The Israeli Terrorists

What's up? What's up, everybody? Welcome to a brand new episode of part of the problem. And if it's a brand new episode, you know, I'm Dave Smith. And he is the Roberto El Flemmo Bernstino. I'm doing well excited to get the hell out of my apartment. I'm back out porching basically all the way through November, upcoming porches and Cincinnati, Dallas, Sacramento, Reno, and coming down to the wire. Someone can please come forward with the San Jose or San Francisco porch. I'm still in need of a porch. I'm going to be out there on a Friday night either way. Don't make me porch alone. The place where he's already been scheduled. There's a fine line between doing like an RC cool independent tour. And Rob just getting trashed in San Diego alone. Come through San Diego. And what was that? San Francisco or San Jose or something else that's in the air. San Francisco or San Jose guys come through, be a part of the legendary porch tour. And then you and I, we got, we got Louisville this weekend. Oh, I'm excited to go back. That's a little bit messy was trying to help me work on how to say it the right way. I didn't help at all. They didn't. It only made me further from ever getting it right. Instead of Trump putting in the name of America and everything, just why don't we work on getting city and state names to be phonetically accurate? Oh, man, I would support that. I might even look past a war to get that going. But yes, we will be in Louisville this Friday and Saturday, really looking forward to that great comedy town. Really looking forward to coming back out there. Comic Dave Smith dot com tickets are available. Please go grab them looking forward to seeing some of you out there. So okay, a couple things. Number one, I just want to say before we start today's show, because we, I have not publicly, I suppose, commented on the debate with Alan Derschwitz. But I, so I would just, just say, for those members already know, but we did an entire episode with me giving my thoughts on like a post debate analysis and rob weighing in. And it was, it was cool. We do the members only episode. We do, we do a fourth episode every single week. So that was the fourth episode of last week. You got to sign up to get the fourth episode at part of the problem dot com. And then you also get, you get all the, the show is live, ad free, uncensored, and on demand, the entire library, the whole archive history of part of the problem as well as a bunch of, you just join a cool community and you help support the show you love. Anyway, I will just say, here publicly, thanks for all the, the, the kind words after the debate. That was, that was nice. Oh, and Natalie mentioned there is a clip of the show is available. If you want to check it out on the part of the problem clips channel, make sure to go subscribe to that channel as well. That's us over there. So part of the problem clips, go check them out. But anyway, yeah, it was, it was what it was, it was, I'll do just like a quick recap, you know, maybe just the biggest takeaway was, you know, we were wondering for a long time, what are these guys even going to say? What's he even going to say to defend the war at this point? And it turns out what he had to say was, I can't defend it. And you're an anti-Semite. And yeah, so that was that. I did an episode of Pierce Morgan this morning, Rob. Oh, on a panel, I really didn't even want to do. I said no to it, but they got me to do it somehow anyway. And it was again, just the same as someone was just sitting there, like I almost, I didn't even really argue with the guys that much just sitting there being like, this is actually the best you got. This is actually the best you got defended this thing. It's over the people trying to still push it. Well, so they told me, I forget what it was yesterday. They go, hey, can you do a panel? You know, with it was like with Buckley Carlson, Tucker's brother, who I love and a couple other people who I didn't really care about. But I was like, yeah, sure, okay, I'll come do that. And then this morning, they were like, ah, the whole thing kind of fell apart. Now this happens sometimes with Pierce, because they do so many shows. And they were like, okay, the new panel is, is what's his name? Ben Ferguson and Will Chamberlain and that Joe Joe lady, who's like a Joe Biden Democrat type. And I'm just like, ah, God, no. And I just said no, I told my person, I go, no, no, no, no, just say no, no. And then they were like, well, what should I tell them? And I go, here, quote me. So I just had to send me a quote, send them a quote of me. And I go, no, I'm done. I go, uh, listen, man, I debated Ben Ferguson one-on-one on Pierce Morgan. I've done a few panels with him already. I've already kind of wrecked this guy. He also, I mean, I don't mean to be a dick. I'm actually even like personally just like Ben, I used to know him from back in the SE Cup days. We used to do shows in studio together sometimes. He doesn't have much to say. But so his thing, I don't know if you've seen this or his thing on the Pierce Morgan panels is he's just going to interrupt everything he's had. Just ever, and it is kind of like the one tactic that you're like, well, wait, that's just no fair. You know, like, you can't, and he will do it relentlessly. Like literally, it'll just be like, hey, I'll make this whole show. Every time you start making a point, I'm going to break you up by talking over you, repeating a question over and over through your whole rant. Like, and, and, I was just like, dude, I don't want to do it with him anymore. And then they come back and they go, no, no, no, we assure you, we really need you to make this panel work and like blah, blah, blah, and they go, Pierce has a mute button. He's going to mute them if they try to interrupt you or whatever. And I was like, Oh, that's not really good either. But they've, they've put me on so much over the last few years, Rob, I do feel bad saying no to them. So I was like, fine, I'll do it. And then they go, are you do it? And Pierce is like, I have a mute button if you guys started to rupture. And then the whole thing became like people playing to Pierce to mute the other one. And you're just like, Oh, I didn't mean to turn this into the gayest thing ever. That's not what I was trying to do. I was just trying to say no. Let me do something else. Also, I got like a sinus infection. So I'm on like steroids and antibiotics that I just feel a little bit crazy. But anyway, so I go on there and you're just listening to these guys. They've just gotten nothing. There's no defense. There's just yeah, well, the war's not going good. But you know, the jobs numbers were better than expected and blah, blah. And I'm just sitting there and then like, I don't know what point I, you know, I got into it with them a little bit at certain points. But you, I guess I would just say it's, it's a lot like debating with somebody who's denying Joe Biden's senality at this point. You know, it's just like, okay, all right. No, I still think the midterms could work out real good. And you're like, all right. Well, I guess we're living on different planets, but backed up by no compelling argument. Just kind of, and then I said, I called it out to Will. I go, Will you talk? He goes, you know, I think the midterms are going to be fine. I go, last time we talked, you said the Iranian regime would be collapsed in a month. Any update on that with no response, no response at all. Anyway, there was something. It was something else. Go watch it. It'll be out soon. I hope his dignity is worth a paycheck. It is, you know, there's something about watching it all, it all go down. But you know, I guess at one point, Ben Ferguson said to me, this was his, actually his defense. And I, I'm so interesting. He goes, you know, most of the people who voted voted for Donald Trump are still quite happy that they did. And I went, most of, that's what you're down to. You're down to, it hasn't been more than a 49% collapse in his support. Like I just said, like imagine Donald Trump ran for president again tomorrow and got 30 million less votes. And you went, I still kept most of them. I mean, what a, that is winning. That is winning if ever I've seen it. Anyway, who can, who can defend this work this point, Rob? Perhaps is the question. I mean, you would think we're over six months into the thing. You'd think somebody could step up and sell it, really defend it. Perhaps JD Vance. Can he, what do you think, Rob? I'm being told we have a clip. I'm excited to find out. All right, let's go, let's go to our vice president. In terms of the war in the timeline, given this administration has put timelines out there before, what you just said about no negotiations happening with Iran. Will this more be over by the time of the midterm elections? Okay, let me get, I don't, I wouldn't call it a war. Right now there is no active shooting. I recognize there has, there have been places where this has flared up. Major combat operations. Again, major combat operations lasted for about six weeks and since then, we destroyed, of course, their nuclear facilities with midnight hammer. With epic theory, we destroyed their defense industrial base for producing weapons and also a lot of their conventional military. And then we made it harder for them to rebuild that nuclear program. But when you ask, when will this end? You're asking me a question like when will the Iranians stop shooting at ships? I think the reality is I don't know the answer to that question. You would have to ask the Iranians. When will the Iranians shooting at ships stop having an effect on world energy markets? And the answer is it has less effect day by day. So what we're going to do is not depend on the Iranians behaving responsibly or negotiating in their faith. What we're going to do is use the tools that we have in our disposal to ensure that the American people, one, never have to deal with the threat of an Iranian nuclear program. And two, that world energy markets are properly supplied. Well, if the Iranians keep on shooting at commercial ships, Again, we have, I think, a responsibility, but certainly the only ones with the capability to ensure that the Iranians are not destroying world energy markets. And our attitude is we're not going to set an artificial timeline because let's just say hypothetically, let's say I told you three months, say I told you three days, okay? And then the Iranians start blowing up oil and gas ships and the United States is the only country with the capability to ensure that those oil and gas ships get to market. Well, what I would say is it would be irresponsible for us to write out our strategy and our timeline for an Iranian nation that simply cannot honor its commitments and cannot stop shooting at commercial ships. >> In terms of the -- >> All right, well, Rob, I don't know about you, but I feel a lot better, wasn't that kind of reassuring? I mean, I really appreciate it, you know what really reassured me was when she asked if the war would last through the midterms and he quibbled with her referring to it as a war, even though every single member of this administration has referred to it as a war. I really like that. And it's also just blatantly obviously a war. I like how he started with that, that was really strong, and then I like how he went to essentially we don't know there is no timetable. That was essentially the substance of the rest of his answer. I don't know if I even consider this a war, Rob is like bombing them, I mean, yeah, last week, but you know, there's a war, since when is a military blockade considered an act of war? Oh, since navies were first raised, okay, and then, you know, I mean, what else can you say? Sitting here denying how it's a war, and then, yeah, really nothing. I will say this Rob, I'm curious to get your thoughts on all of it. You know, isn't it funny how once the war has dragged out to now being over six months long, that's when we start here and this, come on guys, what's up with these timetables? Of course, everyone, everyone who had a problem with the war at the launch was immediately assured that it would be weeks, not months. It's ridiculous. The idea that Donald Trump would get us into a forever war, which of course, as I've been informed is, yes, I guess this means, if it doesn't last forever, Stephen Crowder's producer was arguing with me on Twitter, he said, Dave got the Iran war wrong, and I said, how do I get it wrong? And he goes, he said it would be a forever war, and it hasn't been forever. It's like a, it's an old Simpson's joke, you go, wait till you get the lawsuit of the never ending story. You should really go after that movie for it, it's like, I don't even know what you're talking about. Did I use the term forever war? Okay. Um, but the point being, they sit there and mock you and tell you like, no, no, of course, this is going to be quick. It'll be weeks, not months. And then when you're like, hey, months has gone way by. And now we're basically Rob, when we asked the question of through the midterms, we're almost at the point of asking, wait, is this going to be years, right? We're approaching a year at that point. And well, come on, now timelines are awfully gay. That's what it all, that's what it always comes down to. Any thoughts Rob? Yeah. There were a couple of things that I picked up on first is he was saying the issue of like the straights being closed and oil, it gets, it's only getting better as time goes on, but the oil price keeps going up, the diesel price is going up, so it's just not really an accurate claim. And then he goes on to however, the only ones with the capability of reopening it. And we have the responsibility of the rest of the world to do so. It's like, well, we're not doing that. We don't seem to have the capability. And the America does not seem to be honoring that responsibility or all that concerned about other markets that, you know, have to import more oil than we do. And then lastly, as he goes, oh, there's no significant strikes. Well, we just had an accelerate. This was, you know, I think on Thursday or Friday, but over the weekend, we've kind of accelerated our action and that now we're attacking Iranian oil tankers as retribution before we weren't doing so, I guess. And now Iran has responded that they are going to be, I guess, further blockading the Straits, that they're, you know, I guess opening up the area in which that they're going to be striking at things and that they're clamping down on who can cross that even the limited of boats that I get are, I guess they're crossing on the Oman side, it will be more difficult for them. But hey, not a war. We've got a responsibility to open the Straits and make sure that oil prices are going down. We're not honoring that responsibility or the only ones that could take care of this problem. Yeah. We have yet to showcase a way to do that nor are we doing it. And it's not a war because there's just limited engagement and oh, yeah, that's accelerating at the moment. Right. So let's just, just to further his all very good points, but just a further drill down on the point you made about his framing because it's very similar to framing like inflation is coming down when the rate of inflation is coming down, you know, and just, and in a similar sense, right? You know, he says that the situation in the strait is getting better, which I think is like technically true if you look at, so essentially right, were at the at the height of the double blockade where there is more oil flowing through than there was at the height of that, but it's still way down from pre war levels. And so pre war levels are what you're going to compare this thing to because that is that was the state of the global economy before it, right? Like basic economic laws, one of the basic laws of economics of economics is that production dictates consumption that you can only produce or you can only consume as much as has been produced and you can't consume more than that because it hasn't been produced yet. So in other words, the global economy, the level of the global economy was producing a level that it is still not producing now, so you're still down. You know, if someone started stabbing you near vital organs and then started stabbing you away from vital organs, it's, it may be preferable to the way it was a few minutes ago, but it's still overall a negative from them not stabbing you at all. And so for the argument, it is so absurd on its face to say that, well, the justification for continuing this war is the problem that was caused by the war. I mean, that's, this is the place that I look and this was really, I mean, I guess to zoom out here, right? Let's take a moment because we've been covering this thing like every day or to what feels like it for months and months and months now. But if we really zoom out, this is the big story, Rob. This is the story of what's being revealed by all of this, okay? There are the big takeaways right now and the vice president's telling you this. It's all about the straight and we have no timetable. We essentially have no ability to really do it. I don't know. How do you get the Iranians to stop shooting? Well, we can make a deal, but then they can keep shooting after that deal. I can give you a timetable. Then they can keep shooting. Look, here's the thing. And this is, as we've moved away from this now, this has been the significance, I think of the, what I would call the MOU stint of this war, right, whatever, how long did that last rub? A little over a week where Donald Trump snapped out of it and signed the MOU and then all this. And then JD Vance went on Rogan and they were arguing with the war hawks and the Israel lobby was melting down. We had about a week of that pressure before they caved and we went back to the war. But what was admitted during the MOU was that it's not about any of this other shit anymore, Rob. We already signed an agreement that gave up all the war aims and was just about opening the strait of our MOUs while kicking the can on all of that down the road. So that's the position we're in now is that we've admitted it's not about any of this other shit. All the reasons that we were told we had to fight the war now have been admitted. We don't actually, they're all bullshit. We don't actually need any of that. What we do need is this new problem that was caused by the war to be stopped. Oh my God, I mean, what type of like, like think about a weaker position to be coming from in, in justifying a war, it's hard to imagine one. Yep. Well, we're going to be staying out there and flirting with disaster through the midterms. This will be the thing. Well, the new thing is they want to move the grass and keep it quiet to laugh to the midterms. Yeah. You know, there was, there was one part of the, the, the debate with Alan Derschwitz that I didn't get to expand upon. You know, there were a couple of things that like, if, you know, it didn't, we only had 90 minutes. He changed that at the, the last minute, which whatever. But I would have loved to debunk some of the nuclear stuff more. I wanted to get into that, but we never really came back to it. But the thing I said, well, I got a good line in on him. But I didn't really nail the point home. But when he said, because you know, he just left the Democrats because they're not pro-Israel anymore. And so now he's very much in the business of, you know, raging against these radical socialists. They hate Israel and everything they stand for is bad. And he goes, he goes socialism, I forget exactly what he said, but he said, like socialism is on the ballot and you're saying this and this. And I said, yeah. And they might win because Israel is on the ballot too. Like, that's like, like, it's like no, dude, support for this shit is what's got, like you even hear it. It's as they just think about this whole year, like one of the major things that's categorized the way people have been talking about this shit is that the attack from the regime puppets is you guys are going to hand the midterms to the Democrats. If you keep criticizing the administration and here you have the vice president saying, oh, yeah, this most unpopular of wars, yes, this will be looming in the background over the entire midterms? Yes. as we, as we think about giving control of this country back to the insane Democrats, that's right. This war will be right there the whole time for them to just simply oppose and collect millions and millions of votes just for saying, I'm not for this disaster. Good work. All right, guys, let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today's show, which is Body Brain Coffee. A sponsor very close to my heart, the brainchild of Louis J. Gomez, and a delicious cup of coffee that I drink every day because it naturally boosts your testosterone levels. Now, I'm not the type of guy who's going to do injections or really get into supplements, but I could certainly have a delicious cup of premium freeze-dried Colombian coffee packed with functional ingredients that have been linked to testosterone support, stress management, focus, and brain function. I'll tell you guys this, I drink it hot, I drink one cup every day, I've been feeling great, I've been drinking this stuff for months, it's real coffee, it's delicious, it naturally boosts your testosterone, and it's all good ingredients. 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Did you see this rub? Mike Huckabee came out and I kind of, I must admit, I was surprised by this. He evidently after speaking to some Palestinians in the West Bank, came out and referred to Israeli settlers as the "T" word. Let's play the clip here. It's been a very, very instructive morning. I have an opportunity to visit with the residents here at Terra Messiah. This is a beautiful community. Obviously, these homes are magnificent. All the people that I visited with this morning are Americans. What my message to them was that I worked for them. As the American ambassador, the job of the embassy is to represent American people and American policy. And in representing American people, if they have grievances, we want to hear them. And today we heard them. We heard about the challenges that they face, living in their own homes, on their own property, some of the intimidation that is being carried out by people that I have characterized as being terrorist. I know that's an uncomfortable word for some people, but when you try to create an atmosphere in which people feel uncomfortable living in their own homes, their children playing in their own lawns and yards, and people feeling that they're not safe, and that they're not secure, because of the behavior, the actions, and the intimidation of others, that's terrorism by any definition, whether it's law or whether it's the dictionary. I think that the people who do these acts of criminal activity and terror are incredibly small in relationship to the total number of people who live in Judea and Samaria. Half a million Israelis, two million Palestinians live in this shared land. There may be a few hundred that are responsible, but that's a few hundred too many. And one of the messages that we have been sending, and we will continue to send, is that people in these communities have a right to live with a level of security and safety, and that the government has a responsibility to make sure that that happens. We're here today to hear their stories. I made it very clear that there are limitations in what a U.S. embassy can do in another country. We cannot investigate. We don't have that power or authority. We cannot adjudicate. We don't have that power or authority, but we can't influence, and we can call attention to things that need to be corrected. What I've not done has changed anything other than my view is that crime is crime and terror is terror, and it ought to be a consequence to the full extent of the law. All right, well, I mean, I don't know, this is, it's a mess in so many ways for my cuckabee to even say something like this, and then get rightfully asked. So if you like changed your mind completely on everything, and it's like, I haven't changed anything. I mean, this guy's on record saying there's no such thing as a Palestinian, and there's no such thing as a settlement because all of this land, as he just called it, is Judea and Samaria. So even as you call it that, yeah, well, that kind of plays into the whole biblical claim on the land, which you've openly supported. And so, look, in a way, Rob, it's kind of nice that he's at least mentioning this. I think maybe it tells you something about where the temperature in the room internationally is, that even my cuckabee would have to try to say this. Then my other thought is that it's like, okay, this is way too little, way too late. And, you know, that obviously my cuckabee just has absolutely no credibility on the issue. But, man, it sure does symbolize something. You know, I'm curious to get your thoughts on this, Rob. I guess one of the things that kind of struck me about this clip is that it seems to me, if I could analyze what's going on here, is that like, well, first of all, they're dealing with the fact that like, global opinion for Israel has plummeted, American support for Israel has evaporated. My cuckabee is seen as a complete stooge there. There's this big, you know, controversy of the horrific treatment of Jewish settlers of Palestinians in the West Bank, which has been going on for, for, you know, 60 years, but it's gotten much worse in the last few years. And, okay, so he's saying something against that. He's at least, maybe just purely for PR reasons, right? He's going to at least say one thing to me. And it just, as you see them do that, it is shocking to me, shocking that over the last three years, the Israeli PR effort hasn't made more of an effort to just do this. Instead of lashing out and calling everybody who makes this point an anti-Semite. So, Rob, do you remember what a big debate I got in for using the terrorist word to describe Israeli or US military actions? I mean, okay, he's not exactly doing that, but now we have the, my cuckabee of all people. Yeah, I guess it sure is terrorism. Now, isn't it? I don't know. There's something, something feels significant to me about him saying this, but I don't know. What are your thoughts? My takeaway was just that the, what the settlers have been up to is so egregious. He's got no choice but to actually recognize it and admit it. Because like, there's just, there's no other way for him to put it. And I guess if there was an incident where American citizens were terrorized, I don't know the specific, I saw a different clips. I don't know the specific incident that happened here, but as the American ambassador, you know, something can just happen that's so egregious. He got no choice but to recognize it. He just have a bit of a intellectual issue. If he's going to go, hey, it's only a few hundred that are terrorists. Well, then it kind of makes it hard to excuse what just happened in Gaza, because you didn't really give the same courtesy to all the non-terrorists that live there. But even so, it is, it is an interesting turning of the tides, because usually it's what you, what you were saying, which is where the most moral army and anything and otherwise is just you being an anti-Semite. And usually they use like that extremely bold legal lawyer language to try and just create a case and censor anybody with a diverging opinion. So it is what happened, just must have been so egregious that even Micah could be has to call that terrorism. >> Yeah. And look, man, I mean, look, this really does actually get down to the heart of the whole thing, right? And this is, you know, separate from obviously the question of the US-Israeli relationship and Israeli influence and all that stuff, but just in terms of like the Israel-Palestine conflict. And this is the real problem that you've had. I did have a good rant about this, I think, on Pierce Morgan to close the show today, but because Will Chamberlain, of course, who just serves as the perfect foil to debate with. But he said something about how he goes, look, this is a problem, but it's an internal matter. You know, because it's an internal matter under Israeli sovereignty. And so this is like the game that the Israelis essentially play, right? I mean, when you really think about this, right, Rob? If you think, like if you know the history of it, in 1940. And again, none of this is even debatable. This is just what the history of the conflict is. In 1947, the UN had their partition recommendation. The UN General Assembly recommend dividing the land of historically known as Palestine into a Jewish state and in Arab state. And it was like, if I get the numbers right, it was something like 56% of the land was going to be the Jewish state and 44% of it was going to be the Arab state. And the Arabs really objected to this because they were like the majority of the population and the majority of the property owners. And it had only been recently that this major influx of Jewish people had come, like even just a couple decades earlier, the Arabs were like 80, 90% of the population. So like, if this was like, well, what the fuck, they're taking over our whole shit. So there's a problem with that, not saying, in hindsight, a lot of the Israelis argue they should have taken that deal, or I'm sorry, a lot of the Israelis argue that they should have taken that deal. And in hindsight, like maybe they should have, but then again, who knows. But anyway, so a civil war kicks off, then the next year and 48 may have 48, I believe, the other Arab countries invaded. The whole war gets fought. The Israeli militias dominate and win the war. They've got, you know, these guys have funding and arms and international financing behind them. They destroy all these puny little armies. And then they take a lot more than the 56%. You know, they won the war and they go, yeah, we're taking like, essentially what was 78% of the whole thing, just leaving Gaza, which was occupied by the Egyptians for the next 20 years and the West Bank, which was occupied by the Jordanians for the next 20 years. So essentially, the Jewish state got made in 78% of the territory rather than the 56% that they were, that they had accepted. By the way, the Jews had accepted that. So it was that. So then, you know, in 1967, Israel launches a preemptive war against Egypt. Jordan gets involved. They fight again. Israel wins on both sides of the war and they take Gaza and the West Bank and East Jerusalem. And now this is all, you know, been controlled by Israel. So like, just to be clear, Gaza, fast forward, Gaza has been destroyed. Gaza no longer exists. So whatever percentage of the 22% Gaza was, that's gone. This is like, you're like talking about what, Rob? Like, area A of the West Bank, like, what are we even down to at this point? This isn't 22%. This isn't even like 15%. This isn't even like, you're like down to like a little kind of stuff. And even there, the settlements are expanding every year. And there's constant violence being launched against against the Palestinian population. But, but when they do that, right, when they, this terrorism that, that Mike Hulkebi is talking about, how was that treated, Rob? That's treated as a crime. You're an Israeli citizen, and you committed a crime, if you're ever punished for this. Meaning like you would get arrested, you would go to trial, you would, you know, you know, like Will Chamberlain said, an internal dispute. And what do we do with internal criminal disputes in modern nation states? You get a lawyer with a suit and you face a judge in a robe and there's a jury of your peers and you get a process by which to go through. However, Rob, okay? If say on October 7th, let's say some of the Palestinians commit a crime against the Israelis. Let's say, by the way, in the West Bank, let's say they, they beat up an IDF soldier or push an IDF soldier or get in a fight with a settler. Oh, Rob, they don't have any of those rights. Now this is an international dispute. Now this is terrorism and essentially has now, and I said this on the show today, I go and this, you know, this is the essence of the genocide claim, right? This is why people say genocide not just a war, not just an attack. It's not, Ben Shapiro can say, well, the definition of genocide is destroying an entire group. But that's not the definition. It's like the intent to destroy in part or in whole a group. And to me, whether you like the word or not, the thing that starts to get what the Israelis are doing into like now, Stalin, Hitler, territory is that essentially like these are your people. Like Wil Chamberlain's right. You've had control of them since 1967. Like you can't do this thing where like your guy, even if Mike Huckabee is finally calling him a terrorist, the legal status quo, if that's true, is that the Israeli terrorist gets treated like a criminal. And the Arab criminal gets treated like a terrorist every single time. And that's just, it's just indefensible. Like in the same way that you might, some people might, and we could question this as much as you want to, but like some people might think that if Germany attacked America, that we have the right to like level Germany to the ground. Now I don't, I'm not saying I would agree with that or you would agree with that, but many people would feel that way. But no one thinks that like if the bloods break out of the south side of Chicago and go on a murder spree in a nice neighborhood in Chicago and kill a bunch of them, that the local police department can just like level the south side, indiscriminately caring about like what innocent black people are in there who never attacked anyone in Mike Huckabee's own words. It's just a few hundred of them, you know, like it's not that many people who do that. Well, how many people committed October 7th? How many people committed October 7th? Well, just a few hundred of them, man. Okay, but that didn't stop you from destroying the whole place. So anyway, with the example of Chicago, we recognize that as being totally different. And like that's important. And in Israel, I don't see how you can avoid that distinction. 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And the Rocahana thing, just a few weeks before that. You know, there's stories like this all the time. And like, you know, Pierce Morgan, this is one of the great services that that show does. I mean, I should say like, dude, sometimes it's these ones that I didn't really enjoy like today. But so I've had some of my favorite moments on that show. And then he's had some great ones. The one where he interviewed that famous settler, lady from the West Bank, just hear her talk about what it is to be a human or who actually has rights or what, you know, it's like, there is what you get. And this has been true from the beginning of Israeli society. But it's still very true today in the West Bank. And I think it used to be more true in like the villages in the South that were close that bordered Gaza and maybe like in East Jerusalem and areas like that. But now it's really, it's the settlements in the West Bank. There's there are no more settlements in Gaza that you get, you get the most fanatic, the most fanatical members of of Israeli society move there. All the people who move there move their believing. What might Kaka be believes, you know, that God has granted all of this land. And I'm sorry dude, but like, Rob, we heard that come out of your mouth that you believe that God like has a covenant with this human government that exists in Israel and that it's their right to take all of this land. Now what would be included in that land, Rob is obviously what you call Judea and Samaria. And so like, when you, if you're going to tell people that this is your land given to you by God, and then you move there and there's other people who weren't given it by God inhabiting the place, this is a very awkward situation for then Mike Huckabee to turn around and go, whoa, whoa, why are you acting like that? Why are you acting like God chose you over these people and you could do whatever you want to them and never have to face any punishment? You know, I don't know, it seems like for a Baptist preacher like Mike Huckabee, I would think like wouldn't haven't you, isn't there some ultimate like spiritual incentive that you are somewhat guilty of taking away from these people by essentially telling them that God's on your side in this fight. If God wants you to take this land and move people off of that land, that's a very different message than, say, telling you that you're going to have to answer to God for anything you ever do to one of these innocent Palestinians would seem to me what the Baptist preacher might think about saying, but who am I to lecture? Him on that. Anyway, any other thoughts, Rob? Are you going to move on to Trump? Trumps, dude, look, when Donald Trump wasn't so bad on everything, maybe we tried our best to look past how retarded he is on economics. But did you, well, I said this video, Rob, and then you sent a truth social post that Donald Trump posted and they kind of nicely complement each other. Maybe we could go through both of these. Let's do the clip first. But here is Donald Trump. I think he's talking about trade deficits or tariffs or something. Let's play the clip and assess how bad this actually is. Explain. We could do tremendous good for ourselves, but just not trading with countries. We lose with the European Union $200 billion a year. If I didn't trade with them, we'd lose nothing. Just one swipe of the pen. We lose with Mexico $195 billion a year. But don't trade with Mexico. They have nothing that we have to have. I mean hot tamales, tomatoes, a couple of things, but basically they have nothing that we need. We have oil, we have everything. I don't want to do that because we get along very well with the president. We like the president respect her a lot. Just pause it already for a second. We didn't want to trade with Mexico. This just isn't fair. I don't know. It's not fair. I have a sinus infection. I don't feel like what this is just Rob. I mean, to just think about this for a second, how scary is it that it's just like, dude, he he doesn't know anything. I mean, what is this worldview that he just espoused if we just didn't trade with the rest of the world, we'd be way better off. Okay. Well, first of all, sir, you're going to have to call off this blockade of the Strait of Hermos because you are helping the Iranians very much by not letting them trade with the rest of the world. I mean, why would you ever? We should put a naval blockade on ourselves. We could make ourselves so much richer by just not trading with the rest of the world. And why is this Rob? Because we lose, we lose. And then he starts calling out trade deficits. It is, it seems almost certain at this point that he has no idea what a trade deficit is. Absolutely no idea. This is on the level of saying, what a trade deficit refers to is not, I know people are used to the term deficit and debt referring to government debt, like they're taking your money and wasting it. And now you owe all of that money. Like that's that's that's not what a trade deficit is, dude. A trade deficit is more like companies are buying things from other places. That's what a trade deficit is. A trade deficit is like you go to the supermarket every week. You have a huge trade deficit with the supermarket. You have 100% trade deficit with me. I do. Yeah. Oh no. Oh my god, that's true. That is totally true. I have a 100% I just pay you money. And all you do is show up and do the work. This is ridiculous, dude. I'm getting ripped off. You my supermarket. I should just not eat anymore. You know, I should not eat. I should not have a podcast. I should not, I'd be so much better off. I just didn't trade with anybody else. I literally think of extrapolate it to the individual. That's what it's saying. You'd be so much wealthier if you just made everything yourself because because literally essentially, right? This is how most people interact with the world. I mean, don't give me wrong. The exceptions to this would be like if you invested, if you invest in a company or if you save money or stuff like that, which is great if you're if you're able to do it. But for the most part, you work, people work, they make money and then they spend their money on the things that they want. So when you're spending your money on the things that you want, that's a 100% trade deficit. You're just you're giving them money and they're giving you stuff. So at the end of the year, I could sit here and go, dude, I have a $10,000 trade deficit with the supermarket, which I don't know. These days, that might be a pretty good year. But I have a $10,000 trade deficit with the supermarket. So I would have been so much better off if I just didn't buy groceries all year long. No, you would have starved to death if you didn't buy groceries all year long. This doesn't mean anything. And I'm sorry, like people can have whatever feelings they have. There are some sophisticated arguments that have been made about economic trade policy. The idea that we'd be better off if we just didn't trade with the rest of the world is Rob, no hyperbole here, that is as as backward as any communist idea about economics. You're saying something that what would be the effects Rob of literally I try to think this through for a second, but what would be the effects of America tomorrow no longer trading with the rest of the world? In economic cataclysm that would make the Great Depression look like nothing, I think is a fair say. So to frame that as that would be really great is a starting point of like, if you know, if my marriage were to end in a murder suicide, that would be the best case scenario. Like no, no, no, no, no, this is you have just laid out the nightmare worst case scenario, not a good one. Bad place to start any thoughts on that before we throw it back. But hey, we'd save $200 billion by cutting off Europe and cutting off Mexico. Yes, that's right. No concerns for what that might do to good services and prices, but you know, we'd save 200 billion. This, what comes to mind is I mean, I used to take a lot of live comments and run your mouth. I stopped doing that. And during the tariff times, when people were very upset, if you were against the tariffs, because they're really into getting their manufacturing jobs, I came across a lot of arguments where, yeah, but let's say you live in a town and someone comes into the town and you hire them for something and then they leave with your money, then the money left the town. And I was like, yeah, but all right, let's say you've got a tractor that doesn't work. A guy comes into the town, he fix your tractor and then he leaves. He didn't get nothing. You now boosted your productivity or let's say the guy comes into your town and he helps you plant your field for the next season. You don't have nothing. You got all the future of all the fruit that's going to come from your field or whatever the hell you grew. And then also why is in your example just somebody's leaving the town and no one's ever coming to the town with money? Why is it just a one way out street? And I don't know. People seem to have this weird idea when it comes to economies that money leaving the economy means that that's the end of the economy that you haven't gotten anything from it. That's what Trump seems to think here is there's $200 billion that are going to broadens that means it's lost. It's not lost. That means somebody that could by the way you could theoretically have a tech manufacturer that produces all of its equipment wherever brings it in here and then it sells it in this country. That's not lost. That's all the profit that the company made here, all the jobs that it generates here. But there's there seems to be some just lost idea and economics that if the money is spent elsewhere, then that means it's lost and that there was nothing that was gained through what you purchased with it. It's not, you know what I mean, it's not flushed out the toilet. Yeah, either you either purchase goods and services that improves your position or you purchase a good that you're going to use to build your next good or go sell. It's not lost. Right. Right. And right, like in a scenario like that, I mean, it is funny because you have someone literally sitting there like even in the scenario they laid out, you're like, wait, so this guy, what was it he fixed? This guy fixed. No, I was saying, I just, I changed the equation, the example that they like to use is someone comes into the town, they get hired to do something, they leave with the money. But I'm like, only one side of the equation, that means that they perform something that you saw. Yeah, they came in, but I just mean in the more abstract, you could just look at this and be like, that guy came in here and did some work and then walked off with our pieces of paper. Like this is the great crime. This is the great crime that's been committed. This guy came in here and was productive and then left with paper, you know, and don't give me wrong because I understand he always saying, yes, the paper is worth value, right? But again, if you, to your example, you hire someone to fix your motorcycle or whatever and then they leave town, it's like, look, you decided, if I pay you 50 bucks to fix my motorcycle, I decided in that moment that it was worth it to me to part with the $50 for to have my motorcycle fixed. Like I valued that more than the 50 and you valued the 50 more. So you're just like, look, already on the trade, you're ahead. Now if you want to tell me that somehow you think because he's not spending that $50, now I could kind of get an abstract, the argument that like, hey, look, if he spent that $50 down at the local general store, well, I know Bob and I like Bob down at the general store and I bobbled up or whatever and maybe there's a velocity effect of the money and then that gets spent a couple more times in our town and it helps more people that I know. Like, okay, but then if you wanted to say that would be perhaps a reasonable argument for saying, so hire someone locally to fix it. If you don't want to hire the guy who's not for like, if you want to go down to the mom and pop store in your town to kind of keep supporting your town, these are economic decisions rub that we make every day. All the time, I've decided to buy pairs of shoes at the shoe store here in my little town, which are like 30% higher than if I were to go to the mall, but I like this little store. I like them. So I buy it that like, there are things like that, but just to be clear, there is no rip off there. Like even going the other way, like, like, look, if there was a guy, a local guy who would do it for cheaper than maybe that does make economic sense to go find. But presumably, if you really care about your town and you hired this guy who's leaving, maybe he was a little bit cheaper, maybe he could do it a little bit quicker. So you still got some value out of this. And then Rob, and I try to make this point a lot, but this one I think is the most important one. If somebody takes paper money out of your town, they have not damaged you. Like, that is just not true. They haven't the fact that you traded something for them and they took money. It's not like, it's just not a, it's not a zero sum game, it's not a fixed pie. Now, I talk about this a lot with when people talk about the rich people hoarding their wealth, you go, yeah, but what are they doing with it? What do you mean by this? Like, it's like almost this feeling that the rich people just get the wealth and then hoard it. It's like, dude, they're either investing their money, they're saving their money, or if they're are just stuffing it under their mattress, then they're essentially making your money more valuable. Like, it's just not true. The idea that if you trade with someone, there has to be something there where like someone's getting ripped off in this scenario, but you're naming your better off because your motorcycle got fixed. That guy's better off because he made the 50 bucks. You both made a trade that you valued and then whoever he goes and does business with is also better off. It's literally just everyone being better off, which there are situations like that. Just like, like imagine in life, you're like in a gym. You're all working out in a gym and like no one really knows what they're doing. And then one trainer walks in and goes, hey, you guys want to watch me and just follow my form. Like, everyone's better off now. There was no loser in this equation. And these guys, it's amazing how like Rob economic fallacies always come back to making you think someone's ripping you off when they aren't. And then ignoring when they actually are ripping you off. All right, guys, let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today's show, which is super power. You know, everybody always has a plan to get healthier and exercise more and eat better and things like that. 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Yeah, well, it's this is an extension of Donald Trump's broken logic. Let's read his truth social. Okay, yeah, let's go to that. Let's go to the truth social. Please, this is pretty good. Okay, so you want to do it? You want to do a little Trump here, Rob? Oh, I don't want to read this in Trump. Great job number. Great job number is just announced. All right, great job number is just amount breaking all estimates except mine by double and triple. And you haven't seen anything yet. Employers added 162,000 jobs in August. Lower the interest rates because the USA is a much stronger credit than it was just a short time ago. A strong country means a lower interest rate. It's a better credit. Very simple. Just shout sentence fragments at you. We should have the lowest rate of any country in the world like the old days without the United States agreeing to allow them their big surpluses. And we could stop that immediately. They would no longer be considered financially elite. Lower the rate or all stop trading with countries with which we have a deficit. We stopped the US. Oh, okay. Yeah, go ahead. Okay, listen, there's a lot in here to take on, but that that that last line is what really just stands out to me because so if you thought the policy, why are you threatening us with what you see as economic doom and gloom to try and force the hand of the federal reserve to lower the interest rate? Either you believe that not trading to lower deficit actually helps in which case, regardless of what the Fed does, you should engage in the policy that you think works. But in this case, he seems to be lobbying it as a threat where he understands that it is bad economic policy, but he's stating that he will gain engage in bad economic policy and hurt our economy to force for a lower interest rate. So I mean, that was the biggest thing that stands out to me. The other thing is just if you've got inflation and more jobs, I think that would be more of a reason to raise interest rates. And then also, I mean, historically to say this country was great when they were at zero, they were at zero post oh eight. And I think historically more the average is seven to eight percent. It's gone as high under vulgar as 18 percent. So I don't think it's historically accurate. If you look at the 1950s or whatever timetable he thinks is incredible, maybe the 20s which led to a crash, but I don't think there's too many time periods where we were at zero percent interest rate in this country or lower percent. No, no, no. He only it's Obama. The only period he's talking about is the Obama years. So that's not quite something. That's the time period that is make America great again. Because I guess you never find it. He's talking about the Obama years. The time period that was the lowest interest rate time period. The only time period where we floored it with like a fed fund zero percent rate or whatever. These are the Obama years, the quantitative easing years. And I guess a little bit of COVID and a little bit during COVID. So these are the Obama years were so bad that we elected Donald Trump. That's what he thinks we should go back to because absolutely no, that's right. Rob, they were in the teens under vulgar during the Reagan administration. He ain't talking about Reagan. And I was talking about the 1950s or anything like that. Yeah, even in the 1920s and the roaring 20s, we don't have zero percent interest rates that they were very artificially low. And there was a lot of money printing for sure. And yeah, right. For obvious reasons, you maybe wouldn't want to go back to the roaring 20s as your golden economic policy. If you like, how'd they end? And I got more on this. Wait, I got just two more points. Okay. One is also the fact that the greatness of a country is relative to its low interest rate. I would think the greatness of a country is relative to the stability of the paper. And so a higher interest rate would mean that the holding the paper is actually more valuable and that you're robbing people of less of their wealth through inflation. So I don't really understand the equation there. And then lastly, if you want to get at the trade deficit, the nature of the trade deficit is that people lend us more money so that we can buy more of their shit that we otherwise couldn't afford. And so if you want less trade deficit, you'd actually want a higher interest rate. I mean, the two were kind of in the loss. Look, I think you might you might get into a little bit of a dicey water there. I think I look, I would just say it like I would kind of reframe it as look again, like if you if you really try to reduce this again to like my like desert island thing or say like, you know, you're on a desert island where there's apple trees everywhere. It's as easy as walking over and picking one to get an apple. How much can anyone sell an apple for? Well, you could recognize the price is going to be incredibly low because you can just walk over there and pick one. So how much can I possibly charge you for something you just have the option of going and getting yourself? But now if you make it there's a desert island and there's this dangerous sharky water and then on an island over there, there's an apple. There's no apples here. Well, now someone has to risk their life to go get this apple. How much are they going to sell? It's going to be incredibly hot. So like prices are supposed to dictate economic realities. The interest rate is supposed to be a reflection of what? Savings. The things are supposed, it's the price of money. And so in any type of market system, interest rates are going to be dictated by whether you have a whole lot of savings. So if Donald Trump wants to say a strong country would have low interest rates, I suppose Rob, you could say, yes, a country that had a very like a strong country might have a very high productive capacity, which means they're producing a lot. And then people might save a lot of money. And then because there's a lot of capital saved, there's a lot of capital investment and therefore, you know, like it's cheaper to borrow money. But the point is to to have a society where everyone's in debt, and not just everyone's in debt, like they're just crushing wreck, you know, when you go through like the derivative numbers, it's like hundreds of trillions of dollars and the unfunded liabilities and the entitlement programs are at least tens to hundreds of trillions of dollars and unfunded liabilities, depending on how you measure it, forty trillion dollars of national debt. say that the interest rates should be low. In a consumer based debt based society is like, I don't know. It's like saying that like being on heroin is the sign of a healthy person, like no, having, having low interest rates in this environment is absolute madness. So let me, let me think that's really where it gets. Let me, let me say a little bit differently. A lower interest rate would allow you to fund more of a, more trade deficit. Yes, that is, that is a fair point. To run more of a trade deficit. Yes. And also if you're interested in trying to have American jobs, the inflation that you're going to create is going to continue to price up your labor against other areas. You're going to be losing more jobs. Yes, no, I think there's no, no question about that. And, and, and your, your broader point overall that like if you want to break that the economy's humming, then that's an argument for raising rates. It's not an argument for, for lowering them. So it's, yeah, I, there's, there's a bunch of in here that's just crazy. But again, just kind of what it's, it's like all Donald Trump seems to know. And there's something really, I don't know, there's something dark about watching it. But it's like, as Donald Trump is spinning more and more out of control, you know, it's just more and more of these D day threat type shit, whether it's the best in D day thing, whether it's bridge and power plant day or wipe your civilization off the map, or it says, we'll cut off trade with all nations. Does anybody, does anybody believe that Donald Trump has the authority, the political will that anything to actually follow through on that threat? No, it's just, just the most like, and the more he goes to the well, the lesser, do you remember, Rob? With Connor McGregor, they used to call him Mystic Mac. This was like his negative because he would call his own shots. He'd be like, I'm going to fight Jose Aldo and I'm going to knock him out in the first round. He'll come at me with the overhead right and I won't be there. And I'll catch him with the left and he'd call it perfect every time. And then he just can't make him predictions, predictions, and after a while, he had made so many that just didn't come through that they're like, they're worthless. And now you've got the commander in chief has like completely boy who cried wolfed himself out of just any of these threats, meaning anything that's true, that with it's just, it's like, it's like he's just spaszing out as he knows he's going down. It's rough. Yeah. And if you got more economic uncertainty about the president's trade policy that would actually drive up prices, the last thing you're going to do is lower rates because threat. I mean, it's just hilarious to threaten ourselves to try and get an outcome. But the reason why Powell was reluctant to lower rates was because he said, there's too much going on. And we don't we don't have a clear picture. And that was essentially the terror policies we're driving up prices. So it's funny that like, firstly, it's hilarious to threaten bad policy. I guess that you recognize as bad policy against ourselves. I mean, that just that that's cartoonish. But then also the lever he's looking to push would just be more of a need to move up interest rates to combat prices, prices going up. Yeah. No, that's right. That's right. And and this is of course the real, the tight spot that the Fed has painted itself into over the last 15 years. Is that yeah, you're kind of no matter. Well, yes, that's right. Well, they can just kind of at this point, either screw you going or coming. It's like, look, either we're going to really slow down the economy or we're going to kill you with with more price inflation. I think the one of the important kind of takeaways from all this too is just that look, Donald Trump he really doesn't. And I hear the two guys on Pierce Morgan today and all of them, you know, of course, they're bragging about this jobs report. Look, it's better than maybe some had predicted. It would be. But again, this is like, you know, this, it just wreaks of Joe Biden talking about how hamburger buns are actually down during the worst inflation crisis or going, remember whatever it was, Rob was like, well, if you just do, yeah, it was like, if you just do baked beans and hamburger buns is actually cheaper than last year's fourth of July. Like, yeah, but people really like me, you know, and like, it's just so you're just your heart, but look, the major problem, like the major fundamental problems, whether it's like the corruption in DC or even the demographic change in America, the crushing debt, the warfare state that never runs out of a fight. And the fact that prices are just crushing everybody, that life is just so expensive, none of that's been addressed. And every bit as much as the war is a disaster, all this economic like tariff policy, all of it is just been, they got nothing man. I mean, they want to say vaguely, the big, beautiful bill did great things and it's just kicking in or whatever, but they got like, they got really going into these midterms, Rob. Nothing to look to. This is just so obviously like, you know, this guy's crazy. He doesn't have any theory. He's all over the place. He's threatening what would be a calamity and he's not going to follow through. And none of this is going to work. Just a really bad spot to be in going into the midterms. Let's just let's finish the truth. We'll sort of read the last couple of minutes. Finish the truth social and then we'll call it a day. Sorry, let me read it off here. Sorry, where was I? Which the US Supreme Court in its ridiculous and very costly tariff decision strongly acknowledged the president has an absolute right to do. It's better than tariffs. The fed board with his great new leader must get smart. Be patriots for a change. High interest rates put the USA in a very unfair disadvantage and I won't allow that to happen. President Donald J Trump. There you go. All you need to do, I guess, is have Obama's monetary policy. And that should solve all these issues. Yeah, like, I mean, again, there's also something to be said for the fact that there are market forces at work even on, you know, in pretty statused environments. Like, you know, you could sit here and say all you want that America's debt is a great investment and you say we're so great that the interest rate should be very low. But it's going to get harder and harder to find people who believe that and who want to buy it. So, you know, we'll see, dude, but the idea that after all after decades of again, objectively, these are objective standards. Over the last 20 years, interest rates have been lower than at any period of time in the history of American monetary policy. Between the quantitative easings and all, I mean, the interest rates were put to zero and held there for damn near a decade. And then they went right back down there during COVID for a bit there before they ended up raising them up. If there was a problem that low interest rates were going to solve, we would have more than solved that problem by now. And of course, what low, low interest rates are a big part of how this whole game gets rigged. You know, it's not just the inflation problem, Rob, but it's like, when you, when you lower interest rates, you know, you give a huge advantage to people who are borrowing big amounts of money, you know, and you get, and that is people, you know, it's, it's a tremendous advantage to the speculators because everybody needs to speculate to get a little bit of interest on something. You know, people can no longer, I mean, you tell me like what sounds like more of a give away to the super rich, like having an old lady who can just put her money in a CD and get a reasonable rate of return on that or when she has to give it over to Wall Street. I mean, you know, you tell me. All right, that's our episode for today. Catch you guys tomorrow. Peace.