‘The Italian Job’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan

The Rewatchables is brought to you by the Ringer Podcast Network where you can find Higher Learning Absolutely Midnight Boys with Van Lathan You can find The Watch You can also find Ringer Tailgate with Van Lathan Of course There you go All the tailgaters they raise a rule for them right there We're talking about We're talking about college football on my podcast a little bit We just did Middle Week Yeah We taped something for that I couldn't find a movie called The Half Italian Job so we're doing The Full Italian Job The Italian Job is next This episode is brought to you by Angry Orchard Hard Cider Halloween's just better with a scary movie and something good to drink Angry Orchard's limited edition glow-in-the-dark thriller variety pack is the perfect companion It even includes a mystery flavor can featuring the iconic ghost face from Scream Don't get angry Get Orchard This Halloween Find Angry Orchard in a store near you or visit angryorchard.com Angry Orchard Cider Company LLC angryorchard.com Please drink responsibly Angry Orchard is a hard cider with other natural flavors This episode of The Rewatchables is presented by the movie Mutiny Only in theaters August 21st Our guy Jason Statham stars in Mutiny the new action thriller from the director of Plane I like that movie When an international conspiracy turns deadly that always happens Statham goes off the grid on a one-man mission I love one-man missions to take down those responsible and if you're a fan of The Beekeeper The Meg or The Expendables guilty This is exactly the kind of movie you want to see Statham in You've sold me One of the defining action stars of the last 25 years doing what he does best I agree with that Think Die Hard on a Boat That sounds great Mutiny Only in theaters August 21st Rated R for strong bloody violence in language There you go The Italian Job 2003 Mark Wahlberg Charlize Jason Statham Seth Green Most Def Ed Norton Yeah Who has taken a life of its own in this movie We're going to really save this We have a nice spot to talk about this And this movie's just a great hang And it's kind of everything I want in an hour and 50 minute movie Just a great time If I came to you in 2003 at the beginning of the year and I said Do you like Ocean's Eleven? And you're like Yeah And I was like Do you like Fast and the Furious? And you're like Yeah And I was like Yeah Yeah I was like What if we put the two together Yeah And had Mini Coopers racing all over Los Angeles You take that and this is what you get This is This is a delightful caper It's like the movie is the lesser version of Ocean's Eleven but the prestige version of the Fast and the Furious Yep Exactly And just incredibly watchable I saw it in the theaters like I think two or three times My man Stefan worked at City Place so we would go there You always drop lore like Bill's gonna know Stefan My man Stefan was buff Yeah my man Stefan man Stefan I went to high school with him and then he worked his way up to manager and we was just going crazy at City Place we saw the Italian job I'm doing my CR thinks who could have been Harrison Ford Luke Wilson Hotest take right now Wow Stefan I think this movie basically supercharged the Fast and Furious franchise I think from Fast 4 on They heard the footsteps They were like No Italian Job came out in 03 and I think as they were trying to figure out how to expand Fast 4 and beyond they were like just do like what they did in the Italian job and I think all the DNA from there leading to culminating in F. Gary Gray directing Shirley's and Statham are all in like Fast 8 or Fast 9 together but all that when you watch how this movie's set up the different locations we gotta get a job let's get the crew together hey have you met this person oh we have like the wisecracking person who's you know we have the computer internet person we have like the driver we have like the driver the crew we have some love interests we gotta go in these locations we have some crazy driving stunts we have a bad guy this is fast the fact that the movie ends up becoming about actually the personal relationships between which actually the whole Fast 4 these are our people by the end yeah by the end of it so why not more sequels what the fuck happened how did we not have the Spanish job and the Australian job it was gonna be the Brazilian job it was supposed to be the Brazilian job what a fucking wasted opportunity though Wahlberg's just making like he's just making three movies a year he couldn't have stuck in some sequels I mean Wahlberg arguably just goes on like he's like it can be called the Italian job it can be called you know whatever you want to call it but like I make these movies every 18 months anyway so it's like if you wanted to make it you could've but I thought it was watch going back to this it was such a great time capsule not only to like a certain era of digital technology a point in all of these people's careers where you're like oh man it's all out in front of you this is crazy yep and also a kind of Hollywood mid-table blockbuster that still cared enough about craft stuff where it was like no man that fucking speedboat is really gonna fly off the back of another boat yeah and crash into something you know what I mean like it's not all gonna be CGI there's not gonna be CGI explosions it's like real stunts real machines and the actors doing the stunts yeah there's a bunch of stuff in this movie where you go how'd they do that it's like that one in Venice with the two speedboats they're coming down different canals right and they have to turn and it's like Jesus Christ I wonder like was there a take where they just crashed into each other it's a cool ass movie everybody looks great everybody looks great everybody looks phenomenal like you got excited when you saw the poster oh it's Charlize and Mark and Mos Def it's like oh shit you're like I gotta see that I gotta see what they all put together Ed Norton gives this movie a seriousness that might have not existed we'll talk about it that may have not existed had he not been on there because you look at that guy and you go well this has to be kind of a movie that you take seriously that's the guy from Primal Fear that's the guy from Primal Fear that's the guy from whatever whatever he's done all this Ed Norton is the key person in this movie because of the weight that he brings where it's like oh this isn't just Fast 2 this is a movie that Ed Norton has decided to be in and as we'll go into later there's a reason why yeah it was inspired by the 1969 British film it's kind of an homage yeah I don't think I haven't seen that one I think it has the international globetrotting caper quality you got three world class cities Venice Los Angeles Philadelphia all featured you know and I think it had a little bit of that James Bond inventiveness of like taking things that maybe you hadn't seen done in that certain way like you know in a Bond movie they'll have like a mini helicopter and in this it's the mini Cooper but it's just like the idea of like what's something people haven't seen before when it comes to a car chase or when it comes to a heist also kind of an underrated LA movie 100% really good LA movie like if you're talking about they don't make them like this anymore they don't like when you're watching this movie can you imagine them trying to do this on Hollywood Boulevard now tough no way they'd probably destroy the water supply for the entire city if they did they shut down Hollywood Boulevard it was before we started working on Jimmy's show so I think because they filmed in 02 they shut it down for seven days right like nobody could go on Hollywood Boulevard 300 cars on Hollywood and Highland for a week yeah they would never be able to do that the movie is counting on you to buy into the fact that LA is a cool character in movies and movies used to do that by the way LA was much cooler in 2003 like they had made a concerted effort to try to rejuvenate downtown and Hollywood they were filming I think in the research SWAT Hollywood Homicide and this movie were all being filmed at the exact same time in downtown LA like they don't film fucking anything I also like the idea that the person who cast this movie Sheila Jaffe I think she was also the casting agent for Entourage and there's like an LA set kind of collection of actors and you know like Wahlberg and Norton are obviously on like the ascendancy in their careers here but had had Charlize Dunn Monster yet like no no no no that hasn't happened yet yeah but her serious turn wait a minute let's make sure about that but her serious turn same year it's the same year yeah but let me see when it came out I think she there's a Seth Green interview where he's like she was telling me about Monster right but I don't think it had come out yet it's after six months later her like ascendance to the top of the industry happens like just after this right I mean if we really want to dive into this with Charlize this is this is like one of those NBA seasons where you can't believe all the talent when we're talking about Scarlett's coming up now Angelina's at her peak you have Aniston and the Friends crew you have Charlize coming up out of nowhere I know what you want to say what's he want to say I'm going to say this is the white renaissance this is the white girls the white-a-sance it's the white-a-sance no Halle Halle just done Swordfish no I get no I'm not talking about when did Monsters Ball come out Monsters Ball's gotta be in this that right there is a legendary performance that's an 83 point game right there no one's put up those types of numbers since make me feel good make me feel good I was like yeah man make her feel good dog get to it come on Billy Bob make her feel good he did his thing though just make her feel good But yeah, but like, and you know what? I will say that if you look at the draft capital, of all of those young ladies that were. That's a good draft class because they all panned out for the most part. And if you watch season one, season two, Entourage, and a bunch of them are popping in on that one too because they would kind of dip into the world. Yeah, you're looking at Charlize. This is basically seven years here. Devil's Advocate, which we've done on the rewatchables, that was 97. Two Days in the Valley was 96. Astronaut's Wife was 99, which was bad. Yeah, that's a good one. That's depth, right? Reindeer Games, 2000. I'm always going to defend that movie. I love that movie. Yeah. She's in a bunch of stinkers like Bagger Vance, Man of Honor, Sweet November, 15 Minutes. It goes on and on. And it hadn't really happened for her yet. And I really think it was this, which made a ton of money. And then Monster, where it got rid of the credibility. And then she went up a level. But I think she was, you know, you had her stock for a few years. What did you have her come in for, for the pod? 2007. 17, 18 range. Was that Mad Max? I think it was Fast. Oh, okay. I don't remember because I blacked out for that. You weren't even there. Was it Atomic Blonde? Oh, maybe it was that. That was 2017. I left my body. I was levitating above myself. Yeah. But yeah, so this was kind of the end of that version of Shirley's, I think. And then Wahlberg, who gets cast because F. Gary Gray loves Boogie Nights. But it's funny watching him in this movie where it still feels a little Dirk Diggler. Like the hair kind of has like innocent. He's not really weathered Mark Wahlberg yet. He still seems young. Yeah. He's still figuring out how to carry a movie. He's had some hits and some misses. But this was a big one for him. He's trying something I don't think he ever tried again, which is to do the George Clooney Ocean's Eleven thing as being the understated cool main guy. Yeah. And after this, I don't think he really tries it again. He leans into the Mark Wahlberg-ness of almost every performance. He's in after this. Well, this movie has like a light touch that he doesn't usually do. Like he does it in comedies or whatever, but Contraband or like a bunch of the like the thriller action movies he makes, the ones he's made with Pete Berg, like they're kind of like the dude is very traumatized. Something very like bad has happened in his past that he's accounting for. With this, it's almost like Charlize takes a lot of that because it's the Donald Sutherland plot line. So he's almost just like, it's not about the gold. It's about getting, you know. He's the steady hand. It's a charisma role. Yeah. Right. Does Boogie Nights. Then he's in the big hit, Corruptor, Three Kings, The Yards, Perfect Storm, which we did. Yeah. Planet of the Apes, which was bad. Rockstar, which was terrible. And The Truth About Charlie. So it wasn't really happening. But then after this, Huckabee is invincible, departed, shooter, other guys, fighter. Like he goes up a level. All leading to Ted, which nobody saw in a million years that he would ever be in a movie like that. And was, I think, the most successful when he's done. But by the time he gets to Ted, to my point, he officially knows about the Mark Wahlberg joke and who he is. And he's playing into it. He's a high A-lister by the time we get to the 2010s. Boy, God damn it, do I not ride for shooter. Not only do I think that there's nothing wrong with shooter. I know that my taste is shit. I think shooter is a legit banger. Did we do shooter? We did. I fucking love shooter. Oh. We did shooter. What do you mean? Were you on it? I must have been. Bob Lee Swagger. Bob Lee fucking Swagger. Bob Lee Swagger, one last job. I must have been on shooter. It was you two and Shay. Right. That makes sense. Glover comes in. Yeah, Shay's perfect for that. Glover comes in and he wants- Evil Danny Glover. Evil Danny Glover. The best. Comes in, he wants to get Bob Lee Swagger's fucking attention. So he shows him his medal of honor. I like that type of shit, bro. Shooter was great. Shooter was great. He was great. Some Cape American. Mara. Hot. But yeah, so just like I say, Bob Lee Swagger goes and shooter and Max Owen, his dead spotter's girl. But it doesn't even feel bad. I'll fuck with it. It was a little like in Homicide when Brody's wife starts shacking up with Mike, which I just watched. And then Brody came home. It's like, hey. Homeland, not Homicide. Homeland. The homeland. Should we invite Mike over for dinner tonight? I don't think so. So you like Brody's wife and Homeland Van? Homeland, the show? I've never seen it. Really? What season are you on now? Blonde Spot. I stopped after two. Okay. I lost interest. Ed Norton. We could do it now. Do you want me to say what the categories would have been? Because this is going to be my flex. Yeah, do your flex now. Do your flex now. Do it now. My flex was going to be, I had a two-parter. I had a two-parter. I had a two-parter. I had a two-parter. I had a two-parter. I was going to give Ed Norton the Steven Seagal shitting on himself award for most unbelievable anecdote from the actual film shoot. I had that right there. Which was the Norton casting saga. I also was going to give Ed Norton a special reverse Peter North award for the least amount of effort put into the movie, aka the dribbler. For just basically his. For his vibe when he's standing around and getting his cable fixed in this movie. And he's like, I was in fucking primal fear, man. What are we doing here? And this is why we have to talk about this at the top. One of the reasons this movie is so rewatchable is how bizarre Ed Norton's performance is. And I forgot until doing the research, the whole story in the background. And then it all makes sense because he's basically Worm in Rounders, but on autopilot. Yes. It's like he went into the closet and he's like, I'll just bring out Worm. But I don't, my heart's not really in it. And he's got the same mustache, beard thing. He's a scumbag like Worm is, but just doesn't, it's a mail-in. But it's a fun mail-in, I gotta say. He worked on the movie, he said that he was nothing but professional. Oh, okay. But leading up to the film, he had signed a two movie deal with Paramount. No, three. It was Primal Fear and then two more. Okay. So basically it is Primal Fear. He becomes an Oscar nominated. The best young actor of his generation going up for all these different roles against Damon and Affleck and all these guys are jockeying for, you're going to be in The Rainmaker, but I'm going to be in. So he was 75K for the movie after Primal Fear and then 125K for the one after. Yes. And then as CR says, he ascends. And so he keeps doing these other movies for other studios and Paramount's like, you got, you fucking owe us some movies, man. And they had basically an agreement. He does Fight Club for Fox. With Fight Club. He comes to a head with Fight Club. And they're like, all right, what the fuck, dude? You owe us a movie. Well, Fox threatened. Fox said, well, if you don't figure this out with Paramount, then you can't fucking do Fight Club. So he's like, let me do Fight Club and I promise I'll do this next movie. But he asks. Paramount bumps him up to a million. And he asks Sherry Lansing. He's like, but please don't put me in a piece of shit. She promised him, yeah. And she's like, I will never make you do a movie against your will. So he wants Talented Mr. Ripley to cast Matt Damon. He wants Mission Impossible 3, no part for him. He wants them to produce 25th Hour. Nope. No thank you. Now the clock's ticking. Yeah. There's another movie that Paramount co-financed. And Ed Norton tried to be like, well, that's my movie for you guys. The score. The score, yeah. And they were like, no, we co-finance it. That's not our movie. And they keep trying to offer him stuff and trying to get him. They tried to put him in the core with Hilary Swank. He's like, no. And by this point. This is like. There's a whole crazy story. And by the end, he goes and gets Marty Singer. Who, if you've ever heard that name, is one of the true apex predators of this entire town and this industry. But something else happens at this point. That's who I should have hired when ESPN tried to fuck with me. Get Marty Singer. Talk to Marty Singer. Listen to me. Listen to me. My time at TMZ, that's not a shark you want to be in the show. You don't want that name coming into it. But also, at this same time, his asking price has gone up to $10 million per film. And Paramount's getting him at one. They have him locked in at a million dollars. So not only. Why is he doing a movie that creatively. He's not even getting paid that much for it. He's doing. He's taking a $9 million haircut to do the movie. Yeah. And Marty Singer is doing the. If you want the best possible performance and the best possible movie, you wouldn't want to force an actor of his caliber to perform against his will. Yes. And something that happens in this that almost never happens. They big dig Marty. Well, they got Patricia Glazer and they also were just like, we will sue you for breach. We will sue you. And it's not. Normally, people back off. Or it is basically dining out on Sherry Lansing promised me in a room that I wouldn't have to do a movie I didn't want to do. And you guys are now saying that's not the case. And it gets to the point where it's basically like, he does this so that he can make Fight Club and so that he doesn't get sued. But this is well after Fight Club. Yeah. I mean, I think what really happens is this has a really bad effect on his career. Like you go and you look at the movies he makes after a time job, he's on the opposite of a heater. From 03 on. This is his last really successful movie for a while. And he's really unhappy in The Hulk. Right? And makes a couple. And by the time we get to the 2010s, he's in Bourne Identity happily. Bourne Legacy. Bourne Legacy. Yeah. Yeah. Which he would have, you know, been snobby about. Interesting career. I've never. Did you read this story, Craig? Mm-hmm. So what happens if this happens now on the internet in 2026? This would be known immediately. This would be written about in real time as it's happening. Yeah, I mean, this. Like, Melanie's doing pods about this. Yeah, this just happens in a much different way. While Obsession was still in the theaters, there was a huge argument about who was participating in the profits for Obsession. Yeah. This would be in real-time document. Now, there is also a level of reporting being done about this and the quotes the lawyers are giving. What was it? It was New York Observer? Yeah, but there was also a nameless producer giving a quote that's like, because Norton goes around basically saying, I don't want to do an Italian job. It's a piece of shit. And he's like, if I had a guy who was bad-mouthing my movie like this, there's no fucking way I'd let him on the set. So everybody is kind of weighing in on it. So I watched this movie the first time before I read that story. And then I watched it last night knowing the story and knowing all the intricate details. And it was fascinating. So it is. And the worm thing is such a good pull. So they do feel like, this guy feels like if worm lost all reason for living. And he was just going through the motions. Because I'll tell you something about worm. When you watch that fucking movie, that is such a magnetic, sizzling performance. Every single fucking line delivered from worm. He's on fire. He is on fire. He believes it completely. He is completely like, so he's surrendered to his worldview. Every single, even when he gets his ass kicked, like he's still jumping off of the screen. And in this one, Norton looks almost pale. He uses a worm line at the end. When he says whatever, he says, whatever helps you sleep at night, sweetheart. That's right. It's literally one of worm's lines in Rounders. I think he's just like, fuck it. I'm just going to openly be worm. I wonder if anyone's ever asked him, did you just say, I can't believe I have to be in this movie. I'm just going to be worm. But by all accounts, the other actors were like, it's not like he refused to come out of his trailer or anything. It's just that he was like, you guys have me for a month. Let's do it. I'll try to. He did have a quote after, my real fans should give this a miss. Okay. I mean, I mean, look, it'd be funny if CR, we did a rewatch. It was like, CR just tweeted that out. Yeah. Italian job. My real fans should give this a miss. All the CR heads, take this one off. Yeah. But I'll say this, this goes back to, because you're right. This goes back. You're right. When they were talking about it, he said, they said that, hey, he had all these ideas with the character. He came in, he was totally engaged. The reality is, if an actor. Those ideas were used on Rounders. Yeah. An actor, an actor, an actor, an actor, an actor, an actor of his caliber. What if he's a poker player? If he's not totally locked in. Yeah. There's just no way over the course of an entire film for him to camouflage that. Well, when we did Domestic Disturbance, we talked about how Travolta was really engaged for about two thirds of the movie. Yes. And then the last 30 minutes, you could just see the life leaving his body. At any given point in Domestic Disturbance, every actor, except for the kid. Realizes. Yeah. We're out of here. And Ed Norton, I think the first 20 minutes and the first 20 minutes, the first 20 minutes of this movie are spectacular. And I think he's into it, but it feels like by the end. I mean, how can you have a bad time in Venice and the Alps? Right. Like, you just be like, this is pretty cool. Near the end, they're like, all right, Ed, you're meeting that helicopter. Just try to look evil. You're going to be facing Wobber. This is, the scene that to me really underscores this is the cable girl scene where she walks in there in uniform looking at the peak of Charlize that we've ever seen and he has to try to convince us that he's trying to hit. And it's just not coming off at all. It doesn't seem like he's really into it. She looks as beautiful in this movie as she's ever looked. We're dealing with her in her peak form. And he just, in the scene, I'm watching, I'm like. I mean, he does ask out his cable guy within one minute. He does, but it don't seem like he want to do it. It seemed like Paramount made him do it. Well, I think that, I'll make a defense for that, which is that that character doesn't, doesn't really want anything. Like, that's the problem is like when he gets the gold, he's like, I just bought everything that you guys wanted. He moved to Los Feliz. Yeah. He got the gold. Like, you didn't, he didn't get the gold and go to like Antigua or Barbados and stuff like that. Statham, he's handsome Rob in this movie. It hadn't really happened for him 100% yet. He'd done Lockstock, right? He'd bounced in some stuff. He was in Snatch. He was in Mean Machine. He was in Transporter. But it wasn't until Crank, I think, that he became a one-man franchise. I know why it hadn't happened yet. I'll talk about it later. He was still holding on to the hair. Oh, he hadn't shaved it off. He hadn't shaved it off yet. I'll talk about it a little bit later, but like, is this the first Statham movie we've ever done? Can't be. You guys ever done Lockstock on here? We didn't do Snatch? No. I don't think, this might be the first one. What is it? Are you a Statham beekeeper, working man? I've seen them all. Yeah. I really enjoy them. Yeah, it's like, I don't, it's weird that we haven't done one on Rewatchables, but he definitely has a specific, I remember like Vinnie Jones, they were really trying to make as like, be this guy, this tough English guy. And then Statham kind of took that from him. I'll say this about Jason Statham. We both know what we're here for. Yeah. Something bad happened, Statham will not fuck you up. He gives me what I need, I give him $10, you know, like. True. The beekeeper. Yeah. Claire Huxtable dies. Felice Rashad dies at the beginning of the movie. Like, we know you must fucking kill. He walks into a whole tech room, kills everybody, fucks everybody up, kicks them, looks great doing these, amazing. People have been doing it 60s, 70s, this was Charles Bronson for 10 years. Eastwood was on the high end of some of this stuff. We had, you know, Van Damme. We've had these guys, we need these guys. There's not a lot of Stathams anymore. No. Not a lot of people who could be like, this guy is just gonna get revenge on some people. Yeah, Alan Richen is basically like, the successor, but he mostly makes streaming stuff. I'll tell you, also, that the Statham-ness is incredibly bankable. Like, you put 30 or 40 million into the Statham-verse, you go and you withdraw 80, 90, 100 million dollars, 110, 100, every single time. People like him doing what the fuck he does. Shay, I think it was Shay had a funny tweet where he was like, they shouldn't even title Jason Statham movies. Should it just be called Statham 4, Statham 5? People go see it. Statham and then the year it comes out, Statham 26, yeah. Charlize, we talked about earlier at the end of her Smoke Show Worldwide tour, which lasted from 96 to 03 before she did Monster and moved into Serious Actress-dom. I got this email from Rich in Toronto. It was for the Rewatchables mailbag. And he started out, this one will be seconded by Craig. He just immediately wanted Craig's approval. And it was. Instead of sometimes dancing around the idea of an actor's appearance, just lean into it with a new category called the Mila Kunis and Forgetting Sarah Marshall Appearance Apex Mountain Award for is this the most attractive this person has ever been in a movie? And to keep it equitable, you could do the male equivalent too. Harrison Ford to Witness, as you talked about, depending on the thing. So I think this is a good one to break this out. Man, fuck all that equality shit. Look, this is one of the things, I'm sick of this dumbass shit. This is one of the things, This is one of the things, this is one of the things that I most have. Why are you pointing at Craig? Because it's the, it's, it's. Took the glasses off. I'll tell you what, this is the thing that I have most, most beef with your fucking generation about. Okay. Remember when, I never forgot this. Remember a long time ago, you talked about the fact that there were like just breasts in the movie for no reason. I think it was Trading Places. Trading Places, okay. Or maybe like A Lethal Weapon. No, it was Unnecessary Nudity. But there's no such thing as unnecessary nudity. All nudity is necessary. Hotness is a thing. Tell that to Will Gluck. Yeah, the Monica Barbaro director. What movie is that? One Night Only. One Night Only, yeah. I think that guy's just trying to drive up director's cut sales. By the way, that got passed around for three days. That was a great quote by him. I'll tell you something. And now we're waiting on the unrated edition. Swordfish. I went to see Swordfish. For Travolta. Shut up. I went to see Swordfish because Halle Berry was at her most powerful physical form in Swordfish. And for other reasons too. Right? I went to see Halle Berry, Topless, and Swordfish. That was a selling point of the movie. Heaven's Prisoner's Terry Hatcher was another one. Same shit. Jacko and I would see that together. I've told that story. I spilled popcorn right before the nude scene. He's still mad about it. You did an extra bun. We could get into it. But that to me is a completely. To see beautiful people on screen and to recognize that they're beautiful is a completely legitimate reason to go see the movie. This movie starts with her in bed wearing a t-shirt and the phone rings. And she wakes up and rolls over his dad. And it's just like, yeah. I don't disagree with you. We're off. And over the last three years of doing rewatchables, now in an 80s movie and there's not nudity, I'm like, what the fuck? This is just vision quest. That's just like what we're doing. I don't really understand this at all. Just wait until about last night. The one night only thing, it's honestly not even my. It was even the generation below me. Will Gluck was like, we test screened it and Gen Z doesn't want. Doesn't feel comfortable seeing nudity in a movie theater. Which is crazy to me. I get it. But why should we give a fuck? These are the same group of people who won't go to a bar and talk to each other and then leave and have sex. Why would we? We used to do that. And we had fun doing it. Why are we taking social cues and fucking advice and input from them? They're the ones complaining that they're lonely. Be lonely. Go out there. I'm just being for real. Be lonely. I'm not tripping at all. I think it's a major problem. I hope everybody gets over it. We wasn't going through that shit. Sure, yeah. We like nudity in movies. We like looking at hot people. Yeah. We like. There's nothing to it. to be ashamed of. You're a human fucking being. What the shit are we doing, bro? But we've talked about this on pods before about people were more used in the 80s and 90s to being in rooms with other people as nudity and sex was happening. Well, the only place you could see it. And now it is a private thing and when we're in public, like the invite, when it seemed like everybody was going to have sex. Yes. You could feel the theater I was in, I could feel the tension in the theater like, oh no, are we going to have sex scenes? But in a good way. Like in a way that was entertaining. I don't know. Oh, I think that tension helped the movie. No, I would say in the theater, people were like, is he going to go down on her? And it was like, that was like this. There was a palpable like tension in the movie. Am I tripping? Are we just freak nasty dogs? No. Because we used to all go to a movie theater together to like watch this. Is it weird? No. Now you got me rethinking it. No, I'm fucking, I changed my mind. No, you sounded like Vince Vaughn in Wedding Crashers. You're like needing you, wanting you, pushing up on you. No, I fucking mean it. It's okay. I mean it. Like you, you would go, the reason, why do you need a sex scene in a movie? Because people fuck in real life. They take their clothes off and they have sex. And if I go to the film, it is not to me, like it's part of the suspension of the reality that these two hot people had sex. Okay, what happens after? It's part of the movie. Well, not to turn into Sean, but I think this starts in the 70s with the awakening of a bunch of different people and movies being used to push the sexuality in Don't Look Now, Last Tango in Paris. They're trying to actually push the envelope and make people uncomfortable in the theater. Midnight Cowboy a little bit. And that just kept going and going through the 80s and 90s. And then there was the exploitative 80s era where it was, it is kind of like, Jamie Lee Curtis could have gotten through that scene without taking her top off. I'm not mad that she did. Yeah. But like, it's like, and that's the- It's a pretty important scene. I just don't want to derail the pod as much as I, but if you go back and watch that scene, I could argue that there's a narrative reason why the TV's was on screen. Yeah, I'm just saying, I'm just saying, in 2026, she probably would not have done that. But like, Lethal Weapon opening with the woman who's topless and she jumps off the hotel. She had a drug problem though. Yeah, she was, she was punching something. Right. Why don't you try to be- I'm not saying I dislike it. It was like, when I was going back and watching all these movies, I was like, man, this doesn't really happen now. Like, you wouldn't go to the theater and at the beginning of John Wick, there's a topless woman. It's just like, not what happens now. Wait till Craig sees about last night. They're going crazy in that bitch. I get it. In One Night Only, then the whole premise is like, this is one night a year we can have sex. You'd think you'd see nudity. So can I say something about the fact that there's no nudity in this movie? The fact that there's the- It's PG-13. It's PG-13. There is something really missing from this movie. And what's- Shut up. Two things. What's really, what's really missing from this movie is the chemistry that's supposed to exist between Mark Wahlberg and Charlotte. I have that later. I agree with you. I have that couple. And because they don't really- They seem like brother and sister. Yeah, they don't get into it. At the end, when they're on the gondola together, it seems very hollow and it doesn't ring true at all. They can't decide what they want to do because like, Donald Sutherland is a father figure to Mark Wahlberg. So I feel like they were like, well, that'd be weird then if he starts dating Charlize Theron and is into her. But then I felt like they needed a romantic end to the movie to make it feel satisfying. So it's tricky. The fact that she, Charlize, carries a lot of that character, but I don't know what that character is supposed to be. Is she a nerd? I think it's the reverse problem is that Charlie is the weakest link. Yeah. I think Wahlberg is just kind of like, I'm a guy standing here in a t-shirt and I say, like, I'm nice to everybody, but like, there's no juice to that character. No, he's just, it's a charisma only. He doesn't even seem that smart. He's like the guy who plans everything. But Charlie's like a damaged, I never had my father. Yeah. And now I don't. Now I crack safes, but for the government. I just had no handle on the character. It's not about money. But guess what? I didn't really care because it sang out Charlize for an hour and 50. F. Gary Gray was the director. Just quite an IMDB for this guy. Yeah. Can I give you a couple of them? Please. His first movie that he directed was Friday. He did The Italian Job. He did Straight Outta Compton. He did Fate of the Furious. He did Law-Abiding Citizen. It's basically, he did Be Cool. He did Negotiator. Just action. Very good at action. Yeah. Wide shot. Shit going down. Things blowing up. Really, really, really solid action director. Yeah. Also, during this time, something else was, it was really interesting. Something else really interesting was happening in Hollywood is that these career music video directors that you had always seen at the bottom of the credits. Marcus Nispel. Gary Gray. Yeah. Tim Story. Like, Benny Boom, Hyde Williams. All of these guys were getting their shot to be big time. Craig Robinson, I think. A lot of these guys were getting their, not Craig Robinson. What's the guy's name? Black guy that did whatever, did a bunch of music videos. Was he the first Craig Robinson? He might have been. Anyway, all of these guys were getting their opportunities in Hollywood. And it was interesting to see which ones of them were going to get a chance to make big, successful movies. Tim Story and F. Gary Gray were amongst the most successful guys to come out of that crop of people that were known as music video directors. Chris Robinson? Chris Robinson is who I'm talking about. Chris Robinson. How do you feel about the name F. Gary Gray as a director? I think it's cool. I think it's cool too. I like, I like. Did they call him Gary on set or did they do F? I think they called him Gary. They called him Gary. You think anybody calls him FGG like Joe House would if Joe House was on his set? FGG! Joe House called J. Kyle Mann JKM for some reason. I like that. An entire pod. Can we talk about the music videos that he did? Yeah. He did It Was a Good Day, Ice Cube. Like, he did like, this is one of the guys he did Natural Born Killers, Dr. Dre and Ice Cube, another, crazy one, Fantastic Voyage, Coolio, love that one. That's a great one. Did he do Pac, California Love? I don't think that he did. It's not listed on here. I gave you my Fantastic Voyage take last week. What is it? I think it's the most underrated hip hop song of the 90s. Doesn't get it. Do credit. Fantastic Voyage, Coolio, you fuck with me. Did you do this on mic? Did you say that? No, it was on text. I love the record. I love the video. But look, keep their heads ringing, Dr. Dre. I mean, I will say that was for a product. Doesn't get credit. Waterfalls, TLC, F. Gary Gray. Waterfalls, great video. He was pioneering. I don't know if you've seen on Spotify, a great platform. They have a lot of music videos now. If you click on the songs, you can watch music videos of the song. What do you like about Fantastic Voyage, Coolio video so much? And on the record too. What do you like about it? I just think the song's great and never gets discussed when people talk about the great songs from that specific era, the first half of the 90s. And hip hop and rap and all the great artists that we had and it's not mentioned. And I think it's overshadowed a little bit by Gangster's Paradise. I think it has. I think that's the first Coolio song. And I told you, I think his name really hurt him. So you really. I just think Coolio is a bad name for a rap. You were open for business during the East Coast, West Coast rap wars, huh? I was kind of more West Coast, to be honest. I didn't fuck with the West Coast at all. You didn't fuck with the West Coast at all? At all. I was all West Coast. Louisiana, we got to choose a side. I like Pac and the Dog Pound. Yeah. That was my crew. Fuck with Pac. That was my guy. You know that was my guy. He loves Pac. I do. I fuck with Pac. First year, when I left ESPN, the first year of this podcast, I had pictured me rolling as my opening thing for BS Pop. Yeah. Okay. Pictured me rolling and we did Friday Rolling was the Friday show and tried to pay homage. There you go. It's my guy. Source Awards, I was very upset. You sure? I didn't like how that played out that year. You didn't like how Okay, so I just felt like it was going to end badly after that. Oh, because it came to a head. Yeah. This wasn't going to go well. We just don't have moments like that anymore. I remember when that hit the streets. We was like, I can't believe that this was said. We don't have moments anymore. Now we just have somebody writing one of the biggest songs of all time and just destroying somebody else's career and then they play it in sporting events for the next two years. I mean, that is a big deal, but like having that happened Back in the day, everyone just died. That on stage was like breaking kayfabe a little bit. It was like, there was like this tension and everyone knew that this tension exists, but then all of a sudden at this thing where everybody is there, it comes to a head and you could watch it. It was, we just were a little bit more innocent. So when something like that happened, we weren't getting that stuff on social media every day. It was all we could talk about for a little while. Did I ever tell you the time Jeff Ross and I wrote for Jimmy for the AMAs? No. And Jimmy was scrambling around all these different locations during the show. So I was, I would go around with him to different things and we're coming around this, we're scrambling from being inside the theater to running out. Go around this stairway, we're running up the stairway and Suge Knight's at the top of the stairway and taken by surprise by us and was like scary Suge Knight for a split second and then realized that it was Jimmy. Two white guys were running up the stairs at him? Yeah, and then kind of realized it was Jimmy and softened. Oh. But for the split second, I saw scary Suge Knight. You saw balcony Suge Knight. Yeah. Hanging you off there. Vanilla ice. Vanilla bill. He's fucking big. Vanilla bill. Yeah. Oh, he's a big dude. Yeah, that's a part of it. Yeah. He's very intimidating. College football player. Yeah. You can feel it. Anyway, that's my Suge Knight story. Okay, cool. We were like, hey, Suge Knight. Jimmy's like, how are you? Mr. Knight. Did the Jimmy thing and then kind of diffused it. Right. Yeah, it was weird. Anyway, $60 million budget for a time choppy. $176.1 million. That's a lot of money for 03. Yeah. It's not bad. Is all that domestic? How much domestic? Ebert. I don't know. Ebert, three stars. Yeah, he was like, hell yeah. Slick caper movie. stupendous chase scenes a truly ingenious way to steal 35 million in gold bars well two hours of mindless escapism and then he wrote if I had seen it he saw it at con can con can yeah can if I had seen it instead of the can entry the brown bunny I would have wept with gratitude Ebert not a fan of the brown bunny this is the same year gigantic Vincent Gallop not a fan of it Roger Ebert yeah tough one anyway we'll take a break come back with most rewatchable scene this episode is brought to you by Viore alright let's talk about a category we appreciate clothes that stay in the rotation Viore earn that spot their core shirts are good for workouts travel day weekend whatever and the strato tech tee ridiculously soft it's the kind of gear you keep reaching for because it's comfortable while still looking put together get 20% off your first purchase at viore.com slash rewatchables and discover the versatility of Viore clothing exclusions apply visit the website for full 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movie Mutiny only in theaters August 21st starring Jason Statham stars in Mutiny the new action thriller from the director of Plane I like Plane me too when an international conspiracy turns deadly Statham goes off the grid on a one man mission yeah to take down yep those responsible let's go just call this Statham 9 yeah I'm there alright rewatchable scenes mention Charlie's talking to her dad I'm just throwing that in there is it the first scene of her being like hey dad where are you her having a phone call okay the safe heist speedboat chase everything just combine that together let's fucking go wow incredible incredible setting incredible use of gondola boats confusing but awesome like underwater robbery stuff I love that yeah just fantastic a little confusing but I love it but really fantastic has Venice ever not worked as a movie location no it's one of the most filmable places in the world it just people riding around on boats like their cars it's amazing the danger is there all the time it makes it more dangerous the light the water like yeah it's just incredible good Italians just get mad at you for no reason yeah hey one boat's moving slow the other boat's moving fast it's in the water ducking under the bridge what's gonna happen works seems great Sutherland I really like his toasts where he starts dispensing Donald Sutherland advice yeah I'll give you some he's only in this movie for 15 minutes here's all his wisdom from the movie fine stands for freaked out insecure neurotic and emotional trust everyone just don't trust the devil inside them the ones who steal to enrich their lives or the ones who steal to define their lives don't be the latter steal to enrich your life sending presents doesn't make you a good father find someone you want to spend the rest of your life with and hold on to her forever and he gets shot and he gets shot somebody this guy was Mr. Miyagi in waiting and they just got got fucking gunned down you know what the so they're criminals right but you know what the movie does in the short time that he's in the movie they make him a character worth missing you can tell that like everybody's life is gonna be great with Wahlberg I love you I love you kid emphasize that character enough so that his death is shocking yeah it is shocking you know what it reminds me of it reminds me of Mission Impossible you know how at the beginning of the movie John Boyd is in the film and then the team gets fucked up they do something really awesome in that movie which is they just take him out of the situation which when he comes back you're like oh my god it's very exciting but this one you believe that these people will coalesce around each other to get revenge for their master who's been killed good crew then we get the double cross so I guess that's three different scenes but I think this whole first 20 minutes the whole thing at the end it's like first 22 it's really good there's actually like basically five scenes in this movie yeah we're just kind of moving around it's like Venice Philly and three LA scenes Skinny Pete the Ukrainians yeah good double cross Evil Ed Norton seems like the only time he enjoyed being in the movie when you when you watched it the first time this time did you remember the double cross yeah I remember the double cross because you know Norton's the bad guy but I like when the when people are underwater in a scene like this and everybody the villains always make the same mistake where they fire bullets and they're like alright we got him let's go let's go celebrate I'll say I'm just staying another five minutes I'll say this is the worst one maybe ever yes this is the worst of all because he knows they have the scuba gear in the car also the water's freezing so if you if you stand there for a second they're all they're A going to run out of air but B hypothermia is going to sit in like they're cooked it's over there's no reaction right if the bullets or the hypothermia something's killing them right at some point you have to leave because there's been a lot of shooting and stuff like that and maybe the authorities are going to come but you're in a remote area it is on the border you're probably in a very hot spot yeah I like being in the Alps that was fun loved it beautiful next scene Charlize fixes Ed Norton's cable it's great I love it she's like oh I just flipped the switch it's working now right he's like cool you want to go to want to have dinner want to go to Wolfgang Puck yeah I like scenes like this where somebody has to pretend they have a normal job but they're way too attractive to have that job yeah I don't know I enjoyed the whole thing Norton kills the diamonds guy Charlize and Ed Norton have a date yep I liked him right up until the moment I shot him also this gives us a staple for one of these movies who you working with somebody comes out of the back yeah she's with us and then you should have seen how your daddy begged for his life I think Ed had a good time in this scene yes it's one of like there's three scenes where he tries in this movie and this is one maybe he knew he was going to get to sleep in his own bed that night yeah hit a bar on the way home it was good they were getting him out of there at 8pm I think everything in Italy he was pretty much dialed in a little bit yeah it's really at his house and the last chase scene it seems like he's like what the fuck am I doing what's happening here probably above our car chase we have the three cars beating the subway train is great we have the road blowing up right in front of basically the man theater we have the safe switch I like the thing where it's the three safes and they have to guess which safe it is or which truck it is we get an LA River chase which by the way it's a live and die in LA right behind you LA River chase also undefeated every single time Venice and Gondolas LA River I've never not enjoyed a chase in either one of those places Terminator 2 Terminator 2 live and die in LA and then some really high end kind of how the fuck did they do this why didn't this could have been to a really bad situation the helicopter stuff like the helicopter's fucking low yeah yeah yeah it feels like it's like a 50 foot ceiling in that last I don't know how they did that it seemed dangerous maybe that's why Ed Norton wasn't happy I don't think he was actually in the helicopter Steve gets caught would be the last one you're right no imagination what do you got for most watchable one addition is just the putting the team together and the backstories scene I love putting the team together and why is it called left ear why is it called handsome Rob why is it called Napster I got that one in the next category but the driving rain scene where we meet Skinny Pete love you like Skinny Pete love Skinny Pete what happened to Skinny Pete seen the other stuff I can't say yeah but most death is really good in that scene yeah we didn't talk a lot about most death but like at this particular point most death is ascending rapidly it was a big deal that he was in this movie yeah what was the Bruce Willis movie he was in something 12 blocks or something like that 12 blocks so he's in that then you know of course he's in he's in brown sugar and then he does the Michelle Gondry movie which is be kind rewind like he is legitimately one of the ones that people are going okay for like the next X amount of years most death is going to be one of the biggest stars in Hollywood how do you feel about that name choice most death yeah I love it you like it he goes by you know Yassin Bey now but like I love most death most death is a to me a staple creative of that era he also just like the black star record and the first most death solo solo records are both like flawless amazing worst name choice out of all the Name choices? Out of all the name choices for rappers? Yeah. Or hip-hop. There are some way worse rap names. Yeah, you're talking about. You think Mos Def is a bad name? I'm not saying him. I'm saying what's your least favorite. Oh, what's the worst one? Because you said Coolio earlier was terrible. Coolio's tough. It just sounds like a place you get ice cream. It's like, you want to go to Coolio's? They have Arn Sherbert's. Yeah, it's Coolio. I would say there's not to pick on him because the whole song is about picking on him. But Skilo, which was a little bit taller guy, it's like, we're never going to be. Skilo's not just a tough one. But now, to me, the worse they are, the better they end up being. The move is just to use your real name. Do you feel like Bubba Sparks could have been bigger if he wasn't named Bubba Sparks? See, the thing is, that's a good question. The thing is that because he was Bubba Sparks. That's why he was big in the first place. That kind of made us go, okay, this is a white guy, Bubba Sparks. He's Bubba, but he's hot. He's Bubba Sparks shit. Let's give him a chance. And then he did it. Do you think LL Cool J was a good name or no? At that point, it was a perfect name. Yeah, LL was like a crazy good name. It just became LL. Yeah, at that point, it was a perfect name. Yeah, but when you know what the acronym stands for, it gets worse. Ladies Love Cool James. Yeah, but back when he came out, that was cool. You know, Craig, go fuck yourself. I'm sorry. Ladies Love Cool James is not cool. We're not going to. Once again, your generation. You know what? You know what? Your generation, I don't like. I don't like. I don't love the ladies. The ladies don't love y'all. I mean, you're doing well. I'm calling it like it is. Ladies Love Cool James is lame. It's one of the best names ever. Ladies love them. Do ladies love LL Cool James? I hope the air conditioning never comes back on. Don't get litigated, rappers. Do you remind me? I got to turn the air conditioning up. All right, back to the pod. What did we pick for most rewatchable? Oh, so my most rewatchable is actually the opening, the Venice stuff. That's easily. It's easily the answer, yeah. It's one of those that's coming on and you want to bang it out. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I agree. If you're a fan of The Beekeeper, The Meg, or The Expendables, this is exactly the kind of movie you'd want to see Statham in. One of the defining action stars the last 25 years doing what he does best. Die hard on a boat. That's what they floated. Is Mutiny? Yeah. Mutiny, only in theaters August 21st, rated R for strong, bloody violence. I'm going. And language. And language. Don't need to sell the three of us. What is the most 2003 thing about this movie? It's a very, very specific experience. It's one of the best, easiest answers we've had. Of course. But obviously it's Lyle saying he invented Napster. Napster, yeah. But I also have a subcategory for this, which is this was the last moment where a hacker character could just say a lot of mumbo jumbo and the audience was like, sounds right. Where he's like, I have a Tektronic codex that's going to read the magnesium and you're like, okay. This guy sounds like a fucking genius, you know? Now we'd all be like, I fucking write about AI. I don't think that's how it works or whatever. But like back then, this was the one moment where you still had true geeks who were like, I lured over this tech stuff so that you guys don't have to worry about it. I have Lyle inventing Napster as one of the easiest answers. Yeah, it's easy. I don't even, by 2006, nobody's being angry that they invented Napster. Also just the fact that Sean Banning gets 40 seconds of screen time in this movie. I think actually the Napster thing was already long in the tooth by the time this came out. It was like the last year you couldn't even get it out. It was the last year. But they obviously in the movie, they're like, this dude is Zuckerberg. Like, this is Steve Jobs. This is going to be like, when people look back, they're going to be like, I can't believe the world's richest man is in this movie. And it's like, obviously not. It didn't happen, yeah. I have Hollywood Boulevard seeming like alive and great. Because it really was in 03. It was in great shape. You wanted to go there and now I don't think you do. Well, it had, when I first got out here, it wasn't 03, it was 06. But Hollywood Boulevard had been revitalized to where it was the hub of everything. They spent like a billion dollars revitalizing it. And that lasted because even when I was out here a little after that, Hollywood was still teeming with life on a Friday night with young people going to the club and all of that stuff. And it just ended It ended at COVID. Yeah, it just, it just, it just ended. And now it's kind of like I'm starting to think COVID wasn't great. I was always more of a sunset guy. Oh. You were more of a sunset guy. Yeah. What's your favorite sunset bar all time? Oh, that's a good question. The Den? Yeah, gone now. Gone, yeah. The Den was awesome. The Den was great. Where's Jumbo's? Jumbo's is out of the sky. When you want to have somebody to talk to, Jumbo's is awesome. Jumbo's is Jumbo's is on Hollywood, right? Yeah. Oh, it's on, but it's east. It's east. It's east, yeah. Very, very east. Like little Armenia. One more 2003 thing about this movie. Seth Green's like really important in it. Yeah. And it was right near the end. By three years later, he's on Entourage as East Foil. But I thought Seth Green was really good in this. The Floyd Gundally butter on my ass slowly pops in my mouth a word for something I just enjoy. What do you have, C.R.? Just any time the head of a crew is like, this is this guy's job. This is what this guy does. Why do they call him Handsome Rob? Because he's handsome. Yeah. It's like, it is one of the most repeatable pleasures in cinema is introducing a crew. An origin montage as I have done it. Just like all of these guys and how they got their start. Also, gold bars in movies. Just love movies where it's like gold bars I don't know whether they should be 10 times more expensive or 10 times less expensive. But Yevon does a good job explaining the criminal mindset about gold and like the untraceability of it and all that stuff. It's good. Also, the fried cable bit here. They do that in movies all the time where your cable's fried and then they go in undercover to like get a lay on you or like put debug your shit. I love that because that's actually how they bugged Paul Castellano. They actually did that in real life. The government like messed up his TV then sent people in to fix the TV then bugged his shit and that's where it comes from. My Floyd is I like in movies when they mess with the stoplights and the intersections. It's like, watch this. And then just everybody But for LA it's like very I mean, this is a very specific LA traffic movie that I think is actually fairly accurate in terms of like it's yachting and stuff like that. Like, it'll be like how hard it is to get from Highland over down to Union Station and everything and like it's very good. What's aged the best? One last job. For Sutherland it was a one last job. Yeah, for Sutherland it was. I like any time it's set in a movie. The LA River as an action location. I have early 2000s Mini Coopers. Which I don't feel like they make them best. I just I like that era of Mini Coopers. How small and kind of fast and they felt like they had some connection to James Bond movies and now I don't think that when I see them. I think that BMW had just redone their engines. Yeah. Back then. So that's why they were such hot shit. I'll be interested to see if you guys think that this is the Mini Cooper Apex Mountain or something else. Here's what's aged the best. All the cast members did their own driving. They all said Charlize was the best of all the drivers. I'm cooking. Doesn't need a husband. Yeah. Just one night stands and she's a better driver than you. She's just the fucking best. Most F was the worst driver because he was from New York City and didn't drive. So I had to actually learn how to drive. What do you got for what's aged best? Just real vehicles doing real chases in real places. Yeah. Dan? So a bunch of things. The smoking desk counter that looked different but it still exists. You still drive by to a bunch of people. Died from smoking. Like the price of a grenade launcher. So they. The economics of this movie will be discussed in depth. So they go there and they give them all this stuff and they go like I need a grenade launcher and it's $5,000. I was like you know a grenade launcher must be much more expensive. You probably can't get one for $5,000. So I went and looked. I actually typed that in the search which probably shouldn't have done. And not only are grenade launchers like lawful but you can get one for like two grand. You can get a grenade launcher. A lawful grenade launcher you have to be ATF registered but you can get a grenade launcher for two grand. What possible use could you have for a grenade launcher? I mean I don't know. That makes me nervous. Like do Miami Vice Bruce Willis is buying those grenades you could shoot at the planes? And those were like $80,000. Is the price dropped? Yeah. Like the money that gets spent versus the money that's coming in will be a discussion. So two more. Is that your flex? No. I just wanted to get into it. That's more of a picking net. So two more things. One, both Korean driving ranges and. Yes. Have aged the best. K-Town. And terrifying Samoan dudes which is a thing around L.A. You know, you go below the 10 and Samoan brothers down there are going crazy. And those dudes are honored in Den of Thieves. Yeah. Yeah. So they've aged the best. Yeah. So you know. I've been to that driving range a bunch. That's a cool place. And last thing, the shop owner in this actually predicts the financial crisis. He legitimately looks at all these poor bastards putting their monies in banks and S&L and mutual funds what do they think when the collapse comes they can depend on the government The collapse came like five years later and everybody was fucking screwed. That's the winner. Great shot, Gordor Award. Would you go Sutherland's body popping out of the water? No, I had the pan up out of Venice and then the pan down into the Alps. Oh, when they show the sky. That's good. Chess, Rock World, Brocklanders were best character name. Left ear is pretty good. I gotta go Handsome Rob. I gotta go Skinny Pete. Good names in this movie. Kid Cudi, Pursuit of Happiness were best needle drop. That California Soul song. It's a great song. There's also just a lot of. It's used in a lot of movies. It's used in a lot and at this point, it bothered me when I heard it in this movie before. But I think it was kind of like a digging in the crates find back then. I also like a lot of. Because it's in focus. Like the radio techno that they play while guys are driving around. Was there a better title for this movie? I mean, it's more of an LA job. Yeah, probably. The Hollywood job. They do say the name. Yes. They do say the Italian job. See our flex category? You did it already. I did my flexes. Butch's Girlfriend Award weak link of the film. Let's go. Let's talk about the money. Oh, okay. Or we could do that. I know they make $27 million in their heist. But to my eyes, just on like the outlay of funds for the two heists, I think they might be coming out like a couple million in the black. They're basically the Dodgers. They're spending $1.2 billion on players to make $400 million. Yeah, but I don't understand. The gold, don't you think the gold should have been worth like $130 million? So when they initially steal it in Italy, it's $35 billion, right? And Norton sells eight. He gets off a couple bars, yeah. And so at the end of the movie, they steal 27, which means Norton has only spent eight? Yeah. And with those $8 million in 2003, he buys a 12,000 square foot mansion in LA. He has his own private security. He's like an army. He has like an army and that's all just in the $8 million he spent. He has three armors. He has armored trucks taking money to the airport. He has a helicopter. Well, he might have had other brands. He also saved money by only wearing tank tops and watching CNBC all day. He's like, I'll wear my Radnor's wardrobe. Yeah, and then the movie ends so they give some of the money to the Ukrainians. How much do you think of the $27 million they give to the Ukrainians? The Ukrainians could ask for all of it. Ten? Five? You have to give them at least seven. Seven? How much would it cost just to do these jobs? Well, that's the thing is that the outlay of money to get the warehouses, the cars, the technology, everybody's eating, sleeping, whatever, on and on and on. I'm not saying it costs $27 million, but did Mark Wahlberg just have that lying around? Yeah, like most dev is not going to be able to pay the property taxes on his new Spanish villa. I always wonder about a lot of books in there too. First editions? Obviously, I have this. How much money did he make? I have this. Everybody has this because it doesn't seem like that much money. I wonder if it was the time. I mean, this is basically like Kevin Herter's contract at this point. It's so funny. I was thinking about NBA contracts too. Yeah. It's like $27 million for three. Basically, Jordan Poole is going to make more money this year than they did in the entire deal. The whole fucking thing. He's got more bread than them. So unless you want to go live in Baton Rouge, this money's not going to stick. So you're splitting it. It's five people. So now it's $5.5 million each. It would be incredibly funny though if they did like the way they're doing all the videos now where guys are like, look, $10 million, $5 million goes to Uncle Sam, right? So like if you had Charlie, it'd be like $27 million. Well, I spent $20 just on shit to get these heists rolling. Why are these videos? Why is this one of the things that's happened this summer? Because the videos get a lot of engagement. But it's the same video every time. Don't people know at this point that, yeah, I made $100 million. Taxes, I'm down to $50. I'll just be honest with you. People never get sick of how somebody made money and people never get sick of how they fucked it up. But we did, when we did Broke, that was like the most watched 30, I think we had. Other than the U. Yeah, people, you got to pay taxes, you got to pay your agent, you got to pay all of this stuff. Like we've heard the story, but people just never get, they never get sick of how you fuck your money up. Never. Sounds like a podcast. But they all walked away with like two, three million each probably, right? Maybe four? No, because they didn't pay taxes because this was, they were stealing money. Well, this also exists in a universe outside of law enforcement because there is none in this entire film. So this is the bigger question. For the risk, for the amount of money they made, they blew up Hollywood Boulevard. This giant hole. To say nothing of the fact. One of the busiest, not to mention like, was anyone hurt in the explosion? This is 03, so after 9-11, a criminal is flying low, at low altitude helicopter run. A year and a half after 9-11. I didn't even think about that. Strafing Hollywood. There's no fucking way. That's the biggest nit. The biggest nit is if you guys never been out here before, you're going to look, you're going to see police helicopters all in the sky. They're up there for 60 minutes for 60 seconds. They scramble the LAPD to get over and it's up there and the whole fucking plan is fucked. We don't see cops ever in the last half hour of this movie. Do we see a cop in this movie? They're flying around the LA river just driving around. There's cops in Venice. Oh, okay. Yeah, I don't see how this was worth. I think the gold bar, I think the mistake is the gold bar should have been worth like $100 million. It should have been $100 million. Yeah. Like real, real big stakes. It's not quite. Which is interesting because Ocean's Eleven comes out before it is. And the take from Ocean's Eleven was what? 60s? 60 some odd million dollars or something like that. So at least they knew that it had to be a significant sum of money to split it up against the crew. Do you think it's because they had to match what gold was worth? It was $160 million in Ocean's Eleven. See what I'm saying? That's enough money to win. Now we're talking. You gotta split that 11 ways. I know. But that makes a lot of sense though. You split that 11 ways and you give a lot of money to the fingers. Eight years previous, Neil McCauley takes down the bank in downtown LA and that's, between 12.2 and 12.8 million. Now they don't get away with it, but that is half of what those guys take with very little of the. By the way, you could argue that wasn't enough. It wasn't, but it was a high profile. And Kelso did the motherboards. The cameras were cut. Yeah. The millionaire was making a lot of money except for Shurhurlis who spent all this shit. How much money, because Shurhurlis gets away with some of it. But Shurhurlis was like, Stan Humphries, he's gonna beat the Niners. I'm telling you guys. Yeah. It's gonna happen. Shurhurlis has like a duffel bag full of cash and I think Nate hooks him up with some more. That'll be part of heat too. Right. I watched like an hour of Top Gun Maverick last night. It was on. I think the scene when he, when Goose plays the piano scene when it hits Maverick. Revolve the fire. Maverick gets sad outside the bar and Jennifer Connelly realizes it's maybe the most rewatchable scene of this century. Or this decade. The 2020s. He just sees his friend. He's like. That whole scene. They're playing pool. Everybody's together. You get to meet everybody. They're like big dick If you get bored this month, we should do most rewatchable scenes of the 2020s. Of the 2020s. I think start to finish. I think that might be the most rewatchable scene because Cruise. But then the other one is the Val Kilmer scene. That's distinctly not rewatchable. Are you kidding? That's kind of. You have to let go and Cruise. Oh. Fucking goes there. Yeah. Cruise gets choked up. And he's like. I can't. I can't. I watch for. I watch for the coffee quarter. Like. Well, then you get that at the end. But. The most rewatchable scenes. Juke joint scene. Sinners. I think is highly rewatchable. That's a really good one. See, this would be a good argument. Which scene? The juke joint scene in Sinners. Oh, yeah. Yeah. What stage is the worst? Talked about the money. They rely on that song. That money song. They play it twice. They play it. Money. Yeah. That song has sucked forever. I don't like it. Come up with a better song. You're spending all this money on the movie. Here's the thing. I sent you a clip of this. This is also the Ed Norton reverse dunk award for did this movie need a random sports scene. Ironically, Ed Norton. We have Wahlberg dressed up to play basketball. We have Jason Statham there. And you know, and yet we only see a snippet of a basketball scene and it involves Jason Statham playing some of the worst defense I've ever seen in a basketball court. I think the more damning thing is that he doesn't know how to check ball. He doesn't. It's literally he doesn't even know what's happening. Yeah. And Wahlberg's going by him and it's like he didn't even realize you could do that. They're not playing ball in London in 03. Like it's it's a foreign concept to him. Lean into it and be like this guy's never played basketball. He's wearing a Lonsdale sweatshirt and I almost wonder whether he was like are we going to do boxing today? And they're like, no, we couldn't get the gym. So you guys are going to be in the outdoor basketball court. He's like, what's that? I wonder about this though from a Mark Wahlberg standpoint as well. He's also a good hooper. You, I mean, is this basketball diaries? He was good. Is he? Oh, yeah. Okay. Cause like Leo is the weakling of basketball diaries. I always wondered about this cause he puts basketball in a lot of movies. I wonder if he was out there. No, he's a real hooper. He's like Sandler, Clooney. I think those guys. I don't know if he's killing like that, bro. No, I'm saying for an actor, he's a good hooper. They cut away from, when he's shooting in the warehouse, they keep cutting away and like you hear swish and you're like, all right, man. Okay. So the final one they keep one shot where he makes it. In basketball diaries, he's good though. I don't know, Bill. For an actor? I'm just saying, like, was he, you tell me on the streets of South Boston, AKA Mississippi, was he killing people and like going, and going nuts? It was like, it seriously, he puts basketball Marky Mark played basketball. He played basketball as Marky Mark and the Funky Bunch. Plays basketball and he plays basketball in a lot of different movies. Compared to Woody Harrelson, who was in actual really good basketball players. Yes. He's not good like that. Yes. But I think for an actor, you know. One-on-one against Dave Jacoby. Oh, Jacoby would kill him. Okay, there you go. House now with a fake hip would probably beat Mark Wahlberg. Did House get a hip replacement? Yeah, House had one hip. Really? But House, did you say House could hoop like that? House was great. I can see it. House was the most fun guy to play with. You're talking about him like he's Bernard King. I had so much fun playing with House. He was great. But I thought, aren't you guys both connective tissue guys? Like, aren't you guys both like connectors? Yeah, so is Jacoby. Oh, wow. Yeah. So it's like Princeton, you know. My two favorite guys I've ever played with. Jacoby and House. And House. My flex is associated with the Wahlberg basketball thing. Yeah. I think we need an award for this moment. Like, when he's shooting hoops and he's like, what about the Italian job? And he like swishes. I feel like that is a moment that Mark Wahlberg demanded be in the movie because he's like, I'm good at basketball. That wasn't in the script. So the Mark Wahlberg and Italian job. Let's put this in because I want to show people I'm good at something. The shoehorn sports team You can also imagine, like, they're like, hey, Ed, we're going to switch sets in a minute. We're going to strike this one. But just, we've got to get one more pickup here. Mark's trying to make a 10-footer. Yeah. And Norton's just like, are you fucking kidding me? It's like, it's 5-0-2. Fuck this. Yeah, like, if I'm in a movie and I feel like I got a good fastball, I'm like, can we have a scene where I'm just throwing pitches in the backyard just so I can show my athleticism? Yeah, yeah. That's definitely what Wahlberg did. This is another reason why there are so many movies with Kevin Costner on a horse. No, it's why he's, and it's also why he just is like, I can fucking play baseball. So, like, any scene, you know, like. Baseball, horse, Kevin Costner. My dad used to always look at Kevin Costner and be like, this motherfucker can ride. So you get it. He could. Like, he could. He was a good horseback rider. Golf's another one like this. Yes. Curb does this because Larry will put himself in these, in these golf scenes in Curb really because he just wants to show off, like, his drives. Wood Harris, who's a good basketball player, hoops, you know, the scene in The Wire where Avon catches the lob from the stringer. Right. Wood just, Wood know he nice and Wood just wanted to dunk for all of the people on The Wire. And if you go back, I want you to watch this scene. This is not a shot at Idris, but this is another English guy. He just was like, what the fuck is this? Yeah. The way he throws the lob, it doesn't look like he's ever been on the court before. Soccer guys. But you give him the soccer ball and they go crazy. Avon prop Joe basketball coaching is still one of my favorite Wire scenes. Yeah. I love nothing more than when sports drifts into movies. I believed in Wahlberg's stroke. I think he played. Jesus Christ, Bill. He forced it into the movie. I like that. Lefties. You believed, you say that again? I like, he was a little Delonte West-ish. No, but you believe in what? His stroke, his shooting stroke. I believe in his stroke. That's a tough one. It's a gigantic pause. The last shot of Wahlberg and Shirley is just such a mail-in. And they fell in love. And it's just like this quick shot of them on a boat. It's almost like CGI'd in. I just never believed. They try to make a run at it when he's like, do you want to have a drink with me in the hotel? And she's like, no, I should get to bed. And it's like, all right, this isn't going to happen. And then when they try to make it happen at the end, you're just like, nobody believes this, guys. It was completely unearned. You see the reason, they try to even have like a momentary awkwardness where you walk in, don't look, don't look, but they never build on the sexual attention. No, it's almost like there's a scene missing. Yeah, like there's something they took out. By the way, when Fast, when the Fast franchise decided to rip off the Italian job going forward, one of the things they learned from was the lack of chemistry between Wahlberg and Charlize. They were like, we're going to get Gal Gadot in this. She's going to be going to have the eye of the tiger. She's going to have the look. Going to get Van engaged in this. I'm into it. Okay, sorry. Any other whatsoever? Napster pretty much like cyber stalks his ex-girlfriend. Having Stella have basically like this whole thing is being built up to her date with Steve and she's like, he doesn't know what I look like. He doesn't know who I am but I am going to use my dad's catchphrase. That's just like a major like this woman seems really sharp. I think that she would probably avoid that. So Jason Statham's hair covered head has aged the worst. Doing this now? Yeah, we're going to do it now. Okay. Because he decides to go bald and then after that he's the man. I have thoughts about this. While we don't see this anymore, I know the actor that changed it. Jamie Pippen. Because he grew his hair out. No. He got a hair transplant. After this, the hair transplant became in vogue. So what happens is you see guys like Mikael and all of these other guys, a lot of other people I could name too, that actually get hair transplants instead of just doing the Bruce Willis thing or doing the Jason Statham thing or letting the widows peak or whatever, whatever, live. Statham goes bald but if he would have come after Ari Gold, he would have probably gotten a hair transplant. He's one of the last pre-hair transplant guys. is like, I'm too fucking hard to actually get a transplant. I'm too manly to do it. But by the time like Jeremy Piven popped up with Ari Gold, he looked nothing like himself. He legitimately looked 15 years younger. We were so used to him being A, a little bit portly and B, having the receding hairline that when he came back it was like shit and I think that was very important in hair transplant cultural technology. Where does Travolta fit into this? Nah, he, I mean, it's on another planet. Yeah, his shit was like fucking luxurious. He went crazy. Domestic disturbance was the last time before he was like, all right, I'm going to really spend some real money trying to fix this. Enough of this LG post stuff. I'll tell you, Apollo 13, Hanks was, we talked about it when, it was up there. Yeah, Hanks, Hanks had the peninsula. You think he had one? Well, he definitely had, it was further back and then, yeah. Bennett Thieves, Benny Hanna Award, scene, ceiling, location. It's got to be Venice. Hans Gruber scale, villain ranking? Where do we put it? I'm going to go, honestly, there's a perverse, joy I get out of how little he gives a fuck. So, I'm going to give him like a six. Yeah. Yeah, I had five. He's right in the, right in the midst. But he plays, obviously the detachment was real, but his detachment in the movie kind of works for the movie. It's great in the final scene where he just doesn't care anymore because he's so happy. Yeah. This is, it's the last day of the shoot. He's like, oh no. Oh no, you got me. Jesus. Overacting award? I don't really feel like anybody. Oh. Okay. All right. We'll take a break and then Van's got to flex. for training is required. Tremphia is a prescription medicine used to treat adults with moderately to severely active Crohn's disease and adults with moderately to severely active ulcerative colitis. Serious allergic reactions, increased risk of infections or lower ability to fight them and liver problems may occur. Before treatment, get checked for infections and tuberculosis. Tell your doctor if you have an infection, flu-like symptoms or need a vaccine. Explore what's possible. Ask your doctor about Tremphia today. 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I have a pitch for the porn parody version of this. Now, I wanted to star, but I'm not going to star. I'll direct. It's called The Italian Jobs with an S. Is that with a Z? It could be Jobs with a Z. Now you're thinking. Now you're thinking. Now you're thinking. Just try to help. So, Ricky Johnson of Ricky's Room is going to star as a black man who realizes he's the descendant of the Moors who conquered southern Italy. Oh, my God. Yeah. So, he goes to Italy to find his roots with his black girlfriend. She's played by Scarlett Scandal. Are these porn stars? Are these porn actors? Don't worry about it. Like, just relax. Okay. Okay. And he finds out that there's still a turf war going on in Italy. You know. But instead of guns, they use sex. Yeah. Okay. That's what's happening. So, there's an organized crime family of beautiful Italian women that he has to take down. - That sounds great. - In order to win, the Capos or Mona Azars Valentina Bianco and the boss is Valentina Nappi okay this is the way they fight those are porn stars okay whatever man you don't got if you guys don't know the life you don't know the life they have to engage in sexual warfare him and the family against everyone there that's in southern Italy first one to come loses different jobs hand jobs blow jobs all kinds of things and he has to defeat them to reclaim Italian jobs jobs you know what I like about you what you still care about story I do I don't just go in there with a pitch with nothing else but to reclaim Italian jobs the his Moorish ancestral kingdom yeah he has to go there and win all of these different jobs and maintain his relationship this sounds like a high end x-rated vehicle I'm ready to shoot it this is what puts Jack Horner out of business oh oh I have something I have something the last line here Ringer Films yeah for sure Sean Fennessey executive producer bitch let me check Ringer Films with a Z with a Z yeah my vertical of Ringer Films that's it I like it it's better than half Italian job Sierra thinks Luke Wilson could have been Harrison Ford hottest take award I already did mine did you do yours no I'm trying to think of the right way to put this but I think John Wick killed my brain so when I watch this movie now I'm just like shoot him like every like almost every scene I'm like how come nobody just pulls out a gun and kills him right here he's the guy he's the guy who killed Donald Sutherland yeah like kill him you got him why are we having foreplay yeah and also if you're Ed Norton and you've already shown the capacity to kill Donald Sutherland just shoot these people or have these people killed and you shot the Ukrainian guy but there's just like a weird rule in this movie of when gun violence can or can't be deployed and I think modern action movies have kind of made it hard to watch because you're like I don't understand like he killed Donald Sutherland you're supposed to just take this dude out what do you have this is you know Charlize Theron Theron whatever you call her is the white Halle Berry I have no intellectual thoughts to back this up I've always felt this way they each have an Oscar like they they're mirroring each other in weird ways they it's it's like they're the bizarro version of one another I don't have it fleshed out and thought out I actually wanted you guys to help me make this case I don't I feel she's the one I was a little older a little bit just a little bit like seven or eight years a little older but they're both potent female forces that seem like they could be happy alone if they have to be absolutely like they have the one Oscar each like you said have been in franchises been in franchises they've really figured out social media how to make splashes like how they did that juicy peach thing recently yeah it's good Charlize had that whole thing about she's like I just like one night stands with twenty twenty something guys yeah they just come in and do their business they understand their place on the desirability scale yeah and we are investing in them both culturally and on the screen they are have they been in a movie together I don't think so I hope it would work it's almost like having two dominant ball handlers on the same NBA team it's like is there going to be enough ball around for them hopefully for many years to come the Van Lathan award did this movie need more black people I think so yeah where would you put them in you know where they needed it they needed not to cut you off because this is obviously your award but no you did cut him off it's okay well I just got inspired there you go you wanted to be an ally Steve needed a black sidekick yep Steve and right ear you know what I mean and like that was maybe it could have been Mos Def's brother Steve needed a bodyguard that went with him everywhere who didn't let's make this guy his equal guys it could have been his computer guy let's make this guy you know you guys are making this guy I used to think Seth Green didn't have to be Seth Green he could have been black that could have been Dave Chappelle pretty easily I think that actually where the movie misses some some brothers and sisters it definitely misses some black women it's like throughout sprinkled throughout like the cornucopia of LA there was an awesome opportunity to have like I don't know like Snoop pop up in this bitch or like young black actors from around the town pop up in this motherfucker somewhere they missed a spot when Ed Norton takes Charlize to dinner that could have been like a cooler restaurant we could have had some more celebs there I felt like they missed a big set piece scene in the middle which is what Fast would have done they would have had a Statham trying to evade police scene like at about the hour mark of this movie just to like get our adrenaline going again that's when they do all the like LA underworld crime stuff of like the Ukrainians and the gold bars and all that stuff so you're saying the dinner scene with Ed Norton he's taken I agree no but he's he's taken Charlize instead to some concert or some club yeah what year is it it's 2003 so 50's in town you know like and they're going there or something like that just a little bit more cause Steve Frizzelli loves 50 like whatever he's hanging out with him but like whatever like there's an opportunity LA has a very very potent black cultural fingerprint so there's just a little bit of that missing in the movie that would have been incredible Steve Frizzelli was just chilling out with G-Unit yeah incredible Tony Yeo in that bitch casting what ifs not really a ton here except Wahlberg dropped out of SWAT to do this Colin Farrell got that role and then apparently Giovanni Ribisi was supposed to be the Seth Green part but couldn't do it I've never understood much better movie with Mark Wahlberg in it what SWAT I mean I like SWAT but if Mark Wahlberg was in SWAT I think SWAT would have been better who was in SWAT I don't remember Colin Farrell Colin Farrell wasn't on my list you said who would like SWAT you've never seen SWAT it's good no I saw it I saw it when I was in the theater or whenever after but I haven't seen it in 20 years am I missing something that's just it's an enjoyable action movie give you 20 million dollars break me out of jail whatever you said Joey Pants Award for best that guy I have a couple here okay I think you moved this down a little bit where'd it go Skinny Pete said that guy because I just know him as Skinny Pete Scott Adsit from 30 Rock is the actor rehearsing in traffic oh that's a good one Boris Krutnog is Yevin the Ukrainian he was in Hunt for Red October he's on the on the Red October he's one of those guys and Oscar from The Office is the security guard that's the one that jumped out at me the Oscar he just sticks out like a sore thumb but both of the Russian guys could be that guy yeah DM Waiters Award Donald Sutherland or Skinny Pete I had Sean Fanning Sean Fanning and he mugs for the camera he's like I'm in this movie Inspired Choice I had Sutherland yeah Sutherland it's like in for 15 minutes recasting couch director or city I mean obviously we gotta get Philly the fuck out like is it better in Boston or would you go to Chicago in the summer Steve Frizzelli like we gotta get Philly the fuck out and your response is Boston in 03 Steve Frizzelli's taking a helicopter from New York to go see his money in Philadelphia that's right yeah I don't have any real recasting other than the Mark Wahlberg part so who would you ideally put in the Mark Wahlberg part somebody else Damon cause Damon can't do it cause he's got born identity he's already in oceans and stuff and Affleck I hate doing this cause it's you're shooting too high but I want you to think about the time this movie came out 03 in Leo DiCaprio Bill just get the fuck out of here what are you the beach was 01 okay right he's about to hit he just did Gangs of New York and he's about to hit the catch me if you can the aviator part of his IMDB this is pre-Blood Diamond pre-TIA I think he could've snuck this in here and I think it's a much better movie yeah this is like no shit if Leo is the Mark Wahlberg part I think this movie's a home run this would just be if honestly it would be so fucking cool if DiCaprio just made one of these now if he was just like eh why don't we just bang out an Italian job but this is legitimately the point in his career where he goes you know what I made the beach fuck it for the next X amount of years it's Spielberg Scorsese those are the guys these are the guys that I'm working with and he doesn't make movies like this Inception is kind of just prestige Italian job that's a really good point that's actually not bad getting the gang all together he's the leader it's a really good point but it's Christopher Nolan it's Christopher Nolan yeah do you think Leo's IMDB in the 2000s you should basically trade this for Blood Diamond why can't I just have this movie too okay what's wrong with that that's fine why do we have to be so precious about Leo about Blood Diamond about Blood Diamond if he goes this movie right into Catch Me If You Can Aviator with book ending with Gangs of New York and this is a good movie this is the next one it's just like oh I'm doing a fun little caper movie yeah I think you would have been really good in this alright Craig you did your flex yeah but can I do a hottest take yeah I think all of the heists in this movie are in the wrong order and they chose the wrong heist to feature I think the Venice heist by far the coolest heist in the movie it should have been the end of the movie yeah it's also the Italian job yes it should be the end falling through the three levels with the paint was super cool into the water it was like a great movie that you think it's in the boat, it's not. And then the heist that they were planning in Steve's house was super cool. I wanted to see the Mini Coopers in the house driving around. That was so cool. I feel like the one they finished the movie on was the least interesting heist. That's a great take. Fantastic take. I don't know how that changes calling it the Italian job. But I guess they have to do the Italian job. I'm currently in a Twitter algorithm where I keep getting served coward clips. It'll be about like, you know, quarterbacks are like comedians. You don't want to have to explain it too much. And then the tweet is like, holy fucking shit. Look at him cook. And I'm like, I don't really get it. It's like a pretty okay take, but that's just like, can we put this on Twitter? We should do that for Craig. Holy fucking shit. He cooks so well. We almost ended the pod here. We couldn't believe it. I did see that quarterback take, and I was like, what's going on? The more you have to explain a comedian and how funny they are, the odds are they aren't that funny. And the same goes for quarterbacks. But doesn't that, isn't what he's saying, doesn't that make fucking sense? Sure. Yeah, sure. Half-assed research, not a ton here other than the Norton stuff, the Norton stuff, the stunts. There's a fuck ton of Cooper stuff that you just kind of glaze over after a while. Apex Mountain. Coopers. Probably nobody in this movie, really, except for maybe Seth Green. This might have been the peak for Seth Green. You're looking at me like, I mean, you know, nice defense attorney. You're a people. It's not Austin Powers. It's after Austin Powers, after the third one. He's one of the leads in an Italian job, basically. And I feel like this is. Yeah, like this was his shot at being a big boy type of. Yeah, this is, maybe it was the last Austin Powers. Nothing really else except for many Coopers, I don't think. You know what's funny? How about Venice scenes? Is 03 21st century Apex for Los Angeles? So I was thinking for the Hollywood area, it might be. That's when Kimmel Show relaunched there. And it goes all the way. They're spending money. And they're really trying to restore it and make it a place you go. And the man theater they spent money on. And they built the new mall. Arclight's cranking. Arclight. It goes all the way to the end of like Entourage. You know what the. And Katsuya goes in on the corner of. Katsuya goes in. Sunset and Vine. And it became like the place for two years. And then Sunset. Every little part of Hollywood has its own deal. Sunset and Vine has its deal. Then right there, the corner of Fairfax. Not Fairfax. The corner of La Brea. It really ended when The Ringer moved into Sunset Gower. In 2016. No, we had a nice couple of years there. No, but I'm saying that was the beginning and the end for the entire area. We took out Hollywood. Yeah. Getting chased by hobos in the Gulch. Kevin Clark got run over by a car. Gower Gulch. It was a big deal. I think Hollywood's coming back. I hope so. David Ellison's going to save it. Cruise or Hanks? You could do both. You could have Chachetti. You could have Cruise play. I think Cruise could have been Wahlberg really easily. He would have loved the driving. I think Cruise and the. It would have been. The Edward Norton role. Evil Cruise? Evil Cruise. Mustache Cruise. We've only seen Evil Cruise and Collateral. Yeah. What else? That's it? Think about this movie with Cruise in the Edward Norton role and then Leo. He would have tried harder. I'll tell you that much. Yeah, and Leo. Picket knits. Just Charlize pretending to be a cable repair person was ludicrous. They figure out the right Brinks truck in the Hollywood chase scene. Yeah. Based on tire size. Cause Seth Green apparently has some incredible computer program and he measures the tires and one tires would love. They have set that up when he keeps telling them like it's this wide. It's what if that, what if that car just had less air in the tires? Just by some coincidence, I dunno, um, blowing up the exact square spot in Hollywood Boulevard car has to be in the right lane. That's the stop right on that spot. It can't take out any other cars. I'm just saying high degree of difficulty. Yeah. I think this movie is less interested in the planning and the execution of stuff in any heist type movie that I've seen in taken seriously. Yeah. Cause in oceans, you're like, Holy shit, that would work. And in oceans, they do so much. They have multiple cons running at the same time. They let you know you're in on the heist. Almost. They make you an expert in it. Like they immerse you in it. This movie doesn't give a fuck about that. Um, if we've talked about a lot of the other picket nets, I was just going to say, if you stole a bunch of gold. From Venice, would you really have a roadside party at the border for Austria and then get on a one lane road? Probably not. Probably not. Just mine is also bullets. Don't work like that when they hit the water, like travels full speed that way. And, uh, yeah, there were no police. Oh, look at CR fucking correcting us. Yeah. Mythbusters. They die in the water. The water's cold. They're all sharing the thing. They're dead. Sequel prequel prestige TV. All black cast are untouchable. I'd watch. They almost did the Brazilian. We already talked about. I've watched six of these movies. Boston job, Philly job. I've watched a prequel prestige TV show about Donald Sutherland and you can have key for plan. Honestly, missed opportunity. This movie made almost $200 million. I don't know why they just abandoned it. I mean, there's a lot of talk about like what was supposed to happen and why the Brazilian job never got made. You could have done the Stella Bridger series as like an international safe cracker and that could have been a whole thing. The whole series cracker fucking Craig over here. I would have, I would have gone to at least the first one of those. Yeah. Or in Halle Berry. This category leads me to the question of all black cast. Hmm. Has there been an all black cast heist movie? Oh, well, you have. And if not, why not? You have fight night a couple of, I mean, there's an answer to why didn't Eddie Murphy do tower heist tower house, but there's an answer to why people in tower. All right. I mean, there's an answer to why. Why is that? I mean, there are heist movies that, that involve black people, but there's an answer to why is because it's, you know, that when you do these movies like this, the criminals in the movie seem elegant. They seem highbrow. And that's because like crimes committed like this by an all white cast, they seem like ingenious. There's ingenuity. And on screen. When black people. Black people commit crimes, even if these crimes have all of this intricate shit to it, they just seem like criminals to the audience. Like that same elegance and that same ingenuity. I think people view it in a different way. Institutional bias. I completely think that maybe that's the challenge and the thing to upend. Yeah, I agree. I thought we couldn't do a movie like this, but we just fucking did. Right. By the way, they're like, they're movies out there. They're black heist movies. Even like some of them are comedic, whatever, even like, you know, uptown Saturday night. Let's do it again. Movies like that. But when you talk about all of this type of shit, a takers is kind of like the idea of having honestly like a movie. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. But when you when you start looking at it like that, it's different. See, is this movie better with Wayne Jenkins, Fergie, the floor is Zane Lowe, Robert Evans, Dr. Charles Nichols, Ted Levine or someone else. I have a new person introduced to this. This is Melange. Can't wait. Derek from American History X. Oh, let's go. I got a bet. I come in this game right now. Same score. But we play. Mini Coopers versus helicopters. If you win, we will walk away. But if we win, no bitching, no fighting right here in front of everybody. You pack up your shit and you get your little British cars out of here. When are we doing that? Fucking craziest scene in movie history. I fucking loved it. I loved it. I love that fucking movie. That's my favorite performance of him ever. He's unbelievable. He's phenomenal in it. The movie. I know it makes people uncomfortable, but the movie is sublime. It's really good. Sublime. 99, man. Somebody just asked me like three days ago if we were ever going to do it. Did you not do it with Shay? We never did it. Not for Luminary? No. Let me ask you this. Seriously. All jokes aside. Are you a little bit scared of him? No. Not at all. Yeah. When you go back and watch it. I love that movie. I think it's also a fascinating text to use now. No. It's always been on the list. We just never did it. Just one Oscar. Who gets it? Eh. What do we do here, Craig? What about the. Is there like a stunt driver Oscar? Yeah. Stunts. Okay. Stunts? Stunts. Yeah. Probably unanswerable questions. I didn't really have any other than we made $24 million and caused $490 million of damage. Yeah. Yeah. Now what? I feel like people are looking for these people for the next five years. It's weird. There's one reference. The people who ruined LA have escaped again. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Most Def gets them cell phones at the beginning of the LA portion. And he's like, you know, we'll have to switch these out a lot because they're going to be heat on these lines. And like, there is no heat on the lines. There's no cops. Right. Nobody is. Nobody's looking for them. This is probably answerable, but I want to ask you guys that this question. Is there anybody in this movie that you think is better at their respective job than their counterpart in the Ocean's Eleven? Is there anybody here that's better that does? I honestly, I thought Seth Green had all the answers. For an hour and 50 minutes. Is there anybody in the Ocean's crew that has handsome Rob's skill set? That's the one. I think. I think he would. Getaway driver. He's the only member of this crew. Boats and cars. He's the only member of this crew that I think could be on Danny's crew. That's a good question. So who are you bumping? Off Danny's crew? Yeah. Carl Reiner. Yeah. Oh, damn. Oh, wow. No, I'm saying like. I think. There's got to be a sunset clause somewhere. I know he's the guy in Ocean's Eleven, but like, you know. Maybe the combo of Casey and Scott, even though they're really funny. Yeah, you don't need both. Yeah. The memorabilia you'd want from this movie is easy. It's got to be a gold brick. Mini Cooper. I would have put that right there. My wife has a Mini Cooper. Really? It's pretty harrowing driving it around. Yeah, I agree. Everybody's. Especially now, everybody's bumper is basically at brain level. So like, as you're pulling out, you're like, this guy is going to decapitate me. Like, everywhere. I don't. I'd talk to my wife. I'd get anyone. Coach Finstock, Mr. Braggie, your word, best, worst, life lesson. It's got to be the devil inside, right? Yeah. Best double feature choice. I'd go with Fast Four, just so you could see how many things they kind of secretly stole from this movie. And then who won the movie? Might be Ed Norton. That's the funny thing. It's tough. I think it's the funniest of all the performances, like, to revisit during a rewatch of those. It's him and Charlize are the reasons to go back to, like, kind of see pre-super stardom Charlize and Ed Norton being like, you fucking guys, I can't believe this. What do you got, Craig? I think it's the first inanimate object to win the movie, and it's the Mini Coopers win the movie. I don't even think it's close. Wow. Mini Coopers win the movie. You're cooking with heat today. That fucking take is one of the best things I've ever fucking had before. You're like a young Colin Coward today. You're going crazy. Yeah. You will believe what this kid just said about his talent. Craig Corbin did it again. Anybody I know who likes this movie, who watched it growing up, the first thing they say, Italian job? Oh, Mini Coopers. It's the Mini Coopers. Oh, that's true. You're probably right. Yeah, I watched this movie a ton growing up. This was like peak cable movies. I almost feel like it was made for cable. There's like no sex, no blood, no swearing. It's like made to just live on television. And it's like the perfect gateway action movie for a 12-year-old boy. You're absolutely right. It's great. People to look at. Yeah. Things happening. I remember watching this when I was like 11 years old and thought it was fucking awesome. So you were excited when we did the Italian job. Yeah, this is great. It's been on the list for a while. Yeah. Damn, Craig was like Carmen and the Bear with this scene. The thing about Mini Coopers is they're like a New York City apartment. They're small, but they do, they do a lot. The Italian job. First of two rewatchables this week. We have about last night, 40th anniversary coming on Thursday with me and CR and Mallory Rubin who is going to make CR about as uncomfortable as it gets. I can't wait. She does get you. No, she doesn't. You guys, he's 15 years or 14 years of this. Guys, perhaps go back to the infamous blowjob story. You know what? It's just like those stories come out of nowhere. It's like if you watch the blow, I'm sorry, which is the funniest moment I've personally read the book. I don't even know if Bill knows this. Which movie was that one? Oh, Jesus Christ, bro. So like a couple of years ago, we do the, I can't remember which movie draft it was. It's all of us. It's the whole couch full of people. Rob, Joe, me, the big picture. And Mallory goes into a story about, you know, giving blowjobs in her basement and like watching Snatch. And if you guys don't fucking believe me, just go back to the movie. Go back and watch it. The reactions from Dobbins, from CR, and from Phineasy, all when she gets to it, are hysterical. I'm sorry, you guys were like, We didn't cut social out of this? She legitimately got you guys. She did. And it was the element of surprise. You know? That's what makes her so special. Anyway, that's going to be Thursday. So two episodes this week. Van, pleasure as always. CR, pleasure. Thanks, brother. Craig, thank you. And we'll be back on Thursday. We'll be back on Thursday. This episode is brought to you by the movie Mutiny. Only in theaters August 21st. Jason Statham stars in Mutiny, the new action thriller from the director of Plane. When an international conspiracy turns deadly, Statham goes off the grid on a one-man mission to take down those responsible. 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