The Halsey Episode

[MUSIC] Her views are policy. [MUSIC] >> She's more than you might think, she's the castle and her name is Ashley. [MUSIC] >> We love our friend, Hosey. [MUSIC] >> I'm tired today, not gonna lie. >> Why? >> I'll step up. >> Whenever, anyone talks about it. >> It is, it is. >> Oh boy, is that real? >> Real, real. >> That's not real. >> Do you want, I swear. >> You want some caffeine from my strawberry water melon refresher? >> No, you got anything non-caffeinated? >> Well, you're in luck. This is a spriteberry blast. >> Well, why don't you hand it over to your boy? Because you know what? >> But I do think you should. >> I think everything's gonna work out great after we drink these. >> I'm just gonna put all these to the side. >> You're gonna do what? >> I'm just gonna put it on the side. >> You can offer her one or something, but I'm not gonna force anything. >> I want to offer her the spriteberry blast. >> These are big, these are big peps. >> Okay, let's put it down. >> I know you like a tidy kitchen when people come open. >> I just like my-- >> I do. >> Yeah, I know, Chad. >> You prepare that way too, I've seen you. >> I know, I do that's why I'm not getting upset. >> I'll do it. >> I'll do it. >> You prepare the house. >> She's here. >> We're not opening. >> I do a cartwheel. >> Hey. >> Hey. >> Hi. >> Hi. >> She invented the style of saying that it was so characteristic that it became like a meme. >> And then I got my father for it. >> She entered very young on this like mega pop star trajectory. >> And then it was like, she could draw you perfectly. >> Man, this is a brand new skate for me and it might be my sunset. >> This is the best. >> I like your guys. >> People said this to me all the time. I said, should I call you Dick here Dave and I always-- >> So should we call you Dick? >> Holly or Ashley? >> Ash? >> Ash. >> How's it you call me? >> I call you Ash. >> I like Ash. >> I prefer it. >> Really? >> Yeah. >> Ash. >> Yeah. >> Does Ashley make you feel like you're in trouble? >> Yes. >> Yeah. >> That's exactly right. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> I was feeling like my mom was being like, "Ashley Nicole, get downstairs." >> Do you have sisters? >> No, two little brothers. >> Oh, yeah, I'm the oldest. >> Ash, I was going to offer you a drink, but you're holding this. >> I was on a tea. >> We can still offer. >> We won't. We got drinks from the McAfee, from McDonald's. >> Yeah, I'm okay. If I drink more than this, then I'm going to spend the whole time. >> You can spend as long as you want. >> Oh, you hear me a lot. >> Yeah. Oh, yeah. >> A big time peer. >> Yeah. >> How long have you known Ash? >> What? >> 11 years. >> They're like, "I met you through Benny back in the day." >> Yeah, it was the Friends Keep Secrets Party. >> What? >> And Benny, it was after the I Heart Radio Awards, and the place you guys were going to do it fell through. >> I did. >> And I was at Benny's first session, and he was like, "We're going to his party." He was on the phone, he was like, "Venue filter." But I was like, "Oh, that's crazy." I just got the keys today. >> Oh, my God. >> To like my new house in Bitcher Canyon. I was like, "I have to say huge house." >> I remember this now. I remember it. >> It was your house. >> Oh, my God, we threw that massive party. >> There's no furniture, like nothing. >> It was unbelievable. It got broken up by the police came. >> Also, I was really stressed out because I got like, I'm about to dox everybody right now. >> Yeah, do it. >> Very there. Charlie was there. >> Yeah. >> West was DJing, like Charlie, XCX was there. >> Yeah. >> And Fifth Harmony, Charmin, as well. Everyone's from the award show. >> Well, he-- >> I wasn't at the award show, I still was there. >> You were there. >> I only remember two things about that night, and I can tell you the two things I remember. >> I remember a lot of things. >> I remember number one. >> Oh, I know what you're going to say. >> No, you don't. >> I think I do. >> Say it. >> Bathroom. Nevermind. >> That wasn't a different party. >> I know what you're talking about. I'll say that one right after. First thing, we're sitting by the DJ booth, and like, it's like the party's like rocking. And it was the first time I ever saw someone famous acknowledge your music publicly. >> Me? >> In person with me. And it was Sean Mendez. >> I was really stressed out because the police come, and they're like, and I'm drunk. >> Yeah. >> And they're like, we want to talk to the owner of the house, so I'm like, well, I guess that's me. Because I just bought a house. >> Yeah. >> It's like right side of the talk to the police, and they're like, we gotta shut this down. I'm like, no, you don't. >> Yeah. >> And they're like, yeah, we do. And I was like, why? I was like, they were like, because you're breaking the law. I was like, what law am I breaking? And they were like, you're breaking the law. I was like, no, we're not. I don't know what happened to me. I switched on. >> Yeah. >> I was like, we're operating within the legal sound decibel limit. I was like, we're not exceeding fire code. There's no cars parked on the street. I was like, and I haven't exceeded the amount of people who are driving around like this. >> Wow. >> And they were like, well, and I was like, what law am I breaking? And they were like, the law of common sense. >> Wow. >> And I was like, that's not a real law. See you later, officers. >> Yeah. >> I started walking away. Miley Cyrus was running out the door. She had like a bag of postmates and ran. She's like, gotta go girl. Gotta go. >> She's going away. >> Okay. You were talking, I think you were talking about this one. One time we were at a party. >> Mm-hm. >> And I really had to shit. >> Mm-hm. >> And I said, Dave, will you come, like, keep me company. Like, I don't want to like walk. >> Yeah. >> And it was like some like huge bathroom. And we were, I think we were in like the primary room or something. >> Yeah. >> And the good room. >> We're taking shit. And it's taking like a long time. >> That would be not we, Danny. >> I am, I am. >> What are you doing? >> The royal we. >> I'm just hanging out. >> I'm taking a shit. And Dave goes, there's someone in here. And I said. >> Yeah. >> And I said, what? >> Yeah. >> And he said, I think there's someone in here. And I said. >> Because we were in the bathroom of a bedroom. >> Of a bedroom. >> Of like the big bedroom. And I was like, really? And we like, look out. And we basically, we basically decide to walk out. And as we're walking out, we cross paths with you. And a person you were dating at the time. And it was. >> I don't remember this at all. >> It was. >> It wasn't like you weren't hugging. >> No, it was not even dramatic. >> You were going into the bedroom as we were leaving. >> Yeah. >> It was just, it happened to be a person you were dating. >> I think I do remember this. >> Was it that party that was at Michael Jackson's old house? >> I don't know. >> They all blend together at the party. >> You guys have fun. >> This is a different life. >> All on. >> You guys have a different life. >> All on. >> Me and Dave just blew up a, I blew up a bathroom. We're walking out. I think someone's in there. >> You guys know each other at the time? >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> I wish I was around for those parties. I really would have enjoyed that. >> Selena will always be like, she'll be like, don't you miss like the party life? And I'm like, no. And then she's like, why? And I was like, the point, she's like, don't you want to throw more parties? And I said, no. I said, the point of the party is to find you. >> To meet the love of my life. >> Yeah. >> I said, the party's over. Like, I'm not in the party. >> That's not the only reason you guys were having them. Was it like, you guys were doing it for fun? And everyone, right? >> I felt my entire happiness was totally predicated around like the romantic opportunity of like the night. >> That's so not why I was doing it. >> I used to throw a lot of parties because I was looking for love. >> You were just trying to party. >> No, this was like, this will make people like me. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Wait, different time. >> That's different though. >> I did only make it because of the party. >> It's true. >> But are you a social person in real life? >> Or were you doing this thing? >> No, not really. >> I was like, fucking Gatsby. I used to throw parties and then I go hide. >> Yeah. >> And then I'd go out and people come up to me like on the street and they'd be like, "It's an amazing time at your house. You throw the best parties." And I'd be like, hell yeah, I don't remember any of that. I don't know who that person was. Like basically just go like, I would throw a party. I'd hang out in my bedroom most of the time. And then everyone would leave. And I would be like, I did it. I'd socialized. >> Wow. >> And everybody is going to like me. >> My god, really? >> I thought you were not. >> Were you sad when you were like really big? >> Yeah, really? >> Really? >> Really? >> Oh my god, yeah. >> What do you think was the driving force of misery? >> I was happy about that. >> It's a great question. >> I think, okay, the fun answer is like it just sucks like in the serious answer. >> I know what you're saying. >> Yeah, yeah, yeah. >> I think the serious answer is like, I just kept going. I didn't stop for a while to think about what I like and want and what brings me joy in my life. >> Yeah. >> You know, I was so young when I put out my first record that I think that for so much of my career, I felt like I worked for someone. >> Yeah. >> Does that make sense? >> Yeah, yeah. >> I felt like an employee. >> Yeah. >> Eventually it occurred to me. I was like, I'm in control of this whole thing. I felt like a kid or I felt like all the grown-ups in the room were going to be disappointed in me if I said no, or if I didn't want to do something or I couldn't do something. And then eventually I was like, that's not how this works at all. >> Yeah. >> You call the shots. >> Yeah, for sure. >> But you like making music. >> Like you like singing. >> Love it. >> Yeah, yeah. >> We want to do it on your own terms. >> Definitely. >> The only time I remembered you were the only time, because I didn't know you were sad during that. The only time I remembered. >> Yes, you did. I wrote so many songs. >> No, I know. >> I know, but it's so about that. >> No, no, no, no. >> No, no, no. >> I can be like, I'm so miserable. >> No, no, no. >> No, no, no. >> You were angry. >> I knew you were like, I knew you were like, I knew you were like, I knew you were like. >> I wasn't sick, I didn't know yet. >> Yeah. >> You know, I felt like, oh, yeah. >> Go revenge all the time. >> Oh. >> And didn't understand why, you know. >> Yeah. >> So like, that was a big part of it, too, I think. >> Yeah. >> Yeah, I felt like shit a long time. >> Wait, how long did you feel like shit without knowing you were sick for? >> Oh, like eight years. >> Oh, wow. >> My first blood test. just in my chart, like when I got diagnosed with lupus, they were like, we could have called, like if someone was paying attention, we could have figured this out like eight years ago. - Yeah, I had to take them so long. - 'Cause I just, - Did you not go to that? - Never complained, never went to the top, no. - Oh, that's just, I also like, you know, I grew up like. - Were you from? - Jersey. - Oh, Philly. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Were you from Michigan? - Were you from? - You're red, Chris. - Why do you do that whenever you think about, do you not love where you're from? - Oh no, he's asking where in Jersey and from it's hard to say, I moved a lot. - Oh, so you have any friends? - Do I have any friends, you know? I mean, no, not really. - Yeah. - Really? - I always say like the way my parents raised me accidentally made me like really well equipped for your career. - My career, yeah. I'm like used to move away, like I don't have like, I'm not attached to like one place, you know? - Did you experience like a high school in one sitting? - Yeah, I did, yeah. - How was your high school experience? - What do you guys think it was like? - Can we sit on the couch? - No, I wasn't cool. - I know, I know you don't love. - No, she's nerdy, she's like unbelievably intelligent. - That doesn't matter. - I wasn't hot, but I was still smart and cool. - You said you weren't cool. - Cool guy, just, wait, you got to think of like Tumblr, right? - Yeah. - I never had a Tumblr experience, really? - I do remember when I was younger, they had like the best like pictures. It was really cool. - It was really like while curated, like it's for like art. - Yeah. - Is it, you know, I also never had experience with Myspace, is, are they similar in just? - No, it's very different. Myspace is like, Gerber, baby food. This is like, Tumblr's like, Tumblr's like, your mother making you perfect, like organic food. Like, it's so curing. - Actually, I haven't thought about Tumblr in a long time, but I do still have one. - I thought that, I thought that thing. - No, I still have one. - Do you still, are you still active on it now? - Yeah, but I guess I have like a very small-- - But he used to be like-- - Following there, it's like where I go to post stuff that I don't want everybody else to make a big deal out of. - Yeah. - You know, like I could post like a really sad poem on there, or like a life update, and it never makes its way to like, it's regular press. - It's like that. - It's like that beauty. - Yeah, if I do, yes, it is. But if I, if I posted the same thing on like Instagram or something like that, the next day, yeah, and I say, I'll be like, all the post troubling-- - Yeah. (laughing) - All right. - Do you think I feel this way, and maybe I'm wrong, 'cause I'm like, I'm not, I'm basing this off of nothing, but I feel like each little like internet thing has a different personality. There's like, people, the way they speak on Instagram, the way they speak on YouTube, the way they speak on Reddit. - Of course, certain things on TikTok that I would never post on my Instagram ever. - Yeah. - I think that also, one thing that I, like how to hard time with was, Tumblr took itself so seriously, but also like you could really joke around, and it didn't matter. - Yeah. - It was also faceless, like you know what I mean? Like you could post like poetry, photos, art. Like it was more about what you were making, and what you were into, and it was about like, what you looked like, or what you knew, so that was really important. And if you did have like an aesthetic of the way you, the way you looked, that was helpful. - Yeah. - 'Cause like you know, I did, obviously, I had like the hair colors and like that. - Oh, yeah, the hair, the hair, I totally just forgot. - It's like a place to care it. - Her hair was like the whole thing. What do you mean, what do you mean? - Did you think hair at one time? - I had every hair. - Yeah. - Every hair, every hair. - She had two extremely famous hairs. - Yeah, the blue is. - Yeah. - The blue was like-- - How long did you have blue hair for? - Oh, just long enough. - Have you? - You're gonna say it? - No, no, but you're gonna say it. - I was gonna say, have you, have you like, do you ever bring it back for fun? Didn't you just do it? - I just did it. - You just did it. - And I remember when you brought it back. It was like, do you ever bring it back outside of that or now? - No, I mean, it was the 10 year anniversary of Badlands. And I did like an anniversary tour, so I brought the blue hair back for that. - You probably died. - My debut album, yeah. I don't remember every couple of weeks. - Really? - Yeah. I got tough hair. - You must. - My hair got tough hair. - You like going on a tour? - Love it. - I love it. - Is that your happy place on the stage? - Yeah, I love performing. It's the only reason I still make music. - It's your favorite part of the whole thing is performing. - Yeah, I like making the records too. I like it a lot better now. - Yeah. - Like, it used to be really stressful. Labels were like really involved. - Did that change though? Or was it just, like, labels changed? - Yeah, no, I think, I don't know. I think, I just, I got less famous. So people stopped caring as much. - What do you mean? - You know what I mean? Like, when I were making pop records and like, it was like all lots of pressure. And it was like, it was kind of nice that everyone was like, just like, let me do my thing. - You think you're less famous now than before? - Yeah. - But what is that? How do you measure that nowadays? Is it just like, you feel like it's, you just can sense it? - Yeah. - I'm truly asking. - I want to say, I'm not sure that you're less famous. - I don't think I can hear you. - No, yeah. - Oh, I guess, like, I think it'll swing. It's all cyclical. - Totally. - You know, I'm just really enjoying this time right now. - You had a, what's the call? - You know, you're saying, like, when you go outside, like, nobody knows who you are? - No, that's not what I was saying. - Oh, okay. - I'm like, she's saying she's like, answered very young one. There's like, mega pop star for Genre. - Oh, yeah, sure, yeah. - It was really great. - You're being pulled in every direction now. You feel like you're like, I can breathe. - Yeah, yeah. - And to you, that's like, I must, also, my life just looks different. - I know, I'm not just, I'm not doing that. - She was living every stepping, like, bigger, bigger. How can I, like, just like-- - Yeah, I was like, every award show. You're doing a performance. You're flying at this. You're doing, you know, so-- - I remember it was like this. It was like, she's like, put out, and it was like this. And people were like, oh, this is like, this is like a thing. And then we just went like, literally, it went like from here. It was like, angling up. You're like, oh, this could be good. And then it was like, and like, hit smooth the thing. - But when you said that you realized you were unhappy, when you first realized that you're like, high, or-- - Oh my God, ecstatic. - Which one was your first number one? - Closer. - Yeah, yeah. - My first solo number one was without me. - Are you excited to make a new album? - Yeah. - I'm not-- - I'm not, no, God, no. - Hip-hop album? - One day. - No, definitely not. - Do you push it off? Like, do you get anxiety about where you start? - I always want to be doing it now. But I actually like, I feel like the way it happens for me is I always kind of like, I was like, find a, I don't say like a vibe, but there's always a story here, like a, you know, something like that. - Like a theme? - Yeah, and I stumble upon that. And then it's like, when that feels right, I'm like, okay, go off and-- - So what do you do with that? Like, what did you do last week? - Last week. I went to Vancouver with Abyn, went to go visit his parents, brought under. Then I flew home, I did treatment. - Oh my God. - Which was-- - What's treatment? - Oh, treatment. - Yeah, yeah, I did, I did chemo. - Which I do twice a year now. - Are you still doing-- - Yeah, okay. - Twice a year for-- - That's tough. - The foreseeable future. I guess way better though than it used to be like, once a month, so-- - It was so scary. - Yeah, it's like, I'm used to it now. - What does it make you feel like? - Horrible, like for like a couple days. - It's like just nauseous. - You feel like, okay, the vex when it to people is like, you're being poisoned, 'cause like, you are. So like, it might be like the worst, the gnarliest hangover you've ever had in your life. You also did like a ton of drugs, you didn't drink any water. - It's like if my best friend got breast cancer, like when she was 25, and so she did the, she did all the, it's like, it's like your entire body is being poisoned. - Yeah, yeah. - So you got, you got breast cancer? - No, no, I don't have breast cancer. I had a blood cancer. - Oh, I have a blood cancer. - Yeah, okay. - I have, it's chronic, so I'm gonna have it. - Is that why you have to keep getting chemo? - Yeah, okay. - But I also do it to treat my lupus. - Oh, it helps with that? - Yeah. - Is it, can you get, I might be wrong with this, but it's very hard to have lupus if you're white, correct? - Yeah. - It's like mostly-- - It's predominantly like people of color. - Yeah. - African-American women. - And Latin women. - And Latin women. - Yeah, that's what I thought. - And I'm half black, so that's, yeah. So I was another thing too is like, a lot of my doctors were like, that sucks, you look so white. - 'Cause we probably would have found these lots sooner when you go and out of like, I told you guys, they were like, yeah, we didn't really take it seriously. - We didn't really take it seriously. - We thought we were gonna say the genes for the same brother. - McDonald's has a subdivision. I don't know if they call it a subdivision, but it's called-- - Let me translate. - And what this subdivision that McDonald's does is it pumps up averages that are so high-end, starting with the strawberry watermelon refresher. - Well, I can't even speak, because you're so excited about the watermelon refresher. - Because it's got a lot of watermelon refresher, and then it's feeling really good. And when you have a little bit of caffeine, and you need to be good. - And I'm like-- - You gotta look at this like a reset. Almost like a reward. Those little strawberries bouncing around. I mean, it's a way to get through the day for me. - Honestly, you don't have to use this type of language. - I love it. It is way better than that. - Yeah, honestly, it's a reason to hang with friends. - Why are you trying? - For all the new McCaffay drinks, now I'm at McDonald's. Guys, we gotta figure out our outdoor patio areas furniture-wise, and I think Wayfair would be a valuable player in that. - There are a lot of options. I think I sent you a few of you could just go through. - Go on through. - Check, you mine through. - Yeah, you did. - You mine buying me something I really could use a nice cooler to put all of our-- - I'm never gonna buy you anything. - Why? - You have more money than me. Get preps for caddy up season for Wayfair.com right now to shop all things home. - That's w-a-y-f-a-i-r.com. - Wayfair, every style, every home. - You know, when you say that you stumble upon a theme. - Yeah. - Do you mean like a story vibe of like kind of, or do you mean like a sonic vibe that's like-- - Oh, either. - Okay. - One or the other and then eventually both. - And is it like based on what you're going through in life at the time? - Could be. - Yeah. - Way less dramatic than it was. - Do you find that like as an artist, it's like harder to pull from the more mundane parts of your life, or do you think it's just not even thinking about it? - I don't know. I think it's interesting because I think that, I think as a society we've gotten so, used to receiving really mundane information. Everyone loves influencers and podcasts and YouTubers, where everyone's just kind of being like, "Oh, my day today, blah, blah, blah." Like this show? This is hard-hitting journalism. - This isn't a parallelism, it's right, okay. - I am a product of my experiences, and I'm so responsible. If I didn't have my notes, so many jokes in my show wouldn't exist, because when something funny happens, I really do, oh my god, I have to write that down. It's so specific. I don't like go out to gain material. I really try to live life and then whatever happens. - Yeah. - I'm just getting some from the fridge. - But you're like an artist and so many, don't you do like do so many different types of art, aren't you like a, can't you draw really well? - Yeah, I paint, yeah, I'm definitely like a physical artist. But I like that I have that for myself though. She's the best drawer I've ever seen. She could right now draw you perfectly in seconds. - You put me on the spot. I used to do Benny Dutles when we were in Australia all the time. - She's drawn overalls for me that are like my prized possessions. - I love those overalls. - So I, when I, like, I really-- - You can draw, can't you? - No, listen, so I-- - It's when you give big, I can draw energy. - I'm the worst drawer to the point, yeah. Like where I had to like, I had to take an art course in college so I was like, and I was getting great grades and all the other things and I was so bad at drawing that I was like, you couldn't grade me well. Like I was gonna fail the classes, the drawings were so bad and I couldn't really show improvement. So drawing is actually my biggest weakness now. I have, just for relaxation purposes, started to like paint in kind of an abstract way. - That's great. - Right, have no idea what I'm doing. I don't, because with my art sometimes I really, I mean, all the time I'm like so analyzing everything which is kind of the antithesis of art of like free flowing, but with painting I'm so bad that I really don't hold myself accountable and I'm like, just free flow. - When we did the, you, you, it was appraised. - It was appraised. - I'm in the person who-- - Oh, it is. - My art was appraised. - Oh my, but he's bad, I said it was because he's famous. - No, that one was great. You had one painting. - You're talking about American Farsi? - Yes. - You have one painting that's a stroke of genius, everything else is terrible. - I have three or four that are strokes of genius. - No, you have one. - I can stroke genius every now and then. - Okay, go stroke genius right now. - I believe it. I believe that-- - Do you have supplies? - You can stroke genius. - Can I attempt to strike genius as a painter and you doodle maybe Benny or Chris, or we could all doodle and paint? I don't know why I do that. - Yeah, we should all doodle. - I'm terrible. I need a lot of time and quiet time and to focus. - Go get the stuff. - Wait, you're good at drawing that, right? - Okay, we'll go set it off. - Oh yeah. - Are you sure? - No, but it's like the one thing I objectively can't be like-- - She's incredible. She's alive, painted on like SNL or something. - Oh, really? - Yeah. - Do you do it for fun? Oh wait, you said, yeah, truly number one. Before I even knew who Benny was, one of my favorite songs of, right? I think I was-- - She thought I was Collie. - She thought Benny was Collie. - That's why I didn't know it was funny. - I didn't know it. - I was just a Benny. - We're all little Collie. - I'm gonna have the production team bring out and set up the paint. So that's too much for one minute. - Oh yeah, okay. - You're gonna actually paint. - But before we paint, - Just pull that from around the table. - Yeah, we should have a white claw. I pulled it from the seat. - The reason that we should have this white claw first is because we're living in the moment. And I know that's something that white claw values and they value camaraderie and friendship. And I think us doing art as a team, even though I will probably stand out as an individual, is something that is something to be cheers. - Hey, since we're in the moment, you might grab and me and Kristen a few white claws. - How about you share this one? Okay, and I'll make sure we get all set up with the art supplies. - Okay. - 'Cause I'm a really great artist. - Oh my god, you look fucking cute. - You got a lot of shit. - I think I'm gonna blow you out of the water. - You don't understand my styles as a painter. - Oh my god, what are you up for? - You guys. - Draw me and Dave. - Okay. - Well we're the same person, so just draw me. - Tuck, you're where she's gonna make something better than that's under five minutes. - Nothing's gonna be better than what I'm gonna do. - It's unbelievable. - Yeah, I was gonna see you guys like being married. - Oh my god. - Yeah, it helped. - Oh, you guys go first. - I love it, but it feels no different than it was before. - It feels no different to me, yeah. - Yeah. - But I do like that. It feels like you have family for life. - Oh, I've been engaged for two years. - Oh you have? - Yes. - Are you gonna get married? - Yes, we're gonna, we're just really fucking busy. You know? - I also want to spend-- - It's been he's wedding and we were like, Jesus Christ. Like is this sort of wedding he's supposed to be like? We're doing everything wrong. - Oh my god. - I forgot, do I have water them in the source of dunk the brush in? - It depends are using acrylics. - I don't know. - What does it say in the bottle? - Crilic paint. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well then you can, if you want the paint to be thinner and you have more watery, then you can-- - But I need a big brush. - I need a big brush. - I think there's more brush in there. - Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, so I just gotta, you know-- - You should do it for-- - Are you drawing me that one in the corner, Chris? Chris, is that me? - I'm where, here? - Is that a Christmas tree? - I was just getting warmed up. - Okay. - I'm trying to get my hand-- - Look at mine, look at the-- - I'm gonna take my second to get situated, guys. - Can you do it so light? - I like this light. - Wait till you see one of my, I might wow you. - I'm gonna draw Benny. - I can't even tell you what I'm gonna draw 'cause my spirit's gonna take over. - Don't they say drawing a hand is the hardest thing or fingers, right? - I don't know. - Hard of hard. - You might explain to you how I operate when I paint. - Yes. - I have no idea what I'm doing. I can't, if you said like draw a person, I can't do that impressively. All I can do is randomly do stuff and sometimes in my randomness, I will all of a sudden see a person. And then once I see what the thing is that I'm painting without realizing what it is to begin with, once I see it, it's about how fast can I get out? - You're already ahead of the curve. - The longer I stay in, the more I can fuck it up. So once I-- - I did a lot of realism, like-- - Oh yeah, I can. - When I started painting, I started painting again after my son was born and I got like an art studio and I would go there when he was like a sleep at night and I would go on I'd paint. And I had a really hard time because so much of what I learned about art was about technique and it was about proving how good you can be instead of proving like how emotionally meaningful of a piece you can make. So I had to really, it was really hard for me to unlearn like nobody cares how well I can draw something in front of me and make it look like a picture. - What? - Someone a little care. - Yes I care. - I care about that a lot. - I just had to do a lot of unlearning in that regard because I was like-- - Okay. - It was a very straight-ass student vibes. I wasn't like a cool artist who was like, look what I have to say. I was like, look how good I can do it. - When did you know you could draw? - Oh, when I was really little. - Was that like your number one thing for a long time until music or were you doing both at the same time? - Yeah, no, I thought I was gonna be an art major, yeah. - Oh, wow. Wonder you're on Tumblr. It's like, yeah, I was like, you know what? We'll be the best career is being a painter. That will make me a lot of money. And then when I realized that that wasn't a real career option for me, it is for some people. I was like, I should do something that's more financially responsible. Like try to be a pop star. - Well, I can't believe you just decided. - I think I just created a really good color. And I'm gonna. - I'm gonna get performance anxiety where I've already taken, I've already gotten like four new pieces of paper. My hand is cramping up. - You can't mess up. There's no mess up. - I can't even draw a circle. - I'm not even messing up. I'm just drawing. - So I can just do abstract then? Or other things? - No, it's impossible to mess up. It's art. - Yeah. - I might have just made an error. - There's no such thing as errors. - Yeah, but I try to infuse the green and I might have just ruined everything. - No, don't worry, Jack, it's gonna be good. - I think I got to inject some pink. - Well, I got a good base here though. I gotta tell you, wow, I've never been in this hue before. This is a brand new scape. - Are you just covering the new style? - Man, this is a brand new scape for me and it might be my sunset piece. - He's been discovering the new style for a long time. - This honestly might be my story for the last 11 years. - Drawing people is so uncomfortable 'cause you're like staring at them and they're like, stop. - I feel like I'm looking at me. - I feel like I've been drawing the same thing my whole life. Like I draw like ears the same way. - Yeah. - Do you know what I just realized? - What? - This thing is upside down. - That's okay. Oh, you're, oh I see what you mean. You fit, you found that it was upside down. - Wait a minute, no, that's not true. - Is it perhaps maybe horizontal? - No, it's just, I'm still figuring it out. I'm still in the figure out process. I don't know. - How do you feel about a day if are you excited to show it? - No, I haven't even started. I'm serious. But you better get started soon. - All I've been doing is laying a base. - It's called activating the canvas. - Is that what it's called? - Do you know what finland? There's a bread you can buy and it's called juicy pussy. And that's the real bread, it's just a normal bread company. - Fuck are you talking about? - There's a normal bread company. - Is it just spelled something similar and you're just a childish and you. - Just childish? Here you, you tell me what you think. - I'm combining. - How would you pronounce this, Jack? - I don't know. - But it's. - Kristen. - Just up a see. - Just up a see. - How would you pronounce it? - Just up a see. Just a see. - That's how I pronounce it. - Just a see. - Yeah, just a see. - You don't know that it's not just a see. - It's literally juicy pussy. - Just a see pussy. - I don't know. - You don't know what I'm saying. - It's just a see. - It's just beevison by hand. - When you were the baby. - Vegas, did you feel the worst, do you think? - Mmm. - Like was there ever a time where you're like, holy shit, this is sick. - Yeah, no, I had times like that. Like you mean like where you were able to be like, I'm, this is what a cool experience. - Yeah, where I'd be like, this is dope. And like a younger me would have flipped the hell out. - Yeah. - You know, to see my life be this way. The coolest was probably, I made an album with Trent Rezner. - Oh yeah. - And I have like a, we were filming like the process. And we were filming when I had my like initial zoom call with him where we were talking about if we were gonna do the record or not. And he was very complimentary of me as like a songwriter. And that was kind of like a moment for me where I was like, cool. - Yeah, that's cool. - Yeah, nobody can ever make me feel like shit about myself and again from all y'all opinions. - It's so true. - I wasn't or just said I was a good songwriter and we're gonna make an album together, get booked. - Did you read comments? - Me? - Yeah. - Hey, I used to. I do sometimes still. Because if you were to remove yourself from the internet and just look at all of your success, wouldn't you be like, man, I'm like a, yeah, I would definitely be like, I'm so dope. But it's just because you probably, yeah, get the internet will, they have power. - Yeah. - You give it to them. - I think anything, isn't like. - I think we're also from a generation where like, since we grew up on like the cusp of social media, like we didn't grow up with it all the time, like some of these younger kids have, but we grew up where like it mattered what the kids from our like high school or college or whatever we're saying on there, where we have like a really weird relationship with it. You know, where we can ignore it the way that they do. - Yeah. - I mean, imagine being a kid today, like a true kid. - No. - No, yeah, I actually don't understand how they do that. - Imagine us, like, YouTube came out when I was, - In hot. - I was a senior in high school. - Oh, really? - 2006. - Oh, yeah. - Jack, how's your thing going? - The imagery is dark and it's about, it's about, I think it's about war. - It's about war? - Well, that's relevant. - I wish it wasn't so. - But maybe you're feeling internal stress about what's going on. - Maybe you'll become one of the most important, like political artists of our time. - I hope not 'cause I don't know enough about that. - Or maybe like, when we're all dead, people will like discover the art that you made, and it'll end up in your, like, biography that you were really important. - I'm scared to make any of this. - You have a oncologist about the time. - I'm a political commentary. I like the sound. I wonder if anybody else does. - How can you switch paintings? - Me? - Yeah. - Well, I didn't love what I did in my last work, but. - I liked your last one. - Ben, you've so much hair. - Are you getting good close to mine? - I think so. - You think Dave's getting close to his masterpiece? - He's probably edging. - Are you edging, Jack? - It's a war zone. - Looks like a blood death. - Is that a lot of red? - No, it's not what you expect, but it's definitely about war. - America and war in the state of our world, yeah. It's dark, but it's light at the same time. There's some hope. - There's optimism within it. - Kind of, but it's a tragedy of a piece. - What do you wanna call it? - I think it's called American War. - Is it a companion piece to American farce? - It might be. It actually might be. - Are you disappointed? - No, it's just, it's a lot to take in. It's jarring. It's like I didn't think that this is what it would be at all. - You seem like you like it though. - I mean, like, you can't help it, both be shocked by it and all of it, I think. I don't like that I like it. And I think that's big. - Do you think you're gonna like mine? - I think I will like yours. I think I'll like everyone's. - Do you guys think you'll like mine? I don't think you'll like mine, but I think you'll see that there is talent deep, deep within. - I see yours. I like yours. Is that a cockroach? - My guy kinda looks like Tupac. - Who are you drawing? - I was just like drawing. - Whatever came to your house. - I was drawing Chris. - I started saying it looks like Tupac. I was like, who the fuck here? - I'm drawing Chris. - I can't believe Dave said mine looks like a cockroach. - Chuck, don't make a decision like that. - The part of art is having the control to believe in yourself. And knowing we just stop. - Don't do it. - Knowing we just stop and trusting that you're done. And trusting that it's time to put it out. - Now it's done. - You guys, I've been using Canva. You know Canva? - Oh yeah. - I've been taking pictures of places in our house and I ask it to, I prompt it and I say, can you redesign the space for me? - I have a lot to show the two of you. - Oh really, like what part of the home? - Well, our bedroom. - Bro. - And the upstairs studio. - Oh. - And the downstairs. I think we could do something different with like the shelves. - So you, so Canva is telling you options, I guess. - It's helping us. - It's on your prices. - Not yet. - Canva makes design easy for anyone. With building AI that lets you remove, generate and animate content and just a click. Start designing today at Canva.com. - White claw. - Remember that one time when we hung out and then we never stopped hanging out for 15 years in a row. We really grabbed life by the claw. - Would I have that group chat? - No, but you're in it now. You're our new, say yes. - Say yes to begin for the rest of our lives. - Well, say yes. Yes. - Okay. - You know, I will tell you, there's nothing better than spontaneous hangs with white claw. I got a little, I'm having some issues. I can't. - Please drink responsibly. - Should we start with flavor's white claws? White claw's shelter works. - Okay. - Should we call it a little more? - Okay, you ready? Ready? Ready? - Yes. Hard shelter with flavors. - Chicago Illinois. - Say yes. - Okay. Where are you at? - Are we done? I can be done. - No, keep going. This is fun. - I can't wait to see the-- - Who's going first? - Not me. - I'll go first, I'll go first. - Okay. - Kristen, Joe, all four of-- - 'Cause Dave already said it looked like a couple. - How far have you paying ten years? - Pretend that I-- Here's what I want you to pretend before I show it. Pretend that I had made money off of making art and pretend that people love my art. - Okay. I understand. - And like this is like she's done another one. - Yep. - Okay, ready? - Yep. - Oh wow. - The roach. - I really like the-- - It's a penny. - The point of view. - Is it a penguin? - You know what's crazy about it is I've drawn the same thing since I've been five. - That, you've drawn that. It's your trees and the face that looks like this. - That's crazy. - Is it good? - You've drawn that multiple times. - That one disturbs me. - Yeah, I think I might have sent you to your therapist if you were my kid and you drew that. - That's great. Oh, okay. - That's more to start with. - That's worse. - It's a heart. - I don't like that one. - It's kind of like-- - That's a crazed chimp. - It's a dolly. - It's a dolly. - Yeah. - No, that's my least favorite. - All right. I want you to show yours hot shot. - Oh, I wouldn't say mine was great. - I want to see what you got. - Big boy. - Let's see what you got, sick guy. Hey, Chuck, pretty painting, huh? Friends isn't. - Taki? - Tricky. - Who is that supposed to be? - I don't know if it was just a man. - I'm surprised. - That's a lot. - That is a lot better than I thought you'd be able to do. - I see. - That is good. - Yeah. - I'm surprised you'd be able to do something that good. - I'm almost upset. - Why? - Can I see it again? - I thought that it would be bad. - I like that a lot. - That's incredible. I'm shocked that you can do that. - I like the details in the item. - I hate you ruined the dialogue. Like if you did the perfect thing there, I would have, you know. - Okay, asses of your turn. I don't know if Dave's turned first. I think once you see mine, you're not going to want to do much of anything else. - That's mine, let's do it. - I can go next if you want to go last. - Not just depressing, it's about. - We'll keep working. - I know yours is going to be incredible. I can tell. - Oh my god. (laughing) - It's Benny. - I'm fast. - That's it. - I did not think that's what I was going to do. - I mean, that's cool. - I like it. It's beautiful. - Can you draw anything? - Probably look at that. It looks like a fucking. - Well you draw a fast. - We draw a fast doodle of Kristen, just a fast doodle. - But are you going to be a good sport about it? - Yes, you'll be a good sport. - Just like a fast doodle one. - Wait, can I look at this? This is the best thing I've ever seen in my life. I mean, this is, does the world know that you can do this? - Yes. - They don't care. - She did it literally on SNL while singing. - Nobody cares. - You know, I'm gonna have to, don't look at this. I have to set it up and then you'll be okay. - Okay, no one else. I'm gonna look with nobody else. - Don't, don't, don't, don't, don't. - We're not looking. - It's just-- - Just look towards me. - Dave. - No, no, no, no, no, don't look, don't look. - Okay. - Don't look at this. - Okay, hold on. Hold on, we have to wait. - Yeah, you guys can look. - Wow. - It doesn't feel depressing at all. - No, that's the saddest part of it. - I like how the splatter matches the A. - The texture is great. - USA. - The blood is a different color because what is it? - Just happenstance. - Okay. For sure. - I actually really like those. - I do too. - I think that looks so good over there. - You can take it over there. - I don't even know what it is. - Only if we can have this. - Can I have this? - Yeah. - That's me. - We'll put it on the wall. I just think if I'm gonna draw, you have to stand still, Chris. - Okay. - Okay. - One, two, three, four, seven. - One, two, three. [BLANK_AUDIO] Doug, you want me to cut around the dude, the stuff, right? Uh, whoa. You don't check. What are you doing? Just leave it. I like it. Just how it is. I think I did it. We were going to edit it, but we chose not to. No, no, no, no. Okay. Now, but I can cut off this part, right? Wow. This wasn't sure. No, leave it folded. Just to just leave it. Just put it in the thing and leave it. Okay, check. You like it. Actually, take it with you and frame it. Take it care of it. Bring it back to be framed. No, check. Actually, keep it on the clipboard and frame the clipboard. Okay. Bring it back framed. Thank you, Chuck. Have you ever seen the National Anthem? Fuck no. Oh. I don't know that kind of voice. Can you just sing it? And like, if we were like, I'm not saying that you have to do this. But if we were just like, yeah, sing the National Anthem, you would just be able to sing it. And you would feel good about it. And everybody would be like, this is like, she did it. No. Absolutely not. No, but I was thinking, you have to, oh, no, no way. She invented a style of saying that was so characteristic that it became like a meme. And everyone in the world started pretending to sing like her. Yeah. And then I got made fun of for it. No, really? Yeah. Everybody else was eating my, eating off my fucking plate. Because you were the first to do it. You think that people. There was a couple years where like, if you put on the radio, I would go, is that meat nest on me? That one's not me. When I record with Benny, I call it baby voice. What's that mean? It's, I like her baby voice. It's like a more like high-pitched, like sassy. Like all the songs we did, like, East Side, they all have baby voice. Baby voice, yeah. What was your big, uh, without me? Yes. Yeah. Was that something, baby voice? There's a little bit of baby voice. Yeah, that's what it was. But it seemed like it was like empowered, like, like, nine years, not baby voice. It's a different. But you also kind of, like, East Side, don't you have like kind of like a, kind of like a rapper's cadence almost in the way that she. Yeah, she, yeah. You know, it's funny. That's why I love doing songs that Ed starts so much. Oh yeah, she's the only rapper that I really. But you also do a rapper's cadence a lot in your own thing. Or is it because we write so similarly? It's like syncopated, it's very. She's so lyrical, like, the lyrics come to her, like. What's rappers, like, cadence, it just means, like, instead of a thing like. It's like, it's like rhythmic. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like more syllables than, you know. Yeah. I don't even think, I don't even think you remember, like, how many songs of hers that you know. Oh my god. Oh, do you need a napkin or something? No, I'll wash my hands. It does, you get a lot of the pen or the pen stuff. Oh wow. It's just a little cute. I mean, you like it. Oh wow. Let me see. I like it. I like it. I like it. You like it? You can do it so much. I just feel vinyl over my mic. You have to stay all day. I'm sorry. And night. What's your favorite of your own songs ever? I think nightmare is one. 'Cause it's a unique song. I've never heard another song that sounds like that ever. Like, it's such a unique song. I play it every night. I've never, I haven't done a show since that song came out where I don't play that song. We made, we made Hell with it. We went on tour together. So much music. Really? Yeah, we went on tour. Are they like jumping around at your shows and getting wild? Yes. Yeah, they're like losing their minds. It's like, it's like a rock show. Like, it is now. Yeah. Yeah, my show's been more like rock. It's like not going to a rock. No, it looks crazy. I'm a Travis Scott. Yeah. People come to the show and they're like, I know that song. And they get out there. I'm like screaming and jumping around like fire. They're like, what the fuck? It's fun. Have you ever gotten hit by like a pyrotechnic? Like, were there blows? Like, one time I was on stage and I had a blown in the face and it was jarring. I have a few times. Yeah. Nothing like, like, I was injured. But definitely a few times where I've been like, that could have been horrible. Close call. Yeah. Like a few. I had like a really scary experience once. I was in Turkey. I was in Istanbul and I was going to do a show. And I, um, there was like a 2,000 pound truss that was unbroken on top of the stage. And they were trying to decide if they're going to let me go out or not. And it was like hanging. Oh my god. And I was like, am I going to die? Yeah. Did you perform? I did. Yeah. Everything was okay. Were you going to edge of the whole time? I was. I wouldn't go out unless I knew that someone could tell me for sure that it was safe. But they weren't sure for like an hour. And then finally they like got it into place, it was like good or whatever. I am a mess right now. I have a question about making music. Before you make an album, do you think like, ooh, like, because are you gearing up to make an album? Yes and no. Yeah. I am. I'm like, I'm getting ready to go. I like to go. Okay. This is so stupid. I usually like to go away for like a little bit and just write stuff. So not necessarily music, but I have to go like, I have to go play like pretend for a little. I like that. Like it's like change your mind. Yeah. I have to become someone for like a little bit. Like cold as a soft expression. Yeah. Like I have to go like live a different life for a little bit. Get out of your mind. You think for a while and like touch to something. Yeah. Yeah. I'll go like, I'll be like, okay, I'm going to go get an Airbnb in like Japan and like go to this little market and like hang out with the kids in the park and like cook and I'm like, I'm someone else. Yeah. And then I kind of see the world through that perspective or like, I'll be like, you know, I'm going to go live in a cabin in the forest. And when you're doing this and you're writing phrases and but not is there even music involved or you just write the words and then like later the music comes and you remember the few phrases. I pretty much always write the words first. Interesting. Yeah. And like because I'm really like wordy, percussive. Yeah. I think the music sort of like reveals itself. Like there's certain cadences that the rhymes are like the words have to fit in and so that really helps with. Interesting. The melodies are just kind of already there, you know what I mean? I've never written any lyrics without the beat. Really? Ever, yeah. No, because it's my own, I'm so trying to make like the best version of itself. This is probably my flaws in artisan. I'm always trying to like, does the beat have to be like almost printable or do you just need like a base? No, I want the beat because you know how like beats have like different turns and like I want to like optimize every moment and be like, this is the best way that I could go from this. That's so funny. But it's kind of my downfall as an artist because I'm trying to optimize every moment. Yeah. It's like the raw. And you're trapped to that container of the song. Yeah. I used to make Benny pull up all his like rapper beats. Yeah. Like he'd like sit down and when we first started working like he'd be like, all right cool. I have these like, you know, starts, these like pop song starts and I'd be like. Yeah, yeah. Like, have you go and give me the folder that you saved for like, yeah, yeah, 100% and then I'd write. And then we'd have to like de-rapify them because I always sounded like weird. Do you like working with Benny? I love working with Benny. Benny's also, we're like the most efficient. Yeah. People ever. We feel like three songs done in a day. I feel like one of your strengths is that you don't waste time. You pretty much know what's good and what's not and you know really once you, you don't waste time. I would never bring anything to the table that's not worthy. Or let it go down a path that was before. No, yeah, yeah. I rather just quit. He really has a. Yeah. I rather just quit. No, it's like brutal. Yeah. Oh, no, I know. Let's try something else. Yeah. No, but I was almost like, nah. Yeah. Okay. I found the idea so quick. You can't be like thin skinned, I think. I've gotten this far just by trusting my gut. So if I feel something that doesn't feel right. Yeah. It's like I'm not really that good at anything. I just think I have pretty good instincts. Good gut. Yeah, I think I have a good gut. I think their instincts are right 100% of the time. No, but I think the right more than they're. There's songs out there that might be forgot about. I'm sure. I'm sure. I think that you actually, I don't actually don't agree with you fully. I think there's things you're objectively very talented at that you have a lot that you bring to the table. But I would say your best skill set is that you are an excellent curator. You can curate friends, artwork, interior design, an outfit, a song, a sound. You understand all the different parts of a thing that have to come together to make it its best. Yeah. And it's most unique experience. There's never a time where I feel like you would say something was a big song and it wouldn't be. I've been wrong of some time. Degrees of big. Yeah, but usually it's beyond your control. Usually if you're wrong about that it's because of something weird that happened with like the market or the way it was released or like what the label promoted it or whatever. That's what it has big. You know. Do you think you'll always be able to just guarantee big songs? I think what I know is I think I know what people want. What people want. I think if women want. If there's a full. I think if there's a full like I think if we have this thing right here I think I'll know what clips to make of this thing that will make people want to watch it. I don't have that skill set. What do you think? A lot of artists don't. No, I don't have that skill set. Do you know like when you make a song I know you know and you love it but do you also are you like I think this could be a big song do you have those thoughts? I think so. Yeah. And I've also learned to listen to myself in that regard because I've had other people but on records and I've been like no it's this one. Yeah. And also like I think that perspective always proves victorious in the end. You do. It's like you know. It's got to believe in yourself. I think that's a hard thing as an artist to be able to like hone in and trust your instinct. That's so many artists pick the rocks on. Yeah, but it's also because you're you're you're you're putting yourself on such like you're putting yourself out there. So at the same time to have the self-belief to be like I'm going to trust my instinct while you're also being so vulnerable is a is a that's how you become so close to it. That's the other thing. You could be too afraid or too like you need to know when also to take the opinions of others who are able to see you in a way that's like unbiased and like. You also need to be able to be really honest with yourself you know like I know that there's a version of me that I think I am and then there's the reality of the way that. The zeitgeist or the audience or culture interacts with me and like I'm a product of like every. artistic experience I've ever had but most people perceive me based on the entry point of how they met me. So like if they heard closer for the first time and that's when they decided their opinion of me they're like she's this type of artist you know so it's like I noticed about my shows a lot because you get so many different types of people in a room and there's like dudes in there that are like I love nine inch nails and this girl fucks like she rips like she made this rock album that's awesome and then there's some girls in there that were like we loved her in college makes pop music that we love I need to know like when I'm like okay I'm a I'm a perceiving myself as like a product of all those things and I need to know when someone is going to their interaction or entry point to me is different than that and that's what's helpful about having someone like Benny who we've talked about this for years. What do you think the public perception of he is? I think people think I'm really intense yeah really like political and opinionated and like intense and I'm really a very chill person. Do you feel like that gets in your way? Like what did you just like didn't ever go online again and you just never went online? I don't really because I don't eat really right now but I think that they've because of I was 19 yeah I thought everything was my responsibility you know I thought that my job was to fix comment on care about speak up for advocate for yeah which is a good speed. It was so well meaning it was so well meaning it's a shame that that the world beat you down to think where that was annoying yeah yeah sometimes you get it wrong a couple times so that's the problem yeah it's like you know it's like it's like the idea of like when you when you what is it when you speak for everything you stand for nothing yeah kind of thing you know where it's like I did get it wrong a couple times because I was really young and like you know it was it was growing up in front of the entire world but also like I um yeah I was just young I was just young I was just like maybe to this day there's like videos that go around and people are like oh my god I'm like I was 20 in that video I'm 31 yeah now you know what I mean like everybody has to grow and change and you know also not for nothing like not to get really not to prove everybody's point about why I was annoying right now but like my life is so different than it was back then like the socioeconomic background that I come from like the amount of just like panic anxiety the lack of financial security the lack of safety like that I had at that time that I was still I was still in fight or flight yeah from my life before I'm just like I'm more chill now of course I was panicking all the time I was like you know I support my mom I support my dad I support my brothers but my grandmother like if I fuck this up and this goes the wrong way everybody's lives different I got to get this right and that was those mistakes that some most of my peers didn't have yeah I think everybody is really attached to like and also because those moments for me make the most noise yeah so like I could do literally nothing for a year and like lay low and then if I do one thing that becomes like holds it claps back yeah but then that becomes the the thing for the year you know what I mean so it's like I think I'm really I'm pretty I'm a pretty chill person but people generally but generally assumes that I take myself way more seriously than I do so that's where it becomes a problem for me because sometimes I'll make a joke or like I'll do something that's like meant to be like lighthearted or funny or and then the immediate assumption is that I'm being really serious but you are but what's the big deal if you take yourself seriously but if I'm not then it sucks because I don't necessarily want that being translated as like my main cause fan duel finals it's already that time it's that time it's a exciting time for a lot of sports fans so stressful well not when you know what's what and you're ready to predict the future are you guys really excited to start predicting look I don't wake up thinking I'm gonna call my shot I just have an intuitive nature to me where I kind of see what's gonna happen you know I have a real thing to say yeah it must be a little bit more exciting to kind of when you when you have real stakes involved yeah on your prediction well I'll tell you one thing yeah I wake up in the morning and I predict you can predict the outcome of the pro basketball finals games all the way to the end of the championship with Fandall predicts sign up your $25 bonus on Fandall predicts and ride this plan journey with me this episode of sponsor by better health then how is therapy made you a better person I think sometimes when you're deep in with your family and your friends it's hard to see always the other person's opinion like for me when I'm in therapy sometimes I get checked by my therapist and they're giving me an unbiased opinion of the situation and what's going on it truly gives you a toolbox of on of tools that you'll use with the rest of your life well said therapy has helped me and it can help you and the others in your life sign up and get 10% off at betterhelp.com/fks that's better h-e-o-p.com/fks there's a quote that I think you'll really love that I saw the other day there is no way to make art or make material that challenges people and be liked by everyone and the more time you spend trying to to appease others or to avoid confrontation or avoid conflict it's like every single time you do that you pull a thread from your work in order to do so and then you're you're left with the with a piece that's completely unraveled by the end and you've given those threads away so you can never you can never put it back with the integrity of like you know where you started and I think especially in what you do like you have a whole other layer to the kind of art that you make because comedy is a factor and comedy is challenging and it's disruptive and it's provocative and it's controversial and that's the nature of it is supposed to make people feel that way and I would not survive that at all I just simply wouldn't survive that like I think it's hard enough having to have a point of view about what I do and wanting it to be cool or sexy or emotional or meaningful or to perform well if I had to add the layer of comedy on to it and I had to worry about navigating that that's got to be really you have to you guys just can't imagine how I could argue that it makes it easier I could argue that yeah kind of like it's it allows for things to be softened and and like you can say something without like I wrote a song the other day that was like from it was called I'm worried sure and it was about like worries and then it was also like every now and then I would sprinkle in like things about the state of the world sure that we're like that I would feel kind of lame but also you're worried that the breeze that your favorite coffee shop like fucking to see really dislikes you and worries yeah for sure but I just think I'm worried I'll never finish the song yeah if I made a song it was really about like that was trying to like be political and be like I'm worried about everything that's going on in the world like I would have so much more trouble doing that versus on in the song where I get to like be like say that and then the next line is like I'm worried that I'm going to want to fuck the robot like in ten years when I get to make that joke but I don't even think you're worried that you want to fuck more than I want the robot to fuck me oh are you scared to be sincere like are you not sincere I think in music I have more fear of being serious than I do like on film you know yeah other mediums yeah do you just say you want the robot to fuck you because I'm also wrapping it's like it's hard for me to take myself seriously yeah just going over that line you said where you want it a robot look I just think we're at a place in the world where it's like will we get fucked by the robots or no are we gonna fuck the robots or are the robots gonna fuck us I know I feel the same way like I think I could sit here right now and I could be like you know like you could be like like earlier like you'd be like were you having fun when you had like the number one song like no I fucking hated my life joking yeah yeah and then I would say haha and you can see me in person I'd be like no fucking hate my life now it's cool and then the quote is like how's he hated her life that's the part of the internet culture like they can take like they can be like look little dicky jokes about war and makes painting about the jokes of war yeah yeah yeah but that's that's I think that's the downfall of like human connection because so much of it is like not any of that like being around you it's like even when you said that thing over there I wasn't it wasn't so yeah it wasn't as dramatic as it would sound and print I'd be like oh wow but in real life I was like yeah she's relatable she didn't she experienced life I would so much rather people disliked me and you're being yeah because there's a a lawnmower I got to know there was someone come from Texas change yeah I'd rather people dislike me for being myself than to miss out on like so many years of my life being who I am because I was worried that they weren't gonna like me because they're not going to anyway social media and the internet is such a like a presence of like admire me look at me and it's like real life is really like let me connect with you and because everything it's translated to internet culture it like miss it like we all we lose the like sweetness of just being yourself and being able to say whatever you want like connecting and not judging people because like really if we perceive people we accept them as we are as they are and we or maybe we don't but we let's just we receive people and we experience people we don't judge or categorize people in real life yeah there's more room for nuance I think Tony. I mean look even though I went to a party through when you didn't even live in the house I feel like obviously I didn't I feel like today having spent this time with you I can't even wrap my head around how anyone could ever perceive you as annoying I really can't believe it. I used to be really annoying. I did. I gotta take a shit. All right. Thank you so much We love you. We love you guys. Thank you. Have a good one. Here's your talent Thank you McDonald's for sponsoring this episode. Thank you. I call for sponsoring this episode. Thank you. I call for sponsoring this episode.