The Extra Point: Late-Round League Winners + Draft Strategy & Trades (Ep. 2156)

This is an iHeart podcast, Guaranteed Human. The entire draft room groans because you just took the guy they wanted. There's no better feeling than crushing your fantasy football league. I'm JJ Zacharyson, host of the award-winning late-round podcast. Before your draft, our players to target and players to avoid episodes tell you exactly who to circle and who to cross off. Listen to the late-round fantasy football podcast on the iHeart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. It's the extra point right here on fantasy pros. I'm Chris Welsh. That is Andrew Erickson and today. We are going to be talking with our incredible studio audience. You guys, the producers of this show, the people's podcast because you guys produce it. We actually have a little bit prepped for this show, which we rarely do because you guys get to tell us what we're going with and you also are going to be hearing your voices because we invite you guys to come on. It's a live studio audience. Raise your hands. Come in. Kind of like an old school radio show and then you're going to talk and we're going to talk fantasy, whatever it is, whether it's trades, whether it's draft, whatever you got. You can come and join us, fantasyprose.com/chat on the discord every Thursday at 2pm Eastern. You want to know why it's also really good, Erickson to come and join live, not just because you get it a day before. You want to know why? I know why. Thought it was horrible. Oh, you know why. Okay. Because when the show messes up and maybe a certain person that hosts the show screws it up and it doesn't air as a podcast, literally only the people that were in here. We did a show for them. You got your own individualized show. That's why there wasn't a show last week. I was actually trying to be better. I had these filters on to try to get rid of noise gates to make everybody's life a little bit easier and I made everybody's life worse because my audio was all screwed up and there was we were able to have no podcast so sorry, Erickson sorry, buddy. It was a banger episode, but for those that were in the discord last week, you heard it. We did the sports talk radio bit of Patriots, 98, 5 engine works in Chris Wells here right now. Well, Erickson went on a seven minute rant about his conversation with the beat reporter. It's probably better that you didn't listen to that episode. No, it's pretty good. It was pretty good. Yeah, I know. We had a lot of fun with it, but it was a podcast just for the discord. So there would be a good reason to come and hang out besides, you know, hearing it live, hearing it early and being on it, hearing it at all. When I screw up the recording, but we are we got contingencies upon contingencies and we are back. And not only we're going to talk to you, but we are going to be talking about sleepers just at the top here for a second and we will tell you why we're going to give you some of our deep sleepers and how we've ranked them this year. But we are coming off of the heels of two things as a matter of fact, fantasy, fest in the books, just overall, we had a little bit of chaos at the beginning of people didn't realize. I still feel bad. Like I thought it was a funny joke about my set of Seth, poor Seth, calling him Timu, JJ Zacharyson, which by the way, I'd love to be, I'm fat JJ Zacharyson if anything, but I felt bad because poor Seth was, if people didn't know, we had like a like chaos right before it started and there was a time issue and JJ wasn't here and it wasn't like his fault. And then Seth was, Seth is like a gangster. He's just like, I'll jump in and we were trying to figure out what was going on. And then he just like appeared and jumped in. And then JJ showed up and I had to boot up, I had to boot set off of the show and then we were joking about it. It did make it really fun. It was an incredible fantasy, fest, awesome guest. You and I just didn't get to do anything with it, but it was great. We had some awesome guest guests that I had never interacted with JJ before. You had Yankeon, which is super cool. He's phenomenal on PFF. So I thought it was really great. If you missed it live, the individual pieces are going to be spaced out into episodes and stuff like that. The first one, that's what people are going to get was like the chaos behind the scenes. We were like ducks with feet going crazy underwater, trying to keep it cool. But what do you think? Any external thoughts post fantasy fest? Now, how you start, how you finish, man, that's what the mantra, the mindset of the fantasy pro's team was and I think that we delivered a extremely professional worthwhile experience throughout all the hours that we were recording. I think what, five hours total with the Twitch after part even did the mock draft. All the segments, like you said, can be re-uploaded on YouTube and the podcast feed. So if you missed the live experience and I think being part of the chat is really fun too. I was in the chat. Fitsy was in the chat. Debrose in the chat. We're all just like chatting up answering his many questions because in the day, man, we all just love fantasy football. We love the NFL and it's kind of like a weird treat this year because the NFL is starting so much later. There's like an extra week of building up to the start of the season, which I kind of like. I think NFL teams hate it because it means it's another week of training camp for guys to get potentially hurt when they're like, we just want to start the games. And also means to, again, remember this when you're watching football every single week and you're away from your loved ones that Valentine's Day is also the same day as the Super Bowl this year. So. You're married long enough Valentine's Day. Well, my wife has become very much like Valentine's Day is all corporate. She doesn't talk like that. That would be all another thing, but it's very corporate for her and so it's just not into it. But I like it later. I like it happening later. I feel like we get a little bit more space, a little bit room for activities to grow in here. But highly suggest if you don't want to want to like a four hour stream and then go over to Twitch and check out all the bits and parts of it and there was some awesome stuff and it was a great job. Also, the second thing off the heels, then we're going to go to sleepers real quick and then we're going to be talking to you guys. So make sure those hands are raised is you just finished up the tailgate fantasy draft and kind of an interesting process you do with it to 16 team league, if I remember correctly. And then every host on the tailgate for that episode shared the team, correct? So do you want to don't give away because it's a full episode, but you want to give a little synopsis and a little preview of anything interesting that happened. By the way, tailgate, you guys can go check out tailgate NFL on YouTube. It's our straight NFL channel and Erickson brought some fantasy to it. So there may have been some bullying going on in tune for some of the picks where one of us may have been very against a certain player and the other two are like, nope, screw you, we're taking this guy anyway. So did that. That was the bullying person possibly rhyme with Shmishmo. Shmishmo. Shmerek. Shmerek. Shmerek. Shmerek. Yes, it did. Oh, that's why we have Roman doons day on the squad and not Jonathan Brooks. Because, Roman, I were like, no, we're going to a wide receiver. And he was like, no, this is going to be a running back run. He was actually right. So we actually probably should have listened to D well. We did not miss that on the running backs. But that's okay. The team in the draft the analyzer, because we synced it up with draft assistant on fantasy pros. And we got the second best team based on the group. No, feel good about it. And just as an FYI PSA, if you do a 14 team, 16 team, you've got to punt the ones in the positions. You just have to do it. The fact that we were able to get my homes and Jared Goff as our two quarterbacks in rounds 13 and 14. It just makes the rest of your roster so, so, so much better. So it was really fun draft to do looking forward to recapping it every Monday. How that team did because it's going to be the same group on the tailgate between me, warm and deep row. So every week we'll briefly hit on, okay, who messed up? Which start decision did we not make this week and I think it's going to work where we'll assign everybody. Okay, you're doing quarterbacks. You're doing running back. You're your receivers and tight ends and flex this week. So we know who to blame when our team doesn't win. So there's not a ton of bullying. So there's not like massive amount. I like that there was bullying on there. We did try to capitulate. So like we did that with deep row and it's like, all right, but we had another pick that we couldn't decide. We said, okay, deep row, we didn't get you didn't get to pick your guy last time. You can pick your guy this time. So we it all came out fair square. This is science. Bogman and I do, we've done this for multiple years. It's a theoretical industry league because it's like industry people. Fitsies actually a part of it. God, who's all in it? Like Jeff Erickson, DVR Derrick and Riper runs it and it's, we call it the pentathlon, but it's a five event league and it's like super flex, auction, then there's a best ball and then we have to do picks and then we have to do a DFS team and survivor. Those are the five events. It's a monster event that we do every year, Bogman and I won it the previous year. We've cashed in every, we played three years straight. We've cashed in every single one we've played in because you get paid per event and then there's an overall, but we won it two years ago, but we share a team and there is a science to having the right people to be there. So there's the proper amount of bullying that happens where it's like, no, no, no, no, I'm going to take this one and I'm going to take over this situation without anybody, you know, getting butt hurt and three of you, there's a good amount of bullying that can happen in there as you guys. So I highly suggest going listen on the tailgate, support that channel NFL talk and all season long from a real NFL perspective, we'll be doing breakdowns after like on Mondays and then we'll have the previews for the week coming up and there may be even some other cool stuff to make sure you check it out on the tailgate. One other thing we want to do before we start getting to your questions, so continue hanging with us in the audience. We've got a ton of hands raised and we're going to plow through them is we've mentioned this before, humbly, Erickson and I, we did obviously fantasy pros has lots of different rankings. We have like the draft rankings. We've got the in season accuracy rankings and another one they've really propped up this year was. the sleeper rankings. And it's a select amount of players that are in like a pool that you can choose from. And you pick like two quarterbacks, four running backs, four wide receivers. And that's something you'll end up seeing if you do your draft insights on fantasy pros after where it would be like, hey, you drafted the number one consensus sleeper, but it up. Well, the accuracy article came out a couple weeks ago and Erickson and I happen ironically to be both top seven overall in the world, or the world air quotes of whoever's doing it. I was five shockingly to me and you were seven. So we were top seven in there. And Erickson was like, you know, we should use that to our advantage. We should talk about sleepers and we should do that. And since this is our show, let's do that here. This is kind of the sleeper, the extra sleeper point podcasts. What we're gonna do here for a second. So we are going to announce who our sleepers are in the contest right now. And then next week, if there's an update, we will come back to it. And those are gonna be the sleepers we are attached to. It's a really interesting process too because another thing I'm proud of is I finished higher in the draft ranks than any of us, which, you know, I'm the lonely little analyst over here on the football side or host, I mean, with playing little analysts occasionally that I got to finish so high. But my point of this is I was dominant at running back. No one was better than me at running back. And I was second in wide receiver to deep row. But in the sleeper, I was horrible at quarterback and tight end in the draft rankings. But the sleeper rankings, the quarterback and the tight end is what pushed me up. I Drake made it sleeper quarterback last year in Tyler Warren and Kyle Pitzett. The literal draft things I sucked at, my actual sleepers are what won me that. So this will be a really interesting experiment of what this looks like. Do you remember what your best position was in draft rankings and in sleeper rankings at all? Do you know what was your best hit at sleeper and what was your best position for draft in season or draft rankings? I don't remember what the best one draft was. I want to say it's probably the tight end or running back, I think it definitely was not wide receiver. I can say that pretty confidently. 'Cause that seems like one of the tougher positions to rank just because there's so much volatility and there's so many different guys with sleepers. I'm looking for you. You want to know what it is? I don't remember. Yeah, no, tell me. Was I right? Was my hunt right or was I wrong? What did you guess? Running back some tight ends. And you said it was not what? Those were my better ones and receiver wasn't my worst. You were the best of wide receiver. Oh my God. That was your best. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, that made me laugh. 'Cause you're like, there's just no way. You were literally, now you're draft ranking. There's in season and there's draft. Your draft ranking, your best position was actually a wide receiver. So yeah, I must have been thinking in season then, probably. In season, yeah, I think you were kind of a beast in season. I'll look real quick. You're in season. You were a monster at tight end. You were pretty damn good across the board if you're being honest. But tight end was your hands away best. Then running back, then wide receiver, and then quarterback. But you were roughly at least top third in every single position. But tight end, you were 17th. So you were like 17th best out of 200 plus people. I think we had, or this was like 158. Yeah, so you were like top 35% in every single position. And you weren't as good in the draft season as you were in season, but you were a monster in season. Yeah, no, I mean, a tight end, it's to me, especially when you're doing the rankings, I think it's just so advantageous to take the swings, right? 'Cause all tight ends at the end of the day, most of them are just all bad. So if there's anyone with the summons of, okay, there's a path where we could get a seal and type of performance. I remember one specific week where everybody was really concerned about like Brock Barris coming off his injury. And I was just sitting back making man. It's Brock Barris and I don't care. Just got to play this guy if he's healthy and he smashed in his first game back. Which isn't always, it doesn't always happen. We know that guys coming back from injuries the first week back is always a very, it's tough waters sometimes. But when it's tight end and the floor is zero for most of these guys anyway, it's just so worth going after just chasing the boom with a player like up Brock Barris or something that you know is a lead. So well, that was my second best, by the way, was in season. If we're talking again, this is draft season. So in season doesn't matter to you guys, probably a whole bunch, but wide receiver was my best in season. And then that was my second best in draft season. I would think I was like top 20 if I remember. So wide receiver across the board, apparently I'm okay. But tight end was my second best. It's a little bit worse at running back even though I was a monster in draft season. And I am just like hilariously, historically, absolutely horrific at quarterback, except when I pick a sleeper. So before we do, you want to just do the questions first and just hit the sleepers on the rib. Because I know we have a big queue up here so far. And I want to make sure that we can get to everybody. Do you want us to do that? It gets every whatever you want to do, whatever you want. Let's get met where we're men of the people, men of the people who do the people first. And then we'll humbly brag about our amazing picks that are going to smash and she does. Okay, so that's the T's then. There's the T's is at the end of the episode. We will give you what our sleeper picks are for the season. Two run, two quarterback four running back four wide receiver, two tight end, we'll talk about what our sleepers are with the last like 10 minutes or so. And then there may be an update because things do update, especially at the last preseason next week. That's going in if you guys care about that. So we're going to get to your guys' questions. You got lots of hand rays. But if you guys want to join in the action, as always, make sure you go to fantasy pros.com/chat, where you can not only be a part of a really cool discord community where people are mock drafting, they're talking fantasy. There's a ton of rooms to kind of peruse yourself with. But we've also got exclusive AMAs like this that end up on the podcast feed. Here is the schedule. Right now we've got Boggan Fitz who are doing five PM Eastern every Tuesday through the end of the month. But that's I think like maybe one, I'm not even sure if there, I think that might be done. Because I think September 1st is on a Tuesday. So I'm not sure if they're going to, how that's going to work. But then it goes to like once a month. Wormen Fitz, five PM Eastern, on the first Tuesday of every month. So that's the sneaky part where next Tuesday actually might be them. But here's a big important one. Me and Eric's in our here in season, every Thursday, two PM Eastern. So come on, get your questions answered. Be a part of the show. Be a part of the extra point, fantasy pros.com/chat, and if you just have a, even a free fantasy pros account, it can hook up to the discord you can get in here. You ain't got to have nothing else. All right, let's get to it as we got some of the stuff out of the way. Cornwallis was in here. I think I might have beat Cornwallis in here, but Cornwallis was in here at least 10 minutes before the show and was the very first hand raised. So Cornwallis, you are first up on the extra point this week. What up, dude? Oh, good afternoon. I got two questions. You want me to just fire them both off or do you want me to split them up? Yeah, if you fire them both off, yeah, yeah, sure. OK, so the first one, fairly easy. I don't understand Dak's ranking. I feel like he's ranked a little too low. I just wanted to get your guys' take on that. Second question is doing an auction draft, and a lot of times you kind of end up with a little too much money at certain parts of the draft. There is your guys' thoughts on who are guys in the early mid and late that you're willing to overspend on to make sure you get them on your roster. And then who is your blacklist? You don't want them unless they have you discount on them. She is Cornwallis coming in here with a banger of a question to start with. Real quick on Dak, I mentioned on the fest, and I'm going to let you speak on this Ericsson though. I did an episode with a bogman that's going to release already on in this league prior to this airing on the podcast feed, where we talked about league winners and losers. But what we did instead of picking our league winners and losers, we actually went and looked at aggregate. We looked across the land. We looked for everybody else in the world's league winners and losers. And we were able to accumulate who the top guys were. Hands down, Dak Praskot was the number one quarterback that everybody felt was a league winner. And I thought that was interesting based on guys like Herbert and Lawrence. But ironically, he also would come up on one or two league losers. So that was really weird. So as I had mentioned on fest, the players, like Corey Croskey-Marit was the number one running back. Got him, forget it. I think Jalen Waddle was near like the top of White receivers. And Dak was the top of quarterback. So do you buy that Dak is underrated? And if so, why is that? 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The only thing I'll push back on with Dak is he doesn't add anything as a rusher. So that does technically limit like the potential ceiling, ceiling outcome for him versus some of these other players who can just add so much more on the ground, which I think is the only reason why Dak is going where he's going because he doesn't add that rushing. And I do think that there's an element of the Dallas Cowboys defense being significantly better than it was last year, where every game they played was a shootout because their defense was so bad. I don't think that's going to be the case here in 2026. So that's another thing to kind of factor in. But I think Dak is, I mean, good, not gonna push back, but you know, you can't draft Dak Prescott. He's a good value where he goes, but there's just a lot of good values at quarterback this year. So I tend to do the like what you guys say about Dak, I'm like, well, party, party goes after. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. It's like you just find a lot of options like Dak. So if he's the one that ends up being there at the pick that you make, great rule. Yeah. So the auction question, because we can't spend 20 minutes on it. Here's what I just want to throw out. I am a studs and scrubs auction drafter. I tell myself sometimes when I do it, I won't be, but I always am. Like I get myself involved into probably spending high on four players and then finding values. So I think I don't run into your issue. I never leave money on the table because I'm spending money early and I am finding myself later in draft just trying to kind of piecemail some of the other pieces. So that's my strategy. I never run into what you're doing. If you are running into that situation, this is probably a conversation around the must have who are players that you must have to spend on early, late middle. And again, I don't even think it has to be an auction thing, but Erickson, you're welcome. I mean, I think it's like Jalen Waddle and Nick Buka. I just want to have on teams. I think if I do that, I'm going to probably spend on high running backs as well. I obviously still like McCaffrey, but I think if it was PPR guys like Devon H and, but again, that's my caveat here. I don't save up money and try to have the hammer like people love having the hammer. I just want three or four banger players and I also go out early like I am, I'm going to get my first player in the first two or three because I have year after year in auctions found that I'm going to get better deals on players early on when people then start becoming desperate. Oh, the tears changing of running backs, the tears changing and wide receivers. So I am aggressive early and I get a high amount of players. Do you have any different strategy you play towards auction and or who are some must targets that you are going to be spending money on? I agree going aggressive early is the way to move because at the time it might seem like you are being aggressive, but then when the actual dollars for every player, you see them, you might realize, oh, I actually got a deal on this player and it's when Kyle Pitz goes for $4 less than Colson Lovelin, you're going to be like, I'm glad I was aggressive, you know, and that can be said, I'm going for $27 and then Kyle Pitz goes for $22. It's just a rough example. But you can only get that experience by doing these auction drafts because that's at least my experience doing it with the King's Classic with Pat Fitzmorris as my co-manager and being in a live draft room with a real auctioneer when the bolts are flying like after those first two rounds, that's when the market price is really starting to get set. Whereas the first two rounds go by of people putting players on the board for certain prices. And it's kind of no man's line. Like you have kind of like a gauge because everyone has their cheat sheets about, okay, $200 budget. Guys should go for this range, but it's those first two go rounds where the player's tears kind of get set. And I think it makes more sense to be more aggressive. And again, it's not always going to work like you may end up overpaying. But I don't think you should ever feel bad for overpaying for an elite player and that's like the thing at the end of the day. So even if you do overspend a little bit, well, I overspend on junior gifts, like I can live with that. I overspend on Jamar Chase, okay, I can live with that. You know what I actually hate overspend on a bat, like a mid player. Well, you know, it's funny about that. I actually kind of even though I said Jalen Waddle and Egg Buka, I kind of hate being put in the position where if you know, everybody likes a player that I'm then now going to be forced into overpaying for Jalen Waddle. So that's a great point. You say, let me overpay for Justin Jefferson. Let me overpay for Pukinakua instead of everybody. You think you're going to whatever your site as Jonathan Brooks' cost is going to be his average cost, LOL. There's no, he's going to go for so much more than whatever site you're drafting on says it's going to be. And it's like, I want those guys, but those guys to me become the problem because everybody knows about the sleepers and overpaying for them. I don't like doing that. So I love that you said overpay for the top dogs. Don't put yourself in a situation where you're massively overpaying for the buzzy, fun, mid-align players, not to say that necessarily Waddle or Bucke can't be top 12 or anything like that, but I just don't like being put in that position. Yeah. So that's one thing for early round players, mid-around players, like some names of just the guys. I think that might not be so, so expensive. I think that the Andre Swift is probably a player that I think you can probably get at a reasonable price where he's got a locked and loaded RB2 floor. And if this bear's offense is as good as we think it can be, maybe he finally gets unleashed as a running back one this season, receivers in the middle rounds. There's a lot of great guys that you can go through whether it's the Waddle, whether it's the Bucke's, Garrett Wilson, T Higgins, those are two other players that they don't get a ton of buzz because one's on the jets and one is a number two receiver, but they're also proven producers. And I think that for me, it's, I almost want to put guys that are not breakout players on my auction teams because you just don't see, is there going to be a bidding war for Garrett Wilson? So they're going to be bidding war for T Higgins. Probably not. Well, it's kind of what I was saying. And those guys, look, do I think that they're like going to have superstar seasons like not necessarily, but do I think they can be like serviceable parts of your team and your roster? Yeah. And you can get them a good prices. So those are just some names that I would listen to and I would also punt quarterback because a lot of auction leagues, quarterbacks go for basically nothing. And nobody bids them up because everyone knows how deep the position is. So that's another thing that I would do in the lay rounds. Yes, sir. You can also, if you want to see like players that we're into, if you haven't listened to a million episodes of us, we've got like a top targets articles on fantasy pros. If you go under the draft kit, you just fansprose.com or on the app, you can go to the draft kit. And you'll sign, you'll see like Erickson, Debro, Fitsy, I've got one of like our cheat sheets, top targets and stuff like that. And that can maybe help you figure out these are players. If we want them, we might be willing to auction more, but just remember what we've said. Like, I don't disagree with you. Like Garrett Wilson, Roman Dunes, he doesn't feel like those are going to be guy, you know, who is going to go for way more Jonathan Brooks, Parker Washington, like those are guys that are going to go for astronomical amounts, not to say that you don't want them, but that's just how the auctions are going to, if you're like banking, like, well, guys, I'm going to get the value on Parker Washington. It's like, you're probably not actually. So good luck. Jay Mac. Premium member on the fantasy pros discord. What's up, Jay Mac? I'm new to that Mike. No. Sorry. I'm sorry about that. There it is. I appreciate it. I see question 12, team 1, QB, the league analyzer estimate projected sixth right now. So that's something. But someone's coming after Sharbon A and his best offer is a 2028 second round for Sharbon A. What do you think? Yep. Take it. You're, you're easy on that. Yeah. They just drafted a running back in the first round. He's coming off a major knee injury in a contract here. So I have no idea what Sharbon A could be in 2027. But he may be on a different team. I don't like his outlook. I, I don't like the trade because I think Sharbon A can reestablish value. I mean, I'll be honest with you, like, there's a chance that he could just destroy his value where he doesn't come back and he's just nothing. But I think there's some, we're talking about a 2028 second round pick. I'm not sure that the value holds there. And I think there's a power. in the next 12 months where he either comes back, they give him opportunity, he reestabishes his value, or he is a free agent, he's on a new team, and he's been being the starter. If you would have said a first round pick, I think that's something where you don't screw around. I don't think a second round pick to me is worth. I would rather sit on him and see if I can recoup better value 'cause a second round pick doesn't hold as much weight. But Erickson and I have different like dynasty philosophies, especially when it comes to like players and draft picks. Well, to your point, I think that waiting for a sharpener to probably just come back first is probably. Before he comes back and plays, just okay, he's back healthy, he's gonna play this week, that's when you trade him, before he actually steps foot on the field, but when he's not on IR or Pupp anymore. There might be, it might be the literal worst time to trade him is, Jadaring Price continues to go up, he's on the Pupp, no one's talking about him. You do, there's an opportunity, like I said, that he becomes a big ol' fat nothing burger and you get nothing for him, but do you really care that you lost out in two years from now, second round pick? I'm just not, I just don't know if that matters as much. But that's me, Jack, Jack premium member on the fantasy pros discord. What's up, dude, come on down. Dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun. Hey, what up? - I put my question in the chat. It's another dynasty thing. I lost in the championship. I have a really solid roster. One quarterback, two Roger Sievers, two running backs, two flats. And so I'm kind of being asked to make trades. I don't feel like I need to make trades. I think this is kind of like a do a trade because I'm bored kind of situation. So it would be sending Rashi Rice and Javante Williams to upgrade like RB3 and RB2 for Breast Hall and a 27 second and fourth. I don't know if that's like the fantasy pros dynasty rankings, makes it kind of seem pretty equal. I just wanted to see what you guys thought. I don't know. - Yeah, I think I hate it. - This is a one you gotta walk away. You gotta walk out. You never hated to trade more. You just said you're gonna upgrade it, you're downgrading it, running back. You're actually downgrading it, running back Javante. - I mean, it's a lateral at best. - At best it's lateral. So that means Rashi Rice only worth a second and a fourth round pick. I hate it. - Now if you're trying to win now 'cause this is the only time he's gonna help you. - I wanna win now. - Yeah, that's right. - Is to win now. - Yeah, I wanna win now. - I gotta go right. - Rice is only good if you want to win your league now. 'Cause there's no difference between Rice's dynasty ranking and his redraft ranking because everyone knows that 2027 he could be out of the league. At that point, we don't know what's gonna happen to Rashi Rice, but this year he should at least be productive. - By the way, Jack was sounding like Deepro here. He's getting bullied around at his league. Like, "Oh, they just want me to trade." Like, "No." That's a bad trade. - That is disappointing. 'Cause he got Bijan Forty Burger last year in the championship, which obviously sucks. - But yeah, don't let the league meets bully around. Like, "No, you run the trades. You are Howard Roseman. Have confidence." - You were the captain. Yeah, you counter and you go like, "I'll give you Rashi Rice and I want Breeze Hall in a second round pick." And then just you go there. Like, that's in the other direction. That's how I play the hammer. - Oh. - I play the hammer down. That's where I want the hammer. Not in the auction league. I want it in the trades. Take it back. What is it? Oh, JJ, what's up JJ? - How you all doing? - Good, man, how you doing? - Good, I have two trade questions for you. One is a dynasty. I have AJ Brown and I'm rebuilding. Do I trade him? I have an offer on the table for Caleb Douglas and the first. The second question. - Wait, first in 2027? - First in 2027. - Okay, stop there for a second. Let's just break that down. So hold on, JJ. Erickson, what do you think about this? - Yeah, that's the market price for Brown. If you rebuild her, Brown is going to be, he's older. So I think that getting a first for him makes sense. - He's a first alone, just that doesn't. - I mean, 2027 classes stacked. So. - No, no, I completely agree with that. But I'm like, the guy that you would take in the top 15, regardless of age, who's just going to have a couple more years, like a first round, that's a loan will do it. - I mean, you want to know. I guess like for me, it's enough. I mean, obviously I'd want as much as I could get, but I think that's the going rate. I think that's the market price. - Okay, yeah, I'm not in love with it, but again, I'm like, I'm super hyper. Like, I guess you want to have your picks next year. And if you told me that is a projected top five pick, I think that holds a lot more weight. If you're going to tell me that's like, bottom half of the first round, it's just like, I don't know, man. I guess you said your rebuilding is just like, can you not get more? But again, you can tell the differences of me and Erickson have. What was the second question? I just did a redraft and Josh Jacobs is my RB2. How worried are we about his legal situation? And should I trade for Marsha and Lloyd? Guy that has Marsha and Lloyd, wants Quentin Johnson back for him. - That's a good question. I think I'm generally worried about the suspension, but it's probably only going to be to like a one or two game run. I love the idea of getting Marsha and Lloyd, but would you trade Johnston for Marsha and Lloyd? - So you're not responding to this Jacobs report because that thing, that was nothing new. - That's the same stuff that's always been out. It's been out there for a while. - Right, but I think that it got confused because some of the reporting was that, oh, we're embracing for him to be suspended when they asked him. The question was, were it a very different leave than how some of the reporting was where it could have been a kind of misleading of, okay, he's going to be preparing for him. - Yeah, like we're there preparing for him to get suspended. No, the question was the reporter asked, "Gutacans, hey, so are you prepared if Jacobs gets suspended?" And of course, he's going to say, "Yes." So he's going to be like, "No, we're so screwed." If the Peyton Manning thing where it's like, "We don't practice F to write if Peyton Manning were to go down." It's one of the backups that we've played. It's like, "Well, Peyton Manning doesn't play, we're screwed." So the packer's a little bit more prepared. I think Lloyd for Quentin Johnson is fair, but I think that we're playing scared here, I think a little bit. I mean, you drafted Josh Jacobs as your RB2 and now you're handcuffing him when there really is no other information. So I don't really love this maneuver, to be honest, like this feels like you're drafting and playing kind of scared, which, I guess why do you draft Jacobs in the first place? Maybe you really thought you were concerned. I mean, maybe I get, I don't know where they got him in the draft as RB2. So like he was like six-round pick, like six. There's not a lot of risk there. So I don't know, I don't love this maneuver. - Yeah, I'm kind of indifferent about, I mean, 'cause he said this is redraft, right? So like-- - Yeah. - But like, you and Johnson's going way ahead of March on Lloyd, I feel like, is he not? - Yeah, no, 100%, like in my brain for minutes, I was sitting here, I was like, I don't know, like dynasty, like I want Lloyd. Maybe, I mean, unless you're D-Bro and how you think Johnson's gonna perform, like Lloyd is like a really great buy, but in a redraft, like what's the path for Lloyd? It is like strictly down to two things. Josh Jacobs gets suspended for a decent amount of time or Jacob's gets hurt. Otherwise, like, can you even see a scenario where Jacobs and Lloyd become Kyron Williams and Blake Corm, and it's like it's hard to kind of see that. So to your point, then you're now trading maybe more valuable asset that is gonna have more game time in Johnston for Lloyd. - Yeah, this just feels like Plank's cared a little bit, and I don't know if I want to do that. Like, when Johnson's the better asset in a vacuum and Lloyd is still an unproven asset altogether. So, I'll keep Johnson. - Moch Draft Mondays. This show is coming to you from our Fantasy Bros Discord. So make sure to join the community of passionate fantasy fans. This time of the year, our Moch Draft channel is happened. Did I mention before about how you can moch Draft? Yes, I did earlier. Well, guess what? Make sure to join us for a Moch Draft Monday where all users can moch Draft against each other and some of your favorite analysts. Join today at fantasybrows.com/chat. That's fantasyprows.com/chat. - Moch Draft Monday. - Love it. Nick, Nick is back on the show. I'd love to see our regulars that pop in here. Nick, what's up, dude? What do you got for us? - Hello, Nick. There we go. What's up, Nick? - Oh, Nick. - Look, Nick's had these problems before. - One, two, three, kick. Oh, oh, I, wow. - What timing? I booted him like I booted Seth from-- - Yeah, right, you got the hot feet, man. booting everybody. - I just got to get him out of there. Yeah, here we go, Nick. So, gotta be quick on the draw. Man, quick on the draw. All right, Nick. Sorry, that was immaculate timing too that I booted. But, Nick, you gotta re-accept it and come back up here. It's killing me. I get triggered finger. Like I get set three seconds of silence and I gotta start booting. All right, Nick. Well, we'll come back to you. You're having, there's some issues there. So, yeah, read, no, no, don't worry about it. Don't apologize, my friend. But re-raise your hand. We'll try to do it again. Before that, though, let's go to Catalyst. What's so dude? - Hey guys, thanks for having me on the show. I just want your two cents as far as draft strategy. I'm trying to do it for read draft. So, it's 10 team PPR, three wide receiver start. I'm coming off, championship win. Because one of the things I've benefited on the last two years is a strategy where I punt away quarterback, like past, like round 10. And I found gems two years ago with Jane Daniels. and Drake may last year. So I'm thinking that as far as potentially top five numbers, maybe like three quarter of the season will be a Kyler Murray. Do you think that would be the case? - So this is, you gotta refresh me. You did a really good job of breaking down, but this is a 10 team three wide receiver PPR? - Yes. - And you want to go link quarterback and Kyler's your target, correct? - Yeah, or Caleb Williams. - Okay, well, I mean, those are two very, very different earlier than Kyler will. So I don't think-- - Okay, but then are you comfortable taking Kyler so much later, understanding Caleb's gonna go sooner? Or do you think Caleb is such a tear above that he's worth taking, you know, let's just say the eighth round. I'm just throwing out a number. I'm not looking at his ADP right now. Let's say eighth round, Caleb, or legitimately like probably 14th round Kyler. Like does the gap mean anything to you to take Kyler or because it's a 10 man league and the gaps can be different? Do you want to make sure you have a guy like Caleb? - Oh, no, he said it was 10, not 12. - Yeah, he said it was 10. - Okay. - Yeah, because I think for me, unless I really don't like any of the running backs receivers tight ends that are in Kyler's range, then I'm just gonna wait for Kyler. Because in a 10 team league, you have access to all the quarterbacks. And if Kyler doesn't work out, like you don't need to hold on to him, right? Cup eight, gone. Go to the way we're wide, because you know there's gonna be plenty of quarterbacks there, because it's only a 10 team league. So I still like going to wait around quarterback here and further investing in running backs wide receivers and tight ends. And there's also no guarantee that Caleb goes in round date. Like he could go earlier as, you know, playing for the one of the most hyped up teams. This offseason, the 2026 Chicago Bears. So if he goes round six, it's like sick. Like I'm gonna take another running back or wide receiver. Whereas we all know that Kyler is a thousand percent going in the way rounds. Yeah. Well, and there's also the Brock Parties of the world, Dak, we talked about, we're gonna talk about our sleepers. Yeah, by the way, we're talking about our sleepers here in a couple of minutes of who we've got. Kyler might be on at least one of these lessons. He's on one. He's in number one quarter. I can't find two. Breaking news, boiler alert. He's on both the bars. So he is one of those. So a big spoiler alert there. All right, Nick, you're back up. Are you here? I am. Thank you for your patience. It's all good, brother. Well, she's apologized for booting you. I'm sorry, what's the bit from Happy Gilmore? You're smart. I'm dumb. You're more attractive than me. I am less attractive. I'm sorry, Nick. I love you. What do you have? I like it about it. I'm curious in like a 10 versus 12 team league for like early round build. If you're thinking of like still sticking with like two RBs through the first three, when to go early with like tight end versus waiting a little bit, I know theoretically in a 10 you want to have like more elite onesie outside. But just curious what your strategy is. And like, you know, in like a later part of a first round, if like I'm on rock or someone falls, are you trying to go there or like try to do two RBs through the first two? And like if not, I guess which second running back you'd want to like be the cut off in those first few rounds. I think we actually, we did a segment on draft strategy, by the way, on Fantasy Fest. It's a great question. So be on the lookout for that. That one was with Seely and Fitsy. And I think we actually kind of covered this a tiny bit. I'm a BPA guy in 10 team leagues. I think maybe we've kind of discussed this a little bit if I'm going to sacrifice a position it's going to be quarterback. But I am strict best player available because the player pool is better. The whole wide receiver running back thing doesn't really vibe for me. And I've also been toying around with telling everybody like, I can't help myself when I can get Zay flowers as my third wide receiver. And you can do that in 10 man leagues because I like guys like Basiel Tutton at running back. So it's BPA. That's the best thing I can tell you. Maybe tight ends go a little bit higher as well. But I'm pushing quarterback down and I'm BPA coastline. Any differences Erickson? Yeah, no, I'd have nothing else to add. Exactly what I said, push up tight end a little bit more. Be ready to take powers, be ready to take a leveling, et cetera. What does powers look like to you for that? Because I think I'm a little more gun shy about still investing. I'm more comfortable. I can do it. But I'm still slightly more gun shy than Fits or you. What would powers look like? Like if you're in a 10 team and you had the ninth pick and you're coming around to what would that be pick a 12? Like would you do it or pick a, yeah, that'd be pick 12. Would you have powers there on the screen? If you're picking, oh, I know, I know a 10 team. No, no, no, yeah, you know where I'm at. Been a long week. Yeah. Well, wherever I guess for me, I always look at Brock Bauer's is like kind of like Drake London, except he plays tight end. So wherever Drake London goes, I feel like Brock Bauer should go one spot ahead questionable quarterbacks. Alpha target earners on their offenses, except one in place, tight end. And that makes a lot of a difference, especially in a full PPR. So yeah, I don't issue taking Bauer's at a 10 team league at the beginning of round two. But would you do it if let's say, Jenty H&J Brown and Bauer's are sitting there at 11? Would you be like, well, I want to take Bauer's because the tight end, the advantage I'm going to get in this 10 team, like would you, would you do that? Yeah, assuming that I have a running back. I think it does depend on who you go in round one. I don't know if I want to come. I did a wide receiver and you wouldn't. If you took like Jefferson at nine, yeah, I think that matters. Like because like there's no more elite running backs after the first two rounds, most likely. So that's that's what you don't want to run into. So yeah, I mean, in a 10 team league, the, we've seen Jenty fall down to 15. Is it like out of pocket to think he could come back in the third round or Kyron Williams seems to always be? I guess that's not like that doesn't still qualify. Like Elite or anything like that. But I think it's a good breakdown. There's a couple different scenarios there. I, like I said, I'm strictly more BPA than anything else. But 12 and 10 is super important to have the differences. Fuzzy. What's up, fuzzy? What you got for us? Then I see Ginger, Ginger, Tinzor in the chat. Thank you. Yeah, we got you, man. Great. Thanks for having me on. Just more of a dynasty question here. So recently, we had a couple orphan teams that got joined. So we're doing like a software reset where we're keeping seven players and redrafting the rest of the players. And I wanted to get your feedback on how many people I should-- I got to cut three. But I know I'm cutting Josh Downs. I put my screenshots of the teams that I currently have. And I wanted to get your feedback on who the other two people should be. And it's a 1/4 back QB, 12 team, dynasty. So I was leaning more towards cutting Jaden Daniels. I know it hurts, but to stack with rum with dunes, to go with Caleb Williams, and then maybe either Marvin Harrison, Travion, or Richie Rice. So that's-- so wait, what we're looking at is the entirety of the seven players that can be kept, correct? Correct. OK, cool. All right, so let's just do this real quick. And then we want to get to our sleepers. The team, just so everybody knows, I just had to go away from it. Do you have that-- here we go. I mean, it would not cut Jaden Daniels, even if I have-- So it's Caleb or Jaden. OK, so you keep Jaden. He keeps A. Chan. He keeps Jenty. He keeps McBride. That's four. And then you choose between Rice, Aduane, Zay, Henderson, and Harrison. You've got to keep three of those four. And I'm guessing Travion, Aduane, Zay, and then it's Harrison versus Rice. And, am I right? Am I on the right track here? Yeah, No, Harrison and Rice would be the two guys I would cut. If he needs to cut three people. But if he has to keep one of those. Because that's how-- remember, it's the two running backs, Daniels, McBride-- oh, yeah, Henderson. Yeah, sorry, I screwed that up. So then it would be-- or no. No, I'm doing this right. So now it is Aduane, Zay, Harrison, and Rice. Oh, yeah, we're keeping Aduane, Zay. So then which do you do, Harrison and Rice? I think I'm going to cut Harrison. Yeah, I'm cutting Harrison. See ya. I just see ya, buddy. I'm going to-- I've got a show. I guess he's got to show it to me first before. Yep. See ya, pal. Kick it as a fun one. Jinsor, what up, dude? The Hollow Knight himself. I did my homework from last week. Do you want to refresh your on what the homework was? Oh, yes, this-- yeah, do it. Please do a refresher. I forgot. We told you to draft, but I don't remember what we told you. Yes. So the premises, I'm in a 14 team league. It's full PPR, starting to run you back. Two Irish speakers in a flex, so then everything else is pretty normal. And I'm in the four spots. So Chase is probably going to be gone as well at the top two ARBs. So I'm looking at, you know, probably a wide receiver. Because I don't like CMC or JT. And so when I was mocking, I can get a Pooh-Gur, JS Center, Ominar Outro, but one of those I decided to take. And then AJ Brown and Zay Flowers. Because I don't like the running and vaccinating those spots. And then it was pretty much-- This was that three wide receiver thing, right? When we were talking about should you go three wide receivers? The episode didn't air last week, so reminding everybody, this was where I got kind of like enamored with three wide receiver. So we said, go to the mock draft simulator experiment with it. So you took three straight wide receivers. And now you're going to break down what you're running back situation look like. All right. And before I get to that reading back part, I just want to quick question on that first wide receiver. Because it's a 14 team. So I want to be a little bit more safe with that first pick. So I'm thinking, do you think it's crazy to go Ominar Outro? sort of JSN or Puka if they're there just since he's such a high floor high ceiling player. Not crazy, but I'm not doing it, but it's not crazy. I'm taking Puka. Yeah, Puka's my pick as well. But not Puka. Right, okay. Okay, so worst case ready Max, I got were Ramandre, Jonathan Brooks, JK Dobbins, and Jacordi Krasky-Marit. So as far as worst case goes, pretty bad. Pretty bad. Yeah, it's pretty bad. Those where you're at, yeah, Ramandre. Our Ramandre was the RB1, Brooks was the two with Bill. That is a pretty bad yes. And this was like, I mean, I have a newborn sign mock draft, you know, I'm holding them in the sleep. So I was like, probably 25 mock drafts. I got it took a long time for me to get something that bad. Okay, so my question then is to clarify this, that was an entire like that was the worst version of what one team looked like, correct? That was weren't just like the words, were those the worst RB1s? You put across all of them, or was that an entire RB setup? That was an RB setup. That was my roster of our views. Okay. Yeah, that does stink. Yeah. The best case was Tutin Swift, Jonathan Brooks, and Pollard. That rocks. That I love that. Erick and you love that. A lot of times with Paul Larry, who's the other one? Tutin Swift, Pollard and Brooks. Wait, he said Brooks beforehand. He said that. He got Brooks in both of them. Yeah, that's what I mean. Yeah, the Brooks always lives in these, but this, this thing rocks. Yeah, yeah. Well, because you said, well, you mentioned before, it was bad. Because the other one is Ramandre Brooks. He's telling me Ramandre and Pollard. Ramandre is better than Pollard. Okay, but Tutin and Swift are the one too. The other scenario Ramandre and Brooks are the one too. Yeah, I get that. That's poop. I mean, well, Brooks is in both of them. So I guess I'm not as like, but Brooks is the number three here in this one. Number four, or well, number three, I guess if you like him over Pollard. Either way, worst case scenario, I don't think is Doomsday, and best case scenario is Swift, or Tutin, which I think is really good. So I like this bill of procedure. And I think that doing these reps is helped. I would tell you, it answers to do. You don't get that. Very good change. Are very good homework. I hope we answer that in. Yeah, he's after his next week. Yes, yes, a report back to us. What's that? Put on the fridge. A plus put on the fridge. Yeah, I love it. All right. Last one. And then we'll burn through some sleepers. This is Duh-duck Mafia. What's up, Doc Mafia? Yeah, gentlemen. I want to say that word before my three seconds is over. I'd like to thank both of you. This is my first time in here. And if you can't tell from the accent, once a pat, always a pat. Yeah, you and Eric's and blood brothers share. All right, what you got, man. Okay. So we have a we have a redraft every year. No, no, it's not a redraft different league. I'm sorry. We're going to league with two keepers. And my keepers this year are going to be Hampton in the third and Javante Williams in the sixth. I ended up getting lucky. In our league, if you are seventh to 12th place, there's like a lottery and whoever wins that lottery will go first in the and that keeps everybody playing. So nobody just ducks out and sells everything they have. My keep really does something similar with the lottery. Yeah. And I didn't use to like it, but this year I love it because I'm first and Gibbs is in that is in there. And so just though both of you know, I asked Pat this question and he had some colorful adjectives and said, that's what I'd be if I didn't take Gibbs right out of the gate because I had chase and he told me to drop him. I'm like, I just got chased. He goes, I don't care. Drop him and go and take Gibbs. Your running backs are all set. Then you can work from there. So my question to you is in this particular league, we, I'm sorry for the pre-flow. I just wanted you guys to know that because in this league, we have to take a rookie. Every year we have to take a brand new rookie. And my question to you guys is knowing what what I already have, what rookie would you guys consider me looking for and when in the draft? Would I just have to take a rookie at any time at any given time? That's correct. Okay. Yeah. You got to take Gibbs by the way. I don't know. That's kind of a loaded question as far like it would probably obviously running back is good. So I don't think I'm going to sit here and tell you, Jeremiah Love or even like the Jonah Coleman's of the world. Go ahead. No, I was going to say this is a terrible rookie running back class in general. And love is going to be the most expensive one. So I think giving that you feel really good about your running backs anyway, probably don't need to draft a subpar rookie running back. So I think I think, I think the play for me is true for, is it Tyson? And you just, hey man, he's going to be cheap because he's injured right now. But if he comes back healthy, dude, like that guy can be a monster. Again, it's a total boomer bus type of play. But one that we can be look at next year and be like, oh my god, like, you got to run Tyson for that. So that's kind of what I know. So that's, you know what is interesting about that is like if he's keeping, was it Javante and Hampton? I remember who it was. Hampton. I was about to be like, is there really a scenario where to, well, guess what? If Tyson comes back and he balls, and you got him in the like, well, throwned. I can see a scenario where you dump back Javante and then you keep Hampton and you keep a absolutely late round Tyson. I actually really like that Tyson one. I'm indifferent about Tate. We are on different sides, but like Dejon Stribbling, you can just get, I know he's going up higher, but maybe nearly you can get him later. I think the big focus here is wide receiver. Go for a rookie wide receiver. And I think Tate actually might be a super, super sneaky option like Ericsson's talking about because there's a potential for a keeper, a true keeper there. Rest of the guys might have a much harder path and actually being kept, but I like that one. I like that one. So go for wide receiver. Very great questions. All of you guys rock. That leads us to the sleeper section of the episode. So again, top seven. We have all the pressure now to try to somehow get back into the top 10. So we can be on that article and everyone's happy with us because we got tagged in it when we got it in fantasy pros. And we're like, oh, yay, we got there. Top five. How do we get back to top five? Let's talk through it. The fantasy pros sleeper ranks, how you guys end up seeing them is just in your draft boards. I think there, there's obviously like articles and stuff like that. But when you guys do mock drafts, you get the insights after and we have these consensus rankings of what the sleepers are. We are giving the option. So you understand, again, two quarterbacks. We can only pick two and it is from a pool of quarterbacks for running back four wide receivers, two tight ends. There's also a defense. It is a very specific pool. One slight caveat to that though is if you are active on it, some players come in and out of that. I have a, I'll give you an example, I have a wide receiver on my sleepers that is not available anymore because I was there early and this guy was available at one time. So we'll talk about that in here in a second. But let's go through it. Let's talk about our sleepers. And the first one we've already given away, we both have Kyler Murray on our quarterback. So with our sleeper quarterbacks, is he your number one or number two? He's number one. Okay. Number one for me too. We both have Kyler anything you want any color. We don't want to go too crazy long on this, but any color you want to add, especially as him being the number one. I think we've talked about the rushing upside him with Jefferson, like it just seems like he can step in and be a top 10 quarterback coming at the very back end of most drafts. And in some situations, not drafted at all. He's betting on the environment being better for him, being in a non Arizona cardinal organization, I think is going to do him well. And I just think there's no threats behind him anymore with McCarthy. Whence, whence, maybe actually the back up. So he's got, I mean, it's put up a shut up, right? Like he's got a deliver or else. Yeah. All right. Do you want to do court? You want it? Should we do all of them by the way? I guess I didn't even ask you. Do we want to give away all of the stuff? Yeah. Let's, yeah. Again, we don't have to dive deep into them. And we can always resurface some of them when we talk next week as we kind of put like pen to paper. I didn't even mean from a time perspective. I didn't know if you wanted to like, we wanted to hide any of them. No, I didn't. Again, people got drafts. They got to know. So Malik Willis is my second quarterback. I was going to do like, let's do a one, two, three shoot and then say the name. I'm also Malik, so we're where exactly. Yeah. So Malik Willis is done. We had, I had some, I want to give this stat. I just want to do this because I did research before the JJ episode on fantasy fest because I knew he had him as a sleeper. My favorite thing I pulled up and I actually use coach here in fantasy pros. Coach is in the corner bars of everything. It can help you in drafts, but you also can ask it questions. And I had it do, I mean, I let it to giving the information sit for the last 10 years. I had at least every quarterback that had 500 yards rushing or more. And what their fantasy finish was, 28 quarterback showed up only three of the 28 did not finish as a top 10 quarterback in fantasy. The average of all 28 combined was quarterback five. That's a good case. By the way, fantasy pros projections, Malik Willis, number two in rushing yards at quarterback at over 600. So that was one of the fun cases. So I think we agree on that. Let's go to running backs. This is going to be a much more open pool here. I I bet we don't even have two of the same ones. Let's work down from four to one. Coming in at number four for you is, ain't big day. Ooh, tanky. Is that based on injury or is that just based on usage? [BLANK_AUDIO] a mix. Tank bigs, it was actually good last year when most of the Eagles offense was not good and he plays behind an older running back. Where are we ranking tank bigs if you say Bob Barkley misses a week? He's going to be ranked really, really high. So some of these running backs, you need an injury. Obviously, that's the best case scenario for tank bigs bigs bigs big. But the way they've been talking about him, like I think that he might have some type of role. So for me, that's why he's number four. Number four, I've got Mike Washington. I think that kind of speaks for itself. People might have him higher. There's a little, I don't even think it has to necessarily, necessarily injury based, but he might get some early production. So I got Mike Washington coming in at number three. You have Keith Mitchell. And I still don't know if I love this one or not. I just think I have one time. I feel like he's going to be popular here and someone that I'm like towing with like, I see the path. But then like he's already hurt. So that doesn't make me feel good. They like with all. So he's one that I struggle with. But honestly, I don't love a lot of the late round running back. So he kind of by default made my ranking, but I don't love him. I did have him at one point, but I did end up taking him off. My number three is Marshaan Lloyd. Marshaan Lloyd with the Josh Jacob stuff. Him getting run. I really like him. Number two for you. Yeah, Lloyd, if there was a fifth spot, Lloyd would be fifth for me. And he might be in my final list when I completely finalize everything. Number two is Jonah Coleman. Okay. Well, very interesting. My number two is Braylon Allen. I think I get in fights with Bogman about it. Everybody thinks it's core breeze hall. I'm just not sold on it. I think Braylon Allen is kind of a beast and might have some touch on equity. And my number one sleeper running back is Jonah Coleman. That is my actually. It's funny that you say that because mine is Jonah Coleman at number one. Who shores? I don't Samson as number one. I don't know too. And I'd let him go. You let him go. I don't know if I love him as I never won though. So I might just we might just hand I'm cool with handholding Jonah Coleman at number one. A piece like that is that is the only one that we had an agreement on. So we agree that's the only one that we had. Yes, so that's a good one to be like our number one running back sleeper. The extra point will put become the new the new face of the show is Jonah Coleman. Kyler Marines are extra point quarterback and Jonah Coleman's are running back Jonah Coleman on the tailgate fantasy football team Jonah Coleman. Oh, okay. You made the team hopefully be on mine. All right, let's go to let's go to wide receiver coming in at number four for you is who? Tray Harris. I'm obsessed. How do you know? What are you talking about? How is he going to be realistic? All right, that's fair. Number four for me is Tank Del. I am a little bit worried about the booty. The booty coming in here, but I've been a Tank Del guy for months, and I think I like Tank is just still a beast. And I think it might take a couple of weeks, but back half of the season, I just would not be surprised if Tank starts kind of return. These are our true guys are true. I'm a true. I'm a true. Nobody else like I'll go down with Tray Harris, go down Tank Del. Doesn't matter. Nothing is going to take me off of Tank Del. So I just got to do it. Number three, coming in at number three for you. I'm struggling. Had to put in there. Oh, you dog. You liar. What do you mean? You're not allowed to have him. What do you hate? Or can he have also their list? That's not allowed. I've been more positive about him again. He just has to be a sleeper. He doesn't necessarily need to meet his ADP. He'll sleep. So what's your number three? He's trying to make your list at all. He did make my list. I'm not shocked. He's on your list. Not on a list. I'm shocked. He's on your list. I mean, again, like I'm playing the numbers here. It's him against. I want you guys. I don't really the less is there. I love that much. Yeah. By the way, to give perspective, because I didn't do well, okay. Number three for me is Debo Samuel. So you did both 49 receivers. I have both 49. You're hedging. Yeah. I am hedging a little bit. To get perspective of the players that are available on the wide receiver list and the running back because I didn't do that. Running back kind of starts around Taj, Tajer Spears, Keaton Mitchell, Tank, Charbonne, Dylan Samson. Those are the top five available. And then it goes down from there. Wide receiver starts at Rashid Shaheed down. I have a player that would rank much higher, but I was earlier. That's going to come in in a tiny bit, but my number three is Debo Samson. And I'll tell you right now, my number two is Dejeanne Stribling. So I have Debo and Dejeanne. There's a tiny bit of a hedge, but at the same time, you know, Mike Evans a little bit banged up. Debo is going to be using a very specific way. And even in these weird ways last year, he was like a top 24 and half PPR. He's got a lot of touch on equity. I just I find it hard to believe that Stribling is not going to get targets, but I did have him at one at one point. I took him off of number one. So I don't have him at one. Who is your two three and two? You said three was Stribling. Stribling is three. Yeah. Two is for who's two. Okay. So you went with the top guy. So coming in at number one, I don't think you're going to have my guy. Unless you put him on earlier, because he's I don't think he's available anymore. I'm not sure. Maybe I'm not seeing it because I have picked him. Who's your number one? Digs. Oh, he is available then. I have stuff on. Yeah. No, it's the same player pool for everybody. That's why I think we take some players off sometimes. No, no, it doesn't. So that's why Jordan Tyson's not available. Even though he is now in that range, because he's going too high when the sleeper rankings were first released, because they don't want to change the player pool, because that again, that's like not fair, because everyone is so there are some players that can't qualify sleepers, but digs to me just feels kind of like he's the key now and pick from last year, which was like the best pick you could have made. So it's just kind of like rinse and repeat. Okay. So we've now got a consensus quarterback. Now we're going to join me in running back and we have stuff. I know there's a problem. We got digs in. We have stribbling. Let's just go to Titan. Then give me your top two on the Titan. We'll just be quick about that. John Johnson and Greg Dullsich. Do you want to take a guess of a minor? I mean, I can't remember if you like Dullsich or not, is it? So it's the same players, Erickson. It's the exact same players. I have Dullsichs at two and I have John Johnson at one. Is that how you have a team? We got to make a graphic for this. Wow. Okay. Yeah. Let's get another face off type of branding. Yeah. 100% we did not even talk about what our sleepers are. And I don't even think you can visibly see. I'm not sure if you can see them right now, but I had no idea. Very, very interesting that we have the same top at it. Well, we didn't at running back, but we are now, but those are all sleepers. Yeah. There you go. So all right. All right, defense though. I mean, this is like if this matches, then all bets are off. But all right. Who do you got? Lions. I have the Packers. We have some division. All right. Some things change, but I guess our all team is Joanne Johnson, Diggs, Stribbling, Jonah Coleman and Kyler Murray. If you want to build a team, those are our all sleeper teams there. You guys take that for whatever it is. We were top seven. We'll see if we even can be in the general range moving forward. 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