The FINNEAS Episode

♪ ♪ ♪ Phineas ♪ ♪ Stop calling me that, fear me and-- ♪ ♪ Phineas ♪ ♪ Phineas, Phineas, Billy Eilish ♪ ♪ His brother, but he's his own man ♪ ♪ He came from the water, now he's on the sand ♪ Landlocked Phineas coming at you next. Guys, I'm just letting you know. - Today-- - I've been cleaning those for you - and putting them aside. - Yes. I'm gonna get a little deeper. What do you mean? You're gonna go for the-- I'm just gonna be a deeper-- - The depth. - I'm just gonna be a lot deeper today than you're probably used to. What are you talking about? Deeper. Conversationally, I'm gonna dig deeper. I'm gonna pull a lot out of both of you, and I'm gonna pull a lot out of whoever comes here. That's good, 'cause I kind of need to be pulled out of. I wanna be the opposite. I wanna go full surface-level comic relief. - That's great. - Okay. What are you gonna do, Kristen? Kristen might go into cardiac arrest - because she has two numb arms. - I have two num-- - But you're never cold. - I have a numb-- - No, her arms are numb. - I know, but I have a numb hand. Anything I can do for you to make you feel better? Hey, you don't mind if I grab life by the claw, do you? Not at all. White claw. You know, this happens to be my favorite flavor. - Yeah? - You got anything else to say? - Yeah. - 2020. - Me and Phineas. - Huh. are writing a song together. Okay. We're writing, like, this, like, pop, like, up-tempo banger. - And. - Banger. he was about to leave, and I said, "I really was hoping we would make one of those, like, ballad songs, like, one of the ones you do that, like, rips your heart out, like, when the party's over." - And he's. - He said, "I gotta go. Next time." We started writing, and within 15 minutes, we wrote "Lonely." - And if we. - Wow. hadn't grabbed life by the claw. Really? Do you think that. - You almost didn't do it? - What do you mean, "didn't"? He was leaving, and we wrote a song in 15 minutes. And you talked about being at the top, and, you know, a whole deep conversation. - Yeah. - Oh. - Get in the fridge! - Gotta get. Go, go, go, go, go, go. - Oh. - Okay. - Hey! - What's up, boss? - Hey, Phineas. - Have a seat. I listen to every single thing you ever do, front to back. - Wow! - You be Phineas, I'll be Billy. - Let's go a little deeper. - Uh. He was like, "You're gonna die!" He can remember the whole song. - I'm blown away. - Falling in love with him. He was on "Glee." You've really buttered me up, man. - Kristen's very cold. Her first question. - I'm cold, and my hand is numb. - Uh-huh. - First question. - I don't know if you've ever had that. - A numb hand? - Like, I'm not kidding. These two fingers are fully numb. - Is it circulation? - Mine was last night. Both of my arms. I think I was having anxiety last night. - I feel so not anxious, so it can't be that. - Tell us more about that. - Your anxiety? - Do you ever get anxious? - Yeah, totally. - Do you have anxiety? Do you have depression? - I don't have depression, but I get anxious. - He wanted you to have depression, I think. - Just the way he says it. - He was. There was such a great time. - Do you have depression? - No, no, no, I just wanted to know. - I know. I'm joking. - You do have anxiety? We don't talk about anxiety. Yeah, I have anxiety. Like, pretty circumstantial, but yeah. Yeah, I've got some angs. What are the circumstances that will trigger it? - Um. - STD? Well, I grew up with, like, crazy separation anxiety. - Like, crazy separation anxiety. - What if your parents are together? - Yeah, yeah. - What does it mean? - Not parental, marital. - Oh, just you. - Just me separating from my parents. - Oh, really? - Yeah. - So, did you, like, sleep in bed with them when you were young? - Yeah. - Aw, I did that with my mom. - Isn't that the best? - Yeah. - Do you know what I used to do with my mom? - What? - Oh, is that yours? - Do you want anything else to drink? - Is it a twist? - Oh, good. - Oh, wow. Look at that. - Cream, sugar. - This is great. Thanks for offering it for me. - Hell yeah. Rock and roll. - So, my mom would. She would just, like, draw a line in the sand, and she'd be like, "You're not sleeping in my bed." And I just wanted to, and I felt scared or something. So, I would take my pillows and blankets, and I'd sleep right outside of her door. - Aw, like a dog. - I don't. That's so sad. To me, that's. - Sad. I thought you were gonna be like, "Me, too!" - No, no. My mom let me sleep in bed with her. - How late were you sleeping in the bed? Like, what age? - Probably, like, nine. - That's cool. - Yeah. Not young. And I was still breastfeeding until I was, like, nine, too. - No, you weren't. - I was nine. - She pissed the bed until she was 14. She wore diapers. - As a parent, it's hard to know when to pull that. - Diaper off? - That. Just change the game. Like, we have a friend who I won't name who is probably very. Whatever. Let the story unfold. And we have a friend. - We'll go a little deeper on that. - Yeah. So, we. - I don't even. I haven't. - Yeah, you'll find out. You're gonna know it. - I can't wait. - You're gonna recognize it. We have a friend who has a son, very loving relationship, like, little boy, mother, and she said she realized it was time to start changing the game when she was changing in front of him, no pun intended, and he said, "Wait. Do it slower." - Oh, yeah, yeah. - Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. - And she was like. - Do it. - Do it slower. - And that changed the game. - Do it slower. - Crazy. - Wait. - Anyway, growing up, it's crazy separation anxiety. - Oh, yeah. - Was Billie like that, too, or no? - I don't know. - Or you can't remember. -. how she would diagnose herself, but, like, for me, it was like, oh, I didn't really want to, like. Like, I never wanted to, like, sleep over at a friend's house. - Yeah, that took me a while. - If my parents would. I was also, like, convinced that my parents were gonna die all the time. - Yeah, for sure. - Yeah, same. - Wait. Did you have. Did you have any, like, rituals that you had to do to ensure that they didn't die? - I didn't really have. I know you've had this. - Yeah, he did, too. - And did you have this, too? I didn't have, like, the OCD component of that, but, man, I was, like. If my parents were like, "Okay, we're gonna go out and see a movie, and you're gonna be watch. " Even if it was, like, my friend's mom watching me, I'd be like. I'd be like, "They're gonna die." - Yeah. - It was, like, so stressful. - I relate to that. - Do you still have that, a little, or no? - Like, a little. - Yeah. - You do? - Of course. - I have that. When somebody doesn't pick up, and I'm like, "They're dead." - Really? - Oh, yeah. - Or, like, when you're going to sleep at night, and you start thinking, like, "I guess life is okay. Things are going well." And then I instantly am like, "Oh, my God. I bet you my parents are, like, dying right now." I went to therapy for it. Have you ever considered.? - I went to therapy. Okay, so, do you guys know the movie "Spirited Away"? - Of course, it's one of my favorite movies. - Okay, so, as, like, a six-year-old. - Seriously? - Oh, it's unbelievable. - Okay, it's, like, the same filmmaker. It's, like, anime. It's made by, like, the guy who did, like, Totoro. - "No Fate." You've never seen "No Fate"? - I don't. - You've seen, like, images from it. Even if it's just, like, on, like, internet mood boards and shit. - Why don't I connect with anime? - No, no, this is different. This is, like, one of the great. - Yeah, it's definitely not "Naruto" or. - Yeah, it's, like, one of the great movies. Like, I put it in the list of, like, top 100 movies ever. - Subtitles? - Probably, like, early, early 2000s, maybe late '90s. In, like, the first 10 minutes of the movie, this is how the movie starts. Family's on a road trip somewhere. The daughter is anxious, like me, like you. And the parents are very dismissive of her feelings. They're, like, "Ah, let's pull over here to take a rest." They pull over. Empty Japanese town with food everywhere. Freshly cooked. No people. - Yeah, like, delicious food. - Beautiful town. Lights on. - Spooky. - Spooky food. Yeah. And the parents are, like, "Let's eat!" And the daughter's, like, "What are you doing?" And they're just, like, "You're. You suck." Like, the parents are so dismissive of the girl, and she starts walking around the empty town while her parents are, like, eating food that they have no idea the origin of. And they're eating all this food, and she's walking around, and it starts to get dark, and she's, like, "I'm gonna go back." And she goes back to where her parents are, and she's, like, "Mom, Dad," and their backs are to her, and they turn around, and they've become pigs. - Ah! - Ooh! - And she's, like. - Ooh. - And the pigs get, like, wrangled by, like, a farmer or something. It's very frightening. And at six years old, this was, like, the last straw. - - That set you over the edge. And I went to, like, a child psychologist. - Oh, because of the movement, basically. - Because I was so riddled with, like. I was, like, we'd go out to eat with my parents, and I'd be, like. Like, I'd be, like, afraid they were gonna turn into pigs. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Oh, man. And then we went to this. My parents took me to, like, a child group therapy thing, and, like, three of the kids were, like, spirited away is the reason. - Wow! - It was just scaring kids so bad. - It's so good. - Yeah. - We gotta watch it. - I know that I. 'Cause I had OCD about my parents dying, and I had to do all these rituals, and it became very burdensome to be my parents and have to do the rituals. It took, like, so much time. - They still do them with you. - I know. There's one that I still have to do. - What do you do? - I have to kiss both of them. If I'm with them, if we're sleeping in the same house, I have to kiss each of them. - I kiss them right in the middle. - On the lips. No. Right in the middle of their cheek, but, boy, does it have to be the middle. - - So, if you miss, try again. - I miss. - Let me. - And don't you have to see a heart? - Yeah, so I. So, for step one, it has to be right in the middle, and it's. When I get it the first time, - it's like, "What a relief." - Yeah, that's so easy, yeah. It takes so many attempts a lot of times. Then I. When I get that, I say, you know, "I love you. Be safe. Good night." And then I walk away, and I envision their face in a heart. And, anyways, they sent me to a counselor 'cause it was getting so bad, and I basically made up this deity that I called the Spirit Chief that, like, looked like Moses, and he, like, was in the clouds, and I was just, like. It always just turned into more and more and more, and then I went. They forced me to go to this thing, and I said, "Look, uh. "I don't know what to do." Woman. I mean, look. - Doctor. - Bitch. No. Mrs. I forget her name. I said, "I know that everything I'm doing is completely irrational, illogical, and I know that I shouldn't be doing it." She was, like, a child psychologist? Yeah, my. They made me go. They said, "If you go, you're on the track to getting a cell phone." And they said, "If you give up this thing altogether, you do get a cell phone." So I went, and I just basically said, "I know that it's illogical." I just said, "It's just not, like. It's not worth it to me to stop doing it." Like, it's just not worth it. - The risk. - Yeah. If they die, I don't want to deal with it. And then it got so overwhelming that one day I just. I was in the shower. I broke down crying. I said, "I can't do it. Enough is enough. They die, they die. I woke up, no one died, and I got my first cell phone. Nice. Yeah. But so that was the big ritual, like the tapestry of rituals, but we've kept a couple of them. We've kept the kissing on the cheek. I saw that. What are you going to do? What are we all going to do when the day does come? When they die? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Let me ask you a weird question. Sure. I was so afraid of being orphaned. Huh. Really? I didn't want my parents to die for a myriad of reasons, but a big part of it was like, I want to be an orphan. Wow. I never even thought about that. That was a big fear. I never thought it wasn't mine. And I'm going to go to, and in my head it was like some gray orphanage. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Was it another movie that, did you see like Annie too many times? I probably saw it. That's probably part of it. Maybe it's not like Mike with that one. You were influenced by what you, I had this with, I had a very, did I tell you this already? A really weird thing with being the only child. Were you the only child? No, but I wouldn't. I would not go when I was younger. I wouldn't go with my, if my brother couldn't come like out to eat, I wouldn't go because I didn't want the other restaurant people to think I was an only child. I love that. And didn't you, didn't you make up that you had a sister and you would talk to her on like your walks home? I think that's, a lot of kids do that. Yeah, made up children. Yeah, like I would always be like fighting with my sister, like walking home from the bus. Like fucking. Anyway, my parents. Maybe don't go that way. My parents are still alive as are yours, as are yours. You have very young parents. Very old. Not very old. How old are they? My dad's about to be 70. Yeah, young. Oh, that's our parents' age. Yeah, but I'm not 30 yet. Like my dad had me when he was 40. Yeah, yeah, I forgot. I always forget. You come off, like you look like a young boy, but you come off like you're like 45. How old are you? 28. Wow. You are so full of youth. Thank you. People think that I'm 28. Wait, I've known you. You look 28. Thank you. One person. I've known you since you were 18. That's crazy. How did you guys meet? The first time I met you was at The Echo. You came to see a show of ours at The Echo, which was like our very first time playing. I thought we worked before then. Did you care that he was there or not? Yeah, yeah. I was very effusive about Benny being there. So my Benny origin story is you come into Billy's show at The Echo, and I was like, you're amazing. That was our first show, right? Yeah. Yeah. I was like, you're amazing. So, you know, so inspired by your work, whatever. Like I always try to be very honest about stuff. I don't try to be like, nice to meet you. Were you guys like talking online? Mm-mm. No. No. There was a- That John or Sam brought you. They like just signed Interscope, or something. And I think she was about to put out her first EP, or that was like, or she just put out her first- She just, she had just put it out. Yeah. And then- It was like summer 2017. Yeah, and she was 13 or 14? She was 15 maybe, but so young. So they were like, you gotta work. And I didn't hear any of the music yet. Yeah. And then I was like, I trust you guys. I'll just go to the show. I went to the show, and like, you know, it was like half industry, half fans. And there was, everyone that was there was singing all the words to the song. Yeah, it's always jarring. And I was like, how? How the fuck is this happening? And it was like, the Echo's small. It was like 200 people. It's really small. And it was like, and then, yeah, I saw, I, that's my- That's how we met. Yeah. Did you have long hair back then, or no? No, short. Long hair is so good for you. Thanks, man. Don't you think? Like, I want my hair to fall. Wait. I do. Can I tell you something so crazy? I was like doing some organization in like my old hard drives, and like putting stuff together, and like making a new master hard drive. Yeah. And I saw- I love that. I hate that. I love that. I hate that time. I hate that time. Some hard drive organization. Yeah. I just love- Like, things have gotten out of hand, and I just gotta reprioritize, and like, we just create a new baseline start. And I like, like, sound organization, and I like all the folders and everything. And I remember, I saw her thing, and I was like, I was like, why are there so many ideas? What did we do? I didn't even remember. Spit it out. I just remember it was like a total wash, and Billie, like, didn't want to be there. Had like her legs up in the- Billie hates that shit. Yeah, and I was like, I also realized that Billie was, you realize, how young she was back then. Like, it was like wrangling. Yeah, how was- When did she- She was probably 14 or 15. She was like maybe 15 when we were working with Benny. It was like so young. And that was like after she was already- It was already- Her first EP was already like doing really well. We were- The days we were like in the studio with you were like right when Lovely came out. Yeah, yeah. It was like already- She was already like doing very well, but she was like a child. And they didn't- They didn't- I remember like- I never do. Like, Phineas grew up being like stoked by my music. He was a producer. He like loved my music. Like, Billy- Billy like obviously listened to my stuff, but like couldn't give two shits like about like- At the time, like she was like- Like, thought like it was cool enough to like get in with me, but like did not care. Well, she liked you. Like when we hung out just like in your kitchen, she was like, I like Benny. He's funny and like I like him. But she just didn't like- She also didn't like- She didn't like making- That's what I'm saying. Music at the time. She didn't? No, I feel like everybody likes different parts of the thing. That's my- I don't really like- I don't like touring. I don't really like- You don't like the performance part? Not really. I'm definitely not swept away when I'm on stage. I'm focused and like trying to do a good job and judging myself the whole time. And I come off and if somebody's like, great job. I'm like, was it? I have no idea. I really don't know. I was like trying. I was- It's very analytical and sort of like- I hate it. Exhausting? I don't like performing. Oh, I like- I hate any- But certainly being on tour, I hate. But aren't you- I mean, you guys are going all over the world, aren't you? Yeah, but you don't have time to do anything. Yeah, I guess- And then once you start getting famous, you really can't do anything. In my head, it's such a romanticized, like you get off the bus and it's like a beautiful- But Billie loves that. Billie loves being on tour. She loves playing shows. She's very in it on stage in a show. And that's not as much my bag. Did you know- This used to be true. I don't know if it's still true, but for the first like two albums, do you know any song that Post Malone wrote was released? There were- Any time he finished a song- Nothing unfinished. It was released. That's crazy. Yeah, yeah. So most people like- Think of all the songs I've made that have never been released. Well, I think you're kind of abnormal, right? Not like- So for me- You have like 100 songs. I'd say 94% of the stuff I make in a year does not see the light of day. See, that is a game of- That's a hard game. Being a producer, co-writer. But you have to be- That's a hard game. But you have to be- That's why like we all have pretty good batting averages. Because you can't just release- Remember how when I play you stuff and you're like, oh my God, that's amazing. Yeah. Well, it is. It's like, yeah, but you just have to be like- Discerning. I just am like, I don't want something to come out unless I'm so proud of it because it's going to be there forever. If I don't feel productive every day working, like aren't you sometimes like, what the fuck am I doing? But I do feel productive doing that. I went in and I did. Yeah, that's true. And sometimes like you'll take- Sometimes I'll make a song and then like six years later I'll like sample it and then that'll become a thing. Or like I'll- I'll re- Some of my songs are like, I was going to say with him, okay, so I opened up those sessions this year. Yeah. And this was, okay, this was when they were 15. When did Billie's second album come out? How old was she? Her second album came out, she was like 19 or 20. Okay. I'm listening. In that first session, you had- You were playing a version of what became Hayley's Comet. That's right, yeah. In that first session. Yeah. And that was like- Kick it around and kick it around and kick it around. Kick it around. Yeah, you just like- It's like Good Guy. Did you? I've been working on this one song for so long. Just a song called Good Guy. I've tried it probably 20 times, 20 different beats. Yeah. The concept is that like I'm a good guy. Right. And like I kind of just go explain why. Like kind of over a juxtaposing beat that you wouldn't, that you wouldn't normally reserve for a different topic. It's never cool. But yours, but it's gonna, it's gonna eventually land. I'm starting to doubt I'm starting to doubt it. Ha, I'm gonna- No. These new sauces from KFC pair so perfectly with their boneless bucket meal. Now, I'd like you first to take that orangish red one and put it in your hand. You're talking about the honey chili crisp? Yep. And I'd like to grab- Oh, you're grabbing the tender yourself. Okay. Can I give a true eval? Yeah, give a true eval. Talk me through it. Now, I bet you're feeling the honey, but the aftertaste of a chili just touching the back- No? I'm feeling one thing and one thing only. One thing only. Bingo! Oh, yeah. Kristen, mind if I dip this in jalapeno ranch and stuff it down the back of your mouth? I do mine. Okay. Delicious. Prices and participation may vary. We're not the only multimedia experience. Did you know that? Who else is? IMAX? Canva. Yeah, they can do a lot of things. It's a diverse program. It is a diverse program. Yeah, I said it weird. You did say it weird, but that's okay. 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And I loudly in my car went, wow! And you looked because it was a shitty car so you could hear it was not very soundproof it was not a Maybach. Anyway, so you looked at who had said that and I smiled. And that was our- that was the first time I saw you in real life. Wow! And we didn't say like- No, I wasn't- I didn't- I wasn't brutal. Hey, listen to my sound. I didn't punish you that day. I wasn't like, in a couple years. Anyway, I'm going to meet you again. I'll see you someday. I got to tell you, I feel honored that I even elicited a wow out of your soul. I totally forgot something. Two nights ago, I was watching a really old episode of Friends. And I saw your mom. Is she still acting? No. I mean, she's a great actor. She'd like to. No, she was so good. Yeah. But all those things, I mean, like we're talking about, like, she's very beautiful. She's so hot. In the Friends thing, she blew me away. I'll tell her that. I was like. You know how being an auditioning person is like, to get your one episode, one day of work on Friends is like 30 auditions for different things. And then finally. Have you ever auditioned? Have you ever. For years. He used to be on TV. For years I auditioned, yeah. He was on Glee. But like, it's just such a, the ratio. And now she runs this crazy nonprofit. That's awesome. But it's like, it's just time. It's just like, if you want to land one. Are you a creature of habit? Let's go a little deeper. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Also the Friends thing is so funny because like, she comes in for like that, those two scenes where it is. And like, sometimes that'll like blow up on Instagram and they'll be like, ah, Billy's a nepo baby. And I'm always like, I'm always like, dog, like she made like $800 from that 40 years ago. Like, she did one episode. What came first, Glee or Billy's. Glee. Glee. Yeah. So you were, were you like trying to act, not trying, but were you like a child, you were a child actor? Trying to act is totally fair. I was totally trying to act. That's what I was trying to do. Was that what you wanted instead of music? I really wanted to make music. I actually had a fear. I never, this never was a possibility, but like, I would audition for stuff and like, yeah, I was on a couple episodes of Glee and a couple episodes of Modern Family. Oh, wow. And I was always like, nobody takes Keanu Reeves music seriously because. He's a movie star. I was always like, I can't, I can't have like a. You can't go too far down the list. I can't go too far down the list. That was smart, that was smart of you. You know, when I went to the gym for the first. It's not an option. For the first time, when I went to the gym, I told my trainer, I was like, look, I was like, because I wanted to lose weight. I was like, I'm going to lose weight. I was like, but I don't want to get like too muscular. And he was like, I don't think that'll be a problem. Because you were worried that you wouldn't be as funny. I don't. Isn't that a, that's a thing we've. No, I just didn't want to look weird in shirts. If Benny showed up suddenly like, humongous, I would, that's all I would talk about. You know, Benny wants to get fully tatted up, like, just like Bad Bunny, pretty much exactly what Bad Bunny does. Not fully tatted up. I think you should. I saw Bad Bunny without his shirt, like in that shower picture where like, you could kind of see the top of his penis. You could see where the head started, I think. No, no, you could see his cubes. You could see his lines. It was, it was. His lines. It blew me away. There's one picture, I think, where I swear I can see where his head is. You want to sit cozy? You want to sit down? You want to sit soft? Let's go sit in this house. Thank you, man. Let's go sit on a couch. He might not want to sit on a couch. He's looking around. I like this Benny. That's me, it's hyper real. You can go right here if you wanted. We fell in love in this house. You're engaged, aren't you? I'm engaged. Congratulations. How long were you guys engaged before you got married? Two years. Two years. Ooh, a little long. We were dating. Not really. Are you going to do a wedding? We're going to do a wedding. No, they're actually just getting engaged. Well, I felt, I don't know. No wedding. I felt, I wanted to take the time because I felt overwhelmed by the wedding. Did you guys get married in L.A. or in California? Did you guys get married? Malibu. Oh, beautiful. It was really pretty. Yeah, it was great. You said at Benny's wedding to me that it was perfect and that it went exactly like the best it could possibly be. It was one of the best weddings I've ever been to. I'd love to hear that. It was like top three and mine is in there for sure for myself. Yeah, good. Maybe you could crack the top three. There's one open spot. We'll see. What's your dream wedding? All I'm really focusing on personally is like the entertainment, the music, who's going to play and stuff. What do you want? Like Dream World, are you having like a DJ band? I think Dream World is like, I'm not sure who will play. I want somebody, I have a couple people in mind to like sing while we're going down the aisle. Oh, wow. Icons? Like famous people or no? Personal, like people that I'm a big fan of that aren't, you know, it's not Beyonce or something, but people that aren't. I hear, like, people that mean something to you. Billy Armstrong? I like that. Goo Goo Dolls? Goo Goo Dolls is good. Nine Inch Nails? Dashboard Confessionals? The Fray? Oh, The Fray! The bald guy who is no longer in The Fray but is on TikTok? What happened? Is there some issue? He left the fray, and then they just kept going, and then somebody else in the band just sings all the time. Just shaved his head. Really? The lead singer left the fray? Do you care about what food is at the wedding or no? I think it would probably be vegetarian. No, yeah, but I'm saying do you care about the food, though? Super, yeah. You know what I also have a bone to pick about weddings? You didn't have this, so good for you. I already know. Sit down dinner. No, sit down dinner I don't mind. It's just like the traditional wedding cuisine being like basically like English formal. Like it's like mashed potatoes and steak and like green beans and shit. I'm like, what are we doing? Like nobody is gassed about that. I'm hungry. Everybody wants like spaghetti and garlic bread and shit. I tried to get us to have spaghetti and they said nobody wants to eat red sauce. I said, I want to eat red sauce. Everybody wants to eat red sauce. I agree with you. I think that they were wrong. What did you guys have at your wedding? What food? I don't remember. English countryside. Similar to what you're saying. The best version. No, we had fish. We had great apps that I'm not going to bore you with, but boy, were they diverse, and they were really satisfying, and they were really good, and a little chicken on a biscuit type of stuff. Oh, yeah, that was really good. And for the main, sure, we had steak. Sure, we had halibut, and we had pasta. White sauce, right? I have to ask you something, Because it's so important to me. Do you, I can't remember, do you like tofu? Love. Okay. I've recently discovered the best tofu I've ever had in my entire life. It's a man who only does, he does, it's really far away, but he delivers it to me. It's incredible. Really? So, okay. First, I mean, I eat tofu five days a week. I love tofu. I love tofu. So, to me, it's so important. I didn't even know that tofu could be that different than just the one that you get at the store. Than the firm one. You guys are insane. Isn't it kind of all the same? No. So there's like, first of all, the one you get in the store isn't even tofu. I don't even know what it is. You fat. This is so soft. So first they have like a regular one that's really soft. I caught on. I got it. Then they have a thing. It's backwards. It's called supreme. It's called supreme tofu. And it's like, it looks like cream cheese. It's like so soft and delicious. It's more than silken though. I love the word silken. Yeah, silken's great. But it's more like, like, do you know when you're in Japan? Yes. Or, like, when you're at a Japanese restaurant and you have, like, and you have, like, the tofu that's so soft it looks like it's, like, a. Yep. So it's like that. When I go to, like, Pine and Crane, it's, like, mapo. It's called, like, mapo tofu. Yeah, it's even softer than mapo, though. But, yeah, I love, mapo tofu's so good. Can the general public get it or do they have to know the man? No, it's called meiji, like, M-E-I-J-I. And then some of their stuff, like, is a little stronger than, like, you're, like, used to. Like, their soy milk, I love. What do you mean stronger? So, like, the fermentation, and it's not sweet, their soy milk. Nice. So it's, like, very, you taste, like, soybean. It's different. Yeah. But their tofu is, like, just like heaven. I eat it every single day. Fuck. Hook me up, dude. Sounds awesome. You know what's also like heaven? Not to interrupt, not to take it here, but because we're talking about food, and I know you love food and I just thought I would contribute. McDonald's ice cream, the soft serve, tastes like heaven silk tofu. I don't know if I've ever had it. It's the best cloud ice cream I've ever had. It's like tofu. I hate soft serve. Do you not? Really? I think of shit. Okay, well. I do. I think of shit whenever I see soft serve ice cream. This has a lot to do with your relationship with shitting. Yes. Because my shit is nothing like soft serve. His shit, he only has two types of shit. No, no, no. He has pudding and dots. I can't even believe Donald's breakfast? This is, dude, I'm going to air him out really quick. This parallel is like, we were with Rat the other day looking at an album cover, and it was like a rainbow. Yeah. Rat goes, what a shitty album cover. It's so ugly. And he's colorblind. And I go, walk me through the colors on this. And he's like, gray, greenish gray. And we were like, yeah, of course this looks ugly to you. Yeah. You're blind. Being colorblind is crazy. Yeah. Because it's not even like, it's not that big of a deal, but it's such a big deal. You can only see shades of gray, right? No, but for him, there's purples that he can't really see, and then green and red are usually interchangeable. But I also just am convinced that whatever their differentiation, that all the colors are inaccurate to how it's looking to me. I wonder if there is a correlation with depression and colorblindness. Do you have either? I have neither, but when you take a look. He's just wondering. He's going deep. Yeah, it's a good deep question. To go a little deeper on it, I mean, if you even think about the song Colorblind by Counting Crows? No, we said this last night. What is it called? Do you know? You don't know? It's really, it's a very depressing, it's actually, I think it's an iconic American song that I'm shocked. I'm just not a huge Counting Crows fan. I don't think it's Counting Crows. You know what song it's from. I know the song. It's like the coffee black egg white. I remember seeing this and I'm just thinking about it because I did it the other day and everyone was wowed and I was wowed by myself. Didn't you used to do gymnastics? You did gymnastics the other day and everyone was wowed? I did a flip in here. He did. Not a real flip. It was like He tried to say that he could flip. No, in his defense, he did flip. He did flip. I did do a real flip, but not a land on your feet flip. Did you land on a crash pad? No, I did it in here. It's risky. I know, it was crazy. I said he shouldn't do it and he was like, I can do it. And then he did it and the footage is like his head almost crashed on the ground. No, but the footage is so crazy. I'm right here. Don't do it, Ben. I'm gonna do it. Do not jump. Did I do it? Didn't you used to do stuff like I did like air child's gymnastics. No, no, you did like airborne stuff. I did some circus aerial shit. Really? Circus aerial shit? I was very impressed when I saw it. I was on a quest as an adolescent to ostracize myself socially as quickly and as broadly as possible. I was doing ballet class and aerial and I was homeschooled. Wow. He was homeschooled. I was vegetarian. Why were you homeschooled? I think the short answer was my parents were like out of work actors. They were around a lot. I was super weird. I had all this separation anxiety and whatever and they were like, ah fuck it. We don't have any money. We can't send them to some, you know, crunchy like Waldorf school or something. So we're just around. We're just homeschooling. Did you? And then I started acting. And so like by the time I was in high school I was like, oh, I'll probably go to real high school and then I was acting too much. So you never went to like a public school? I never went to school. Did you have a lot of friends growing up? No. How did you make friends? There's a lot of like kids, like I think my parents were on like email lists. There's like a lot of other homeschooled kids that were like actor kids. So you just had to be friends with whichever one they had the emails of? That's right. You just be friends with whoever was at school. It is so crazy. Did you feel like it? Were you, there was never a point in your entire homeschooling that you were ever like, huh, I do wish I could like go to school and do the school thing or you were just content? I think when I was like about high school age I was like, oh, that like seems sick. I want to go do that. But then I was acting enough that I wasn't. And I was always like I was already like by the time I was like 12 completely sure I wanted to write songs and be in a band or something. So I spent all of my day every day doing that. At 12? From like 12 to 18. Well, what did you do with the homeschool? Like, does someone come over every day? We registered our house as a private school. And so like a person, one staff? No, your parents have to do it, right? Private schools are like outside of state jurisdiction. So you weren't being homeschooled? You just weren't schooled? I mean, my parents educated us. How so? Just in the way you'd educate anybody. It's textbooks? No, just like, you know. Oh, like that movie where they go to the woods and they have to like, really? Captain Fantastic. Was it like that? Do you relate to that movie a little bit? Yeah, I never ate like a deer heart. Yeah, I had friends. That's cool. It was cool. I had friends who were homeschooled. It's like, it's. That's totally different though. He's not describing a common homeschooling. To me, I mean, I have no idea what I'm talking about, but to me a common homeschooling is. Follow us. Mrs. Rainier knocks on the door. This person comes over, yeah. On this year, and then. I have like a high school diploma written in ketchup somewhere. Wow. So you don't have, you've never graduated high school? No. I mean, like I have like a diploma from graduating a fake high school, but yeah. Written in ketchup. I mean, not, you know, but yeah. Oh. Oh. For this one, we should try something new. It's funny, because you know White Claw's all about trying something new. It is? I think so. What do you want to try? Well. You want to try a ski? Ski? No. I hate skiing. He tried, he's terrible. What about surfing? I've done that, so. What about we take a pack down, we go to Santa Monica. Pier? You don't have the end of this thought yet. Well, I was, I just don't know where we're gonna surf. Why don't we take a pack down and go down to the beach? Whatever beach is nearest. I knew, I've tried that. I've done that. You've surfed? You've never surfed? I've surfed. You've never surfed? I've surfed. It's very tiring. Try it responsibly. Hard seltzer with flavors. White Claw, Seltzer Works, Chicago, Illinois. He has a good legal line read. This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp. I know I'm usually a big old jokester. And we love you when you're like that. And they love me like that. But. Therapy has helped me become the person I am today. You know, I had a rough time when I was about 20, 21, and I take the tools I learned in therapy and help apply them to my real life. And tools I need when I was feeling like anxious or just depressed. Sign up and get 10% off at BetterHelp.com/FKS. That's BetterHelp.com/FKS. I like that we get 10% off. So you guys, uh, you guys worried we're not gonna have anything to talk about now that he's gone? I'm ready to fill conversation. I actually have an idea. What? Whenever we decide to stop doing these, we should invite everyone that's ever been on and we'll book a home on Airbnb and everyone will have to stay with us for like a week. Wow. Chuck, you might need a massage. You're aware that there's spa and massages you can get off Airbnb. I could book you one right now on the website. Yeah, I was the person who said you should call it Spare-BNB. Spa? Airbnb. Spare-BNB. You guys. What? Why don't we ask him about all of our deep questions? I might ask if he's ever had a dream where he killed Billy. Text me that right now. What? If he ever killed Billy. Text it to you. I'll just ask him right when he comes out. If he had a dream. Yeah, yeah. That's not deep. Yeah, it's his question, not mine. No, it's not. It's your question. You're the one asking it. Okay, well then I'm gonna ask the other question first. I have a deeper question. Do you ever have a dream where you killed Billy? No, but I had a dream the other day and I texted Benny about this that my dad ruined Benny's wedding screaming at the ceremony about religion. My dad wasn't at the wedding. What? Yeah, he didn't text me and tell me that. Do you and your sister ever fight? I mean, have you ever gotten into any there has to be some sibling rivalry. We argue, but like never it's very like close. Yeah, we're super close. The thing that is really interesting that I always notice since the first time I met you and I met your parents the first day I met you. Sounds about right. The first thing I noticed though is, and I deal with so many artists and I've dealt with so many kid artists and every and I was always blown away at like how well adjusted your whole family was and how like they were nice and just like at the beginning like how like you guys didn't like spend like money recklessly and buy like huge mansions and like I remember I would like always tell people I'd be like they're gonna go so far not only because of their talent but because they have like a great circle and family around them. I got that vibe from whatever documentary I saw where you were like I just got that vibe. That's my favorite part about that doc is just that like it shines a real light on our sweet parents. Your sweet family. And they're so sweet. And they're really like, like I work with his mom. She's the same. If you went out and bought like a, I don't know maybe you have like a nice, like a Maserati would your parents like call you and be like uh, relax. Absolutely. That's cool. What do you think the stupidest thing you ever bought was? Everyone's done like. The stupidest thing I bought was what's called a hydrofoil. Okay. Which is like a surfboard with a fin. Oh yeah! You got that? I bought it for like so much money. And it was so hard to do. Dude, Jonah Hill was at your party one time and he was like, you surf on this beach? And I was like, yeah. And he was like, you're gonna die! Yeah, yeah, yeah. He was like, it's really dangerous. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Anyway, so I never used it and I gave it as a gift to my like house manager contractor guy. Yeah. And he just sent me a video the other day surfing around on like a lake. Probably looks sick, right? I was like, oh cool. But I was like, it was thousands of dollars. It was a very stupid thing for me to buy. Yeah. But I didn't die on it. Which I ultimately, when I opened it up in the living room, I was like, I'm gonna die on this. Yeah, yeah. For sure. So I sold it. I wonder how long it's gonna be until human beings are just really able to you know, hover and go to work on like, through some sort of floating device. I think it's gonna be a long time. Really? I thought, really? I heard. I don't think we're any closer at all I heard that we're five years away. From floating? No, but from like, when you're walking down the street in Manhattan and like, you know how you're walking by all the people? I heard in five years it's gonna be a whole lot of humanoid robots that you're just walking by. Well, that's different. That I'm sure is true. Well, humanoid robots are like the rolling, post-made stupid robots. No, humanoid. I heard that Elon Musk machines. As far as like, optically what will feel like the biggest shift in going to a science. We saw this same clip from Sam Altman, yeah. Who knows if it's true? My friend, who's about to be on this podcast, who's like the lead. What podcast? Oh, okay. It's not a podcast. Okay, my friend who's gonna be on a vignette. The sitcom. Whatever you wanna, I don't know. Who's gonna be on an expose. I don't care. Okay, my friend. Yeah, who is it? Who's gonna sit on this couch. Shaq? Um. I hope you guys have Shaq on. Not yet. He told me that he's gonna. AI's killing everyone? That eventually we're going to upload our souls onto AI. I believe that. And that's like, he said that's like the fine. He's like, we won't, we'll be dead. He said, but that's like what the next generation will be uploading themselves up to AI. I will say, it has helped me. Like, I. Some chat? Ugh, I use it every day. It knows so much about me. Although the other day. Doesn't it make you so dumb, though? No, I think that's a misconception. If you. I don't know. Use it in the right way. If you use it in the right way, sometimes it even tells me to take a little break, take a little breather. Oh, wow. I think it's a very useful tool. Yeah. It can, like, help you organize your thoughts in a way, in a much quicker way. You have to know how to type. Yeah, it's like, for example, if I'm writing a scene and like I don't know like a mother comes in with uh I don't know forget I even started talking you know but you use it you don't use it you own you know what I do which is it kind of embarrassing have I said this before sometimes if I have like a book that's really oh yeah I will take pictures like I'll take like and just write what I'll say explain this to me what picture of picture of the book and be like what is this what's it mean like I'll like I'll be like page one and I'll take like I'll I think you can the most you can upload is like 10 pictures at a time so I can only go 10 pages but it will be complex for only the dense reads um yeah like uh things I don't even remember I wrote a list right when I got out of the shower when I was really wet of all the things that I wanted to say to you and some of them are so crazy hit me like there's things that are like normal that is just like um it says like it says like uh you know like saw your mom on friends then it says like what do you want to do with your life since you've already done everything at such a young age then there's one that says sex life and then really take the turn um okay okay wait I upload 10 pictures of a book at a time I do say explain it to me and the fact that unfortunately the end of that story was you're like like I don't even remember what the none of it was absorbed it's crazy it's the thought that counts wait I do have a real question sure my real question is I never asked you this how do you decide with like at the beginning when you were writing sometimes like 100% of the song how how would you decide which song you would keep for yourself and which one you would give to Billy Kanye's fable listen at the beginning especially yeah the only reason that that's not happening anymore is like Billy's a more and more confident writer and so she's more interested in it yeah so like there's just never like a shortage of you know and I think everybody wants to feel like they have authorship over their thing yeah at the beginning it was just like literally I was writing songs and if I played one for Billy and she loved it I'd be like take it like she's a she's not only bigger and more successful but she's great yeah so to me I'm like the idea of like you know I like putting out music and you know having an artist project thing but I have no bones about like oh my song Billy wants to sing my song like fantastic what do you think would have happened and how could you even answer this question but in a world where maybe you Billy was a totally different type of artist whose music you don't like you wouldn't have naturally been a fan of of course you'd like your choices as the guy who's making the music but I think one key thing with you and Billy is how much you totally revere her as an artist totally true what if your sister was still able to be a huge artist and help you financially like you know your whole career but you just didn't actually love her as an artist what would have happened it's a really good question I mean it's a deep question I think that I think that also the short answer is like I don't know and then the long answer is she's allowed to make records that I that are not my thing oh you you guys are eye to eye and we're very eye to eye but I just mean that like at some point I assume in her long life of being a musician she'll make she'll be like I'm so into jazz and I'll be like okay cool has there ever been I'll try to help but like you know has there ever been a time where like she really believed whatever something was like for example the single and and you were like I'm not sure that that's it yeah we argue about stuff like that but she to me because it's because it's never been a band it's always been her thing like as long as I'm not sure that that's I've made it clear that I disagree if I disagree and I've told her why if she's like I hear you but I really want it to be this way yeah what's your you're the you're gonna have to go out your funeral kid well it's your yeah you gotta wear the shirt I will tell you and she's been right a lot and like I've been right sometimes and we always say like most passionate person wins so sometimes sometimes I'm like I really still think that this is changing she's like she's like you know what I actually don't really care so sure right you pick your battles the crazy like not to change the subject and just want you guys to know I want you to know the book that I was reading with chat gbt is called enlightenment now a really dense book okay throwing enlightenment now into a yeah into a data engine and making it be like basically the case for recent science humanism and progress you're like you're like you're like I hope that by the end of this book I could be enlightened but I think I'm gonna do it even faster that's how I feel I'm gonna get enlightened as quickly as possible I'll see you guys in a couple months once I'm done uploading all of the pages yeah you could read it in like a week it's not as easy wait can I tell you something that's so crazy to me because I'm not like you can't read I I don't I can barely I don't want to read like a book like I just don't I love researching all my stuff I want to scroll boy wow is selena is a reader like I've never seen I've never seen a person she doesn't upload it speed read so quickly she'll get a stack of books and she can like in a weekend she'll be like yeah I read these three books and like like normally if someone's saying that you're like oh my god that's so bullshit like sometimes like I'll see the book and it'll be opened a little and she has like notes in the book too and she has like a highlighter and it's so it's not like a book she's not absorbing it she's right she's no yeah she's super absorbing it's in it's insanity like how like one day we were out somewhere and she was like I feel like the conversation was like dense and I didn't understand every word that everyone was saying that's what she said she said that and she said I wish my vocabulary was just a little bit better and then for like five months she was buying and performing SAT books for like five months I have a stack of like a hundred that are like yeah yeah like she would like every night she would she would do it she would do it like open it up and they're like filled out the whole book and it was insane okay back to my does she look down on you tremendous now or no no she become a no because I'm one of those like I I am not a person that will uh ever push this on to someone but I I think uh if I want to I think I have a pretty good vocabulary if I feel like writing in a full sentence I have a terrible yes I would love to have a better vocab I think I'm good one I think I I think he's got a really good one I said silken earlier I've silken is it it's a type of toast I know we know what silken is but I'm saying like the the context he said it was about tofu I thought it was a no there's a tofu called silken tofu the brand is silken oh no it's like the type of you buy it yeah that's because you said silken I used I said I love silken and then you said and then you said so good right and I thought we were like bonding over I knew that you were I knew you were saying you love the word so you said so good I mean it's a great word but silken is it was getting down can I ask a question yeah uh I don't know if you even noticed this during your time here you might have and we even talked about it so I'm sure you did there's a warlitzer yeah what's the plan here's my plan I wanted her to a see how you could play the game and I wanted her to play the game and I and be see how you could make a song so quickly like I wanted her to like just like say like a few things on her mind and you like make a little thing I see does it even work yeah it's about to you'll be Phineas I'll be Billy you don't know about fan duel predicts do you well it's 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but it feels like there's one instrument playing i thought about that oh then you did then you did and it's just like and then sometimes when when honestly sometimes also when i'm writing with him i'm like fuck he came up with something so quick that takes me so long and i'm it's so painful for me to figure out like the chords he does naturally like that takes me like that would take me hours to get that and i'll get there but he does it in seconds yeah this is like what plays in my head if there was a song all day like this does yeah not that but like this sort of like this like you know okay i'll be right back you guys keep playing when you're uh writing music do you have to light all your candles i don't have to but man i love it and especially like so this is a i'll say this i'll say this when he's back too but like you know benny um benny like at this point in his life barely does like any work right like when he when you do a session with him like he sits there you know but his vibe that he's provided is immaculate yeah and he can do all of it it's just that he's leaving you room to to do your you know creative stuff right but he sits there in his in his nice curated space and it smells nice he's got some incense or a candle it makes you a yummy snack you know the environment is so nice and he's funny and he's being you know asking good questions so he's pulling all this energy out of you and to me that was like when i was doing sessions the first couple years i'd like anyone like that i'd be like i want to go back and work with him again and anyone no matter how talented they were if like their studio was depressing there was no daylight i'd be like i didn't like my time even if we wrote something good i don't like the time there yeah and then so i've really that's a big benny takeaway it's like my studio's gotta smell great well because that's what i love about working with you is it's so pleasant it smells good you gotta make a person want to stay there right yeah that makes sense because most of the time yeah they suck your studio's great thanks but most of the time odds wise you're just not gonna write your big hit song you just can't write it every day yeah and so you better have a great time do you know nice so many times we work and we actually don't even record something we just go there and hang out and like talk and then and then we and then we leave i mean i would hate if this was if this is the sounds i'm hearing i'll hang out anywhere i thought of one other thing when i was in the bathroom there's nothing that's more pleasing to my ear and the thing that i get so jealous of the way you guys do is how you how you and billy record vocals she is such a good singer man you talk about stacks no i don't know what that means it's it sounds like she's speaking into your ear yeah and it's a combination of the best voice ever and like being at a level like her where she can she can sing like you've heard her sing like she sings you can make her say she could sing loud and do it but she's controlling it so small and with phineas like keeping it like the way it's compressed and like how and then the stacks and then you also are the best harmony man i know you're very sweet this is all you've really buttered me up man now are you practicing every day i sit down and noodle every day can you practice i'm just making hours making that up so you just you kind of have been consistently playing the same type of progression i thought that's nice and then i'm trying to play little melodies yeah but like okay if we talk for 20 minutes right now and you stop playing we just talk do you think you would remember 20 minutes later what i was like hey what was that melody would you remember or not even remotely this one i might because of the tactile because of it's in my fingers i'd be more likely to remember it because it's in my hands than if i were just he always does it's crazy his recall he doesn't write things down you don't no he can remember the whole song but sometimes sometimes you don't you know i gotta tell you so i you know when you came here they i maybe it's your publicist kind of sent like here's what phineas has done it's like all the things he's done with billy maybe the apple mnemonic oh the apple i like that and i was just the what the apple mnemonic the new apple mnemonic whatever and like the score and then i i didn't think it was going to say season three of dave but i was always planning on making this joke and i just didn't even feel comfortable making the joke because i like you so much and i don't think say it no it didn't say it but i don't think it's inappropriate i understand why it doesn't mean he doesn't have it on the thing for any reason like i think it's just he knows probably the other things that he did he was probably more super involved in definitively yeah but anyways so good to see you that was really fun you know i i don't think he'll mind me saying this my favorite line in season three of dave is the girl uh comes over to your house and i think the finale yeah or maybe the second last episode and she goes wow this is such a nice neighborhood and you go thank you lynn manuel emmanuel lives nearby yeah which is such a funny weird thank you thing to say yeah and i told him that the other day oh you did i was like dude it's like have you seen season three of dave because there's such a great movie and i'm like oh my god i'm like oh my god i'm like oh my god i'm like oh good joke about your name and he said no i haven't seen it and he was like i haven't and then he brought up another one from that show the other two oh where they're like yeah well linda manuel miranda wrote that and they go really the manuel miranda goes yeah he goes pretty sure it's lynn manuel miranda and the guy goes why do i have a linda manuel miranda signed to my agency which i think is also a good bar he's got a name ripe for ripe for comedy i can't believe that there was such a parallel joke made in another show so i thought it was the most random specific joke i couldn't it's a good it's a good joke i bet you made it first what's your favorite uh what's your favorite artist me yeah what do you feel what are you feeling like right now kristen in your in your current life what do you want to make a song about i love this sort of like i like go on spotify and i'll be like i'll like use all different keywords to somebody should do like a album just for the background they do a little twinkly they do just and it like goes through the night of your your mood you know there's an album there's an album literally for somebody as music for airports by brian i know really yeah brian eno's a good background but i like but i like this and there's only one person that can do it so kristen what are you thinking about your life right now i mean this music is really good for my brain because it's making me not think anything negative i'm just kind of thinking wow what a delight so but what's your what's your like biggest fear right now that i won't understand it oh yes being misunderstood yeah i'll read it but i won't if you could summarize it this is a hit maybe i could take it on he's falling in love with him i won't understand it i'm falling in love with him no matter how hard i try 10 pictures at a time just won't suffice isn't he so good i'm blown away yeah can i saw her face do something that i've never seen her face do just be like impressed by another man i've never i've never seen her face like what did it do just like instantly just like i just saw the human face be impressed by a man how could you not i know i agree when i sit when i sit and we're just sitting there uh doing stuff it's so hard to tell what's good because everything's so good and i'm usually so good at yeah knowing that and then he's just like he'll just like do something i'll be like oh and then like he'll do nothing and i'll be like wait no like that's a hit to me i would listen to that on repeat like for hours is that not a hit no um not i think i don't understand if we get too granular of course with the 10 pages at a time it becomes a little no i love it no i love the 10 pages at the time it could mean anything you could totally anything you can make very broad i agree yeah i actually served something you said about the broadness the broadness versus specificity and i found that very interesting yeah would you like to say something like that again too specific oh i think it's nice do you guys want to manifest any dream guest for this sitcom format thing you have is there anybody that you're like god if we could get you know um who barack barack yeah barack i mean he's just like i we oh we're out we're out to to bernie bernie's a cool one for me bernie would be cool bernie would be cool but i mean if we're being i mean i love i like we're talking about just a coming in like sweats maybe i hope i hope he's not coming in a suit we're gonna get a suit off him by the time he leaves so if he comes i love he's gonna be in a wife beater did you guys read his book no i can't read i listened to it i listened to some of it the best part of it is the end it ends with him killing osama bin laden oh my god did you watch that documentary man osama oh i gotta watch it it's great it's fantastic it ends with him killing osama and the and then he it's like three in the morning dc and he walks upstairs to the east wing and michelle's like so and he goes we got him and michelle goes that's awesome babe that's the end of the book really that's awesome getting to be the person that the president is like we killed osama bin laden and you get to be like that's awesome babe can you come and i also was like i think maybe all relationships are the same i was like that's like so sick kristin would you mind showing him something yeah show me what you've got yeah have a seat yeah come on how in How insane would it be if I just Recreate, like if I just played what you did. Perfect memory. It'd be, it'd be. I only have one chance. There we go. Wow. Well, what? Pretty nice. Is that good? Yeah. Wait, does everything just sound good when you play it? Yeah. I'm pushing, I'm pushing the, I don't, I don't, I really can't play anything. I told you. Look at this. You got a good ear. Really? Yeah. You do have a good ear. Really? Yes, you have good melodic instincts. I always say it about you. Yeah, just play any white keys or any, like this interview. So fun. I'm not in the interview. Do you like the segment? It's such a fun, casual format. Have you ever, like, like with your friends, so like with Rat or like, you guys ever just like chill and you kind of like snuggle while you're like hanging out? Not really. Never? But you, but yeah, they don't snuggle, but I feel like you did say like, I totally understand your guys' friendship because I met Rat and we have like such a bromance. Like would Rat ever be like this? Would he be like, and put his like feet on your. And that doesn't feel weird. I don't think it's in his impulse. Yeah. To do it. Like I don't do, I don't do that with everybody. No, but you do it with all. I put it this way. No, it doesn't happen. Some of my best friends, I don't have that thing. No, but you have it with Hit. You have it with me. Yeah. People have funny physical relationships. Some people have such a close relationship and not a physical relationship. Some people are so grabby, touchy. You can't, you can't undo like the past. Yeah, like me and my brother would like, we'll like, I'll like lay like on his shoulder for a while. Like, do you and Bill? Or no, no. Like just chilling and like laying next to him. What? What? It's just. Are you about to be like. Just chilling, man. The short answer is no. Are you nervous for like doing the vows? No, not at all. Yeah. I will tell you one thing. I am not a nervous person. Nervous leading up to it. Totally calm. Yeah. That was like the first, that was like the first thing you told me on the dance floor. Yeah. It's very sweet. So nervous. And Dave was right. I was, I was like, should I print this thing bigger? Like I kept having all. Your speech was great. You're, you're, you're, I was really wonderful. Thank you. Phineas, I heard you needed somebody to play at your. Yeah. If you want to do it, you're, you're hired. All right. Let's wrap this thing up. Love you guys. There's someone coming over. Phineas, thank you for coming. Thank you. This was so fun. I'll be back anytime. you