mad that they weren't finding more Dan Sullivan's to run than the one they found. Yeah. They need it. They need a cubby of Dan Sullivan's. You know, I've wished things off of desks that have caused extraordinary damage, even though that wasn't my intention. So I get it. I've done my share of wishing. She's an angry, angry lady. She's a And then there's apparently a drunk lady about to become governor potentially in Ohio. Why does that Amy Acton sound completely hammered in every clip you see of her? Maybe just her stylized way of speaking. But I have to say just just subjectively in my own states, I would not want to live in Ohio if she wins and I hear her state of the state address and listen to her give press conferences. I just don't find it a soothing, a soothing way to spend my time. Well, I think, you know, at a minimum, we can be comforted if she wins by the thought that she'll have a designated driver taking her around and will no longer be behind the wheel. Here's the latest example. This is top five from November 1st, Sunday. Over one hundred and twenty five million dollars and counting full of lies. Dick's lesson. They're lying and buying the way through the selection. But all that money, it never makes the needle one inch. No, no, no. To be fair. To be fair. I've talked like that, too, after a three martini lunch. I have. I have. I don't know. That's my favorite version of you. I don't know. With with all of this olive juice on the side. Thank you. I don't know if that's her normal way of speaking. Whenever I hear her speak, she speaks like that. It has to be. But that means maybe she can't be drunk all the time. I don't know. I don't know why she speaks like she can't. I don't know. It's hard to be. Have you ever known an alcoholic? They can be drunk all the time. Yeah, they usually take a few hours break on occasion. I don't know. All right. We need to see. But not like going out in front of a crowd. You're nervous. That might be the time where you'd be tapping in a little extra. Let's we got to listen to it again. OK. Over one hundred and twenty five million dollars and counting. Full of lies. Dick's lesson. But all that money, it never moves the needle one inch. Lying and buying. Lying and buying. Waiter, I will not have the fourth martini. You should have a bill, please. Also for us. I was. She's she's going to be fun to cover. I'll say that if she wins. I just I don't I don't like listening to her. So let me ask you this. What would be the biggest surprise to you tonight? Like if if the following happens, you'll be slack jawed. What? Florida and Louisiana Senate races go Democrat. Oh, well, I said I'd be going to start with like baby steps like South Dakota or Mississippi. Do you mean South Dakota? South Carolina, South Carolina, South Carolina. I thought for a while ever since Dr. Andrews was on NextUp several months ago, I thought for a while she was going to win or had a good chance to win, I should say. And I wouldn't be surprised if Mississippi, you know, we spend all this time talking about national trends and inflation and price of diesel, who the candidates are a matter of time. And and although there are some Democratic candidates like Tallarico and El Sad, who I think have been overrated by the press, some of their candidates are excellent. They. They've made almost no mistakes. It's not just that the liberal media likes them, loves them. They've done a really good job of defining the race of not letting. themselves to be defined by the Democratic Party. Adam Hamilton's done that. Kalam has done that in Mississippi. He has done that. Annie Andrews has done that. I mean, again, I'm not covering them day to day. I'm sure they're making mistakes along the way, but it's filtered through the national coverage. They've run nearly perfect campaigns and that's what it takes, right? It's not, it's a necessary, but not sufficient condition, but it is necessary. You're not going to be a Democrat who wins in a red state if you're constantly making errors and they just haven't. And again, not true, not true of El Sad, not true of Tallarico, but the others have done a really good job and their teams have done a very good job. On the subject of Tallarico, we've devoted countless times to that race, as I'm sure you have as well. Is it the most expensive race in the country? Oh yeah, it's number one. Ohio's number two. Okay. And I keep thinking about my friend, Jesse Kelly, who's also on the MKC. And he's from Texas. He's from Houston. He's run for office before. He served our country honorably. And he just, early on when Paxton got the nomination over Cornyn was like, there's just no way. This always happens where people say, oh, the Democrat's going to do it. You know, like with Beto, it's too close for comfort, but they don't do it. And he, you know, he felt as I felt that there was just no way the state of Texas would elect, God is non-binary. I'm a vegan. You know, Mary was pro-choice candidate for office. And yet here we are with him, apparently leading Paxton by significant margins in virtually every poll that's come out recently. And I just wonder what, if he wins tonight, Mark, what will be the explanation for that? Well, I thought he'd be knocked out in August. I really did think they, once the primary was over, they'd run two weeks of negative ads or talking about a hundred things. He said in the past that would have knocked out any previous candidate. And so once that didn't happen, once he was still standing, I thought, okay, we need to think anew. I've said for two decades, I didn't think a Democrat could win statewide in Texas anytime soon. And so this is not, I'm not one of those people who thought Beto would win or any of these other people would win. It's, it's, it is for, for Texas Republicans, just a horrible confluence of factors. What someone who's prone to use cliches would call a perfect storm. Tallarico's raised a lot of money. He, he's pumped up the Democratic base and he's running against a guy who a lot of Republicans hate. They just have no use for Paxton. Um, if it weren't for Elon's checkbook, I think the race would be over, but Elon has kept the, kept the race there. Uh, and, um, and, and I'm not sure what's going to happen. I talked to people in both parties there all the time, and I'm just not sure what's going to happen, but, but I know Tallarico can win. Uh, the fact that the governor's race has improved for governor Abbott, I don't think it's going to happen. I don't think it's going to happen. helps paxton but it's not dispositive because i know because i've talked to many texans there are a lot of people who will vote for for the governor for abbott but won't vote for paxton they'll leave it blank or they'll vote for tal rica the ticket splitting the latest poll though that atlas intel poll had had governor abbott losing to he could he could absolutely he could absolutely lose it'll take a blue tsunami as big as connecticut it'll take something massive but he could absolutely lose and and and again it's it's hard to have fathomed these things like hasn't been a texas democrat statewide in 30 years it hasn't been a kansas senator in almost 100 years we're all we're all subject to just thinking as are the political strategists in the states we're all subject to thinking of the historical models it's just the numbers aren't there because they haven't been there in decades well the numbers can be there the numbers can be there if you get into a realm of saying you know black vote's going to swell hispanic vote's going to swell and switch to democrats young people are somehow going to turn out independents are going to switch then it's understandable because these are states are not 70 30 under normal circumstances they're like 55 45 let me read you what alex berenson posted on x yesterday i really respect him he's i don't i don't think i'd call him a conservative i don't really know what his partisan stripes are to his credit he worked for the new york times but then he was like one of the chief covid skeptics who got targeted by the biden administration and sued and won so you know he's gone through what we've all gone through and being gaslit by our government on things that matter when it comes to public health etc this is what he posted clearly a reference here to trump the old man was treated unfairly in 2016 when they tried to crown hillary 2018 when they pretended he was a russian spy 2020 when they pretended covid was the plague 2024 when they prosecuted him for the crime of beating hillary but there's nothing unfair about the ass whipping he is about to take he deserves every inch of it and more this time around he has become the grifting incompetent doddering fool they said he was he has leaned into the caricature so far he's fallen over and taken the republican party with him i take no joy in writing this i voted for him in 24 and hope for better but the next two years will be brutal and he has only himself and the thieving courtiers he installed around him to blame wow that's some harsh stuff there but does he have a point at least is he speaking to the public health department he's not speaking to the public health department he's not for some disaffected group of trump 2024 voters there he absolutely is and when i did my my list my litany before of things that liberals don't like about trump that many mega people don't i should have included the thieving courtiers i mean i hear this all the time from folks like they don't mind donald trump being rich but they do mind donald trump and his family and their friends getting rich while he's in the white house i hear it all the time you know you could add the ballroom to that too me too you know and so and so if we see defections tonight from people three-time trump voters who either don't vote in some of these races or who vote democratic it's not going to be there's it's not going to be like a search for the answer the only search will be for every individual voter which combination of data centers epstein inflation diesel the war and bach raking which combination will it be in the heart and soul of these individual defectors but it's a long list it's a long list and if you took trump's name out of it it's a long list and if you took trump's name out of it it's a long list out of it if you just did a focus group with maga folks right after the 24 election and said what would you think of a president who got us into an internet a foreign war in the middle east hate him what would you think of a president where diesel under his watch or her watch the diesel went to six dollars six bucks what would you think of a president who protected jeffrey epstein what would you think of a president who made who along with his family made billions while they were in office these things would all be what would you think of a president who stood with the billionaires who were making a fortune over data centers and said these guys should just be able to do whatever they want i mean maga would say well i would never support somebody like that even though it's the patron saint and the leader of the maga movement and and i'm not i'm not making his positions cartoonish or his record cartoonish those things with the possible exception of epstein those things are all factual you know they're not they're not spin or whatever those are all true and on epstein at a that allowed people to feel like they were covering something up so i mean epstein that the bite that's going to be it will live in infamy and i see it all the time in my comment sections is epstein are people still talking about epstein who wants to right people couldn't they couldn't believe what they were saying in that 100 when pam bondi was in the room that 100 and it was shot and the tone of that is the same tone where he says one of my favorite trump lines now affordability affordability they say it's affordability you know um again like i want to see the exit polls i'm curious but if there's a blue tsunami you know it's just going to be laughably obvious what happened and and and and as bernson said he has no one to blame but himself all those things were initiated by him controlled by him decisions that he made he didn't make the decision to raise the price of diesel but it's a direct derivative of a decision he did make regarding iran and it's the same it's the with israel it's the same with israel i know what do you make of that like today on election day yeah on fox and friends i don't know how okay we're gonna cancel the it like i feel like the people who wanted the aid canceled maybe that should have happened a couple months ago giving these some of these embattled republicans like mike rogers the chance to run on it i think that happened months ago i actually i may be wrong but i think that's already been announced i think he was just repeating it i may be wrong but that's my recollection well they've been saying it's gonna happen yeah but i mean he kind of said it's done like the decision's been made well certainly he certainly intended to emphasize it but you know the president sometimes has a great sense of timing and sometimes he has no sense at all and i and anything he thinks he's going to do today or even yesterday that's going to have some big impact on the election i think he's probably a little bit off and again i have said after bill clinton he's the second greatest political athlete i've seen in my career so i'm not someone who's a critical of his general fingertip field for things but he's he's definitely messed this up even if there's not a blue tsunami you won't find anybody including people who are friends of his and supporters of his and staff of his who won't say he messed he messed up a lot of stuff in this election so let's say we awake tomorrow to the blue tsunami let's just say it happens we don't know what are we in for for the next two months two years i wrote i wrote a column about this yesterday and i'm amazed at how little it's been discussed because it has huge implications for a ton of stuff first of all if you're this is kind of micro but if you're a democratic strategist or advisor or staffer you can have a lot of jobs to choose from because every one of those new members of congress and every one of those new governors is going to have to hire like 30 people. And then all the lobbying firms in D.C. are going to have to hire more Democrats because they're going to have to deal with the majority. I think Schumer and Jeffries are going to have a lot of decisions to make. Everybody talks about how they're going to be captive to the left wing. But if there is a blue tsunami, we're going to have Democratic senators from places like Iowa and South Carolina and Kansas who, if they want to get reelected, they can't vote with AOC and Chris Murphy and, you know, other liberals. They're going to have to they're going to have to figure out their own path. So Schumer and Jeffries are going to have a very complicated set of decisions to make about how they manage the process. And of course, the president's going to have to decide if he even tries to work with the Democrats. The Democrats are going to have to decide if they confirm anybody or they just refuse to confirm any Trump judges even for two years. And then and then obviously, you know, on the government gubernatorial level, but also in Congress, what what are the policies? What are the policies on health care? What are the policies on A.I.? What are the policies on data centers? Like, there'll be a lot of policy implications of this. It's not just about the politics, of course. It's also about how the country is going to be governed in the wake of will not be it will not be, as you well know, will not be a validation of the Democratic brand or any Democratic ideas because they offered none. It's just going to be a repudiation of the president. And now from that wreckage, both sides are going to have to decide what the terms of the battle are and what what policies they want to pursue. But the Democrats have no mandate for nothing. Mm hmm. I think it will be investigation Rama. You know, I mean, every other day, we're going to get a new person dragged in there and that will be a sideshow that doesn't improve anyone's life. It'll be very satisfactory to some Democrats. Satisfying. They'll be very happy to see, you know, the Trump sons and Alina Haba dragged in there to figure out. Yeah, Elon. Exactly. They're going to want to see all of that happen. But eventually, you know, people are going to want to see that they're doing something. I don't know. Like, I suppose you could make the argument that Trump will be relegated to his pen and his phone. But that's kind of the way it's been since he was elected in 24 because I don't have 60 votes, 60 vote threshold. Look, I think the Democrats want some stuff, right? They want the Obamacare subsidies back. They want the Medicaid cuts restored. They want money for hospitals restored. And and so the question is going to be, is the president going to give him any of that in exchange for something? Or is it just going to be a face off until we have a presidential election? And and if you booked Jeffrey Schumer and Trump, I don't think you get the answer to that because it's just not know it's just not knowable right now. It's very interesting to me that you set up your Zoom shot with like a another chair in the background there. But the asymmetry of it is you must not have any OCD at all. I don't think my OCD could have handled that. Yeah, we're in a temporary apartment. So you should be lucky that I'm sitting down. You should be lucky I have Wi-Fi. But yeah, I have to say I have the same view of the shot. Every so often. I think I need to move that. And then I sit down and plug myself into my headphones and I haven't moved it. I don't know. I find it kind of soft. Or you need another one on the other shoulder. Either one. I find it kind of Salvador Dali. It's just like you can't you can't you can't look away from it. And and then people are paying less attention to how tired I look. So it's got its ups. It's got its upsides. You can't look away. It's been it's going to start to make me tick. I know. Next time. Next time I'm on. Next time I'm on, I'll throw a I'll throw a bubble cuddle blanket over it or something. Thank you for that. Thanks for everything. Good to see you. Thank you. Everyone's talking about weight loss injections because the results can be so dramatic. They work by lowering blood sugar and reducing appetite. But what if you are looking to lose weight but are not interested in painful weekly injections, especially when you hear about some of those intense side effects? That's why doctors created a weight loss supplement called Lean. And the results could be remarkable. Lean says the studied ingredients in their product have been shown to lower your blood sugar and lower your blood sugar levels. And they've also been shown to lower your burn fat by converting it into energy and curb your appetite and cravings so you are not as hungry. But listen, Lean is not for the casual dieter looking to lose a few pounds. 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It's too awful to think about the fear those children must have been feeling. Anita Maria Apolito-Satina was the family's nanny. She was with them, said to be like a member of their family, traveling with them. And another couple who was clearly friends with Adam and Helen. Their names were Rachel Reed and Charmi Fair. Rachel worked in Austin at a salon. She was a nurse. And she worked at a salon where they do cosmetic procedures. And she was said to be a, quote, permanent makeup artist, like the kind of makeup artist that could give you like permanently great eyebrows, that kind of thing. And the people who went to her said she was amazing at it. And she was always so pleasant to deal with and just kind and loving. And it was apparently very, very much in love with Charmi. Together, they owned a boutique hotel. In Honduras. So that's another fact about the two of them. Their representatives, their family members put out a joint statement after they died, basically acknowledging that they were gone, saying with broken hearts, our families share that Adam, Helen, their children, Emma and Charlie, Rachel Reed and Charmi Fair and Anita were among those lost. Adam and Helen were devoted parents and their children were among those lost. And they were told that they were going to die. And they Emma and Charlie were the light of their lives. Helen and Adam were the love affair that will last forever. Their warmth, generosity, and gift for making people feel welcome touched so many lives. Charmy and Rachel were full of joy and adventure. They loved their people fiercely, fully, and without hesitation from the moment they met. They were all in on each other and the life they were building. They are deeply loved, and we will miss them endlessly. Anita Maria cared for Emma and Charlie with tenderness and devotion. She was truly part of the family. They said, we ask for privacy as we grieve. Details about the memorial services will be shared once the arrangements are made. I don't know if they just called Emma Bella as a nickname because I have seen her name listed. Emma's name listed as Bella, so that's unclear to me. We are learning more about the pilot of the aircraft as well. His name was Jeff Gregory. He was 55 years old. His wife, Cheryl, survives him. She's 53. They have three children. According to a longtime friend and former neighbor named David Peters, Jeff grew up attending Limerick Chapel in Pennsylvania. It says their parents worked at the church, and the two of them attended a small Christian school together. Jeff loved wearing his leather bomber jacket. He eventually pursued that childhood dream of becoming a pilot. He remembered Jeff as very diligent and dependable. His church emailed congregants to break the harrowing news, reports the U.S. Sun, that the pilot was among the nine confirmed dead in Sunday's crash. He went home to be with the Lord, they wrote, when the plane he was flying crashed. He was an experienced pilot. He had been flying since at least 2016. It may have been longer than that, but that's certainly one of the dates on which he received one of his licenses and certifications. He was licensed. He was licensed to fly the Learjet 60 and had no pilot-in-command restriction on the Learjet 60. There was an unconfirmed report yesterday that he did have a restriction, but it appears to have been untrue. This guy, Adam, who appears to be the main force behind the renting of the jet, Adam Robinson, was much beloved in the tech field. And what's really bittersweet about his story. is he seems to be one of those Silicon Valley guys or Wall Streets guys, I guess, in his case, who actually did have a perspective on what matters and had come around to the realization that it wasn't necessarily the almighty dollar. He made an ex post back in April and listened to how it read. In my 20s, I used to work on Wall Street. People my age now, 45, said they were working 70, 80, 90 hours a week for their families, but all their families actually wanted was their presence. They didn't understand why their families resented how much they worked when they lived in a nice house and their kids went to private schools. It was just the world we all lived in. We knew nothing else. I decided early in my startup journey that wasn't going to be me. My co-founders and I have always had a policy of quitting at 5 or 5.30. By that, I mean shut off. My laptop. No more work talk. Go home to my family. Frequently, I'm out even earlier, between 3 and 5, depending on whether I want to do something with the kids. I rarely travel for work and don't entertain for work. My family life gives me energy from my work. My work gives me energy from my family life. I'm trying to stay not burnt out and excited about this for several decades. Can every founder choose this? Maybe not everybody, but more than one. More people have the choice than realize they do. There is great reward that comes from designing a business around the life you want. A friend of his named Jesse Olette told TMZ that Adam had recently shared how happy he was with his life, saying things were, quote, going too well as the businesses continued to grow and his family was loving life in Aspen, Colorado. He remembered Adam as an incredible person telling, TMZ, his loss will be deeply felt by the software founders who knew him as a friend and colleague. Another friend of his was online on X yesterday talking about how he always made time for you. On the birth of your children, this guy said, he would have this enormous, like an enormous stuffed animal from overseas that he got in some foreign country sent to you for your child. That if you mentioned an idea to him, he would do it. Just to sort of pay you the honor of taking you seriously. Like he pointed out that he suggested to Adam, he should have that Adam should have his own face put on little like three quarter zips to promote his company. And Adam has sent him a picture of Adam wearing it like he did it. And he sent his friend the picture showing him he had done it. And it did strike me that this was a very thoughtful man. He was, he was thinking about his children and how to spend more time with them. He was thinking about the value of life and how many decades one. Could potentially get and how to spend that time. He was thinking about valuing friends and taking the time out of one's busy day to send them both explicit and implicit messages, letting them know he cared. I mean, it's extraordinary. And his wife, I know less about having read about these couples, but it certainly seems she was a creative sort, loved beauty. The pottery that I I've seen of hers online was absolutely stunning. Can see why she was a success. And it's interesting to see that sort of beauty and community. And I think that's, I think that's, I think that's, I think that's one of the most important things that I've ever seen in my life, that I've ever seen in my life. and commitment to creativity paired with communications, which tends to be a very toxic field. Trust me on that. But they seemed by all accounts written up about those two and the other couple on board, very much in love, trying to go to the Bahamas for a family vacation. It was something that Adam apparently felt pride about the fact that he could fly private, you know, having worked on wall street for 10 years. And then he launched this company that had to do with, allowing businesses to unearth emails of that were associated with anonymous website visitors. So it would help you potentially increase your mailing list, I guess. I don't totally understand it, but apparently he was a tech entrepreneur and was very clever about his businesses. But listen to this, um, in a video that shows him talking about, um, his thoughts on flying private. This was posted by someone who goes by Pulsey, P-U-L-E-C-Y, P-U-L-E-C-Y.com on X, um, the details of what show this was and when it was recorded are unknown. Watch some of my very rich friends were like using it. And I just assumed that it was inaccessible to me. And then, you know, cause they were almost like using it as like the status symbol. And then I remember when I found out it was only like a couple thousand dollars a month, and I could fly for free from New York to Miami or like Chicago. And I was, it was at a time where I was like single and traveling a lot. And it was like this feeling that I got of like, wow, I can actually fly private too. You know, it was like, like, and I, I, I like understand in the status that I, I got, you know, it's like, it's like it became part of my identity, you know? I mean, that is just chilling when you think about how he died. And it does sound almost out of character from what we've learned about him, you know, that he didn't seem all that focused on status seemed more like he was a family man who happened to be very successful, but maybe you never know. I mean, people are multilayered. They have lots of motivations, but I have to tell you, you know, I grew up middle-class and we didn't have any money. I always joke with Doug because his family was members. They were members of a cricket club always went to the town pool. His dad grew up with nothing. He was just, he was a doctor and he kind of made it and he wanted them to join a nice club. He did not have a silver spoon, but my point is simply, you know, I came from really no money and zero connections. And then I became a journalist and, you know, had access to more money and so on. And so in my professional life over the past 15 years, that was the first time I I'd ever been in a private jet. I mean, really, I, I, I remember, I was with Doug in 2008 and we were meeting a family friend of his who had billions. And she was telling me about how they had traveled down from New York to Palm beach with their dogs on the plane, their golden retrievers on the plane. And I was like, she told me they were running up and down the aisle. And I was like, Oh, what airline lets your dog run up and down the aisle? And she said, we have the privilege of flying private. I was like, Oh, Oh, that makes sense. It wasn't even like, a thought in my head that people flew private jets, even though of course I knew by 2008, indeed they did just was so unfamiliar to me. But since then I have been on many private planes, just because you start to read, meet people who have them and then they offer you a ride, or you have to take a business trip where it can be a business write-off and whatever. And I will tell you that like the first time you're on one, you're like, Oh wow, look at this. Yeah, I'm fancy. I've arrived. Like he was kind of explaining there. And then soon thereafter, my experience is you learn the hard way that it's a bus in the sky, man. Like the standards around these private jets and the pilots who fly them very widely, vastly. And you may get a plane that doesn't have to meet anywhere near the same safety standards as your American airlines jet does pulling out a JFK. And you certainly may get a pilot or two, who do not measure up to the pilots that would be flying your commercial jetliner. And you learn this the hard way. I I've got to be honest, Abby and I, you know, all these years, if I had to take one, she would book it for me. And what you do is you go through a broker and the broker knows exactly what you want, which is basically the cheapest you can find. Cause you know, at least in our case, we're just using it for business purposes to get someplace very fast. They'll get back on the air and time to do the show, a remote location. You're not really doing it for luxury. You're doing it because it's the most convenient, fastest way to get in. And you have other obligations. So you, you don't know what you're getting. A lot of these brokers just like give you like some jet and some pilot, and you have no idea what their qualifications are. And we had so many scary plane rides. I mean, truly way too many scary plane rides that I just, I do it as infrequently as humanly possible. Now I'm, I'm afraid of them. I am. I'm afraid of these small private jets. Now I used to think they were luxurious, like Adam said. And now I am afraid of them. Unless you go through one of these companies, you know, that, you know, like a net jets that will only hire pilots that have the same qualifications as the big airlines or, and use planes that have the same or similar safety standards, you are taking serious risks. And I don't know for sure, but it certainly looks like he was not on one of those services. And I, I don't mean to disparage the fact that he was not on one of those pilot, but it sounds like there really may have been serious pilot error errors made here based on our discussion yesterday where, you know, what we were told is it's ultimately up to the pilot to avoid the weather. Air traffic control has some responsibility, of course, and that's all going to be looked at by the NTSB, but it's the responsibility of the pilot to keep the plane out of severe thunderstorms like they had. It was, it was once in a generation storm, they said over Palm beach that day. And I know, okay, hindsight's 2020, but no, because many, Many of the commercial jetliners had canceled their flights through and to Palm Beach that day. So, you know, it's just, that's one of the big questions is why, why wasn't this flight canceled or rerouted to avoid these bad thunderstorms that the Learjet was clearly not equipped for the icing on the wings, the attempt to get out of what was obviously severe turbulence by going up a few thousand feet. And what we heard yesterday was that clearly the ice, not clearly, we don't know this. It was speculation by our guest that the ice on the wings was already loading down the plane and risking a stall because they were at minus 54 degrees Fahrenheit up at 37,000 feet or so and stuck in a bad storm and had been in it for a while. And we're experiencing severe turbulence, which is dangerous and causes additional challenges to the plane. And then asked for the permission to go up some to get out of the bad air. And that the belief is that when they did that, this is again, speculation at this point, it was just too much on the plane. It caused a stall and the airplane started to go down. So these are the questions that are going to be looked into. And one other word on the co-pilot, the young woman, uh, Phil Gatiss, Natalie for Gatiss. She, um, her sister has spoken out saying that she, her sister fought until the last moment she could saying, this is Julia. Phil Gatiss saying, uh, she's 21 calling her sister, a brave, amazing girl. Her sister, Natalie was only 20. She said she wanted to be a pilot since she was 12 and she showed any girl could do what it takes. Um, you know what the, the, the young, the, the age of the co-pilot caused a lot of people yesterday to say, you know, this is a DEI, it's a young girl. This is the DEI hire. But I have to say, and as I, as I said on the air yesterday, if you listen to that audio of this young woman, she was remarkably composed, remarkably composed. What would you sound like if you were placed in this position with these responsibilities? When you knew certain death was approaching, when you knew the lives of others were about to end on your watch as you were in the co-pilot seat. I mean, the fact, yes, there were minor moments where she screamed, but she held it together and she provided a ton of information that the NTSB will use. And this woman saved lives by providing that information and explaining what they were going through. It'll be used by the NTSB. It'll be used by other pilots to try to avoid similar mistakes and situations. So I really think that she is, is a hero for what she did. She wasn't the main pilot charged with flying the plane. That was the 55 year old man next to her. This was a 20 year old who'd had 1300 flying hours already at just 20, who under the most trying of circumstances managed to almost entirely keep her cool. Stay communicating. And I do believe, though she couldn't save the people on board her own aircraft, probably saved others by relaying that information. For those of you who didn't hear it. And with that in mind, we will play the audio again. Here is how the audio sounded as this flight went down in Palm Beach yesterday. So Roger, say outside air temperature. Negative 47 degrees. We're managing the ice, but it is moderate turbulence. We're directly for it. Okay. November 722 Bravo Delta. Roger, let me know if you need anything else. I'm just working you into my airspace right now. Thank you. If you have any better rides, let us know, 2 Bravo Delta. November 2 Bravo Delta. The rides do improve on my airspace. You're kind of far outside of it right now. And you can expect better rides ahead. Roger, 2 Bravo Delta. And now we're picking up precipitation. We need to climb 370 if able, 2 Bravo Delta. Roger. Climb and maintain climbable 370. No further right than your present heading for traffic. Climb 370, 2 Bravo Delta. 722 Bravo Delta. We're descending 8,000. Mayday, mayday. We're descending 10,000 feet per minute. Roger. Declaring emergency. 722 Bravo Delta. We are in an oversea condition. Descending 20,000 feet per minute. Roger. Out to your discretion. Let me know what you need. We're going to crash into the ground. 722 Bravo Delta. I'm here with you. Talk to me. We are descending 22,000 feet. And we are banking 60 degrees. Roger. Look out tight, Jack. Look out tight. Holy. We're out of time. How do you hear? That poor young woman and the families of those lost are grieving today. Our thoughts are with them. And we hope we hope the NTSB comes up with answers. They will be having another presser today in about an hour or so. It was supposed to be 3 p.m. Eastern. So if we get a meaningful update, we'll bring that to you. to you tomorrow in the midst of what will surely be a politics-heavy show. By the way, yesterday on the show, we had Captain Steve Scheiber, and he was just wonderful. You guys may know Captain Steve from his YouTube show. He was just wonderful. And he was the one who really set us straight on the young female co-pilot saying, 1,300 hours at age 20 is a lot. And he said, I only started two or three years after that. It's really not that young. And she was pretty experienced. And he said, what I hear in the TV news coverage that had been done of her when she was a 17-year-old pilot, what I hear is a pilot. That's what I hear. That's what you want to hear, the enthusiasm for flying. And he also thought she was very professional, all things considered, as that plane went down. And this young girl who had her whole life in front of her knew she had to have known it was ending. As her co-pilot said, the R4. Father, as the pilot in command, a religious man, a Christian, had the wisdom to know it was over and that there was no saving the plane. I feel so bad for all of them. It is a minor miracle that no one on the ground was killed. One man hurt his leg, but that is it. And there are some gruesome reports, which we are not going to get into, about the wreckage scene today. But it is one of the many things that the first responders and the NTSB will have to deal with. And I think it's a very important thing to do. And so prayers are in order for them as well. Okay, before we close out the show, I just want to give you a quick update on the Russell Brand trial. Today, the jury came back. You recall that the defense issued its closing statement yesterday. The prosecution had gone Friday. And this morning, basically all of today, they spent the day in a bizarre practice that I wasn't familiar with in Great Britain, where the judge basically summarized all of the closing arguments and evidence for the jury. Like the prosecution had its final bite at the apple. The defense had its final bite at the apple. And then the judge reiterated all of what he thought were the salient points for the jury. I mean, it was actually kind of bizarre. He said he was going to be pulling together the threads of the case that during his own summing up, he said that he will miss out on some witnesses altogether and pick out the witnesses who seem to be the most significant. It's kind of extraordinary that the judge is making these calls. And having read the whole thing, I mean, just the excerpts that I quickly got to before we came to air, it seemed like he was mostly fair. He tried to give Russell some points. He didn't say like, oh, that was a good point. But he said the defense raised this issue about this testimonial. And then the prosecution tried to rehabilitate that witness with the following. And he went through one after the other. And honestly, it was pretty well done. I mean, maybe the jury will find this helpful. I don't know. But he went over each individual, not each, but most of the individual women's claims, whether they said that they consented, whether they didn't. And then he gave the case to the jury. And they have been released now. They're no longer in court because they went back home for the day. And they will be back tomorrow to start deliberating Russell's fate. Again, this is a really disturbing trial because all of these events happened 20 years ago. And how is any man supposed to reconstruct what they did 20 years ago? I mean, truly, if he said 20 years ago, my God. I mean, that's 2006. So we would have been in November of 2006. I know that I was covering the midterms for Fox News. That's about all I could tell you. I I know where I was in my personal life. I would meet Doug in July of that year. But that's about it. Honestly, like, can you imagine having to go back and pick a specific date? And especially if you're Russell Brand and you're, like, sleeping with hundreds of women, like, and you have to remember the one interlude. It's an impossibility. But if you had to do it for, you know, maybe a year ago, different story. So it's just, he's been placed in an impossible situation. I'm sure he's extremely stressed out. My prayers are with him. And my prayers are with the women to the extent they've been telling the truth and genuinely feel that there was no consent given. This whole thing, though, has, I'm just going to say it, witch hunt written all over it. It does. They didn't say anything about him until his politics changed. They saw the documentary, which was so one-sided and unfair. Fingers crossed. Fingers crossed this comes out the right way. Okay. In a few minutes, folks, we are going to join live our YouTube members-only audience. And we're going to get to know each other a little bit over there. We'll do some Q&A. You can join me over there on YouTube.com slash Megyn Kelly. Go right now. If you haven't joined our members-only, you can do that. Click subscribe. And tonight we're live at 7 p.m. covering everything you need to know. Thanks for listening to The Megyn Kelly Show. No BS, no agenda, and no fear. you