The Halsey Episode

Hosey, her views are ballsy, she's more than you might think, she's Picasso and her name is Ashley, we love our friend Hosey, I'm kind of tired today, I'm not gonna lie, why? I'll step up, whenever anyone talks about, oh boy, is that real or, real, real, that's not real, do you want, I swear, you want some caffeine from my strawberry watermelon refresher? No, you got anything non-caffeinated? Well, you're in luck, this is a Spriteberry Blast, well, why don't you hand it over to your boy, because you know what? But I do think you should. I think everything's gonna work out great after we drink these. I'm just gonna put all these to the side. Wait, you're gonna do what? I'm just gonna put them to the side. We can offer her one or something, but I'm not gonna force anything. I wanna offer her the Spriteberry Blast. They take, they're just, these are big, these are big bevs. Okay. Let's put them down here. I know you like a tidy kitchen when people come over. I just like moving. I do. Yeah. I know, Chuck. You prepare that way too, I've seen you. I know, I do, that's why I'm not getting upset. I don't do it. I'm the one that cleans the house. She's here. We're not opening. Do a cartwheel. She invented a style of saying that was so characteristic that it became like a meme. And then I got my son for it. She entered very young on this like mega pop star trajectory. And then it was like. She could draw you perfectly. Man, this is a brand new scape for me and it might be my sunset piece. This is the best. People say this to me all the time. They say, should I call you Dicky or Dave? And I always. So should we call you Dick? Halsey or? Ashley? Ash. Ash. That's what you call me. I call you Ash. Yeah. I like Ash. I prefer it. Really? Yeah. Ash. Yeah. Does Ashley make you feel like you're in trouble? Yes. Yeah. That's exactly right. Yeah. I always feel like my mom is being like, Ashley, Nicole, get downstairs. Do you have sisters? No. Two little brothers. Oh. Yeah. I'm the oldest. Ash, I was going to offer you a drink, but you're holding this, what is that, a tea? We can still offer. It's a tea. If you want, we got drinks from the McCafe, from McDonald's. No, I'm okay. Cap? If I drink more than this, then I'm going to spend the whole time peeing. You can spend as long as you want. Do you pee a lot? Yeah. Oh yeah. You big time pee-er? Yeah. How long have you known Ash? What? Like 11 years. They're like old friends. Yeah. I met you through Benny back in the day. Yeah. It was a Friends Keep Secrets party. Oh, what? And Benny, it was after the iHeartRadio awards, and the place you guys were going to do it fell through. It did? And I was at Benny's first session, and he was like, we're going to do this party. He was on the phone. He was like, Benny fell through, blah, blah, blah. I was like, oh, that's crazy. I just got the keys today to my new house in Beechwood Canyon. I was like, I have this huge house. I remember this now. I remember. It was your house. And I was like, it's completely empty. Oh my God, we threw that massive party. There's no furniture, nothing. It was unbelievable. It got broken up by the police. It was so nice. The police came. Also, I was really stressed out because I got like, I'm about to dox everybody right now. Yeah, do it. Like Katy Perry there, Charlie was there, Wes was DJing. Yeah, yeah. Like, Charlie XCX was there, and Fifth Harmony, Shawn Mendes, everyone from the award show. I wasn't at the award show. I still was there. You were there. I only remember two things about that night, and I can tell you the two things I remember. There were a lot of things. I remember, number one. Oh, I know what you're going to say. No, you don't. I think I do. Say it. Bathroom. Never mind. No, bathrooms were okay. That was a different party. No, Chuck, different party. I know what you're talking about. I'll say that one right after. First thing. Yeah. Chuck, we're sitting by the DJ booth, and it's like the party's like rocking, and it was the first time I ever saw someone famous acknowledge your music publicly. Me? In person with me. Who? And it was Shawn Mendes. Also, I was really stressed out because the police come, and they're like, and I'm drunk. Yeah. And they're like, we want to talk to the owner of the house, and I'm like, well, I guess that's me, because I just bought a house. Yeah. So, I go outside to talk to the police, and they're like, we got to shut this down. I'm like, no, you don't. And they're like, yeah, we do. And I was like, why? I was like, they were like, well, because you're breaking the law. I was like, what law am I breaking? And they were like, well, you're breaking the law. I was like, no, we're not. I don't know what happened to me. I switched on. Yeah. I was like, we're operating within the legal sound decibel limit. I was like, we're not exceeding fire code. There's no cars parked on the street. I was like, and I haven't exceeded the amount of people that I should have on the premises. Wow. Smart. And they were like, well, you're. And I was like, so what law am I breaking? They were like, the law of common sense. Wow. And I was like, that's not a real law. See you later, officers. Yeah. I started walking away. Miley Cyrus was running out the door. She had a bag of Postmates in her hand. She's like, gotta go, girl. Gotta go. She's running away. Okay. You were talking. I think you were talking about this one. One time, we were at a restaurant. Yeah. And I was like, no, you're breaking the law. I was like, you're breaking the law. Okay. I was like, no, you're breaking the law. Okay. Yeah. Okay. You were talking. One time, we were at a party. Mm-hmm. And I really had to shit. Uh-huh. And I said, Dave, will you come keep me company? I don't want to walk through the. Yeah. And it was some huge bathroom. And I think we were in the primary room or something. Yeah. The good room. And we're taking shit. And it's taking so long. It's taking so long. It's taking so long. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The good room. And it's taking a long time. Not we, Benny. Well, I am. I am. What are you doing? The royal we. The royal we. I'm just there. I'm just hanging out. I'm taking a shit. And Dave goes, there's someone in here. And I said. Yeah. And I said, what? Yeah. And he said, I think there's someone in here. And I said. Because we were in the bathroom of a bedroom. Of a bedroom. Of the big bedroom. And I was like, really? And we're like, look out. And we basically decide to walk in. And we walk out. And as we're walking out, we cross paths with you and a person you were dating at the time. And it was. I don't remember this at all. It was. It wasn't like you weren't hooking. No. It was not even dramatic or dirty. No. You were going into the bedroom as we were leaving. Yeah. It was just. It happened to be a person you were dating at the time. Yeah. I think I do remember this. Was it that party that was at Michael Jackson's old house? I don't know. No. They all blend together, these parties. You guys have fun. This is a different life. All of us. You guys have a different life. I blew up a bathroom. We're walking out and you think someone's in there. Did you guys know each other at the time? Oh, yeah. Okay. I wish I was around for those parties. I really would have enjoyed that. Selena will always be like. She'll be like, "Don't you miss the party life?" And I'm like, "No." And then she's like, "Why?" And I was like, "The point. " She's like, "Don't you want to throw more parties?" And I said, "No." I said, "The point of the party is to find you. " To meet the love of my life. Yeah. I said, "The party's over." Thank you. I won the party. That's not the only reason you guys were having them, was it? You guys were doing it for fun. Everyone, right? I felt my entire happiness was totally predicated around the romantic opportunity of the night. That's so not why I was doing it. I used to throw a lot of parties. It was not because I was looking for love. You were just trying to party. No, I just was like, "This will make people like me." Oh. Yeah. Oh, really? Yeah. I was like, "I'm going to throw a party." I was like, "I'm going to throw a party." I was like, "I'm going to throw a party." That's different, though. I did only meet you because of the party. It's true. It worked. But are you a social person in real life, or were you doing this thing? No, not really. Wow. I was like fucking Gatsby. What's that mean? I used to throw parties, and then I'd go hide. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. And then I'd go out, and people would come up to me, like on the street. Yeah. Yeah. And they'd be like, "What an amazing time at your house. You throw the best parties." And I'd be like, "Hell yeah. I don't remember any of that. Don't know who that person was." Yeah. You throw the best parties." And then I'd go out, and people would come up to me, like on the street. You throw the best parties." And I'd be like, "What an amazing time at your house. You throw the best parties." Yeah. And I'd be like, "What an amazing time at your house. You throw the best parties." And they'd be like, "What an amazing time at your house. You throw the best parties." In my chart Like when I got diagnosed with lupus They were like We could have called Like if someone was paying attention We could have figured this out Like eight years ago How did it take them so long? Cause I just Did you not go to the doctor? Never complained Did you go to the doctor? No Oh that's I just I also like you know I grew up like Where are you from? Jersey Oh Philly Yeah Yeah Where are you from? Michigan Where are you from? Near Rutgers Why do you do that When you think about Do you not love the Oh no He's asking where in Jersey I'm from It's hard to say I moved a lot Do you have any friends? Do I have any friends? No I mean no not really Really? I always say like The way my parents raised me Accidentally made me like Really well equipped for Your career My career Yeah I'm like used to moving Like I don't have like I'm not attached to like one place Yeah You know Did you experience like a high school In one sitting? I did yeah How was your high school experience? What do you guys think it was like? Were you cool? Can we sit on the couch? No I wasn't cool You want to sit on the couch? No you weren't cool I know you don't want No No she's nerdy She's like unbelievably intelligent That doesn't matter I wasn't hot But I was still smart and cool You said you weren't cool Cool guy just thought Wait you got big off like Tumblr right? Yeah I never I never had a Tumblr experience Really? Yeah I do remember when I was younger They had like the best Like Like pictures It was really cool It was really like well curated Like it's for like art Yeah Is it Is it You know I also never had experience With MySpace Are they similar in just No No It's very different MySpace is like Gerber baby food This is like This is like Tumblr's like Tumblr's like Your mother making you perfect Like organic food Like it's so curated I actually don't I haven't thought about Tumblr In a long time But I did used to love it I still have one I thought that they No I still have one Are you still active on it? No Yeah but I guess I have like a very small But it used to be like Following there It's like where I go to post stuff That I don't want everybody else To make a big deal Out of Yeah You know like I could post Like a really sad poem on there Or like a life update And it never makes its way To like the regular press It's a respectful community Yeah If I do Yes it is But if I It's like if I posted the same thing On like Instagram Or something like that They'd be like She wants to kill herself Yeah the next day It'd be like Ozzy posts troubling Fucking Like alright Do you think I feel this way And maybe I'm wrong Because I'm Like I don't I'm not I'm basing this off of nothing But I feel like Each little like internet thing Has a different personality There's like Yeah Yeah Totally The way they speak on Instagram The way they speak on YouTube The way they speak on Reddit I post certain things on TikTok That I would never post On my Instagram ever Yeah I think that also One thing that I Like had a hard time with Was Tumblr took itself so seriously But also like you could Really joke around And it didn't matter Yeah It was also faceless Like you know what I mean Like you could post like poetry Photos Art Like it was more about What you were making Yeah And what you were into Yeah Than it was about like What you looked like Or what you So that was really Important And if you did have Like an aesthetic Of the way you The way you looked That was helpful Yeah It's like you know I did obviously I had like the hair colors And like all that stuff Oh yeah the hair The hair I totally just forgot It was like a place to curate it Her hair was like The whole thing What do you mean? Did you have pink hair At one time? I had every Every color hair She had two Extremely famous hairs Yeah the blue It was blue Yeah Blue was like How long did you have Blue hair for? Long enough Have you Long enough Are you gonna say it? No No What are you gonna say? I was gonna say Have you like Do you ever bring it back For fun? Didn't you just do it? I just did it You just did it And I remember When you brought it back It was like But do you ever bring it back Outside of that or no? No I mean it was the 10 year anniversary Of Badlands And I did like an anniversary tour So I brought the blue hair Back for that You fully dyed your hair My debut album Yeah I dyed my hair Like every couple weeks Really? Yeah I got tough hair You must My hair I got tough hair Do you like going on tour? Love it Yeah I love it Is that your happy place On the stage? Yeah I love performing It's like kind of The only reason I still Yeah Make music It's your favorite part Of the whole thing Is performing Yeah I like making The records too I like it a lot better now Yeah Like it used to be Really stressful Labels were like Really involved Did that change though Or was it just Like labels changed? Yeah No I think I don't know I think I just I got less famous So people stopped Caring as much What do you mean? You know what I mean Like when you're making Pop records And like it was Like all Lots of pressure And it was like It was kind of nice That everyone was like Just like let me do my thing You know? You think you're less famous Now than before? But what is Like how do you measure That nowadays? Is it just like You feel like it's You just can sense it? Yeah I'm truly asking Out of curiosity I don't measure That you're less famous I'm asking out of curiosity No yeah I don't know I guess like I think it'll swing It's all cyclical Totally You know I'm just like Really enjoying This time right now You had a What's it called? Like a You're saying like When you go outside Like nobody knows Who you are? No that's not What I'm saying No she's saying She was like She entered very young On this like Mega pop star trajectory Sure It was really You were being pulled In every direction Now you feel like You're like I can breathe Yeah And for you That's like I must Oh so my life Just looks different You know? Like I'm not just I'm not doing that She was living Every step Being like bigger Bigger How can I Like she's like Yeah It was like Every award show You're doing a performance You're flying a this You're doing you know I remember It was like this It was like She's like Put out And it was like this And people were like Oh this is like This is like a thing And then it just went like Literally It went like from here It was like angling up You're like Oh this could be good And then it was like And like And like hit through the thing But then when you said That you realized You were unhappy When you first realized That you were like Taking off Were you like Riding a high Or Oh my god ecstatic Which one was your first number one? Closer Song Yeah yeah My first solo number one Was Without me Are you excited To make a new album? Yeah Have you started it? No God no Hip hop album? One day No Definitely not Do you push it off? Like do you get anxiety About Never I always want to be doing it now But I actually like I feel like The way it happens for me Is I I always kind of like I always like Find a I don't want to say Like a vibe But there's always Like a story Or like a You know Something like that Like a theme Yeah And I stumble upon that And then it's like When that feels right I'm like okay Go off and So what do you do now? Like what did you do last week? Last week I went to Vancouver With Avin Went to go visit his parents Brought Ender Then I flew home I did treatment Oh my god Which was What's treatment? Oh Yeah yeah yeah I did chemo Which I do twice a year now You're still doing Okay Twice a year for That's tough The Foreseeable future I guess Way better though Than It used to be like Once a month Is it so scary? Yeah It's like I'm used to it now What does it make you feel like? Horrible Like for like a couple days Like just nauseous? If you feel like Okay the way I explain it to people Is like you're being poisoned Cause like you are So like imagine like the worst The gnarliest hangover You've ever had in your life Yeah You also did like a ton of drugs You didn't drink any water It's like my best friend Got breast cancer Like when she was 25 Oh my god And so she did the She did all of it It's like Like It's like you're Entire body is being Poisoned Yeah So you got Is it breast cancer? No no I didn't have breast cancer I had a blood cancer Oh Yeah I have a blood cancer Yeah Okay I have It's chronic So I'm gonna have it Is that why you have to Keep getting chemo? Yeah Yeah okay But I also do it to treat My lupus Oh it helps with that? Yeah Is it Can you get I might be wrong with this But like It's very hard to have Lupus If you're white Correct? Yeah It's like mostly It's predominantly It's mostly like people of color African American African women Oh really? And Latin women Yeah Latin women Yeah that's what I thought That's what I thought And I'm half black So Yeah so that was another thing too Is like A lot of my doctors were like That sucks you look so white Because we probably would have Found this a lot sooner If we knew And I was like I told you guys They were like Yeah we didn't really Take it seriously Didn't really consider it The genes are the same brother McDonald's has a subdivision I don't know if they call it A subdivision But it's called The McCafe And what this subdivision Of McDonald's does Is it pumps out Beverages that are so high end Starting with the Strawberry watermelon Refresher Why can't you speak? Because you're so excited About the watermelon Refresher Because he's got a little bit Of caffeine in him And he's feeling really good And when you have A little bit of caffeine In you You can You gotta look at this Like a reset Almost like a reward Those little strawberries Bouncing around I mean it's a way To get through the day For me Honestly You don't have to use This type of language I love it It is a way To get through the day Yeah honestly It's a reason To hang with friends Try all the new McCafe drinks Now at McDonald's Guys We gotta figure out Our outdoor patio areas Furniture wise And I think Wayfair Would be a valuable player In that There are a lot of options I think I sent you a few If you could just go through I've gone through it Chuck You mind Yeah you did You mind buying me something? I really could use A nice cooler To put all of our I'm never gonna Buy you anything Why? You have more money than me Get prepped for Patio season For way less Head to Wayfair.com right now To shop all things home That's W-A-Y-F-A-I-R dot com Wayfair Every style Every brand Every home You know when you say That you stumble upon a theme Yeah Do you mean like a Like a story vibe Of like kind of Or do you mean like A sonic vibe That's like Oh either Oh okay One or the other And then eventually both And does it like Is it like based on What you're going through In life at the time? Could be Yeah My life is way less Dramatic than it was Do you find that like As an artist It's like harder to pull From the more mundane Parts of your life Or do you think It's just not even Thinking about it? I don't know I think so I think It's interesting Because I think that I think As a society We've gotten so used to receiving really mundane information you know like everyone loves like influencers and podcasts and YouTubers where everyone's just kind of being like this is my day to day blah blah blah like this show this is hard hitting journalism I am a product of my experiences and like I'm so responsible like if I didn't have my notes so many jokes in my show wouldn't exist because I'm just so like when something funny happens I really do I'm like oh my god I have to write that down it's like so specific I don't like go out to gain material I really like try to live life and then whatever happens happens I'm just getting something from the fridge but you're like aren't you like a you're like an artist and so many don't you like do so many different types of art beyond like aren't you like can't you draw really well yeah I paint yeah I'm definitely like a physical artist but I like that I have that for myself though she's the best she's the best drawer I've ever seen she can she could right now draw you perfectly in seconds you can put me on the spot I used to do benny doodles it's crazy she's drawn overalls for me that are like my prized possessions I love those overalls you can draw can't you no listen so I it's funny you give big I can draw energy I'm the worst drawer to the point where I had to like I had to take an art course in college so I was like and I was getting great grades and all the other things and I was so bad at drawing that I was like you couldn't grade me well like I was gonna fail the class cuz the drawings were so bad and I couldn't really show improvement so drawing is actually my biggest weakness now I have just for relaxation purposes started to like paint in kind of an abstract way that's great right have no idea what I'm doing I don't and it's because with my art sometimes I really I mean all the time I'm like so analyzing everything which is kind of the antithesis of art of like free-flowing let it but with with painting I'm so bad that I really don't hold myself accountable and I just free-flow when we did that you you it was a praise in the person who it is my art was appraised oh my god but he's fine I say Simon is famous no that one was great you had one painting talking about American farce yes you have one painting that's a stroke of genius everything else is terrible I have three or four that are strokes of genius no you have one I can stroke genius every now and then okay go stroke genius right now I believe it I believe that you have supplies you can stroke genius can I attempt to strike genius as a painter and you doodle maybe Benny or Chris we could all doodle and pay I don't know yeah we should all doodle I'm terrible I need a lot of time and quiet time and to focus go get the go get the stuff but you're good at drawing okay we'll go set it on yeah it's like the one thing I objectively can't be like she's incredible you know I find it on like SNL or some ride yeah do it for fun oh wait Eastside yeah what truly number one before I even knew who Benny was one of my favorite songs ever I think I love she thought I was Khalid she thought Benny was Khalid honey I didn't know I just said we're all little cool okay I'm gonna have the production team bring out and set up the paint so that's too much for one man okay actually pain but before we paint you should hold up from around the table yeah we should have a white claw I pulled it from the seat the reason that we should have this white cloth first is because we're living in the moment and I know that's something that white claw values and they value camaraderie and friendship and I think us doing art as a team even though I will probably stand out as an individual is something that is something to be cheers hey since we're in the moment you might grab in me and Kristen a few white cloths how about you share this one okay and I'll make sure we get all set up with the art supplies okay because I'm a really great artist we got a lot of shit I think I'm gonna blow you out of the water you don't understand my style is of the painter you guys draw me and Dave well we're the same person so just draw me check you're where she's gonna make something better than that's in under five minutes nothing's gonna be better when I'm gonna do it it's unbelievable yeah I was gonna say you guys like being married oh my god yeah it helped oh you guys go first I love it but it feels no different than it feels no different to me yeah yeah but I do like that it feels like you have family for life oh I've been engaged for two years oh you have yes are you getting married yes we're gonna we're just really fucking busy you know I'll go to Benny's wedding and we were like Jesus oh like is this what a wedding is supposed to be like we're doing everything wrong oh my god I forget do I have water that I'm supposed to dunk the brush in it depends are you using acrylics I don't know what does it say in the bottle acrylic paint yeah yeah yeah so then you can if you want the paint to be thinner and more watery then you can I need a big brush in the water I need a big brush I think there's more brushes yeah yeah yeah okay so I just gotta you know you should do it you're on me that one in the corner Chris Kristen is that me we're here is that a Christmas tree I was just getting warmed up okay I'm trying to get my hand I'm looking at mine look it's gonna take me a second to get situated guys do it so light oh I like this light light wait till you see my I'm I might wow you I'm gonna drop Benny I can't even tell you what I'm gonna draw cuz my spirits gonna take over don't they say drawing a hand is the hardest thing or fingers right I don't know I explained to you how I operate when I paint yes I I have no idea what I'm doing I can't like if you said like draw a person I can't do that impressively all I can do is randomly do stuff and sometimes in my randomness I will all of a sudden see a person and then once I see what the thing is that I'm sure that I'm painting without realizing what it is to begin with once I see it it's about how fast can I get out you're already ahead of the curve the longer I stay in the more I can fuck it up I did a lot of realism like oh yeah I can I when I started painting I started painting again after my son was born and I got like an art studio and I would go there when he was like asleep at night and I would go and I'd paint and I had a really hard time because so much of what I learned about art was about technique and it was about proving how good you can be instead of proving like how emotionally meaningful yeah so I had to really it was really hard for me to unlearn like nobody cares how well I can draw something in front of me and make it look like a picture what someone I care I care about that a lot I just had to do a lot of unlearning in the regard because I was like it's very straight-a student vibes I wasn't like a cool artist who is like what I have to say I was like look how good I can do it when did you know you could draw oh when I was really little was that like you're like number one thing for a long time until music or were you doing both at the same yeah I know I thought I was gonna be I was like an art major yeah oh wow yeah you're on tumblr it's like yeah I was like you know what will be the best career is is being a painter that's the best thing I can do will make me a lot of money and then when I realized that that wasn't a real career option for me it is for some people I was like I should do something that's more financially responsible like try to be a pop star well I can't believe you just that you just decided I think I just created a really good color and I might I'm gonna I get performance anxiety where I've already taken I've already gotten like four new pieces of paper my hand is cramping up you can't mess up there's no mess I can't even draw a circle I'm not even messing up I'm just drawing I can just do abstract then no it's impossible and mess up it's art yeah I might have just made an error there's no such thing as errors yeah but I try to infuse the green and I might have just ruined everything no don't worry check it's gonna be good I think I got to inject some pink oh I got a good base here though I gotta tell you wow I've never been in this hue before this is a brand new scape are you discovering the new style man this is a brand new scape for me and it might be my sunset piece he's been discovering the new style this honestly might be my career for the last 11 years drawing people is so uncomfortable because you're like staring at them and they're like stop fucking looking at me same thing my whole life like I draw like ears the same way yeah you know what I just realized what this thing is upside down that's okay oh you're oh I see what you mean you fit you fit you found that it was upside down in it it's not true maybe it's perhaps maybe horizontal no it's just I'm still figuring it out I'm still in the figure out process I don't know how do you feel about it Dave are you excited to ship to show it no I haven't even started I'm serious well you better get started soon all I've been doing is laying a base it's called activating the canvas is that what it's called do you know what Finland there's a bread you can buy and it's called juicy pussy and that's the real bread it's just a normal bread company are you talking about there's a normal bread company is it just spelled something similar and you're just childish and you just childish here you you tell me what you think I'm combining how would you pronounce this check I don't know but it's Kristen Giuseppe Giuseppe see how would you pronounce Giuseppe see Giuseppe see that's how I pronounce it Giuseppe see yeah you don't know that it's not Giuseppe see it's literally juicy pussy you see pussy yeah I don't know you don't know how they say it it's called just Beavis and butthead when you were the Did you feel the worst, do you think? Like, was there ever a time where you were like, holy shit, this is sick? Yeah. No, I had times like that. Like, you mean like where you were able to be like, this is what a cool experience? Yeah, where I'd be like, this is dope. And like, younger me would have flipped the hell out, you know, to see my life be this way. The coolest was probably, I made an album with Trent Reznor. Oh, yeah. And I have like a, we were filming like the process and we were filming when I had my like initial Zoom call with him where we were talking about if we were going to do the record or not. And he was very complimentary of me as like a songwriter. And that was kind of like a moment for me where I was like, cool. Yeah, that's cool. Nobody can ever make me feel like shit about myself ever again. Fuck all y'all opinions. It sucks. Trent Reznor just said I was a good songwriter and we're going to make an album together. Yeah. Get fucked. Did you read comments? Me? Yeah. Hey, I used to. I do sometimes still. Because if you were to remove yourself from the internet and just look at all of your success, wouldn't you be like, man, I'm like a. Yeah, I would definitely be like, I'm so dope. It's just because you probably, yeah, get the internet. Well, they have power. Yeah. Only if you give it to them. We don't sell anything as in life. I think we're also. I think we're also from a generation where like, since we, we grew up on like the cusp of social media, like we didn't grow up with it all the time, like some of these younger kids have, but we grew up where it like, it mattered what the kids from our like high school or college or whatever we're saying on there, where we have like a really weird relationship with it, you know, where we can't ignore it the way that they do. Yeah. I mean, imagine being a kid today, like a true kid. No. But they don't know. Yeah. I actually don't understand how they do that. Imagine us like. YouTube came out when I was. And caught. I was a senior in high school. Oh, really? 2006. Oh, yeah. Jack, how's your thing going? The imagery is dark and it's about, it's about, I think it's about war. It's about war? Well, that's relevant. I wish it wasn't so. Yeah. Maybe you're feeling internal stress about what's going on. Maybe you'll become one of the most important like political artists of our time. I hope not. Because I don't know enough about. Or maybe like when we're all dead. Yeah. People will like discover the art that you made. Yeah. And it'll end up in your like biography that you were really important. I'm scared to make any. You'll help me reach anthropologists about this time. You have like a lot of aggressive political commentary. I like this sound. I wonder if anybody else does. How come you switch paintings? Me? Yeah. Well, I didn't love what I did in my last work, but. I liked your last one. And you have so much hair. Are you getting close to mine? I think so. You think Dave's getting close to his masterpiece? He's probably edging. Are you edging, Jack? It's a war zone. Looks like a bloodbath. Is it a lot of red? No, it's not what you expect, but it's definitely about. War. War. America and war and the state of our world. Yeah. It's dark, but it's light at the same time. There's some hope to it. There's optimism within it? Kind of, but it's a tragedy of a piece. What do you want to call it? I think it's called American War. Is it a companion piece to American Farce? It might be. It actually might be. Are you disappointed? No, it's just, it's a lot to take in. It's jarring. It's like, I didn't think that this is what it would be at all. You seem like you like it though. I can't, I mean, like, you can't help but both be shocked by it and in awe of it, I think. I don't like that I like it. I think that's the thing. Kristen, do you think you're going to like mine? I think I will like yours. I think I'll like everyone's. Do you guys think you'll like mine? I don't think you'll like mine, but I think you'll see that there is talent deep, deep within. I see yours. I like yours. Is that a cockroach? My guy kind of looks like Tupac. Who are you drawing? I was just, like, drawing. Whatever came to your head. I was drawing Kristen. Sorry, you started saying it looks like Tupac. I was like, who the fuck here? I'm drawing Kristen. I can't believe Dave said mine looks like a cockroach. Chuck, don't make a decision like that. Yeah, the part of art is having the connection. Control to believe in yourself and knowing when to stop. Don't do it. Knowing when to stop and trusting that you're done. And trusting that it's time to put it out. Now it's done. You guys, I've been using Canva. You know Canva? Oh, yeah. I've been taking pictures of places in our house, then I ask it to, I prompt it, and I say, can you redesign the space for me? And I have a lot to show the two of you. Oh, really? Like, what part of the home? Well, our bedroom. Oh. And the upstairs studio. Oh. And the downstairs. I think we could do something different with, like, the shelves. So you, so Canva is telling you options, I guess. It's helping us. Is it telling you prices? Not yet. Canva makes design easy for anyone with built-in AI that lets you remove, generate, and animate content in just a click. Start designing today at Canva.com. White Claw. Remember that one time when we hung out and then we never stopped hanging out for 15 years? We really grabbed life by the claw. Was I in that group chat? No, but you're in it now. You're our new, say yes. Say yes to being in it for the rest of our lives. I'll say yes. Yes. Guys, you know, I will tell you, there's nothing better than spontaneous hangs with White Claw. I got a little, I'm having some issues. Please drink responsibly. Hard seltzer with flavors. White Claw, White Claw seltzer works. Okay. Chicago, Illinois. Okay, you ready? Ready? Ready? Yes! Yes! Responsibly, hard seltzer with flavors. White Claw seltzer works. Chicago, Illinois. Say yes. Okay, where are you at? Oh, are we done? I can be done. No, you can keep going. This is fun. I can be done. I'm relaxed. I don't have to be done. I can't wait to see the. Who's going first? Not me. Well, I'll go first. I'll go first. Okay, Chris and Joe, all four of. Because Dave already said it looked like a cockroach. All four of your paintings. Now, pretend that I. Here's what I want you to pretend before I show it. Pretend that I have made money off of making art, and pretend that people love my art. Okay. I understand. And, like, this is, like, she's done another one. Yep. Okay, ready? Yep. Oh, wow. The roach. I really like the. Is that Benny? The point of view. Is it a penguin? You know what's crazy about it is I've drawn the same thing since I've been five. That? You've drawn that? I drew trees and a face that looks like this. That's crazy. Is it good? You've drawn that multiple times. That one disturbs me. Yeah, I think I might have sent you to a therapist if you were going to get me through that. That's crazy. Oh, okay. Okay. That's even more disturbing. That's worse. It's a heart. I don't like that one. It's kind of like. That's a crazed chimp. Yours are, like, demonic. It's a bit dolly. Like, yeah. No, that's my least favorite. All right. Why don't you show yours, hotshot? I wouldn't say mine was great. Let's see what you got, big boy. Let's see what you got, thick guy. Hey, Chuck. Pretty painting, huh? Friends isn't. takey? Tricky. Who is that supposed to be? I don't know. Me? It was just a man. I'm surprised. That's a lot. Kind of looks like Tupac. That is a lot better than I thought you'd be able to do. That is good. Yeah. I'm surprised you'd be able to do something that good. I'm almost upset. Why? Can I see it again? I thought that you were going to be bad. I like that a lot. That's incredible. I'm shocked that you can do that. That kind of. I like the details in the forehead. Yeah. Forehead. I hate. I think you ruined the dialogue. Like, if you wrote the perfect thing there, I would have, you know. Okay. Okay. Asked is it your turn? Or no, Dave's turn first. I don't think. I think once you've seen mine, you're not going to want to do much of anything else. That's fine. Let's do. I can go next if you want to go last. It's not just depressing. It's about. We'll keep. We'll quit. It's a war. I know yours is going to be incredible. I can tell. Oh, my God. It's Benny. I'm shocked. I did not think that's what it was going to be like. I mean. That's cool. I like it. It's beautiful. Can you draw anything? Probably. Look at that. It looks like a fucking. Will you draw a fat? I can try. Will you draw a fast doodle of Kristen? Just a fast doodle. But are you going to be a good sport about it? Yeah, she'll be a good sport. I'm a good sport. I'm a good sport. Just like a fast doodle. Wait, can I look at this? This is the best thing I've ever seen in my life. I mean, this is. Does the world know that you can do this? Yes. They don't care. She did it literally on SNL while singing. Nobody cares. You know, I'm going to have to. Don't look at this. I have to set it up, and then you can look. Okay, okay. No one else. I'm going to look, but nobody else will. Don't look. No, don't, don't, don't. We're not looking. Just look towards me. Dave, are you over here? No, not yet. I'm almost done. Don't look, don't look. Okay. Don't look. Okay, hold on. Hold on. We have to wait. Yeah, you guys can look. Wow. It doesn't feel depressing at all. No. Wow. And that's the saddest part of it. No, I think it feels quite okay. It feels like just another day. I know. That's really good. Good job. The palette is really nice. It's like, it's very floral. It's giving like water lilies. Crosshairs. Over there, I really like those colors over there. It's like Aurora Borealis. This is an attack, a planned attack. Oh. Those are the fighter jets. Jake, I just don't like the splatter part. No, I love the splatter. Who wants, I mean. I like how the splatter matches the A. The texture's great. USA. The A is a different color because, what is it? Just happenstance. Okay. For sure. I actually really like this. I do too. I think that looks so good over there. You can take it home if you want. I think I might have to. Only if we can have this. Can I have this? Yeah. That's me. Well, put it on the wall. I just think. If I'm going to draw, you have to stand still, Kristen, if you want to do this. One, two, three. No, hold on. Stop. Stop. Chuck, you want me to cut around the doodle, this stuff, right? Whoa, Chuck, what are you doing? Just leave it. I like it just how it is. I like the idea that we were going to edit it, but we chose not to. No, no, no. Okay. Now, but I can cut off this part, right? Well. This wasn't shown. No, leave it folded. Just leave it. Just put it in the thing and leave it. Okay, Chuck, you like it. Actually, take it with you and frame it. Take care of it. Bring it back to be framed. Nope, Chuck, I'm not. Actually, keep it on the clipboard and frame the clipboard. Okay? Bring it back framed. Thank you, Chuck. Have you ever sung the national anthem? Fuck no. Oh. I don't have that kind of voice. Can you just sing it? Like, if we were like, I'm not saying that you have to do this, but if we were just like, yeah, sing the national anthem, you would just be able to sing it and you would feel good about it and everybody, we'd be like, this is like, she did it. No. Absolutely not. No, but as a singer, you have to, oh. No, no way. She invented a style of singing that was so characteristic. Like, that it became like a meme and everyone in the world started pretending to sing like her. Yeah, and then I got made fun of for it. No, really? Yeah. Everybody else was eating my, eating off my fucking plate. Because you were the first to do it, you think? There was a couple years where like, if you put on the radio, I would go, is that me? No, that's not me. That one's not me. When I record with Benny, I call it baby voice. What's that mean? It's, I like her baby voice. It's my favorite. It's like, more like, high pitched, like, sassy. Like, all the songs we did, like, Eastside, they all have baby voice. I like Eastside, but what was your big, the, uh. Without me? Yes. Yeah. Was that, that's not the baby voice? I, there's a little bit of baby voice in that song. Yeah, there's both. Maybe it was like, empowered, like, cool. Like, Nightmare's not baby voice. No. It's a different. But you also kind of have, like, Eastside, don't you have like, kind of like a, kind of like a rapper's cadence almost in the way that she, yeah. You know what's funny? That's why I love doing songs that Ed starts so much. Oh, yeah. He's like the only writer that I really. But you also do a rapper's cadence a lot. Well, I was going to say, because we write so similarly. It's like syncopated. It's very. She's so lyrical. Like, the lyrics come to her, like. What's rapper's, like, cadence? It just means, like, instead of it being like. No, she's like, it's like rhythmic. It's like da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da. Like, more syllables than, you know. Yeah. I don't even think, I don't even think you remember, like, how many songs of hers that you know. Oh, my God. Oh, do you need a napkin or something? No, I'll wash my hands later. It does. You get a lot of the pen, or the pencil. Oh, wow. It's just a little cutie. I make you like a Bratz doll. Oh, wow. Let me see. I love it. I make you into, like, a Bratz doll. Let me see. Oh, my God. I love it. Can we keep it? You can do so much. Yeah, I just spilled wine all over my microphone. You have to stay all day. I'm sorry. And night. What's your favorite of your own songs ever? I think Nightmare is one. Because it's such a unique song. I've never heard another song that sounds like that ever. Like, it's such a unique song. I play it every night. I've never, I haven't done a show since that song came out where I don't play. I don't play that song. We made hella songs. We went on tour together. We've made so much music. Really? Yeah, we went on tour. Are they, like, jumping around at your shows and getting wild? Yeah, they're, like, losing their mind. It's like a rock show. It is now, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, my show's been more like rock vibes. It's like not going to a pop show. No, it looks crazy. I'm a Travis Scott. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I perform like a psychopath. People come to the shows and they're like, I know that song. And then I get out there, I'm, like, screaming and jumping around like fire. They're like, what the fuck? It's fun. Have you ever been on a show? I've never gotten hit by, like, a pyrotechnic, like, where it blows. Like, one time I was on stage and I got blown in the face and it was jarring. I have a few times, yeah. Nothing, like, I was injured. But definitely a few times where I've been like, that could have been horrible. Close call. Yeah. Like, a few. I had, like, a really scary experience once. I was in Turkey. I was in Istanbul and I was going to do a show. And I, there was, like, a 2,000 pound truss that was, like, broken on top of the stage. And they were trying to break it. And they were trying to decide if they were going to let me go out or not. It was, like, hanging. And I was like, this is, am I going to die? Yeah. Did you perform? I did, yeah. Oh, my God. Everything was okay. Were you on edge the whole time? I was. I wouldn't go out unless I knew that someone could be, tell me for sure that it was safe. But they weren't sure for, like, an hour. And then finally they, like, got it in a place where it was, like, good or whatever. I am a mess right now. I have a question about making music. Before you make an album, do you think, like, ooh, like, because are you gearing up to make an album? Yes and no. Yeah, I am. I'm, like, I'm getting ready to go. I like to go, okay, this is so stupid. I usually like to go away for, like, a little bit and just write stuff. So, like, not necessarily music, but I have to go, like, I have to go play, like, pretend for a little. I like that. Like, you have to, like, change your mindset. Yeah, I have to go become someone for, like, a little bit. Like poems of self-expression? Yeah. Like, I have to go, like, live a different life for a little bit. Get out of your own head, you think, for a while and, like, touch to something. Yeah. Yeah, like, I'll go, like. I'll be, like, okay, I'm going to go get an Airbnb in, like, Japan and, like, go to this little market and, like, hang out with the kids in the park and, like, cook. And I'm, like, I'm someone else for, like, a little bit. And then I kind of see the world through that perspective or, like, I'll be, like, you know, I'm going to go live in a cabin in the forest. And when you're doing this and you're writing phrases and whatnot, is there even music involved or you just write the words and then, like, later the music comes and you remember the few phrases you have? I pretty much always write the words first. Interesting. Yeah. And, like, because I'm really, like, wordy, percussive. Yeah. I feel like the music sort of, like, reveals itself. Huh. Like, there's certain cadences. Yeah. That the rhymes or, like, the words have to fit in and so that really helps with. Interesting. The melodies are just kind of already there. You know what I mean? I've never written any lyrics without the beat. Really? Ever. Never? No, because, but I, it's my own, I'm so trying to make, like, the best version of itself. This is probably my flaw as an artist. And I'm always trying to, like. Does the beat have to be, like, almost printable or do you just need, like, a bass? I don't know. I want the beat because, you know how, like, beats have, like, different turns and, like, I want to, like, optimize every moment and be, like, this is the best way that I could go from this. But at the end of the day, it's kind of my downfall as an artist. Sure. Because I'm trying to optimize every moment as far as, like, the raw. And you're trapped to that container. Exactly. Of the song. Yeah. I used to make Benny pull up all his, like, rapper beats. Yeah. Like, I'd be, he'd, like, sit down and when we first started working, like, he'd be, like, all right, cool, I have these, like, you know, starts, these, like, pop song starts. And I'd be, like, mm-mm. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, I'd be, like, go and get me the folder that you saved for, like. Like the juice world folder. Yeah, yeah, 100%. And then I'd write and then we'd have to, like, de-rapify them because I always sounded, like, weird. Do you like working with Benny? I love working with Benny. Benny's also, we're, like, the most efficient people ever. We can get, like, three songs done in a day. He's, uh, he, I feel like one of your strengths. It's that you don't waste time. You're, you, you pretty much know what's good and what's not. And you really, once you, you don't waste time. I would never bring anything to the table that's not worthy. Or let it go down a path that wasn't worth it. No, yeah, yeah. I'd rather just quit. He really has a feel of a path that's, like, brutal. Yeah, I'd rather. Oh, no, I know. He'll be, like, let's try something else. And I'll be, like, no. But I was almost, he's, like, nah. I'm, like, okay. Yeah, I just, I, I cut off the idea so quick. You can't be, like, thin-skinned, I think. I've gotten this far just by trusting my gut. It doesn't feel right. Yeah. Like, it's, like, I'm not really that good at anything. I just think I have pretty good instincts. Good gut. Yeah, I think I have a good gut. Do you think your instincts are right 100% of the time? No, but I think they're right more than they're not. So there's songs out there that might be forgotten about? I'm sure, I'm sure. I think that you actually, I don't actually don't agree with you fully. I think there's things you're objectively very talented at that you have a lot that you bring to the table. But I would say your best skill set is that you are an excellent curator. You can curate friends, artwork, interior design. He is a good, yeah. An outfit, a song, a sound. Like, you understand all the different parts of a thing that have to come together to make it its best thing and its most unique experience. There's never a time where I feel like you would say something was a big song and it wouldn't be. I've been wrong sometimes. Degrees of big. Yeah, but usually it's beyond your control. Usually if you're wrong about that, it's because of something weird that happened with, like, the market or the way it was released. Or the label promoted it or whatever. It's not always as big. You know? Do you think you'll always be able to just guarantee big songs? I think, I think what I know is, I think I know what people want. What people want. Like, I think if, if. What women want. If there's a full. If there's a full, like. I think if we have this thing right here, I think I'll know what clips to make of this thing that will make people want to watch it. I don't have that skill set. A lot of artists don't. No, I don't have that skill set. Do you know, like, when you make a song, I know you know and you love it, but do you also, are you like, I think this could be a big song? Do you have those thoughts? I think so, yeah. And I've also learned to listen to myself in that regard because I've had other people bet on records and I've been like, no, it's this one. Yeah. And also, like, I think that perspective always proves victorious in the end where it's like, you know. You've got to believe in yourself. Yeah. But I feel like that's a hard thing as an artist to be able to, like, hone in and trust your instinct. So many artists pick the wrong songs. But it's also because you're putting yourself on such, like, you're putting yourself out there so at the same time to have the self-belief to be like, I'm going to trust my instinct while you're also being so vulnerable is a, that's how you become successful. Sometimes you can be too close to it. That's the other thing. You can be too afraid or too, like, you need to know when also to take the opinions of others who are able to see you in a way that's, like, unbiased. And, like, you also need to be able to be really honest with yourself, you know. Like, I know that there's a version of me that I think I am. Yeah. And then there's the reality. Of the way that the zeitgeist or the audience or culture interacts with me. Yeah. And, like, I'm a product of, like, every. artistic experience i've ever had but most people perceive me based on the entry point of how they met me so like if they heard closer for the first time and that's when they decided their opinion of me they're like she's this type of artist you know so it's like i notice that my shows a lot because you'll get so many different types of people in a room and there's like dudes in there that are like i love nine inch nails and this girl fucks like she rips like she made this rock album that's awesome and then there's some girls in there that were like we loved her in college and she makes pop music that we love and like it's all like everyone's a different perspective so i need to know like when i'm like okay i'm a i'm perceiving myself as like a product of all those things and i need to know when someone is going to their interaction or entry point to me is different than that and that's what's helpful about having someone like benny who we've talked about this for years what do you think the public perception of you is i think people think i'm really intense yeah like really like political and opinionated and like intense and i'm really a very chill person do you feel like that gets in your way like what if you just like didn't ever go online again and you just never went online i don't really because i don't really right now but i think that they've because of i was 19 yeah i thought everything was my responsibility you know i thought that my job was to fix comment on care about speak up for advocate for yeah which is a good spirit it was so well i wish i had that it was so well meaning it's a shame that um that the world beat you down to think where that was annoying yeah no sometimes you get it wrong a couple times though that's the problem yeah it's like you know it's like it's like the idea of like when you when you what is it when you speak for everything you stand for nothing yeah kind of thing you know where it's like i did get it wrong a couple times because i was really young and like you know it was growing up in front of the entire world and i was like i'm not going to do that i'm not going to do it in front of the entire world but also like i um yeah i was just young i was young i was just like even to this day there's like videos that go around and people are like oh my god like i'm like i was 20 in that video i'm 31 right now you know what i mean like everybody has to grow and change and you know also not for nothing like not to get really not to prove everybody's point about why i was annoying right now but like my life is so different than it was back then like socioeconomic background that i come from like the amount of just like panic anxiety the lack of financial security the lack of safety like that i had at that time that i was still i was still in fight or flight from my life before i'm just like i'm more chill now of course i was panicking all the time i was like you know i support my mom i support my dad i support my brother support my grandmother like if i fuck this up and this goes the wrong way everybody's lives different i gotta get this right and that was those were stakes that i had to take and i had to take and i had to take something most of my peers didn't have yeah i think everybody is really attached to like and also because those moments for me make the most noise yeah so like i could do literally nothing for a year and like lay low and then if i do one thing that becomes like hosie claps back at the then that becomes the thing for the next year for the year you know what i mean so it's like i think i'm really i'm pretty i'm a pretty chill person but people generally generally assumes that i take myself way more seriously than i do so that's where it becomes a problem for me because sometimes i'll make a joke or like i'll do something that's like meant to be like light-hearted or funny or and then the immediate assumption is that i'm being really serious or i'm taking it really seriously even if i'm not saying you are but what's the big deal if you take yourself seriously but if i'm not then it sucks because i don't necessarily want that being translated as like my main cause finals it's already that time it's that time it's that time it's an exciting time for a lot of sports fans oh my god so stressful well not when you know what's what and you're ready to predict the future are you guys really excited to start predicting look i don't wake up thinking i'm gonna call my shot i just have an intuitive nature to me where i kind of see what's gonna happen you know i have a real thing to say yeah it must be a little bit more exciting to kind of when you when you have real stakes involved yeah on your prediction well i'll tell you one thing yeah i wake up in the past and i predict you can predict the outcome of the pro basketball finals games all the way to the end of the championship with fan duel predicts sign up and grab your 25 bonus on fan duel predicts and ride this playoff journey with me this episode is sponsored by better help benny how has therapy made you a better person i think sometimes when you're deep in with your family and your friends it's hard to see always the other person's opinion and the other person's opinion like for me when i'm in therapy sometimes i get checked by my therapist and they're giving me an unbiased opinion of the situation and what's going on it truly gives you a toolbox of un of tools that you'll use with the rest of your life well said therapy has helped me and it can help you and the others in your life sign up and get 10 off at betterhelp.com fks that's better h-e-l-p.com fks there's a quote that i think you'll really love that i um saw the other day there is no way to make art or make material that challenges people and be liked by everyone yeah and the more time you spend trying to to appease others or to avoid confrontation or avoid conflict um it's like every single time you do that you pull a thread from your work in order to do so and it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like you're you're left with the with a piece that's completely unraveled by the end and you've given those threads away so you can never you can never put it back with the integrity of like you know where you started and i think especially in what you do like you have a whole other layer to the kind of art that you make because comedy is a factor and comedy is challenging and it's disruptive and it's provocative and it's controversial and that's the nature of it is supposed to make people feel that way um and i would not survive that at all i just simply wouldn't survive that like i feel like it's hard enough having to have a point of view about what i do and wanting it to be cool or sexy or emotional or meaningful or to perform well if i had to add the layer of comedy onto it and i had to worry about navigating that that's got to be really you have to i just can't imagine how i could argue that it makes it easier i could argue that yeah kind of like it's it allows for things to be softened and and like you can say something without like i i wrote a song the other day that was like uh from it was it was called i'm worried sure and it was about like worries and then it was also like every now and then i would sprinkle in like things about the state of the world that were true that were like that i would feel kind of lame being like but also you're worried that the barista your favorite coffee shop like fucking secretly dislikes you kind of worries yeah for sure but i just think i'm worried i'll never finish this basically like if i if i made a song that was really about me i would be like i'm worried i'm worried i'm worried i'm worried i'm worried i'm worried about like that was trying to like be political and be like i'm worried about everything that's going on in the world like i would have so much more trouble doing that version of song and the song where i get to like be like say that and then the next line is like i'm worried that i'm gonna want to fuck the robot like in 10 years when the world like and then i get to make that joke but i guess i don't even think you're worried that you want to fuck i'm worried that i want the robot to fuck me oh are you scared to be sincere like are you not sincere no it's like you want the robot to fuck you i'm not i think in music i have more fear of being serious than i than i do like on film you know what i mean like i'm not scared to be serious i'm not scared to be serious you have other mediums though did you just say you want the robot to fuck you because i'm also rapping it's like it's hard for me to take myself seriously yeah we're just going over that line you said where you wanted a robot look i just think we're at a place in the world where it's like will we get fucked by the robots or no are we gonna fuck the robots or are the robots gonna fuck us i know i feel the same way like i feel like i could sit here right now and i could be like you know like you could be like um like earlier like you'd be like were you having fun when you had like the number one song like no i've fucking hated my life i'm joking yeah yeah and then i would say ha ha and you can see me in person i'll be like no i fucking hated my life now it's cool and then the quote is like halsey hated her life that's the problem with internet culture like they can take like they can be like little dicky jokes about war and makes painting about the jokes of war but it's like yeah but that's that's i think that's the downfall of like human connection because so much of it is like not any of that like being around you it's like even when you said that thing over there i wasn't it wasn't so yeah it wasn't as dramatic as it would sound like it wasn't as dramatic as it would sound in print i'd be like oh wow but in real life i was like yeah she's relatable she didn't she experienced life and she didn't like that life i would so much rather people dislike me and you're being you because there's a a lawnmower outside i didn't know there was someone coming from texas chain something no i'd rather people dislike me for being myself than to miss out on like so many years of my life being who i am because i was worried that they weren't gonna like me because they're not going to to anyway social media and the internet is such a like a presence of like admire me look at me and it's like real life is really like let me connect with you and because everything it's translated to internet culture it like miss like we we lose the like sweetness of just being yourself and being able to say whatever you want like connecting and not judging people because in real life we perceive people we accept them as we are as they are and we or maybe we don't but we let's judge we receive people and we experience people we don't yeah judge or categorize people in real life yeah there's more room for nuance i think totally - I mean, look, even though I went to a party you threw and you didn't even live in the house, I feel like, obviously, I didn't, I feel like today, having spent this time with you, I can't even wrap my head around how anyone could ever perceive you as annoying. - I really can't believe it. I don't even believe it. - I used to be really annoying. - Oh. - I did. - I gotta take a shit. - All right, thank you so much for coming. We love you. We love you, Ashley. - Great work, guys. - Thank you. - Thank you for coming over. - Yeah, hug her first. - Pure talent. ♪ ♪ - Thank you, McDonald's, for sponsoring this episode. Thank you, White Claw, for sponsoring this episode.