The Evolution of Paige Paul (Formerly Lorenze)

hey well congrats wifey thank you that's so exciting i know it is wait is that the is that the band this one yeah oh it's under shake i love it congratulations how long have you been married for too long no but your family is so precious 10 years i've been a long fan of yours i feel like i've been a fan of yours for 10 years i feel like i've also known you from the beginning from the beginning where i'm like to new people that like are obsessed with you now good for you but i've been there like no you i got sent a video that you made where you were just being like very kind i was yeah and supporting me and um it was so nice and uh i became an immediate fan and yeah but you've really seen all of my all your shit you i was wondering yeah because because when i was thinking about like this interview and i was like hey i remember when you lived in new york i remember what your fucking like apartment looked like you know because you posted it yeah all the time and i was like yeah i've been doing this for a long time right and like is that archived or can people find like you know what i mean oh yeah my whole everything's on the internet okay everything's on it all the evolutions of yes i just oh yeah i just post so much that it gets like you have to really scroll yeah um yeah everything's on there everything's on youtube um all my hair colors and getting lip filler and dissolving lip filler it's all it's all on there because it was very blonde then very blonde yeah but you always had the like kind of two sides i feel like i feel like yes maybe new york was like a little messier and you would maybe come home drawing and like giggle with your friends but you always also had the like bronco or something yes yes i mean that's just the way i grew up yeah for sure i definitely have always had that sort of more suburban country side of me but i think that's something that people think nowadays is that i am still that silly like i'm still like i don't go out as often but like when i get drunk it's you guys she asked for a white cloud noon i did i'm still that girl and we were like we have beer she's like okay i'm drinking i really thought you would be like no to the beer but i feel like that is important i feel like i'm still that girl i feel like i'm still by the way and that's why i think it's great that you're doing my pod yes because like and that's why i like doing podcasts because i think that because of my aesthetic and because i like curating so much yes like i find so much beauty in curating socials that i think it has made me seems very serious that i can't make fun of myself and that i don't get silly and i do that's so true do you think about that all like a lot it's or you're just aware of it no it's definitely come up more i think recently just because i am i would say in vogue for you know her wedding is in vogue like she's she's she's a lady i've grown i'm realizing that people haven't seen all these sides of me right some people are just discovering me now for the first time and they see me marrying a tennis player it's a very polished sport and they see just a version of my instagram that is more polished it is and um i think it's just not a true representation of who i am of all the sides all the sides of me and i think also people like to put you in a box oh she's one thing or she's this or she's that um and i think that something that's always been a part of who i am is that i'm just like a lot of different things um so when like people that like follow you meet you do you think they're like surprised or i definitely think so except you're probably not like being said they're probably like hey page love you and you're like well kind of like hey no and they expect you to like curtsy or something yeah i think that i'm also just i don't know like i like i like showing up with warmth with people yeah because i i want people to feel comfortable so i think that when you're sort of self-deprecating and silly and warm yeah people can put their guard down around you um and i want people to feel like that around me i just saw something so funny before we get into the wedding that i saw that you saw but so i want to bring it girls this came up on my feed and it was like they were uh claudia talks about like getting skinny a lot or you know whatever and she was like when i get skinny again she was like i'm gonna do skinny like i saw that video that was so silly that's like the the thing like the girl yeah they're so kind to me and supportive um are you friends with them i'm friendly with them yeah yeah yeah yeah they said that that was very funny but that was so like because you do have this like like how does it feel like you have this thing that like people want like to be you know they're like yeah right yeah i think that it's it's so flattering but i think that in so many ways i think that beauty and a lot of like beauty that is shown that maybe people see or the reasons they think i'm beautiful i think that beauty and a lot of like beauty that is shown that maybe people see or the reasons they think i'm beautiful it's it's a lot of just like i'm not it's kind of hair and makeup and putting together outfits and effort right like i'm not saying that like i am i am honestly my most comfortable self when i am not wearing makeup and when i'm just at home with tommy but i think that in a lot of ways i felt like at a young age to create a sort of not online character but this person and this persona you do have to do the hair and the makeup and it's fun and it's fun like i find fun in that but that's not it's not like real life you know like i'm not saying that i don't look like that right but it's also not it's glam and it's hair and it's makeup and it's effort yeah um to look that put together and to look that tan and that's it i love how you say that i am tan oh by the way but i love your tip because as you were saying like i love being at home and like comfy i'm thinking of you and like low-rise like you know heather gray swept me like fantasizing and like and yeah a really tanned flat tummy and that still fucking looks good you know what i mean but i get what you're saying yeah obviously i get what you're saying you guys it's also not all about the looks she has other things but but but i understand i mean i'm obviously posting a lot of photos of myself in a curated way and i think that it is so flattering and i do care about the way that i look but i think that it's it's also feels like part of my job in a way um you're very good at it thank you like if you weren't doing this for you you could do it for other people do you get what i do you think about that like yeah i you're like if i if i never open my own shit like you could be hired to do it for not that that's what you yeah social media wise but you're very good at like making things look good branding and stuff like that i think i'm doing what i'm supposed to be doing which feels really good because you went through a lot of different things to get here right but yes but i do think i've always been really consistent on social media matter if i was crashing out or going through something i think i've always put my head down and taken it seriously like a job um like i love what i do and i'm really proud of my career as a creator um because i've yeah i've stayed very consistent how's it changed though because you said like there was a different kind of page at the beginning but in terms of how much you share has that changed like were you more like face to camera at the beginning like guys i'm going through this and now it's more like come with me to a tennis day and maybe it's like a little bit less like personal personal i would say yes because i've gotten older and i think that i also think that in many ways with the internet now people have there's some sense of like bullying the silly and wanting to share sides of me um that is subconscious um and i think that the internet has changed a lot things are taken out of context there's no nuance anymore um people really view us as one-dimensional things and people and i find that it makes me want to share less yeah because even if i were to say something that maybe i did regret or something that maybe um you know maybe i have an opinion on something that my opinion changes in six months right there is no room for me to say anymore on the internet you cannot change your mind you really cannot they don't really allow you to grow up even though they want you to grow up it's it's it's like an impossible feat that you're very aware of i'm very aware it's true i'm very aware and i'm very career oriented so like i'm not gonna allow that to i'm not gonna allow anyone to take that away from me or my career or diminish me so i just don't share in certain ways anymore but that wasn't like one day i woke up and decided i can't do this anymore i think it was like a subconscious over time of just like i see also how people are talking about other women regardless of how they're talking about me yeah like uh i would say like the hate that i get is pretty um normal and not that drastic compared to a lot of other people and it's quite normal with my fan base it's it's like i think it's usually a percentage of your fan base not like if you're a normal creator if you have a certain amount of followers you're gonna like it's gonna happen you're saying yeah like if you have two million instagram followers like three five percent of that is going to be hardcore haters um that are following i hope you guys are listening like obsessively they're obsessively following well i also think that in life the difference between love and hate is kind of like similar it's fine it's a fine line but it's also if you that feeling of loving someone and caring enough can also be flipped on its back and yeah and you can have that same passion maybe you shouldn't be that passionate either way what are your thoughts on that it is interesting and this is actually something i've thought about a lot in the last week of i was thinking a lot about parasocial relationships on the internet and um what's happening right now on tiktok it's really scary it's basically because scarier right it's become a discourse now it's no longer silly funny videos it's truly like a discourse forum of talking about people that they don't know making statements about people they don't know degrading women that they don't know it's all a woman attacking woman um it's really no longer conversations that can be had it's really like one-sided things also people using taking things out of context for clickbait to use someone's name in a video because they know it'll get totally um and i think that is really damaging and i think that it's that is social media now it makes it so much less fun i remember like i just had um somebody on my podcast a little bit ago and we were laughing because she had some drama and she remembered that i called her and i was like do not face the camera no no that's the one thing you can't do like i'll do face the camera like this morning i was like i don't know if to have another baby but like in terms of how much i used to do it and you're right like whether it's deliberate or not we all are navigating this space now with more caution just because of all the different things that you've said and not to say again that it's not like a great thing and a powerful tool and made our lives and all the things but it is to me like sat like the way that you know there's that meme of like you know kids born in the 90s like know what it's like before yes internet i'm like we knew what it was like before it got ugly yes that's to me like so fun when it was pure it was pure i think one of the biggest issues i studied media in college so we talked a lot about you guys we have a degree for this wait i actually have a degree so we can talk about this um but i think that something i learned and we talked a lot about which this was a long time ago before tiktok was just how new the internet was and how there's not many laws there's not many rules there's not many regulations and i think that we are unfortunately seeing just the consequences of really unregulated platforms yeah and i think that freedom of speech is so important and if you share your life online you know people are going to have an opinion on it but the way in which discourses go so into bullying cyber bullying cyber stalking cyber harassing is in the u.s a problem and i'm not even talking about me like yes i get that i do get that but i've even spoken to mothers who have kids in high school where girls without social media without followings will use instagram to bully other women and other girls not even women like young young women um cyber bullying does not only affect influencers right um and by the way when if you're a young person and you're seeing your favorite creators that you just you can't even if you don't want to follow creators we're just like fed to the platform if we are seeing all of these things we're just like we're just like we're just like we're just like all these women talk about other women like this how is that affecting us as a community as i worry about that but circling back to the internet i think that in a few years i would say like maybe five or ten we're gonna see more laws with the internet and um so i think it's bound to happen yeah people have had i mean you know we've talked about this before but like i know like you said fans you could have a fan and you could have a hater and it's like of course the haters can the it's a greater amount of people that love you for sure they don't there's just some loud but it's just like the passionate negativity how do you find that like do you get i i think it's one of those like monkey don't say you don't hear vibes like yeah yeah if you look for like i don't want to know about it i'm sure it's happening yeah you know there's a there's a there's a community there's a community there's a small town you know what i mean they should do a link up our small village yours got a little bit scarier at some point like they were stalking you yeah and finding things out about you yes so that's like another scary level which i'm sure like is probably a reason why it affected you to maybe share less yeah like what about your home and yeah yeah my address has been posted online before which i don't know i i also think that i don't even talk about this that much because i do also think that it's not fair but like life's not fair and like every job has a set of issues and i'm choosing this job in this life and there are so many issues and problems that i have across the board but i could go get another job yeah you could be a social media i could do a lot of other things i could do a lot of other things i just think like obviously the world would be a better safer place with us crazy people in general um but yeah even you know i love talking about like salacious like drama reality tv you know yeah and i love talking about in the way of like teeth fun yes you know and then i'll get into those algorithms of people that are like you know and you're like no not the vibe that i am talking about like yeah when i started it was like let's talk about these things in this about pop culture when i started this in 2020 but in the like oh my god can you believe that yeah yeah you know i also think that you're like our generation accounts like yours where you guys are actually using like real it's like in the sense of you're actually have you have ethics when you talk about other people like you're not just going on and i think it's not even ethics it's like it's like a moral thing it's just like like you would never go on and like completely trash someone you don't know because i also care right but you but you were never told that i think it's like a new generation thing like the lack of because i think the new generation like you said is like clickbait yeah it's like i don't care about you as a human being but this getting a lot of views and likes you know yeah and i think and i've said this from the beginning of like doing this like you got to do it because you love it you know what i mean and not and i do yeah i know and that's like the thing that i like always come back to like i love what i do i love my job i've loved my career as an influencer i've now loved my career as a business owner like no one's ever been able to like take that away from me no no matter what and i've literally seen everything under the sunset about it i've never like ruined anything i think you have tough skin yeah right well no i'm actually quite sensitive um because i want to be loved yeah i love big yeah i'm a big love person so i want that big love back yeah um which i think is another thing that i like love about myself that it i wouldn't want to replace that but i've grown i've grown you've grown tougher skin it's interesting i also think that because my brand is dairy boy is so big now that it it's like okay like i have my dream house my dream husband like your dream like job life yeah um i have a very close family i have such an amazing life that i'm sort of just like now that stuff doesn't hurt as much but i think when you're kind of grinding it out and you're finding yourself that's your most like not like i get what you're saying like currency isn't whether people love or don't love me anymore which it used to be it used to be the only thing and now there's so much going on yeah well i'm so happy for you thank you and i speaking like again about how long i followed you is like i remember the like day of like i'm drinking regular milk like and like people are seeing dairy boy now doing so well you know but i i literally for people that followed you along the way from the beginning like i remember the day you were just like everyone's drinking yeah it was a crazy time everyone's drinking almond milk that was the peak of influencer fit was that scary though then to be like i mean not that it's like a cancelable thing but to be like drink milk from cows you know like were you getting uh backlash or people were like the only thing that i got was people saying that the dairy industry was cruel which i also understand like um i mean there's again every industry has its bad people and that was the only thing i got but it was really honestly way more positive do you milk cows no i mean i have before okay um one of my close childhood friends growing up has a dairy farm um and i grew up going to school in vermont so right i just was around a lot of um farms in general but i have milked a cow but i don't have cows but yeah it was definitely like what do they call it like disruptive when you yeah you know or like yeah we're like hilarious drink milk from yeah from cows yeah you know and i think that that has always been the way that i like using um my platform for in like ways that are like serious but also unserious yeah like that was very unserious and it started as march yeah because people were just like i want a hat with this on it um right yeah that's crazy but yeah it was serious but it was unserious and it was like this inside joke with my community and then it became a whole brand i already had the mood board um it was called shop lorenz so i had this account for a long time and then I basically started selling the hats on this it was all I remember you would post the like Shopify sales oh yeah do you still do that I don't anymore because it's just like I need to be more humble than that but I used to not be humble I used to be like I used to be like my computer is crashing yeah no actually like yeah that was like good marketing too it was I think people were like why do people care so much about this I want to care about it yeah yeah yeah no I love that so much I also think I a little bit like back in the day was trying to prove myself to myself 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that you'll find at a little corner bar which is totally my vibe but also so many family friendly options it just feels like one of those cities that there's a lot to do but it still has that tightness and it's just it's a lot to do but it's just a lot to do but it's just a lot to do but it's just a lot to do but it's come as you are feeling like you can relax and be yourself okay it's like going from your home to like a vacation home do you get what I mean and not coming home and feel like you need a vacation from your vacation like that's buffalo for you learn more and plan your trip at visitbuffalo.com I made a New Year's resolution once you know what people this is so in fucking niche so you know when people ask for links yes I'm sure every day so you know how like people will post like the question yeah can I have the link and then link it I made a New Year's resolution once I'm not fucking doing that anymore I don't need to prove to you that somebody asked for it do you get what I'm saying so you don't you're not posting the screenshot of the question okay noted because I still do that you're so right though no I'm like this is so it's like it's micro insecurities yeah there's I have like a hand full of them and that's on my list isn't it it's a micro insecurity it's like you know because in your mind you have the troll like nobody asked for this you know you're like I have to prove to everyone that I have the question like can I get I literally like nobody cared nobody ever said anything about it I was like this is a personal ick of mine yes and I'm and I have to stop myself well you know what cracks me up when I do question or when I this doesn't happen anymore but when I used to do like ask me anything and I'd answer them some trolls would be like you just asked yourself this question I'm like wait I'm so embarrassed like does it look like that because like they they assume they assume no one could be no one could love no we're deleting comments we're deleting reviews we control everything yeah yeah it's so crazy what's another like micro insecurity micro insecurity oh there's god there's so I have a micro insecurity by the way about amas like is that so self-important of me 100 to be like that's a micro ask me even the ask me anything like yes yes what do you want to know even like the the come with me to get my hair done I'm like wait do you like do you want to come do you even want to come like do you even like like help also do you think my hair looks good are you just watching because like I don't know oh that's so funny um I'm on the first card just so you know like that's how much we're chit-chatting chit-chatting which is my favorite kind of pod um but I have to talk about this wedding yes it's like gorgeous thank you estate your page Paul now that's first of all like very important to me to know to talk about yeah you change the ig name immediately immediately I actually didn't know it changed so we had we have like a great relationship with meta and instagram and we had told them because I had the other handle um on the 14th could you just switch it over and I didn't know what time they were going to switch it over that day after the wedding or day of that was july 14th was the wedding oh july 14th so they actually changed it in the morning um which was kind of fun but people were like how the fuck did you do this before you're they're like at the computer, like changing my thing instead of doing my work. wedding stuff like that's yeah but no that's not what happened um Instagram is just very good to me and um they switched it for me and I got a decision like did you think about it because people would assume that you would debate this is your brand it's it was never never really yeah I think it's like I I love his last name I love him first of all it's an honor to me um to have his last name I think that I want our kids I want to share my last name with my children yeah um and I just I love him so much yeah pp and you're like and it's good yeah embroidered yes I just I don't know I'm I'm traditional in that way yeah I I think marriage is so beautiful and um I yeah it was never you didn't have even an out did people try to in the business world try to sway you almost everyone was like what think about this for a second yeah although um a few people weren't but yeah a lot of people were curious or um I saw a really funny TikTok someone goes you know what Paige Paul made me less insecure about changing my last name because she went from pasta to potatoes I go oh oh okay but honestly my last name's like Italian yeah and then Paul's very like American like American so it kind of is giving I'm like she kind of clocked my shit with that but I love that I'm like okay yeah give me the potato I love potatoes did you though go through all the steps that you actually need to go through it's happening right now it's a lot of work it's a lot of work yeah did you change your last name I didn't you did it and it is true about the kids like I have kids and it's like that's what the only time it hurts yes kind of when it's like you call a doctor and you're like Amanda Hirsch for you know you're like oh what totally no and you want to be the yeah family you know I totally respect either decision like yeah I honestly would have been happy either way I just felt in my bones yeah no I love that was right um and the dress was so gorgeous thank you and timeless I feel like that was my goal yeah yeah that was my goal did you help Tommy pick his suit I did I didn't want him to show me but he just sent me pictures one day I was like wait what am I looking at oh you didn't you didn't show each other oh I didn't show my dress okay no no no that was a total surprise he showed me his outfits and I was like oh I thought this was gonna be a surprise but I was happy to help um he was really excited which is really sweet but he wore a double-breasted Burberry suit all of his looks were Burberry because he's a Burberry ambassador but which is so cute so cute and he looked so handsome and there were honey deuces yep we love a gray goose I love it yeah have you had honey juice before yes I've been to the U.S. Open I can literally slam 12 of them really no no no wait was that your wedding drink of choice oh yeah oh you rolled with that I or did you mix oh I mixed oh I'm drinking it all I'm drinking it all although like I try to not drink tequila because I get so wait what's your tolerance like because you're a small gal I'm kind of a tank stop yeah I'm kind of a tank like yeah I can drink you could drink yeah because if you're mixing honey deuces and other shit you just have to eat so you ate at your wedding oh yeah well you have like a good metabolism or something yeah I also just like work out a lot you do I'm very active yeah you post it nope not really I don't believe you that's also a micro no no but actually that's a micro insecurity like I don't want to post myself working out I just yeah I just think also I think I'm on my phone so much even when I ride my horse now I don't post about it much anymore which is hard for me my brand because people if they were to like pick any content that people want to see me doing they want to see my ass on a horse like they want to see me riding through a fucking field yeah that kind of blew up what am I gonna have a fucking tripod and be like riding my horse like but you know what I will say that I'm not going to be doing that I do think it makes it realer that you don't yes but then I have to like tell you guys that I do it because everyone's like where's the horse like I haven't seen it in what two weeks I'm like can you give me a fucking break you come you're like I don't have to show proof of life I have to show proof of life of like my animals so people don't think that I like got rid of them because there's like an aesthetic to it that I'm sure by the way don't you think it exists though that like there are people that maybe genuinely don't ride or something and are just posting about it majority of people yes okay yes majority of people I feel like are like great yeah she's probably riding in her free time but other people are like whatever but no but people doing it I mean for the aesthetic that oh yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah but you're a real rider I'm a real rider I've rode my whole life I grew up next to a horseback riding school I used to work at the barn did you ever have an accident I've fallen off if you ride enough you fall off and it's not scary oh it's scary I like almost thought I was gonna die once no it's really dangerous I talk to my parents all the time about how I like don't want to let my kids horseback ride really yeah you've been talking a lot about kids I know sorry is it like marriage I'm like breadcrumbing I was drinking a beer first of all another micro insecurity accidentally breadcrumbing did getting married make you feel like closer to that to like having a family yeah that's always I mean Tommy wanted to have kids before we even got married so oh really yeah he wants to be a dad how old are you now I'm 28 you're such a fucking baby yeah but if you had kids young it would be so hot oh yeah we'll we'll have kids soon yeah yeah yeah does that scare you in terms of like work no you don't have that fear no I also think I'm at such a point in my career where I have such good people around me to help support me and I have built this life in Connecticut in Florida that I can work it's my office is 10 minutes from my house yeah like that baby will be coming to the office with me right like like you feel like you would have a good flow yeah I mean of course my life's gonna change a lot yeah um but I'm so excited I mean I feel like you would so want a girl yeah I want I want like a lot of kids what like how many like five or six no stop yeah how many siblings did you grow up with I have there's three of us I always wanted like I feel like I just love big families I think there's whenever I would go and visit friends that had big families I just felt so so comforting and beautiful I think how many siblings does Tommy have he has same as me too so you're three yeah five or six she said you guys she said five or six yeah I also think that if you I have had a really fortunate career where I've like been able to like afford that many kids I think also right that's another I think that's a huge part yeah for sure I think you know you want to be able to give every child the same opportunity um and I think it's selfish to have kids like that many kids if you can't yeah I think because you want to be able to give them all the same like well first of all let's make a deal that we check in after your first kid okay your first pregnancy your first birth yeah and your first like terrible twos and we'll talk about the five or six okay okay and it's funny that yeah deal it's funny though I I've always felt that way and there was nothing no likes like even growing up I always even when I was like seven at a play date at my friend's house with a big family you were like you wanted it I loved it and the fact that you thought that your three siblings were not it's not big enough because I also felt like three is really tough like there's always someone left out by the way that is true like I would rather have two why did you have that in your family what there was always someone left out what are you what is it sister and I have a younger brother and an older sister and we're all very close my brother lives with me your brother lives with you now wait and but but you were two girls and a boy so didn't that make it easier for like the do you know what I mean it was it was always my brother we my sister and I are both very close with my brother but my sister and I are both very different so my brother Jack would kind of be in the middle yeah he would be best friends with Whitney or best friends with me and we would sort of like fight over him and I mean you got it seems like you won I won um but yeah I think there was always someone left out and I think that it is true I have three sisters and it is like that yeah I mean it's the best thing in the world but it also is like you know two and three I said three sisters we're we're three sisters yeah so we're three total but yeah it's the three number is hard yeah you're right don't fuck with my brain right now bitch you want another baby well I'm thinking about a third baby yeah but I don't want to be thinking about a fucking fourth baby no it's too much no that's too much I don't want to be thinking about a yeah yeah you don't think they'll start raising each other at that point like I feel like that's something people say you know what I mean you're like that's not true no I feel like it's like people say like have the third it will like raise itself you know it's not true three I don't think raises itself but four I think raises itself like I would know again we talk like yes okay okay we can we're gonna keep in touch we're gonna do a check-in yeah okay I love this for us okay I also loved two other things related to this uh wedding I love the wedding I love the wedding I love the wedding uh is the tacky bachelorette party which is very important non-curated beige ball but you know if you knew Paige Lorenz from 2020 that's her that's her I know she's not gone anywhere guys were there a lot of penises and stuff there actually were no penis oh there was one huge dildo okay yeah so what was tacky about it just the like the outfits the outfits and just the way that we were out like honestly I mean I showed a bit of it on social media but not only was I but we were just going to dive bars and was this in Connecticut or did you in Nantucket okay we were up to no good wait the connection to Nantucket came from you said you went there when you were a child I grew up summering there my whole life my uh like generations we've had families that had a house there no longer have the house there but oh so you rented a house no we now we rent yeah now you rent yeah but you grew up going to the house in the family yeah why would they get rid of the house we couldn't afford to keep it my family yeah which is funny because you're like give me a few years guys well it's really funny i always said to my mom i said i'm gonna buy it back for us the house um and it's been really interesting because obviously there's i'm on nantucket the store is doing so well oh right the store is in nantucket yeah our store is on nantucket and for me it was really like a childhood dream that i was accomplishing and i think when my family um my grandparents sold their house and we couldn't keep it i think i made a promise to myself that i was gonna work hard enough to like find my way back and and earn my way back i guess um because places like nantucket are it's really expensive it's really hard to own a home they're very expensive to even rent for a week you have to rent settled day to saturday you have to rent like the full yeah it is so unaffordable it's on it's expensive to get there it is just the most expensive place like ever do you still want to buy it back even though you have the store there you still do yeah i mean yeah it's my childhood dream like if it ever gets listed you'll know about it yeah it's wild it is now worth so much money they bought it for like nothing are they like ah yeah it's very hard to reconcile yeah i mean a lot of it happens to a lot of people if you're in a lot of these you know generationally wealthy places a lot of people get pushed out right um and it happens all the time well since you brought up nantucket yeah just for a second i wasn't in that yeah nantucket drama but you saw it i saw you couldn't miss it i couldn't miss it but i was also like i right okay we're not gonna like go crazy and no no we can talk about it just like in general the people that saw no influence or anything like that i was like sign on this like straw sorry it's like an antique shop that sells um baskets very expensive it's very it's a really beautiful store on nantucket that's probably the best real estate on main street it's been there forever so they put up a sign that said um no influencers did you see this sign i saw the sign i saw the sign before they posted it on instagram um and it's funny so a beautiful historic inspired little sign it's a very new england coastal thing and a lot of the houses are named things and they're usually like a play on words um like fun they could be like funny or silly or like an inside joke sort of how you would name a boat okay yeah you know it's like kind of like a play on words right um and this this store put up a quarter board um that said no influencers and i i saw it in person on my way to work um and i laughed at it i said what like is this real i i thought it was actually like i laughed and i was sort of like what the fuck i was like but laughing what the fuck yeah took a picture of it walked in took a picture of it kept going to work sent it to all my friends and then somewhere between the store and my store i was sort of like is this funny like is this funny or is it not or is it not yeah and i still have that feeling and were you gonna post it or no oh no no no okay so you didn't post you just commented well no so i wasn't gonna say anything or do anything i just took a picture of it as a lot of other people did and was like oh whatever and then it was like a week later i saw it starting to go viral on instagram and then i was like oh the sign that i already saw and opened the comments and i just saw this conversation about creators and about who gets i guess people deciding and the thousands of people deciding who got to belong on nantucket and um how people view the creator economy in general and i didn't think it was going to become this whole conversation um the things that happen on nantucket usually stay on nantucket it's a very small island but they posted it they posted it they also posted it i mean yeah and i and that is honestly it was like a real moment because i don't usually comment on things anymore at all like i try to like you know again things conversations lack such nuance now that i really was not going to comment on it and my gut reaction of being someone who couldn't hold on to their childhood home i felt like i earned my way back i'd open this store it's been doing so well i've you know it was um personal yeah because it's this place that i love and because it's this store that i used to go in with my grandmother who's like no longer with us um i was like we we you know like and then the comments honestly what the comments were hateful all that is why we're like influencers are the worst nastier than that if if the comments below the sign weren't what they were i wouldn't have said anything got you because the sign like i knew that i knew that it was a joke yeah i think it's a bad joke but that's my own opinion jokes are meant to be interpreted by the person you know i probably said a million bad jokes before yeah i have no regrets about chiming in no okay no i don't i don't because even if um you know even if i people didn't like that i spoke or whatever i think that it was an important conversation yeah i think that it was an important conversation that was far overdue about creator economy how people view the creator economy even if it was overwhelmingly negative towards creators i think that it just needed to happen and i think that hopefully we can all as people who are in this industry work harder to demand that respect and to show people not tell people who we are how we can act in public and i think that it was an important conversation right and i'm proud enough of my career and i think that i've shown that i'm successful enough in this industry that if i'm the one forefronting that conversation i'm fine with it in a place that i love right it means something to 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I think baby showers are amazing. Bridal showers. Don't get me wrong. I want a baby shower. I just think it's so, yeah. Like what I also love about baby showers is it's like your mom's friends. Like it's like family. Like you could. Yeah. Yeah. Like my sisters have like a ton of my mom's friends and, uh, grandparents and like older people. And younger people and celebrating like a new life. And I think also a way to get some gifts or things that are really expensive for moms. I think it's a really sweet time to feel celebrated and supported. What's a bridal shower supposed to do? This is the thing. We now have an engagement and then there's usually something the night of the engagement, if your friends are there, whatever. And then you have an engagement party and then you have a bridal shower and then you have a bachelorette and then you have. Did you do a rehearsal dinner? Yes. Okay. And then you have that. Yep. And then you have the wedding. It is. We have lost our goddamn minds. Yeah. Yeah. No, it's insane. Wait, did you say no to your friends? Like, do they want to. They really wanted to do a bridal shower. And I said, I was like, I really don't want to do this. And I thought it was so sweet that they wanted to do that for me. But they were, they were happy when like they wanted to do what I wanted to do. Yeah. I just think weddings now like inconvenience people so much and it costs so much money to like attend weddings. Yeah. Um, and that's honestly why I chose the venue that I chose because it was people could Uber and sleep at their own. Amazing. Because most of my people are in the East Coast or New York. So people, if they wanted to, could sleep in their own bed. Yeah. Um, it was Long Island. It was Long Island and it was on a Tuesday because of the tennis tour, because of the tennis schedule. I would not have had a Tuesday wedding. Although people are like, so chic. She had a Tuesday wedding. Like that's so chic. Go guys. I didn't want a Tuesday wedding, but thank you. It was either that's really chic or that's really rude. Oh, when people think it's chic, is it? Because it's like, she's not doing the obvious weekend. It's also just, I think like, wow, like you must have a lot of people who don't have like normal, like it's so stupid. Like it's, and also like the trend that's like, so I'm sorry, I'm not trying to be a hater, but like, it's so chic when I know I don't, I hate that. I'm sorry. Like we're ruining these words. We're ruining yellow text. We're ruining guys. We're ruining. You would never do yellow text. What's yellow text? Oh my God. Everyone's doing yellow text. Wait, what? Really? That's so chic. Cause it's probably written in yellow letters. Oh, it's just like, things are in yellow. Things are in yellow. Cause it's like cinematic. Cause like a lot of the subtitles used to be yellow. I maybe I'm not on that wave, but oh my God, that's the wave. Oh, chic, the yellow and yellow guys. Honestly though, maybe influencers are the worst. By the way, like maybe, maybe influencers do stop. I feel like if I did see the real, the whoever said kind of chic on a Tuesday, I'd be like, yeah, I'd be like, fuck a fucking weekend wedding. You normie. Like, you know, I think, yeah, people, people really took that Tuesday because of, uh, uh, oh, Wimbledon is now Wimbledon was the weekend. The final was the weekend before the Tuesday. Okay. So we have to talk about, cause we're almost fucking done the wag life. Yeah. Do you hate that word? No. Okay. No women. What is the, what is it? Wives and girlfriends. Oh, wives and girlfriends. And now I'm a wife. Now you're a wife. Insufferable. Yeah. So do you not hate the word? No. Really? No. Explain. How do you have positive relationships? Why would anyone hate? Like if you hate that, would you hate that word? Then like, no. Cause maybe it's like putting you like as somebody, something, but I feel like you don't have that relationship with it anyway. Cause I feel like you've really enjoyed being, but by the way, if a woman like wants to follow around her man for him and not have a job. Okay. Yeah. That's that woman's life. Yeah. Like, I just think we should stop. I'm doing both. Yeah. Like, but even if I wasn't like, oh, like, okay. Someone is dating a professional athlete and like, that's their name. But like, I think it's like derogatory cause it's woman. Like I think any of these words influencer wag it's because it's like, it's a lot of feet. Like you don't hear people being like hags. There's a lot of husbands of female professional successful women. My husband's a hag. Right. Tommy's also a hag. Like, why don't we talk about hags? Babe, that was so good. Yeah. But you know what I'm saying? Like the only reason why there's any negative connotation is because it's a woman. Like, I feel like you're in this new feminist era that I love for you. Like you really are. It's not intentional though. No, but I think it's, that you are viewing it that way because like, I feel like a lot of people don't want to, like, they wouldn't want that word associated or they wouldn't want, you know what I mean? It's like, I have my own thing and it's like, no, I have my own thing, but I love his thing. And by the way, when I do speak up about, um, you know, anything about my experience as a woman and, um, which all of ours is very different. I mean, even then I think, I mean, people, you'll never like win in that sense, but I'm just going to keep speaking up, you know, and more like conversations. I, I do a lot of like this stuff and talk about this stuff more like in my private life, like how the hag thing, like I've never told anyone that, but that's how I think. Oh, this is, you didn't just make it up. You've thought about hags before today. Well, I've just thought about, I've never said this out loud, but I've thought about that. Uh, there are a lot of husbands of professional athletes. Yeah. There's a whole woman's tennis tour with husbands in the box. Yeah. But the wives and the girlfriends, yeah. You know, it's just, it's more of a negative connotation because it's a woman, but I feel like it also does have a really positive connotation of like really glam, really chic, really fashion. Yeah. How did you like enter that world? Like you start dating Tommy. Is he like, want to come to a game? Like, do you care? Like, how does that work? We like barely knew each other. I was like, he was asking me to his matches. And did you enjoy it right away? You loved it. I loved it. Um, I was a ski racer, so it was like, I was an individual athlete. So I think, um, seeing, I, and I've never followed tennis and I didn't know much about it. Seeing another individual sport like that, I immediately fell in love. I was just like, this is the coolest sport. Have you ever like, I want to play? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Of course. Like you're like in another life I could have been. 100%. I don't know why I picked ski racing. It's the coldest. Like what was I fucking thinking? No, it's insane. I talk about it. I talk about this all the time. I'm like, uh, what? Like flying down a mountain in a spandex suit, freezing my ass off. Yeah. Grind. grind but it's definitely like made me a dog like I am the way I am because I like froze my ass off at the top of a mountain right like that was no fucking joke right also falling and like when you crash doing like downhill ski racing was your goal then I know like when you were doing the ski stuff yeah to to to go to the olympics yeah that's always the goal when you're when you're younger yeah um I was a better younger skier than I was like in high school like my junior was really good like when I was smaller and younger um and then throughout high school it was pretty clear that I like did not have what it took like got you yeah I was like you stood out for the younger I was a really good younger um ski racer and then as I got older I think I also just had other interests so I just got like worse um but it was very clear by sophomore year of high school that I did not have what it took to did you do you remember being like upset about it or I was so fucking cold that I was like honestly good great I gotta go I'm gonna like I gotta go can I go to Florida like can I can I go like go to the warm yeah like can I have like a cocktail and like this is really a lot um do you like watching other players play or only yeah like I'm a true sport oh now you're like now you're like into it oh obsessed obsessed addictive it is you can get into it oh yeah like the fandom around tennis is really intense because similar to F1 you're following people right and then you see it's almost like this is a sign of silly but like it's not like Pokemon but it's sort of like you've like two people that like come together yeah and then you're like with very different personalities that both come out and then I think people just like love the different matchups does Tommy have a ritual like I love their there's so many of them that do right like yeah they're very like it's a very superstitious right superstitious they have like he's less superstitious than the most um I mean I know some players like I know some players like have to eat like listen to the same music right he's not really like that do you have that on game day for him like I'll wear the lucky underwear I'm very um I've taught myself to be very like I view tennis a very certain way I show up expecting nothing like I don't ever go into a match thinking he's gonna win or lose I'm just there to support him I treat him the same pretty much if he wins or loses unless it's like he wins a tournament I love how you say pretty much what what do you mean like obviously when he wins I'm like excited for him right I really try to keep it like even killed yeah I want to be like his rock and I think that it's not my place in his life to give him any other we're like damn he could have yeah and it's but it's very easy to become emotionally invested right a lot of other tennis girlfriends and wives I've talked to that it's it's it becomes your life and I think especially if you are traveling with them full time you feel like when they lose you lose right and when they win you win and I think that's unhealthy and I think for me at least that was not something that and in the beginning it was sort of like that and I think um it's such a emotionally taxing sport to watch and then be a part of that closely which a lot of people might not know um how do you cheer him up if he lost just like love him yeah just love on him he's like I should have done this are you like no I'm like also there I always tell him there's so many matches in a year there's a tournament every week so wow I'm like not really there's like three weeks in the winter wow I'm like on to the next one babe like you on to the next on to the next one which is sort of like a it's it's a horrible but beautiful part of the sport there are so many tennis tournaments right um so how do you decide which ones you go to I go to the ones that honestly work with my schedule now okay which is like when you're like when you're available yeah and obviously like there's some tournaments he tells me he needs me out more yeah like if he's mentally feeling tired or needs a little bit more like support on the road I go or if it's like a really fancy one that yeah yeah but honestly like regardless of the aesthetic like I'm choosing to make my schedule and go to the ones that he feels like he needs more support at and obviously like the US Open right and Wimbledon I love but I have a very healthy relationship with tennis and I think that um I try to be a positive contribution to his team because I'm a part of this journey on a very like a short a short amount compared to like his whole career right and I think that all I want to do is bring something to the table and that's sort of how I view like life like I want to bring something to the table to his tennis to our relationship to work to anything I do like if I'm not adding value I don't really want to be there what about the picture of you guys with the trophy oh yeah I'm obsessed with that by the way when something like this happens yeah like that that is sort of like talked about a lot of it I am making more jokes than anyone I'm like ripping myself really yeah well that whole time that whole week after like I was clawing the out of his neck we were like making so many jokes about it but I I've learned as I've gotten older like I have to show that side on social media because I think that they might think that you're just like it's also just not that serious what are we talking about yeah also like they know can you explain a little bit what what happened oh yeah I Tommy won a tournament Queens which is like a really beautiful tournament it's a huge trophy and um in the UK the reporters are very intense and like the paparazzi and like Daily Mail is very um they're very vocal and they're Paige kiss him you know crap like hold on to him and I was like very overstimulated by the way would have done this overstimulated or not I'll call the out of that man like that's my man would do it all again cannot wait by the way for him to win another tournament I'm gonna do it I'm gonna get I want to think about me so I'm gonna double the front round two I'm gonna double down um but it was like very overstimulated and the British press like to whatever and by the way a lot of people were saying that wives of and girlfriends of players don't pose with trophies like this that's not true you can look up all like couple tennis players they like they were like hold the trophy with him whatever was doing it love those photos and then like the last few round of photos there was this really awkward angle where I was sort of like grabbing onto his neck and like posing and it was just like this funny photo and video went viral everyone was like holy shit she's like clawing the out of his neck making the whole thing about her death grip I'm like yeah like have you seen how hot Tommy is like babe you're lucky I wasn't like choking him out like yeah please please but I should have made a joke about it because I think that you didn't I didn't you didn't say anything did you post the photo no but I posted photos yeah yeah yeah um I also think if that hadn't happened in Brit in like the UK it wouldn't have been as big of a thing like the British media just like I mean we've seen what they've done to Meghan Markle right like they but it would be funny if you posted the photo and you even you know what I said I wanted to do which I'm pissed at myself that I didn't do we were gonna get Tommy a neck brace the day after and like put the neck brace on him and take a photo together being like wait no miss no it's really upsetting you know when you like leave something and you're like I should have a totally yeah but I think I I vote for all the things that you're doing big things and all the continued success but I love the idea of sprinkling in that part of you yeah I know yeah I think it's hard when I love honestly maybe you could give me some advice like I love I think I view Instagram as like a digital magazine where like I'm the editor of it right and I love posting like beautiful things I know you're like the necklace just won't go you're like it won't go with the video but like it would have like I I don't know how to like because I don't have a podcast and I have like a YouTube that's also like my home life and it's more homemaking like I don't know what platform also like when I'm about to like crack a joke or just doing funny I'm not like right okay like let's not crack the joke by the way that's the other thing I love that I saw that you you didn't um like have your engagement filmed really right you didn't have like phones out and everything no so I love that a lot more like normal yeah like I also don't like filming a lot of stuff like I like having a real life yeah yeah it's just weird like if I had a reality show or a podcast I think people would know more about like who I really am but I don't have those platforms so like I have to like set up a tripod and like like crack a joke it's tough right the tripod maybe I need a podcast to remind well don't say it and Lauren and Michael will hear you at Dear Media and they'll sorry we have a call um okay before we go biggest pinch me moment of everything yeah that's happened so far is there one okay we're gonna put my wedding aside yes I know it's like so boring yeah yeah like okay yeah like great no one cares um opening a store in Nantucket I mean like I am constantly moving the goal post for my own success in my career which is sort of really exhausting for everyone around me um I rarely take a moment to like celebrate accomplishments that is it it's really exhausting I need I need to work on it um and I think that that store my parents there it's like a photo of my grandparents on the wall and like we had the sign up like the house sign the quarter board for my grandparents house and just like how beautiful the store is how popular it is believe it and it is like truly the thing that I am so proud of and I think that that opening the store right before my wedding was like very pivotal for me it's like a real place that I can go and meet people and it's a beautiful store our clothes are high quality they're affordable like it is truly like I feel like even when I get criticism about anything I'm like okay well I have the most insane beautiful store in Nantucket full of like the things I'm most proud of it's like what the fuck could you say to me you're like that's your dream come true it's my dream come true it's physical I needed that yeah I needed that in person thing yeah and I think that also I needed to like meet people in person and I'm spending a lot of time in the store I'm I'm there and I'm meeting people and it's just been very grounding for me that's amazing yeah so that's how do people know when you're gonna be there do they kind of just pop up you pop up but if you see me like a storying flying down into Nantucket you could probably guess I'll like be there but I did for like we had a tie-dye event and I said I was gonna be there and I tie-dyed with the girls it was really fun what's the next goal then if you're another store another store multiple stores yeah babe yeah fucking killing it seriously I'm so happy for you thank you so much congratulations and we're gonna have to do those check-ins about oh every baby I'm gonna come back baby and I have to bring them with me and it's just they're gonna start stacking like someone want to take them does checking your bank statements feel like digging through a dusty attic full of forgotten subscriptions and old free trials Experian can help take the pain out of canceling by handling it for you think of it as operation get your sanity back over 200 subscriptions are cancelable so get started in the Experian app and see how much you could save results will vary not all subscriptions eligible savings not guaranteed paid membership with connected payment 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