The Halloween Movie Draft

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This is the Big Picture, a conversation show about Halloween, live from San Francisco. We are coming to you from the Tony Remby Theater in San Francisco. here in San Francisco. We're joined, of course, by CR, Chris Ryan, which must mean that we are drafting and we are also joined by a special guest, filmmaker and semi-frequent big picture guest, Alex Ross Perry. Thank you, Alex. Thank you. Yeah, I used to be frequent. You're what I call our October guy. Yeah. Every October, I need to check in with you and see how you're doing. Now, I do text with you every single day of my life. That's true. So this is not, this will be like what my life is like for everybody here tonight. Are you excited? But with Amanda, who you also, who you see in person every day. That's true. That's true. Are you excited to be potting with Alex? I am because I also text with Alex on a regular basis, but never on the same chain as the one with you. Yeah, they're sort of. Why aren't you on that chain? I, you know what? I've called it Alex. I'm on the same chain as you. I'm on the same chain as many times. All of those men have my phone numbers. They're afraid. 97 text messages about borderline pornography made in 1972. That is only now become available on 4k. I really don't, but I do also then experience a recap of it individually from each of you on your own time. So maybe it would just, it's my favorite current purchase. Like thing that I do is just read and participate in this thread. But every morning I wake up thinking David Bowie has died again because there are so many unread texts that I'm like, holy shit, what happened? And then the answer is like, oh, Tracy Letts is ranking the Friday the 13th movies as he's finishing them. I keep you abreast of some of the finest Sean dunking, which is usually, did I, did I send you the poster I made for Amityville fantasy origins? No. Okay. I need to do that. I grew up not far from the Amityville horror house. And, uh, Alex, of course made it with an image of Sean that I use for memes. Alex, Alex, maybe you could workshop a Sean meme real in real time based on what Sean is currently wearing. Would you like to describe it for the people who have hit audio only? Sure. I'm wearing, um, a single piece skeleton outfit. Clutching my crotch. Yeah. I could have been an XL skeleton and I chose to be an L skeleton. And that was a mistake. And I'm wearing a hooded sweatshirt and I'm dressed as Donnie Darko. And as we pass each other in the hallway, before we came out on stage, I was like, is that hard to pee in? And he said, yes. So I'm drinking my drink very, very slowly. And when I saw Amanda's outfit, uh, earlier, I was just really struck by the class and dignity of, of how well she's dressed. And I love, I love the look because to me tonight is a very fun and special, not even a full circle moment, a sequel, you might call it in horror language. Cause we did all of us, a horror draft almost exactly four years ago. And I was like, Oh, I'm going to do this. I'm going to do this. Um, three of us in person and Chris remotely. Um, so now it's hard draft to rise of Dobbins because if someone like you may remember if you've listened to this and Amanda lived through it, that draft was defined by Amanda saying, I'm not participating. I don't watch horror. I've never seen any of these movies. I did no prep. I'm just here for shits and giggles. It's a lovely fall day in New York. And I'm away from my son for the first time. I'm living it up. And now here we are four years later. And you have, I would say when Sean sent out the list, some contenders that we should all look at, I watched a few movies. Chris, you might watch a few movies. Amanda, you've been, you've been mainlining these films with, with the intensity of like a jolt, a jolt caffeine soda guzzling teenager in 1996. Those of you who listen to the podcast know, um, I did have more homework for this episode. And, uh, Chris asked me today at lunch, whether this had awoken a new Halloween spirit in me and whether the season would extend past, uh, literally right this second. And the answer is no, this is, this is it's we've, we've hit it. It's no more days to Halloween. Um, but it has been educational. Uh, and I feel like I've learned something about each of you from this experience. And a little about myself as well. And, uh, certainly I understand more of your jokes, but I, I think maybe it means that I don't need to be added to all of your text chains. You know, I've, I've gotten the recap. You've got a deal. Um, one, that is the only draft in the history of this show that you did not participate in. And I was there. It's very fun. It's very sweet that you remember that I just had no memory of it until you were like, remember when you sat in a studio with us and listened to us. And I do remember the first time we'd met. Yes. And I learned a lot about your Halloween decorations. Yeah. And, um, it was just, it was just a fun and exciting thing. And I revisited it because I wanted to remember some of your preferences and Chris's, and you've made some categories that mean there won't really be much overlap. But to me, like the last couple of years are defined by two parallel tracks. Now that sort of reached terminus Amanda's embrace of the horror genre, which at that time you really had no familiarity with contemporary horror. I feel like would maybe even not participate in those episodes. Mean joke incoming. Um, and Sean's full blown embrace of, of, of megalomania and the promotion of his own brand as he becomes a transmedia mogul. Yeah. As I'm frequently described by you. Do you know that joke structure where you say something sincere to one person and then make a joke? Yeah. I may have borrowed it a few times. Um, so this is actually not technically a horror movie draft. So if there's any of you out here are like, Oh man, I hate horror movies. I don't want to do a horror movie draft. This is a Halloween movie draft. And that is very different sort of based on the categories. I just, Chris, when I say Halloween movie to you, what does that make you think about pure terror? I mean, like I, but I'm an originalist, you know, like they, they say that about me. Is that like, I like to go on. Uh, I love to get terrified during, during October. I mean, that's when, when else, but then, and so it's not really a time for me to like branch out and try different stuff. Like I like to go to my core guys, the big four, you know, Mike, Jason, Fred, you know, and, and Lev and we, we commune, we talk, we, we watch the sequels, but it's not a time to be like, isn't, isn't this, you know, Rossellini movie kind of also a Halloween movie. It's not, they're not. Amanda, what about you? What do you, since you have not been a horror person your entire life around Halloween time, do you just sit around watching costume dramas? Like what do you do? I mean, I live my life unless one of you is around. Let's, should we tell the story of the time that you guys took me on the haunted hayride? Yeah, let's do that. So I assume that there is a similar tradition here in San Francisco, but in Los Angeles, there is in Griffith park, a haunted hayride. I don't know if you've heard of it, but it's a haunted hayride. It's a haunted hayride. And many of the underemployed actors of the Los Angeles area and production designers and costume designers, listen, they go all out. Certainly a lot of spooky lighting, um, are recruited to create, you know, uh, a haunted extravaganza outside rather than in a house because it's Los Angeles and you can be outside year round. Uh, so our first year in Los Angeles, my husband and I had just moved and my husband is not a scary movie person either, or really a Halloween person, which is, you know, they're a scary movie. And then there are, is that the costumes and the, the, the fanfare of it all. And I guess we're killjoys on both fronts. But we love Sean and Chris, despite how I behave on every podcast. And so they invited us to go on that haunted Halloween ride. And they were like, here's and I, the one thing about me. You make it sound like Chris and I like live in a small cabin together. All we do is wait until we can go on the haystack. Our wives were there, Amanda. That's true. And so one thing about me that is true is that I startle very easily. And I do not like audience participation. And so they prepped it for me. And Chris said, I mean, it's going to be OK. What we're going to do is we're going to put you in the center of the hay truck. The wagon. I guess. The wagon. Thank you. Also, just so you know, it's not audience participation like a comedian doing crowd work. It is a guy running at you with a chainsaw. So anyone would startle. Don't downplay it. But so you said what we're going to do is we'll put you right in the center of the wagon. And so they can't get to you and they can't get in your face and you'll be totally fine. And you'll just ride the wagon like no big deal. And I'm like, OK, we make it onto the wagon. There are too many people roaming around. It's very uncomfortable. We get on the wagon. People are leaning over the wagon, kind of like you guys on the balcony. But no one can get to me. Everything's fine. And then the wagon comes to a start stop. And I hear Chris go, oh, no. And apparently this was the year that they had innovated at the hayride. And you had to get off. And walk through. So God bless this man who walked three, like one foot ahead of me. And just in a like low voice was just like, OK, so we got a chainsaw coming up on your left. We got a chainsaw. And then there's a man in a freaky mask here. And he guided me through the whole hayride. And we made it out. So I guess Halloween is ultimately about love. And me doing things reluctantly. What did Sean do when you got off the wagon? Sean's not in the second half of the story. And I was like, let's fucking go. Because you could also say he just ran off in a panic. Like that character that always flees first. And then you find their body. No, I hugged all the guys with chainsaws. I was like, thanks for all your work. I love you. And 10 years later, here I am. You're in it now. What about for you, Alex? You are a true Halloween guy. You might be the Halloween guy in my life. So Halloween movie. I don't know if that's true. I don't know who else is in your life. I mean, I think you told us of two individual horror movies. Movie marathons that you're participating in this month. Yeah, well, they're all on the same day. I'm doing back-to-back marathons. Okay. I'm a marathoner in my free time. Fair to say you're the guy then. Movie marathoner. I mean, you don't have to define what kind of marathon you're doing. When I talked to a dad at school who said, you know, he said he was riding the New York Marathon, I was like, I have three marathons this month. I don't know if you can top that. I'll be taking no further questions. You know, the Halloween movie thing that you've challenged us with is interesting because it's. It's a lot like a Christmas movie, obviously. A movie that's set on Halloween or one of the Halloween films. Can you watch it on October 1st? Most people wouldn't. You'd maybe hold off. And we're the same. Halloween in our house is kind of like a six to seven week event. My daughter put up most of our decorations this year before Labor Day. August 29th, we were putting some stuff out on the lawn. I said, no pumpkins or skeletons yet. I allowed those like on May, like September 20th. That's good parenting. I gave in on that. The equinox? Yeah. Or is that the. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. That was when I allowed like, because up until then, it was like black cats and like, you know, simple things. You're talking right now like you're really normal. Yeah, completely. Very chill and normal. If making your daughter have a magical day is abnormal, then I don't want to be normal, Sean. If you'd like to deny poor Alice, eight and a half weeks of Halloween decorations, that's your prerogative. It is true that Alex spent like 10 minutes today just grilling me on like, so what fun kid things do you do? You know, kids often set the, they set the tempo. And if Astrid wanted to decorate for Halloween before Labor Day, who am I to say no? So we love it. And I do like watching horror movies basically daily from, you know, roughly September 15th to November 10th or so. The first to the 10th being, you know, the observed period of horror hangover. Yes. The movies get a little gentler. Yeah. But the question was like the Halloween films and we curate this, you know, Anna, my wife and I, is there some stuff you kind of need to save for like now 21 to 31? And often that is the, often that is most of the films we have. So over the prep for this, watching like this film is set on Halloween, but watching it like October 2nd or 3rd, it's been a real trip. Yeah. Oh, okay. I was curious, Alex famously has a very robust movie, calendar with seasons. I know war season approaches in February, correct? Yeah. Dead of winter. Is there a, in between Halloween and war program? Is there a Christmas season? I love how normal Alex makes me seem. It's so exciting for me. Is that why I'm always invited around to push Sean more towards the center? At some point, Chris and I are just going to leave. Yeah. So we'll, we'll have to wait and see what happens next. We'll see what happens next. That's when I have to catch up on all the movies from the year and then go back and listen to big picture episodes from May about the movies that I'm only now seeing. And send nasty notes about our opinions about those movies. Yeah, so a lot of movies that everyone, you know, is like, I can't wait for you to weigh in on this. I'm like, keep waiting. Wait for it to hit the screener app. We'll hear about Fjord on March 11th. I'll watch it in December. Yeah, screener season's in there. Okay. That's a fun season. What comes between war season and Halloween season? Screener season and Christmas season. What? No, I thought war was in February. Yeah, yeah. So when, you know, in like mid-November onward. Right. We'll start watching like the screeners. And then is war season just February to September? No. Like February to April. When it starts like thawing out, we stop watching war. Okay. All right, just, okay. He times it to the part in Band of Brothers where they're coming out of the cold forest so that it mirrors the seasons of World War II. We, you know, it's nice. This is going exactly as I planned. It's nice to have a calendar that you stick to. Okay. You have to like, you have to, orient around something. We can't all curate our lives around our wildly popular podcast, Sean. Some of us have to watch movies for fun. So I did want to ask one more question before we get, or we approach the draft. You've watched all these horror movies for Halloween. Yes. Without delving too deeply into it. Was there one that actually scared you? Hmm. Well, there are movies that I'm going to, you know, watch a lot of horror movies. I think there's a lot of horror movies that I'm going to watch that I'm not going to, you know, watch a lot of horror movies. There's a lot of horror movies that I'm going to watch that I'm going to watch that I'm not going to watch. I'm just kind of bored by it and I don't want to be watching it. So that takes entire genres, maybe not off the board, but gives me a different way to experience them. But yeah, there's plenty of, of scary stuff. And it was very interesting intellectually to think about the concept of, Oh, what is scary? I also, you know, you know, my sons, but they're also learning the concept of scary in different ways. And so what's scary to me, what's scary to them. I called home tonight and found out that Pee Wee Herman is very scary to a two-year-old. Scary mama, scary. So, you know, that has been an interesting thought exercise. And it is nice to, like, catch up on other references. Do you guys still get scared at movies? Sometimes. Sometimes. Yeah, it's very, it depends on the circumstances and what kind of a movie. Like, I was telling you this over text. Amanda, you'll appreciate this as a parent. And Anna and I were watching the Poughkeepsie Tapes, which is like a sort of psychotic depraved serial killer found footage movie. It's a good film. Very affecting because it's just very realistic. In the middle of the movie, my daughter heard her shuffling around upstairs. It's no good. Go upstairs, seemingly while asleep, she had woken up and poured a glass of water in the hallway. And when I went into her bedroom where the door was open, she was in bed asleep laughing hysterically. that's what you want at that moment i was very frightened because of the combination of the movie and and and what was happening in my house nothing like this recurred but i feel like sometimes you know that's really i speak for i think all of us when i say like that's what we what you want if you watch all these movies yeah you want to have a paranormal experience once or twice once or twice a season you want to find something that you're like that got under my skin a little bit it's funny in the theater now never scared at all in a movie theater, but the two scariest experiences I've had watching movies over the last few years are movies that people have been like, you're such a loser. Those movies aren't scary. But the circumstances under which I watched both of them were exactly the same, which is I was sent a link to films that had not come out. come out yet with no marketing or anything dark web by a friend who has access to these things the first one was skinnamarink and the second one was undertone which came out this year and both of those movies i knew nothing about them and i watched them alone in bed with the lights off and airpods in on a laptop and they i was very disturbed at 11 30 p.m also disturbed by that description well i mean i'm sure many people fantasize about me in that position but i was very scared that night um but i can't remember going to like halloween kills and being afraid of anything that might happen but that's as you get older and i think the other thing is like you see if you've seen hundreds and hundreds of horror movies as you're starting to realize their effects start to wear down on you but then it kind of evolves into something that becomes i think just that's why you keep chasing that first line you do you do just keep going back because you never know you never know you never know and sean you're you're bringing the podcast from undertone to the ringer network right yeah yeah i'm eping uh very uh efficient production uh like the way they made that podcast small crew yeah yeah small crew like doing 10 minutes a night you know yeah which is not a lot of people saw undertone that we should we should your undertone humor didn't play amanda did you watch any of these in bed with your pods in by yourself no i would never do that that's a terrible way to sleep or live your life i watch them you know normally on i in the room where we put all the stuff that we don't have place for us that you and i were discussing earlier but before we draft can i know the lights are down but how many people here are true horror heads or feel real passionate about them okay how many people we should just say there's really few hands up okay yeah it was you know maybe like a fifth how many people thought they were coming to a san francisco movie draft okay and how many people are like are terrified of horror movies or so they think okay so it's it's about it's an even distribution i moved off of the city-based yeah um movie draft because we went to canada and had a fun canadian movie draft and everybody in canada was like die this is not canada it does not represent canada so i didn't want to offend anybody here it's fine but instead we've offended their sensibilities nevertheless this is the whole halloween movie draft and we're going to be doing a movie draft and we're going to be doing a movie movie draft and we're going to be doing a movie draft and we're going to be doing a movie draft movie draft so yes how many people here have been trick-or-treating wow okay do you guys want some candy up top like let's go it's whatever okay so we're gonna we're gonna introduce the categories and then we'll set the draft order for the four of us so we have seven categories today here are the categories halloween franchise movie this is a movie that has to be in the halloween franchise some of which were directed by rick rosenthal that's right two of them in fact the next category is movies that take place on halloween the next one is dress up movies with radical makeup and or costume transformations next is stephen king horror adaptations feature films only no miniseries the next is halloween movies for kids the sixth category is other holiday horror that means this was my idea other horror movies oriented around a holiday and then the last of course is wild card as it is always i did think until this weekend that it was just other holiday movies since this was a halloween draft that was a tough break it's fine it's i definitely deleted that from my list but that's okay i'm right sean's robust document that apparently only i looked at would have set that straight i did share a document chris was not aware of it until two hours ago it's all right do my own research um before we get the draft order any any thoughts about these categories that you want to share before this is probably the like throw it up in the air and see who comes down with a draft i've ever been a part of like i have no idea what the number one movie is well iron man three what are your thoughts you you were born for this yeah i i there's a lot of excitement here i i would like to avoid overlap with um you know the draft we did before that amanda i have quite literally no idea what you drafted yeah i only have a vague one because i refresh my memory but um you know we went through a lot of work to get these i was on a great text chain with you started off with sean explaining the categories at length with no one else chiming in and then became amanda asking lots of questions and sean not answering them i feel like it's a good system all right jack jack sanders see there was some discussion about whether he would come on stage but i can see you in the that discussion was amanda saying i want to embarrass you come on stage yeah but this is nice i can see him it's right there there it goes yeah what do you want reese's oh good idea yeah okay there you go okay all right all right when he gets back to his microphone he has pieces of paper that he showed me okay he pointed them out because he knows i like to check the legitimate legitimacy of these things drafting first providing physical evidence for amanda dobbins is amanda dobbins wow great i wonder what i'll do okay go ahead drafting second christopher ryan what was that one more time third someone's yelling third third chair okay we'll see we'll see when do you think that'll what are we gonna find out who when does that end when does the return of the king we got an election coming up brother drafting third is alex ross perry wow and sean is fourth big turn okay all right i know what i'm gonna do wait chris said before we came out here that he was like i'm gonna work on how much i talk about the movie that i'm drafting okay are we do you want to can you provide context should we all provide additional context about the film especially if we have some horror novices here and we wind up drafting some some deep cuts i mean i'll do my best i can do that on the first one i want i want amanda's thoughts on all of this okay this is this is the journey of this show is amanda's entry into this world that's right well there i'm gonna go in a stephen king adaptation uh and intriguing well there is there's one that i feel the most passionately about which is carrie uh which is and i i didn't want it to stay on the board so women in stem yeah women moving beyond stem truly you know if telekinesis is part of stem so this is brian de palma's uh adaptation not the i believe that there's some miniseries but that's to be derisive it's just a miniseries so i don't know about it um that's television yeah how's that going for you guys um yeah we'll see just you guys chill out when when skydance makes like 30 war machines a year so you come crying back to the white lotus resort you know oh tv's really interesting now and we won't have you you'll be shut out uh so this is brian de palma's adaptation of stephen king's first novel correct uh and i saw this movie i guess fairly late in life though pretty early you know not in the last 12 months for the first time like you're dying yeah um but this is i think one of the best high school movies ever made which is you know not a hugely um in revelation revelatory thing to say but uh it is definitely a male gaze of the uh female experience in high school but also i do I think, yeah, who could have seen that coming? But also I think understands something very naturally about how cruel girls are to each other and what a nightmare that whole experience can be from all sides. And obviously is just so visually memorable. The prom scene, I don't want to spoil it for anyone, but surely you've seen Sissy Spacek covered in some substance. And it's another one where it's just, it's really good and really holds up. It's, you know, technically excellent and the, like, the side-by-sides and the prom scene and everything is very visually memorable. And, you know, not a happy ending. Would you say you relate to Carrie? Or to Sue Snell? Yeah. I carry more. I carry more than Sue Snell, you know, but a little bit, I see, I see myself in everybody except for the mom. Yeah. That's, that's a tough one. That's not your, that's not mom representation you can get behind. Yeah, you got to move beyond that. Yeah, yeah. Now that you've picked your king, did you, did you homework any other king movies that you now don't need to discuss? You know what I had never seen? Misery. Interesting. Yeah, speaking of that gal you'd relate to. Yeah. Real Annie vibes. I went to a fundraiser a few weeks ago for a very deserving organization in Los Angeles and it was a pig roast and I had just watched Misery like two days before. And I was like, hey, anybody else want to talk about this pig? pig uh but anyway uh yeah so that was good roast yeah tell us more well it was it was delicious and raised money for a good cause so but i had i think i'd seen all of the other major ones um and you know this i've also could be a place where i could go for a less like classical horror type steve experience but carrie speaks to me so there we go i'd say that's a great first movie on the board oh sorry i can't be a woman i was just laughing about the raised money for good cause part it's just like it was just funny okay do you relate to travolta and carrie uh i relate to the mom i think that misunderstood pressure makes diamonds you know no we leave you alone with alice for six hours and we see what she can do yeah she can drive your car okay chris you're up uh i'll take the goat i'll take halloween in halloween franchise um responsible i think for 90 of the atmospherics that we associate with cinematic halloween at this point the uh very much copied font of this film the synth score from john carpenter and alan hoarth uh it is largely a hangout movie for the first hour and five minutes i think it's very uh humoristic but it's essentially just babysitter and her friends uh doing doing babysitting and and getting into their romantic trysts you know romantic trysts romantic trysts that's what they're doing in this movie um but little do they know this guy in a mask is watching him and he's escaped from an insane asylum he learns to drive and he comes to haddonfield which is actually in pasadena um and he's he's got a bone to pick with them uh can we can we i brought this up last night when we screened the film at the balboa what do you think his issue was with with babysitters like what was really at the bottom of that i think he's just like he experienced some some childhood trauma with them right i mean he inflicted yeah but like he was part of it you know doesn't he doesn't he feels neglected you know so you think he just didn't get enough love well he's he's on the outside he's being ignored while his sister is you know getting busy instead of you know jew and jack o'lanterns with him on halloween uh like laurie strode in the in the background of all of this i'm just explaining you guys like you guys never saw halloween uh is one of our our great therapists in film uh dr loomis um who at once wants to heal michael but also gun him down um throughout the franchise do we ever get a sense if loomis thinks michael is good or evil or that like he can fix him like i was just very very vague on this point when you watch his eyes um this is still one of my favorite films so it's a pleasure to pick it did you guys have any well pj soul is batting a thousand so far in the draft yeah that's right now that's gonna end but right now this is the pj's rock and roll high school not available you know i didn't revisit it does that take place on a holiday i don't know i don't think so ramones day school is in session yeah um are you are we moving on we can't do that like a tight 20 on halloween what's that just keep going on halloween another 20 minutes halloween um that was a joke where do you think where are the parents in your opinion oh this is how i was raised it's just like but like where did were they all at a party together key party yeah okay all right great i i'd like to see that you still have i mean like they made that movie it's called the ice storm i only have a recollection of being babysat once my parents were not around a lot but i only have one memory of a babysitter can you get to like your raise during the great depression i would get home from work i was eight years old hands bleeding from the riveting factory um and mom would give me weedies no i just remember uh one time i had a babysitter richard that maybe i shouldn't say his name uh you refer to him by his full name i made it known that i had a much greater preference for his sister allison to be my babysitter for reasons that don't need to be stated but it was allison was not available that night so richard did it and he was just like how can i make this up to you that you obviously wanted like my sister to be here i was like i don't know he's like what if i chase you around the house with a knife and it's still one of the top five things that's ever happened to me and i told my parents about it after the fact that i never saw richard again let's just agree not to google him and see what happened richard are you here tonight that's that's that you you should have said that when sean asked about your history with horror movies and that's where it starts right that's like in the diploma doc where he's like yeah i don't know where it all started i my i saw my father and my mother like i was hiding in the closet and they were and i was like just kind of watching them and they didn't know i was in the closet and i was like i was in the closet and i was like i was in the closet and i was in the and i was like no one's ever explained themselves better than you just did dressing my mother up as his first wife um we have 30 movies to go should we move at this pace i'm having fun i i've got i i so it's me now it's your turn i can't believe i'm getting this and this is a real zag okay and i don't know if you would think i'm gonna pick this but it's your your categories okay and i'm taking the nightmare before christmas and children's film which i mean well when i started this and you gave me the lists i wouldn't have been like that's my number one pick but this is a weird category this movie is i i watched this movie four times with my daughter in the last month three at home and once in the theater i hadn't seen it since probably like 1996 it's like i don't know if people have heard this a masterpiece it's really good and i didn't remember that and um i really i mean the the device like i don't even know i mean i have number two and three and four in this but this is a weird category um but this is just an incredible film and watching in the theater with her recently was even more fun than watching it at home she sings the songs now and it's to me like obviously we've lost the ability to make movies that look this you know beloved now this friday wildwood comes out that's true and i have to say it is made with the same level of care before christmas 200 percent the runtime yeah that's true which i'm nervous about that's not yes this is a great movie that like has three authors which is very usually the combination for disaster but the songs elfman selic and burton like it's kind of it belongs to everybody and usually that creates like a bad a bad mix but like sometimes it's perfect alchemy and i've really been enjoying having this movie in my life over the last couple of weeks um and i really am glad that an astrid currently is pinning being sally she has the sally dress in the mail that's great she's very pro sally and yeah i'm just on the table what's that what else is on the table like all the other dumb shit she says like when she's watching something else like stuff that doesn't exist just like some some like asinine costume or she'll be like i want to be a ballerina and it's like well you have ballet that morning so i don't know how special that will be to then go trick-or-treating and what you were wearing at 11 but yeah i'm pulling for sally to win but then she'll just like pull out like um you know like i want to be you know like one of one of our cats she'll be like i want to be i want to be him this year but yeah this movie is just really i mean i've just been so happy to have it back in my life and watching it it's just so much fun and you know disney parks amanda you wouldn't know this um re-theme the haunted mansion with nightmare like i think probably like september through january yes because it is this like fascinating movie that like the first 25 minutes are like halloween and it's like it's like halloween like liquefied and shot into your veins and the rest of it isn't that at all yeah but it doesn't feel weird watching a christmas movie in october because the tone is so spooky and fun and um yeah it turns out all these like people that have been wearing these shirts for the last 30 years were right like it's really good and i didn't and i didn't really know what to like what to do other than this in this category okay um chris have you seen the nightmare before christmas i haven't yeah i bet i picked some movies that you guys haven't seen i think it's a big world and it's a lot of pre-ovs you know i just haven't seen it i haven't seen it if angel studios put it out would you watch it yeah taylor sheridan's the nightmare before christmas you saw in the theater i did see it in theater i've seen it with alice alice had my daughter had a play date a couple of weeks ago and the play date was a night time like an evening time play date with five other girls and i was like oh my god i'm gonna watch it i'm gonna watch it i'm gonna from school and they had an out the friends had outdoor screening and it was real pasadena shit and they they watched the five of them watched the nightmare before christmas together and they were like arm and arm huddled up and it was just the most magical thing you could ever see they were completely enraptured by it and you know it's like almost 35 years old it's really been it's still a pristine piece of art so great pick during the party you were under the covers watching something on your laptop yeah i was running the projector yeah yeah okay i have two picks um i guess out of out of to celebrate what we did yesterday i'll go with halloween franchise One of the secrets about me is that I love the Halloween franchise, but I'm not convinced that many of the movies are very good. And one of the movies that I believe to be very good is the second of two movies that we showed last night, which is Halloween 3 Season of the Witch. Now, when we screened the movie last night, more than half of the people in the theater had never seen it. And just shout if you've seen Halloween 3. Pretty good. Pretty good. The intention of Halloween 3 is so fascinating. I'm doing the math with the people cheering about being horror people and then the people being like, is everyone telling the truth? Yeah, this is the only horror movie they've seen is Halloween 3, which last night Alex described as a full-blown masterpiece. Yeah. Well, it's just kind of a consensus opinion these days. Amongst guys like you. The Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences giving an honorary Oscar this year to Tom Adkins, the creator. I think. I don't know. Don't check on that, but I think they are. For those of you who have never seen this movie, this is the only movie that does not feature Michael Myers. In fact, it is not a Michael Myers movie at all. It was made after Halloween 2. John Carpenter and Debra Hill were lured back to the franchise, and they said, in order for us to come back and produce this movie and work on it with Tommy Lee Wallace, it needs to be a different kind of horror movie. And in fact, it's hardly even a horror movie. In some ways, it's more of a science fiction movie, but it doesn't feature Michael. It's not a slasher. It's more of a conspiracy. It's more of a fantasy thriller. They live kind of thing. They live. Yeah. Kind of a pod people movie. And it is. It's folk horror. I mean, it's druidic. Yes. As you mentioned last night, a very anti-Irish movie, which is challenging for me. The most evil Irish character in the history of movies is the villain of the movie. It also involves Stonehenge, which is not in Ireland. Amanda, you've traditionally thought of as like a crystallization of evil, I don't think. Yes. Amanda, you've watched this now. What are your thoughts on this? This curio in the franchise? This is a sci-fi movie that ultimately has, I would agree with, it's interpretation of Stonehenge and, you know, pagan rituals didn't really line up for me. I thought it was slightly disrespectful. To the pagans? Yeah. I feel like they're fine. They were just marking the seasons, you know? Yes, the season of the witch. They're telling time and finding, you know, vibrations in the earth. Did you ever date a pagan? No, but thank you for thinking that was on the board. I mean, Dartmouth, you never know. That's true. It went kind of the other direction. I dated the guy, the Irish guy who, like, blames all of this on Stonehenge. A great Northern California movie, so this becomes the San Francisco draft for a minute. That's right. Yeah. So you get what you wanted. Yeah. And, you know, it's a movie that. So it didn't really click for you? I mean, it's one of those things where it's not my flavor. And that is. That has been part of this process, right? Is discovering, like, okay, it's not that I'm afraid of things. It's that these have, you know, many different genres and fixations within them. And I'm not a huge weirdo sci-fi person. Would you slap some Silver Shamrock novelty masks on the boys and plot them in front of the brainwashing horror-thon? There's nothing to be scared of. What's the problem, Amanda? I have sung the, like, ten more days for Halloween, Halloween, but, like, in a happy way to myself and that it's almost over. So, in that sense, sure. Yeah. Yeah. It's also one of the scariest things about it is it presupposes that 45-year-old mustachioed Tom Adkins is the hottest man alive. And every female character is like, can we fuck? Which I had forgotten about until I watched it last night. Alcoholic surgeon. Yes. In this film. Yeah, I'm glad you. I mean, it's an obvious second. These are obviously the one and two of this franchise. I think so. In people's minds. I said last night at our introduction, there's two things wrong with this title. They shouldn't have called it Halloween. They should have called it Halloween 3. The 3 tanks it. And it's not the season of The Witch. So, I don't really understand what we're doing with this title. And this has kept people away from it. It did at one time, you know, when it was considered kind of the stepchild of the series before. Yeah, the intention was to make the Halloween series sort of like an anthology series like Creepshow or Night Gallery on TV. Like, you could come back to it over and over again and it just meant, this movie takes place on Halloween. And that was part of what inspired thinking of the movies that take place on Halloween category. But I'm not going to draft in that category yet. I'm going to draft in Stephen King horror adaptation. I'm going to draft The Shining, one of my favorite movies of all time. How many. I considered asking if we could make a gentleman's agreement not to have The Shining be eligible. Just why? Because we did it in the last one. Oh, we did? Yeah. Well, of course. It's good. I'm a fan. Who got it in the last one? One of the three of us. I don't remember. Okay. I mean, it's very good. Maybe Sean got it. Yeah. I'll just add a little. I'll wrinkle to it, which is how many people here have acquired the complete Kubrick box set from the Criterion Collection? The one man who can afford it. Thank you, sir. It's San Francisco. It's weird. I just suddenly heard. Do you think Elon got it? I just heard the sound of a box being open when you said that. Is it possible. No, he's not here tonight. The unboxing boy has entered the building? No. Donnie Darko's here tonight. Inside the complete Kubrick box includes the international version of The Shining, which I had never seen before. Which is a way edited down version of the film that Stanley Kubrick made after the movie came out and got pretty bad reviews. And he thought it was kind of a commercial failure. And so he recut the movie for its European release. So it goes from two hours and 26 minutes to one hour and 59 minutes. And many scenes from the movie are cut and it feels much tighter and it's much less mysterious and more of just like a pure. Excuse me. It's more mysterious and more of like a why is this happening? What is really happening kind of movie. And it worked really well. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And so I don't know if I can draft the international version. I did enjoy it. It was a very different perspective on a movie I've seen so many times. Well, we're glad you had that experience. Thank you. I will say, I mean, this is a masterpiece. This was obviously number two on my Stephen King list. And only, you know, I guess because I'm a girl. Is this. Do you relate to those twins? I did Google Elliot's Apollo 11 sweater and. Don't know any of those words. Not. I'm sorry. What, Sean? Well, yeah. You don't Google. Right. It's a search engine on the internet. Sweater? It's his name, not Elliot? What? Danny. Danny. Sorry, Danny. I don't know why I said Elliot's E.T. Thank you. No, Danny's Apollo 11 sweater. It is an Apollo 11 sweater. Oh, Apollo 11 sweater. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I thought you were naming like an obscure French clothing line. Seriously, I thought that. No, no, no. I Googled. And you can get them on Etsy, but I was. The time period was too short. I think the boys would look sharp in that. Okay, thank you. I'd like to see pictures. It would be very hot under the lights. But so, the Overlook Hotel, which is fictional, is set in Colorado. But are those opening scenes filmed in Colorado? They are. Yes? The car driving through the mountains? I believe so, yeah. I think that's very beautiful. Aren't they the Timberline Lodge in Oregon? Oh, they are? Oh, it's Oregon? Okay, so there we go. That's where the driving is? I think it's that Stephen King stayed in the hotel in Colorado, felt like it was fucked up, wrote the story about this place he stayed, and then it was. And in the film, they have driven up from Denver, or Boulder, I think. Where Stephen King lived for a while. Is it. Okay, they keep. Whatever. So, but it's Colorado in the movie, but it was filmed in Oregon. We need a little bit of context here. I think the exterior is at the Timberline Lodge in Oregon, and then they built, obviously, Kubrick and Seth. So, I stand by everything I said. There was a chance that this very live show that you're attending tonight was going to happen in Denver. Mm-hmm. And it was Amanda who said, no Denver, San Francisco. Or it could have been Philadelphia, and I said, of course, no Philadelphia. Yeah, boo that. Boo this man. Anyway, I was trying to say something nice about Colorado, but instead Oregon. It's very, very beautiful. Spiritually Colorado. Yeah. That's where he wrote it. Great choice, Sean. Thanks, Alex. It's back to you. All right. I don't know. I don't really. I mean, there's just so much fun to be had, and so much of this I'm curious about what else people want. For holiday, I put one thing on the list that was never affirmed or commented on by anybody else. I put with a question mark is Return of the Living Dead, which takes place on July 3rd. Yeah. And everybody in the horror world watches this July 3rd or 4th. Can I take this as a July 4th? You can. To me, it is eligible as an Independence Day horror movie. Yes. Okay. Well, then I'll take Return of the Living Dead in holiday horror. Can you explain what's so good about that movie and for anybody who hasn't seen it? Return of the Living Dead is a Dan O'Bannon movie. Dan O'Bannon, who wrote Alien and has many other relevant film credits, but that's probably the. That's obviously the highest. And it's this like 80s sort of acid rain punk zombie movie that is really just like as. I mean, everything I just said is what you're picturing. And growing up, I saw that and the Romero movies around the same time, and I conflated the acid rain in this movie with the literal cause of the zombies in Night of the Living Dead, of which there is none. So I was like, you know, zombies, acid rain, and it's this group of punks driving around. I think the opening title card is like July 3rd. 855 PM or something. And it's just this kind of insane, you know, zombie outbreak, which also features like, you know, some of the best practical zombie makeup. And, you know, it's just pure pop. It's just a totally fun 80s video movie. What else can I say about it? I saw this. I didn't make the promise that Chris did to talk more about the movie. I saw this movie. I've seen this movie a few times, but I saw it once in. Right after we moved to LA, I was going to say, there's no. We did not have a placard prepared. for the return of "Loving Dead." Thank you, Elizabeth. That won't be the last time she has to do that. I saw this movie in a really funny cultural context. There is a podcast called Doug Loves Movies and Doug Loves Movies would sometimes do live events. I think it was at the then silent movie theater and you would buy a ticket to the movie and then there would be a panel of people, some comedians and others, and they would make jokes throughout the movie like Mystery Science Theater 3000. And on the panel, I believe were Jon Hamm and Elizabeth Moss right smack in the middle of Mad Men. Oh yeah. And they were just making fun of Return of the Living Dead while we watched it along together. And there's a part of me that was like, this is pretty cool. Jon Hamm is here talking about this movie. And there was a part of me that was like, shut the fuck up, Jon Hamm. I'm trying to watch Return of the Living Dead. I've always wondered, would you enjoy watching a movie? Somebody talking during Sense and Sensibility, you say what? We do this every year because you think it's a funny social experiment. And I'm always very curious at the people who actually queue up our watch-along episodes and are like, yes, thank you. But also, is there enough in your life and how can we help? Last year, I took the train to and from Baltimore for a speaking engagement. We have a flyaway bat. It's a bat. It's okay. And on my train ride home from Baltimore, I listened to your Avatar watch-along and sometimes you get rewarded by Sean crying on mic. Two hours and 55 minutes. And do an episode about Avatar. It's so beautiful. Oh, I forgot about that. So it's a fine. So you guys could do riff tracks. Okay. You guys just fire up a movie. And have you seen this movie? No. You maybe recognize the cover. You know, it's a pretty prominent piece of artwork. Brains. That's a lot. That's a lot from the movie. Oh, yeah. Okay, that sounds vaguely familiar. You know, there's like a lot of mohawks and leather jackets in it. Your leather jacket is really nice that you've been wearing on this trip. Good job. Just picture it. Okay. He's not wearing one right now. It's members only. I have a pick? You have a pick, Chris. Chris, you ready to go home? You done? No, I'm just focused on categories here. And I'm curious about how far I can stretch for kids. As like an idea. Like, you know, because like. Pardon me? That sounded different in my head. You say this not having looked at the carefully curated list Sean prepared. I saw it. I also didn't. I didn't look at that. And then when you were talking about how you added things with question marks as if all of the litigation about what's eligible on this draft happened there, I definitely didn't look at it. So I just want to let you know. So for Stephen King, what kind of printer are you using these days? The front desk of the hotel. Oh, great. Okay. I do have a printer. What room number are you staying in for everybody out there? For Stephen King, I'm going to tell you guys this little story about a film called Maximum Overdrive. This is Stephen King's only directorial effort. He was just absolutely cripplingly addicted to cocaine while he made this movie. So because of that, he thought it would be a good idea to have ACDC do the soundtrack. And this is a movie about what would happen if machines took over the world because we were in the trail tail end of a comet's wake. And somehow that woke up trucks and lawnmowers to kill us. It stars Emilio Estevez, as a ex-convict working at a rest stop in North Carolina, who leads a resistance of sorts against the trucks. And it meant a lot to me as a kid. I have seen this movie so many times. And I will tell you this. I thought about re-watching it to check my work for this podcast. And I was like, no, you get this after the podcast. When you go back to your hotel room, you fire up Maximum Overdrive. So that's what I'm going to do tonight when we get home. Just an absolute fucking chucklehead of a movie. Like, don't go into this trying to make sense of it, but it is a ton of fun and features a lot of that guy character actors getting cut down by machines. Robots taking over the world, you say? My favorite kill in this movie, not to spoil it for the 95% of you who won't be watching this movie, is. Currently streaming on the Criterion channel in the Highway Horror series. Is a. Guy who gets killed by a soda machine because the sodas keep shooting him in the head. You didn't know you had to be scared of that. And then you found out. So I'll do Maximum Overdrive. Did you get to this one, Amanda? What? Did you get to this one? Did I? No, believe it or not. I spent my time elsewhere. Yeah. Watching it in excess of time. You should go to Chris's room after the podcast. Check it out. You guys can sit together in bed and watch it. Sean will be under the covers with the earpods. Yeah. Someone else could be watching The Brutalist. Welcome to my world. I'll do a more contemporary film for takes. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. I'm sorry. I thought I was on the turn. Amanda has two picks at the turn. Now, Maximum Overdrive is off the board. Yeah, sorry. When you were talking about people who are not going to go home and watch Maximum Overdrive, I was wondering, is the man who really didn't want Halloween 2 spoiled for him here tonight? No? Okay. Well, we'll never find out what he thought. Because that guy ruined the vibe last night. When we were going to talk about Halloween 2. He was like, do not tell me how it is connected to the original Halloween. Then I did not. I wonder if he was happy. Okay. I hope he went home and watched it. So I'm going to try something here because as previously discussed, I didn't look at the list and we didn't do a lot of eligibility discussion before this show because we like to save the bickering for onstage. You're going to do a controversial one at pick two? No, no, no, no, no. I'm going to try something. I'm going to try something out. I'm going to bring it to the table. And I know that you guys are going to be welcoming, supportive, and happy. So in dress up movies with radical makeup and costume transformations, I just want to say when this was originally being discussed, Alex Ross Perry wanted to make sure that I was not allowed to draft she's all that because of the makeover. Not that you weren't allowed to. I just wanted to confirm Yeah. that the parameters were not that elastic. And I shared with the group that we'll share with you now. She's all that. Not one of my movies, makeover or otherwise. So here's what I want to say. Is Ghostface from Scream eligible? No. Why not? He doesn't, he puts on a mask. You won't get sued. None of us are wearing that mask because we'd be sued by David Ellison. No, wait a minute. Because it's a very strong costume situation. It's very powerful, iconic. It's not eligible. Okay, fine. No, it's not. I mean, that's not a radical transformation. It's putting on a mask. Well, he wears, you know, sparkles too. It's like you. This doesn't count. You as Donnie Darko don't count as a radical transformation? When I time travel, it will be a radical transformation. But until then, no. Okay. Well, I don't think that's very fun. But I'll do Beetlejuice in this category. Okay, that's great. I had a lot of fun this weekend showing my older son, Beetlejuice, for the first time. And he did the thing where he watched a lot of the movie, like, at a great physical distance from the screen. You know? He was kind of just, like, back away from this. Like, I'm not really sure what's going on. And then he also just kept saying over and over again, where's Beetlejuice? Where's Beetlejuice? Hey, is that Beetlejuice? So he did say Beetlejuice three times. And you know what? But I was really proud of him because historically he hasn't been, like, the biggest, like, plot guy. He watched the whole movie? And. He was like, you gotta say it three times and then he'll show up. And still, they had not done it. Anyway. That's like a core, this scared the shit out of me when I was four kind of movie. Me too. But he, from the very beginning, understood the humor in it, which I was really excited about. And then as soon as Michael Keaton as Beetlejuice showed up, he was just cracking up. He thought it was so funny. And he understood, like, the mischief in it as well as the spookiness. And, I mean, he's a bit of a rascal. How did you explain his sexual desire for Lydia? I didn't, and he didn't pick up on that, which was good. He, like, he was interested in. He wanted to know who Christina Ricci was and then. No, Winona Ryder. I'm sorry, Christina Ricci. No spoiler alert of a later. But. I mean, I was going to draft mermaids later. I did also, then I was like, well, that's Winona Ryder. And I think. I didn't get it. I didn't get into the shoplifting, but, like, I was trying to bring, like, my own, like, you know, I'm trying to teach him what I know as well as what they know. At some point, Dad has to have the Winona Ryder talk with his son. This is not. I agree. You stay away from that one. Yeah. Anyway, I mean, obviously, like, a very visually imaginative and very spirited movie, but it was really exciting to see how Knox was just like, oh, I get it. This is funny. And Keaton for life. The Beetlejuice design really hits. Yeah. I clashed onto it a few years ago after seeing, like, a blow-up decoration of it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Griffin Newman got her a Beetlejuice Squishmallow. Okay. She likes it a lot. 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So I will, in Halloween franchise, take Halloween H20 20 years later, introducing Josh Hartnett. Josh Hartnett. Michelle Williams is also in this, in the Dawson's Creek era. And I had somehow not seen this, even though this being targeted directly at me, at my time, period of life. And it's not particularly thrilling or classical in a film sense, but. What other senses are there? Was I like, don't go on the fucking camping trip? Like, get busy? Get your school? Absolutely. And then lessons were learned, so. In the last time we did this, I was like, Amanda, you must have seen this. Yeah. And you hadn't. And I had not. But now I have. Now you're a card-carrying, shirt-wearing member of the H20 fan club. But that is the use of a dumb waiter as a kill, as a kill in this movie. Where do you guys stand on this one? Never, never been a fan. I saw it in movie theaters and I was like, what the fuck? Yeah. And then. Was Jon Hamm there? Was he like. I know. Jon Hamm, shut up while I'm trying to watch H20. But I, you know. This is like. No, go ahead. I'm sorry. The wine scene's got their hands on it. You know, you don't want that. That's never good. All right. Let's. That's. You know, that's what you. A controversial take about that? No, I mean, like, it's like, at the time, we weren't like, oh, classic Harvey here. You know what I mean? Like. Jon, don't act like you were a sanctimonious Long Island teenager being like, guys, dimension films? Come on. We can't support this. It was truly one of my favorite things at the time. Yeah, no kidding. Yeah, this movie was really big at the time. It was big for all of us. It was big. This is. I went on a journey with this where I had a poster of it in my basement at the time just because they gave it to me at the movie theater when the run was over. I really liked it. Then I rewatched it with Anna when the 2018 one was coming out and could not believe how bad it was. It's bad. Could not believe. Like, first of all, this movie, I think the credits hit at 78 minutes. Like, they barely finished it. Yeah. Yeah. But you've always had a soft spot for it as well. I do. I mean, I just. I. It's a fun, like, boarding school movie that happens to have Michael Myers in it. Yeah. It brought the franchise back. And for that, we're grateful to it. CR, you have a selection. Okay. For something a little bit more contemporary, I'm going to go for Take Place on Halloween, The Guest, which is Adam Wingard's movie, I think from 2014? Yeah. If I remember correctly. And this is about. Dan Stevens plays a soldier who arrives at a grieving family family's doorstep one day and says, I knew your son when we were serving in Afghanistan and he wanted me to come and check up on you and make sure you guys are doing okay. And what ensues is very, like, James Cameron-esque, 80s-coded, retro, fun, action-horror movie with Micah Monroe. And it's just, like, a really awesome movie. And it's been sort of returned to recently by the little scene movie Onslaught, which Sean and I potted about, and nobody cared about. But. No one saw the film. This movie's sick. Nor heard that podcast. And this movie kind of kicked off or popularized, like, that kind of revival of the Carpenter style in contemporary genre movies, I think. I mean, somewhat. Yeah, I mean, I think the movie made $3 million at the box office, but we think it's cool. Has gone on to still, I think, have somewhat of a cult following. Do you like this one? Yeah, this played at Sundance the first year I went with Listen Up, Phillip. And, you know, for years, we always. I've heard, like, midnight screenings at Sundance, really fun. And I saw it my first day there, first screening I ever saw, midnight, and I was like, this is fun. Yeah. This is cool. I bet I'll work with Dan someday, and I did. Reader, I did. No, I think this movie's good. I mean, I haven't seen it in 12 years, but I assume it's still good. It's still good, yeah. I'll check in on Onslaught when my end-of-year catch-up comes. I don't remember this movie taking place on Halloween. During screener season, not during war season, though it is also potentially eligible in war season. It's not a world. Onslaught's a World War II movie? It's a. Well, it's about. Yeah, kind of, kind of. It's about a forever war that we're engaging in. A culture war, you might say. You might say. What is the Halloween part of this movie? I don't remember. It takes place on Halloween. The whole movie does? It's, like, around Halloween. I don't remember that at all. Yeah. Guess I should rewatch it. It's in New Mexico, so it's not like, ooh, spooky. Yeah, one of the crappy Halloween places. It's in New Mexico, so it's not scary? No, it's not. It's not like you're not like, ooh, like, the leaves are blowing. It's just like, ah, it's fucking New Mexico. It's a Northern California feel of Halloween 3 season of The Witch. No, I haven't been in. I like New Mexico enough, you know? Like, ah, well. Albuquerque live show, put it on the board. ABQ, we would get. I've never been. Neither one of you are going to the desert, right? I tried to. I love Santa Fe. I tried to get him to go with me, and he, like, you know, a trip with our families. He was not into it, so I don't actually believe you. Oh, no, I'm just saying, like, I'm saying New Mexico doesn't scan as Halloweentown to me. Okay. As opposed to, like, what is Halloweentown to you? The Disney Channel franchise. Yes. Halloweentown. Chris, have you. I assume you've seen all three of these films. I have, yeah. Yeah, you're a Halloweentown completist? Now, these were on. These are. Oh, I guess no one else is taking kids' films, so. Oh, yeah, but you're up right now, so you can take one. I already took a kids' film. That's my first pick. I'm up right now. Yeah. I'm going to do makeup. Makeup and transformation. And I'll ask you, this is a makeup one, special effects makeup. Reagan and the Exorcist? Oh, sure. Can we. Yeah, I think so. In our debate about this, I said to Amanda, the way I'm approaching this is, like, a specific character in a movie that is just indelible in the public conscious of, like, the way that character looks in the movie because of the effects and the makeup is viscerally horrifying. Mm-hmm. So, yeah, I'll take Reagan and the Exorcist. Wonderful. Which, you know, as the movie goes on and the spirit of Pazuzu possesses her body and what becomes of Linda Blair and the way that she's styled in her eyes and the wounds on her body and the way that, you know, Help Me appears in her flesh is just this sort of, like, roadmap of torment that is so grounded in the incredibly, like, emotional horror of the movie. How are the various items related to Pazuzu that you used to display in your backyard doing? I'm glad you asked. They're still there, but they have a bigger yard now. And have you gained more? No. I have no more, like, lawn ornaments, just lots of Halloween decorations. How do you think you'd do with Pazuzu? You guys just kind of working on something together. You think you could do a good pod? Well, wasn't that when our children were very, very. We did this entire bit in the last one, by the way. We did. This is one of my only material. Yeah, but since then, like, our children have gone through, like, the Pazuzu phase. And, like, didn't we. We did that a lot whenever they were having a good time. When they were having a meltdown. You would have them. A priest come and say. Someone would yell, like. The power of Christ compels you. Sean would often yell the power of Christ compels you as one of our children were like, ah! I wish Max von Sita would come over to my house. That would be awesome. Yeah. Okay. You've taken the exorcist. I hadn't even considered that. That's a great call. This was a category where everyone could kind of bring their own thoughts. Yeah. It's so exciting. And my honorable mentions are vast and varied in this one. It's true. Movies that take place on Halloween, I will take E.T. Uh, which I think also takes, does it, does it take off? Is E.T. a movie for kids is a question I kind of wanted to talk to you guys about. Yeah, but you forget how scary it is. You know, I really want to show this film to my daughter. Subscribe to the nanny state. Let these kids grow up. No, wait a minute. Wait, wait. Is this Tracy Letts' nanny state? Or is this, is this like a Mary Poppins nanny state? My nanny is watching Santa's Sangria. Because that nanny state is showing way worse films than this to all the children. Yeah. Yeah. I, um, I really want to show this movie to my daughter. I had a very unique experience. I may have told the story on the pod. I can't recall, but I got very sick a couple of years ago. And I went to urgent care in LA and I was waiting and I couldn't really breathe. And I, I was just really felt, you know, really clogged up. And a doctor walked in and he said, what seems to be troubling you? You young man. And this is a true story. Was it Burt Lancaster from Field of Dreams who said that? No, it wasn't. But it was a figure of some note. And I told him what was bothering me. And he looked at me and he said, okay, I think you're going to be just fine. And here's what I think it is. And here's, we'll get a prescription for you. And you know, what do you do for a living? And I said, oh, I'm a podcaster. And he said, no kidding. I like podcasts. And he said, what is your podcast about? I said, movies. And he said, movies. I've been in movies. I was like, really? You've been in movies? He's like, yeah, I've acted in movies. I usually act in movies as a doctor. And I was like, well, what movies have you acted as a doctor in? And he's like, well, have you seen E.T.? Well, doctor, I have seen E.T. He was like, I'm the doctor that saved E.T. in E.T. There's a whole scene where E.T. is dying. And actually the doctors, I think, killed him. But he tried to pretend like he saved him. He actually hasn't seen the final movie. So I went to this, you know, I took down the doctor's name and I looked at his IMDb credits and he had like 70 credits. And every credit was like Dr. Steve, Dr. Jim, Dr. Bill. It was amazing. And that man healed me. That's beautiful. That's beautiful, man. Yeah. I forget his name now. That doesn't have anything to do with Halloween, though. No, but it does have to do with E.T., which is the film that I selected, which takes place, of course, in part on Halloween. Some of the best stuff in the movie. Candy is a major part of this movie. Yeah. Yes. The kids in their costumes and E.T. going out trick-or-treating. Some cul-de-sac in the valley, right? Yes, exactly. And a beautiful movie. And a movie that I do, I'm not drafting in kids movie, Halloween movie for kids. I'm not sure if I would think of it as a Halloween movie for kids. And yet I think of it as a movie that takes place on Halloween. I'll have to figure that out in the future. Okay. I have to draft another movie. I guess Halloween movie for kids, I'm going to take Ghostbusters. This isn't a movie that takes place on Halloween, but it's a movie that should be watched on Halloween. And it is kind of like Beetlejuice in that there are some parts of it that are too scary. And there are some parts of it in which the humor, Dr. Peter Venkman's humor does not work on five-year-olds. I was going to say, also tried this with the same four-year-old who loved Beetlejuice. His review was too much talking and he turned it off. You watched this just now? You watched this recently? This summer. We put it on for a minute. I thought he would love it. And I sang in the song and it was, it was a no-go. Interesting. The song goes harder than ever. I would say we listen to the song every day at my house. What would you rather put on the Silver Shamrock song or the Ghostbusters theme? The Ghostbusters theme. Ray Parker Jr. He's never lost a day in his life. But the Stay Puft Marshmallow Man is eternal. Slimer is eternal. These are like, these are gateways. These are portals to getting excited about the genre. It's fascinating to mix that child. It's like childhood-like stuff with these two demons need to fuck and paranormal psychology. And Bill Murray is the funniest person in the world if you're over the age of eight, maybe? I don't know. Yeah. Not a four-year-old. How old were you when you saw Ghostbusters? Well, it's, you know, the classic thing people say all the time. We're like, I saw Ghostbusters 2 way, way more. I was four when that came. That's 88. Viggo the Carpet fan. Is it 89? Yeah. Is it 88 or 89? Any Viggo heads out there? So, I was like, I was, you know, like, I was all of our kids' ages when that came out and saw it and loved it. Does Ghostbusters 2 take place on Halloween? No, it's a different, yeah. New Year's. We didn't need that help, though. And, yeah, Ghostbusters, like, I recently found some, like, kindergarten questionnaire of mine. And I listed my favorite movie as Ghostbusters 2. Where did you find that? In some pile of crap my mom handed when she was visiting. And Ashford was like, what's Ghostbusters 2? Why is that your favorite movie? So, yeah, I saw that countless times more. And still have a lot of fondness for it. Even though I guess I later learned it's considered an inferior film. I like 2. It's a little silly. It's, like, it is requiring every tiny amount of physical restraint I have to not just sing the song at full volume right now. So, can we keep it moving? You have a beautiful theater in which to sing. When there's something wrong. Yeah, come on. Yeah, great. A good pick. Alex, you have a pick. Um, okay. We're getting down to it. I feel like I'm not looking at you. We are. There's a couple questions. How are you? You have any candy? I haven't. I'm going to save it until later. Okay. When I'm watching Maximum Overdrive. So, I created my own rules for Wild Card. Okay. Wonderful. You said it could truly be anything, right? You're breaking an unspoken draft rule, which is going Wild Card before the last pick. Um, I did it the last time we did it, too. Oh. I took Hellraiser right away in Wild Card just because it didn't fit in any other categories. Okay. So, for my own sake, I, for Wild Card, I. I did Northern California horror movies just to kind of have some local color. And because I wanted to revisit. Whoring yourself out to the crowd, I see. That's right. They will be voting on that. And also, just in the interest. We can see it in her head. So, I'll take The Birds. Oh, that's good. Good. That's really good. Only way to get the Master of Suspense on the show. On the board here, as far as I know. And, you know, as close to a defining, iconic San Francisco, Northern California genre film as there is. And, uh. I'll tell you what. That is a movie that legitimately scares me. Birds? Yeah. Don't trust those. Just absolutely not. Wild Parrots hit the neighborhood recently. They, like, come through once or twice a season. Absolutely not. Yeah. I walked home from dropping my daughter off last week, and our next-door neighbor's house had, like, seven vultures. Seven vultures. Seven vultures perched atop it. Huge black ones. It was very exciting. One of these days, I'm gonna come over your house with a bird. Um, should I say anything about this movie? Or should we just. Please! Alfred Hitchcock, Daphne du Maurier adaptation. One of the great early eco-horror films, as they're now called. And just one of the great explanation-free horror films, which we're hearing a lot of. Halloween, no explanation until the sequels. This, no explanation. And I think we've kind of lost that. Like, people just wouldn't allow it. Today, it's actually illegal to make horror movies where there's no explanation of what's going on at all. No, I hate that. Um, maybe it'll be repealed in the next administration, but, you know. Who are you voting for? Well, Sean. Many, much like Matthew McConaughey, I'm moving right towards the independent way of thinking. Where's the camera? Let me just direct address. So, like many Americans, I feel like we've been forsaken by a lot of our elected officials. Is there a camera there? I don't know. There's a. There's a red light. There must be something over there. It's just a guy with a red light. Can you do an extreme Wayne's World close-up when he does that? Yeah, it's just. You know, like, when you're watching the Hitchcock movies when you're younger, you don't know, like. Oh, this is, like, his fifth-to-last movie. You're like, oh, this is one of the great ones. This is classic-era Hollywood. And then later, you're like, oh, this is, like, the back. You know, the back. Not even the back nine. Like, the back two of his career. This is Zyreshman. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And he obviously loved. It's a little shorter than Irishman. He set several films here. He did? Northern California, San Francisco. What if the birds was as long as the Irishman? If you combine it with. Goddamn, what are we. Can we have another conversation about these birds? They're really freaking me out. Combine with the birds, too. You've got a nice four hours. The birds, too? I've not seen the birds, too. I think it's, like, a direct-to-video. It's from, like, 90s. Okay. Yeah. Who directed that one? Martin Scorsese. Martin Scorsese. Right after Cape Fear. Yeah. I just love the film, and I had to create my own. I had to create my own wildcard category. Because I feel like sometimes it just ends up being something from your honorable mentions, but I wanted to give myself a defining structure to it. It's a great pick. CR, you do have a pick now. I do have a pick now. I'm going to go for. You've got an interesting draft board. Dress up. And I'm going to take Digger. Because. Mostly just for, like. Now I'm drafting for, like, when someone sees the graphic of what I picked. They're like, that's just six movies? Wait a minute. Oh! There we go! They already had that printed up? Elizabeth, all over it. Love that. And obviously, I'm talking about Plemons here. The hair. No, I mean, if I have a takeaway from this film it is knowing like he was like i fixed makeup i did it it's 12 hours i did in four hours as you guys you know and like his whole like i've just transformed myself when it could have been like exponentially worse because he's playing a guy dressed as another guy like he actually didn't need to go that hard like 14 people have seen digger so you're you're you're in spoiler territory okay i'm sorry if you guys were saving it for streaming uh anyway i i think it's it's the greatest like contemporary example of makeup and transformation that i could think of i think house of gucci would like a word yes speaking of birds um okay i have two picks this is pretty straightforward for me okay in other holiday horror i'm gonna take mid samar which i think is my favorite ari aster film uh not eddington what you're saying it's not eddington i was gonna i was about to say with respect to eddington which i you know i enjoy all of them i just realized as i was talking that my husband um has a hereditary t-shirt that i meant to borrow for this draft and i forgot and instead i ordered this i'm like a dumb tremendous upgrade if i can just interject in in the shirt department um this i guess i saw fairly early on in in the horror experience and alternately terrified me the first 30 minutes which was just extremely bleak and upsetting and then uh amused and titillated me for the rest of the time i have a complicated relationship with the scandinavian peoples uh as long-term listeners of the podcast no and i'm just like oh my god i'm gonna be like oh my god i'm gonna be like oh my god i'm gonna be and uh you know i think this puts some things out on the table that are interesting that we can all talk about uh but in terms of seeing things that i didn't you know the surprise and the shock and and not quite jump scare but also like wait what the fuck just happened there are several scenes that are quite memorable and i guess there is some explanation but to go into the theme of not everything is handed to you on a platter um that certainly stays with uh stays with you more i do think this movie is equal parts funny and unsettling which is also what i've learned speaks to me in this genre the most so uh you know and midsommar is a holiday do you celebrate that as a holiday midsommar i i threw i've thrown an equinox party or two uh not recently but this came out now in the dress-up era of the podcast would we see you in a in a flower crown i i mean i can't be getting it on in on that level you know then then that just becomes a whole it's it's not my lane but florence p forever is this movie in your girl boss canon um well let's let's think through that i mean maybe in the same way is carrie in my girl boss canon i mean you know they both come out on top yeah well sort of changed um sean you know carrie's not alive it's not alive it's not at the end of the movie yeah well that's not true because she reaches her hand out from the grave and haunts the dreams of those that she affected yes yes so her legacy is on top okay she lives to be the subject of an amazon prime streaming show some might say a fate worse than betrayal and death um i i guess i will follow um alex's lead and go in wild card even though i don't have a sexual um and sight appropriate theme to go with my wild card uh i tried to pick scream in another category i'll pick it in this one uh the first scream the first scream i was 12 years old when this came out and i i did not see it in theaters i remember i watched it in my aunt betty's basement which had a full wall of windows on this side and it watched it at night a basement with windows it was like a finished basement yeah and it was like my uncle had his office there were the windows looking out into the dirt because it was a basement it was like in the below ground i do understand that but i guess on the back sean's being glad houses can be built on a slope thank you so much and you know that okay is that what is that what it was it was built on a slope yes it was can we go to the bottom of this story sure the plans for on betty's house up on the screen yeah can you what's the zillow the dog bed was also down there and the dog bed yeah and my dog's office animals that people have as pets and they sleep in big soft beds on the first i'm hearing of this but so what i remember is that it was a finished basement but i was there i watched it by myself and everybody else had gone to bed and i was like here's what i think is a cool thing to do and i was like here's what i think is a cool thing to do and i was like here's is to go downstairs and watch this movie that everybody is talking about you want to be part of the conversation that had what you wanted to be part of the conversation yeah that has drew barrymore in it and well five minutes well the five minutes that matter to your show you know it got me in that netflix you know flavors so and they got it out of her um i was absolutely scared shitless i was so so terrified and i didn't understand any of the jokes and i didn't under you know and it has been fun to go back and learn all the references but that is a movie that it is there's a movie for cinephiles right it is made out of love of everything that came before it and trying to digest it and recreate it for people exactly my age at that time so it worked very well i've enjoyed most of the sequels uh with varying degrees of success but yeah original scream yeah thank you so i gotta draft uh halloween movies for kids the reason why i was asking about like where this movie this category could go like you know intellectually was because i did watch this movie with two children but i wouldn't say that was smart you know i wouldn't say that that was like healthy modeling of responsible behavior but can i have blair witch project here yeah just because you you watched it with kids doesn't mean it's for kids they asked they were like i've heard about this movie and we were like well actually they didn't ask we told them about it were these like just like two kids you found on the street and brought back to your house working at a 7-eleven i was like you guys need blair witch um they were like hey dude will you buy us a pack of beer and you were like yes but you gotta come to my house and watch this found footage no it was um my good friend's two daughters and i was like oh my god i'm gonna be like oh my god i'm gonna be like oh my god and they are they are burgeoning horror fans they watch like lots of horror how old are they uh one at the time was a senior in high school the other was like a freshman in high school no these are not these are not kids are you guys saying no i'm fucking up here i can just say i didn't see it that loves you was like nah bro no they were like okay i think i didn't see this on sean's list they hadn't seen it okay i didn't see this on sean's list of movies for kids well that's because i'm that's not the definitive list we're all being creative but i don't i'm sorry you don't think i can have this nice unanimously no i don't think that there was a single person working on the blair witch project it was like five-year-olds are gonna love this how are we defining all right just go to your wild card and come back you've seen ghostbusters you could have taken that yeah but like i had this blair witch anecdotal yeah uh let me take i don't know man uh i really she's let's have what do you do to screen speak screaming it's in wild scream it's in wild card wild card is kind of an open just to keep things movie and holiday horror i'll take maniac cop which takes place on um saint patrick's day um and this is a film that says instead of all cops being bastards what if they were maniacs undead cops who were carved to pieces in sing sing but came back to life to terrorize the new york police department this is a 1988 film our second film drafted tonight starring tom adkins that's right um this would be bill lustig yeah this is yeah and uh written by larry cohen right and it takes place on saint patrick's day it culminates on saint patrick's day where uh sam ramey delivers a direct camera tv report about how violence is marring new york city and people weren't going to show up to the saint patrick's day parade but they all came together to come out and it's just a great great little uh family film but i'm going to put it in in holiday horror what's your relationship to saint patrick's day uh it's pretty like busman's holiday for a guy named ryan you know it's like every day saint patrick's day kind of thing do you know i do yeah i do sean how's your how's your leprechaun fan fiction going based on the leprechaun franchise i'm living it every day chris's line is looking pretty wild It starts very strong. That's the CR. Brilliant canonical horror film of all time. Yeah. And then some other stuff. Is it Amanda? You're up, Alex. It's me? Yeah. Okay. Well, if it takes place on Halloween, I mean, trick-or-treat's on the board. It is. Which is surprising. It is. But I kind of feel like making, I think, correct me if I'm wrong, you're the historian, draft history, potentially. Maybe someone's done this, I don't know. And drafting a movie I made, VHS Halloween. Oh, shit. Wow. Wow. I like it. Which I'm a segment director, and I made a sixth of the movie. Yeah. But I really liked the movie. Yes. And I really liked my contribution to it. And I just think it'd be funny to pick a movie you made that's. I like this. But I can't have Blair Witch for kids. But that's cool, yeah. And. Everyone who is not a horror fan should go home tonight and just watch Alex's entry in VHS Halloween, which is evil. In a great way. In a way, yeah. In a great way. Yeah, I just was compelled to see if, you know, drafting your own work. You should 100% do it. But it's also. Scorsese did draft a few of his movies on the show once. Oh, okay. I must have missed that episode. Yeah. So was that recorded or.? Yeah, no, we'll put it out soon. Okay. Did you have that after Dr. E.T. medded you up? Me and Margie drafting movies quietly. You're African care hallucinating about. Yeah, in Amanda's basement with windows. Yeah. It's an amazing time. It was my Aunt Betty's. So, yeah, I'm drafting this. This is. I think it was. I think the eighth or possibly the ninth installment of Shudder's still ongoing popular VHS franchise. It was a dream come true to get to work on it. You had me on the show to talk. You had me on the show to talk about it. And, you know, I'm sure Trick or Treat is a much more widely seen film, but if you make the second best Halloween omnibus, that's not bad. And, yeah, I had fun making it. And I think people really liked it. Like, I think it kind of connected with the genre fans and was popular among horror nuts last October and hopefully becomes a rewatchable Halloween staple. It's a great pick. Awesome pick. You got two here, big dog. Other Halloween horror, I'll take Black Christmas, which is actually predates Halloween and is really, if you're setting aside stuff like Psycho and Peeping Tom, really the birthplace of the slasher movement made by Canadian filmmaker Bob Clark. It is a genuinely upsetting, scary, intense movie that. takes place where a masked killer is killing sorority girls over Christmas break. Yeah. That has been remade several times. Why are they at college over Christmas break? They're staying at home. You know, it's kind of like me where I kind of go see my family over Christmas, you know, and hopefully nobody kills me. But, like, a genuinely groundbreaking movie that. It's interesting that, like, we got to Black Christmas before Halloween. Like, someone thought we should make a scary Christmas movie years before thinking that Halloween could be a scary movie. Halloween could be the scariest possible text. And then John Carpenter comes along and kind of claims this entire genre as, like, if not his invention, he seems to be the master of it. But it's an amazing movie. Very, very scary. Still very effective to this day. Have you seen this, Amanda? Oh, no. Okay. Yeah. Sorry. You should watch it. I think you would admire its. She's not going to do that. heavy breathing. I was thinking, like, maybe if I watched Alex's VHS segment, like, with Alex. Yeah. We'll watch it tonight. Yeah. I think you honestly would be incredibly disturbed by Alex's thing. Okay. Yeah. It's also about Philadelphia. Oh, wow. Yeah. Especially when contrasting with my jovial personality that we're enjoying now. The depravity of it was quite fun to revel in. Sean, your picks are all really landing, like, in a pretty narrow span of time here. So, I'm going to pick something that's a little bit more recent for Dress Up, which is, like, I had a crazy emotional reaction to this when I saw it, which is I'm going to pick X, the Ty West first installment of his Pearl Trilogy. Yeah. Because for those of you who haven't seen this movie, I'm sorry to spoil it for you, but it's one of the great reveals in recent movie history, which is Mia Goth plays a group, a woman who goes on a road trip to make a porno in a local farmhouse, and as you do. It's like you're narrating a Ken Burns movie. She's there with her boyfriend, who's a filmmaker, some fellow actors, and things go crazy, and it becomes a slasher, and it turns out that the house that she's staying in is owned and occupied by a very old couple. And the old woman is played by Mia Goth, and we did not know this when the movie came out. And I'm very sorry to spoil it for you, but I was, like, blown away by the wonder of her transformation and performance as a deranged old woman, which any time an old woman is killing a lot of people, that's also very entertaining. See, weapons. I think this is, like, one of the great horror movie performances of recent times. She's also really. Mia Goth's also really great as the young actress, but the actual transformation, and, you know, you know, Ty, he's a friend of yours. Like, this was a great magic trick in a movie that I really like. There's no spoiling this. People have had time to see. Have you seen all three of these? I've seen all three of them, yeah. I feel like this was kind of part of your horror awakening. Yeah, and I remember. Pearl is my favorite of the three, and Pearl, when I watched it, I was like, oh, I actually. There are things in this genre that I can. enjoy and that are funny, and, you know, I liked the reveal as well, but, you know, the 70s porn in a barn, like, I get it, but. What's wrong with that? Do you mean none of the windows in that barn? So, dress-up's done. Dress-up is done. Yeah. We're back to CR. Back to a normal board for CR. Are we back to Alex again? I'm sorry, Alex. You're right, Alex. All right, so I only have the categories that I. There was no rush. Sean, because they filled up right away. I'll do Stephen King, and I'll take Pet Sematary, which is, you know, Mount Rushmore-level King book and film, and Zelda in Pet Sematary was probably my other strong contender for makeup and transformation. A truly horrifying moment that everyone who were. You know, every time someone saw that for the first time, they were shocked by the presentation of this character. And, yeah, I think a lot of people. I mean, I don't know if this is the first time that I've ever seen this character in a movie, but I think it's the first time that I've ever seen this character in a movie. The first movie? Yeah. Yeah, I love it. That's why I drafted it. No, did he? Did Stephen King? He's often weighed in on his own. I don't know. I don't know, actually. Did you like this movie? Alex? I thought you were. Do you know why you're here? Accusing me of beating around the bush. Yeah. I don't know if he likes it. Let's ask him. Let's bring him out. Yeah, I just feel like it's really canonically great. It's a great movie of that era. I think a lot of people remember being pretty scared by this one. And yeah, what else can you say about it? Sometimes dead is better. Yeah. The tagline, cats coming back, children coming back. If the cat comes back, that's just a bad sign. But like, you know, this isn't spoiling the opening sighting incident of the movie, but like, anytime there's like a road with trucks on it that a kid can run onto, if you've seen this movie and you have kids or you know them or like them, you're like. Like Chris at that 7-Eleven. Yeah, we can't. We can't let this turn into a pet cemetery situation. Come over to my house to watch The Blair Witch. Don't run in the street. Sean, you like when people tell like, well, you know, you have to. I read your anecdote about a doctor. Amanda's anecdote about the hayride. Chris's about the children who he showed Blair Witch to. I'll give a brief anecdote. Adventures in Hollywood. And maybe after I say this, someone can take this off of IMDb, is that I was. I successfully made two failed Stephen King scripts. One was an adaptation of a short story and one was a remake of The Dark Half, which was made by George Romero in the early 90s. I'm not sure. I'm going to pause for you to say one of your catchphrases now. See you at the movies? Recently reissued. Oh, yeah. Yeah, by Vinegar Syndrome in a beautiful 4K. That's right. Beautiful 4K. Thank you, Sean. It does look nice. I haven't seen it. Not a beloved film and not a successful adaptation of the novel necessarily. Great psychedelic ending, though. Sure. Which is from the book. And I was at one point hired by MGM who made the original to remake it. And I had a take on how to do it. And how to sort of make it different but also successfully crack the book in a way that was fun. And I worked on it for years. MGM was in the process of being bought by Amazon. This was before we learned that mergers are bad. And the script was done. Amazon, the guys who deliver stuff? That's amazing. And casting was happening successfully. The Amazon merger was looming. I was talking to the producer who I'd been working on this with for like a year and a half. Now, when I get to the end of the story, just remember when you're like reading the news and it's like X company hit by layoffs and you on the show were like. man, you know, I hate to see executives out of work, producers out of work. Keep that and keep the rest of this story in mind. So we're on this call and they're like, so, so the, the, the main character in the book is a, is a novelist by the name of Thad Beaumont. Um, and in the original film, he's played by, um, what's his name from ordinary people, Tim Hutton. And they were like, who, who do you see for this? And I was like, Jesse Plemons, that kind of like a dude, not like a, not like a pretty boy or like a movie star, like a dude. And they were like, yeah, I think Amazon would really want like a star. What about like a Benedict Cumberbatch or a Jake Gyllenhaal? And I was like, I just want like a dude, like a dude who seems like he's an alcoholic writer, um, not an actor playing an alcoholic writer. It's like a guy who's like a real guy. That's my kind of sweet spot. And they were like, all right, well, um, you know, I, the woman at Amazon, I know her well. I think they're really excited about this. Let me call her right now. And I never heard from this producer again, not a, Hey, just wanted to say sorry. Or like, Hey, so Amazon has officially like, I never heard from him again. Did you like text him? Hey man, I don't do that. I wait for people that I'm working with to come to me with bad news. I don't chase bad news. Somewhere in America, this guy could be on stage doing a podcast, telling the exact same stories. And then he never called me back. Alex Ross Berry. He's he's he's Plemons. I don't want to say, he's a good, he was a good guy. He was a good producer. It sounds like the project is not dead. Um, I begged it. This, this was four years ago. So I would like people to stop asking me if this is happening. Um, and it could have been good, but, uh, if you want a little insight into how Hollywood works pretty much all the time, it's somebody ending a casting call with complete enthusiasm and then vanishing forever. But you know, the checks cleared. It's kind of a Stephen King horror story in and of itself. Beautiful. That's my own adventures in the screen trade CR. I don't know how you're going to follow that. Uh, I guess I take karate kid and four kids top that, uh, takes place during Halloween. Fuck off. If I can't have Blair Witch, which I watched with minors, then I get to have a movie that says kid in the title and takes place during Halloween. Chris, no one uses the word minors in a positive context. No one describes actions they did with them. Every movie from now on, we have to say, did you watch this with a minor? Look, this is a great film. I like how Elizabeth accepted that, and she was just like, the card's coming out. We got to keep going. The lights are going to stay, like all the lights go on. Karate Kid, this is about a kid. Can you explain yourself? He's at a bit of a crossroads in his life, and he learns karate and fights off town bullies and sweeps the leg, and then 22 years later, we're talking about it right here on stage. Did you learn how to do karate? I never did that. I never did martial arts. Why are you so emphatic about it? Because I always am suspicious about people who are like, brown belt. And it's just like, who's checking your work? And I also think dojos are suspiciously upgrading. They're like, yeah, brown belt. It's like, let's see you get in a fucking fight, big dog. How many people have ever used karate outside of movies about karate? Honestly, when people hear this, you're just going to get cram kicked on the street. And some guy's going to be like, I know karate, dickhead. This is a big thing in the 80s where it was just like, oh, this kid's taking karate. You're just shifting the whole martial arts vote to Tracy right now. I think they were already there. So yeah, karate kid. Very interesting pick, Chris. Amanda, you've got your final two picks, right? Yeah, my final two picks. You guys can go home soon, I promise. I also have Halloween movies. I also have Halloween movies for kids left. Blair Witch Project, not eligible. As I hinted earlier by accident, I'm obviously going to take Casper. Yeah. Honestly, the only two words I need to say here are Devin Sawa. And if you know, you know. Do you know who Devin Sawa is, Chris Ryan? Yeah. He's in Final Destination, right? He certainly is. Oh, okay. Well, that's great. FD. And Idle Hands, right? And Idle Hands, yeah. He's a Final Boy. He's like the Tom Atkins of his generation. I'm glad to see that he grew up. Do you know about the flaw in death's design? Are you familiar with that? You know what? I do because I saw with you this sequence from the most recent one with the MRI machine. Yeah, Final Destination Bloodlines, which absolutely rocked. You know. Okay, so. Did you watch Casper with the kids? No, I actually did watch that by myself while everyone else was asleep. I re-watched it. Yeah. Were you in bed? Re-watched it. No, as I said. Just checking. And then I have movies that take place on Halloween. And I'm sorry to be sentimental here. I'm going to take Marriage Story, the Noah Baumbach movie, which features not one but two crucial Halloween scenes. And it is about how the Adam Driver character, Halloween is really what brings him, away from his family and then back to them in a different way. And it's very beautiful. And what? It sure is. We didn't have The Exorcist, but we had Marriage Story. Welcome to the big picture. And you know, listen, I'm gearing up to go trick-or-treating on a Los Angeles street, not unlike the very charming one depicted at the end of that film. And I got to get my game face on. I got to get my heart into the spirit of, the thing. And this movie reminds me why. So I'm going to put on a stupid hat and take my kids trick-or-treating. - Absolutely. You have one more pick. - No, I don't. - Oh no, that was your last one. I forgot. Okay, Sierra, you have one last pick, which is now wild card. - I guess I will take trick-or-treat just to summarize this entire evening. Michael Dougherty's anthology film of a series of interconnected sort of shows, short stories that are grotesque and funny and all taking place on Halloween night. And it's just like a really enjoyable annual watch for me, almost semi-annual watch, I would say. And I highly recommend it for anybody going home being like, "What should we watch?" It's like, you can get a bunch of different slices of horror from this movie. - Did you get that 4K? - I didn't yet. Thanks, dog. - Yeah, yeah. - It's a good heads up. - Just check it out. - No, but I was texting a good friend. I was texting him for last minute recommendations for this draft and he just sent me the image. And I was like, "Oh yeah, that guy." - Of Sam. - Yeah, he didn't specify the name. - Sam. - Sam, yeah. - Yeah, okay. - The spirit of Halloween. - Sure, well, yeah, indeed. - Kind of a modern classic. - Yeah, it just sort of was a complete failure. I don't like, it was barely released. - It should have had like five sequels. - And then over the years just became everyone's kind of favorite rewatch. It's 80 minutes long. You can just get it in there whenever. - I think they had a marriage story card, but not "Scream" and "The Exorcist." - Well, "Marriage Story" was on Sean's list. - Oh, okay. Well. - I prepared well. - You know. - Alex, you've got your final pick, which is in the Halloween franchise. - Yeah. - So where are you gonna go here? You have a lot of options. - Yeah, now I will say, I texted everybody. I just watched the only Halloween film I'd never seen. And you were like, "What is it?" This was a month ago. I said, "I'm gonna save that. I'm not gonna answer that now, Sean. We're text messaging." - And you're gonna pick it? - No. - I'm not gonna pick "Halloween Resurrection," which is directed by. - I didn't hear what you said. - I'm not gonna pick "Halloween Resurrection," which was the one I'd never seen. - Yes. - Which is directed by. - Rick Rosenthal. - Rick Rosenthal, director of "Halloween 2." - Yes, him returning to the franchise. - Yeah. Which is awful. - Terrible. - I'd never seen it. - That's the "Big Brother House" one? - Yeah, that's the "Buster Rhymes." - No, yeah, no, sorry. That's the later one, yeah, yeah, yeah. - What'd you say? - I thought it was the Paul Rudd one, but it's not the Paul Rudd one. - The Paul Rudd one is "Halloween 6: Curse of Michael Myers," which I am taking. - Oh, wow. - "Producer's Cut." - "Producer's Cut." - Yeah. - Which I finally watched, which I finally watched. I have "Halloween 6" on tape, but I had never seen the "Producer's Cut." Now, for those who don't know, "Halloween 6" is a Dimension Films movie from the '90s. And I must note, "Producer's Cut." And it was much, you know, Sean, you don't like the Weinsteins. You'll appreciate this. They fucked with the movie. - That's what they did. - And it was heavily reshot. And there was this long-fabled better cut of the movie that was available in bootlegs. And then some years ago, it was sort of restored and it's put out on the Shout Factory Halloween box set. And now it's much more widely seen. And everybody who sees it is like, "Oh, that's the movie." And, A, I love the kind of slick '90s. It's just before "Scream." So this genre is in the gutter. I love the slick '90s, just Dimension Films quality of this film. It's sort of suspicious that it succinctly completes this loose trilogy of four and five, which is initially about Jamie Lynn. Is that her name? - Jamie Lloyd? - Jamie Lloyd. - Yeah. - Michael Myers' niece, allegedly, who in the four and five is a child who is attacked, survives, becomes mute, gets her speech back. And then in this one is older and gives birth to a son who we later learn is conceived under demonic influence. - Yeah. - Michael Myers, it turns out in a way that I really like, that I think actually folds "Halloween III" into the franchise, turns out to be a sort of entity that is under druidic control by a man named Thorn, who has a druidic symbol on his arm. And you've seen him in "Halloween"-- - Briefly in five, right? - You've seen him in five, and then six is made, Amanda is just singing the "Ghostbusters" theme in her head right now. You watched this movie, Amanda. - I watched four, five, and six in one day. - The best day possible. - By the way, I did watch these in bed while sick. And I was really, really angry. - You just described every sick day I had from like 1994 to 2005. What'd you think? How was your day watching the Thorn trilogy, the Jamie trilogy, and rank them? - Sure. Well, I thought the little girl was pretty good. - She's great. - So when she disappeared in six, that was tough. And then I did observe that this is the same year that Paul Rudd was also in "Clueless." - That's right. - I would say that "Clueless" is the better film of the two released that year, starring Paul Rudd. So I guess- - Paul Steven Rudd, as he's credited. - Four, five, six? - That's your ranking. - Probably? - They just go down for you. - Yeah. - That's fair. But you should watch the producer's cut. - Okay. - So it restores a lot of the more outlandish cult elements of the way that Michael Myers is being summoned and controlled by this Thorn figure. The eventual fate of Jamie is really horrifying in this movie, but it's sort of cool the way it's restored in the producer's cut. The end is insane. - Don't they, like, build his house again, right? - Like, Rudd lives across the street, and the girl, the family that's living in the house is, like, the brother of the, it's like, you knew from your, your brother couldn't sell this house, so he gave it to you. - I gotcha. - And that's why we live in this cursed house. Anyway, I just thought the producer's cut really lived up to the hype of, like, they fixed this movie. This was- - I thought that the end was, like, some sort of, like, Loomis rebuilds- - Loomis is there. - Michael's childhood home. - Like, Disclosure Day? - Yeah, you're thinking Disclosure Day. - Yeah, that's right. - Oh, shit. - No, Loomis is there. Loomis is there. - Almost started singing "Sweet Escape" just then. - We gotta wrap this up, guys. - The end is a sort of cult ceremony surrounding the offspring. - This is a movie that exists, that you can watch. - Yes. - That people can go home tonight and watch. - Yeah. - Okay. - I just really was taken with this, 'cause, Sean, see, you don't, you don't fuck with, like, bootlegs, like, you don't- - I'm so glad we invited you. - You don't fuck with this stuff. You want the official release only. If it's a bootleg, you don't- - Yeah, you don't like fan edits either, right? - Yeah, see, I'm fucking with fan edits now. Like, when people say, like, digital creators are taking over Hollywood, I'm like, the people who re-edit horror movies to include their deleted scenes, great. Give those people some jobs, because that's, so that's what a lot of people do. They'll take their favorite deleted scenes that are gory, and then they'll put them back in the movie, and they'll post it for everyone on Google Drive. - Those guys would call you back about the dark half. - Yeah. - And now they're thinking they fucked up. But yeah, I thought this was really solid, really an excellent film. Sean, you don't like, you don't like these three films. - I don't, I don't. And we, that was the longest jag about a movie that was drafted tonight. And great- - You guys know about Sour Strips? - Great job. I have the final pick of the night. And in wildcard, I'm just gonna rep for The Sandman and take Hubie Halloween. Which is roughly nine hours long, available on the Netflix streaming service. And I fucking loved it. I was in absolute heaven. I felt like I was 11 years old all over again when I saw this very silly Adam Sandler family comedy. I can't wait to show it to my family. I've seen it twice. - Producer's cut or the- - Yeah, and Thorne is in that. And he does some, he gets up to some stuff in there. Him and Hubie are doing some demonic druidic rituals. No, it's just a charming movie about a small town with some very arcane and strange rules about trick-or-treating. And I think it's a delight. And I'm not gonna say anything more about Hubie Halloween 'cause we've spoken for so long about Halloween movies. - Yeah, a couple of quick honorable mentions. Do you have any? - You're capped at two, and I'm gonna start running this timer- - Two per category. - Like they do on Las Cotas Reefs, okay? - No, I think, Sean Trey- - Sean Trey, you ready? Here we go. Yeah, someone got that reference. - For Ashton's sake, I just wanna say Wallace and Gromit, Curse of the Were-Rabbit. - Great movie. - Very good. - Huge, huge favorite in our house. Wow, and you're saying I only get to say one more thing, Amanda? - There's a lot of great, Coraline, Corpse Bride, Monster Squad. - Have any of your kids watched Franken- - Hocus Pocus, of course. - Have your kids watched Frankenweenie? - No. - Frankenweenie, that's a good one. - Ashley was so not into this movie. - Okay. - She was very upset by it. She didn't like that it was in black and white. She didn't like that the dogs- - These are all kids' movies we're talking about? - Yeah. We haven't seen any of these movies. - Yeah. - I just was like, what are we doing? - Did you watch Scooby-Doo as a kid? - Like briefly, and then I started watching sports. - It was on? - Then I started crushing tape. - Yeah. - Hell House, LLC? Come on, like what about like truly deranged shit? Like don't you want- - Sue, Sue, no one drafted Blair Witch because you weren't allowed to put it in movies for kids? - Yep. - That's a good movie. - That's a great movie. - I mean, that was the wrong category. - You didn't draft Terrifier or Terrifier 2? - No. - No. - I didn't. - Yeah. - I didn't. - Art's on the outside looking in tonight. - Technically Jaws could have been available for other holiday horror, right? - Sure. - It certainly could have. - I know what you did last summer, July 4th, a big, big holiday. - Also, Lustig's Uncle Sam. - That's right. - A good July 4th slasher. Yeah, what's up with this? There's a lot of these. - A lot of movies that take place on Halloween. Night of the Demons, House of a Thousand Corpses, Amanda's favorite. Arsenic and Old Lace. - Amanda, did you watch the Rob Zombie Halloweens? - No. - No. - No. - No. - Okay. - Listen, there's only so much time in the day. - Fair. - I wanted to do The Strangers in Wild Card, which is the scariest movie that Sean has assigned me in the last several years of watching horror movies. It's very good. And let's see. Also, I didn't do Mean Girls for movies that take place on Halloween because I did it in the Canada draft, but obviously that's, you know, very important. - My other wild card options were Body Snatchers, 78, Burnt Offerings, and The Fog. - All right, we just hit two minutes. We're good. Two minutes. - Okay. We're going to put a QR code up right now and you can vote in real time. - Okay. Should we read what we drafted while people are voting? - Yes, we should. - Yeah, okay. - And Amanda, you'll start reading first. - I will. In Halloween franchise, I did Halloween H20 20 years later. In movies that take place on Halloween, Marriage Story. In Dress Up or Radical Costume Makeup Transformation, Beetlejuice. In Stephen King adaptation, Carrie, 1976. In Halloween movies for kids, Casper. In Holiday Horror, Midsommar. And in Wild Card, Scream. - CR. - In Halloween franchise, I took Halloween, the original. In Takes Place on Halloween, I took The Guest. In Dress Up, I took Digger. In Stephen King, I took Maximum Overdrive for kids. Karate Kid. Holiday Horror, St. Patrick's Day classic, Maniac Cop. And in Wild Card, Trick or Treat. - Alex. - Halloween franchise, Halloween 6, The Curse of Michael Myers, The Producer's Cut. - Yeah. - Takes Place on Halloween, VHS Halloween. Dress Up, Makeup Transformations, Reagan and the Exorcist. Stephen King adaptations, Pet Sematary. For kids, The Nightmare Before Christmas. Holiday Horror, July 4th Weekend, Return of the Living Dead. Wild Card, Northern California Classic. Tick the Birds. - Yeah! - For Halloween franchise, I took Halloween 3, Season of the Witch. In Takes Place on Halloween, I took E.T. Thanks to that doctor. In Dress Up, I took X. In Stephen King adaptation, I took The Shining. For kids, I took Ghostbusters. For Holiday Horror, I took Black Christmas. And for Wild Card, I took Hubie Halloween. - I like that these cards, the E.T. and the Shining cards are in the correct color of their respective box art and logos. - Our events team here is not fucking around. - All right, Jack, we ready? - That happens that quickly? - I'm ready. - You got the results? - Indeed I do. - Okay. - In fourth place, with roughly 17% of the vote, Alex Ross-Perry. - Oh, wow. - Oh, wow. - Wow, that's low. - Guys, he flew all the way across the country. - Even for the birds? - Damn. - Yeah. - In third place, with 18 and a half percent, Christopher Ryan. - Oh, wow. - Wow. - You ready? This is the first time you've ever gotten to do this. - This has never happened. - Okay, it's the Miss America. - Yeah, you ready? - Yeah. - Okay. - Both of our hands are sweating right now. - Hold on, can you stand back? Because this is. Yeah, there we go. - Yeah. - Okay. - I forgot my heels. - In second place, with 24 and a half percent of the vote, Sean Fennessey. - Oh, my God. - Which means Amanda Dobbins has won. - Once again. - Again. - You're all humoring me, and you just wanna go home, but I say thank you. How's it feel, fellas? - I can't believe you guys are here. - I'm so happy. - I'm so happy. - I'm so happy. She won. She fully disassociated for the last 35 minutes of that podcast. I think that much like a lot of our great final girls, this sets things up perfectly for another Amanda Horror draft at some point. Be a solo. Yeah. Or for someone to kill you tonight. Yeah. Next draft, CR disinvited, and it'll be me, you, and three other women on the panel. We'll see what happens. Hey, this has been an amazing time. Thank you so much for coming out here. Bless you all for staying this late on a school night. Yes. All seven categories. We really love making this show and love doing it for audiences. I'm really, really grateful to Alex, who is a great friend, a great drafter, a great filmmaker. Chris Ryan, of course, the greatest podcaster who's ever lived. Please give it up to him. I want to thank Jack Sanders. Thanks for all of his work on this episode. He's a phenomenal producer. Thanks to the Tony Ramby Theater for hosting us. We really appreciate it. And thanks especially to the Ringer Events team. Yes. Elizabeth, Helen, and Charlie tonight, who kick ass. Running around, yeah. And I don't know what's coming up on the next episode of this show, but we'll see you then. Thank you. 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