The Ilhan Omar Brother and Sister Mystery, Plus Key "You Can See Everything" Reference, and Victoria's Secret Fashion Show Uproar | Ep. 1421

Welcome to the Megan Kelley show live on Sirius XM channel 111 every weekday at NEAST. Hey everyone, I'm Megan Kelley, welcome to the Megan Kelley show and happy Monday. We have so much to get to today. So first of all, I want to see the Elizabeth Holmes documentary on, I don't know what at night was, over the weekend with Doug. I'm going to say this, go see it. I think it's worth your time. It's three hours long. I did not find the big shocking twist as shocking as everybody else did. You are kind of like, what's happening? What is this? I'm not going to spoil for you, but like, it's not as shocking as it was built up to be. However, it's fun to be surprised. You know, like we don't often get that at the movies, whether it's in a thriller or a drama or a documentary. Like, it's tough to surprise you and to have filmmakers who take a risk and do something away, you definitely have never seen before and didn't anticipate is fun. And here's the other thing, I'll say about it. Doug and I bought tickets and you know how like now at most movie theaters, you can reserve them online and you can reserve your seats. And you know, we did choose two seats, but I never think about it much because the movie theaters are always empty and like whatever seats you get, you can move your seats. Like nobody's ever there. You know, at most you have like 12 people in the theater these days. I don't know if you've been to the movies at all lately, but that's been my experience over the past couple of years. So we walked in a little late and thank God we had reserved decent seats because ours were the only two in the theater that were empty. It was packed. It was like, it used to be in the 90s, everybody had failed to seat. I mean, every single seat in the theater was filled. I think people were excited by the fact that the movie just hit this weekend and there had been so much buzz about its big twist. All the reviews I read said was expect a big twist involving a well-known actress that did deliver. Again, I'm not going to ruin it for you. That did deliver, but I will tell you this. I'm going to take a deeper dive into this later this week, okay? But I'll tell you this. As I watched it, and I got two thirds of the way into it, there is an explosive scene involving said actress, which made very clear to me why this is so beloved by the critics and many of the audience members. It did go political in this scene. It went political over someone who I happened to love. His name is Charlie Kirk, and it was fucking ridiculous. It was ridiculous. And I was in the midst of a bunch of leftists in the theater and I'm not going to ruin it for you again, but his name came up and one person was shitting all over Charlie and one person was defending him. The person who was shitting all over Charlie is the person who's supposed to be heroic in this film. And the person who was defending him emerges as the villain of the entire movie. So it's just, you can't go anywhere. You cannot, as a right-leaning, independent or a conservative in America. You cannot go anywhere without having your core beliefs or people you admire or love. Trump dawn by a Hollywood machine that just doesn't give two shits about you. Now does this make me want to say don't, don't go see the movie too? No, it doesn't. I mean, I, I would still have gone to see it, even if I'd been told this. I could understand why you might not. It's not a political movie except for in this one instance. But of course, that's how it had to play out, right? Of course, and of course they would build as a hero, the one, and as a dirt bag the other, and use this scene to really underscore the point, like what kind of an asshole would defend Charlie Kirk and what kind of an asshole, and what kind of a hero wouldn't see what an asshole Charlie was. So it's just, it was just maddening, very annoying, and offensive. And there were people in our theater, you know, I live in Connecticut, who were completely against Charlie. I mean, they had obviously been so manipulated by the Nicole Hannah Joneses of the world into thinking he was this terrible racist, sexist, whatever, it's just really disturbing. It's very disturbing to me on how a man's legacy can be so manipulated by a leftist media designed to ruin him, even when he was murdered in such a horrible fashion that any normal human would have ongoing empathy for him and his memory. You don't have to love him, but like to treat him like he's, like someone said the words Hitler is great, the audience was recoiling at the defense of Charlie in this one scene. So anyway, more on this later because it's a, we're basically now in a fight for the narrative around Elizabeth Holmes, what she did, whether she's a villain, whether she belongs in prison and so on. And we will be taking up that battle as the week goes on. First though, we want to get to the latest on the investigation into ill on Omar because some bombshells dropped over the weekend. As we've been reporting, the Democratic Congresswoman is under federal investigation for possible immigration fraud as well as possible fraud around her financial disclosures. Federal agents rated her DC residents this day last week. It's been seven days now. And the Wall Street Journal reports that the Trump administration is aiming to build a case that strips her of her citizenship. Again, that's not a surprise. We've figured that out. If as we discussed on Friday, she even is a citizen right now, that's the most interesting wrinkle to me. I mean, if you didn't see our shows last week, go back and watch Friday because there is a possibility, like better than average possibility that ill on Omar is not an improperly naturalized US citizen, but that she may be an illegal alien, not here lawfully at all. We apparently have not been able to find the paperwork or at least the person who ran against her in a primary in Minnesota in 2019, AJ Kempt made two official requests of the citizens and immigration services and of DHS saying, please provide ill on Omar's father's naturalization papers. And they were not retrievable. They sent her back certificate of missing documents. And her alleged citizenship is only derivative of her fathers. She was allegedly a minor. That's another thing the DHS does not appear to believe of her when her father was naturalized. So there are real questions about whether he really was naturalized, whether she could have gotten derivative naturalization because she may have been an adult and whether any of that paperwork ever happened at all or whether they just continued living here illegally and pretended to be naturalized citizens. I have no idea. I'm sure it's all on the list of what's being investigated. But here was the bombshell our pal Leland Vitter of news nation dropped on Friday night with it with taking this thing next level and showing us just how seriously the feds are taking this and how expansive the investigation into her and potentially her families alleged wrongdoing really is. Watch. Multiple sources have confirmed to me that federal agents went dumpster diving to get DNA from Minnesota, Congress went Ilhan Omar and her family before that blockbuster raid on her DC home earlier this week. Sources tell me that the likely coming indictments will be stunning in nature and far beyond anything the public has understood the case to be about. Punting, but the indictments will be stunning and far beyond what anyone is expecting and that there was a DNA dumpster dive. I mean, now that that is shocking. A DNA dumpster dive definitely means that they were that they're looking into the familial relations and trying to figure out once and for all what's what. What really is what who's who is related to whom who married whom and just how widespread is the fraud inside of this family. I want to just tell you a little bit more about that Leland Vitter news. We cut it short, but there was more. So he said the indictments will be stunning far beyond anything we've understood this case to be about that federal agents collected garbage in the hopes of obtaining DNA of Omar and her family before last Monday's raids pointed out that multiple sources familiar with the probe told news nation that potential DNA evidence is quote critical to the investigation into Ilhan Omar. They say the case is broader than the than the public may assume based on longstanding accusations surrounding her immigration history or a marital status broader than her immigration history or her marital status and that the DNA evidence is critical to the investigation. When I'm to say the investigation encompasses family members of Ilhan Omar, quote, "with evidence expected to go before a grand jury," federal agents, as we reported earlier, seized Omar's phone, and that there were more than a dozen raids actually occurring simultaneously last Monday. We also reported that to you that there had been multiple raids. It wasn't just to Ilhan Omar's residents more than a dozen. Now that means it goes beyond family. She doesn't even have that many family members that we know of. They, Leland also reported that the case is being coordinated within the Minneapolis office of Homeland Security Investigations, suggesting it may be related to public benefits fraud committed by some members of the Somali immigrant community in the region, because there was a question about why is it being run out of Minnesota instead of D.C. That they're also assisting, Jeanine Piro is on Fox saying that last week, but why? Why is the center of the investigation in Minnesota? There could be all sorts of reasons. The warrant remains sealed, so we just don't know. We do know it was a Democrat magistrate judge who is apparently Hillary Clinton donor who signed off on the search warrant. While Ilhan Omar's team is trying to make some noise about the search, the raid exceeded the bounds of the warrant. Multiple officials have come out in the papers over the weekend saying that's absolutely not true, and they're not dumb. They've operated within the terms of the warrant and that these are just the complaints of someone who is trying to make hay of the investigators as she tries to distract from the investigation. Now, the New York Times also reported Friday night that investigators have been examining family text messages taken from the phone of Omar sister, Sarah Noor. Now, Sarah, I think that's how you pronounce it, S-A-H-R-A, was the other sister to be brought to America with Ilhan back in 1995. And this is when she was alleged of the 12 years old. Ilhan Omar and Sarah was the other sibling who came with her and their dad. And they all pretended to be Omar's, which they're not. They're not. They're Elmys. But they came here under the Omar name because the family of Omar was reportedly getting asylum and they kind of just glummed on. Now, she has at least two brothers and we believe one additional sister named Layla who went to the UK when she and her sister Sarah came here with the dad. And this will become relevant because, you know, the one brother, the breastband would reappear in America and back in Ilhan's life. And it appears that Ilhan's been trying for years to scrub the online records of her relationship with sister Layla because sister Layla would tie her to brother Ahmed, who's her breastband. So sister Layla we believe has been over in the UK and she raised Ahmed, Ahmed. We believe she raised him. When he got over there, he was raised, there was no listed caretaker, even though he was a kid. And Layla, Ilhan's other sister, we believe, was older and there's social media between the two of them calling each other mum and son. This is, the brother is Ahmed, the one she married. And in 2000, to hold on, I read it down, I think it was 2002 and they divorced in 2009. Or maybe it was, hold on, wait, wait, I think my dates are off, strike those. I don't have it in front of me, but we'll ask our next guest because she's got it. But yeah, so they were married legally, you know, technically I should say on paper for a number of years. Yeah, February 2009, she married the breastband and they divorced in December 2017. And that's the one Ahmed, who was raised by her sister, Layla, who would later go on to scrub her social media when this came out. I'm going to get into these details in a second with our guest. But here's the story back to the sister who came over here with Ilhan and the dad in 95, Tara. Her phone was seized earlier this year by federal investigators. And the times is reporting that investigators found something on that phone that they used as the basis for the warrant to conduct that raid on Ilhan Omar's house. So that would be pretty compelling evidence. Clearly it was compelling enough that a Democrat judge did not feel he could say no. They found something on the sister's phone, which they seized that allegedly incriminated Ilhan Omar. And it was used by the feds to get a search warrant into Ilhan Omar's home. I mean, this is bad. It's bad. And the times is reporting that investigators are now attempting to show that there was a conspiracy to commit immigration fraud, conspiracy. Obviously, you need at least two people and you need overt acts at least one former president Barack Obama came out this weekend with a lengthy defense of Ilhan Omar. This is nothing new for him. He loves to weigh in on legal cases about which he knows absolutely nothing, nothing. Just to torque up the sentiment around them, and obviously what, you know, the side that Barack Obama in his infinite with infinite wisdom has deemed is correct. He doesn't know anything. This is, he claims that it's politically motivated writing in part. I mean, we'd be here all day if we read the full thing. But he wrote quote, the full weight of the federal government is being brought down on a law abiding facts, not never insur elected official because she has dared to criticize the president. He went on to say quote, the fact that any president or any administration is willing to engage in such transparent efforts to intimidate someone should outrage all Americans weird. I don't remember him weighing in during Joe Biden's reign of terror against J6 people who were just wandering around the Capitol, not those who beat cops, but the ones who were literally just wandering around the Capitol. Not to mention what was done to President Trump, to Peter Navarro, to Steve Bannon. It's weird. It's only political retribution when it's done with Donald Trump at the head of the government. Regardless of how they feel about Congresswoman Omar's political views, he continues. But because he writes, if this becomes the new normal, there's no reason to believe it will stop with her or that future presidents and either party won't do the same. It's unbelievable the how obtuse that statement is, but that's giving him too much too little credit. He's not obtuse. He knows exactly what he's saying. He just refuses to categorize what was done to Trump and Republicans under Joe Biden's reign. Not to mention what Barack Obama did to journalists like James Rosen spying on them as an outrage. He's not outraged by it. He can justify everything he did or his former vice president did once he got into the oval as president. But the evil Trump, it's a different story. Obviously, this one's political targeting. Even though the investigation into Ilhan Omar began under Joe Biden, I didn't see that in your tweet, Barack, wrestle with that one. Let's stay right over the bullseye and engage one another substantively. I'm ready. Let's do it. You and I, former lawyers, former practicing lawyers, still current lawyers. Let's go. He won't stay over the bullseye, which because he's not a truth teller, you know, as our pal Phil Houston, this by the lie, former CIA guy of over quarter century says a truth teller runs toward the truth. They don't try to avoid the fact that it began during the Biden administration. They don't try to avoid any of the pesky facts that have emerged about Ilhan Omar that have even CNN scratching its head saying, hmm, hmm, this seems troubling. In fact, why don't I just show you that in part as Jake Tapper and Ellie Honeig discussed this investigation a week minus two days ago, last Wednesday, stop for. Would it not have been wiser for the Congresswoman to have gone to the Biden Justice Department and said, this has happened and there was a mistake and I'd like to come clean and pay whatever fine. And then that way, this, you know, not left up to the Trump Justice Department. Is that, I mean, has that occurred to you or it's a really tricky dilemma that any subject of this type of investigation might have. And indeed, she might have fared better under the Biden administration, but look, it's an important point of all this. There was some investigation, as I think Evan just said, that was started under the Biden administration, re-opened under the Trump administration. So I think that's going to undermine any argument she may have down the line that this is politically selective and vindictive. But again, then again, Donald Trump has given her plenty of ammo to argue that she's being singled out for personal reasons. So that's a battle yet to come. And by the way, I don't think anyone cares. I don't think there's an American present in our minds. borders whose goal is to put Ilhan Omar behind bars so much as to get her out. If she is not a citizen, she's not a valid, verified US citizen, she needs to go. Now, if she did commit immigration fraud that hurt people, she should go into prison. I mean, whatever. She married her brother. If she lied about being here legally, the remedy for that is get out. I don't think anybody wants to take up one of our prison seats with Ilhan Omar, but if she lied, if she committed financial crimes, if she benefited unfairly by, you know, other than her immigration status, then she's gonna have to go to jail just like anybody else would. Just like anybody else would. All right, so Preya Samsondar is a former journalist for Alpha News, the great Alpha News in Minnesota, which we love. And Preya was tasked over a decade ago to look into representative Omar for the outlet. 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I myself am the daughter of immigrant, so I understand the immigration process very well because I've lived it my entire life. And so seeing Scott Johnson, you know, come out with this story about, you know, then candidate Ilan Omar, who was just beginning her political career running for office for the first time to run for the state house in Minnesota, is kind of shocking. The first kind of thought is no way. There's no way someone would do this. But we decided to dive in, follow, you know, Scott's path a little bit confirmed that what he was reporting was actually correct. So we went down, pulled those records and what we ended up finding were that there were two marriage license requests, one for her now ex-husband, and then one for her brother who has been identified very well throughout the various reporting. The one with her brother had been filed, the one with her ex-husband, excuse me, was not filed. What we ended up, she's got just to interject, she's got three husbands here. There was the first guy who was the father of her children to whom she had a Muslim wedding ceremony, meaning religious, but it was not legal as far as we know. Yes, that's correct. Then came her brother, Ahmed, Ahmed Neurocyde Elmi, her real last name is Neurocyde Elmi too. And so she was with him as I pointed out from 2009 to 2017. I think that's what I said. And then they divorced that she and the brother, because that one had been papered and then she married this guy, my net, who's got the $30 million winery that within a year went down to zero. So just to keep it straight, keep going. We're not on my net. We're talking right now about that first husband and the breastband, as they've been calling out. Yes. And what struck us is very to your point, she married the father of her children using traditional Islamic culture. So she went through the process to make sure that it was legal amongst their community, but when it came to her husband, her brother husband, she actually got married by Christian pastor in Eden Prairie. And that is who married them. That is who the state records had identified as being the individual who had married them. And that struck us as odd because if you were a practicing Muslim, this is your faith, you're taking the necessary steps to identify the father of your children as your husband in Islamic culture. But you don't have the same tradition for somebody that you did marry to the point where you're getting married by Christian pastor. That started raising red flags. So we started reporting on this. And what we ended up finding was a lot of folks within the community who were terrified to come forward because, you know, they're law-biting citizens. These are people that are trying to just make it in this country get, you know, get their version of the American dream, their opening businesses. They want a better life for their children. And so they don't want it to they don't want it to seem like their their community is full of bad eggs. But also there's fear because Ilhan Omar is running for office. There are a lot of folks that are supporting her. There's fear of retribution coming from within the community. And so a lot of these folks were terrified about stepping forward. But they would come to us anonymously and give us reporting. Give us information that we were able to verify. And this is how we started piecing together this web of who Ilhan Omar's family was. This is who her father was. This is who her brother is. And really just began feeding this information. So we would be able to know and confirm that what they were telling us was the truth. I mean it got to the point where we would I would go down to Cedar Riverside, meet with sources and in small coffee shops and we would sit down and have small tea and they would kind of explain to me the name and culture. And this is how they name their children. And this is how they carry on last days and carry on legacy. This is how they have moved through the the immigration process over the years. And so they were a wealth of knowledge. But these were also people that were just terrified at the end of the day about coming forward publicly because they were afraid of the retribution that they would face. Should they put a face to the information that was coming out against somebody within their community who is rising up to be powerful. Praya, do we know what I mean the thing I can't get past is this AJ Camp who ran against her asking immigration services and DHS for any proof of the naturalization and being told those documents don't exist. So do we know whether the father and Ilhan Omar were ever in fact naturalized. You know for all intents and purposes, you know, I don't think that ever came into question between my reporting, Scott's reporting or Dave Steinberg's reporting you carried it on long after I left alpha news. The naturalization was never the issue. Some explanations that I've heard is just that immigration records are incredibly secure. They're incredibly safe. It's not something they just hand out to anybody. And so when it comes to public records requests, they might just say that there are no publicly available documents that are available for that kind of request. And so maybe that's why that it hasn't come forward. As far as anything that I have looked into, I know Scott's looked into and Dave's looked into as well. There's nothing to suggest that they haven't been naturalized. That has never been the the question at hand. The question has always been. Well, other than the other than the response that AJ camp got. I mean that that definitely raised it. And our pal Andy McCarthy who is no slouch when it comes to his legal analysis, he also pointed out five years is an awfully fast time to go from refugee to naturalized citizen, awfully fast. They got here in 95 and by 2000. We were handing out naturalization to this dad who was very controversial and his daughters. So I think part of the process, you know, looking into that immigration process just a little bit. Obviously, you know, we know that the administrations both Clinton and Bush were kind of fast tracking some of this this refugee incoming. They were asking states to voluntarily take folks. The small community wasn't the only one at the time. We knew that no, that current immigrants were also coming in from Asia as well at that time. So whether or not they're fast tracking naturalizations at that point, we're not entirely sure. I don't think we'll ever really get a full comprehensive answer. What we do know is that at least at some point Ilhan Omar's grandfather was serving as a general in Somalia in their military. That is something that we've gotten from sources. Obviously now we're seeing with more reports about who Ilhan Omar's father actually was. We knew at that time 10 years ago that he was not the mild manner teacher that they were painting him out to me. We knew that he came from a very important family and so he would probably carry an important title as well. But also in Somalia at that time, even to now, we also know that they just don't have the level of record keeping that the United States and other more developed nations carry. So when you're thinking of the United Kingdom, you're thinking of Europe and Australia. They're not carrying the same kind of rocker keeping. So it's very easy for folks to come in and have siblings with very different names just because that's how they keep rockers. It's very chaotic. And so it's also very easy to bribe your life. Because now what's emerging is the granddad may have been a general in this army, but the dad appears to have been a colonel in said army and not some, as you point out, mild manner teacher, but a guy who is working for, I mean, a very controversial leader who's accused of killing tens of thousands of civilians, not somebody that we would had we known ever given refugee status, never mind citizenship too. So what do you think when you now see that there's not just renewed interest? Okay, so let's say President Trump doesn't like Ilan Omar and decided as he did with Tish James and James Comey possibly to push the DOJ to take a closer look at this person's behavior to see if there's a crime there. It seems to me, in the case of Ilan Omar, they struck the jackpot, whereas like they may have had to push it in some other instances. With Ilan Omar, there's just no way a federal judge would have signed off on a search warrant, which is serious business unless he was convinced there was probable cause sufficiently alleged of a crime. So do you have any idea or belief on what specifically they may be investigating? I think that they're definitely looking into all different aspects of this. I think the reality is is that they started pulling on this thread back during the Biden administration as you so rightly pointed out. This is not by any means a political witch hunt. This is about looking at where the evidence is leading them. And so I think 10 years ago, we asked a question of whether or not Ilan Omar married her brother. She has had 10 years to answer that question and to offer an explanation for why there is multiple documentation, why it is that she had a legal christian marriage with somebody who, by some only naming culture, carries the naming patterns that are associated with her family and not her, the husband that she lived with had multiple children with and up until recently was married to via Islamic customs. She has had 10 years to do that. She didn't have to answer me. I worked for alpha news, a conservative outlet. I understand why she wouldn't, maybe necessarily answer our questions of explain to us what this looks like, but the searcher boom, the associated press mainstream media after mainstream media asked her the same question and they gave her no answers. And while they may not have been able to report on it, definitely heard through the grapevine that they were all just as concerned and puzzled by the lack of response from her either. My guess is that the Biden administration should decided to pull the string a little bit, maybe to close the books on this once and for all, give the American people the answer they deserve. And what they ended up finding was a web far more complicated than Scott, myself, or David could have ever imagined. Right. Get out. Get out. Get out. Get out. This whole sweater is unraveling. We're done with this project. You actually did reach out to the, the brusband and this guy off med, right? And he, he did respond to you in August of 2016. Let's see, hold on a second, I have it here. He responded to you that he is quote, not entirely sure I'm aware of what's going on, but there seems to have been a mistake made no way am I affiliated with anyone in your articles. Nor do I recall being married to anyone, at least from what I remember. This is August of 16, in which her brother, Ahmed is definitely still married to her. She denies he's her brother, but he's totally her brother. And you're in touch with this guy who's been in the UK all this time. And he says, I, nor do I recall being married to anyone, at least from what I remember, then requested that you at alpha news, take down his image from your site and wished you luck in finding what you were looking for. I mean, that must have jumped out at you. Preya is a little odd. No, 100% and through our reporting, through the investigation and through my conversations with sources within the community, it was very clear that the brother was the black sheep of the family. He was living a very non conservative lifestyle by all measures that a well-standing family practicing the Islamic faith would expect. He was living a very gay lifestyle, like let's just call spade a spade. He was living a very gay lifestyle going to clubs and just enjoying his life the way that you would expect a regular American would do. But in Islamic culture, that's not acceptable. And so I think some of what we saw transpire between 2009 and 2016 was the father trying to bring his son back and try to write the ship a little bit and get some control over his son. Did he come back to America? He was in the UK when the family split and she and the dad came here with their sister. It looks like the two brothers and the other sister, Leila, moved to the UK. But when she married him, did he come state side? Yes, he was here for quite a few years. I believe that he ended up leaving right around 2013, 2014 if I remember correctly. He was here for quite a few years because some of the Instagram shots that we were able to recover via social media, it was very clear that he was a walling connection with Ilhan at the time. And he was posting photos from around the city that were very identifiable. He was living in Iraq. That makes sense because we did hear last week that he had applied for a permanent green card and he was denied. They wanted more information about his marriage and he withdrew the request. That wouldn't be surprising considering the information that we know. I think anybody who had done some digging into Ilhan at the time, I think that they would have discovered that this would have been something akin to green card fraud, a scam green card marriage. This is something that the United States and Immigrations and Customs has done very well over the decades. They know what to look for when it comes to signs for immigration fraud, when it comes to marriages and green card marriages. To the point where they're investigating these families, years after the marriage has occurred. And so, for- Do you make of this news about the DNA dumpster diving on the family? I mean, that's always been in question, right? Because Ilhan's never answered the question. And so, I think for any federal authority to concretely make the case outside of the social media conversations that we've been able to identify or even some of the records, being able to concretely save without a question of doubt. We've tested the DNA and we can link these individuals as members of the same family having the same bloodline. That's going to surpass any of these questions about political witch hunts. This is Donald Trump coming after immigrants or Ilhan Omar. She's got a target on her back. This is, you know, the DOJ and the individuals in DC and in Minnesota who are connecting this investigation. They're making sure without a shadow of doubt that when they come to a jury, the grand jury, when they come to these federal judges and say, "This is our case against a Congresswoman." They want it to be known without a shadow of a doubt to any jury members to judge to the American people that this is not done out of political malice, but this is done because someone has broken the laws of this country and they try to get over and over and over again. Yeah. Here, this guy, Ellie Mistel writes for the nation and this was his take on what's happening with Ilhan Omar. He writes, "The attack on Omar should be viewed as an attack on every immigrant, every person of color and every Every outspoken activist in this country, the Trump administration is saying that no matter who you are, they, the white people in charge can make you disappear. He writes, "People doing this to Ilan represent the very worst this country has to offer at the idea that no matter what you have, the white man can take it from you whenever he feels like it." Your thoughts on that one? Well, I'm the daughter of immigrants and my parents got married, the legal in the right way. I've seen my parents have told me the stories of how they got married and how my mom came to this country and how they did it the right way. I've seen it firsthand. It can be done when you do it correctly. My parents would be the first people to tell you, if you can't respect what this country has to offer, if you're going to look at it like it's a villain, then why do you want to be here? I think there are so many immigrants across this country who have come here the right way, who have come here the legal way, and they look at the situation and they shake their head because they understand that it makes life harder for them as they try to build a life based on the American dream that they've heard so much about. America is the greatest country in the world. There's a reason why that everybody that does not live here wants to be here. I think for so many people, like my parents, they look to Ilhan Omar and they shake their head and they're like, if you're breaking the laws of this country, then you should face the consequences. And if you have it, the business, then somebody's got to have to hold you to account. The business about the family and the split is relevant because the only sister, and this is based on the reporting that you started that David Steinberg continued and Scott Johnson as well, who I recently found out is Eliana Johnson's dad. But the business about the family split is relevant because the social media posts by the family that stayed in the UK, namely her sister, we believe her sister, Leyla, her brother, Ahmed, who she married and the other brother. But in particular, Ahmed and Leyla's social media posts make clear that they are related. And and they're the only ones in the UK who have that last name, those, the triple last name that I was saying, that, that, that, Neursayed Elmi, Neursayed Elmi. So the father's name before he applied for asylum was Neursayed Elmi, Mohammed. That's just how they list it. Then her sister who came over with her, she's now named Sarah Neur. But her name was Sarah Neursayed Elmi and her three siblings who are granted asylum by the UK are Leyla Neursayed Elmi, Mohammed Neursayed Elmi and Ahmed Neursayed Elmi. And you were one of the ones who looked into before this all became out because you were there right at the beginning when this was just breaking. What does the UK family say? How did they describe their relationship with one another? I mean, they refer to her as a sister. And if I can explain the referral on naming culture here really quick, because I think for a lot of folks, it can be very confusing if you haven't looked into it. Essentially, they attach the father, the grandfather and the great grandfather's first names to the end of the child's first name. So when you see Ilhan Neursayed Elmi is what her birth name would have been, it is because Neurs her father's name, Saeed was her grandfather's name, and Elmi was her great grandfather's name. And so that last name will drop off when they name their children and it follows the paternal line. And now back to your initial question about how they were describing, it was very clear that Ilhan would go over to the United Kingdom, she would visit with her family. We have social media posts where Ahmed is referring to Ilhan's children, you know, she had just given birth. He's referring to her daughters as his nieces fresh out of the womb and she's laughing about it. And this is during the time where they're married. So he wasn't very effective at covering up the fraud. I don't think they expected anybody to look. And the reality is if she hadn't run for office, where folks would start putting this into the mainstream, especially when you understand the different clans within the Somali community, sometimes there's a little bit of infighting there. And so if one of those clans starts speaking out, putting some stuff into, you know, on the internet, start, you know, spreading these word words out, somebody's going to start looking because she's now a person of interest and that's exactly what happened. The reality is it's like none of this would have expanded the way that it has if members of the Somali community weren't talking on a public, but what they thought was private online chat room called Somali spot. That's where Scott's initial reporting started 10 years ago is because members of the Somali community were talking about this in great lengths about Ilhan Omar marrying her brother. And these regular Minnesota voters who had no idea were about to elect this woman as their Congresswoman or as a state representative excuse their state representative. Yeah. Eventually as their US Congresswoman woman, the you reported back in August of 2016 that Offmed had an Instagram post calling two young girls with a with a backpack from a primary school in Camden, his nieces, and that Ilhan's Instagram account loved the post. Are those her daughters? Those are Layla's daughters from our reporting. So Layla has two daughters. Layla has always lived in the United Kingdom. There's no evidence that I've been able to find that suggestion you ever came to the United States from all of our reporting. It suggests that Ahmed came to the United States when he was still a minor. We know that he graduated from a St. Paul high school then went back to the United Kingdom. And then obviously came back when he then married Ilhan in 2009, but Layla has always stayed in the United Kingdom. She was married there. She gave birth to at least two daughters that we know of. Those were the young girls that Ahmed referred to as his nieces. And we know that Ilhan liked that post. We also know just for- And then you also reported that Ilhan liked that she has an Instagram post picturing herself with the same twin girls and that she called the girls her nieces. Yes. So she and her husband are calling the girls their nieces. But we don't think the husband is calling the girls his nieces because of his marriage to Ilhan. No. It's because that he is the brother of their mother. That is a hundred percent correct. So then there was the matter of their divorce. So eventually she did divorce her brother and later she would get married to Tim Minas. They divorced in December of 2017. And you reported that on August 10th, 2017, so that's, you know, a few months before her December divorce from him, Ilhan swore under penalty of perjury that she had had zero contact with Ahmed after June 2011, which would have been two years into their marriage. Further she swore she did not know where to find him. She did not know a single person who was likely to know his whereabouts. And she did this to apply for a default divorce from Ahmed. A divorce where one spouse cannot be located and served. I mean, we know that just from civil court. Like if you file a tort action against somebody and they never respond to your tort claim, you win by default. The court will enter a judgment for you by default because they default it. They never responded to the lawsuit. And she was trying to get a default divorce from him saying, I haven't seen the guy. I've been married to him for what eight years. And I haven't seen him since after year two of this marriage. So what happened when you saw that and then tried to find him? I mean, we had a ton of evidence at that point that she hadn't been in contact with Ahmed. Obviously, we had the various social media posts. We were able to start linking family members together at this time. But we have to also be reminded here that Ilhan probably would never have sought the divorce if Scott and I hadn't started asking questions because as we remember, when Scott's initial questions about this marriage first came to be, she didn't send them to a normal attorney. She sent them to a criminal defense attorney to have her answer Scott's questions. And not right there, I think, was a tipping point that something wasn't necessarily right here. But we reported on this for what it was. And as we kind of seen over there. of the years, it was this kind of the same answer of like, well, you know, I haven't seen it. I haven't heard from him. She refused to acknowledge the fact that she had engaged with him on social media. It's just the constant deflacked and, you know, victim blame, and that's what she's done for the last time. And then after you guys started reporting on this, my understanding is they took down their social media, they scrubbed these references. Then when they reposted social media, these references were gone, but you still had a record of it. Yeah. And that really was why we took the screenshots when we did because I knew right away that once we started reporting on this and this started to get out, things were going to start moving and things were going to start disappearing very quickly. And so we needed to make sure that there was a very smart, pray a very smart, I'm sure we're going to be talking a lot. Thank you for your great reporting, amazing what the ball that you got rolling and it may roll ill on Omar right on out of this country. You'll see you soon. Thank you for having me. 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Find out more for yourself at guardyourcard.com and consider telling Congress to guard your card. We have been gabbling and gabbling in the commercial break about so many news stories. One of these days, we got, we got to, well, I'll tell you, one of these days will just do a behind the scenes and you'll get to know Stephen Debbie better and you'll get to hear their opinions on things because I think you'd find them very fascinating and very politically astute. Okay. I want to keep going with the news. There's news, a lot of news actually today about Kimberly Gilfoil, my former colleague at Fox News. As you know, the person who lost her ambassador ship to Greece last week, the president asked her, well, he fired her because there had been story after story in the Daily Mail and the Wall Street Journal about her engaging in effective, you know, you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours behaviors only her back wasn't really the back of the United States. It was the back of Kimberly Gilfoil, like do Kimberly Gilfoil a favor and I'll make your life easier. I'll steer business your way. These are the allegations she denies them, but this is why Trump fired her and told her to step down. So this story is not over, not by a long shot and we're going to be getting a lot more, but I wanted to tell you about the latest because this guy's threatening the Trump administration suggesting what he's going to reveal eventually could, could tarnish the chances of JD Vance or Marco Rubio, should they choose to run for office, I think that may be overstated, but you take it for whatever it is. Here's the story. This guy, Eric Dieters, who was one of the ones who helped bring down Gilfoil was like a Trump sort of gad fly. He was everywhere around the Trump administration, just sort of lingering and knowing people and buttering up people and taking guys like Eric Trump and Donald Trump and Kimberly places and paying them money to speak in front of his business cohorts and so on. And he ran for office in Kentucky, he did not win. And he remained, it appears somewhat close with Kimberly for years because he's got reams of Snapchat messages, not Snapchat, the signal, the supposedly confidential messaging app, messaging between him, Eric Dieters and Kimberly Gilfoil. The Wall Street Journal of Reporters who broke the story, have attested that they looked at the entire exchange, on signal, on his phone and verified that it happened even though Kimberly reportedly told the Trump administration that those messages that help bring her down were AI. He alleged just to quickly refresh you that she wanted him to spend $100,000 paying off some MX bill of hers prior to her confirmation hearing because it wasn't, it's not good to look like you're in a lot of debt when you've been nominated to an ambassador ship. They generally, everybody who becomes an ambassador is filthy rich. Those positions always go to one of the president's biggest donors who helped him win the campaign. And one, it's not all just like a favor. It's largely a favor. But one of the reasons why they want you to be rich is because believe it or not, when you go over to these embassies, you're expected to entertain and, you know, glad hand with dignitaries and, you know, make nice, nice with the Greek political class in her case. But you are expected to do it all on your own dime. It's actually pretty remarkable. They want you to be able to pay for it. And for most of these guys, they're so rich, it's like a rounding error. They don't even notice this. But Kimberly did not get the ambassador ship by being a very rich donor to President Trump. Because she was breaking up with, with, with Don Jr. And clearly they wanted to ship her into exile so that she would not be a problem for them. Literally nobody thought she had qualifications to make her a great Greek ambassador. But in her defense, few do, few who go on to be ambassador to wherever have some expertise in the local culture, sometimes they do. But the norm is the biggest donors get those posts. And if you're at the top of the donor list, you get the Court of St. James, you know, the UK one, you don't, if you're next up, you get the one to Ireland, et cetera. So Greece is a pretty good one. And it was obviously given to Kimberly because the Trump family wanted to exile her, whatever. It may not be a great reason, but I'm sure there have been worse reasons for appointing people to ambassador ships. So she goes over to Greece and the allegations are that rather than just being grateful for the position and realizing this is like a great honor that she could really make something out of, that she grifted and that she used the position to sort of get private jet air travel, very fancy hotel rooms, fancy dinners all over Greece, cases of champagne and so on, paid for by others because she was this fancy ambassador there on behalf of the United States and that she wasn't looking to improve any positions of ours over there, but only her own lifestyle. That's the allegation she and her lawyers deny this. But back to Deeders. He claims she asked him to make her look more financially solvent prior to her confirmation hearings by depositing, not depositing, by paying off $100,000 of her MX bill and that he responded, I can't do that or my wife would divorce me. And there is plenty of correspondence between the two of them reviewed by the Wall Street Journal that reportedly has her saying, Eric, stop putting this stuff in writing. Why do you continue to paper the deal? He reportedly offered her a million dollars if she could get him on Tucker's podcast because he's got his own complaint about some doctor. He feels has defrauded and hurt a group of people and then fled to Pakistan and he really wants this doctor to be brought back to the United States. I don't know what interest he has in this doctor and these people. He's allegedly hurt, but it's definitely a major cause of Eric Deeders. So he reportedly offered Kimberly Gilfoil a million dollars if she would get him on Tucker's podcast. Tucker told The New York Times I don't know the Wall Street Journal. I don't know anything about it. A million dollars. No, isn't this Don Jr's ex-girlfriend? No. Anyway, Deeders eventually got sick of being promised things by Kimberly. He says and then she didn't deliver. He also had some tax issues that he, he said, I need help with and she reportedly said, you know, make it worth my while. I've got access to all these people in the administration and he seems to be claiming that that's why he gave her $300,000 in speaking fees, not because he really wanted to speak at his events, but he wanted her to speak to the IRS commission or others to resolve some of his issues. So look, none of that is ethical on her part if it happened and some of it may be illegal. She denies it all. I'm just setting up the allegations for you. So now Deeders is angry. She's, you know, she's been brought down as the ambassador and she's going to have a host of other problems to deal with as she's being investigated by the State Department IG and it could potentially go beyond that. He is still angry and he is now suing Kimberly and her lawyers as well for defamation. It's kind of the E. Jean Carroll move where she alleged Trump raped her. Trump said, no, I didn't. She sued him for defamation because he's effectively calling her a liar and she won a lot of money because then he doubled and tripled down. That whole thing was so outrageous. It's like you're not allowed to defend yourself if somebody sues you and any of that. Now Deeders is saying that Kimberly and her lawyers attacks on him because they went beyond denying his allegations. They attacked him were defamatory and he wants defamation damages. Well, that'll play out in civil court. The unfortunate thing for Deeders and this whole thing is he muddied the waters by asking in his damages complaint and his complaint. in his request for damages, that this doctor be immediately returned to the United States as like the remedy, which just undermines the seriousness of this thing entirely. No court is going to entertain a forcing the administration to compel some doctorities. It's like a PR play. So I don't know how seriously we take this guy, Dieter's at all. That's up to you. But I will tell you that now he's claiming that a whistleblower over in Greece has come forward to alleged the problem with Kimberly was far worse than has been exposed yet. And I asked my team who this man is. His name is Jonathan Constantine. He's on tape with Eric Dieter's, Dieter's released the interview late last week. And he claims to be the head of this Republican group over in Greece that he says, hold on a second, is like a GOP sort of fundraising advocacy group over there. I want to make sure I don't misstate it. President of the Greek branch of Republicans overseas. And he's got how many followers on X to be said or on social media guys. Okay. So on Facebook, he's got 8,000 followers. That's not that many. I don't know anything about this guy. And this all needs to be taken with a grain of salt because we're not exactly sure who this Constantine is. But he's on the record with Eric Dieter's and says both the audio and later did a YouTube with him making some allegations about how deep this corruption alleged went. We're going to listen to some of what he said. He's our back man. It's pretty much in the report. Okay. I'll let you know that the report is a little bit dated from January. And since that report was sent to the GOP and my superior using the change command, I've managed to secure an indictment for a grant fraud or one of our associates or one of the people who will drive there. So we do have a lot of material here. It's about 7,500 pages. Okay. To be underscored again, there's no proof of this. He says he has proof of it. We have not seen that. It's already out there and it's making a lot of headlines. This is what he claims that millions of dollars with alleged ties he adds to CCP and or Iranian interests have been funneled, he alleges to Gilfoil through a guy whose name he mentioned there, Christos Marafazos, whom Constantine described as a close associate of hers and an intermediary in her dealings with business interests. He alleged that Marafazos developed a particularly close relationship with her after her appointment as ambassador and he said that donations raised were deposited into a personal bank account. Again, though, so far he has not provided said supporting evidence publicly, though he says he's tried. In this conversation with theaters, he says he's reached out to multiple people in the press and the administration for months now and hasn't gotten any purchase whatsoever. He says that there was a lobbying firm, Catalyst, which he claimed this guy Marafazos established after Kimberly was appointed ambassador and that that company functioned as a vehicle for transferring funds to her, describing this Marafazos as a bag man or intermediary for moving money and says it was rather extensive. Again, he's claiming that these are bribes effectively and he mentioned the IRGC and the CCP saying she's done a lot of damage to US interests. That's an allegation. Again, what is this? We have no idea whether this has any substantiation and Kimberly, I mean, she's denied any and all wrongdoing whatsoever. He underscored it with the headline that's come out of this. It's everywhere and it's sought in 18. Can I be blunt? Yeah, always be blunt with me. Okay, sir. Yesterday, a couple days ago, a client of mine and who's also a donor, by the way, we had a cat on donations here of $2,000. The reason being that if somebody comes with too much money, it means that they want something which is usually more illegal or undurable. He said the following, Kimberly Guilf oil can be summed up in three scenes and this is a blunt part. Couch, poke and cash. All three were present. You know, I've heard about substance abuse, so my guess is so cocaine is the drug a choice, huh? Yes, sir. We know who supplied it when it was, because we are unfortunately forever, the staff of the embassy talks to us, the reason being that my DP used to be 25 years first as all director in the embassy, so I know it all. Okay, both men better be damn sure that that's true because if I were Kimberly Guilf oil and someone said that about me, I would sue them immediately. I mean, the first C is just a pejorative and a general smear that is not exactly defamatory. Somebody's basically like, you're a Nazi. You can't sue them for that. It's like general rhetoric. That's very unflattering and untrue in many cases, but you can't sue over something like that and just calling somebody to see word is the same. But alleging she does drugs, absolutely, if somebody ever alleged that about me, I would sue their asses so fast because I've never done drugs, no drugs. And it would be fun. It would actually be really fun to sue their asses and see who their witnesses were. And then there's the third allegation, which is basically bribe bribery, the cash thing. We've gone through some of those allegations, all of which she's denied, but which unlike the other, you know, first two, which would revolve around, again, the ones not suitable. The second one would be provable potentially with a witness, but the third one, that's notable, whether she took bribes, whether she was doing her bidding versus hours while ambassador to Greece. And honestly, you know, we should know because that's completely unethical if that's what happened. I have to be honest, though, I do wonder why, why so much focus on Kimberly Gilfoil. Because have these other ambassadors like the ones who were there for Joe Biden have been, they've been so squeaky clean. I really wonder. And like, who are the staff in these embassies? And do they have political leanings one way or another? Like that's another question I'd like to know. So I really hope that if this is false, she does fight it and has the chance to offer her side. I've got my concerns. I've got to be honest about her behavior. I do and I've got my reasons for those concerns. Tim Dylan has a humorous take on it and he, you know, he does it like nobody else can. He had me hysterical on his show over the weekend, not, not about this, but just about so many things. Some of which we're going to play for you as the week goes on. But he, okay, let's see, here's, here's not 22. What are you supposed to do in Greece? Get on jets with Greek businessmen. What did they think you were there to do? Learn about the history of Athens like you're there. She was there to do exactly what she did scam and throw to pussy. So why is this such a big deal? These allegations are false and I intend to vigorously defend my name, my reputation and my integrity. Now what's great about these people is even is that statement is drafted. The greatest thing about somebody like her, what makes these people so fun is they know that they get it. The people I'm talking about, the people in and around this administration, this roving band of narcissists, even as that statement is released, there she knows that the reputation is in tatter, is in the integrity, is a foreign concept to her, is nothing, integrity is never made her a dollar. Listen to the next thing because the next thing is one of the funniest lines and you could tell she didn't write it, but someone wrote it because they all hire people to write things like this. And this is one of the funniest things I have ever heard in my life. I have dedicated my professional life to fighting for justice, standing up for what is right and defending the values that make America exceptional. I mean, Kimberly, Kimberly, we're laying it on a little thick, aren't we? I have dedicated my professional life to fighting for just, by the way, I mean, to say you've had a professional life is a little bit of a stretch, you've certainly had a life for you. You know, we know who you are, professionals is a loose term, but this idea that she's fighting for justice, in fact, what makes her probably a lot of fun at a dinner is that she wouldn't even know what any of those words mean, none of them would. So I have some thoughts on it. I love Tim and he's hysterical, but here's the thing about Kimberly, she did have a commitment to justice when she went to law school and she was a young DA in San Francisco and started working for court TV and was making a name for herself and then she's married to Gavin Newsom that didn't work out for various reasons and then she came to Fox News. And I think she was earnest and I think she really wanted to do well in the journalism field, not journalism exactly, but, you know, commentary in her case. She was never a straight news reporter, she was a commentator and a legal analyst. But I do think, you know, for some people, and I just think sometimes that industry can be corrupting itself, separate it apart from politics. I just think it's tough, like any business that requires on-camera work and that develops some level of like potential fame. God, you need a very, very solid foundation to handle it well, or you can get drunk on your own wine. You can lose your moral tether. You can start making compromised decisions. You can start forgetting your ethical foundation, especially if you immerse yourself around politicians or with politicians who tend to have the loosest tether whatsoever to ethics, unfortunately, it's just a reality in our country, nevermind others. And it can be corrupting. So, you know, time will tell, a trial will tell, an investigation will tell whether that happened to her. But I'll say this, she and I had our ups and downs around the Roger Ailes fall. But eventually, you know, you work with somebody for a long enough and you let bygones be bygones and you're rooting for them and that's the position I was in with Kimberly when she left Fox, I mean, it wasn't a good departure. And she managed to sort of parlay it into a, I'm not in the midst of scandal here. I'm leaving to go be with Don Jr., which wasn't really the story. But she went with Don Jr. and he was with her for some time. I'm not going to speak for their relationship. And then, as I said, she managed to parlay that new and ambassador ship and I was rooting for her. And she lost her mother at a very young age. I think Kimberly, I think she's a complicated person. But I know many people who tell you she's got a heart of gold. I know she's being painted as an absolute villain in all the papers right now. But I know somebody who is a mutual friend of ours who absolutely loves her and who has been treated nothing but beautifully by her and I'm sure whose heart is hurting watching all this terrible news. So anyway, it's complicated, right? Like my therapist says, it's complicated whenever we talk about difficult issues or people. So that's my thought for that for now. Katie's the Zachary, she's also still in the news because we're hearing a few more details about how she was brought down after five days as White House press secretary. And the reports are pretty universal that it was Susie Wiles who set her up to fail, which Susie Wiles and the White House deny. But the report is that Susie Wiles did not bless this appointment that it was President Trump who chose Katie as his new press secretary that Susie Wiles wasn't actually there. And that she kind of said, all right, fine, because the press secretary essentially works for the president as his spokesman. And you know, it was Trump's call. Well, Susie Wiles a very savvy woman and it didn't take her long to see that Katie really wasn't ready for prime time. And the reports are in Politico and elsewhere that it was Susie Wiles who helped Katie's appearance on Fox News Thursday night with Sean Hannity happened according to two people familiar with the internal dynamics, you know, within less than 24 hours, she would, she would be fired from the role. Sean Hannity gave her a pointed examination. He did not go easy on her and she did not do particularly well. And there was this question and an answer here and sought 26. What I feel is I really stepped up and to the plate to do the press conference, Sean, with very little prep time I received in materials in the morning of Tuesday. And I went to deliver all of the great results that President Trump is delivering for the American people that are not often spread in the national media. So I took it as an opportunity so people would know what he's doing for Americans and how hard he's working. And then I delivered some breaking news. I think I'm one of the first press secretaries to deliver staff changes for the administration. And I was honored that President Trump trusted me in delivering that information. And then I took several questions and I think it's been mixed, Sean, because they've said I only took questions from conservative outlets, however, the Daily Mail is not known to be a conservative outlet or friendly to conservative. So I do challenge that narrative. Yes, it is. Okay, so actually that's not true. Daily Mail is fair to conservatives. I mean, they dump on everybody, but they're not a leftist rag. You could say that about the Daily Beast, but not the Daily Mail. And this was why, you know, basically, like, how do you think your briefing went? And it was like, well, I'm the first one to deliver news about an administration change. I mean, you know, what can you say? That did not go well. And none of the Q&A between the two of them went well. Here was another one about why she was calling herself a lawyer when she never passed the bar exam. It's not 27. Why not just say I went to Peppard Island Law School and then took a different career path. And I took the bar once and didn't pass it. I get into this long, drawn out definition between the difference between a lawyer and an attorney. Because I don't think most people see much of a distinction. Why didn't you just say I never practiced law? Well, Sean, when I moved back from the United States, I didn't retake the bar. I had four kids in six years. It was never my intent to go into the practice of law. When I went to go engage in media and give legal analysis, I consulted attorneys and legal professionals as to whether or not they agreed that I could be labeled a lawyer, both because I had a valid jurist doctor from a good law school, a reputable law school, pepperedine law school. And in conjunction with the fact that I did have actual, substantive legal experience, I wasn't providing any legal analysis, Sean, or I'm, excuse me, a legal advice. I wasn't being paid for legal advice. I was giving a general review of the legal circumstances surrounding it. Okay, I mean, every lawyer knows that you don't hold yourself out as a lawyer, an attorney, whatever you want to call yourself, unless you've passed the bar exam and you actually are practicing law or have practiced law and she never had. And the problem for Katie Zakaria is President Trump appears to have been fooled by this line. He believed she was an attorney and described her as one and then looked silly. And the other piece of her downfall was the over the top sick of fancy. It was too much. It was too much. I mean, honestly, I, I felt like we were in Russia. If you go over to Russia, like one of the reasons why when I went over there and had very contentious exchanges with President Putin, it made so much news is because you almost never see that. And the reason you never see that is because journalists have been killed in Russia. And the, the President controls the press corps over there. That's, that's what Provda is, controlled media. And truly, if you ever watch Russian, you know, journalists, it's, it's over the top fawning about how amazing Vladimir Putin is. That's what right media is over there. And that is how she sounded. Even as she was leaving the administration, she came out with President Trump is a kind, wonderful, gracious, thoughtful, enthusiastic and the most hardworking man. I wish more Americans appreciated him. No one will ever make America great the way he has and continues to. And so on. Like it was just too much. And I think while the President, I'm sure I loved hearing it. He is too savvy to not clue in to how it undermined her credibility. You know, it's like even those of us who are very open-minded to President Trump's policies were like, oh my god, this is like, I'm embarrassed, please stop that. Please stop that. So she had to go. By the way, it was Axios that reported that Susie Wiles was not the one who made the decision that Trump told her about the decision. They also reported that Trump wanted to hire Maria Bartoroma for the job, but she signaled she was not interested. And they also reported that this was a solely Trump decision with the straw. input of his personal assistant, Natalie Harp. I'm not going to lie. I think Katie Zachary, uh, she could do another job. I'm sure she is loyal to Trump. You know, she seems like she'd be good in that Natalie Harp position, frankly, where you're just blindly loyal to the president. You do whatever he tells you. Um, but I'm surprised that Trump made the pick because he's normally extremely smart when it comes to a pick like this. He's normally spot on and he can see from a mile away who will work well on television, which is really what this job is and who can handle an aggressive nasty media and who can't. And this just seems to have been a misfire and a rare one for him for this particular role. I mean, you, you know, you can make mistakes when it comes to administration officials like I'm sure Trump didn't necessarily have really strong feelings on who should run the interior department. But like this press secretary, there has been a more media obsessed president than Donald Trump. So I'm surprised. I know she looked the part, if you will, like sort of a Fox News personality, that's not enough. But he knows that. He knows that. He knows the difference between someone who's attractive and someone who's got what it takes to spar with the disgusting toxic nasty media all day. You know, that was the beauty of Caroline Levitt. She had both Kaley McEnany both, you know, so. And by the way, they have not all been blonde. As I heard my pal say the other day, there was Sarah Huckabee Sanders and she didn't look like a Fox News anchor, but she sparred and was very strong during the first Trump administration. So I'm, I really hope that they find somebody who can do both of those things. I don't care whether they look good. I mean, they need to be like somewhat decent looking just because it's television as a visual medium, you know, you don't take very homely people and put them out as your spokesperson. I just don't, I don't think you should. And I know Donald Trump doesn't think you should. But somebody who can spar, like we want to see contentious exchanges. We want to see the press secretary put the press in their place. And we don't want to see somebody who's up there like a scared doe idea, afraid of the media and clearly incapable of handling their meanest barbs. Right? So hopefully that's a very short chapter. We'll get past it and we'll do better on the next selection. I do wonder how Caroline levied saw the whole last week. I'm sure it was, I don't know, when you leave a job like she did to go spend more time with her child, second child, both children. Are you totally rooting for your successor or is there a small smidge of satisfaction when it doesn't work out for the next person? 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It's gold, no BS news. Only on the Megan Kelly channel, Sirius XM-111 and on the Sirius XM-10. Victoria's secret back in the news today. They've brought back the Angel Runway show. Great. I think most of us are happy if they're going to do anything that it has, you know, sexy women walking in it as opposed to where we were in 2021 when they're so-called angel campaign looked like something that Nicole Hannah Jones had put together as an example of female empowerment. It was all about diversity and embracing, you know, chubby bodies as like the new sexy. It was like how many united colors of Beneton can we get into everything we put out there? And we need to see, you know, obese models in order to sell our brand, which had always in the case of Victoria's secret, resorted to sex appeal, but they didn't think they could be sexy anymore with, you know, white women or thin ones. So, thankfully we got past that. It's fine to have diverse models, but like the notion that we have to have obese angels at the Victoria's secret fashion show or as the face of the brand was absurd from the start and remains so. There was a reason they moved past that. Now, they do their runway show and the girls have the wings on, okay, that's fine. The Hadid sisters there. I don't know, one of them's there. I can never keep track. Those are the two reality TV show daughters. Their mother's a real housewife and we watched them go through, you know, what appeared to be a lot of plastic surgery on their way toward becoming super models. They're Kardashian-esque. These two girls, Bella and the other one, Gigi, whatever. They landed the plane. Things are going well for them. Congrats. And then we saw something called the fantasy bra. Now, you probably don't know anything about the fantasy bra because you're a normal person leading your life like yours truly. But I saw this buzz about it online and I took a deep dive into what the hell this thing is. Well, it's basically something Kelly Clarkson is two days away from demanding she own. It is a $50 million creation by Jacob Arabo of Jake and Co featuring a 75-karat vivid yellow diamond amid 4,410 white diamonds. And it's stunning. It's like a boostier made out of diamonds. And to wear it, I'll show it to you in one second, not yet. But to wear it, you normally have to be the biggest name at the Victoria's Secret fashion show. Years ago, it was Tyra Banks, Heidi Klum, Jezel was the one who really made it famous. And since then, it's been like household names in the modeling world who have worn the so-called fantasy bra. This year, there was a question of who would wear it. And people were excited to find out. Claudia Schiffer, one of the original supermodels. And there was quite a bit of consternation when it turned out the person with the honor was Kylie Jenner. Good lord. Kylie Jenner came out with the angel wings and the fantasy bra and the fantasy body and face because none of that is real. I mean, none of this is real. We saw Kylie Jenner grow up. I'm sorry, but like not at the top of the most attractive on the list of Kardashian Jenners. And like the lips, she really had none when she was a child. Now they are Angelina Jolie, ask in size. As are the breasts. As is the bottom. And Timothy Shalamet, her obviously gay boyfriend, it was sitting in the front, front row. You know, I don't know that he's gay, but he's a feat. He is so a feat. I cannot imagine allowing that thing on top of you. I just feel like he wouldn't know what to do. Cheering her on from the front row, along with the momager, Chris Jenner, who is there going along with the whole farce that this daughter too is somehow like a supermodel. Whereas only Kendall Jenner is, she's tall, she's got no body fat, she's stunning. And the Kylie Jenner thing, they continue to try to make happen with like the saucy pictures, and now she's got a strut out there in the bra. A lot of people were melting down about this online, like genuinely pissed off that they continue to have her shoved down our throats, and we're supposed to celebrate her as something close to a super model. Now I will say, at least she's a woman, which is more than I can say for Alex Conzani who walked the runway as well at the Victoria fashion show. You might be confused if you saw Alex because he very much looks like a woman, but he's not. This is a man, of course, he has legs from here to eternity because a lot of men have a natural height advantage over actual women, and they do grow to be six foot three, something like that with legs that look like a California redwood. In his case, not only are they incredibly long, but they are incredibly lean because men also do not have the natural distribution of body fat on their inner thighs and bottoms the way women do. And there was something that stood out about that so called angel because the best ones do have curves. That's actually something that Victoria's Secret has prided itself on and not picking the most lean obscene models over the years, but getting ones that do have some natural body fat, which men like. They like that. Men don't like anorexic figures. If you look at all the surveys, they say that. They like somebody who's a little bit more full body, frankly, like Kylie Jenner. But an actual star or an actual model, you know, somebody who hadn't just gotten ahead thanks to their mother's non-stop pimping out of them and their family members. Anyway, so this is a man who wants you to know that he, quote, never wants to be seen as a trans woman. He, quote, wants to be seen as a woman. You have to drop the trans thing. You see, you're not allowed to refer to him as a he or as a trans person, but as an actual woman because he feels diminished when you point out that he's actually a man. But I remember the day when the Victoria's Secret brand and fashion shows were for actual women trying to market to actual women. And I missed them. Now, not to be out done by the nonsense that was parading online around this thing, the New York Times felt the need to weigh in. And they're a fashion critic. Vanessa Friedman had thoughts on what we saw, writing about how the angels were revealing just how much we have reverted to pre-MeToo definitions of sexy. And how little change has actually occurred despite all of the soul searching and existential crises of the early 2020s about how a brand that put women on display like dream dolls of the bedroom may have contributed to a culture of sexual harassment and abuse. Now, I hate to tell you, Vanessa, but what you are suggesting is that what a woman wears leads to sexual abuse, which is an old trope I thought we got rid of. Vanessa, a long, long time ago, that it didn't really matter how short your skirt was or saucy your lingerie was. You weren't asking for it, that you parading around in sexy lingerie had nothing to do with whether you were going to get sexually assaulted or raped. So I don't know what you're saying, that the outfits that they were wearing, dressing women like dream dolls of the bedroom, may have contributed to a culture of sexual harassment and abuse. Hello, human resources at the New York Times. I think you got to live, we got to live one. You got some problems going on over in the fashion department with a sexist head writer in your fashion department. This is a problem. Now she tries to couch it a bit later by lamenting the Cornell 7 and its connection to this fashion show will get there in a second. But first, she writes the following that after all, Victoria's secret may position the show as an expression of self confidence and joy. The chief executive, Hillary Super and Adam Selman, the creative director, may talk about giving women ownership of their bodies, but there's no getting away from the reality that the Victoria's secret show is perpetuating a very specific, Vargas girl playboy tradition of sexy, Vargas being this artist that pictured women in like pin-ups as pin-ups, you know, like the playboy style, like all about the sex appeal. Okay, so she's upset that there's no getting away from the reality that Victoria's secret and its show perpetuates this playboy tradition of sexy. Then she writes one that is all about the legs and the boobs and the bottom. What's it supposed to be about? The IQ, the number of library books they've taken out? I'm sorry, but those two things don't always go together and if forced to choose, I think Victoria's secret has made the right choice. When trying to sell the sexy lingerie that makes a woman feel more sexy and frankly might get her in the move for actual sex, they went with the incredibly stunning, mostly actual women who remind women what sex appeal can look like and telling me what the woman's IQ is or how fast to type as she may be doesn't have the same effect on me or most women or most men. What is she talking about? Like we're only going to have a Victoria's secret show with Mensa members from now on. The boobs, the bottoms and the legs. Oh, heaven forbid, we should be featuring their wrists, their, their cancels as she won't be happy till that's what's trying to sell the sexy lingerie. Just the absurdity of it. Like she's really just putting little tokens into her woke bank so she can get plotted and pats on the back. Here's Vanessa, by the way. All right, so maybe we know why she's so upset about them going with beauty for the fashion show. Okay, she keeps going to maybe the whole boostier and knickers bayblock is most women's dream as it clearly was most mens by reverting to these old gender stereotypes. Victoria's secret is reverting to a time when sexy was defined by the male gaze and catering to it. Okay, what men find sexy on a woman most women do too. If you were trying to look sexy, most women will not don a burka or a snow parker that covers your whole body. When Valentine's Day rolls around tends to be the time most of us put on the sexy lingerie that our husbands or boyfriends have bought us in the hopes that we'll give them a present on said day. And we understand that they like to look at us in that outfit and that we tend to feel sexier when we put that stuff on. That's that's something that you do every day. Necessarily, but like when you're looking to feel a little saucy, few of us cover ourselves head to toe in puffy outerwear. So I don't know what Vanessa's doing when it's time, but this is a little well, will fully blind, you could say. And then here's the caper. Or maybe what this is about is a nostalgia for a time when we could pretend that this way of presenting women was just like a hearted fun and didn't contribute directly to a culture that enabled their objectification and depersonalization, even though we know that such a time is as much a fantasy as the fantasy bra. Watching the Victoria's Secret Show after the national conversation prompted by the crisis at Cornell is a bit like entering the twilight zone. So you can't watch the Victoria's Secret Fashion show because we're having a conversation about gang rape at Cornell, which shows that Vanessa is misguided on a number of fronts. She's been reading too much of her papers front page and not casting her news net wide enough. But once again, we have to prompt the discussion about the sexualization of women, allowing women to feel sexy as contributing to what happened at Cornell University, that it would be so bone headed to do this in the wake of what's happening at Cornell, which leads me back to point one. It doesn't matter what the Victoria's Secret models are wearing. It doesn't matter what Jane Doe was wearing. If she were in fact sexually assaulted, it had nothing to do with that Vanessa. And we shouldn't be chastising women who want to look or feel sexy, who wind up as victims, which she may not realize she's doing, but she's doing. However, the Jane Doe alleged gang rape was nothing of the sort. She had a gang bang that she was only too happy to join in with actual affirmative out loud yeses because that seemed to be her preference. And it didn't happen because of anything Jane Doe was wearing. No one even knows what she was wearing. I haven't seen that in any of the materials discussed around this case. It happened because she thought that attitudes around sex and sexuality are changing. And I'm just super open-minded, and unfortunately, a slut, Teehee, as she told her sorority sister. So once again, the left wing misses the mark. This is their chief fashion critic. This is like the woman whose pen they pay the most for when it comes to interpreting fashion. And it's wrong from forward to from front to back. She's gotten the whole thing wrong. What sexy, what matters, what makes women feel sexy about themselves and how somehow allowing women to lean into showing off their body parts in an appropriate setting, by the way. This is not like somebody who showed up at the inauguration showing off her boobs, Lauren. This is like at the Victoria's fashion, you know, Victoria's Secret Fashion Show. That's exactly the place you should be wearing this stuff, showing women what they could buy, what they could wear as we get a little closer to Christmas and Valentine's Day. But she wants to, she wants to suggest doing it, encourages rape and encourages things like the Cornell 7. And as a backwards move from a brand that whose business is underwear. Okay. That's it for today. Let me know your thoughts. It's Megan at Megankelly.com. Look forward to seeing you with more tomorrow when the gang from Ruthless will be back. We're very excited to talk to them. The last time they were supposed to come on, we wound up doing all legal so we couldn't use them. But they are back and we have lots of politics and culture to go over with them. I can't wait to do that together. All right. So we will see you tomorrow. Send me that email and go to Megankelly.com. In the meantime, there you can sign up for once a week email, come in your way on Fridays. See you then. 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