The KARE Series on Ayurveda: Food and Nutrition

Garden and the Moon is a knowledge center bringing together teachings and insights, experiences and stories, people and beings. Now that we understand what Ayurveda is, now that we know that we have doxas in our body, the elements, and that we have to balance them, where is the food, clay, its role? And what about nutrition according to Ayurveda, because again, to go back to what carries your center, it's very much dedicated on Ayurveda, Ayurveda, nutrition and meditation. So even while it's its own entity as part of your healing modalities, we are born out of nature and we go back to nature. So I guess that plays the most important role. We should be very careful of what we are putting in our mouth and what we are putting in our mind. Basically this is the root cause of all the diseases. Now, food according to Ayurveda, it comes under the 3 pillars of a healthy person, Aharo, the food which is as natural, which is closely related to nature, will make you healthy. And the food which is more processed, will have more additives and preservatives, will not make you healthy. This is the first tool. Ayurveda does not discriminate food to be good or bad. It emphasizes various factors that influence food, such as the biological properties, the origin, the environmental factors, seasons, what season you are eating, what food. You should eat seasonal. You should eat geographical in your topography, what is available. If sitting here, I will eat kiwis from New Zealand. They are not going to do any good too. Many Indian people have started making their food in olive oil, but olives are not native to India. We should eat food which grows in our vicinity, in the geographical area where we did. It's like eating coconut oil in America is not a good idea. Yeah, if coconuts don't grow there, then it is not a good idea, but cows ghee, according to Ayurveda, cows ghee is the best cooking medium because we find cows everywhere and we find cows milk everywhere. Ayurveda has also set a rule for some guidelines for eating food, for instance, that you should always eat at a favorable place, should not eat where it is derpy. Your senses should be happy when you are sitting to eat. You should be feeling hungry from within. You should eat with concentration. You should not talk or chat or gossip when you are having food because all kinds of emotions play a vital role in the digestion of food. You should always eat with moderation, it should not be too much, it should not be too less. And this quantity, ladies from person to person, maybe once a party or one Indian bread is good for me, but it is less for you and it is too much for funerals. Each of us, we know our, we should know how much we can eat and digest properly. We should eat our meals at the right time and we should try and stick to a same timeline every day. We should not confuse our digestive juices. The food should not be too hot, it should not be too cold. And there is a right sequence of eating your food. The food should have all the six tastes, sweet, sour, salty, spicy, bitter and astringent. Now why we eat the sweets first according to Ayurveda is because sweets are the heaviest of all taste. So we eat the sweets first so they get digested properly. Otherwise, we eat our food and very conveniently we go for the bowl of dessert. And by that time, the digestive fire is already sluggish because it is digesting the food that we have eaten before. So by all means we should have the sweets first and yes, it is mandatory and important to have your sweets because it nourishes the earth element of your body. The food should have all the six tastes. So like, let's say if you like chocolate, how should you eat chocolate? You can have chocolate before you start a meal and if it is a sugar, you want like a good quality alternative. So again, you want where possible, clean ingredients because that's what Ayurveda is saying as close to nature as possible. God, it's okay. And then there are a set of guidelines for what kind of food should they eat, what kind of food and for kappa. But as a thumb rule, we should always cook our food and eat. We should not over cook, but we should never eat raw food according to Ayurveda because when the food is cooked beforehand, it is easy for the digestive fire to digest it. So it's so interesting that there has been so many diets out there, even like raw food diets that would say that, you know, if you eat raw food, it actually activates like all the vitamins and like you process the vitamins like in a better way. So Ayurveda would say actually it's the opposite or what's the Ayurveda perspective on the raw food diets? Yeah. Ayurveda does not very much agree with the raw food diet because it weakens the digestive fire. So we should always cook or at least serve right the food that we are eating. If the food has some agni sanskara, that is, if it is at given heat in some form or the other, then the food becomes lighter for digestion. Mmm. God, it's. And so let's go back to your family and you have, you know, two daughters and your husband like, how do you make food for your family knowing that you're each probably have different body constitution and dosha? So basically when we make food, I try and make food which is try dosha, even at care, we try and make food which is which goes for all the body constitutions regarding for there are few things that we use essentially first cows ghee for tempering the food or as a cooking medium. Second, no refined sugar, we use rock salt and rock sugar for the preparations. Thirdly, there are few things which are heavy for digestion. Like potatoes. So potatoes ideally in an Indian family and I come from the north of India. So it is at least every day, at least alternate day if not every day, potatoes are being served. But in order to iron with our potatoes are very heavy to digest. So potatoes should be very less tomatoes, they were introduced in India by the Portuguese tomatoes are native to India, but they increase the pitta element. So we don't realize either we use tomato sauce or we use a gravy of tomato for our vegetables and cooking some food, pasta and all. So that is wrong, I would say moderation is good in everything, it teaches moderation. So if you are doing anything which over doing anything is wrong. Also certain foods like tomatoes and plants are neurotoxicity, so again you can eat them as they are vegetable but just in moderation. And some people are most susceptible to it than others. Okay. And the beautiful part of Ayurveda is the use of spices. When we add spice to a food, you know turmeric, cumin, caraway, then the food becomes adaptable for all kind of prakritis because the food which is heavy for digestion becomes little lighter. For instance raw rice is heavy and cooked right become light. And when you are cooking rice with two gloves and little bit of heat, it becomes even more lighter for digestion. Got it. So it's almost creating an enemy of exactly foods. So right now again, because of your all your experience, meeting so many people from all over the world, like what do you think makes people so sick, you know, in their gut? Like I feel like the more I talk to people here, like everyone has a gut issue, like everyone has IBS, irritable, power syndrome, everyone is constipated or having diarrhea, like I feel like the gut is a very sensitive topic for people from all over the world. Why is that do you think it's because of the food we're eating, do you think it is definitely because of the food we eat and what we are thinking. And yes, the food we eat nowadays, we use a lot of preservatives. The food is processed. So all these factors play a vital role in creating the disease process or aggravating the dosa in the body. Do you think it's also because we don't cook as much anymore? Yes. According to Ayurveda, you should cook food and you should have it within six hours for it to very beautifully absorb in your body and give you all the nourishment that it requires. And you mention, you know, like not necessarily like talking too much, like do you in Ayurveda do they say like it's better to eat alone or to better to eating groups? Ayurveda, we can eat in groups, but we have, it is like a ritual. Like you pray in the church, maybe you are in a group but you are one with the God. Likewise, you should eat your food, talking to one another, not having emotions like jealousy or anger or greed. I mean, the one thing that I've noticed lately with all of us, which probably wasn't happening when we were children, now a lot of people just eat their meals in front of the TV or in front of your iPad or while working and whatever emotion is on that screen. So let's say you get a work email and you know, you're upset reading it. All that emotion is also going into your body with the food. There is maybe when we were growing up, you were sitting around the table. And while you were eating, you weren't distracted by televisions or books or games or your laptop. I see that's one big difference now. Defenders the lifestyle. Definitely. And going back to your own example of like having lived in America and not being back in India, like how do you feel? How is your system feeling? Do you feel a difference in your digestion? So I will say this through my experience, because you know, it was a little late for me not having this awareness through life, but my daughter, she's three and a half. So from the day that she's born, I have kept her food to the Ayurvedic principles. So she only eats single ingredient foods. She's never had a milkshake because that, according to Ayurveda, is Viruddha Har, mixing your fruits with milk. So fruits are best eaten on an empty stomach, preferably first thing in the morning. So all of those things that I didn't know better when I was growing up or even through life, I've made sure that I've been able to give to my daughter and she's thriving with that. And what about for yourself, like when did you find it? When did you find you in it in your own system? So for myself, I'll be honest. If you want to sell. I hope. I'm still fine tuning. So what I've realized through my own experience is when we first moved back to India, Italy, which is made of rice, it's a popular South Indian dish known to be very healthy. You eat it with like lentils. I was eating a lot of that, but I got such a severe acidity, but that's because I'm pitta. And my husband would eat the same thing every day and he was fine, but he is like bata kafa. So I think a big part for me now is this realization that oftentimes we just compare our journey with someone else's saying, hey, if this person is okay with it, it should be okay for me. But having this awareness, and a lot of it, I've learned through our care doctors to doctor really that, hey, actually, this is going to aggravate your pitta. It was hot when we arrived in India. So again, the weather has played a role, the food has played a role. And ever since I had that awareness, I've cut out fermented foods, knock on wood. I haven't had that issue at all. The other thing I see often is people eating cucumbers, but for people with high pitta, it can actually aggravate your pitta, it can give you acidity. And ever since I've told so many of my friends, they've stopped doing it. It's a small change. They would eat it every day because they're like, you know, it's a water content is high. It's a great vegetable to eat. They've not had acidity. And I think that's the power of Ayurveda. It's small changes, understanding of your body can have a big impact. Yes. And again, that personalization that we're all different and we have each like different body constitution. Like for example, you know, the idea that salads are so healthy and good for you. And for someone like me, for example, I cannot digest so much food, you know? Exactly. Because you are water. You are more of care. Yes. And you're putting raw salads in your food. So obviously, you'll have more glutinous. Exactly. So that definitely is like the big part of Ayurveda. So if you had to make like a list of like the five things, you know, you should really never have in your diet or like principles, you know, like again, I what that's what I love about Ayurveda. There's nothing like there's no rules about this is wrong or but there are difficult principles that are really helpful. What would those be? So you mentioned like no refined sugar, for example. Yes. But with that also, as Poonam rightly said, mentions incompatible food combinations. Right. So there are a few food combinations which should never be taken. For example, because they can lead to digestive issues, toxicity and even diseases, few examples are milk and fish, milk should not be combined with fish, milk should never be combined with sour fruits. Now we see so many people drink milk shakes. Yeah. You know, which is very wrong. Only one fruit, which is allowed to have with milk according to Ayurveda is mango. And that too, when mango is sweet, yogurt and honey should never be had together. Even ghee and honey in equal proportion are incompatible. So you never think about yogurt and honey because in Greece, they always have yogurt, honey and water. Oh. No, because yogurt is cooling and honey is heating in potency, this hot in potency. So this combination leads to digestive issues and even skin ailments. Again, beans should not be mixed with anything that is dairy. Nightshades also again should not be eaten with the dairy products. We should not have cold and hot food together. Now living all these years, we know what is cold in potency, what is hot in potency. We should never combine them because the digestive kind of gets confused. So I think right now, we all do it without this awareness. But we're eating hot foods. So maybe you go to a restaurant, but then you are chasing it up with a cold drink. Whether it's a soda or something, it's cold and the food joy eating is hot. And basically, Emily, how we need our system from inside, it should be clean, right? Now just imagine you have ghee or you have any kind of oil. And on top of it, you drink cold water. What will happen? It will stick to the lining, the ghee and the oil, which is there. Or you just imagine a vessel in which first you put some ghee, take it out and then put some water. The cold water. Yeah. So the ghee will stick to the boundaries of the vessel. But if you put hot water, the ghee will melt, it will come with the hot air. And then you can just throw it out of the vessel and nothing will get stuck. So likewise, it is our body. So we should always have warm water according to Ayurveda. And how do you consume honey in Ayurveda? Honey can be had by itself. Honey can be had with some medicines, some herbal medicines because honey acts as a catalyst. When we give medicine with honey, the absorption is even at a faster rate. So honey is very good to have, but you should not mix it with equal parts of ghee. And honey should never be heated. This is also a concept like many people take in early morning for detox or weight loss. They take hot water with honey. Honey can be compared to a poison if it is added to something which is hot. Or if honey is heated directly on flame. So what about like honey and milk together? If it is cold milk, normal room temperature milk, then you can add honey in it. I won't recommend Ayurveda does not recommend honey to be added to anything that is hot. Even hot milk. So basically honey, it's like a spoon, maybe when you have your herbal medicine. Yes. That's it. Okay. So it's pure medicine. Yes. Honey by itself is also a medicine. You can have one teaspoon of honey every day or you can have it with normal temperature water. Is it good for all the dosa? It is good for all the dosa. I'm just asking because honey is so universal, right? Yes. And it is what it was. The world you find honey. Yeah. You find milk. Regarding the gut as we were talking, that in digestion, indigestion is the root cause of all complaints, right, of all the diseases. Now why is that my gut, we are eating the same food, but it is reacting differently to you and differently to me. Right. So there are many reasons for it. First is our prakruti, our body constitution, how we react to different kind of food. And second, how we've living life all these years. For instance, a person who's had a lot of antibiotics, right? We all know that we have gut microbial. They are a combination of some healthy bacterias and some pathogens, which are unhealthy bacteria. So very we take antibiotic until the starting of 20th century. It was the line of treatment for Western medicine doctor was antibiotic. It is a war strategy giving antibiotics so that all the biopics, all the organics, microorganisms are there in your system, they are dead. But what did that do? Even the healthy bacteria were out of the body, they were out of the gut. And what Ayurveda does is Ayurveda gives you herbal medicines and it supports the healthy bacteria, so that the healthy bacteria make sure that the pathogens are out of the body. It increases the immunity of the body. So it gives the tools to the body itself to fight. Now we have seen, you must have noticed that your grandmother was not maybe allergic to anything. But now as you come down the line, more and more people are becoming more and more allergic. Again, antibiotic has to play a vital role in this because when the normal floor of the gut, the microbiome of the gut was washed out of the body, then maybe some flow of, for instance, which digested wheat in me, it never developed. So initially I was digesting wheat, but now I cannot digest wheat. We have so many patients who could digest a typical kind of foods with 3 years back, but now they are not digests. Every time we ask them, did you have some infection or were you admitted to the hospital? So the answer is yes, no doubt antibiotics are very much required in emergency. But people just use them left and right also. And it is sad to say that even in India. So doctor only besides antibiotics, what else can have an impact on like the good gut bacteria? There are few things which we can add. Besides antibiotics, the role of preservatives, the role of additives, colors that are put in the food, they affect our gut bacteria, our mental, our emotions, mental state also affects our gut bacteria. Do you think that they took CCD outside or our pollution or things like that could affect or no? The pollution affects the food that we are eating. And when we introduce that food to our inner system, it affects our body. And the water. And there is a dimension of water, yes, yes. So we should always have warm water, ideally air with us is that water should be boiled and then when it becomes lukewarm, you should have that. Because then it makes sure that although bad organisms which are there in the water, if any, they are destroyed. And what do you think about plastic because you know right now there's this big thing about plastic being very toxic. And actually, I'm very pleased and surprised that in India, like you guys are not using so much plastic anymore. You know, like you go to a grocery store, like, it's not like you have plastic bags everywhere, like most countries still have them fortunately. Do you feel also like that could be toxic? It's definitely toxic and the good thing in India is because of, I mean, just because of the way the country was structured, it was not a country of abundance. And the cooking always took place with stainless steel or aluminum. So this use of plastic is a newer concept. But living in America, one of my brother-in-laws, he is a PhD in chemistry and he also worked for the FDA and he would tell us, you know, some of these plastic containers, everyone I knew over there would, you know, pack a lunch or they would freeze it and then they would put it in the microwave. It was very common right at work. We've all done it. And he would say that the quality of the plastic so bad that extreme heating and extreme cooling is what helps the plastic to lead into your food. So that's one tip, like never freeze your meals or put it, yeah, or put a container in the microwave. If you want to do that, you need to use glass containers, solid glass containers because that'll ensure the plastics don't leech into your food. The other thing that I have changed about my life, it's very popular in India and other developing countries, bottled water, mineral water, like we call it. But again, those are plastic bottles, they're left out in the sun for like hours and days at a time. Then it again, you know, cools down. And this is something which I've learnt from the West. People always have their own bottle and they fill up with filtered water. So that is a practice I now carry with me, now we stick my own bottle, fill it with filtered water. Yeah, it's so much easier. And so when, you know, we talk about the gut health and, you know, like all those things that do you, do you think that it's easy for people to hear from it? Is it, you know, like, let's say you've had like all these instances of, you know, the entire biophilic and your system is really weakened, like your digestive fire is really weakened. Like, do you feel like it's something that's curable? If so, how, how can someone, you know, almost like kick start their, their gut health again? Yeah. So Ayurveda has a very positive mindset. He never says that I need to be sure of it. Ayurveda tries to take care of each and every condition and each of each and every symptom. Now yes, gut is the first thing to be affected and gut should be the first thing to be treated. Also, the rate at which the person can see improvement in his or her health depends on how chronic the problem is. If the problem is very recent, then it can be, the root cause can be dealt and it can be taken out of the system very sooner. If the problem is chronic, it takes, it does take some time. But yes, Ayurveda, we have seen here at care that with the IBS, with all kind of other digestive problems with acidity, as high as a person is vomiting three to four times everyday, all these symptoms are very much reduced and the person is feeling better. Also Ayurveda also introduces Panchakarma therapies. So in this Panchakarma therapies, our main aim is to get rid of the infected gut microbiome or infected pathogens that are there in the body and to increase the rainforest of healthy microbiome treatments like enemas, they help a lot for all digestive complaints because they instantly increase the healthy bacteria in the system. So interesting. And also, you mentioned something very important about the mental health and how we digest our emotions as well. Do you also feel like, because you've been working here for 20 years, so you see the evolution of the pathologies, do you think there's more issues with the gut because people are need a bit more like, you know, uncertain about the future because there are so many changes and things around, you know, like, what's your idea about, you know, the mind and the guts, how does it translate for you? Yeah, mind and gut are very much connected. Recently, in Western medicine, they found out the blood-brain excess, which was already there since 5,000 years, according to Ayurveda and that is why a person is healthy only when his mind is also happy and he's physically. The solar plexus is also the seat of all emotion. So when you feel anxiety, like what is butterflies in your stomach, it's actually a physical reaction that you feel in your body. So when you have anxiety, when you have, and that's really what's happening to us, right? It's so much happening in the world, we're looking at the news, it's uncertain and you can't help yourself, your heart is racing, you are a little disturbed and you have butterflies in your stomach, some more than others because it's how we process the world. So I think emotions definitely play a big role in your digestive health as well. The other thing I've noticed is, now I've been guilty of this behavior as well in the past. When you're stressed out, you're more likely to just to reach for comfort for maybe a pack of chips, maybe some chocolate and you stress eat even when you're not really hungry. But really, just because the signaling from your body has stopped, you're not able to think rationally. So I think all of it plays a role, but the first step is awareness. If you are aware, this is your pattern or this is what happens, you can then work on it. It's so true what you say, and I also feel like there is this notion also of the life force, right? The planner. I feel like, for example, when I'm at the airports or I'm in a plane, I feel like there's no life force, right? It's like a kind of robots, a kind of environment. And there, I feel like my whole way of being hungry is totally disrupting. I want to eat all the time. And if you are spending time in nature or with friends, you don't feel as hungry all the time. So it's so true what you say about the environment and heights, connects with your emotion and therefore like your digestion, yeah. So what are your favorite foods, guys? What are you eating at all these days? As the two are you already, you know, I have it at Queens. I have my foods. Good. It's good. I would say that I've been enjoying Indian foods like those of which is the Indian pancake, but I just eat the simple version which is made of rice and coconut and it's delicious with a little bit of spicy chutney on the side and those are made in ghee. I think that's what I've really been enjoying. But besides that, we just eat a lot of vegetables. And this is the difference that I found here and in my lifestyle in America. It was a lot of take out food and it was salads, but it was raw salad because that was easy to do. And even if I ate healthy, you know, quote unquote, it was from the grocery store, including boil legs. I know I've gotten such a hard time from friends, but buying boil legs from the store. But I said that they're fully peeled and they're organic. That's the life of the America. So that's the life and completely enjoying fresh home cook food and all the vegetables here. And so for people who can't do that, I would just say make little changes, like just focus on one ingredient foods. In certain ways, the West is very easy to get chopped, cleaned and organic vegetables. So you don't need to do that at home. So just starting there and making very simple recipes with a few herbs, steaming your veggies, soups, you know, really just focusing on one ingredient meals. Yeah. And can you describe for everyone, like the philosophy of the food I'd care, like how you're briefing your chefs here? You guys make like a, I know there's like very few line chains, like what are the principles of behind on the fruits here? Talking about the chefs, the most important thing that we teach them, or we tell them when we are training is they have to be happy when they cook food. The whites have to be positive when they are cooking the food. In fact, we have a cook downstairs who literally dances when he makes food. He enjoys that. And definitely the taste says it all, that people have it. Yeah. And there is importance. Yes. So in fact, going back to my childhood, when I was, when I was not in a good mood, my mom would say get out of my kitchen. I don't want negative vibes in the kitchen, because that is what the whole house eats. So this is very important here, yeah, like few house rules that we have. We have food in cows, even for cows, even for people who are lactose intolerant for your information can have g, because the lactose content goes out. And the people who are vegan, we give them food and sesame oil, the gingerly oil. The food is always freshly cooked, we don't store the food, we don't store, make and store the gravy. You know, we just cook fresh breakfast, lunch, it makes an excellent dinner, which is a luxury for sure. We use, we use local produce, which grows in and around the many, few fruits and vegetables grow on site also. And the food is cooked in cows key. The menu is curated fully on the principles of Ayurveda. And the focus is on this tried three dosha foods, which is pretty much compatible with any of the dosha as well, the pitha kafa. So we don't use any tomatoes and any potato that's there. And how do you, because again, I haven't experienced these like, I found like a lot of people have fear of the wrong food now. Like they're always like, oh, am I supposed to have this? So maybe I, it's too salty or I need, you know, like they have all those information. We are like constantly fed with about, you should do this and not do that. How can you reconcile people with food and nourishing themselves in a healthy way? So one thing that we provide is when we do the property analysis or tell you about your dosha, we also do diet consult with everyone. You know, our doctors take you through a chap that shows you, you know, what are the types of foods that you can eat in lenty? What are the types of food that you can eat in moderation? And what are the types of foods that might exacerbate any conditions you currently have? And a lot of times I've seen it's like that aha moment for people, because like I said with the cucumber, you think it's healthy and you've been eating it like there's no tomorrow. But that's something that's not good for you. Understanding, you know, their own food patterns, we go through their meals. So the doctors will go over, okay, what are you typically eaten a day? Because that will also help us identify, like Roli said, Dr. Roli said, no food is good of that. It's how well you digest it or how well you fermented foods. For example, now that is a staple in the south of India, as we eat a lot of idli and dosa, which is healthy in itself. But for me, the way I am in my life, last year was stressful. I find that gives me a lot of acidity. So no food is good or bad. It's a healthy food. And similarly, like for you, you actually said raw salads, really body, that's because you're already vata. So again, raw salad may be great, but if you don't have a condition, where it's going to bother you, if you already have a vata related imbalance, then it's going to be worse. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. So I think again, same thing with diet, because I was also one of those confused souls, tried every diet under the sun, just ask me whether it is GF or ketogenic or low cup. I think the first step is understanding you and what makes you thrive. And then you can start making small changes to your diet. What do you think about fasting, intermittent fasting, like a lot of people run to that these days? I think it's very good. If you check the science of it, and if you see, like today, even in every, I only say religion just, you know, to show what a universal concept it is, religion has some amount of fasting in bulk, because it's the only time that your body is getting a risk, rest from digestion to rest and repair yourself. So there's a lot of research now that shows, you know, narrowing your eating window is really going to help you no matter what. So I mean, unless you have some sort of medical condition or your pregnant, I mean, only in those cases, I think people should get the advice of a doctor, but otherwise at 16 hour window fasting is good for everyone. Like all those shares, you would say. For all those shares. Yeah. But again, we should listen to the rhythm of our body. If we are feeling hungry, we should eat. For instance, a pitta person will digest the food faster, because he has more digestive vibes, stronger. So he will feel more hungry. Then the pitta person should have food at that time. If he's not having, then it leads to acidity, the fire which is burning, the flames are coming up, right? So it leads to acidity and migraine. So we should listen to our body. Every individual is unique. This is what Ayurveda says. And I know you guys have created a cooking book, like a cookbook. Is there information about what each doshaar could eat or would be better suited to eat? Or where could people find information about that? About like, okay, I'm found out that I'm a vata person, what food should I eat? Yeah. It actually explains about each and every plurty and what kind of food they should be having. In fact, in our cooking book also, we have made sure that we have listed down the tri-doshit recipes, so that it goes for everyone in the family. Great. So I share the book on the websites. Yes, please. Yes. Please finish reading. Good. Anything else on food and get house? About the best thing that is said in Ayurveda is buttermilk. Oh, interesting. Yeah. So buttermilk. So buttermilk is, when we take out butter from the curdled milk, we are taking the process of that, we get a liquid white substance, which is called as buttermilk. It is very light for digestion and it pacifies all the three doshaar, vata, pitta and kafa. And it is the best gift anybody can give to himself or herself when they're having their lunch. You should always eat their lunch, finish their lunch with something stringent. Buttermilk is that stringent thing. And you could do that throughout all season, even when it's cold outside. You can have buttermilk, but it is very cold. It is knowing that time it is ideal not to have it. Otherwise, you can have it throughout the year, but only after your lunch. You should finish your lunch with buttermilk, never for dinner, curd or buttermilk should not be at for dinner. So doctor, only how would one make buttermilk? Can you walk us through? It's just one part yogurt with eight parts water, easiest way to make buttermilk is you take one part of yogurt and mix it with six to eight parts of water, turn it properly and then you can add some spices, some rock salt, some cumin seed powder to enhance the taste of it and you can have it. And when do you have yogurt? According to Ayurveda, I'm sorry to say, but yogurt blocks the channels of the body. An as such, milk and milk product should never be combined with fruits. Nowadays, we get many fruity yogurt out there in the market, which are wrong, which one should not have. If at all you want to have yogurt, you can have it in the afternoon, in summers. Okay, so enough, because you know, like in places like Turkey, for example, they would have lunch and they would have like yogurt dish, you know, may say, like they eat so much yogurt there, as part of like savory, these would not be so easy to digest. So one thing I want to say is that again, every geography is different. The climate is different. So maybe they need cooling foods because maybe their diet consists of a lot more meat, a lot more tomatoes, I know they eat a lot tomatoes, so it could be cooling in that effect. So I don't think from that perspective, we could blanket, say that, you know, you shouldn't because every region, if you're eating the regional food and what's available, then within that itself, there will be certain things that will neutralize. So India, for example, we eat a lot of mangoes. So therefore, you know, mango with milk is okay because it provides cooling, whereas mango is eating food. So I think, yeah, that's something that we wouldn't really be able to comment on. Okay. Okay. Looking at the awareness of the people, especially most ever after the COVID has stuck us. So here's definitely Ayurveda, will reach each and every house and just imagine how beautiful the life would be when we know that what is the proof of other person and we deal accordingly with that person. There will be no enemy, no fight and when we know what is the proof of the food that we are eating and how it is shooting us and not shooting us. So life will be very simpler and Ayurveda basically connects you with the nature. So my father was a doctor, Western medicine and then he got into Ayurveda and care has been running for 25 years. But the one thing he used to say is I want to shout this out from the rooftops, that, you know, there is an easier, horrible, you know, natural remedy to your life. You know, like Roli mentioned, Ayurveda is something that helps, that helps a healthy person remain healthy. Whereas, you know, dad used to always say in Western medicine, you had to go for your annual checkups, thereby the message being is at some point or the other, something's going to be wrong with you. So I think this empowering tool, this awareness of self, that's something we want to scream from the rooftops and see how each person can be helped. A diet, nutrition and care is overseen by my mother Raghinin Kalmani. So she takes a lot of effort to work with, you know, the cooks, you know, the people who are supplying the vegetables, all of it to make sure that it's local, it's in season and it's cooked every single day as for the Ayurveda principles. Yeah, that is very true. And somehow in the food, I can feel the feminine presence of your mother actually. Yes. So that love and that, you know, that world, that, that prana, that you feel and the food is all her effort. Wow. Yeah, hierarchy, we all are hard to experience this, yeah, absolutely. I really hope care is going to have many kids around the world because it is such a powerful soul place. Wow. Well, where do wonderful way to end this first session, yeah, that's, that's so powerful. Thank you so much to both of you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.