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The ICE Shooting in Austin, Texas

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The ICE Shooting in Austin, Texas

A Venezuelan man, Wilbur Perez, was shot in the back by ICE agents in Austin, Texas, during a stop for deportation, sparking widespread outrage. Perez, who had a work permit and was seeking asylum, claims he was not properly notified of a hearing due to a changed address, leading to a deportation order in absentia. He alleges he was driving when armed agents pulled up, forced a U-turn, chased him, and shot him in the back of the neck. He now says he has a bullet still in his spine, has not received adequate medical care, and was taken from a hospital without proper treatment. Video evidence contradicts ICE’s claim of a foot chase. The incident has ignited public anger, especially amid a growing pattern of violent encounters involving ICE and undocumented migrants. Austin officials and local authorities have criticized the lack of access to the crime scene and questioned the necessity of deadly force. The case also highlights systemic failures, including poor communication in immigration enforcement and flawed administrative processes. Meanwhile, a separate major technological failure at a New Jersey Transit construction site caused a critical fiber-optic cable to fail, disrupting air traffic control across the Northeast for hours, leading to widespread flight delays and cancellations. This infrastructure failure underscores the fragility of aging systems despite advances in AI and automation. Additionally, a controversy emerged over the White House blocking reporters from covering a ribbon-cutting event, prompting a lawsuit by CNN, MSNBC, and Politico alleging a violation of First Amendment rights and due process. The case, involving a judge with prior experience in similar media access disputes, could set a precedent for press freedom in government spaces. The incident reflects broader tensions between executive control of information and constitutional protections for media access, with legal experts emphasizing that such restrictions are unconstitutional. Lastly, extreme heat and dangerous ground temperatures during an NFL game in Nashville highlighted the risks of artificial turf, with players reporting melted cleats and severe heat exposure, raising concerns about player safety and the need for safer, more natural surfaces in stadiums.

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Every IT person's worst nightmare just backed up air traffic. And if a ribbon cutting happens at the White House, but no one's there to tape it, does it make it on air? The decision then was made to not have TV pull coverage of the president for the networks in that pool. The White House press corps responds to credentials being yanked. From ABC News, this is Start Here. I'm Brad Milky. Austin, Texas, is a very blue city in a historically very red state. Latinos also make up about a third of its population. So for months, Austin residents in particular have been closely watching the surging number of arrests by immigration and customs enforcement. Many expressed worry and anger when residents were shot in Minneapolis. Also in California, in Maine, in Houston. I learned again from a Facebook post that our dad had been shot. Not because I could see him, but because I could hear his voice on videos, post it online, crying for help. Well, on Sunday night, federal agents in Austin attempted to stop an immigration suspect, a Venezuelan national who now delivers food for door dash. At stop, ended with him being shot. That was only the beginning of this outrage. The even more troublesome part immigration advocates say is what happened next. Let's take you straight to Austin, Texas this morning. ABC's chief justice correspondent Pierre Thomas has made his way there. Can you just walk us through what happened here? A man was shot who ISIS claiming is here illegally. And they are saying that he fled the scene when they were trying to detain him for deportation. ICE has put out statements that there was a foot chase. We have video evidence that there was no foot chase. A completely different version of that story now is coming from his side with he and his attorney saying that he was driving along. They pulled up in an armed car. He was not exactly sure who they were. Did a U-turn under the highway and the truck chased him and sides wiped him again. And the agents came out and shot him in the back of the neck and pulled him out of the car. That he tried to comply with them and he was eventually shot in his back. So who is this guy? Like what do we know about his identity or why ICE would have been pursuing him in the first place? He's a Venezuelan national. His name is Wilbur Perez. He claims that he was seeking asylum in the United States, was going through that process. He entered on CBP1 in 2024. He's from Venezuela. So he was inspected and admitted into the country. He had a work permit. He had a hearing to attend, but that he had changed addresses. And when they sent a notification out for the hearing, he was in a new address, never got the information. So he got a deportation order in absentia, which is a very common thing. The court is notorious for sending notices of hearings to the wrong address. And then the next thing he knew, they were starting a deportation process, which ICE was acting on Sunday. What is his condition now and how did he emerge from this? What was unusual on Monday is that Mr. Perez actually was talking to his wife and they put him on the telephone during the press conference. And he described in his own words how the shooting went down and exactly what his medical condition was. He said after I was shot, one of the officers got into my car and forcibly turned it off. I told him I wasn't a lot of pain and I thought I was going to pass out. He claims that he was taken from the hospital after doctors determined they could not remove the bullet that was in his back because they, according to him, claim it was too close to his spine. He said he was summarily taken from the hospital and taken to an ICE detention center. And he said that he did not sleep with a bed, that he's not receiving proper medical attention and that that bullet is still lodged in his back. He says he was taken with a bullet still in his back, Pierre? Correct. Unbelievable. It does sound like he's been transferred to a medical facility overnight. We'll see what happens there. What is the broader reaction though around Austin and around Texas? I think the issue here is the backdrop of what's happened in Minneapolis and other places where migrants undocumented people, people that ICE was trying to deport, have been shot and in some cases killed. ICE does not know how to conduct traffic stops safely. Look at Rene, look at Alex, look at Lorenzo, look at Joanne and Maine, look at Wilbur. And with that being in mind, the city officials and a number of the members of Mr. Perez's family are making the case and asking the question, did you need to use that level of force? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. How's that seen? Was it that level of force required in order to detain him? In addition to that, there was also confusion just over where he was. In the common thread throughout a lot of these ICE cases is how many rights do local authorities have to investigate the scene itself? Because you think there's a shooting in your jurisdiction, probably want the cops to check it out, and yet local PD are saying they're being restricted from investigating something in their own city. They can't even find this guy for a while. How are they describing this? The mayor and other said that the local authorities were not given access to the crime scene and given little to no access to the evidence has been gathered so far. I'm extremely unhappy. A person being shot on the streets of Austin by someone purporting to be law enforcement, particularly when it's ICE. On Monday, we heard from the Austin Police Chief noting that they will do an investigation. People will have strong feelings about what happened. People will have questions and they should. But in determining what occurred in this particular incident, we have to allow evidence and not rumor, speculation, or incomplete information guide us. They hope to interview witnesses who get available surveillance footage to make their determination as to whether this was a lawful act by the ICE agents. All right, a peer Thomas there in Austin, Texas right now. Thank you so much. My pleasure. Next up on Start here, the cable guy always seems to take a sweet time installing everything. Well, after this story, I'm like, take all the time you need. An IT debacle becomes a travel nightmare after the break. Today, I want to tell you about an exciting new deal from our friends at CozyEarth. Take a moment and think back to the best night of sleep you ever had. Did it feel like you might never sleep that well again? Well, good news. You can give yourself an amazing night of sleep every night by upgrading your bedding to CozyEarth. 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ABC's Transportation Correspondent Geo Benitez is outside Newark Liberty International Airport right now in New Jersey. Geo, can you explain what happened here? - Oh my gosh, Brad, this was such a mess. So we're talking about a massive outage for air traffic control. And really, it just paralyzed some of the nation's largest airports in the Northeast. So we're talking about Philadelphia, New York City, we're talking about Boston as well. Even JFK, LaGuardia, they were also impacted by all of this. - It would try to work to get the rail and the communications back off mine, but they are unable to do so. So at this time, all air traffic are being delivered outside of the New York area. So we'll be arriving in Detroit. - There were planes that were just parked near runways. There were ground stops at Newark and Philadelphia. Thousands of delays and cancellations that were triggered because of this. And you mentioned it, it was this wire. - Unfortunately, that circuit failed today. And when it went to flip into the backup, we discovered that the backup fiber had a break. - Basically, there was this backup 600 foot fiber line that was just inoperable and we're learning that it was accidentally caught by a New Jersey Transit construction crew. That's what triggered all of this. And then they weren't able to fix it. They really tried to fix it. They weren't able to fix it for quite a long time. - We are hoping we can leave Philadelphia. - I have to get to Boston today so I'm getting ready to go to the train station taking a cell at home. - At one point, the FAA put this ground stop for just about every airport in the Northeast because they needed to figure this out, united, canceled almost every one of its flights. I mean, so this was a major, major headache. - But so then, how does that. I'm thinking of the latest Jurassic Park where the whole park gets shut down from like one Snickers wrapper. Like what is the thing that, what is this wire? And why is it so important? - So this was this fiber line that basically is responsible for all communication. And so at the end of the day, these air traffic controllers in this regional facility. So we're not talking about like one airport's air traffic control. We're talking about the regional facility that controls it for several airports. So in this case, it was the facility that controls it for both Philly and Newark. So we're talking about major, major issues here. - These are issues that aren't new to us. We know these problems can happen. We know these cuts can happen. - So that didn't allow them to either monitor or communicate with the planes in the air. - But then aren't you supposed to have backups and like backups to the backups? I guess I'm wondering what happens going forward. - Yeah, so that's exactly what they're gonna be looking at. And so the FAA for sure is gonna be looking at this and saying, well, wait a minute, why didn't the backups work? They're gonna be looking at this for sure. - This is our effort to give you a better system, better tools. - At the exact time when this was going on, we had Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy announcing new AI tools that would help in cases of situations, especially with weather. We're not talking about the same kind of situations, but it's just sort of ironic that at the same time as all of this is happening, he's talking about AI tools that can help prevent delays and cancellations because the infrastructure-- - This is a tech glitch. - Yeah, because the infrastructure is just decades old. And this has been an issue that we've been talking about through several administrations, right? But this is the thing, right? We can talk about software all we want. Hardware, the actual wires connecting everything. If they don't work, it doesn't matter how advanced your software, your AI chat bots, or whatever it is. Geobanitas dealing with some very frustrated travelers over there in Newark. Thank you so much. - Thank you, Brad. Safe flight. - It was noteworthy this weekend when three reporters for widely known new services were told they couldn't enter the White House grounds to cover the president. One by one, reporters from CNN, MSNOW, and Politico were told their presence wasn't allowed. They were asked to hand over their credentials. That was a big deal, but to many observers, the even bigger question was, what would happen next? In the doggy dog world of media where everyone wants access, how would the other outlets respond? Well, on Monday, we saw something pretty extraordinary. President Trump was doing a ribbon cutting on the White House ground, something he would usually want seeing far and wide, but there were no network of TV cameras there. Karen Travers is here. She's not just our White House correspondent. She's also the current vice president for the White House Correspondence Association. Karen, I'm glad you're here. There were five major TV broadcasters in this country. ABCs won, so were CBS, NBC, Fox News, and CNN. CNN was broadcasting from across the street. So what happened yesterday? - Yeah, because they couldn't get into the White House because all of their reporters have had their access blocked as you know, noted on Saturday, the one showed up, told their badge was deactivated. So that said, they can't come onto the campus. CNN was pool yesterday for the television networks. It's a rotation of those five networks in alphabetical order, and it just so happened that it was CNN's duty on Monday. So they were next up, but they weren't going to be able to pool because they had no access to the White House. - Right, and pool, by the way, is what one network takes pictures and the others all use them. - Exactly. So, you know, there's tight spaces around here. The Oval Office is not very big. The cabinet room is not very big. So, and there's also a cost of doing business when you cover the president. So there is one network that acts as the eyes and ears for the other five networks each day, and then shares that video. So it's kind of an interesting thing. I think that people might not understand, like, out there, we're all competitive. - This is why we're always like, oh, why am I getting the exact same angle of the president in all of these shots? Now we know. You see it on every single network. You know, and we're all fiercely competitive and everybody's trying to get scoops, but at the same time, we work really closely with all of the networks. They're producers, they're correspondence because of this pool system where you are working together and every day you're sharing duties. So yesterday with CNN's turn, they were not going to be able to fulfill their pool duties because of that access being blocked, and the decision then was made to not have anybody else go in, you know, not replace them, not go to the next up. It was the decision then was made to not have TV pool coverage of the president for the networks in that pool. The five networks that make up the television pool put out a statement that says the public has a vital interest in receiving accurate, independent information about its government. No administration should restrict a news organization because it objects to its reporting. So it was very significant. We have not seen that happen. The president was doing an event on the South Lawn and there wasn't that pool camera there to capture it. It was also a very strange event because you couldn't hear the president anyway. I was actually at the event in my own unilateral capacity there and the helicopter engine was so loud. And so, you know, there wasn't going to be a way for that image or video to get out then to the television networks like we saw in events just a week ago. Right, it's almost like they're saying, you don't get to tell us who's covering it. Like if we decide CNN's still covering this, CNN's covering it. It's up to you guys whether it'll let them in or not. Still photographers, by the way, I found it interesting. They have their own pool. They said in solidarity, they're not releasing pictures of this event until today. By the way, Politico, of course, neither one of these, right? It's a digital print outlet. So this goes deeper than just broadcast stuff. There's now a lawsuit from all these outlets that have been barred. How is that going to work? Yeah, so the three outlets joined together and filed a lawsuit on Monday to restore their access. They put out a statement together that said that they notified the government that they were doing this to protect their First Amendment rights and defend the principle that the government doesn't decide what the press reports or publishes. In the lawsuit, they were very clear. They say that this ban could not be a more direct assault on the First Amendment, nor a more blatant violation of our most fundamental constitutional privileges. And they're going through a couple different points of the legality of the president's ban. They're saying it violates their due process, because it just so happened abruptly, that it unlawfully retaliates against what they're saying as protected speech, and that it violates the First Amendment by barring them from non-public place for unlawful reasons. So these are the way that they're going to go about this lawsuit. But it was also notable to see in this suit. They warned that this could be just the beginning of this. That there could be a ripple effect here for other news organizations. And remember, Brad, the president himself said this on Friday. He was asked about how this was going to work. And in his social media post, he had indicated more to come. And when a reporter pushed him on that, he said, the New York Times, the Washington Post, he doesn't like they're reporting either. I was like, what's the criteria, Karen? It's just like they've reported things that I deem unfair. And he has never been explicit as to what report from CNN. What was it that Politico published? What was it that he saw, or was presented from MS now that he did not like? It's not clear. He just said that they're too negative, that they take positive stories and turn them negative. And he doesn't like that. And things that he can then say, you cannot be here based on that. Well, getting back to the lawsuit, that warning of a potential ripple effect is one part of it. But legal experts over the weekend and into the beginning of the week once the case was filed, we're saying like this is very clear that the law in this area is clear. It has been for 50 years that you can't exclude reporters just because you don't like what they're reporting. You can't say we are stripping your access to the White House complex because of the complex. of what you're reporting, and many were saying it's pretty clear right now at least at this first stage of this process. Which is different, by the way, from a private company, you know, the NFL or Fortune 500 CEO could say like, "No, we don't want you covering our event. That's fine. Government is generally fundamentally different. But do we have a sense as to how a judge would rule on this or their tea leaves?" So a district judge in DC has said a hearing for Wednesday, judge Timothy Kelly, and he's ordered the administration to file any response to this lawsuit from the three news organizations by today in advance of that hearing. And this is going to be at 3.30 on Wednesday. Now, you know, if you follow media law stuff very closely, you'll think, "Hey, I remember that name." Because judge Tim Kelly was actually the judge that was overseeing the case of former CNN correspondent Jim Acosta back in the first Trump administration. When his hard pass, that's the thing that you used to get into the White House, his hard pass was revoked. And it was eventually restored after a couple of week legal process. And the president also noticed that, and he reacted on social media to the fact that this was the judge assigned to the case, and suggested that he thinks this might not go his way, and has already said in his social media posts that he will need to appeal this case. All right, Karen Traver is covering the White House day and night. She's there right now. All right, we'll talk to you later. Thanks, Brad. Okay, one more quick break. When we come back, remember pretending the floor is lava? Well, now imagine having to play football in the lava. One last thing is next. When you play football, that's when you play football. That's when you play football. That's when you play football, that's when you play football. When you play football. Week 2 of the NFL season is in the books, capped off by the New York Giants and LA Rams on Monday Night Football. But the real story of this week is what was happening during the day games. It's so hot and tense. Look at these folks. They are putting water on the cleats of their player. In Nashville, where the Tennessee Titans were playing the Philadelphia Eagles on Fox. The afternoon temperature was 95 degrees. The humidity made it feel like 105, but right down on the field, on the literal turf, it was reportedly 150 degrees. It was hot as f***ing. And everybody was hot as f***ing. Eagles head coach Nick Sireani said it crossed the threshold into danger territory. I didn't play a snap and I had to get an IV, so. The issue here is not just hot air. It was the ground itself. You see, Nashville, like several NFL stadiums, relies on artificial turf. While it looks like grass, it's made out of polymers that really don't do any of the stuff grass does. It doesn't bring heat into the soil below. It doesn't release cooling water vapor into the air. Instead, it just traps heat, often even more than asphalt, which is why players shoes. Their cleats were literally melting. The defense has had to be out there for a long time for Tennessee. Kevin Winston Jr. is getting water sprayed on his cleats. After the game, several players said their rubber cleats had changed shape over the course of the game. One said the locker room at halftime was like a NASCAR pit stop. Rubber being replaced left and right. This goes beyond footwear though. Eagles offensive lineman, Jordan Milada, said they could literally feel the heat coming up through their shoes, hurting their feet. Like when you walk across a scalding beach barefoot, every step starts to hurt and eventually blister. He says this felt like that, and he wants to bring it up with the players union. This isn't the first time Milada has publicly complained about artificial turf. As an Australian who grew up playing rugby, he was shocked to learn American stadiums would shell out for grass soccer fields to attract the World Cup, only to go right back to the cheaper, more consistent turf for the NFL. If we can make all grass stadiums for the World Cup coming to America, we should be able to at least do it for us. That's bare minimum for us. The NFL has commissioned studies demonstrating no clear evidence that one surface is safer than the other. The Buffalo Bills unveiled a brand new grass field this summer, only to see players cleats tearing it out by their root. Within two weeks they switched back to turf. Part of their concern was that injuries from grass might be too dangerous, but surveys consistently show players overwhelmingly prefer grass. It's not close. We often think of football players as invincible. They're not. Every year there are stories about high school and college kids dying or coming close to it because of heat exhaustion. Reports often mention the air temperature, but maybe we should be asking about the ground temperature as well. I remember once the sprinter Maurice Green ran a race, he won. He took out a fire extinguisher and set off his hot shoes. Now I'm picturing these NFL players being like, "I would actually like that fire extinguisher, please." More on all these stories on ABC News Live, or I have your stream live news. I'm Brad Milky. See you tomorrow. [MUSIC] [MUSIC] [MUSIC] [MUSIC] [MUSIC] [MUSIC] [MUSIC] and the German cookie shop, Shopify.com.com.

Podcast Summary

Key Points:

  1. A Venezuelan national, Wilbur Perez, was shot in the back by ICE agents in Austin, Texas, during a stop for deportation, claiming he was not fleeing and was forcibly detained after a foot chase was never witnessed.
  2. Perez, who had a work permit and was seeking asylum, was allegedly not notified of a hearing due to a change of address, leading to a deportation order in absentia, and now claims he is still in pain with a bullet lodged in his spine and is receiving inadequate medical care.
  3. The incident has sparked outrage across Austin and Texas, with local officials and advocates questioning the use of excessive force by ICE, the lack of access for local law enforcement to investigate, and broader concerns about the safety and rights of undocumented individuals during enforcement operations.

Summary:

A Venezuelan man, Wilbur Perez, was shot in the back by ICE agents in Austin, Texas, during a stop for deportation, sparking widespread outrage. Perez, who had a work permit and was seeking asylum, claims he was not properly notified of a hearing due to a changed address, leading to a deportation order in absentia. He alleges he was driving when armed agents pulled up, forced a U-turn, chased him, and shot him in the back of the neck.

He now says he has a bullet still in his spine, has not received adequate medical care, and was taken from a hospital without proper treatment. Video evidence contradicts ICE’s claim of a foot chase. The incident has ignited public anger, especially amid a growing pattern of violent encounters involving ICE and undocumented migrants.

Austin officials and local authorities have criticized the lack of access to the crime scene and questioned the necessity of deadly force. The case also highlights systemic failures, including poor communication in immigration enforcement and flawed administrative processes. Meanwhile, a separate major technological failure at a New Jersey Transit construction site caused a critical fiber-optic cable to fail, disrupting air traffic control across the Northeast for hours, leading to widespread flight delays and cancellations.

This infrastructure failure underscores the fragility of aging systems despite advances in AI and automation. Additionally, a controversy emerged over the White House blocking reporters from covering a ribbon-cutting event, prompting a lawsuit by CNN, MSNBC, and Politico alleging a violation of First Amendment rights and due process. The case, involving a judge with prior experience in similar media access disputes, could set a precedent for press freedom in government spaces.

The incident reflects broader tensions between executive control of information and constitutional protections for media access, with legal experts emphasizing that such restrictions are unconstitutional. Lastly, extreme heat and dangerous ground temperatures during an NFL game in Nashville highlighted the risks of artificial turf, with players reporting melted cleats and severe heat exposure, raising concerns about player safety and the need for safer, more natural surfaces in stadiums.

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Wilbur Perez, a Venezuelan national with a work permit, was shot in the back by ICE agents while being detained. He claims the bullet remains in his body, he was denied proper medical care, and he was taken from the hospital to an ICE detention center without a bed or adequate treatment.

The public is outraged because ICE agents used excessive force, resulting in a fatal injury, and local authorities were denied access to the crime scene. The incident raises serious concerns about the safety and legality of immigration enforcement actions.

A faulty fiber-optic cable, accidentally damaged by a New Jersey Transit construction crew, disrupted communication systems at key air traffic control facilities. This led to a major grounding of flights at major airports for several hours.

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