"The Gospel of the Goose" (w/ Kesha)

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You know, we aren't lyricists like our guests. But I am always saying these days, take me to Shibuya. And you're always saying that, all I want is I'm going to turn me into origami bad. Honey. It's the summer. It's the summer. I want to be a crane up in that thing. I want to be a paper plane. If you see me at Tai Chi and you haven't made me into origami, you're not doing drag. But this is actually a huge day, you know, our guests will never remember this, but we met a couple of years ago at the Elton John after Oscar party and we're standing in line for drinks and it's taking a while. This is not to shade the event. No, no, no. It's a packed bar. It's a good time. At this moment it was taking a second and our guest as a joke just takes a champagne bottle off the thing and goes to turn around and then put it back. She was kidding, but I did turn to her and say, I'm very happy to see you do a very Kesha thing in the wild. And she smiled and laughed, a star smile and laughed. A star smile. And here she is. Have you met our guest? I have not had the pleasure. Well. And this is very, very cool. You figure, we'll tell you, we'll tell you while you have a chance to respond. God, she's coming up with a new music thing. Goodness. On tour, the Freedom tour. Freedom tour. Freedom tour. Period. CEO of Kesha Records. There you go. Get into that. Mm-hmm. Uh, we're so happy she's here. Everyone welcome Kesha. We've been waiting for this day. Honestly, same. Oh, truly. I'm very excited. What do you make of the champagne moment? That sounds right. It sounds about right. And I was thinking on it. It was taking a long enough where you would have been well within your rights to hit the road with it. So to speak. I mean, that sounds about right. That sounds about right. But like, these bartenders. Come on. I love them. The eye contact. They are strategically withholding. Of course, they have to like manage it. Sometimes I'm like, I'm just a guy standing in front of a bartender. Just to point a bar. Just to point a bar. I'm asking you to serve me. But I, what do you make of us repeating your lyrics back, Becky? Or you like? I live for that. Okay. That is why I do this. Yeah. People quote me to me. Yeah. I love it. Thank God for you, because there are some people out here who are like, oh, I just don't. I don't know. It's not. What do you mean? Yeah. No. This is what art is. I do pop songs. I was just playing a show and there were like so many people dressed like me. Do you know what that does for me? I actually can pass away happy when I see people dressed as me when I was 21 years old. Yeah, embodying. I live I can I just before I before the chance escapes me like I am the dance commander. I command you to dance is one of the greatest remixed albums of all time. Thank you. Or just remix a piece. What would you call that? But I just was a dance commander. It was what the dance commander was commanding me because fuck him. He's a DJ is a text for a generation. Honestly. Yes. Oh my god. Making that song with my friend Tom Neville. We also did boots and boys. Boots. That was literally like. Oh, that's a boots. There's a song. And then boys. Oh, I was getting it. Yes. Yes. Yes. I was getting the mixed up. We love boots and we love boys. It's fine. And who's a boy? And who's a boy? You have a great B trilogy there with blood. So you got you got the bees covered. I really do like them. They sing well. You know, and you don't have to be. You're not that plosive on the P's. It's blah. It's great. Are you are you clocking the plosives? The plosives. Is that a word? Like when you say nobody wants that on a microphone, right? I know. Exactly. Like a hot screen. Yeah. You are talking it. You are clocking it. Of course. I got I got an almost perfect score in the SATs. I was going to go to Columbia University. I've always wanted to be a cult leader. Why do you think I love people dressing like me? Of course, I clocked the bees in the P's. Oh my god. I got you. This is an ACT legend. You're an ACT legend. I got perfect on math. What did? Of course. I mean, but like, for you to go from, for you to go from, I was going to go to Columbia University. I wanted to be a cult leader. What's in between? Like, not much. Yeah. I think I still kind of want to go back to Divinity School. Let me take you. I'll try. Yeah. I always liked being in community and like trying to understand why we do what we do. So what my mom, I'd be like, "Mom, I want to go to church." And she's like, "Who's child are you?" So I'm in Tennessee and she takes me from church to church. But then I would always get to the point where they're like, "But you can't be gay." And I was like, "Well, it's not for me then." And so then in high school, I was like, "If I ever get to be a pop star, I'm going to make a place." A community for people like me that want to be a part of community and sing bigger and like, but like can be gay as fuck. Yes. And like super authentic and like just be. And animal as you as it were. Yes. I feel like there was so much around that time too. Like in pop music that was like, "Hey, you can be free." You know what I mean? It was like, it was you, was Gaga, was Beyonce. It was like, we were in college at the time. And I remember all this music is coming out. I remember they had elected, we had elected Obama. And we were in New York for the first time. And it felt like we were discovering who we were. And the music was like, go out and do that. Yes. It was like it encouraged them. Okay, and could you guys meet each other? We met, so this is what we wanted to tell you. Tell me. Yes. You, you, you, you, you, you. Your lore. Oh, I have chills. So Matt and I, me and college. Yep. And then we like finally start like hanging out when we're, he's in the sketch group. I'm in the improv group at NYU. And then we would just all like hang out at these after parties that like our friend Jenny would throw out her house. And the playlist would cycle through. But like any time it hit TikTok, blow, fucking like anything. Your love is my drug. Anything off of animal and cannibal. We were just like, let's fucking go. Like it was how we like, it was how like the ice melted between us. We were like, who is this? They were sort of like, they were like, you're gay, be friends. And we were like, we resent each other now because of this. And then like one of your songs would come on and be like, I'm still hung over you. All right. Truly. Like, but there was like so much joy in your music. And like so much of it was so cathartic. And it really is. It's like, I remember when you played Webster Hall. Like, this is when we were there. I saw you then. And then fast forward to all these years. Later I just told you that I saw your freedom show. Your like, I'm back show at WeHo Pride a couple of years ago. And probably a lot of people there have those same feelings. I mean, that's why they're dressed up as you. That's why they're living like, they're living a Kesha lifestyle in that moment. Because you officially have become like a touchstone. Oh my God. That makes me almost, I'm not going to cry. But like I could possibly because that's like all I ever wanted to do was just make people feel. Just make people feel safe and good in themselves because I feel like when you. you do this, I've kind of, with myself, I realized I maybe didn't have that growing up so I wanted to create what I wish existed for me growing up and it was like a loving community where I could just be authentic and like didn't have to pretend to be normal. And then I played my show last night at Jones Beach like sold out and I'm like looking out and I'm like we did it. We did it. Like we found each other like we're all vibrating at a level where we just want to be our authentic selves and like have it be okay and we made it and that feels really good. That's where it does. I mean you basically are a cult leader in that way and then we're just driving but can I, can I, can I propose to you the missing piece? Yes. I'm convinced you should open a grocery store. Deal. Like you should open the Kesha grocery store and then people will like buy the things if you want to sell like artisanal like olive oil. All of oil. Sprouts but Kesha. If it's a Kesha's olive oil. If you have a one item that's like the smoothie for Erwin or whatever and then you just stock it with like your other favorites at the grocery store. Okay. People are like well I went to the Kesha store. Okay. I actually have been thinking about trying to get Kesha flavored ramen. Like I think about this like 7/11 Kesha edition. Like Japanese 7/11. I love it Japanese. But like the best. What's the, what's the ramen tell us? Well what it would taste like. Let's put some like pop rocks in that one. You know. Make it sparkle a little bit. Wow. I don't know. Maybe it's blue. Maybe it's blue. I don't know. Blue Rossi. Like this is like, maybe it's blue. You just need an adjective and a noun. And then it's kind of a blue ramen hot ice cream. Whatever. You know what I mean? That's party. Do you know the hot ice cream? I've tell me about it. I did. Okay. This is what I heard about. But I don't get it. To my knowledge it's like a chocolate shake. It's like it's like a dairy drink. And it's warm and it's it's a hot chocolate. It's a. Wow. It's a thick hot chocolate. Hot. I'm into it. I mean, I'm down. I just think whatever you make should have. Okay. Not. Oh no. Do the pop rocks in ramen or do pop rocks in anything else? Like I just love pop rocks. Like what are they? I don't know. They ever find out what they were. I don't think I like want to know because it's. I don't want to know. Wow. Don't know. Sometimes we have like things just laying around like a bottle of champagne or something. If we had pop rocks, this would be an episode where we all did pop rocks right now. We eat a hundred percent. But I don't think it's something you could just get in New York. Yeah. Kesha flavored pop rocks. Yeah. There you go. Let's maybe start there. This grocery store is not a bad idea. To be honest, I was kind of thinking about like a vintage store, but the grocery store sounds maybe more fun. Or could I sell my old shirts? And Kesha flavored pop rocks? I think this is. It's a one-stop shop. After all. I love that. Your vintage store is something that would do numbers though. I have so much. I bet you do. I bet you do. I am a whore. Dirt. Wait, I'm going to ask you a personal question. I had. Was that because that was your, you and your mom's house in the simple life, right? Oh, yeah. Gorgeous house. Oh, yeah. Like, yeah, like absolutely like whatever like is in that like like the, the, the heirloom pieces. If you want to part with them, would, would, would sell very well. Oh, I literally, I just sold my house 7,000 square feet of shirts. There's so many clothes, but I can't, like, I can't just like, they have to go to someone who understands that they're very special. Yeah. This is not, these aren't just garments. They're treasures. So what, what do you do? Do you find another place where, like you can put all that stuff into your heart? You've already hang on to it. I shouldn't even say the word archive. It's working. Or let's just be real. It goes into like the storage unit or something. Sure does. Really? But the thing about like the cool vintage stuff is you can never get rid of it. You got vintage, your cape from the 70s with like embroidered pink flowers. Yeah. But I bought in London when I was making it with that weird, tiny man. Yeah. How am I supposed to give it a thought? And now, and the thing about it is you have a story and a place like to bespoke in so many different ways. It is holding so much energy which is making me a hoarder because I can't get rid of it. Yeah, no, and nor should you. Unless you open the store, which I think if you do vintage, it's like you're just worried about one lane. If you pair it with the grocery store. And I like this. I think you could really cycle through some inventory. You're done. I just, I think I'm honestly onto something. No, I did ask you. I've been thinking about we should chat because I've been thinking about this. I'm like culturally and almost like as its own standalone art piece, like if you took a 7-Eleven and branded, I actually was thinking about doing this. Like you take pieces of my wigs. Yes. And you sell them like in a 7-Eleven and like at the cash register, I froze my eggs and maybe like for a very high ticket price by your egg, maybe one. Yeah. I'm keeping the rest, but maybe one. I mean, honestly, there was someone out there who will buy anything. Oh, I believe it. And I'm like, I never see some letters in your day like fan mail. Just think about it. I was talking about the wig piece again. Where does the wig? Wait, someone, your wig pieces are for sale and then you go to the cash register and that's where the eggs are. You worked out all the kinks yet. You were a big grocery store. I thought about it. We're talking about pop rocks. And now we're here and I'm telling you my innermost secrets and I haven't really worked at all yet. I'm sorry. We just know whatever it is. It's gonna be great. It's gonna be great. Well, before we started, I just to like bring back a religion up again. You were talking and right before we started, I was saying to you, we had just watched the music video for Raising Hell, which is one of my favorite videos of yours. Is that you wanting to, because it's set obviously in like a very evangelist, you know, environment and you sort of, you know, breaking free of that, was that you wanting to respond to what you experienced earlier in your life, trying to make it work and then just running up? Well, I think I just like, I don't want to go to heaven without Raising Hell. And I have always had this almost like a nihilism in me because I have had multiple people. This is true. At this point, tell me, this is my last incarnated life as a human. Whoa. Which like, depending on what anybody believes, like, I've been around lots of times in triple Pisces. So it's like, whoa, double Pisces cancer moon. No, literally. Wait, what's your son? So I'm Pisces son. Pisces ride in March 5th. Shut up. I'm the first. Oh my god. Yeah, we're right here. Oh my god. Okay. What are you? Scorpio. Another water sign. Spicy. No, yeah. A little sexy. Oh, but then my other, my other, the rest of my chart is kind of all over the place. Not, not as watery as I'd like be. Sorry to cut you off. You were in your flow as, as we are as water signs. I don't remember, but it was great. Okay. I love doing it. The man, the people telling you over time that this is your last time. So, oh, but so this whole time, I've been like, I love like anything spiritual, anything witchy, anything supernatural. I love a ghost. I love a big foot. I love a hologram is this dimension. All of that, like quantum consciousness. Let's go. Yes. But I also like, we kind of have to be a little ratchet. Yeah. Yeah, there's that we can't take it too seriously. Like, you know, let's break it down. This is the girl last hurrah literally. I have fucked the world tattooed on me twice. Where? Where? Where? Well, one here. I fucked the world. Next to the dead fish. I got with Big Frida on the Kesha crew. I know. I know. You have a matching tattoo with Big Frida. Yes. And Bob the Drag Queen. Oh, my God. We had talk about a fun time. Yeah. I am sure that the Kesha crew. The crew. The Kesha crew. See, why did we miss the Kesha crew? Honestly, I was a major fuck up. Oh, wait, where? Where did you guys pour? We twirled around in the sea between here and like the Bahamas. Yeah. And just it was like, absolute mayhem. Of course. If you're bookshelf and you're for you, page are equally important to your personality, welcome home. This is pros society, the weekly podcast that's part book club, part group chat for thought daughters, pop culture, obsessives, and anyone who thinks pride and prejudice and love island deserve the same level of discourse. I'm Eli Rallo and every week we're connecting the dots between books, the internet and the conversations everyone can't stop having. I'm going to have to look up this story. I'm obsessed. So obsessed. 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They're stories about what it takes to make it out alive, listen to the survivor files with Elizabeth Smart on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts. Are you on New Yorker now? I'm dating the world. I'm dating the whole wide world, and I'm ready to be pulled in any direction because it's my last life. So different people, like who are these astrologers, psychics. So they have apropos, obviously, of one another. So as you know, this is going to be your last life. Yes. I have had multiple people on totally separate, not connected. Years apart. Recently again, yeah. What have they told you, or have you been able to contextualize the past lives? The past lives. What do you know about them? I definitely have been a man and a woman in my past lives. I think, how do I say this without sounding? I don't really care. Don't know. But like I do feel like I do feel like we are all like consciousness. Just in our own little separate bags, skin suits, you know? And in that way, like in my shows, and we're all dressed up the same, like not to be a cult leader that likes it too much, but it does feel really natural because we are all one. Yes. And I like reflecting that, and I love when people reflect that at me if that makes any sense. It does. I think this is the thing about you, is that now a lot of the narrative around pop artists is that they are on this journey to find their authentic selves, right? It's like this is my most authentic album to me. And I don't think you ever had to go through that because I think you've always been completely self-assured. And now what's incredible, and I think what makes you like ahead of everybody is that like you are telling the story of making music on your own terms, but you were always you when you were making it before that. Totally, I think it's just being fully sovereign and really in control and to be honest with you finally in a position where I can give myself that credit because as a woman who can burst onto the scene in 2008, 2009, 2010, like it was not, I was always very authentic, but there was a lot of like it was, it was a confusing time to be a woman in pop culture in terms of like just walking around being super confident in oneself because media was like really love to reflect all the ways I did not actually in fact deserve to be famous or on a magazine or I'm like you're not pretty enough, you're not talented enough, you're not, I was always like not something enough and so I did have a period of time where I was like wow maybe all of this success is really everybody else like honestly and then the past two and a half years when I actually got the rights back to my voice and I started my record label and I went on this tour and literally I've designed everything like I woven the songs together and I have like cried with my albums like it has been a spiritual process putting together the show that I'm currently touring and to be able to look out and be like no wait maybe maybe it was me it was you but I didn't know it until literally the past I don't know two years and it took me getting that freedom and sovereignty for me to give myself any amount of credit yeah which is just my journey if I don't know if that's just being an artist in the world or being a woman in the world or what it is but I always kind of gave away the credit to other people wow that makes sense because so much of so much of your work has been like extracted by other people totally I'm exploited yeah and that experience has made me so strong though and once I got my freedom which like the process of like being an artist at a very young age signing for those who don't know like I signed a deal 18 and then I got the rights to my voice and IP to myself on March 6th 2024 for the first time in my adult life but that experience has actually made me so strong so much appreciation and protection for myself so but it took a lot of like healing to get to this point where I'm actually quite grateful to know how strong I am yeah like what is like what is um it mean for you emotionally I guess like that you have the rights to everything like like like what does that mean emotionally for you to like look back on like the like the first few albums well it was it's such a it's like confusing a little bit yeah because I didn't have the rights to something that comes from inside of my body yeah it's like how we as humans express ourselves yeah touch it you can't really yeah very odd yeah and growing up being so spiritual it's just always a kind of mess with my head the spiritual side of it like it didn't make sense to not have the rights to oneself right so I think it's looking back I have so much love for my younger self like I see pictures of myself with like oh my god some of these outfit choices some of the outfit we love that girl oh my god she was a mate like she was so fearless yes she was so fearless people tell me stories about the way like my friend Bob Ezren who is a producer that worked on Pink Floyd the wall iconic album he came to my show a couple nights ago and he's like do you remember when he was doing a panel with Lou Reed I also I caught and somebody heckled him and apparently I stood up and said get the fuck out of here yes yes and I was like damn and I was like 20 yeah it's so country so contest 30-year-old you probably head is because you know there's an awareness of what might come as a result, but we hope to be the person that can just stand up and speak truth to power. And you've had this insane experience where it's not just you going through it, but then it becomes like a true movement. And that is it's really empowering, but it's also I would imagine a little bit dysmorphic because you're like, how did it become this to begin with, which makes every emotion very confusing? Well, I think that speaking back to like we all reflect each other's experiences and as an artist and as a woman, I don't think that I'm alone in what I've experienced. And I'm sorry that others have experienced the negative things that I can relate to. Like that doesn't make me feel good, but we have each other and that's what gives us all courage is when people can stand up and say, like, I'm not alone, you're not alone. And that's what actually produces social change is enough people getting fed up with the way a system is working. Yeah. So, but I look back at my younger self and I'm like, what about us? Like I could not listen to the album Warrior for a long time. And are you back to listening to it now? I'm like obsessed with my stuff. Oh my god. Oh my god. Why? Wherever you are, bitch. And like just like some of those songs like Warrior, I'm singing about the same shit I talk about every night in my show. I'm like, why was I so scared to listen to this girl was just like young and going through shit and being a badass and standing up for her community. Yeah. And she's been doing it the whole damn time. Like, what are you so scared of? It's crazy kids on Warrior. That one too. Yeah. I had to like, I had to do healing work with her. There were emotions that would come up when I would listen to certain songs. Yeah. Because of my own personal experience. Right. Sure. And so then I couldn't really face them publicly because it felt really weird to like play a song. It just hurt. Yeah. Yeah. But the way you circumvented, and it wasn't even circumvented, I think you were very direct about it in the way that you could have been. But like with gag order, it's like. Yeah. That's genius. I hope you understand that. Like you were singing about the thing that you weren't allowed to sing about, but you made it the whole theme of the album. Like it's like, I don't think any artist has really had to like think of it. Or has been able to like really be so declarative and mature about like, I hope you love that girl too. Oh my god. She. Yeah. She is amazing. Oh my god. That was so like a meta and like quite frankly very. It was a weird time. Yeah. Making an album about a thing I couldn't talk about while getting ready to go deal with that on a world stage. Like it was so. Yeah. Almost meta. Yes. And it felt so beautiful to have this collaborator. Yeah. Fucking Rick Rubin. Yeah. Oh my god. To be like, like Jedi, I'm going to go into this with you. No. What a beautiful time. And that performed so badly. That album performed on the charts so poorly that it led to my freedom. Yeah. Tell me what that spiritual arc of the story is. Like you never know what your failures actually, what like the universe is doing for you. Yeah. You really don't know what your story is doing for you. Like at the time, I was like, that's so interesting. Like every album I'd put up before that. I'd been like a top 10. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then this came out and I was like, Oh, damn. Like I didn't think everyone would like it as much as TikTok, but like really big difference. Yeah. But I always loved the album and I loved the process of making it. Which makes it worth it. Oh, I was like, if people don't get it. They're wrong. Quite frankly. Or that's why I'm like, it's so good. Yeah. But like it's different with like Rainbow though, because that was also similarly like you were saying about the thing that you couldn't sing about. But it was performing well. And I fucking love that. I loved that one too. She was just like, she was like a little rainbow. Yeah. Don't let the bastards get. Don't let the bastards get you down. Just like with the Rick Rubin of it all, I feel like a lot of artists have talked about finding new parts of their voice with him. Like Adele has talked about like when she worked with him on, um, 30. Yeah. No, no, no, on 21, even way way back. No, she could hit the notes and not so far to the right, rolling in the deep. And all of a sudden, like his encouragement, just like talking about, did he do praying? No, that was um, Ryan Lewis. Yeah. Ryan Lewis. He, wow. He maybe did go ahead finish your story. Well, I'm just saying like, I just you, because you were sort of synonymous with a very pop sound. And like the, the sing talking that you were doing. But then to hear you really sing and use your voice, I was just wondering because you always were. But then suddenly there was that moment in praying where there's that cathartic scream, like that primal note that you were doing, which I think got you that Grammy nomination, which had to feel good to finally get like, that from them. Totally. But just discovering and like traversing everything you had to go through and finding you like so much more in your vocal, I wonder about that process. Well, that was, and I do think everything is like not to sound too much like a hippie, but everything is energy. And, and when you, I'll speak for myself, when I was coming from a place that was not really encouraging me to be in my power and to take credit for my wins. And then to be in a room with Ryan Lewis, who was like, you're amazing. You can hit the note. You can do it. What that did for my vocal range, I think it jumped like two octaves with just what being around the right kind of person. Wow, that's really interesting. And I've taken that on with the rest of my life, since that moment, that changed my life because very lovingly, I will not be around people that try to bring me down, that try to feed negativity. Like I have to be around people that want to like love and support each other and see each other win. I think who we surround ourselves with is really important. Everything. And should like be giving you love and like really wanting to see you win. It's really important. And I learned that from that session. Wow. It felt like everyone who loves you and following you, we all had an experience when you release that. Me too. It did feel very spiritual. It felt it was so spiritual. And the song being called praying. Like I'm sure that was an intentional thing. It was like, we're going to release it in this moment. And the best to seeing when when we see you live, like people doing their version of it. Oh my god. You should see the videos on my story right now. Last night, they were so loud. Like you can't even hear me singing. I think it's very cathartic for a lot of people. It is. Come to my show, which like it's such an intense moment. Yeah. It's really fun. Well, everyone is speaking to the person that that that felt like the weight in their life. Like everyone is speaking to that person, whether it's like an X or a R&X boss or like a current situation. Like I feel like that song does give permission. I would say that's like a top three catch the song for me. Yeah. Absolutely. Like it's just it just because of and now even more so now that you say that. It was a really special time because I remember always thinking I can't do much, but I can sing. And then after my first album came out and I like people were just saying I couldn't actually sing. And I was like, wait, wait, wait, I was just using we're just having fun. I can't actually sing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then praying was I feel like the first time that people were like, oh, damn. Yeah, she can sing a little bit. Yes. Well, and the singing thing is like as the one who can't really sing that well, don't do that. I'm like, I think it's overrated now. But I think with you, I think with you. So Nana used to be in this musical sketch group, which is yes, exactly. Perfect timing. Perfect timing. We could use some of that back then. We could use comes of yes. I mean, you could hear that drop and smaller. But I, but like, so with it's all these comedy songs and whatever, we're doing it. And then we had this concert at Union Hall. It's like, timing. Wonderful, small venue and park slope. But we were like, let's just sing like one song for real. And like, let's just sing the shit out of it. Yeah. There was nine of us just nine of a big group. I love that. And we all were like, you know what? Like, you know what is a great song that like maps lyrically onto this thing that is basically built like a sketch is your love is my drug. Just ever just lyrically. Every line, every line is genius. I used to teach. I used to teach musical comedy writing sketch comedy writing. And because actually sketch comedy and pop music really walk hand in hand. And in order to show like a perfect pop song, I would show, we would listen to your love is my drug. And we would talk about how it, how it maps. And just like, you know, the first verse you're introducing and exploring an idea and the chorus will land the game. And then this second verse, like explores that idea further. You will end the game harder. And it's just like, it was like, again, formative. And we had so much fun singing it. Nine people breaking up different parts of the song. - Oh my gosh, is there a video of this? 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It's like if you can hide some real messages inside compelling characters and that is a Trojan horse, whether you're looking for literary deep dives, smart pop culture conversations, or a community of readers who love to think a little too much, you're in the right place. Listen to Pro's Society on the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. - When I was 14 years old, I was kidnapped and held captive for nine months. I survived and I've spent my life exploring how other people survive what should have destroyed them. I'm Elizabeth Smart and these are the survivor files. - I just remember this low-taunting voice next to my ear saying, shut up, don't say anything. - Every week, I'm with survivors who live through the unthinkable. I knew if he woke up, without a doubt, he was going to hurt me. - I started feeling that there was someone at the end of my bed and I just started screaming. - They are abducted, stalked, controlled, and nearly silenced, but these aren't stories about what's taken from them. Their stories about what it takes to make it out alive, listen to the survivor files with the Elizabeth Smart on the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. - Hey, this is Hayes Davenport. - And Sean Clements. - We host the podcast Hollywood Handbook on the Big Money Players Network. - Our show is extremely accessible to first-time listeners. - We've had a lot of great guests like Sarah Sherman, not that great. - Actually, can you help me shape this? - Yeah. - How about we flip it on his head? - No. - How about we flip this around? - No. - That's the surprise one, man. Who actually you think is the straight man is actually the one who's acting weird. - Adam Scott, love. - This entire time you've been expecting Adam Sandler to come to visit the show. - I would never let go of that. - I have, I would never set expectations for something like that. - It sounds like if the universe allows for something like that to happen. - I am open to it. - I'm always going to accept, you know. - Danny McBride, fine. - Yeah, it's all this fragile masculinity, exuding. I was like, I was like, I was like, is that what you need? - Nope, it's fragile masculinity. Ben stiller, no. - I think there's a lot of times out of context, people don't get it or even know what a circle is. Like you're like, oh, it's a stupid crap. - Everyone's so dumb. - And fake. - Right, fake and also not interested or just like, oh, I've got my life. I don't care about your life. - And a lot of other big shots that wouldn't be where they are without us. - Oh, and by the way, Will Ferrell told us personally he loves the show and he wants to be a guest on every episode, but he's just so busy. Listen to Hollywood Handbook on the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. - On the new podcast, Solita, we share the messy reality of traveling alone as a woman. - I can wait four hours for the next bus or this random dude is offering me a ride on his motorcycle. I choose Option B. I'm Julie Piñero and I travel by myself because it's a rare space where I can say yes without asking anyone else first. - Every time I tried to be alone, I kept meeting people and they were like, you smiled at us, not a lot of people smile around here. - It's when you're alone that you're most receptive to the world as it is and not the lies you're sold about it. It can be a time where you push your limits, change your mind or wake up to a new version of yourself. So whether you're a solo travel veteran or you're too nervous to book your first trip, I hope you listen to Solita on the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. - Well, speaking of this is me, let's hear it. This is you. We have to ask you the question, Kesha. The central question of our podcast, which is what was the culture that made you say culture is for me? This is formative pop culture in any dimension that you can think of that you think looking back, that's when Kesha became Kesha. - Okay, it's a couple things, aren't I, right? - Yes, that's great. - So getting ready for school, I remember seeing the video for drop it like it's hot. And hearing that sound and I was like, you can just, that could be my job. - Yeah. - It is making noises with my mouth, that are like the sillier the better. - Yeah. - And then like joy ride, it's like, you know, you know what I'm saying? - Whoa, whoa, whoa. I literally took this to heart where I'm like, I can just make silly sounds. - Yeah. - And it can be iconic. (laughing) And I live my best life. And then I also remember the first time I heard Will Smith, and I was like, I thought, well, I thought I was gay and then I was like, wait a minute. (laughing) - He was everything. - What's wrong? - What's wrong? - I couldn't do it with that. - I couldn't do it with it was, and welcome to Miami and Benito, Miami. - He really didn't have bumps. - It was really good. - Never forget, just to two of us. - We can make it. - Yeah, that was. - I was like, oh yeah, you can like take an old song and make it your, I was like, yeah. - He really. - He really didn't say bad words. - Yeah. (laughing) - Would you try again? - But did that matter though when you were a kid who's, you know, you know, I guess not sheltered, but you had a religious. - Oh, I was, I was like, I was, she was trying it all. - Yeah. - It's my last life, just think about that. - Right. - I was just like, blast off in all directions. - Yeah. - But I don't know, he was like part of my awakening. - Yes. - Sexually. - Yeah, he was hot. (laughing) - I was like, well, well, West, I feel like I did stop the tape. - Oh my God, I need to circle back to that. - This is back in the day when anytime a man was in a movie, like, I remember Rosie O'Donnell would ask the question, she would have men on her show and it's just so funny now, but Mark Wahlberg came in and they didn't interview, and I'll never forget the last question she asked before they went to break was, she goes, is there any honey shot? - Honey shot. - Oh. - And then he goes, little honey shot. She goes, there you go, there's a honey shot. And it was just like, Pro-C. - I'm like a honey shot, what? - She was balancing the scales like back then. It was like-- - She did it well. - The women were asked about their tits and the men were, should have been asked about it. - Yeah, so she was like, you know, we're gonna ask about the men's butts. - Markey Mark. - Wait, was he the one with the dick in Buggie Nights? - Yes. - Yes, prosthetic dick. - Was it? - Yeah. - No, it sure. - No, it sure. - It was huge. - Oh, it was amazing. - If it was that big, we would have known from them from the Calvin Klein ads. - The Calvin Klein ads, for sure. - What? We wouldn't know if he had an icon to do in the Calvin Klein ads that were famous and then Boogie Nights, that thing, unfurled, no. - Well, it was. - Formative pop culture moment, you're asking, well. - He's got it too. - Oh my God. - This one affected all that. - That's what I know, yeah, clearly. - Wait, but I love the take away from droppin' like it's hot is it can be silly. - I actually think, go with me here. - Yes. - But vibrating at silly goose level is like, takes feeling very safe and to feel very safe as a woman or a queer person in this world, like you really have to cultivate a community and a safe container. - Yes, a cruise, if you will. - Yes, a cruise, a songwriting room. - Yeah, it takes a cruise. - It takes a cruise. - A Kesha cruise. - We're gonna have to bring it back after this. - I know, I want to go, man, it's gonna be high. But you're making a profound point. - No, but basically, to really get into your silly goose bullshit, you have to feel safe and comfy and like, you can't be really scared and stressed. - Yeah. - So when I get the sillier I get, that means the safer I feel. And I have noticed, historically, that's the energy that my fans react to the most. So the sillier I'm feeling, it's like the happier my fans are, but also the happier and safer I am, there's something magical in this. - Yeah. - So I try to notice who I feel silly around. - Silly goose is a contagion. As a contagion is safe gander is intelligent, is smart gander. - Yes. - You know what I mean? - I call it the Gospel of the Goose. - The Gospel of the Goose is the title of this episode of Gospel of the Goose. - I live for that. - The Gospel of the Goose. And that, now we have a supermarket. We have a cruise part two, and we have an animated show. - Gospel of the Goose. - Let's do it. - Are we in business together now? - It's in development now. - I'm not kidding. - Let's take it the fuck out. - Let's go. - It's a great time for the business. Everyone's like, (laughing) - It's gonna be an easy sell. - Maybe it would. - It might be. - Who wouldn't buy it? - I don't know. - We also heard, we also heard before you came in that you're a Beastie voice fan. - Oh, like that was another pop culture moment for me? - Yes. - That reason. - I was like, I know, because I was like, I could be a silly fucking goose. - Yes. - And I'm, yeah, I'm gonna do that. - I feel like your DNA is fight for your right. - Honestly, you're a hundred percent right? - I don't know, yes. - And the fact that I got to work with Rick Rubin, I was like, just last lifetime goals. - What were his, like, what were the, you said he was like a Jedi master. Like, what was he imparting? Like, what were the-- - I think it was to make great art. I feel like you have to be honest. And I was going through what I was going through at the time, which was a litigation, which was not fun. And I really wanted, 'cause my favorite thing in the world is to make people happy. Literally, it's like, I want to vibrate at my highest level because I know it makes my fans happy. Like, it's this beautiful relationship where literally they're the love of my life. I do really like everything for them. So, I really, I really wanted to just be so happy and pretend like I was feeling wonderful and everything was great. During a very long, almost decade-long litigation, and I remember I made praying and rainbow, and it would look like one Twitter comment. It was like, I want fun girl back. And I was like, trust me, so do I. Like, I really do. And so, I really tried to be that, but it wasn't maybe my most authentic vibration in that time, even though I wanted it to be. It just wasn't really available. And he can't enter the chat in a way that was like, it's all right, you don't have to perform. Like, you don't have to try to sing. You can just sing. You don't have to try to be just be honest. And it felt very much like having somebody walk into the dark corners of your mind with you, so you don't have to go by yourself. And it felt really beautiful to look at things that were really hot. Like, some of those lyrics are gnarly on gag order. By the way, I changed the title of that album to eat acid. Yes, that's right, that's right. Which I changed the title because in a lot of my healing work, I've realized that only now looking back, did I realize that album in that time, it was such an alchemizing moment in my life for my spirituality, for the direction of where my life was gonna go and for the person I was gonna become. And so from this very, very difficult time, it actually was like God's greatest psychedelic. And I have so much gratitude and appreciation for this difficult thing because I lived through it. And now I can hopefully help other people. Yeah, am I shows or I teach songwriting to veterans and kids. Oh wow, that's amazing. Yeah, 'cause I really think that having somebody to hold hands with and look at the dark corners of your mind, like that's what I wanna do with the rest of my life. That's really beautiful to know so many elements of your purpose. You know, like to know that I'm a joy-bringer and to know that I wanna help people bring out the things that they are not facing. Well, yeah, because when you have somebody to look at it with you, you kind of realize like, oh wait, I'm safe now. Mm-hmm. And I can make a piece of art out of that. Like think about praying. Yeah. Yeah. It is the craziest, I've chosen about last night. I'm dressed up in a full gold warrior outfit that is designed to, like it's inspired by the interior of St. Peter's Basilica and Nevada Kim. Michelangelo, right? And I come out on stage with this like backpack strapped to my head and these very country glasses. I look so cool. And everyone is screaming praying 10,000 people if not more. More. And like that all came from one day I walked in and I was like, I'm going through a really hard thing. And I don't know how to deal with it. And my friend, Ryan Lewis, like you can sing that high note and we're going to play around for a couple of hours and like love you, believe in you. So so much can come from just having somebody be kind to you and like, you're like, I'm going to look at, I'm going to look at some stuff with you. That might be really hard for you, but I'm going to do it with you. Like that's so powerful. And it can turn into, God only knows what that can turn into. Yeah. But for me, it turned into I could process with my community what I was dealing with that I otherwise, I don't know what I would have done if I couldn't make art out of what I was going through. That was a really hard time. Yeah, that's brutal, especially when it feels like there's also that part of you I would imagine that's like, not wanting to necessarily have more and more success. But it's like, once you know what you're capable of and how many people you can reach to have that limited must be, I mean, frustrating probably isn't even the word. It's like, you know you have a communal relationship here and to be cut off from that must feel. It's again, it's just like a broad block to your mission. Yeah, and I just want to, I just like kind of feel like I'm meant to be of like, fucking silly goose service. Yeah, silly goose service. That's what pop, curious what you're like. You love pop. We love. You love pop. What's your favorite pop song all time? All time? Yeah. Oh my god, that's so hard. I'm going to say, I'm like up there. Does that do you have all time? Yeah, yeah. I'm going to say dancing on my own by Robin is a generational moment. I would say bad romance is a generational moment. Oh my god. For me, it was just like, I just loved these big, cathartic courses. Is he like, discreame? I love discreame. And especially in my 1995 Jeep Grand Cherokee La Rada when I was in high school, like letting it rip because there was something so cathartic about pop, what about for you? Um, all for you by Janet Jackson. Uh, soda pop. Piper East. Whoa, soda pop. These are like, my thing is like effervescent. Wow, yeah. Like, carbonate, like literally carbonated. It's not like, all for you is so like, it's just, it's like, it's bright and light. Yeah, okay. I like, so see you more clearly now, but I know that's your song. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And I see you too. Well, you know, I think we kind of present to differently than what's our favorite thing. I don't present like, I don't present you. I don't present you. And he is, he is very much deeper than people. I'm secretly released. I just love to sit in the room and go to the dark world. My friends make fun of me. They're like, oh, Matt's going to listen to Ballads now. It's just like, I will bring the room down. Like when I met, when I met karaoke, I'll do foolish games by jewel. [BLANK_AUDIO] - Wow. - Yeah, that's who I am. - Oh, you have that moody. - So I just like, I like big emotion and I love like sad pop, sad big pop. - Sad big pop. - Yeah. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, like. - And I find chandelier. - Love chandelier. - Yeah, that's like one of my favorites. - And I think my favorite of is a live bike, see ya. - Oh my God. - Oh my God. - That one, I was like, that song was so, and then she goes, oh my God, it's like crazy. I love someone just pushing it. - Screaming. - Screaming. So you're asking us if we're pop people because it's like, how do we always do this? - I wanted to like see how you sparkle. - What are yours? - You sparkle. (laughing) - You sparkle now. - I can hear me, here's like you. I tell the whole wide world, but the inside of me sounds like. - Yeah, you're right, you're right. I will say, the first time I heard TikTok, I was the first time I heard it. I was like, wow, that's like, that's like a very different, I was like a little confused second time I heard it. I was like, oh, that's forever. I was like, the first time I heard it, I was like, I have to wrap my head around that one. And then suddenly I was just like, this is a movement, not a moment. (laughing) Can I ask? - Can I ask? - But like, I've always linked to you and peaches together. - I love peaches. - We love peaches. - I love peaches. - She's the best. - Like I feel like peaches and BC boys makes total sense to me for you. - Totally, totally. Just like, it's, I'm not gonna give a fuck, 'cause both you and peaches can fucking sing. Peaches doesn't really sing as much as we would like her to. - Peaches, we think the way we were on Miss Podcast. - Okay. - Sorry, go ahead, yeah. - Literally, she sang the way we were. - I'll stop. - So we went out to Berlin to do a show in Berlin and Peaches was our guest. And we were like. - She's so cool. - Yeah, and we were just talking about like, you know, vocals we don't usually hear from her. And she fully started singing. - The way we Barbara. - Barbara. - And we were like, do this. - It was really great. - Oh my God, I used to go out to, so like, before a TikTok. - Yes. - I used to go out to Papi and Harriet's with like the homies. And do you know in Joshua Tree, do you know this dive bar? Okay, this is where I did my first photo shoot for the cover of Animal, was at this dive bar in the middle of the desert in Joshua Tree. It's like a biker bar. And it's like where I first ate mushrooms. I saw spaceships, like a lot has happened at this place. It's amazing. There's a picture of me like on a motorcycle with the glitter on the face. It's like the first photo shoot I ever did for the cover, it was like there. What's the point of the story? - Peaches or-- - Peaches. Yes, okay. And there's like this whole crew of like very cool, very punk rock people that would always go out. And like there were mushrooms happening, you know. It was a vibe. - We know it's in the desert. - It was in the desert. It was like a little trashy. It was a little dangerous. It was kind of crazy. But I grew up like in the same circles as Peaches. And I just always totally looked up to her 'cause she's so cool. And I actually, I don't know if you all know this, but I was like a real life punk rocker. - Oh. - Like I've stuck it tattooed in my lip. - Stop. - Is it still there? - Wow. - You're-- - That is clear as day. - Oh, I love that. - Let's twist. - Yeah, look, I didn't look in a hot minute. - Yeah. - Okay. - It's still there. - Well, I love that. But like, so the video for TikTok was filmed at this house. It was like right down the street from my house, my friend Jules was like, I'll walk you home with my knife out to make sure you get home safe. - So sweet. - The TikTok video was shot actually at his house called The Drunk Tank. And that's where like in the bridge of the TikTok video, if you watch, and I'm like in this shirt and I'm like singing and you know, you build me, be break me down. And there's like glitter being thrown. That was The Drunk Tank. - Wow. - And so this whole scene was like also very Peaches scene adjacent. - Yes, yes, punk. - It was like truly. - Yeah. - Like you would sleep in a sleeping bag and find like dead animals at the bottom the next day. Like it was gross. - Jesus. - Like it was disgusting. It was very real. - What kind of animals? - Well, a dirty tampon. - Oh, sure. Stop, that's, they came alive. - I like it was a wild time. 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Well, actually, you think is the straight man is actually the one who's acting weird. - Adam Scott, this entire time, you've been expecting Adam Sandler to come to visit the show. - I would never set expectations for something like that. - It's like if the universe allows for something like that to happen. - I am open to it. I'm always going to accept, you know? Danny McBride, fine. - Yeah, it's all this fragile masculinity exuding. I was like, "Is that what you need?" Nope, it's fragile masculinity. Ben Stiller, no. Like you're like, "Oh, it's just so stupid." - Everyone's so dumb. - And fake. - Right, fake and also not interested, or just like, "Oh, I've got my life. I don't care about your life." - And a lot of other big shots that wouldn't be where they are without us. - Oh, and by the way, Will Ferrell told us personally he loves the show, and he wants to be a guest on every episode, but he's just so busy. 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This is Pro's Society, the weekly podcast that's part book club, part group chat for thought daughters, pop culture obsessives, and anyone who thinks pride and prejudice and love island deserve the same level of discourse. I'm Eli Rallo, and every week, we're connecting the dots between books, the internet, and the conversations everyone can't stop having. - I'm going to have to look up this story. I'm obsessed, I'm obsessed. - From bestselling authors and your favorite book talk creators to the latest pop culture moments, nothing is off the table. It's like if you can hide some real messages inside compelling characters, and that is a Trojan horse. - Whether you're looking for literary deep dives, smart pop culture conversations, or a community of readers who love to think a little too much, you're in the right place. Listen to Pro Society on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. I choose option B. I'm Julie Beniero and I travel by myself because it's a rare space where I can say yes without asking anyone else first. Every time I try to be alone, I kept meeting people and they were like, "You smiled at us, not a lot of people smile around here." It's when you're alone that you're most receptive to the world as it is and not the lies you're sold about it. So whether you're a solo travel veteran or you're too nervous to book your first trip, I hope you listen to Solita on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. -Anyways. -Yeah, have you done acid a bunch? -No, I've never done acid. -Never? -Never. -You've got to eat the acid. -I actually don't. -You've been through it. -I feel like I'm going to ask it all the time in the session. -You've done it for you already. -The whole point of that album is my mom said "don't eat acid" and I said, "Okay, I won't." -I literally don't eat it. -Don't eat it. -I feel like I am a walking psychedelic trip, as is. -Yeah. -This is actually perfect because we have friends who have been the shop around during our trips and they're on our wavelength already. -They're like, right, she's like, "I'm tripping the entire time, our friend Mo." -I'm going to tell the story. -We went up state to take acid for the first time we rented a house. -Okay. -It was like, where was it? It was outside the Hudson Valley. -That's outside the Hudson Valley. -We go there and it's like me, Bo, two of our other friends and that we're going to take it and then one who's just going to watch our friend Mo. -Okay. -We take the acid. -I have my break through about half an hour in, I don't know, maybe it just runs through my body. -We're all drawing crazy ass pictures. I draw a fish woman and I turned around and I said, "She's a work in progress like me." -I guess we went out to the tree. Do you remember this? -We were sitting under this tree, we're all sitting there, we're all connecting. -We had just had to cry and break through with each other. -Early in the trip. -We're sitting there and then Mo goes, "Okay, everyone, I just want to point something out and we're not going to panic." -There is a brown rec loose. -There's a brown rec loose right there next to us. -What we're going to do is it should go, "I don't want anyone to panic, but it is the most poisonous spider in North America." -What we're going to do is we're going to thank the spider. -We're so dropped in that we're like- -She's sober as a bell. -We're sitting there and we're like, "Okay, we're not going to panic. We're not." -We sit down and we thank the spider. -Thank you so much for sparing us and for everything you're doing for the ecosystem. -For being here, you are a gorgeous being. -Walk up, go over. I think we fought with big sticks. -Yes. -Hours later, the trip ends. Someone pulls out their phone, finally. Google's it. -Not a brown rec. -Not a brown rec. -Not to the area. -Not poisonous. -Not poisonous. -Not poisonous. -It was a dog. -It was our friend. -It was our friend. -But it was just so funny because the person that wasn't on it was having the most profound mind-splitting happening. -You don't even curious as to what you would be like. -What do you think you would discover? -I think I already know. -Yeah, you know. -I get it. -I got it. -Like, dead ass. -Yeah. -I want to just relax. -I want foot massages. Someone take me to the amon. -I'll take you. -I'll take you. -Let's go. -I told the story yesterday. I tripped at the amon. -Stop! -Which amon! -I'm anyara. -Which one's that one? -Tristan Kekos. -Shut the fuck up. -I tripped on the beach. -I do need to hang out with you guys more. -Oh, baby, sit you. -Baby, sit us. -I tripped on acid on the beach. I kept ordering full-size pizzas. -I ate them. -Yeah. -I don't want acid tripped. -I'm not there for there's pizza. -I'm like, fuck me. -It was heaven. -This sounds, honestly, this sounds like the life. -It was the life. -So anyway, get ready for it. -No, have the cruise go there. -To the amon. -To the amon. -We're taking a cruise to the amon yara. -Yeah. -So it's gonna be expensive. -Tickets are a little pricey. -Tickets are a little pricey, but you know. -When you walked on the boat, there was someone dressed as a narwhal. -That's my real life. -Is narwhal your favorite animal? -I love them. -I didn't see it was all I knew. -Oh, wow. -Really good. -What about them? They're majesty. -Do you know that's a tooth coming out of their face? -Yes, I did know that. -Do you know that I collect teeth? -You do? -I do. Send them over. -No. -No. -I don't know. -I don't know. -I don't know. -Now you're really getting letters. What's the teeth about? -Well, the teeth started when I became obsessed with my fans. And then someone was like, my child lost their teeth. And I was like, can I have them? Because I want to make jewelry out of it. And so then I made a necklace and earring and then a belt and then a crown. -Yeah, a crown. -Oh, the crown's wild. -And then I just started collecting them because it kind of freaks out straight, man. -Yeah. -Anything to keep them away. -Oh, my God. -It's an emotion door. -My vampires. -It's like garlic. -I'm like, so I collect human teeth. -What do you think? -But so, yeah. And I just started putting it in my like, yeah, all over my home. -Yeah. -Just in a little. -A little jar. -A little jar. -Yeah, yeah, yeah. -Yeah. -Because it's crazy because they are bone. -Well, and where are they? You flush them down the toilet. -What? Like, where are they going? -I don't have a question about that. Where do parents put the teeth? -Give them to me. -Anyone here? -Give them to Cassandra. -Give them to me. -She keeps them. -She keeps them. Okay, so they're doing the whole room. -You do? -Everybody is like, I know exactly where my teeth are. -Can I have your teeth, please? Can I actually have them? It's not a drill and it's not a joke. -She needs to make a start. -Yeah. -If everyone brings in their teeth. -She's a pop star and she needs your teeth. That's a real culture number eight. -The pop star and she needs your teeth. If you all want to bring in your teeth, we can put them in and envelope or something and send them off. You all bring your own stamps. Because I ain't going to get stamps. -No. -They might be heavy. -The tea. -Okay, I think we have to do, I don't think so, honey. -We have to do, I don't think so, honey. -It's time to transition into our classic iconic segment where we take a minute to sort of go off on something that's bugging us and we're going to go first. -It's bugging us. -Then you'll go, "I have something." We're recording this the two days after we were at the Tony Awards and I have a realization about someone who was there but not featured prominently enough. -Wow. -Oh, this will be exciting. This is Matt Rogers. I don't think Tony's time starts now. -I don't think so, honey. No Rosie O'Donnell coming out at the Tony's. -You're right, oh my god. -I feel like Rosie O'Donnell was at the Tony's. It wouldn't have been an amazing moment. She now lives in Scotland. She doesn't come to America. -Irland. -Get Irland. -Yeah, yeah. Same. Rosie O'Donnell on stage when you can because she was right about everything from the beginning and we've done Rosie so dirty and it's just a countless story of the way we treat women. But Rosie O'Donnell was a legend and an icon always and I feel like we were robbed of a moment where she comes out. Obviously, whoever presented Best Musical, great. But Rosie O'Donnell was the theater queen. She did so much for Broadway theater when she had a show. She even had off-off Broadway shows come and perform on the Rosie O'Donnell show. And I just feel like she was in the building and it was either that she wasn't asked to present or maybe she didn't want to. I would say if she wasn't asked, shame. And if she didn't want to, Rosie, I just would have loved to have seen it. But I want you to make your own decisions. And my decision here today is to say, I don't think so, honey. There was not enough Rosie O'Donnell at the Tony Awards and she was in the building. -And that's what I mean. I think she would have done it because she was doing the carpet. -I'm just saying. -I'm just saying, why wasn't Rosie on Scrawn Stage? -That is so, you're so right. -And I was a Rosie O'Donnell kid. -I mean, love, but I was playing a show that night so I missed the drama. -There was a drama. -It was just that she was fully there and I was like, oh, she must be presenting and that'll be so amazing to see. -Yeah, like give her her moment. -Give her her moment. -Yeah, yeah. -People forget. She was in Greece on Broadway. She was Marty in Greece. -Yeah. -She was rapping to commercials for Kmart. -What? -This woman is an allegor. -She was rapping. -Big K. -She was just like doing it. -That's all I remember. -This before Big K was ketamine. -Oh, you gay guys? -Is Kmart still exists? -No, I don't think so. -That would be a good grocery store to like, hostile takeover. -Kmart. -Yeah. -Oh, my gosh. -Gentage. -Gentage. Hostel Takeover. -Gentage. -Gentage. -You're still a goose thing. -I'm trying. -I'm trying. -I'm so happy about gospel of the goose. -I'm going to use it now. -No, I know. -This is huge. You're recording us. -I love that. Are you part of the cult? -I'm part of it. -We're part of the cult. -We are part of the cult. - I know one thing that's actually that has been bothering me. - All right, let's just get your moment for it. This is Bo and Yang's, I don't think so honey, his time starts now. - I don't think so honey, everyone all of a sudden calling out to what I quote, "vocal fry." No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Someone on TikTok probably taught someone, like people this recently and now everyone's like, on any queer person or woman speaking, they're like, too much vocal fry. It's fine. Actually, when a guy does it, it's like a Thor, it's authoritative, and then when anyone else does it, it feels like it's fucking like, it's just another weird femphobic thing, I feel. And like, I don't know, it's just a tamber. You're not mad about vocal fry. You're just mad that like, there's a way of speaking that's been popularized by people who aren't guys. Like, everyone sounds crazy if you think about it. There's no such thing as a normal voice. We all have crazy voices. Mine's a little nasally. Sure, there's a vocal fry in there somewhere, but ultimately, I kind of speak normal sauce. I feel like I speak normal sauce. Sure, there's a fax in every now and then. But for the most part, I'm talking normal. And that's one minute. I'm just, just clock it next time you like, are doing something like public facing. And we know this all too well with the word like. People who are like, you say like too much. It's the most boring thing to say at this point. And it does feel like, there's a little coated. It's coated and there's literally every other language in the modern world. There are filler words at this point. Like in the yeah. Yeah, right. I missed the drama with the vocal fry. Me too, actually. I think they hated it since, I mean, the dawn of my time in the world of public. Right, but I think there's been a resurgence in vocal fry sort of like, I or in hatred where I'm like, wait, why are we caring about this all of a sudden? Also, it's not a big deal. Is it a real thing? Do we care? I don't think we care. I remember my choir teacher in high school being like, don't talk in a book for I don't like, but why it's fun. I'm choosing to. I feel like I kind of made a career out of talking in vocal fry to be honest. And to career in so many things. Honestly. Right. That's a kick. All right, it's time. OK, I've never done this before. This is Kesha's. I don't think so any of her time starts now. I don't think so, honey. I don't really try to get mad about that much stuff. But I'm going to be really mad about this. I think that women should be able to be angry. Because if you don't like women being angry, then you don't like women being horny. Because I think anger and horniness are literally like two sides of the same energetic coin. So if you have that issue, then like-- 30 seconds. You're also quite scared of our power. And that's a bummer for you that emasculates you. And I do think that also being jealous also means I'm horny. It means I care. Yes. So like a little jealousy never-- you should be so lucky if I feel jealous. Five seconds. Honestly, you're welcome. Yes. The fucking end. Yeah, that's what I've been. Jealousy tells you something about yourself. Absolutely, but you're saying if you're jealous of someone that means you're horny for them? For me? No, if I'm jealous of the person that I'm hooking up with, if they're flirting with somebody else, it's a good thing. Yeah, I mean, do you really like them? It means I care enough to be jealous. And yeah, guys, we're afraid of women being angry. It's like, well, you're not going to see them spread. No, my God. Where do you think the squirting comes from? The red chakra, the red chakra in the red, bitch, yeah. Peer, you're so right. Floor. Hellic floor. Motherfuckers. Damn. Hellic floor of doom. Come see me. I'll show you what's up. Wow, you ate that. Did I? Yes. OK, work. I just went on like a-- I don't know. What-- and what did I even do? You, Rosie O'Donnell. Rosie O'Donnell. Oh, right. I agree with myself two minutes ago. I didn't know she rapped for Gamer. That is very-- She did it all of that. She did it all. She rapped for Gamer. And the only bar I could come up with was big gay. Well, this has been an incredible conversation. I am so happy. Me too. Like, we have been such huge fans of yours when we knew this was happening. It's just one of those moments where, again, super formative for us. And I think so many people that have gotten to know your music over the years we hold such a special place. So we can't wait to see the Freedom Tour. And-- I can't believe I missed it at Joan's Beach. Like, that would have been so fun. My hometown venue. Oh, my God. In the Islander. It was like a wall of humans. It was crazy. It's so great. It's like crazy. You guys have to come for real. Yeah. It's crazy. Stay tuned for the "Cash of Crews," perhaps. The "Kmart," the "Kmart." "Cash of flavored ramen." Oh, my God, wait. There's pop rocks. Oh, my God, wait. Wait, wait, wait, wait. Stop. How did you do this? Oh, my God. Wait, let's shoot him. Oh, my God. Let's shoot him. All right. Because you were over there waving them to me. I thought, were you waving a phone? I'm like, yes, you know, you can get a picture. I'm like, I'm fucking relaxed. I was like, we are the crazy people. Wait, do we-- Wait, how do we-- do we raise to shoot-- No, shoot them. We mix them in the selfieers. Like, what are we doing? All right. Are we going to the face? To the face. To the face. To the face. And what do we do? It's a race. [LAUGHS] This is my first-- This is a mark. This is a mark. That's great. Here's a mark. I'm going to have a rehearsal with a song. We are, we are. [MUSIC - "BUT THE MOST"] I'm so sorry to all the misophonial girlies out there. Deal with that. Bye. Bye. "Loss Culture Eases" is a production by Will Ferrell's big money players in a heart radio podcast. Created and hosted by Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang. Executive produced by Anna Hosniay and produced by Becker Ramos. Edited by Hot Dog Sandwich. And our music is by Henrik Verski. Hey, this is Hayes Davenport. And Sean Clements. Each week, we talk to someone in show business and try to help them with their careers and see what they have to offer us. We've had a lot of great guests like Sarah Sherman, Adam Scott, Danny McBride, Ben Stillert, and a lot of other big shots that wouldn't be where they are without us. I can wait four hours for the next bus or this random dude is offering the ride on his motorcycle. I choose Option B. I'm Julie Bignero and I travel by myself because it's a rare space where I can say yes without asking anyone else first. This is our town. Guess you didn't move in on a bunch of dumb hillbillies now did you? I'm Munga Shategeler and I'm back with a new season of my podcast Skyline Drive. This time I talked to scientists, biopunks, thermogens, blues owners, super seniors, and go as top cryotherapy lab to try to understand this obsession with living forever and what it means for all of us. And I get into a bit of trouble along the way. I'd say probably start bone smashing. That doesn't work. Make you look more defined. They say it works. I don't know. Listen to Skyline Drive, how to live forever on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. This is an iHeart Podcast. Guaranteed Human.