The Future of Aesthetics: A Cellular Medicine Approach

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It's going to be better. Well, I didn't mean anything, Mattie, if you're out there. So most of the time, I have the guests, bios, and I get to read all about them and I can be like, oh, this is Keith Marcus MD and he works in California, but no, you know who we have here today? We have our friends Keith and Kristen who are staying right next door to us right now and we said last night this morning, hey, why don't you guys come over and just do an episode with us. You guys have been patients with Docum Madison for a while. You've been members of the SSRP and we just spent a bunch of time in Hawaii together. So why stop the momentum? The iPad doesn't matter today. I'm going to ask you guys to introduce yourselves and ladies first, Kristen, why don't you tell us what you got to do full name credentials, who you are, where you came from, birth type mother's maiden name, mother's maiden name. Before we start, are you feeling that? What? That ring she has is fucking blind it. It's like, I made a comment about it in the pool in Hawaii. I was like, you better not lose that thing in this water. I always say second times a charm guys. I earned it. Okay, blind. My name is Kristen Najarian. I'm a nurse. I'm Keith's wife and together we have an aesthetic practice in Rdondo Beach in Manhattan Beach. What else? Anything else? Whatever you want to say about yourself. Is it on the beach? Do you have a view of the beach? We're about a block from the beach. So there's no view. In my 18 years there, I've walked to the beach about three times from work. Okay, we need to correct that. When you say it in my 18 years there, let's say who my is, who are you? So I'm Keith Marcus. I'm a facial plastic surgeon and I've been in practice for now 18 years. But we have a practice which is very diverse. So we do clinical FDA trials. So we do research. I do a lot of teaching and lecturing much like Dr. Seeds in a very different capacity though. I do surgery and then I have a non invasive practice with things like neuromodulators and fillers and lasers. It's all the stuff that we talked about at the mastermind, Dr. Seeds. You know what I noticed? In her intro, she proudly mentioned how she was his wife but he didn't say anything about her. Just let me hang her. Oh my gosh. And I just got blown up. That is a little bit bigger. Thanks, Matt. You need to jump back in there. So and I am joined by my fabulous, lovely, beautiful wife. There you go. There you go. There you go. I real quick first question on the spot review. What did you guys think of the mastermind? You've been members of the SSRP for a while now. You were with us at peptide world congress and joined us for that was your first mastermind with us, right? Yeah. Maybe what are you explaining before maybe we should explain what a mastermind is as opposed to other things we do or. So everything in the SSRP, if you want to just truncate it down really quickly and be reductive, we essentially have five levels of training. We have foundational training. That includes things like our annual event, our peptide world congress. We have some more advanced training and most of that's going to be in a digital format only. It all then leads to our certification, which is the midpoint of our journey. Then it starts to open back up into specialties again. So for example, we had a mastermind in Q1 here, which was aesthetics focused. Then I would say that our toughest offering and I say toughest just because people ask questions and you're asking questions and you get really down into the root cause of it, but it would be our grand rounds really going into patient specific root cause approach treatment plans. So is that a good summary? Yeah. So if the five levels we were at a level four, we were at a mastermind event, which is you lecturing for about two and a half days and yeah, what'd you just say? I mean, I thought it was incredible. And I think being here on the tail, that is really fun because we're in an aesthetic meeting at the same hotel in which you stay and I live. And I think our understanding is just growing. We're new to this. You know, it's been a couple of years of our foray into this not new to aesthetics. Right. No, new to the cellular medicine and wanting to integrate that into the practice to get better patient results. And every time, and I don't know how you do it being on stage for days at a time, it really, it is, it's incredible. Because I have fun. It's a passion. It's hope it shows. I mean, I could do that non-stop. It does show. It does show. I could talk forever. We know. But if I didn't need, if it was, if we didn't have to have these damn slides and be amazing, right? It's always competing against my slide. I'm like, I don't want to talk about that, but I guess I wrote that. So I should talk about it. And then it's like, well, really, what does that slide me? You know, it's, don't worry. There was plenty of rabbit holes. But I think it's helping me understand aesthetics more. Would I, would I really admire about what you've done? You've kind of taken, I think, what, you know, a clinical practice and then went back to the basics of what we learn in medical school and just dove in. And so I'm relearning some basic science and medicine that you forget about and why the body's working and doing what it does. And I don't think there's anyone out there like this that's doing the same thing. And I am slowly taking things and learning more. And it's the first time in years that I've been so excited about learning again. Yeah, it doesn't bring back. It's, it's kind of a, I always, I kind of bring it back to why you were excited to go to medical school, why you're excited to become a healthcare provider. And, and it's all sucked away from you. You don't go down those paths of, of those mechanisms and molecular pathways to, to, because that's where you think you're headed, right? They, they kind of fool you in medical school and, and they don't, they don't take advantage of, of that, building that knowledge base because you end up building the most incredible knowledge base of any end of that any individual can have because you have all these amazing teachers that are, you know, that are focused in, in different aspects of, of their PhD fields that they're teaching you and they're putting it together for you, but you can't take it anywhere because nobody's taught you how to do it. And it's a shame. It's, it's a, it's a, it's a travesty because now, but it's a travesty that it's occurred and it's been happening for 30, 40, 50 years, but things are changing and it's exciting. That's what gets me excited when I see you guys get excited about learning again and excited about knowing it's common sense to you when you see these changes, when, when you see these cellular level changes that can absolutely correlate to what you're doing and how you can, and you, you set it improve patient outcomes. I mean, oh my god, that's, that's the holy grail of what we do and you're just in the midst of, of like starting to put these things together and it just gets exciting, right? Because you, you're, and especially on your side of it because you're on the surgical side and you're on the non-surgical side and so you have this incredible advantage of being able to utilize these tools. in so many different ways, as I kind of threw some of those things at you at the mastermind. - Sure. - Right? And it gets you thinking. It gets you thinking in different ways that you hadn't thought about before. And it allows you to be that master of the destiny of these patients that you've so desperately try to control. - You know, I just, so thank you for saying that. It means a lot to me because I work really hard on trying to get a message to people about this. It's like a language and you guys have just jumped into it like full-board. I'm like, and so when I see you at a meeting like that, I'm like, "Oh my God, I don't know if they're ready for what's coming." - We're not. - We weren't ready. It's like learning Spanish. I mean, I, Kristen's the one that really, she's the one that found this passion and then introduced me to it. And I'm so, so thankful for that because I do see this being something long term that is a part pivot of my practice. And it's not the practice is changing. The practice is integrating something new. And I love that. - Doing something better. - Mm-hmm. - Doing it a better way. - You know, we're always focused on root causes, right? And I feel like the best way to kind of understand why that pivot occurred is to go back to the beginning. So, coming out of med school, you said you've been doing this for 18 years. Why did you pick the journey you're on? Bring us back to the, bring us back to the beginning. - So, it's funny. It's, and Doc, you can probably attest to this. But the journey picks you. So, when you get in med school, they tell you, okay, you're going to figure out what you want to do. And it's either you're going to be a medicine doc or a surgeon, right? And it's cut and dry. And I remember the first time I realized I was a surgeon. It was a gunshot wound. I was trained at county hospital. And I'm a medical student. And they're like, go ahead and take the bullet out and put in the tin. And I put it in the tin. They're like, no, no, no, no, no, no. Grab it. And I'm like, what's going on? Grab it with the four steps. And they put the tin down here and they're like, drop it. It's like, ting, ting, ting, ting, ting. They're like, you're a surgeon. And it was like, it really was the light went off. I'm like, they could see I loved it, right? And so from there, you figure out what type of surgeon, what kind of like floats your boat. And I liked head and neck surgery. I loved the face. The anatomy to me is the just, it's the most amazing confluence of nerves, muscles, tissue. And it's what you can't hide. And so I ended up going into that surgical field. And from there, you know, I love the aesthetic patient. I like people that are doing things to build confidence. Everybody thinks it's vanity. Only five to 10% of our patients are vain. People want to feel better about themselves. And I always looked at it from outside in and now I'm starting to look at this from inside out as well. Exactly. Exactly. So at what point then did this become a family business? Where does the Mrs. get involved here? Yeah, where did you get involved? Oh, you got involved. Oh, you want to know that? Oh, that's a whole other part. Oh, my goodness. See Mrs. I want to hear your side. Oh. Yes, so you said you're a nurse then coming out of nursing school. Yes, you're right. Yeah, I'm a new nurse. I switched careers. I was going through a divorce and a friend of my new Keith. And I was looking to get back to work. I had a young daughter at the time. And she was like, you know, you should meet with this doctor. He's a great guy. So we met and I was basically desperate for any job at this point. And he was like, well, how do you feel about clinical research? And I was like, I don't even know what that is. But I can learn anything. Just give me a chance. So at that point, he had his first clinical trial. I came on as a coordinator part time. No idea what I was doing. Another time I was in over my head. And we ended up growing the clinical research department. We've done multiple studies. I became full time and loved it. And that's kind of when I realized, OK, I love this field. I love what I'm doing. But you kind of max out as a coordinator. How do you take this to the next level? Work with patients more closely. So that's how I decided to go to nursing school, like a crazy person. I did a nix. So you were a clinical coordinator before you were a nursing? Yeah. Oh, that's awesome. So you were motivated by the practice, motivated by the-- Yeah. And the patients, I love to see what I loved about clinical research is you get to see what works, how it works, and really how a patient responds and feels. Because you're the one interacting with that patient, at all the follow-up visits. So I loved it. And then I went to an accelerated nursing school program, which was insane. Brutal. Brutal. Yeah, I'm sure. Wow, I love that journey because you got some incredible exposure to being involved in running any type of clinical trials. So I think a wonderful side to be on in medicine, because you're in a practice. It tells you a lot about the practitioner, tells you a lot about what their focus is in-- Very intense. --and it will be more evidence-based. And being more-- you're doing things to-- I mean, if I'm a patient, and I'm out there looking at who are my providers, and I know that there's this type of practice out there, this is the person I'm going to, because they're focused on me. They're trying to improve outcomes. So he's already in that arena with what he's doing with his clinical trials. So that's really great that you got to be involved in something. OK, yeah. And I think when you're talking to patients now on the other side is a nurse who provides treatments to patients. You have a different understanding and a perspective of products-- Absolutely. --and what to use, because you understand it from a different level, because you've seen them in clinical trials. And so I always tell them, I've seen what works and what doesn't from all doing all the research, so I can make a better, more informed decision on what's the best treatment plan for you. And sometimes, no disrespect to the leader here. Sometimes you get a little smarter in those areas, and he relies on you to, hey, put that together for me. So I have-- how do I say this? You collaborate. You just didn't run this. You collaborated. And that's-- and he gave you that. So it tells you a lot of how this developed. It tells me I'm just kind of thinking, OK, a lot of this keep progressing. When it became more of a partnership, because we really need that partnership and those trials. And I guess back to your question on how we ended up married. That's amazing. I guess that's kind of the love story at the same time. We fell in love going back and forth to research meetings. Yeah, a lot of investigator meetings being on planes and airports together, and just realized that we were very similar. And I was recently divorced. And so it just, like, I love connection. And it's great to have a partner at work who is also-- because we've got an office of almost 20. And someone that can almost see my blind spots, you're Madison. You're Matt, right? The blind spots pointed out to you that you may not see as the captain of the ship. And that's really nice work. I don't know. I was blind. Color blind. Oh. [LAUGHTER] Oh, no, that's it. But what a-- what an incredible-- I got a hand at you. You get matched up blindly. And instead of a first date, it's a, hey, I think this could work. Anyway, get to work. That's crazy. How did you pull that off? Yeah. And you're supposed to overregulate my partners? Go turn saying get to work. Yeah. This is the guy taking time off all the time. I'm like, we can't work three days a week. But I mean, it's just-- I'm going to add a day. You're going to add a day, you guys. We do that all the time. We add days. We're, what, 30 days in a week now? I don't know what you're looking at me for. Look at Madison off camera there. By the way, makeup looks great off camera. [LAUGHTER] But I've got a question for Doc. I love it. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. This is a podcast about them, not about Doc. No, I love it. I have no questions prepared. We kind of just audible this. And it's great. We have a lot of this. We'll see if we edit this. So there's a lot in aesthetics that's regenerative medicine, that's the hot topic. It's no longer things have gone away from the hyaluronic acid fillers towards regenerative capacities. And that can be things like nanofat, extracellular matrixes, polyelactic acid, calcium hydroxylapotite. And they all do something a little different. And I would love your opinion, because PLLA is like-- think of it as like a ground up suture-- spicules that are in the tissue, macrophages going and try to gobble it up. Spicules are too big. They become multi-nucleated giant cells, pyracrine signaling. And that eventually brings in fibroblasts to lay down collagen. You hope. You hope. Which doesn't. So here's an interesting side of that. A lot of people think that's the process, but. In reality, if everything's not right inside out, mitochondria, signaling, so forth, that fiberglass can't do its job appropriately. And what's happening is there's dysregulated collagen that's not the triple helix. It's not that it's more fibrous tissue. And that's where you see when you go in on these people that have had these things done and you've got it, you're lifting their skin up and you're like, holy shit, is this scarring and fiber? These are the discussions I've had with plastic surgeons to help them understand what's happened and why they need to be more vigilant, I think, and making their patients more aware of what they're doing. Is this making sense? Yes, and wait, hold on, because that just put a light bulb on. I watched you do it. Because this is a huge issue right now. There are two different sides. There shouldn't be, because we're on the right side. So just say that everything is right in the body. Will it lay down normal collagen and you go in and do a facelift and it feels like a normal plane? Yes. And if there's dysregulation within the body, it's going to lay down almost like more fiber scar tissue. Correct. And that's, remember, that's what happens with, and that's the million dollar question of procedures and then all of your representatives going back and actually learning the ideal person or what do we talk about getting them prepared for that type of surgery where things or getting them prepared for their procedures to take advantage of what they really can do in the right person because they can be amazing. Because now it's just, it's like light bulb goes off. So if I prep people properly, like no one's ever going to be perfect, but you prep them properly, is the scar plane going to be thin? So when I go into revision faceless, sometimes the scar plane is yeathic. You can't see nerve, you can't see muscle, you can't see fat. It's just scar. But if they're optimized and when you do a revision 10 years later, if there's a thin plane, it's a glide plane to actually dissect in and there's normal tissue still. And it makes all the difference what you're doing. Pre-op post-op, all the difference in the world because that's where, you know, that's where the accelerated healing is taking place after the surgery that you want to be the most diligent in having that patient in that ideal state of taking advantage of all of the steps of appropriate inflammation and resolving of inflammation. And if you don't understand the basics, and I don't mean this in a, don't take this wrong, but it's like, you're the guy and you're the commander. You should know the shit. It's like, why don't you have this knowledge base because it's only going to separate you from everybody else. And you ask the right, I know exactly where you're going with that. I was like, this is perfect because I, in the mastermind, I'm always ready for all of these type of questions because you can go down these great tunnels of information. That never came up, but we really didn't get, you know, you spend so much time on trying to understand the basics and just hope that people are already thinking. And so that tells me I did my job because you're already thinking that way. And you're at this course, you're already thinking that way. That's amazing. I was just amazing. I was too scared to ask a question at the mastermind. What got you thinking that way? We talked about the beginning. What caused the pivot? Why did you take what I assume was an already successful aesthetics practice? You're already doing trials and you go, this is the next step we need to take. That's a good question. I mean, better results, right? It's just better results. And honestly, our personal experience with you. I mean, I first started when I had torn my biceps and we got on a protocol of peptides. And my healing was expedited. Just, I mean, it was exponential from what I'm used to. And that was like the personal anecdote. Like yes, this works. And you're very data driven. Everything is research based. And I really appreciate that because you can look it and say, okay, well, here's the facts about it. Ultimately, it just comes. I want better results. I want to do things better if I can. And it's not about making money on this. It's not about, oh, we're cutting edge, jaw-von guard. We're doing peptides. It's about getting better patient results. And what was the first steps then into that? So you decide, like, okay, I've had a good personal experience. Let's actually start to implement some of this. What is? This is such a great question. I've never gotten to ask anybody this. What is that first step into that foray? Is it Googling something? Is it reaching out to a colleague? What is actually the nuts and bolts of starting to get into this? I mean, I think the SSRP for one, I mean, that's how we started. I don't think, I think we have a long way to go in terms of integrating more into our practice. It's hard in California. You know, we do. Which will change. Right. So we're not doing as much as I think we'd like to be doing for our patients or as much as we know we can do for our patients. We want to do it properly. So we believe in the sourcing. We believe in you need to do it right. So we've been spending almost two years prepping the practice. We're doing GLPs. But to do the other peptides, there's a lot surrounding this. I mean, of course, most people, in my opinion, in this may sound condescending, but they're not taking it seriously. They're not doing it correctly. I mean, you even look at any malpractice coverage in California. They all exclude something that's not FDA approved, which means people are putting themselves at risk. So I mean, it goes back as far as like, I needed to find a second malpractice policy to cover things like peptides, to create a god, hyperbaric oxygen. I want to do it right. I don't want to risk my practice, which is my livelihood. But I believe in this so much that I'm willing to pay for a second full policy so we can integrate it. So we're still babies here, and we're going to do it. We're going to do it the right way. And if that means doing it more slowly, so be it. Nothing wrong with slow and putting all the pieces together that build a foundation that is indestructible. That's what you're doing. I'm interested. So how did you hear about the SSRP? It was. It was. And Sanya's from Rennon. Is she from Rymosa? She's in her most. Oh, Rymosa, not Rennon. I get the name. That's why she doesn't text me about this. I don't know if I can even say how I know her originally. I guess I can. How did she just make someone do that? Okay, listen to this. So my first trial, Keith's the first-- And you know it's Sanja, not Sanja. No. No, I'm just saying that. I know she loves when you call her Sarja. Sorry, sorry, Sanja. Sanja. The first trial I ever did with Keith in over my head. I think the first trial I practice ever had. She was one of my first research subjects. Oh, that's awesome. And she, I think, she was in school. Anyways, she was a nurse practitioner at the time. We talked a lot. You spent a lot of time with those subjects. Sure, sure. We got to know each other, kept in touch after the trial. That first study meant so much to me because I learned and messed things up. And it was my whole life. And so anyways, we just had a connection through that, kept in touch. And then at some point when I don't even know, we reconnected and she was telling me all about the SSRP and you and peptides. I bought the book, Protocols 1, the Volume 1. I read that thing, I had no idea what-- anything on that pagement. And truly, that's what started it all. I followed you probably for a year, tried to learn. Then we saw you as patients, of course, and had the experience to understand kind of what are these things do. And so anyways, is that funny? So seeing you two and Sonia and the pool together, there was history there. It wasn't just people connecting at the meeting. I had no idea. Yeah, that's great. I didn't see anybody at the pool. Yeah, yeah, yeah. As you were sleeping, we took pictures with you while you were asleep. You were the catalyst for a lot of weird car rides with us. I think you need to be on this peptide. And I'm like, what are you talking about? Because she was reading the book. And she's saying, look at this. And I think that's where it all started. We're like, holy cow, look at all these different things this can do. And so I think having something, hearing something's nice, reading something's great, and then getting deeper and deeper in the backstory of it, how it works. How did you like? So it's great to be able to ask questions because we learn from our patients every day. And we take a lot of, so your approach coming in may, were you surprised at how we look a patient, our intake of how we say, "Okay, great. You come to us for a peptide, but guess what? It's a whole different story. I'm the cellular guy. The peptides were just a way to teach cellular medicine. It was a sexy thing for me a long time ago, and I thought, "I never knew it would be this what it is now." But it's all goes to educating you and to really what our structure is in trying to identify, like I said, phenotypes, what's going on, work backwards, and depth of knowledge in your patient. It's like looking at everything you can in the cell, and that's the secret. I mean, that's a secret sauce, right? Were you able to pick that up or you're like, "Oh my God, this isn't just a. " 27 tubes of blood later. That's a one-time start, right? Yeah, it's good. Yeah, it's okay. Yeah, it's very unfair to label you as a peptide person when you're really. It's okay. I deal with it. No, but I understand. The cellular medicine is entire body. You're looking at how everything is functioning, and almost is. I mean, I'm assuming for many patients, almost become their primary care, because you haven't feeling better. They've tried drugs, they've done everything, and you're optimizing their organ systems in whatever way it may be, but that cellular basis. Well, they start to learn that there's so much more. They may come to us for like a biceps injury, and then all of a sudden they're inducted into this whole thought process of a weight a second. This is interesting. This is doing better. It's their more. Is their more? Is their more? That's how we work. Is their more? How has integrating this into the practice started to not only affect your patients, but really impact you just as a provider? What have you seen? Do you want to take it or do you want me to? Go ahead. We haven't implemented as much as we like truly. But what we have, the interest, so what we have, the patients are incredibly happy, and the interest I get asked every day about this. I mean, and unsolicited. Right. And so there's a ground swell, and it is going to be something that you can't hide from. If you don't have some elementary knowledge of cellular medicine, you're going to be left behind. Absolutely. So, you know, we, I think over the next six months, will have a very different practice in the sense that a lot of our patients will be more optimized. We're not, we're still learning. We're not going to be the experts. So I'm not going to be taking complicated cellular cases, but I promise you that my pre-post procedure, surgical patients will be doing better. Yeah, but one, one note on that, right? I think you've done the right thing of just getting started. I think, I think you're discrediting yourself a little too much when you're like, well, never be the experts because that's one thing you say is that no one will ever be. Yeah, that's right. You know, you never, you never achieve anything by just planning the whole time. At some point, even if you are, even if the plan is perfect, you just got to get started. And it's not, it's not using patients as test cases. It's not saying like, oh, these people are all going to be my guinea pigs. That's just the nature of the beast of medicine when they all react to the same protocol a different way. Yeah. You just have to get started and see what works for people and what doesn't. And you've taken that first step, which is what prevents so many people from getting started. And I think that takes a lot of courage and you guys have started. You've taken a natural progression of where you were clinically based type of, you were doing these clinical trials where you had to do what? You had to inform your patients. You had to educate your patients. You were already doing it. And now you are going to the next level of where you're really educating your patient to this knowledge base of understanding what you're doing step by step. You know, doesn't that, I mean, that in itself a smarter patient improves your outcomes. And gets them close, right? It's a collaboration. It's a right. It motivates them to take care of themselves. And I think it is. It's a partnership. You know that. You're a surgeon. You can do a fantastic surgery. Someone doesn't take care of himself after. And you don't have an optimal result. You know, I tell people that story. Do you know, because people are like, Oh, how did he get into peptides? And sometimes I do a step prior. His whole patient optimization journey is over there, moving around, but it started with what you're talking about physical therapy when he worked in hospital. Within a year, you were already starting to see some of the same, because, you know, orthopedics, he was starting to see some of the same people over and over again. And he went to the board of the hospital and he's like, Hey, I'd love to be more involved, not only in the prep, but in their post care too, because I'm seeing some of these people. I know it's totally avoidable. Like, I want to follow them through their physical therapy. And he kind of got, you know, the classic pushback of like, you're the surgeon. Stay in the operating room. And then so he opened up seeds of pedics across the street. And he's like, No, I'm just going to do this myself. And to this day still has his physical therapy locations there around Cleveland. So that was like the optimization step before peptides is he wanted to have pre and post for exactly the reason. I mean, reviewing three doctors now, Maddie. Two doctors. Yeah, I was like, I'll take the doctor. So what is what are your next steps? And it sounds like we'll see you here in six months then since you said six months, you'll have a fair enough brand new practice. We'll have to hear all about that. Yeah, we'll come back. I think the the next step. So I mean, we're we're pretty much ready to go minus the sourcing for California. It's tricky. Once I can feel confident in my sourcing, we're ready, we're ready to launch. I feel from what we've learned and we have really we've spent time, you know, trying to learn about this in any way we can. And I feel confident at this point, starting people on certain protocols, peptides, talking about, I mean, it doesn't it's not just that, right? And we've talked about all the things like nutrition, resistance training, all that is a part of it, right? So it's not like I'm giving you big part of it, right? Yeah. Thymus and beta-formed BPC 157 to every surgical patient and then out the door. No, it's the education of here's the things we're going to do to optimize everything. And so once we get sourcing that we're comfortable with, we're ready to go. Stay tuned. Let's let's do it. Let's do it. Yeah, it's it's so it's just refreshing to continue to meet people like you that are just getting excited again about what they've been doing and and to take that to the next to the next level of, you know, education never stops and that's where I think we got we get very as healthcare providers, we kind of get we get robbed of that passion because of all of the other things that beat the heck out of you, you know, in the in this world of medicine and it's a shame because it's a it's a passion that that you need to drive you and to recapture that. And that's that is I think the number one driving force for me just hearing that from one person, that's all I need. And to continue to hear that is just means we're on we're all on the right path together. Gaining that passion back that we we so desperately wanted to follow and then it's just just kind of ripped away from you and you're just trying to survive out there and now you're you have control again, right? You're you're gaining you're gaining this knowledge base that no one can take from you and it's very unique because it's very hard. It's it's not an easy thing. It's not an easy like you're smart enough where you said, Hey, I just it's not a protocol. It's how do you use it? How do I use that knowledge base to make the most out of that? And that's where your patients, you know, that's where they gain the where they make where those differences are really seen and and you're right. There's nothing more fulfilling, right? Then then that seeing that process, you can't put a price on it. You can't it's it's all that knowledge it's gone into getting that result. And so where does that process, where does that result take place? Where can people find you? What's the name of your clinic? Marcus Medical. Pretty simple. Where is it based? So we have an office in Murdondo Beach and an office in Manhattan Beach. So yeah, that's that's where they'll find us. Magic happens. That's right. This is a this has been really fun again. It's it's kind of cool. It's going to come up with a name for it like a non iPad because audible is a sports term, but thanks for coming over here with us this morning. This is great. I'm glad you're having an honor. Very much appreciate it. Well, thank you for another episode of Redox Revolution. Look forward to seeing you again soon.