‘The Good Son’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey

The rewatchables is brought to by the ringer podcast network where you can find the big picture with Sean Fennancy. That's right. Whoa. Newsletter writer. Yeah. Projections. Projections. Good. You know, we're in like week seven and I'm like, all right, so just every week we do this, cranking out 2,000 words, you know, you did it for, what, 20 years? It's work. Getting to the habit. Yeah. It's got to keep those fingers moving. Just keep moving. Yeah. All I do is pot. I don't write anymore. You know, I'm following in his footsteps. My fingers are broken. Okay. Yeah. The difference is you'll go on all the pods. Yeah. That's right. You're like, you're like Dominic Dunn in the 90s taking dinner and by it's during the OJ trial. What a table for 10. Did you do? Was it Ben Shapiro this week? We did. Exactly. You did. Okay. We are still in from hell month. You haven't officially been on from hell. No. Happy to be here. Thank you. Yeah. This is a nice follow up for 2001. I think the good son is next. It's the rewatchables presented by Fandoah predicts. You can predict the summer soccer showcase with Fandoah predicts from the opening game to the final whistle. Stay locked in. Sign up now for your $25 bonus on Fandoah predicts. Go to fandoah.com/predicts to sign up offered by Fandoah prediction markets. LLC, a registered futures commission merchant, 18 plus restrictions by C terms at fandoah.com/predicts/bonus-offer-terms. Guys, kids from hell. A staple of the from hell genre. I'm going to give you my top three ever and then we could decide who's in the fourth spot on it. Okay. Kids from hell man. Okay. I made a top 10 list just so you know. I have. Oh, you did? I did. Did you really? I did. Well, why don't you do yours and I'll give you mine. Well, the OGs, Damien Omen. It's all for you, Damien. Yeah. Michael Myers. Uh-huh. Kid. I guess that's funny. I didn't list him. Sure. Sure. This is why you're you. It's because you see the whole, the whole landscape. You're right. You're right. I watched him for 15 years, not staring at the wall, staring through the wall. I would argue it as childhood Michael was relatively dormant though, right? Like he had the one. He killed his sister. He had one bad night. Stabbing. So I have him and I have King Jaffrey as my third one. Oh, we can bring TV in. Okay. Yeah. Jaffrey, like underrated fucking maniac. Kind of. Calling in this movie is kind of the blueprint for Jaffrey, where you're just like, it's just pure malevolence all the way down. So I did a slightly different version of it. Okay. I did. There's something wrong with the kid movies, which is not quite the same as just evil kid. Oh, yeah. But it's, it's in the. They're related. It's in the zone. So what else do you have? Number 10, there's two village of the Dam movies, 60 and then Carpenter remade it in 95. Number nine, recent movie late night with the devil, where a young girl gets possessed on live television. So you count possessions for. I am counting possessions. Okay. Because the kids do exist. Is it tough fun? Well, we'll get there. Number eight is Brightburn. Maybe I know you like. Really like Brightburn. What if Superman was evil, basically? The good son is number seven. Number six is the bad seed, huge inspiration for the good son. I have the Omen at five. I have, we need to talk about Kevin at four. Kevin over Damien. Kevin over Damien. Wow. Number three, Orfin, which is an absolute banger. Number two, the Shining, because Danny at first, we're like, is Danny going to be the problem here? Now there is kind of something wrong with Danny. I don't think I have lines really thought that, but oh, yeah, I'm a, I like what you're talking about. And then number one, of course, is Reagan and the exorcist. I had her as well. Two you left out, children of the corn, Isaac, yep. He wants you to Malachi. Can we do that? Please one day. Can we do children of the corn? I lost it though. It's really bad. It's not that good. But I want it. I just wanted to be like, I am. We're not sure. It has a couple of good scenes, but it's pretty rough. And then the other one I had, which I actually watched in preparation for this podcast, a movie that I somehow missed. That was 92, the year I graduated college. No recollection of this coming out. I don't think it was really released in the theaters that much and then became a cult classic after it's called Mikey. I've never seen this. I was reading Ryan Bonsal, who was the little kid that got added at the end of Family Ties when they made the classic 80s sitcom mistake of, we need to mix things up on the show. Oh, the parents are pregnant again. Mikey's insane. It's on Amazon. Thoroughly enjoyed it. Josie Bissette from Melrose Place and the white guy from Miami Vice, John Deal, one of the backup cops. Yeah. They're both in it. But Mikey, he's like literally a serial killer. So I said like a nine year old. I read that this was one of three movies that were all banned around the same time, including the goods on in England because there was some copycats stuff going on. And they were worried about that with this with the good son here too, where they were just like if people see Culkin breaking bad, this is going to be terrible. I got to say Mikey is a nice little appetizer for the good son. It's like the more ridiculous to be crazy version of it. What do your evil kids take? I mean, I think Kevin is actually pretty high up there for me. It's a very disturbing. It's a very disturbing movie. That's like a really disturbing one. That's like almost more realistic, you know, I mean, that's like a you need a shower after that movie. Yeah. Yeah. The kid who played Kevin, as a matter of fact, to be fucking Kuku for Coco Puss. You could throw just from recently, like you could you could make an argument about the young version of the Zendaya character from the drama. That's funny. Yeah. That's a great one. And you could make the argument that a Lana Heim's character is even worse. Yeah, we don't see her childhood. Yeah. We hear about her childhood. But she sounds almost more sociopathic about it. She does. She does. She does. So you're counting orphan. Well, it does turn out. It's a 35 year old Romanian. And spoilers for 2009's orphan. Come on. 17 years old. That's one of the great twists, though, in recent movie history. The reveal at the end, I was just like, absolutely fucking lootly. It's a massive, massive hit with the Simmons family. As you know, the Simmons family watches all these and the good son is the perfect family movie because it's no one's pushing it, but not really. It's scary, but not totally. It's creepy, but it has an okay and it's like 9% better than a TV movie of the week. And it's that 9% where it flies, you know. So what do you want from an evil kid movie, CR? Do you like the satanic possession angle? Or do you like the. No, I like it to be in the parent's hands of like, what are we going to do about this? Because obviously, like, the instinct, and this movie dramatizes it really well, as the instinct is like, I would give it my life for my kid, and the only thing that matters is my kid. There's nothing that my kid could do that wouldn't make me love it. And this movie asks you, but what if what if that wasn't the case or what if you were pushed to such a far extreme, you had to make a choice? How old's your daughter now? She'll be 5 in July. This is a fun conversation. No, it's not going where I think you're going. So you're going to be around a lot of kids and a lot of parents from this point on. There's going to be the one kid where you're like, hey, huh. Yeah. And if his name is Damien or Kevin, you're already going to be prejudiced against it. There will be, there will be the jokes. Yeah. Believe me, I made them back in the day. I was at a birthday party with Alice in January, and there was a bounce house at the birthday party. I'll just say that there was one kid who was pushing the limits of satism in the bounce house. I'll say, delighting in it's definitely punishing that kid from that moment on that kid's name. Payment. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Payment's a good one. Yeah. Payment's definitely in there. Yeah, because, well, there's two different versions for the parent, right? One is it's your kid and you're constantly trying to convince yourself that the kid's fine, which is what's so great about that Kevin movie, movie that I would not buy on 4K Blu-ray because I don't ever want to see it again. I definitely want it. I wouldn't want to be like, hey, what are we doing today? We need to talk about Kevin again. We got to watch that, but they're all seen. So you have that, but then you have the other version is the someone else has that kid, do we want our kid to interact with that kid, which is a whole other. And this movie kind of introduces that in the plot structure where it's sort of like what if a normal kid, or at least what we think is a normal kid, is introduced into a world where there's something wrong with the other kid. So like we have, it's not through the eyes of the parents, it's through the eyes of another child, which is an uncommon thing in these kinds of movies, usually it's through the eyes of the parents. So I think that's part of what is effective about this movie. Yeah. So pretty much viewed through the POV of the kids, and that's like different than say how we did with Hannah Rocks of Cradle, where it kind of jumps around a lot, you're kind of given insight into like what's going on here there before the characters know it. This is all like, I was, I have a lot of like picking nits about Uncle Wallace, you know, and some stuff like that, but like, all we see of him is what the Mark and Henry characters, and we're really what the Mark character sees, evil Henry played by McColley Cokin in a phenomenal performance. The manipulative stuff is great, everything, all the shit he's doing, he's like, hey mom, Mark wants to, Mark wants to stay in Richard's room, he's like, no, I don't, he's just constantly pushing buttons, figuring out where the limits are, and just trying to quietly. towards for people, but then he's also a fucking maniac. He's the Tiger Woods of gaslighting, like it would have been an incredible run for him. It ended really soon, you know, it ended early. Yes. Yeah. You want to make sense of recall? It was like in the NBA. Well, what would have been his, his 99 US official like what could he have done at college or in the professional works? But I had that written down how I wish he hadn't died and I wanted more stuff for them for the sequels. Like he's running a gambling ring, seventh grade, just where else it could have gone. I'm just saying. I don't hate those for him. I mean, he really, he was reaching for the stars right out of the shoot. He was like, what I will do is I'll murder my brother, like he was, he's, he was building weapons. I mean, it wasn't going to end well for Henry no matter what, but yeah, he had a shed with Mr. Highway that he built his fake, fake dummy that he could throw in a highway. This movie also really taps into something that I think all three of us have talked about a bunch over the years, which is when we were growing up, your parents were just like, all right, we'll see in nine hours, like what did you do with all of this free time when no one was looking after you, which is like not the experience I'm having as a parent. I'm pretty aware where my daughter is at all times. Yeah. But when we were kids, sure, you could just build Mr. Highway man in a shed or the latch key parenting generation. Seriously. Like we need to make sure. It's at the tail end. We know this is. Yeah. This is right. The 90s were when this started to flip around and people started to become a little more sophisticated. Yeah. Yeah. He has this shed where he is Mr. Highway. He has, basically, the F*cking Potenti Gore and the air gun. He has the whole country for old men's gun. Yeah. Call it. I want to see the stuff with my shed. He has a tree house that it's like 50, 50 you're going to fall to your death. Complete death truck. A death truck. Yeah. He's like, no, no, go this way. The scary way. He's given free, free reign to go play on cliff sides in the winter in New England where like they could just get blown off. In a highway overpasses. They're just like hanging out around the highway and on train tracks like the number of places where they go and just like hang out every single space where they go is dangerous. Yeah. It's almost the only thing they're missing is like the subway with the third rail where you get electrocuted. Right. It's kind of like a final destination movie. Yeah. Yeah. You know where they keep putting them. They keep putting the characters and scenarios where like something terrible is about to happen here. Did you know anything about this movie before you watched it? Zero. I assumed Culkin was the good son going into it. Liz and I were like, it has to be Culkin's the good kid, right? They would never, he's a star coming off home alone. There's no way he's going to be bad, but it was a way, but even the way Elijah Wood has a look to him that I thought could be portrayed as sinister. So I was surprised they went the other way, but they were both perfect for it. He does a good job. You love this movie. I can't see any of your eyes. Ridiculous movie. It had, oh, I had one more thing about the from hell all stars who were constructed in perfect family. Sleeping with the enemy guy is the dead Patrick Bergen, yeah. I didn't even mention an every from hell month, I think the director by the way, Joseph Rubin. Joseph Rubin. We're gonna talk about him. I think the mom can't be a from hell. I think you need one person in the from hell movie who's not from hell. The mom who's constantly overlooking the science that's something bad's happening. Oh, yeah. Okay. That's like a Julia Roberts type of actress, whatever. Callie Culkin and Alicia Silverstone as the two kids, I think she's the older sister. The more today's the nanny, of course, Glenn Close is the mistress. And then I think Kathy Bates, Vince Vaughan and Sam Jackson all live next door with Tim Robbins and whoever his wife was in Arlington, they're across straight. Okay. Do some FBI. This is like you're all star team up of all the from hell. There's Arlington Roedin from hell month, no, but I do like that. It is a good one, nothing better than when you guys look at each other talking about a semi obscure movie that nobody cares about and decide you're going to devote a lot of time to it on this show. The movie has Jeff Bridges, Tim Robbins and it's Madeline Stowe in that who's a really good actress in it too. And it's been a long time since is it Mark Pellington, the director, director of the Jeremy video. It's a good movie. It's got nice twist. Zoe and I watched it over at Christmas break and she loved it, but she seems to like all of these movies. Roed from hell. Arlington. Well Roed from hell would also be like you turn or the hitter or duel. Truck from hell. Truck from hell. This movie also had one of the great random endings of all time. Random? Yeah. Sure. It's like, this is whatever. It's a stupid from hell movie. But the choice of the mom holding the two kids over the cliff. It's incredible. I think I got 20 years of column jokes out of this about who do you choose? Jalen or Jason? Hold on the moment of the clip. Jalen, let's go. Dad, give me your other hand. Where are you out on that right now? I dropped Jalen. You did. Yeah. After the twin Jason. Yeah. Just on this day, will Jalen be on the Celtics, the start of next season? So we're taping this on June 4th. Yeah. You think he gets treasure in the draft? I would say 70/30, not on the Celtics. Wow. Yeah. By the time people listen to this, maybe he won't be on the Celtics. But yeah, the good sound analogy. I would have it with you guys. I got CR and Sean. I think we all know him getting dropped. Everybody knows him getting dropped. CR is like Bill. He's launching to a fiery death. Don't give me your other hand. Let me fly, Bill. What's crazy about this, though, is-- Is that indicate? Who did I drown then in that analogy, if I'm the one that gets dropped? Yeah. It was Sean trying to throw a rock on you. No, I pulled both of you up. Thank you. Thank you, Bill. I say both of you guys. They filmed this, though. It's no CGI, because we don't have CGI back then. They have people on those things like harnesses. They're actually dangling. They're all at various points. They're all dangling from harnesses. And at some point, Culkin had to do like a 30-foot drop for the end that they rehearsed it for weeks. They rehearsed all of it. And it's why it looks so cool. Because you're watching, like, how are they doing this? Yeah. And he must have crat landed on one of those big parachute landing spots. And when he cruising's character goes down, and it's clearly a stunt woman, but like, it does not look like she's harnessed anything. No, because she falls on like the outcropping of the trees and rocks. That's so nuts. In general, so Joseph Rubin mentions director. But the way he shoots this, it's really good. I think it's like a really well done movie. I totally agree with you. But like, my whole take on the movie is that it's ironically written by one of the great novelists of our lifetimes. And it's a very trashy. And clearly, like, it was rewritten and kind of stripped down. And it's like not a good script. But it is made with a level of Hollywood craft that is extremely high for such a junky piece of material. Yes. And McEwan, who's, I think, more or less disowned the movie or whatever, even though he got arbitration credit for it, was like, the idea was to do something very low class in a high art way. So it does make sense. The thing that this movie has is just the two kid performances are among the best you can really get some kids. They're fantastic. And they're now, I think, widely acknowledged as like two of the great child stars in the history of movies. It's funny. This whole era and the movies were done. They're all like, basically, it's like going to a diner and having like the best patty melt and the best fries and the best shake. That's what these movies are. They're all really well done with good actors. Like, we did single-way female. And Jennifer Jason Lee's like great in that movie. And it's also really well directed. Then we did "Han That Rocks the Cradle," just Curtis Hanson, a couple years before he does LA Confidential. And Timorna is incredible in that. And this movie, like, this would just be like a fucking lifetime movie 20 years later. But it's like a $20 million movie that had the hottest star under 21 probably of the last 50 years. And it's really good. And he, basically, I was trying to think of any comp. I was hoping you could help me. Of somebody who would have been, like, the America's sweetheart, big, huge movie star, for as rare as it is that it's a child like this, to be like for my next act, I'm going to be Hannibal Lecter in a movie, like, even though I am currently still like, I'm Kevin McAllister. And everybody knows him one day. It was, honestly, a great tag. Yeah. I mean, because it's like, you have a five-year window when you're a kid star. It's not going to last. It's just not. You're going to grow up. You're going to look awkward and people aren't going to stay with you. And they, I thought they did a good job of like re-eventing him. Well, it's such a complicated conversation because, obviously, his father was playing such a big role in kind of charting the path for his career. And this was really important to his dad to mess with the expectations of a Colman Colman like he was-- The Brad Pitt. Glenn Powell or Brad Pitt, where he's like, we got to mix it up. We got to show people that you can play dark. And I'm like, he's eight. What do you do? What do you do? I mean, there are a lot of other examples of like young child stars over the years. Like Mickey Rooney was like this, Elizabeth Taylor was like this, Shirley Temple was like this. They got their starts really early on. And then when they started to get into their teens and their 20s, if they stuck around in Hollywood, that's when they would start darkening their persona and taking on more challenging stuff. And sometimes between the villains to kind of upset your expectations. But like you said, he's 10 years old. I think when he makes this movie or 11 years old. He breaks through an Uncle Buck and he steals every scene. And then Home Alone is a phenomenon in 1989. It's one of the biggest movies of the 1990s, right? And then, does the My Girl thing, which was a big deal, that he dies in My Girl? He's moving for me, I love My Girl. And then the dad who were about to talk about Kit Culkin, he, they wanted to do Home Alone too. And he's like, that's fine. But I want my son to be in the good son. And they're already like ahead of the director. They have the stars. They're already about to make it. and he basically gets-- and the stop production, wait a year for him to finish home alone too. And it was probably the right move, even if he sounds like a psycho. But the next ones after this, we're getting even with Dad with Ted Danson, with two people right after you would have wanted them, like three years after, and then Richie Rich and then it was over. He stopped acting. He was 14. Yeah. One day, the club movie come out. When his party monster's like 10 years later. Yeah. When his 14 gets married at 18 to an actress, Ebert, who hated this movie about as passionately as anything we've covered in 440. A vicious review. Just like, could not have been more upset about how much he hated it. He wrote during this movie, "What were Carlton's parents thinking?" When they pushed him in a movie where he drowns his baby sister, tries to drown his little sister, wants to push his mother off the cliff. If this kid grows up into another one of those pathetic, screwed up, former child stars who were always spilling their guts on the talk shows, a lot of adults will share the blame. It's kind of half what happened. Although he seems like a very well-adjusted, older adult. But would that have happened in McCulloch, and even if he didn't make the good son? I mean, you could just say that being exposed to that level of fame and being involved in the projects that he was involved in before that, to me, the Ebert reading on this is really interesting, because he always gets a little bit caught up in the morality. He had a hard time with slash movies, he has a hard time with juvenile comedy, and he has a hard time with really mean-spirited movies, historically. And he comes down really hard on them, he almost always overlooks the craft. He thinks really about the feeling, which I love about him. But he's so hard on this movie, because all he's thinking about is little kids who love McCulloch and watching McCulloch in the movie. Yeah. I mean, I was too used. Is that a way to look at the movie? It was like his engagement. On the opposite, I'm like, this movie is fucking awesome. Well, I think it now, it's almost easier to look at as a museum piece than probably in the moment. In the moment, I'm sure it was just like, like the kid from home alone is like a multiple time murderer. He was so fast. Yeah. Yeah. But I think it adds like an interesting layer of like twisted psychology to the whole entire movie if you think about the fact that McCulloch and his father wanted him to play Henry. Yes. Like, that's fucked up. I agree. You know, but it does give the movie itself like a little bit of like, Oh, like this is some seasoning. I didn't expect to have this off screen narrative into it. It's a correct point. But when he sat down and watch it, he never thought in a million years McCulloch would be the villain. Yes. I remember seeing the trailer before a movie with the trailer probably started running maybe three, four years because three, four months before we didn't have the same kind of knowledge of what was coming back then as much. And the trailer was really good. And it was like, wait, is he, what's going on here? Yeah. And it was kind of shocking. The trailer is really good. Like they did. He's got the flashlight and it's clear that he's going to be the creepy guy. So there was awareness that it was him the movie now, though. I guess if it was like, if it was an Ariaster movie, it would be it would be as mean spirited. But for the most part, if this was a studio drama now, they would give you at least some indication of why Henry is the way that he is. He would psychologize him. They wouldn't just make a movie about a sociopathic eight year old or there'd be a demonic possession or something. This movie is just this kid is evil. That's it. Is that better or worse, though? I don't think it's better. I don't think it would have been better. I think it's more enjoyable that it's just like, this is evil incarnate. I'm okay with not knowing why he is the way he is and just thinking that he's just a bad terrible. My favorite part of the research was apparently the novelization is just like, he's a sociopath. Nothing bad happened to him. Right. He came out like this. I mean, that was basically what the Kevin movie tried to do too. Kevin was just like, there's just always been something a little off with this kid. Kit Culkin, you know who his sister was? His sister, she's the ice-kate girl. She's the dog. Kit Culkin. His father. Oh, Kit Culkin. Who is his sister? Bonnie Bedelia. Oh, no kidding. No. Yeah. Bonnie Bedelia is there. It's, it's, it's, Bacala Culkin's aunt. Wow. Bonnie Bedelia and presumed innocent and Henry in this movie and we'd be able to get along, I think. He could have been in the house. New York Times wrote a big piece about Kit Culkin in 1993 that I in earth. Did you guys read this? No. No. It's basically about Kit Culkin. Why is this guy so powerful? And it coming, coming off home alone too, which made $373 million. Mr. Culkin was just rated the 48th most powerful person in Hollywood by Premiere magazine. Ahead of Michael Douglas and Eddie Murphy. Earlier this month, he signed an $8 million contract with MGM for getting him and with dad. And then it goes into all the stuff that when he decided I want my son to be in the good son and everyone in Hollywood is like, it doesn't work this way, man. You can't just bully people around and he's like, yeah, it does. If my son's a big enough star and guess what? He's one of the biggest stars in the world and it's going to work this way and you're going to give me this and I'm going to make this amount of money. And apparently it was just a nightmare. There's all these details about fights about everything where the cameras set up for a shot, whereas hair is done properly, scenes rewritten, you just, he was just running the show for two, three years. Yeah. And what happens? As soon as the star starts to fade, Hollywood's like, fuck this guy. Yeah. And that was it. He's changed from everybody now. Yes. I don't think Max talked to him. And his kids don't talk to him. 20 years, yeah. He talked to you. Didn't interview recently. Did he? He was on the Kate and Oliver Hudson sibling revelry podcast. No. Yeah. I don't know. Did we need to add that to the ringer? Kate and Oliver Hudson have a podcast. Apparently. Okay. He said, McCauley said him and his seven living siblings and all of their kids are all estranged from kick-calking and intent and intent to keep it that way. Yeah. I mean, wasn't there also a lot of about the way that the money was managed and who got what? That was also, I feel like, a part of the controversy there. And so they, I think they all resent that in addition to the way that he had it. Well, they had the Rooney role where you're protected somewhat, but I still feel like he could probably grab stuff under the table left and right. The Rooney were like the Mickey Rooney roles. Yeah. Not like the art. Yeah. Because I think he just got completely demolished by his parents, all the money he made. That's what's going to happen to Ben Simmons. Hopefully you guys aren't estranged. Uh-huh. Hopefully you and Ben are not estranged at any point. So far we're doing great. Elijah Wood who really has a nice IMDB and has been in a lot of stuff. One of the great careers. Yes. The war, the ice storm, deep impact, the faculty, but Bill Simmons favorite. Yeah. Three Lord of the Rings movies, Eternal Sunshine, beat out Jake Jalenhoff for Lord of the Rings. Roger Ebert once called them the most talented actor in his age group in Hollywood history. And it's just age beautifully. Like it's really like every five, seven, eight years or whatever when he's kind of like moved into a different period of his life, it's been like in a movie that is like appropriate for that. Like it's, it's just been a real pleasure. We talked about him in the ice storm podcast. Just a really good actor. He's terrific in that movie too. He's great in this movie. Yeah. He's kind of always great. It's weird because he, um, you know, he has one year later, he's in North, just like one of the legendary bombs in the history and he just keeps on trucking. You know, like he's like in ice storm a couple of years later, he's in a movie. He's in the war the year after that, like he didn't, he didn't, he didn't miss a beat. He didn't, it's interesting to kind of map him alongside McCulley Culkin, who seemed like an absolute rocket ship. Like there was nothing that would ever take him down. And like you said, his curve basically stops after Richie Rich and, and, and Elijah would have still gone. Yeah. He's just and ready or not too. Yeah. My guess is Culkin still probably banking stuff off the movies he made. I'm sure there's royalty stuff. And he's slowly been coming back, right? He was in a home alone commercial. I think he's a good interview. I was thinking he would actually be really good on that. He'd be a fun podcast to do. He's really, he's really insightful in the John Candy documentary, um, because he had formed that relationship with John Candy on Uncle Buck and like he explains how John Candy basically made him comfortable on camera and it was cool to see him like reflective in that way. We haven't, we hadn't seen him much. But now it feels like he's almost like ready to make another movie or something. He also dated Mila Kunis her like four years before I had to bring to song now, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And she's kind of now, but she's in that Kate Hudson show. Yeah. Running point. Right now. And she's a ball door. She knows it. She was like her fan. Yeah. Yeah. I think Culkin is incredibly likable now. Yeah. Like every time I've seen him, I'm always like, Hey man, that guy figured the shit out. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. moments over the years. I'm still rooting for him to do the home alone sequel where he's the dead. That's like the all-time no-brainer Netflix movie. I just call it in, give him the $50 million. You watch Happy Goodmore, too. Against my will. You watch it, though. Okay, is that the goal? I guess. Homelone Netflix have the homelone IP. That's good. That's good. That's good to share. There's nothing I like more than teasing Craig about Happy Goodmore, too. No one was more angry about that than he was. You guess what? He watched the whole thing. He consumed it. I love that point. You know what he was? The Netflix? 95 minutes of the content. You're eyeballs to us, buddy. Wendy Cruisen is the mom. Yeah. She's known from this, from three Santa Claus movies, all of which I've missed. I gotta say I missed all the Santa Claus movies. Yeah. The Tim Allen Santa Claus? Never saw a huge house. I love those movies. Huge house. Yeah. Is she the mom in the Santa Claus? Yeah. She's an Air Force one and most importantly in 2,037th birthday. Oh, yeah. One of the great bad movies in the 90s. For years was married to one of my favorite actors, Michael Murphy. - Oh, that guy, yeah. - How about that? - Yeah. We'll get into there are other actresses that were for this part. - Yeah. - I think she's really good for her in this movie, but I also think this would have been a great part for an awesome actress. - She plays this. - You just put Meryl Streep in this movie. - The person who was originally cast in this role, you're like this would have been awesome. - That would have been yeah. - There's a couple like from that age group where you're like, oh, that would have been, she's really rocking a period-appropriate haircut. - Yes. - That like hyper short cut where it was like, a lot of women had that cut at that time, but now that's not something you ever see. - I dated a girl who had that haircut in college. - It was like a three-year run. - The Mary Kay place kind of thing. - Yeah, it was like a three-year run for it, and it just went away. We wanna talk about the writer. - Ian McEwan? - Yeah. - What's your relationship? - Love is novels, atonement, and enduring love, and Amsterdam, this comes relatively early on in his novelist career, and it was obviously like, brought out to come out to the coast. We'll get together and have a few laughs. - It's right, it's like after a comfort of strangers. - I think it's child-in-time comfort and strangers era, and so they bring 'em out, and they're like, what do you wanna do, and he bang this out. I think the bones of it are probably his, but like I think a lot of the, I don't know, maybe the lack of like psychological and character depth is probably brought on. - Well, he despises the movie. - Yeah. - It's one of those where in the Wikipedia page for this movie, you wonder if he went in there and added a couple things. - Yeah, I don't know if Ian McEwan is doing a lot of work. - Or if he's editing, but-- - Or his assistant dinner, something. - You read it, and it's like very like-- - He just, he even had this great idea, and they fucked it up. - Yeah. - For sentences on end, but I don't know what the high concept version of this movie is, and frankly, I'm not sure there should have been a high concept. - Well, you know, there's a couple of his books that really explore the idea of a moment in your life that changes everything. - Often in youth. - Yes. - And so I can see some faint outlines of McEwan in this, of like this idea of like, in a time of one kid's trauma from losing his mother, it goes and spends a weird winter with family and meets this other kid who's like, seemingly possessed by the devil, but the mother is possessed by an angel. Like, I don't know. I mean, like, there's stuff in there, but that, I think they stripped that down and made it more about Mr. Highway. - So it's like the Charles V game for Sean. - Hey, hey, look, when we're recording this, we don't know what's gonna happen. - We really don't. - So like, let's just not even, can we just not even-- - I'm just saying that was a bad moment. - It was a very bad moment. In fact, I spoke about it to my five-year-old last night. - Did you? - I did, we were talking about-- - Was she receptive? - I, she was kind of barely understanding what I was talking about, but I was trying to guide her through the experience. - Mine was the Red Sox Yankees playoff game in '78. That was my version of a UNE, even McEwan novel. - Just the worst. - I mean, I was about the age of the boys in this movie when that Charles V game happened. - Oh yeah. - It would have be down a dark path. - Joseph Rubin, DreamScape, 1984. The Stepfather, 1987. - Solid. - Good movie. - With our guide, Terri O'Quinn, from Lost. - That's right. - A bunch of things. - True believer? - I like true believer. - I've never seen it. - I don't think I like that. - Is that James Spader? - Sleeping with the enemy in a mortal classic. - The good son movie. - Money Train. - Money Train is not bad. - Banger, yeah. - And then return to Paradise. That's where the wheels start going off. - So he had a nice little run there. - I saw his first movie that he made a couple weeks ago, randomly, before you even asked me to do this, I just popped it in. It's called Joyride. The cast is Robert Carradine, Desi Arnez Jr. and Melanie Griffith, a very young Melanie Griffith. - Yeah, about three kids who go up to Canada. - Oh, is it to escape the draft? - To go on the run? Yeah, it is a very strange, but kind of entertaining movie. And it's like a real kind of little grind housey, little exploitation movie. But you can see even in that movie, the bones of what he's interested in. - He's a from hell, I'll start director. Really good at wide shots of awesome locations that seem seemingly peaceful and serene, but guess what, they're not. - Yeah, he is. - He enhance and were the two masters of it. I like him, I like his style. They made this movie in Maine. Most of it built all this. I don't know if they, I think they might have built the house and then filmed in a whole bunch of other places too where the cliff scene was not in Maine. But the house was Manchester by the sea and Massachusetts. - Okay, I was gonna talk about this. - But you can drive up to right now. It's on Red Fen, you can go find it. You can go look at it. - So I know you've been to Maine. You like to vacation in Maine. I love Maine. - You're from New England. - I know, I never, never really crossed the line with Maine. My wife, my wife really loved it out there. - Did you guys go to Portland for some reason? - We did, we did Portland and we did Manchester a couple of times, but the, we just never, never really got over the home. - Well, I've been there a couple of times and I really liked it. I only went in the summers. I've never been in a cold winter there. But, you know, it's such a beautiful part of the country, but it's also a very complicated part of the country, and almost all the movies that are made there. And this is in part because of Stephen King, but not just Stephen King, are all really kind of sinister. - Like, there's something about that part of the coast. - It's unforgiving, it's unforgiving. It's kind of like the Oregon coast as well. It's like, you can't really swim here. You know, it's like, you have the, it's beautiful, but you can't actually experience the beauty. - Yeah, sheer rock faces. - Yeah. - There's like weird bugs that'll come out and like July, all of a sudden like the worst crazy head mosquitoes come out for like three weeks. - Yeah. - Maine in the summer is like heaven on earth. - And then the one really, really nice part of Maine is Kenna Bugport, which the bushes have kind of claimed. - Right. - To have like that giant compound there. - But you stay there when you go, right? - We go to Portland. - No, but you stay at the Bush compound. - I gotta say, I've known CR for 15 years. This is ironically the 15 year anniversary this month of our relationship. - Grantland and then the launch of the ringer. - Yeah. - Portland Maine is the most CR place in America. - Yeah. - If he said tomorrow, I'm out. Phoebe and I are moving in Portland, Maine. I bet I totally get-- - I would look to it. If we could just knock out a few more rewatchables, I could summer in Maine, you know what I mean? Because if we got ahead of it enough, I could, I could get a summer place. - Portland is like-- - What are your plans for a hero? Like, are you would just leave behind, do I like that? Would you just log in on Zoom? If you're breaking down back rooms. As you wait in, I'm back to-- - I haven't seen that before. - You know he does like movie takes, right? - Yeah, so I've seen, yeah. - Yeah, a lot of thoughts on the weekday. - I think about back rooms is-- - If we brought him in the rewatchables, what would happen? - He'd have a great time, you know? - Yeah, I think honestly, that would probably be a big goal for him is to just come in and be-- - Shapira? - Yeah. - The other BS? (both laughing) - Yeah, oh my god. Unfortunately, that would probably outperform the Spielberg. (both laughing) - This movie was 86 minutes long. - It's so beautiful. - Hey Ben Shapira, have you ever had a criteria you were getting? (both laughing) - It's a better effect I have. - 86 minutes, $20 million budget made, $66 million. And so it did make money. Rodgerie, but first time ever, I think in 440 movies. A half star. - I don't ever remember him going 0.5 stars. - Did you happen to see the TV version of this? - Sure did. - How was it? - Gene like he was-- - He was both very angry. (both laughing) - Like honestly, really, really pissed off. - Yeah. - And Gene, I think-- - It's like Tipper Gore, late 80s level, just like infuriated by the concept of the movie. - I agree. I think Ebert is like, his point of view is clouded by how upset the movie has made him. Cisco's point of view is really sharp where he's like, here is what is, he basically does picking nits for two minutes and does say some things that make you think the movie is even worse than it actually is where he's just like, let's think about the Mr. Highway situation. So those kids when they drop the Mr. Highway are in full view. Also, there's clearly a news report and a huge investigation into this and then there's no follow up in the story. - What happened? - And it's also like Mr. Highway a pretty distinctive way of doing that. - Right, yeah. So it's like, the movie because of the way that the script has clearly been torn apart, like it doesn't really hold up to the level of, you know, investigation that we're going to be doing. - That's part of the fun. - But that's part of what makes it fun too. - God, I felt the complete opposite. When I saw the theater, I was like, this is great. - You were just like, Henry throw the perfect game. - It's just like watching Greg Matt. - It was probably like a 230 start, 10 minutes of previews and I was out by 405, I was like, this is great. - This is pleasant. - Let's do it this way. - This movie could not have survived being 15 minutes longer. - Yeah. - There is, there is literally. - I have some ideas for later. But part of what is so good about it is it never blinks. It's just like, yeah, he's this evil. - Yeah, they don't, they don't ease into it. It's the moment he takes little mark out for a time out in the town. Here's what he brought. Who in the world would want to see this movie? (laughing) Watching the good sun, I asked myself that question. Hoping that perhaps the next scene would contain the answer. Although it never did. The movie is a creepy, unpleasant experience. Made all the worse because it starts children too young to understand the horrible things we see them doing. This is a very evil little boy. The movie could have been called Henry Portrait of a Future Serial Killer. - By the way. - Banger. - By the way, I would sign up for that right now. - Yeah, that's just a great evil one. - Somebody should actually just make Henry the portrait of a future serial killer. Have you seen that movie? I've told that story. I saw that one in the BU theater for a South of the game. It was me and seven other guys by themselves and reports of serial killer. Six of them went on to be serial killers. And there's you all of a size in each other up halfway through the movie. Like, I was keeping that guy over there. Well, I see if that big jack about inside. We've been told to see each other. We're going to take a break and come back and do most rewatchable scene. Most rewatchable scene. I'll start with the treehouse scene into the rock throwing scene into the well. And he's kind of feeling him out a little bit. Holding him in the treehouse because Mark decides to climb up in the hard way. Hey, if I let you go, do you think you would fly? At that point, Mark maybe should have been like, huh? Yeah, but there's, yeah, I reminded me of like being a kid and be like, you know, again, on unsupervised play, being up on like my friend's roof and being like, you could jump to the other roof. Right. I bet you could. Yeah. It kind of, it's slow walks you for the first like half a scene. But then by the time like they're smoking a cigarette and firing the arrow, that's at the well. You're like, okay. Well, Henry has a pack of smokes. So he would have won over CR immediately already gets the Sean Penn award. Yeah, um, philosophize about death a little bit. Mm-hmm. What do you think happens? Seems like a decent hang. I think the, the worm turns during the scene when they're being chased by the rockweather. Yes. Which is the next rewatchable scene. Nice little wide shot and then Henry slams the door and then just goes eye to eye with the rockweather. Yeah. It's like, all right. It starts barking at it. All right. It's kid might not be playing with a full deck. Next scene I have is Henry kills a dog and they dump it into a well with the little nail gun thing. Is that well decorative? You think? Not a functioning water like I hope not. Full of dog blood. Yeah. Top five wells in a movie. Creepy wells. Silent rage. I mean, the rain. Yeah. The rain is number one. The rain. Number one. The ring scared you off. You wouldn't even do the ring. I don't like the ring. It makes me uncomfortable. The ring is amazing. First of all, the original on the top one that I'm just like, that's one of those I get unsettled. I don't like being unsettled with horror movie. I completely disagree. That's what I live for. I don't like I get like really unsettled. Like I'll wake up the ring in theaters. We were like, oh God, this fucking yeah, Amber Campbell. Yes. Yes. Hey, Mark, where's your sense of humor? Says that at one point. Yep. So that well, that dog's going to start smelling about. I'm going to say a weekend. How deep down though. I mean, you want to start talking about this? Like how's Henry going back into the house smell and a moral bros? Good note. Isn't mom just like, and that's a great one because you could just be like, yeah, Mark wanted to smoke a cigarette. Well, how old were you when you had your first cigarette first 15 15? That's late. But I didn't start smoking until 21. What about you? 24. What? What? Yeah. Wow. Yeah. I never in a million years would have thought I would have had a cigarette. I mean, it was always like, if you can get through high school, you'll be fine. And it was like that's exactly opposite. It's like when cigarettes really hit you is when you get out of your parents smoke. They did, but not with me. They did like, they stopped when I when I was born. You make it sound like you guys all said in the smoking port. We're together. I was 23 and I'm 24 now. I don't think about it. 23. I blame Jim Grady. I was thinking about this the other day. My dad used to be like multi packs a day. And then when I came along and into like my earliest memories are just my dad getting in fights at restaurants about the smoking non smoking sections and whether they were too close. And it is kind of crazy that we were just like, there's this invisible line where you can smoke and not smoke. Oh, airplanes. Yeah. That is cigarette smoke didn't roll across. Yeah. I am track was great too. The smoking non smoking cars, but you had to walk through the smoking car to go to the cafe. Yeah. You just get like instant lung cancer, a red wig. You only feel that now in Vegas and see only time you feel that again. Henry causes a 10 car accident with Mr. Highway. Yeah. Once you realize you can do everything, anything, you're free. He's not wrong. Yeah, he's cooking. Henry's throwing some advice around this scene's awesome. I think this is probably my most rewatchable. This is the ranged, the fermented fucking crazy behavior. It's a it's a really well shot accident. Great truck flip. Yeah. I feel like that they almost like had to do the news report later to be like, don't worry. Like he didn't just kill 13 people, like a miracle, but nobody is better movie. If like he did kill like two people and they're looking for the people who did this. I think they need to parcel out his chaos a little bit. So if he's the cause of a mass murder event, yeah, I would probably make it this correct. I agree with you. Um, I have Elijah Wood talking to the therapist on the bench about what makes people evil. She says, I don't believe in evil. And he's like, you should. Good Elijah Wood. Disgating scenes, awesome. Yeah. Yeah. Connie on the ice. She's underneath there for a minute. Yeah. I'm surprised that that we don't know if she's going to college. And like the Camden main EMTs are able to revive her. She's going. I think it's a shot of her under the water. I'm like, this is a special instructor. Because she's turned there because she's under there a little too long. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. The brains got scrambled. Really cool. Hey, Mark, don't fuck with me. That's number one. She's my mother now. And then Hey, Mark, don't fuck with this. This is one thing I will say while I'll say her what's it? Don't sleep on how incredible it was to hear McCullochult can say, Mark, don't fuck with me. It was like, Oh, um, the mom finds the duck and Henry shed. Yeah. Among other, we were disturbing Henry. He knew I was looking for this. What do you have the duck for, mom? Yeah. Um, I find it hard to believe she didn't go into the shed a little more often here, especially after Richard's mysterious death. Got a lot of questions about this. We just need to hide the crossbow. That's just out. Yeah. But like that is also like one of those things later. I would have more inked over it by the fact that it was homemade. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, they should have had it as dad made it or something. He hunts with it. It's just there. There's a whole thing surrounding this movie, which is that the plot of the movie is is that Mark's mother dies. His father has to go on a business trip. Yeah. And so he gets dropped off all the way across the country from Arizona to Maine to stay with his family. Couldn't have been just thrown out a plane for some reason. No. So he he stays with them. Now this family that he's staying with staying with has is recovering is grieving the death of their very young son. Yeah. Now naturally, first of all, this is not the right family to send this child to they there's got to be somebody else who can do this. Yeah. But they're clearly still having a lot of emotional problems to the point where Henry is doing crazy shit right in front of their face. And they're so they're also fucked up. But they can't acknowledge it. It's Friday night. Let's go out to dinner. They're performing normal. We've had this plan for weeks. But no baby sitter. Like there's there. I've seen people say like it's very obvious that this marriage is on the rocks. Yeah. Between these two people. And but the movie is kind of like lightly coasting over. But you can explain a lot of the nitpicking stuff by just being like these people are not locked in on what's going on around this is what's been going on in the background of their lives. Did you kill Richard? What if I did? Yeah. And then the big ending mom, I need your other hand. Got to throw one more in there, which is Mark pulling a shiv on Henry. Oh yeah. It's going to be a gusher. He's like, yeah, it'll sail that way that he's like basically telling him to do it. Yeah. I think when the dad's like, Mark, what are you doing? I'd be like, you're fucking out of here, man. That's the here's your suitcase. That's insane. When he's locked in the room and then the camera, they do the like overhead tracking shot, following Elijah Wood locked in the office. What is fucking Scorsese move all of a sudden for five minutes? It's crazy. It's really well. It was off the set that day. There's like now I can do it. Hitchcock's here. We talked about how great the ending is. Ebert wrote, everything leads up to a cliffhanging climax that somehow manages to be unconvincing contrived, maritricious and manipulative all at once. I don't know when I've just like the ending of a movie more. I think that's a little strong. Yeah. Honestly, fuck you, Raj. Settle down. It's the second one of these from hell movies that we've done. I can't remember how single white females. You have to tell me just like instantaneously after the like basically like the most important thing happens. There's like one beat of a coda and you're out. It was opposites. It was hand that rocks the cradle. As I'm saying, yeah. She's just like goes. Single white female goes on for an extra 10, 15 minutes, unfortunately. So what do you have for most of your watch? Well, I like Connie on the ice. I love like I love the the the set piece of it. It's so malevolent. It's so knowing of like this would be the most. And he's also drowning another sibling. So yeah, I'll just add one more, which is Henry showing up at Mark's therapist. Oh, what's the incredible gaslighting moment? My favorite scene is probably Mr. Highway. Yeah. Most 1993 thing about this movie is here. Mark playing Game Boy instead of enjoying his well. I had if you missed a phone call, you couldn't talk to your dad who's in Tokyo for several days. Yeah. Yeah. Like he just he's just not speaking as far as I can. Key landline scenes. Yeah, there's no email no text and if you were out of the house when he called That's it you get to talk to that dad's old Apple computer is pretty great. Yeah. Oh, yeah He's got the old the old school big box like just a giant contraption, but I had a The car accident none of the cars having cameras on them capturing these two psychos. Sure, and they're not being Just no, no, nothing knows what just imagine what we could have gotten away within the early 90s if they're the cops Probably showed up and they're like someone threw a doll on the highway. Yeah, I guess we were just will never know like cold case The fluid gun dolly butter in my ass and lolly pops up my mouth award for something I just enjoy I have We haven't talked about it yet. McCullocholkins nepotosister. Mm-hmm I'm sure she's a nice person in real life and probably having a great adult life and maybe a great mom One of the worst kid actresses performances of all time just an absolute abomination Can only say her lines and like this monotone voice just has a blank face Doesn't seem scared. I don't know what she's going for. Do you think that's because she's in a movie with like the Dylan Harper and Steph castle of child I think that's part of it the other part is kick Balkan's like and she's gonna be in the movie too It's the sister fire whoever else you had she did not pursue an acting career. I think this is our last movie This was her only speaking part ever. She was in this and home alone, right? Yeah, yeah, but I don't know She had a speaking thing in that I really enjoy when somebody has enough power That they can just shoehorn like their sister into like not a small part. It's like the fifth biggest part of the movie She's multiple key scenes true and I don't know. Just steps on everybody. What do you have for this? I love in a movie when everyone knows Something is wrong and especially wrong with a kid and they just will not admit it and There's you know, there's a great scene between Ellen Berson and is it DJ Cobb and the extra sister? They're sitting at the dinner as a George C'scott. I can't remember who's DJ Cobb's and they're sitting at the dinner table And that's the moment where it's just like This is fucked up. There's something like evil happening here, you know And the movie is like finally letting you accept that Pazuzu is real. Yeah, and This movie takes a really long-ass time to get to that moment So the whole time you're sitting there and you're just like how does Wendy Kruisen not see that her son is a murderous Sociopath for 90 minutes and finally gets you to that point, but that's like That's movie bullshit. It's like great movie bullshit when no one will come out and just be like there's something wrong with this kid And that's one of the from how staples When they're just ignoring the science for scene after scene after scene and then finally admitting it I'd probably go America's sweet heartbreak and bad so having Kevin McAllister say don't fuck with me. It's pretty amazing One thing on Quinn Culkin In that New York Times piece of studio executive was talking about how she got shoehorned into it It was like everything else with the father. It starts out as a request and then as it turns out It's a demand. That's a problem with the guy. It's like Ace Bailey. Yeah Oh, this is fun. The Amanda Dobbins Award for Best Piece of Real Estate Along with the Denny Thieves Benihana Award for scene stealing location in the house. It's got to be the House of Rock. How's this great? Can I also throw out David Morse's desert desert like yeah, we're the fuck are we yeah? He's like living in YouTube did the red rocks like come on. Yeah. It's outside of sundays. Colorado This place because you two's playing Also, they drive cross country from clearly Arizona, Colorado, Utah somewhere Yeah, in that car that has no top that old school was like a Ford Bronco or something. Yeah He puts the plastic covering on on the gene. Yeah, we need to make it winter. Yeah, pretty confusing But great house great location. I still have the sleeping with the enemy house slightly above it though That one's also on the shore. It's like at the end of the in-tucket or what does very well, but that was what sage the best. What do you got Sean? Well One of the reasons why I think kid Culkin was so perceptive is McCulloch and does have a kind of eerie quality as a young boy. He had a percosciousness and a kind of like Living doll quality that you could say is like seems kind of evil. I think even in home alone Yeah, you could read Kevin is being especially a malevolent. Yes And he could play very sympathetic and very sweet. He's so sweet as Thomas J and my girl and when he dies It's so devastating because he's so sweet But he could play like you know in the black or white video the Michael Jackson video He's like a rambunctious kid, you know rocking out in his bedroom and the movie is like his father Obviously identified something about him that made him very well suited to this part So even though it may not have been the best thing for him personally His dad was right like it aged well to put him in this. So is your is your hottest take to be kick Culkin? Should he have been running Disney? No, I didn't say that Why didn't he get Pixar? I had a Incredible evil little kid performance by Culkin. I think is age so piggybacking on chance thing We talked about the no special effects and the overhead shots and some of the shooting but my favorite is this is a plot device For for movies like this when there's been Sadly a child that has died or something and they don't touch the bedroom and then there's they'll throw in the early scene We're the new character is like what's in here and it's all pristine and then later We find out like it becomes this plot device. It always works. It's a home run 10 out of 10 times. Yeah It always like It's like a scab that's sitting there for the movie and then you know it's gonna get picked off. Yeah, it gets picked off in this movie Age of the best I had causing a ruckus and a semi-abandoned building with your little friends Oh, just breaking shit. Yeah, like that whole scene where they're in the that that empty warehouse or that Mechanics place and just throwing rocks through the windows. That was a big You know being six years old and be like we're not supposed to be here. No repercussions. Yeah And then I was really like when Culkin does taps for the dog This is a great fucked up little character beat I like what he misses the cat too and Elijah would excited that he missed the cat and Culkin's like I got a tinker with that. That was my eyes. It's not right. Yeah That's that right. That was my eyes and bird. It was like, yeah, yeah, say it's not right. Yeah, Craig you love this movie Can't wait for killing it in due existence Yeah, I used to fuck guys like you in prison or word for crazy as quote is clearly don't fuck with me Yeah, I can't say that. Would you have for great check ordose here? Henry looking down the rope at mark Where did you have like the the holding the two kids? I have a couple. That's a fun moment I had Henry approaching Connie in the hospital bed and he's lit like Michael Corleone and godfather per two Yeah, it's just like like the demon has taken over. There's a ton of stuff in the movie where the it's just like it's incredibly well-made for such a piece of trash Chess Rockwell Brock Lanners. I didn't really feel like there was a good character in this one It's disappointing pretty generic the big corner burger were for best use of food and drink has the fridge freak out. Yeah Oh Did he poison the food who knows? I think I didn't say for age the best Elijah Woods character and his performance It allows for like the six percent belief that he's also crazy that he's also grieving his mother dying And that he's losing it a little bit, you know, well that's always one of the great devices with these movies is that It feels like the person that we know is the good guy The perception is that they might actually be the bad person and when they can yes play with that that always One of the best that's one of the best things of a memento Memento is a movie that like really messes with that point of view in terms of like Is this person gaslighting or be a gas lit and It kind of gets you right up to the edge of that in this movie But you still you've seen Henry do too many evil things to really ever get over the line Titanic's like that, too. Yeah, sure. Well, as we know rose with evil people think bowie zane was the bad person that move in is clearly really good guy Would you have for a flex here For my flex Well, I mentioned shaw and pen. I brought my own pack for Colton smoking at the well, but I had the Do you feel like that had seemed like he might have blown a dart before that? I think so and especially when they're like think if you can't say he's like who cares? You're gonna die anyway. Yeah, pretty good. The rich or chatty guard me to ward For most memorable death by a security guard or other bystander From the movie treats as inconsequential, but probably had a spouse and a kids who loved them The motorists they go to great pains to say that nobody died in that car accident But like I'm I'm pretty sure someone walked away with really bad whiplash. Yeah, yeah, and they're they're traumas I'm the truck driver survived. I don't know. Yeah that guy's definitely going on the car practice like for years Which is girlfriend award for winking to the film So I we mentioned this earlier, but all the unsafe things in this extended neighborhood Including a terrifying treehouse that doesn't have a actual ladder where who is that guy who did the Netflix climb At one point at one point you're going backwards to climb up the top of it like it's fucking crazy I don't know where the mom was on that like hey Henry how do you get up on that tree house? Do you have a treehouse growing up? No, did you? No, but we had tree house-esque things, you know like like what roof decks that weren't really connected to roofs really well You know roof episode for you. Yeah. All timer. There's the terrifying deep well that you could have just fallen to your death at any point. The cliffs edge. There's no, there's no like cover on the well, anything. The railroad tracks, you mentioned the highway that you could just fall off the bridge. The, just this walking bridge that has a random killer pitball that does not have a leash that could just mall anybody and then all the cliffs. Like at one point, the kids are just lying on the cliffs peaking over like this 100 foot fall to their death. So they drop little mark off who's just lost his, his mom. And at no point to the like, Hey, just so mark nose. Like, you know, we're really out here in the middle of nowhere. Like, there's some shit. Like you could really get in trouble here. Now just put them out there. It's really a miracle we were alive. It's not, it's not a very strong advertisement for Maine. It is like this entire state is a death trap. There's that like a safe part in the movie, even like the shed has a lot of what else you felt. Like it was like, go into the park, but don't go down that path because they're supposed to be like a creepy guy down there. Yeah. And it would still be like, but feel free to go into the park otherwise. It's very, another like very smart thing about the movie is moving from Arizona to Maine where Arizona is just the kind of like wide open nothingness of the desert. It's like, it's actually not dangerous to be in a place that you're always in full view. And in Maine, it's like, no matter where you go, you're about to fall down a cliff. Yeah. Would you have for a week, Link? The adults. I mean, both in terms of their behavior, but also in terms of like, I feel like we were one really cool actor short of that in that deck. You know, could have been, could have been a good, I think Houston's good, but it would have been good if we had had the original, the original actor cast for it. It feels like that's where they saved money and the that was their inefficiency kit was like, I'll take some of that. I'll take that steam virgin money. Yeah. They're like maybe we can cut, cut money with the parents and we'll just get more to Culkin. Yeah. Daniel, you Kelly, the dad is like, if that was just James Remar, isn't this a better movie? He's a TV actor like it. And I think he was in Kujo was the other movie actor. I was reading about him. I don't want to disparage him. It's just like, he's just not really up to the moment. Now I can't not see James Remar in this movie though. Well, why wasn't David Morse the dad? Did they just have him for two weeks? I don't know. I've seen like a half of the perfect days. It's just pretty David Morse being David Morse. But he was on saying elsewhere. Was he? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He had a run and inside moves that see our enthusiasm. Did this movie need a better title? I'm bringing that category back to the original choice. Oh, what? He's giving away the climax of the movie. I mean, Ebert nails it, right? With Henry portrait of a future serial killer. I did every mother's son. There's like something about who is really, who is the true mom to mark and who's the true mom to Henry in this movie? I like that. Good. I could see that in the Netflix thumbnail. Yeah. I have the winner. Bad brother. Very good. Oh, yeah. Very good. Just a better title. Well, the Netflix title, you know what it would be. It would be whoops. I killed my brother, just kidding. I'm gonna kill my new brother. It's me, Henry, the guy who killed my dog, my sister. I don't really understand why it's called the good son. Well, because who's the good son? Right? I think it's riffing on Cane Naval, the biblical allegory. Bad brother does a better job, I think. Shout out to bad brother. What's age is the worst? As you know, one of my passions in life is random soccer scenes being thrown into movies. Yeah. So we have Elijah Wood in the beginning. In classic Hollywood, Elijah Wood's never really played soccer before. Lot of closeups. We see there's some sort of, he's old enough he's 10, like a 10 year old soccer game is going to be a fairly high level. It's just a lot of kids clustered fairly high level. Well, it's going to be more spread out. This is 15, like five year old soccer. Yeah. Why did they just cast Rodel Dino, you know? No, it looks like an AYS of under five, like first time everyone's played. And he somehow gets a goal and traffic. People wonder why America has no chance at the World Cup. Watch the good son. It's fucking bullshit. What are 10 year olds are doing? Kind of structure. And they all do the same stuff. The art character is always going to score the goal. It's always going to be shot way too close up. So we don't have to see anybody running or any sort of set up of a goal or anything and they're just trying to get through it. And it's, it's a passion of mine, CR. Did you do any illustration on this sequence? There's nothing to tell us. It's just 22 kids just running around circles. It's, there's no 10 year old soccer game that would have that kind of spacing. I'm sorry. Unless it's like a pickup game at recess or something. This is pre-Pep Gordiola and our understanding of positional awareness. But I get what you're saying though. Yeah. Thanks. The music's pretty bad. It's Elmer Bernstein. This is the second. It's just corny and like Elmer movie we've done because he did it in my house. It's the same problem with animal house where it's like, did Elmer Bernstein watch this movie? No. He's like, Hey, I created some tracks. First of all, just watch your mouth. No, I'm just saying. Second of all, this is just crazy. Third of all, you also just did Ghostbusters, which is one of the great movie scores of all time. Not everyone can hit a home run. He did the score for the 10 Commandants, the Sweet Smell of Success, HUD to Kill a Mockingbird, the Great Escape, my left foot. I'm not saying he's not great. Listen, you're a lot of mail in every once in a while. I thought it was good. I liked it. Are you going to go 52 for 52 in your newsletter? Yeah, when you try to be a couple good. I feel like I'm three for seven right now. The credit titles weren't great. The music and the credit titles feel very early 90s. It's like the boom music. Yeah. I just fucking ass wholesome. What the hell? I think Elmer just gave them. He's like, that's a good son with McCauley Culka and this movie is going to suck here. I'll send you some A track. You know what I don't even care. Okay, so they don't do their credits. They have Mark's, Mark's mom dies funeral. They hit the road. AC DC. Yeah, Billy squires the stroke. Yeah. That's right. Or go some 93 hip hop. Yeah, all of a sudden they're playing Drey and Snoop. That would be good. Yeah, moving from the west coast to the east coast. No doubt I was native tongues. I have one more of what's age to worse. The whole, if you close this deal in Tokyo, you and Mark are set. Yeah. What's going on here? So this definitely just feels like sex tourism to me. I have no idea what's going on. But like the idea that this is like almost like the extension of like the Gung Ho era of like people's relationship to Japan and the 80s and 90s being like, you just, I can't break this date. They won't understand. The fear they're going to take over my the economy of America. Yeah, so I imagine he is a small business owner, his own boss. And like, there's nobody he can voice this off on to. But what is Japan's like, we hear that your wife just died, but the deal evaporates tomorrow. That should come out. I just, and if you're going to Japan, you should be a little bit more conversant in Nintendo's products. He's like, oh, you're done bombing the universe over there. Big guy. It's like, how about this idea? Bring the fucking kid with you. It's his, it's his winter break or whatever it was. Bring him to Tokyo. What is the Gung Ho era? Just the movie Gung Ho where Japanese car company takes over an American car factory. And it was just like, there was a movie or two made about like the relationship between Michael Keaton movie. The two cultures. Yeah. Good movie. I think probably has not, there's probably some pieces that have not aged great. I haven't seen it a while, but my guy Michael Keaton says, you're sorry that I'm forgetting. I did. I watched it during the pandemic. Yeah. Yeah. I did. We did a Michael Keaton Hall fam. It wasn't my favorite thing that we watched. What else do you have for what's age worse? When Henry does it, when Henry says, tells Mark that his mom is maggot food, I feel like at any age Henry's taking a fucking. Right. You're fighting here out like Mark is kicking Henry out of that tree house. Yes. And Mark's just like, no, she's not. I'm like, that's pretty deep cut. That's a bench colonial bra. We've obviously just addressed David Morse, least involved parent of the 20th century. And the ending, the very ending where like you basically get Mark's weird like, I wonder if she would make the same choice again. And there's no accountability for Davenport, how to Connie and Wallace react. You know, there's no, I just wanted like one extra minute. Yeah. I put that in Z1naio where I'm like, why are we up focusing on Mark now? Like this should, this is now about Wendy Kruissen's character. Yeah. Like killed her son after losing her other son. And just like law enforcement come through and be like, gosh, turns out there was a huge crime wave that this kid Henry was responsible for. We missed it. I would have added one extra scene, one more soccer game. Okay. Another goal from Mark cuts to Wendy Kruissen with Mr. Highway. And they're celebrating it. Mr. I was like, she throws Mr. Highway at the field. And then say the good Hans Gruber scale for villain ranking. Henry's like a nine. Yeah. I had an eight. Yeah. He's pretty mean. So in your, in this rating, Hans is 10. Nobody can be higher than Hans. Okay. That's why it's the Hans Gruber scale. I disagree with you. Who's higher than I? I just think Hans had his motivations. Like Hans was, you know, first of all, a committed leftist. And second of all was really just interested in getting his hands on baribons. There's a lot more crazy people out there. Okay. Where does, you want the Crimson Dawn out of prison? Like where does Lou Cipher figure into this scale? You know, like that's a good question. Feel like we could get a little bit more evil than Hans. This was created during a Kyle Brand podcast when we were talking about about how bad powers Booth was in sudden death. - Great. - And I think we gave him like a one and a half out of 10. And at some point it became the Hans Gruber Scott. I don't know if we had put a ton of thought into whether it should be after Hans Gruber. - Look, I may be able to open up to the next day. - Maybe I have a Gruber Apologist. I don't know. - It's hard to apply this category to a film that has like explorations of sociopathie. - Yeah. - Or evil like Paymen is a 10 out of 10. Pazuzu is a 10 out of 10. - Well once he is possessed, yeah. - But the demon, the demon itself. Right? - Here comes the telephone call back. (laughing) - Yeah. - A lot of talk about Apex Mountain for this pod, but you-- - Yeah, people obviously didn't see hereditary. - Ruko doing hereditary is probably the hardest. - Oh my god. - I've got the last on the show. - Ruffalo Han and Rubina Parchage overacting word. This goes to Quinn Culkin for the underacting. Can we do underacting for this or no? - Sure. - Okay. It dials it up a couple of times in this movie too. - When he's throwing all the food down the disposal. - Yeah. - Oh, true, that's good, that's a good answer for this. All right, we'll take one more break and then we got Sean's Flex. All right, Sean's Flex, what do you got? - So the reason I put the shining on my list is 'cause there's a shining criteria orgasm in this movie. You just mentioned the bombing the universe line, which is a direct line that pulled from what Jack Torrance says to his son Danny and the shining. And this movie knows what it's doing when it makes that reference to the shining. - Do we have to retire the category after Spielberg melted your vertebrae? - It's up to you, you tell me. - No, I like this category. I mean, I don't know if I'll ever have a better moment in my life. - Do you think he will watch Josh, too? - He said he's, he's not 20 years later. - Oh, he did, okay. - We went to bad for it a couple of times. - I snuck it under my breath the second time. - He did, yeah. - I'd really wanted to make it clear to him that I was okay with the movie. My big regret was that I couldn't pitch him on why it was an interesting movie. And because he was, you could see he just didn't want to hear it. But, you know, the whole thing about it being like a, like a slash or a movie, but with a shark. - Yeah. - That was a cool thing that happened. - I wonder if for him, he's like, that would be like me telling you like, why Hyphids is Virgin of the Big Picture really worked for me? (laughing) - Right. - He's like, yeah, the fucking way. - Yeah. - Possibly, yeah. - Oh shit, Hyphids is gonna send a pitch now. - Have an idea for a spinoff. - Literally every other episode of the Ringer Fantasy football show is Craig asking, Danny, if he's seen a movie, and he's like, I haven't seen that. (laughing) - How do you be the podcast? - How do you be the podcast? - Him seeing all the movie. - Hyphids? - Yeah. - Yeah, it's alarming how little, very popular movie in the '90s and 2000s he has seen. He didn't know who no doubt was. - What, like, he's such a unique person. He's like, Gwen Stefani was in no doubt. - How did Hyphid get hired in the first place? - I think the first 20 years of his life, he just was watching football and basketball. - Grinding tape, yeah. - Yeah, and that was it. Oh, the CR thinks Luke Wilson could have been Harrison for it, how to take a word. I'll start us off. - Okay. - I think this is McCalli Culkin's greatest performance. And I don't even know if it's a hottest day. - I know how hot that is. - I genuinely believe it. I think it should be mentioned first. I don't care how popular Kevin McAllister was. I know how big home alone was as a franchise. I think this was a much harder role. And he's really good as an evil kid. I don't, like, this movie, it's one of those, we talk about this sometimes in the show. Sometimes movies just shouldn't work. This movie literally needs two of the best kid actors, probably the last 50 years to both be in the same movie with the director who totally gets it. But I think this movie probably had a 10% chance of working. Or else it's like that movie I watch, Mikey with Brian Bonson. - Absolutely. - That just goes in that direction and comes that. - It becomes pure camp. - Yeah, my how to say goes related to what you're saying. 'Cause I feel similarly and that it's that this movie should have been an even bigger deal because Elijah Wood and McCulley Culkin should have both been coming off of Academy Awards for supporting actor. Culkin for his performance as Thomas J and my girl and Elijah Wood for his performance in, oh shoot, I forgot what the movie was that Elijah was in right before this. - The war? - No, no, no, no, radio flyer. - Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. And McCulley should have beaten Jack Pallant's for City Slickers and Elijah should have beaten Gene Hackman in Unforgiven. - That's not actually your take, that's like, that's like you're just having that out a little like. - It's my hottest take, it's my hottest take. - Could McCulley have mentioned Elijah Wood accepting Oscar and just be like, "Hack, it's just great to be nominated." These other performers, Hackman, I've looked up to you for all eight years of my life. - If you've seen Radio Flyer, you know what a success that is? - I think I have. - Another way to don her film, maybe you haven't seen. - That would've been the worst moment of Gene Hackman's life until the TikTok craze of Gene Hackman's Secret Tunnel started. - Somehow, I don't think that's bothering Gene Hackman anymore, but yeah. - It's somewhere in the afterlife, he's bothered. He's like, really? 95 years? - In like a million great movies. - The go-staffs of life, like a darker light. - He's fucking weirdo, TikTok people, take this. - Do you know how many Secret Tunnels? Do you know how hard it would be to just make a Secret Tunnel? - Yeah, didn't you see Euphoria zoning here is impossible. - Yeah, that's right, that's right. - If that was the guy with the Secret Tunnel would say. - Yeah. - You know how hard it would be to do this? (laughing) - How crazy would I have to be to have a series of tunnels? (laughing) - Did you ever have to take them out? - I have to. - One is at the end of the day, I feel like Susan chooses blood over truth, and she saves Henry over Mark. And she's just like, it is what it is. That's my son. I'm not losing another one. And we're just gonna have to figure this out. And honestly, the Getaway plan is right there. You could probably blame a lot of it on Mark. Distraught, disturbed. He did Mr. Highway. She's the one who threatened a Karina. You know, like you could get away with a lot of like. - That was the single way female plot where she was trying to basically set up Bridget Fonda for all of it. - I think it's not even a hot take. I think it's actually the right take. - So you would save, it's not defensible to save Mark. - Yeah. - It's just as apparent. - I mean, Henry did try to kill her three minutes earlier. But at least like institutionalized the kid. - Yeah, she could be like, he was having like, he was disturbed. - 'Cause it's really only one moment in her eyes that he broke. - Yeah. - She hasn't seen any of the other stuff. - She has a feeling he killed Richard. - Yeah. - He's kinds of admitted. - But she makes a very quick conclusion, like 30 seconds after he does this one thing to let him die. - As a parent, you watch your kids do things and you're just like, I wish they didn't do that just now, but you're like, ah, you know. Wailing to forgive it, they're my child. - Well, you think about it. Stills the duck, says, so what if I did when she asked if he killed Richard and then tries to push her off a cliff and does, and she almost falls to her death? - I feel like the better pitch, the better question here is not whether you would save me or Chris, but whether you would say Ben, after revealing that he's killed someone or Chris. If you're holding Ben Simmons and you're holding C. - Murderer Ben Simmons or me? - I'd probably, at that point, remember, I thought Chris got a little chirpy after the Eagles Pat Super Bowl, probably let him go. - Settle down to your chirpiness. - Some settle down juices, I thought you went to the ocean. - A little settle down juice. - Here's the most settle down juice. - You're the moral friend. - No more Eagles Super Bowls for you. - My other hottest take was that if Henry's parents were just a little bit more engaged, they would have seen that this is an NHL pest and enforcer in the making. And you could have channeled all that aggression. - Good skater. - It's hockey, that guy's on the B's by 95. - Yeah. - Great take. - Yeah, he's on a zard line. - I was like, Wallace, if he had an ounce of an eye as a scout, he would have seen to this kid's area. - That guy's skate speed was incredible. - He was a great skater. - He was like, it was Culkin, dude. - Did he skate it? - Did he swing shots that guy? - There's more kids fucking cooped up, harness it. He's got cabin fever. - Yeah. - He's got nothing to do all day. - Didn't love the throwing motion from him. - No, but he looks like David out there. - Yeah. - Let's fucking tap into it. (laughing) - That's great. - Casting what ifs. - Get this kid in flames and sports. He's doing it every day. - Casting what ifs, they almost made this in 1988 with Michael Kleeseck as Henry, I don't know how that is. - And then Jesse Bradford, right? - With Mary Steam Virgin as the mom. And Michael Layman, who directed Heathers, it's the director. - Do you think a Michael Layman directed version of this has like more tongue and cheek black comedy? - For sure, just based on all the movies that he's made in his career. But would that have made sense for this? - I mean, I don't know if totally it would have worked. Obviously, Kip was like-- - Kip Kip's dumped his ass, yeah. (laughing) - Kip Kip's like, you're out. - My sense that I had to start in the world for nine more months, you're out. He did. - There's that kind of far ball of Hollywood dad. - Yeah, no question. - That's that guy word. I don't think Daniel who Kelly is a that guy. - Why not? - Separate Craig's generation. - Well, who was he then? - Well, I think the therapist is the that guy. - Okay. - I know that I've seen that lady, Adam. - She was on soap for a while. I think she's done a lot of things. - She's bounced around. - When he cruising is not a that guy. - When he cruising, it's probably the mom from the good son. So that would make her that guy, which I think would qualify her. - This category is not-- - She's the mom from Santa Claus. - She's the mom from Santa Claus. - Or mom from Santa Claus. - But nobody knows. - Most people don't know what her name is. - Yeah, that's probably the best answer. - Wasn't this, didn't this used to be the Joey Pants that guy or word? - Yeah. - I feel like we're getting away from the original text. - And you can't be-- - So those from CR. - Or you can't. - That's like someone's getting dropped off a cliff. - No, I'm just saying you can't be that guy in the movie that you're in. You can't be in "Windy Cruisen" is obviously from the good son. - Yeah. - It's Daniel Hugh Kelly. It was from "Hardcastle" and "McCormick." - Is that true? - Yeah. (laughing) - This is big TV. - It turns into like 67 episodes. - But it wasn't in "10 Speed" and "Thunderfoot." - No, that's that one. - For that one. - I could. in brown shoes. All the TV shows when you look up these people's credits, they're just like, "Darranty, don't make this up." Or is this real? Oh my god. There was some show that was, they did the Instagram video of the opening credits from 1977 called Blansky's Beauty, who was a happy day, skin off, a spinoff, and it was said in Vegas. And none of us, I was on with people my age, like Jimmy and our friend Rob Mills, and we were all like, "Does anyone remember the show?" It was 13 episodes a bit. And I was like, "How did I not know about the show?" It was strippers in Vegas, like a comedy. Scott Bayo was in it, Paparito was in it, but yeah, the point is, shows just came and went. We never knew what was going on. Yeah. It's so easy to make them up, too, right? It's just like, two names. Jiminy McCorkle, PhD, he's a rap-scalian professor at a New England university. So this is a big, good use of AI. Yeah. Well, no. What? No. Fake trailers from the '70s and '80s. You have to decide whether they were a real show or not. Okay. That's how we get into McCorkle. Damn, I'm not just making too many cooks. That's what it is. That's what too many cooks say. Super Train was this big NBC show in the late '70s. Fred Silverman went to NBC for "Maybe See," big executive. This was his big, expensive show, "Super Train." And it was basically a love boat on a train. And they would just show these wide shots of this train going fast, and then it would be like, starring. It would take back and it was an all-time legendary TV-bob. Super Train. I don't know any of the names that you just mentioned. Yeah. Then they remade it 30 years later, a snowpiercer. Right. Then they decided this is much better as a futurist, a coarsher. Damn, waiters was tough. I get the pit bull. I got Morse. I chose Cinematographer John Lindley. Oh, wow. I like it. Huge moment for him. Went on to shoot movies for like Nora Efron does not really the showiest Cinematographer movie history. But five or six times watching this 82-minute movie, I was like, damn, it's just kind of -- Also, I'm kind of responsible for that early '90s look, I guess. Yeah. Recasting couch director, City. We mentioned Maristine Virgin. Let's go for the big guns here. This is a Michelle Fyfe for movie. Like this would have been the fucking perfect Michelle Fyfe for movie. Perfect. Yeah. Perfect grieving widow. This is two years before Dangerous Minds. It's like four years after Fabo's Baker Boy is realistic that she would have a 10-year-old son. I think she would have classic Michelle Fyfe for faces of being upset. Like it just like -- I kind of like looking at the clip. Florida What Lies Beneath vibe to it. And even what's the thing she's in now with Caruso, where she's just like having a glass of wine looking out sadly and that like she's, nobody's better. Yeah. Yeah. A little bit of a like, what is this smoke show doing in Rock Harbor, Maine, America? You'd have to upgrade -- No makeup for her. You'd have to upgrade Wallace too. If that's the case, then you need to get Sam Shepard as Wallace. It sounds like a great movie. We get hangs. Yeah. Upgrade morse from hangs. Tank and Fyfe. Let's go. Yeah. Sure. Why not? We should just do crews at 25 as Mark. Can you imagine Kit Kulkett on the set with morse -- like with Sam Shepard, Michelle Fyfe for Diex? It's like, go back to your fucking trailer. Okay. Relight my son. Have a snack. We might need a Kit Kulkett award. I don't know if that's right. I was all bummed because the -- I thought my Henry should have played hockey. I had that. I'm going to go with the okay motherfucker award for the exact moment when this movie went up a notch. When Connie is drowning and Henry is just kind of limply holding his hand out. Yeah. And for a second, you're like, oh, okay. He wanted her to get in the water but he's going to save her and the hand is just out of reach. You know, it's amazing because if you were a witness to that, you'd be like, he tried to save her. He's fine. Yeah. Yeah. It's a special kind of dimension. That's just kind of like -- Liz got up and went to the bathroom. She's like, I can't let this. This is wicked. Only thing that would have been worse is if they'd like Connie die in the movie. That would have been -- that would have been truly like the restricted play. I was like, there's no way they're killing anyone else. The daughter's definitely not going to die. And then when she sinks down and goes under the ice, I was like, holy fuck, are they going to kill Connie? Yeah. She's been deeply malevolent. Can I argue? It would have been a better, better movie. Can I argue it? Is this month actually sick fuck Bill Simmons? It's like they go 90% there, but not all the way. Half-eastern in research, the cigarettes they smoked was a tube filled with dried parsley and lettuce leaves. I don't really get that. I think that's bullshit. I think they're ripping darts. They're fucking it. Yeah. It's morally 90s. They filmed the cliff scene at Palisade Head, Minnesota, and used tugboats to make the water seem choppy, but they weren't made. They were dangled off the cliff, secured by a safety crane in cable. They also constructed a fake cliff to make it easier to shoot the hanging stuff, stunt coordinator, the whole thing. After discussions with Culkin and his parents, he agreed to do a 30-foot fall on a cable on the actual cliff, but wanted one thing in return for this act of bravery, a BB gun. This is actually in the research. That's very Henry. It's a Henry. Yeah. Also, he got like $5 million for this movie. Okay. Get your own fucking BB gun anyway. It sounds like Jesus Christ. It's got $5 million, but yeah. They filmed some stuff in Beverly Mass, she said it's a Manchester by the sea, blah, blah, blah. And then you mentioned the tie, there's a tie-in novel. I never know what the tie-in novel is. It's a novelization. Yeah. Yeah. I never know what to make of those. Some of them are good. They make Henry a sociopath where it's just like, they dive into like, he just can't feel anything basically. McCulloch and Elijah Wood, very close friends to this day. Cool. It's great. Yeah. I would get pretty freaked out if I saw the two of them together. And then you mentioned, you mentioned the UK thing when it finally was released in the UK in 1995, was a video release two years later. They edited out everything that happens with Mr. Highway. He's basically on the bridge and then she's seen it and say that the UK had moved on to Oasis by then. They're like, yeah. Doesn't really matter. The idea of it being okay to murder a dog, but not okay to drop a, you know, a steering program on the street. Well, I think they were on the street. We have the copycat thing. That happened. Remember that movie? The program. Which we've done the rewatchables. Hitting down on the street. Laying down on the street became light. I was thinking about it. Apex Mountain, Culkin, it's probably home alone too. I think it is. I think it is. It could be home alone. Period, though, right? This period. He's on Apex Mountain for a couple of years. I wrote his, it's his Apex for bankability that he could get this movie to $60 million just by seeming evil in the trailer that you described. Yeah. Do you think Spielberg understood what Apex Mountain was? I don't think I do. So. Okay. He was. He seemed like he understood. I think it seemed like he grasped it. I think, I think he was in a great mood. Yeah. See, we do jobs within next year because he claims they're doing it. I'm going to get rid of these chairs so we can do four chairs in here. Okay. Yeah. You need Rob Mahoney and Steven. Whatever. Steven. Get Culkin down. Steve. We. We. The. We, the, the, the jaw's saying, that'll be it, that might be the end of the show. Yeah. That'll be done. I'll be done. You guys don't want to do Lincoln is the last one. I mean, there's any number of movies I'd like to ask him about that he's made. The thing is he's made so many, would it, I mean, somebody sent me an email. If you took out the top four movies, a director or actor made, you just, you made the list. And wiped out the top four. Would he still, would Spielberg still have one of the best careers ever? Yes. No question. Yeah. So how many people, how many people could you say that about? There's like four. They're like, you think about how many times on this pot of you said, this person, it's like this, this, this, and this and then the wheels come off. You know, and it's like, it's not even the wheels coming off. It might just be like that they're hot streak ended. I think Meryl Streep might be the only actress where you could remove her top four and she would still have one of the best three or four careers ever. Yeah. It works a little bit better with directors like it's a real confrontation with how many peaks you have because Spielberg has three distinct peaks like Scorsese has three distinct peaks. John Ford has three distinct peaks where they like in different decades are doing different things that are amazing. Actors is tough because like most of them, you get these like two or three iconic roles. One that's like the breakthrough. One where the whole industry is like you're the greatest of all time and then one late period thing. So it's a little cruzier could who's you could wipe out for. Yeah. I mean, I was I think that's how you could wipe out for you because of because of Odyssey and I Odyssey is like the third time he has been the biggest movie star in the world or whatever. Yeah. You know, lead the biggest movie. And if you cut out Matt Damon's like top five movies, I think it would still be a good career. But it wouldn't be. Yeah. Wouldn't be. I don't. I saw an interview with him where he said he hadn't lost as much weights in high school or he hadn't been at this weights in high school. Courage under fire. He was like a hundred thirty pounds. Yeah. He was like Baron. Yeah. Yeah. He just. That he was like his health was in danger when he did that movie. Um. Maybe forgot. Maybe forgot. Random tangent. Elijah Wood. No. No, that's Lord. The rings. Okay. Lord of the rings is the one with the rings. Right. Yeah. Okay. Evil kid movies. Yeah. Maybe. What? Maybe give it a spin. Type it up over there. Lord of the rings. Yeah. I just did an episode about masters of the. and I talk about my favorite fantasy movies of all time and it fellowships like far and away my favorite fantasy movie of all time. - I just feel like. - I think if you like thrones the way you do, there's no reason why you wouldn't be able to at least get from-- - I know it's a quarter of your-- - I can feel like I'm not into this shit, but I feel like you would like-- - That I'm Jorge Blu-ray. - It sure is. - Fuck yeah, good one. - Those three movies are incredible. Honestly, this is not me dorking out. Like, they're legitimately great movies. - I just watched them for the first time over Christmas and they were great. - What did high-fits think? - Has high-fits seen fellowship with the ring? - He could tell you every line from Lord of the Rings. - Really? - Yeah. - High-fits. - When he cruised in Apex Mountain, probably saying a class, I'm guessing. - Okay. - Yeah. - Sounds right. - That was a huge movie. - No, it's definitely not David Morse, right? - No. Daniel Hugh Kelly, probably Kujo. - What is David Morse's Apex Mountain? - Oh, come on, proof of life. (laughing) - C-R-Nose. (laughing) - Disturbia. - One of my childhood favorites. - Oh, that's a good movie. - That's how I know it. - Disturbia. - Yeah, Disturbia is good. Maine know. - Choose between two people to live. - What is Apex Mountain for Maine? Just out of curiosity. - Probably it. - Yeah, I was thinking something in the Stephen King vortex. - Or Carrie. - Carrie. - Right. - One of those. - I mean, a Shawshank. - Oh, there you go. It's gotta be Shawshank. - It's Shawshank's Maine, right? - Yeah. - The prison is. - I thought it was filmed in Ohio though. - Yeah, but it's in the movie it's in Maine. - Shawshank is a movie location in Maine. Yeah, that's the answer. Or the Portland Celtics win in the G League title last year. - Nice one. - Be one or the other. - Yeah, I didn't know that. - In the bedroom. - Is that Todd Fuehl, right? - Yeah. - What about Poison Ivy? - It's in Maine. - Yeah. - I did a lot of Maine research for this plot. - Distant by me is Oregon or Maine. I can't remember. - It's in Maine, that's Oregon or Maine. - What about Lake Placid? - Upstate New York. - No, Maine. - Lake Placid is in Maine. - The movie Lake Placid is in Maine. - Oh, the crocodile movie. Oh, I thought you were like Miracle on ice. - No, Mike Placid. Is in the bedroom a rewatchable? - To me, it is. - Deeply sad movie. - That movie's fucking awesome. - Yeah, it's a great movie. - Wait, we're just the one with Jackie Earl Haley is the kid toucher. - Little children. - Little children, yeah. - Okay. - Crews are hanks. Crews are hanks. I mean, the roles are pretty slim. - This is a hanks movie as the dad, I think. - It is. - Unless Crews wants to play young and be Henry. - So like taps era Crews. - Lateral have young Crews as Henry. - Yeah. - Crews. Five years earlier, Crews hasn't even decided to start acting yet, but just realizes. - We would have to be like 15 years earlier to really get, right? - No, he's playing young. - Okay. - He's 22. - It's Crews in the outside. - He's committed to it. - I've been studying 10-year-olds, now their bodies move. (laughing) I've been learning how to unthrow stuff. - I watched a video interview with him talking about how like at one point in his career, he was shooting cocktail and prepping both rainman and board on the 4th of July and was rewriting all of them. And I was like, whoever wrote those movies is probably like, what the fuck? - Do you guys feel ready for six straight months of Crews Mania with Digger? - Like kidding. - When am I not ready for that? - But this is gonna be a whole new level. - Do you think he's going out on the road with it? - I think he has to because it's gonna be, he's gonna be trying to get win an Oscar. - There's like a 2% chance he does the rewatchable stuff. - I just like 2% after Spielberg, I'm ready. I've got the seat for it. - So that would be Crews Mahoney. - Yeah. (laughing) - Yeah, that's cool, let's have four seats. - I don't know if I could, I don't know if I could hold it together for that one. That would, that would be a lot. - You think Crews would like Zayl Love? (laughing) - Tall men from the couch to another couch. (laughing) And here we are, the superhero, the artist. - What movie would you wanna do with Crews? - Pride Proof of Life. (laughing) - You gotta get to be on that one. - No, movies are something else. - I don't think it can be. - You wanna fit? - It's so obvious, it's the re-cruising. (laughing) - Do the re-cruising with Crews? - Yeah. - I'm trying to think of what's in a movie that he talks about all the time that he loves. Like he's talked about the great escape a bit in the past, or how much he loves that. - What's a movie that is essential to you? I mean, he's talked a bunch about these inerie two movies that he loves so much. He's talking about a Maurice Paros now. I don't think we would be doing that on the rewatchable anytime soon. I'd love to. - It says that his favorite movie is Singing in the Rain. - That would be incredible. - Wow. - There's an article, "You won't trick Tom Cruise into naming his four favorite films." - Oh, right. - No, 'cause he was talking, you know what he loves? - He's a cinema diplomat. - Him and McCory love the Good to Bad and the Ugly. And the one's part of the time in the West. - And those are sick. - Apparently, he won't do that. Who does that letterbox? - He's like, "Tom Cruise, I can't, I love movies." - No, it depends on what I'm doing. Am I just watching one scene to be inspired or am I hanging out on a Sunday afternoon, you know? - Yeah. He, I don't know. He sees a lot of movies. He's still, that's his whole thing. He's like, "I'm at the cinema. You're to see the Odyssey." You know, a lot of selfies of holding, like happily eating popcorn, love popcorn. - Cruise. I don't know if we could do cruise. - I feel like it's just, if you have cruise. - Spielberg's ultimately like a movie fan like us. - Cruise is like, I don't know how you would have a two hour conversation with Cruise. - It would be fucking incredible. - But what you want to do is just ask him questions for two hours. You don't want to be like, "What's your favorite scene "from this movie?" - Yeah, I feel like we're just like, "We're going to leave the weapon to you, Chris." Is it because they killed us South Africans? - He's like, "Chris, Chris, do it. "Do it. "Do it. "I'm not in the community." - I'm going to add in here the Dennis Peck relationship test for it. Could Dennis have broken up the main relationship? I think Dennis could easily-- - Wallace and-- - Yeah. - He's in there for sure. - He's in there for two seconds. - Yeah. - I love short haircuts. (laughing) - Major wife, come. - You're grieving. You need to let something that grief out. (laughing) Oh my God. (laughing) The Ed Norton reverse dunk award for did this movie need a random sport scene? - I mean, it has one. - It has the soccer, but it need a scene with Henry in it. We talked about hockey. Is there a touch football scene where he starts to get a little-- - Oh, maybe he's like a middle linebacker and he draws a kid. - Yeah. - He takes Connie over the middle, just like Dixer. - Yeah. - Who would say, "Oh, can you run another touch football game?" (laughing) - All right, here we go. Pickin' Nets. God, I have so many. Sean, you want to start us off? - What the hell is David Morse's character doing in this movie? - What in what universe? After your wife dies and a boy has lost his mother, are you dropping him off somewhere and not spending time with him? - And going to Japan for two weeks. - What in the fuck? If this, I lean and I watch this movie together last night and I was like, "Honey, if you die, "I'm not dropping Alice off with someone." There's just no, I'd be like, Bill, I gotta take a couple weeks off from the pods, man. I think you'll understand. Like, this is crazy. - Had the same conversation with my wife. We were just like, how is this? - I think the fucked-up game is like, there's a bit of it where it's just like, is he kind of like, I need to like, get some me time, you know? - Could be, yeah. - Could be. - But it's not explained in the movie. - What do you have for a biggest impact? - So when Mark breaks away where he jumps out the window at the end to get to the cliff side, Davenport and Wallace are just like, "Oh, Mark, you got away from us." Then they just stop, they don't pursue, they don't like- - I have that as well. Isn't, why doesn't the dad show up at any point over the next five minutes? - And then she comes back from the cliff and is just like, yeah, you know, I had to choose between Mark and Henry and I dropped our son. So now you're down to, that's crazy. How did Wendy Kruzen explain to the cops how Henry died? - Right. - What did she say? - Isn't that like criminal negligence anyway? - Did she say like my son tried to kill me so I killed him? Like what is she? How did she explain it? - No, I think her and Mark get their stories straight for a split second. - He slipped out of my hand. I was trying to save him. - Yeah, that's true. - Henry and Mark were fighting. - They fell off, I was trying to hold them and obviously I wouldn't have wanted to kill my son, Henry. - The first and last shots of the movie are Mark standing on like a sand dune in the middle of like a national park somewhere in Arizona makes no one else around him. - Makes no sense. - Like what's he doing? - What are they starting to do in three? (laughing) - He's calling the sand words. - He's like doing the dances. - What about the investigation in Richard's death, a little boy? - What happened there? - Just, he drowned in six inches of water. - I have a. - I just think that there would just be, we're having a fucking emergency meeting. Richard's dead. The daughter got thrown under a sheet of ice. We've got new kid here who's just causing all this, like we need to just shut it down. We're not going to dinner. We're not just doing this old lady psychiatrist. I need like a bodyguard in here. Everybody is on like, is grounded. We're gonna figure this out. - Mr. Highway is definitely some sort of investigation. - Yeah. - It's like, first of all, very close to their house. There's not like a ton of people that live around there. The news report will say, the driver reports seeing two kids pushing something off a thing. - That's right. - So that's coming up. So these two guys are brothers, but their families have never hung out. Like, their cousins have never met 10-year-olds, like that, not one family vacation, nothing. - David Morse is always off to Japan. - Does he know anybody who lives in Arizona, you could. drop his son off with, like, what is it? What is going on? It's also the winter wasn't he in school? That don't address that. Yeah. No, they said it's Christmas break. Oh, that's right. So the movie only takes place in over a two week span. There's also no Chris. There's no Christmas decorations in the house, right? There's not a Christmas tree. Oh, it's a tree. It's very it's this is not a holiday movie. It's even less summer holiday moving than diehard. Yeah. Um, at one point, the dad says, what a hall 11 states in three days. Where are you coming from? From Arizona. I did this 38 states. You can actually do the drive and it's like six states, I think, like is the quickest route of the time machine. No, no, I mean, like, I don't know how long it takes for him to drive it, but it's just not that many less states than you'd think they have date night. Little Richard has died in six inches of bathtub water and their sons of serial killer and they're like, no, baby sitter. It bothered me that they were eating soup while talking about going out to dinner Yeah. I was like, what are you you're having? Maybe they don't trust the restaurants. Probably not a lot of them. Yeah. Yeah. I had some questions about the safety situation at the skating pond. It's just roped off just to just to rope off, but anybody could have. Yeah. That was a tour there. I had that in most 1993 thing about this movie, too, where I was just like, yeah, you just like go skating in an insanely dangerous place. I mean, that is like every 80s and early 90s water park or event or, you know, action park kind of place where you're just like, we should probably should not be here. Yeah. And the guys somehow don't fall in the ice as they're trying to save Connie. How's weird too? I didn't understand any part of this. Why did they not go to the part where she fell in to fish her out? They only go to the part where the ice is more solid and they have to ax it out though. It's just another like just like Wallace and Wendy Crucind ever have a conversation where they're like, hey, have you ever been in Henry's treehouse or the shed? The shed is the bigger one. She enters the shed, sees a crossbow, keeps walking, finds a rubber duck. That's the problem. Yeah. Does it say a word? What is this military grade crossbow? But she probably thinks it's Wallace's to like ward off wild animals or something. We don't get any report on the dead dog. Like something in the neighborhood is like, hey, somebody shot and killed my dog. He doesn't know it's in the well. That's right. My dog is missing. This is the big one. This made my wife really upset. So Connie almost dies is in the hospital. We assume still in the hospital in the end of the movie. Both parents are home. Yeah. Just nobody's at the hospital. Connie's just lying in bed, like with the fuck at room Oak control. She's like seven. Is it one of the parents there at 24 seven? What are your favorite tropes and movies is when like somebody is like, it's okay. You should go home and get some rest. It's like my child is like my wife. Yeah. Nobody is leaving the hospital. If that almost happened to Alice. If you have any hospital, be like, yeah, let's go home. We're getting more reservations. They love to do this at movies though. I like when Henry leads the hospital room and he goes, let her know I was here. It's just you in the hospital. It's a notification. It's like a seven pm has opened up. You know what? We're not doctors. What can we do for? That's why at the beginning of the pot, I was like, this movie is trash. Like it is really trashy. I love it. But because once you start getting into this stuff, it's so poorly constructed. However, it's very fun and entertaining. Yeah. That's why we love from hell. You got to get the parents out of the house. I get it. Like you can't have them always be there because Henry needs room to cook. I also love when something like that happens to a character and they run to the hospital and the guy says, they said she's going to be fine. Yeah. It's like, she's under water for about two minutes. Let's give it a week. I would say she remembers her name. She's not going to Caltech, but she'll be fine. You really hooked on, like she definitely has brain deafness. Yeah. She's fine. Quince is going to be fine. You know, the next day marks no worries. It'll be three minutes of that accident. It should be fun. Also, no witnesses for Henry just whipping her toward the dangerous 158 people there. But if that would, what would it happen? Would it just been like a Henry had her and let go of her? You know, and he could just be like, it was an accident. But sequel prequel prestige TV, all black cast are untouchable. I think this is a pretty good prestige TV Apple eight episodes that I hope they don't do. It is, but like by the third episode, you'd be like, somebody's got to be like, what's going on with this kid? He keeps murdering people. Yeah. We wouldn't have any of the picking nits because they would just spend eight hours like answering all the questions and stuff like that. So backstories with the marriage. Yeah. Why haven't Wallace and David Moore's talked, but this movie is also the length of one episode of prestige television. So true. Yeah. You, you, you're four years, he's a finale. It was 15 minutes longer. Is this movie better than Wayne Jenkins for you? The floor is saying low, Robert Everett's Dr. Charles Nichols are someone else. Henry man, do you are standing on the ledge? You've drowned Richard. You've killed the neighborhood dog. Nearly did Connie on a frozen pond. The body count grows. But what's next for you, man? After building your nail gun and terrorizing your immediate family, what does you? Why is why is he talking to Henry? Is Henry in studio? Yeah, he's flying to me. No, Henry, in the piece of my studio, and Zane is standing at the console. The Zane's flying to Maine for this. Yeah. There's no question. The waves lapping against this show line, Henry. On location, Zane. Just one asker who gets it. McCulley Cogan. Yeah. So what an air word would happen the next day I wrote down. Honey, bad news. I dropped Henry to his death because we lost another one. I brought Mark going back to Arizona and leaving that family destroyed in Maine as hilarious. Yeah. And it's just like, see you guys later. Andy Curson, Wallace, and a fucking kid with scrambled eggs for brains. He's like, I'm out. I got a date in the desert with myself. Just talking all over. No one's watching him and he's like standing on the mountain top. The bad news. Connie has to repeat. The fuck is happening. Bad news. Connie has to repeat the fourth grade again. Third time of the picture. Yeah, Connie. She lived through the lake. She had to eat through a straw for years. Probably an answer by questions. Was Henry's mom a murderer? It's a good one. Could that have been an involuntary manslaughter church? I think it's become clear that the rock harbor police department is not in lead in investigating these issues. It's a good point. So I feel like she's probably getting away with it. I got two for you. Yeah. Did Mark's dad nail the Tokyo deal or what? Great one. Two weeks. Was that keeping him up at night? Or was he just like, he's just like, he got it. He's bringing Hyundai's to Arizona earlier. And then what's Mark's dad's relationship with his brother like after this? So the whole drop in Mark off thing didn't really work out great for you. To not to be a different kind of drop off. They were estranged before. They're even more strange. Yeah. You think it's just like we're just never going to talk again. Feels like it. Feels like it. I think like the lingering question is so Henry is just evil. Like is he evil or is he a sociopath? Well, the mom can say like Henry did tell me he murdered Richard. Yes. Yes. Yes. I do think the 86 minute movie is missing a scene in the first 40 minutes when she's in Richard's room or something. Like you need to see the light clicking that she deep down things. She's like, this is never sat right with me. Yeah. And I don't think they ever really accomplished that one moment where she's like, I think the mom would know. Yeah. Then there's also like, I do like the fact that they come back to it a couple of times that Mark thinks she's the reincarnation of his mother. Yes. I love that idea. Yeah. Yeah. And that's how he taunts Henry a little bit by saying my mom. She's my mom. She's my mom. Yeah. You can make the case that Mark is the best thing that ever happened to that family because if Mark doesn't go to Maine, Connie dies. Yeah. And maybe the mom we don't know whether Mark's introduction into the family accelerates Henry's. She already captured. Yeah. But maybe he was like, now that I got him out of the way I'm good, you know, like, I'm the only son we can focus on my hockey. I got my eyes out. We're good. Henry, Henry was like, how he rose from now. He was preparing for this moment for years. That's right. He'd been building Mr. Highway. He'd been building the nail gun. He was just ready. Sure. He was ready for this. I see you're very concerned about this. Yeah. He's definitely concerned. What was your other and answerable question? I did the both of them did Mark's deal in Tokyo go through and what's Mark's relation Mark's dad's relationship with this brother. The memorabilia most want or not want from this. I think you got to get Mr. Highway sitting with us here. So Mr. Highway was here right now. Yeah. Pretty fucking funny. It's got to be you Spielberg, Anthony DeBundo, Mr. Highway. John's two rewatchables. I love that. He's the AJ Hawk for the rewatchables. He just sits there. That's great. To Mr. Highway camp. It's just on him all the time. What do you do? Mr. Highway Zayn Loaf. - For you. - Take it. - Coach Finstock, Mr. Miyagi. Best, worst life lesson. Once you realize you can do anything, you're free. But Henry's telling us. - Pretty true to some extent. - I would say just pay for the sitter. - Yeah. - Don't let your son who may have already killed one of your other sons, take your daughter ice skating. - Yeah. - Maybe it's a good one. - Good note. - Best double feature choice. I have Mikey. - I would watch Mikey first, then good son. - So there is a, there is like kind of prevailing theory around home alone that, you know, Kevin is really the villain of the movie. - Right. - Like he is like the demon of the film. And so just pairing those two movies together is pretty funny, I think. - I probably go bad, see, just because it pulls so much forward. - And Culkin wins a movie. There's a decent Elijah Wood case. - What? - But I think it's Culkin. - I think it's, it's just, for the limited amount of, like credits, the McCauley Culkin gets, this is such a crazy outlier and it's, it's, I think he wins it. - But because of that, I think the winner's Kit Culkin. - She's a shun. (laughing) - As fucked up as that is, I think he like kind of bold charged his way into being the shadow producer of the whole thing, forced his son into the project, forced his daughter into the project, and the movie was a big hit. - Should we add a new category is how would Kit Culkin have reshaped this movie? - He's like the David O'Sullsnic of the modern era. - Yeah. - Well, it's time, Craig had never seen this movie or knew it was. - Both kids were fantastic. I had very little fun watching this movie until the final battle. I reveled in Henry's death. (laughing) - Are you spending 90 minutes just in final destination for children? And this was a blast. And now I feel like going back, it'd be great. - Yeah. - But try to first watch, or like this is very little room to breathe. Every scene is like will a child die for 90? - Yes. But now, when you just don't take it as seriously and kind of live outside the movie, - It's the key to it from Hell Month. - Yes, you have to do it through a different lens. There's just less pulp in this movie than single white female or a hand that rocks the cradle. This one is pretty much like, every scene is like, is a kid gonna fall down a well? (laughing) - It's a harrowing movie. - Yeah. - It is, it is. - It's really fun. - I feel like you get it now though. - Oh, for sure. You can watch it a second time and have fun. - The unintentional comedy of this movie is off the charts. - That's what it is, it's just fun to talk about. - Yeah. - Because it's so ridiculous. - It's just remarkable that a movie can have so many obvious picking nits in 1993. And they're just like, oh, who cares? Like, I feel like you can't do that now. If you deliver the script, I mean, maybe for a movie that just like goes straight to streaming or something. But for a movie that is going in theaters with a big star, there's like 15 legitimate, ridiculous picking nits. And this, that any producer will be like, "Well, that doesn't make any fucking sense." - I think that there's just as many picking nits now, but like so much of that happens either in like, a John Wick style movie or a superhero movie that you're like, oh, yeah, I guess they went back in time to like, fix this flux capacitor thing or whatever. - Well, this is actually like, no, a cop would have seen this by now. - Part of the reason why I keep pointing back to the incredible level of craft is 'cause there's like, you know, a hundred people worked on this movie. None of them raised any of the notes about picking nits or if they did chit-kulk and like, overwhelmed them. But then there's like nine artisans who were among the greatest crafts people of their era. And they're like, I'm gonna spend 38 days of my professional life making this very stupid, but ultimately very well-made movie. - And no one was like, shouldn't Wallace be chasing Mark? It's like, and they're like, ah! Whatever. - It's funny thing is that's like one shot of like Wallace like running in the background. I mean, he should have like fallen in the well or something. - He's just doesn't chase him. - We didn't mention there was a cemetery too near them. Oh, yeah. - It really was like an all-time kid dead trap. - I mean, the final battle is elite. Like the way that shot, the camera goes up over them, is there hanging? It's pretty nuts. - It's a great scene. - Ruben cooking. - The good son from Hell Month is just cooking. - Is this it? Is this the last one? - No, we're gonna keep going. We might even go through the first part of July. - Wow. - So do you not consider 2001 a part of this week? - I think it's spiritually is 'cause it's computer from Hell. - Yeah. - And it was the beginning of June, but it's also one of the greatest movies of all time. - Yeah. - Little insulting to put it in a thing with the good son? - Yeah. - Yeah, that's fair. But at the same time, we could sneak it in. Sean Fantasy, Chris Ryan, thank you. - Thank you. - Thanks to Craig and Chris as well, and Eduardo. Back with from Hell Month next week. (upbeat music)