‘The Ethical Hacker’ Exposes Satanic Child Predators Lurking Online & How He Hunts Them

Speaker 1 OK, I wanted to do this. I, I wanted to meet you. I heard about you from my friend Sean Ryan, wonderful man who was going on about you and the work that you're doing on the darkest things happening on the Internet, which we'll talk about in a minute. But he said this is a guy who really understands how to use the Internet open. Oh, just open source and also not open source and also an expert on hacking. But. So let's just start there. What can you learn about someone you've never met on the Internet? Open source. Speaker 2 Basically everything and and they what I did with you because you know, I was told in advance that you're not really a computer guy you. Speaker 1 Don't own a computer? Actually you. Speaker 2 Don't even own a computer. I do not. Speaker 1 Own a computer I have. I have an iPhone which is. I don't know how different that is from a computer. I've I haven't owned a computer since 2011 because I just, I just disapprove basically. Speaker 2 Well, I to each his own, right, but that is a computer that you have, yeah. Speaker 1 It is a computer, you're totally right. Speaker 2 It's a back when I even when I was a kid, that thing's like 10 times more power. Speaker 1 You're totally right and I always say I don't have ATV but like I get X or whatever YouTube on my phone. So it's like a distinction without a difference. It's just, it's a absurd pretense that I keep up. Speaker 2 Hey, well, I, it's a, you know, I did when I was doing the research, I, I confirmed that, you know, running your phone number, running your e-mail, there's not many accounts connected to them. So it's. Speaker 1 No accounts. Yeah, I don't have e-mail that I use. I don't have e-mail really, and I've had the same phone number since 1995. Speaker 2 I found some old like and I'll show you in a second, but the you know, old, you know, news related emails. There was one with S Carlson at we know there's an all of your old emails, but it doesn't seem like anything is active. So for me the 20 minute challenge was, you know, I think you might you might be. So it's. Speaker 1 A 20 minute challenge, 20 minutes to find out what you can about somebody. Speaker 2 That's all. I we, we called it out in the office, you know, just to see what we could find on you and, and let me pull out my laptop and show you. Speaker 1 So you do own a computer, that's what you're saying? Speaker 2 I own a lot of computers. I am a nerd. Speaker 1 Yeah, there's something about I, I don't know. I just, we're not in charge of the growth of technology and it's increasing power over our lives. I'm certainly not in charge. And yes, I did put in Starlink in my hunting camp, which is a huge mixed blessing, but I just, I just want to say out loud that I disapprove. Speaker 2 Disapprove of me I do I. Speaker 1 Just do. No, I don't disprove of computers. Speaker 2 We can smash this thing, right? Speaker 1 Now I'm not that unreasonable. I just, I don't, I, I feel like human autonomy and human consciousness, like our ability to think for ourselves is, is threatened by technology and I'm upset by it. Speaker 2 I agree with that, and this might make you even more angry. So is this your Social Security number? Speaker 1 Let me get my glasses. Yeah, it certainly is. I don't know. How do you put my Social Security number? Speaker 2 Well, so I have your Social Security number. I have your full name, obviously. I don't think that's a secret. I, I see all your fishing licenses and, and you know, hunting licenses from Alaska, Oregon, Virginia. I mean, I found all all the places that you do your thing. Speaker 1 Alaska. Oregon, Virginia. Speaker 2 Yep, I even have your driver's license number in Florida. Looks like you haven't changed your phone number in a long time. Speaker 1 1995. Speaker 2 OK, so that. Speaker 1 Every mental patient in America has my phone number. Everybody is. I'm not afraid of people. I'm never going to be afraid of people. So. Speaker 2 One thing I want to tell you about how I have your Social Security number and why it is kind of ridiculous to be honest with you. Have have you heard of the national public data breach? No. OK, so. Speaker 1 Can I just say that I keep my ass that's in gold coins buried in a place that, you know, only my children can identify so well, I'm I'm totally safe. You can't drain my bank account. Well, let. Speaker 2 Me show you something might not be able to train drain your bank account, but here is your signature from your warranty deed so having your. Speaker 1 How do you have that? That is my actual signature. Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah, I'm aware. Speaker 1 Which is not my name, so I don't know how you would have that. Speaker 2 I pulled it from public. Speaker 1 Record. It is crazy. Speaker 2 Yep. So if I use your social, I have your, you know general location. I I know you use APO box to buy, you know buy everything I found behind you know, I found behind the PO Box. I saw your your motorcycle transaction that you made. I have the old plate and the new plate with the Harley. I you found my. Speaker 1 Harley Yeah. So that's something I talk about. That's so funny. Wow. OK. Speaker 2 But that my point here is the. Speaker 1 New 6 speeds are amazing, can I just say that? Speaker 2 I can imagine I had. Speaker 1 4 speeds. Speaker 2 I love motorcycles. Speaker 1 I do too. Yeah. Secretly, dude. Very secretly. Speaker 2 So the national public data breach was ridiculous to be honest with you. It was 2.8 billion records about a year and a half ago roughly. And a Florida sheriff ran a data broker website which had a, you know, just, you can look up somebody's name similar to white pages. But for whatever reason, this Florida sheriff got access to all of this data and was using it to, you know, I'm, I'm assuming sell data, make money on it. Well, he decided to reuse credentials for a, a demo project or old project on his main production system which allowed 2.8 billion records to be exposed with, you know, we know there's about 300 million Americans. So if there's 2.8 billion records in this database, there's a good chance that you're in it with your Social Security number and you're in there about I think 15 times if you look at that document and with everywhere you've ever lived, you know, including anyone associated etcetera, so. Speaker 1 And this is all publicly available. It's. Speaker 2 Publicly available and, and what we did was because since since like I said, I could you know, maybe you have all your assets in gold, let's say like I have the ability to call your electric company and pretend that I'm you. And what do I not have about you that to confirm that I'm you, you know, or if I want to open up a credit card or if I want to buy them a Harley or, you know, there's not much is stopping me. So, you know, we decided like, and I'll get into some of some of this in a little bit, but like, you know, we started a cybersecurity company using the methodologies that I used to locate these predators and traffickers. And instead of doing something like, you know, targeting bad people, you can, you can sign up for it and protect your, your digital footprint. So we, we were, you're sitting in a hotel room, this data breach came out. And we're like, we want people to know if they're in this, like immediately, because if your social is exposed, you should be freezing your credit, like right now. And we noticed nobody else, nobody else was allowing anyone to search for this. So we threw it together as fast as we possibly could. And it was all over the place, Tucker. Like we didn't realize that the news was going to pick up on it the way that it did. There were Congress people in in New York even showing how to demonstrating how to use our search on our website. I believe it was Richie Torres in New York. And there was a bunch of them. That's just the one that's coming to mind. And you know, this is not me trying to advertise is just relevant to the story. But like people would go to npdlikenationalpublicdata.pentester.com and, and you can run your name. You'll see if you're in this breach. If you are, it doesn't cost you any money whatsoever to freeze your credit. And we, we give you the instruction on how to go to TransUnion, Equifax, Experian and, and freeze it. And people think, well, if I freeze my credit, it's going to affect my score or whatever. It doesn't hurt your score to freeze it. It just stops people from being able to run a soft or hard query against it. And, and when you're ready to go do something that requires your credit, you just click the unfreeze button, which takes 10 seconds. They run your credit and then you freeze it again. And this will alleviate a ton, a ton of issues. I mean, I don't know if your credit's frozen. I'm hoping by the time that this episode's out it is because I. Speaker 1 Don't have any credit. I don't take any loans. Speaker 2 OK, well, if you're not worried, you're not worried, but. Speaker 1 I don't want credit, I don't like money lending, period. Speaker 2 Understood, understood. But most people would be worried, but there's a good chance there's like this is not me fear mongering your socials most likely in this database. If you're, if you're watching this episode, you know, so it's the way that you didn't know about it, even though it was all over the news. A lot like almost everyone I meet face to face is not aware that they're in this data breach. And, and we're, we're doing a good job at exposing that it exists. I cannot take this data breach off of some hacker's computer in Russia, like, or you know, whoever downloaded it, I can, I don't know how familiar you are with how these data breaches work, but like, I can't remove your data from a data breach. It's just a file that could share it amongst many people. It's out there. So your social is on as many people's computers as that downloaded that data breach. So we're doing the same thing, but showing you, you know, we're allowing you to search through that file and then we give you the the options to to freeze your credit. We're. Speaker 1 Going to need biometrics really soon. I mean, that's probably the point of this right, to get us to biometrics because. Speaker 2 Yeah, well, I mean, I just don't understand how the sheriff in the 1st place got got access to every single American's personal information, including their socials. But from there, we thought how, how can you clean up your digital footprint, which I'm going to show you something that I think I don't know what your thoughts on facial recognition are and all of that. But I want to show you some cool stuff that people are scared of. But they should also look at, as you know, you have a digital footprint even though you don't use a computer. Like people need to realize that they have to understand how long. Speaker 1 Until people's porn records get leaked. Speaker 2 Immediately this is like I can show you an example of it right now and you know, the way that the way that we built this platform was like I said to how we identified predators and traffickers. But now it's any consumer can sign up for it. See what's out there on them, see what accounts are connected to them, their kids, if their kids have some secret, you know, accounts or anything like that. And let's say they were in a wedding photo four years ago and they were in the back corner and half their faces showing. That might be enough identifiable information to identify that you know, they are, you know what their name is or who they are just by them walking down the street and being in a photo, which I'll demonstrate. So that makes more sense. You know, we could use somebody here that doesn't have as much of A public image because you and I, we can take a picture and you're going to see a ton of results. But somebody, if they're willing, if not, I'll show you my own face or yours or whatever you'd like. We built that because you know, we, I'll give you a good example. This happened recently. So we hired. Are you familiar with Wynwood in Miami? OK, so it's an art district in Miami and there's awesome graffiti artists down there. And we decided to hire a graffiti artist that, you know, is most likely committing crimes when he's not being paid legitimately to, to paint our office. And the guy was a super nice guy, but he went by an alias and he was going to be in our office for six to eight days. That's what he said to us. So we said to the guy, you know, we, we asked him what his name was. He was a little bit hesitant to tell us. He, you know, he, he honestly didn't. He just told us his alias, which was a three letter word. And I took a picture of his face and I, I ran it through our system. I found a picture of him with his grandparents that had their full names in it. And I said, look, man, this is how easy you know, a surveillance camera or anybody taking a photo of you can identify you in 2026. You know, we can get into the whole Europe privacy laws with facial recognition in China, but like in the United States with this technology, instead of using it for good. And in our case, where we're showing you what's out there about yourself, people can use this for bad to identify you or your kids or, you know, your family. And it's, it's, it's very dangerous. And you know, we, we just want people to know about this stuff. So we built some really cool technology if you want to check it out. Speaker 1 That's amazing. A lot of people hesitate before getting traditional therapies for cholesterol health. They don't want to wind up stuck on capsules for the rest of their lives. Pills. They'd rather feel like they have some say in how they take care of their own bodies. And that's why more Americans are turning to more gentle alternatives with ingredients they recognize. Ingredients like ginger and pomegranate. One of those alternatives is a dose for cholesterol. Dose for Cholesterol is a clinically backed cholesterol support supplement that targets triglycerides, LDL, HDL and total cholesterol levels. 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OK, so you've just taken a picture of my face and you're feeding my face into the database. Speaker 2 I'm not going to feed it into the into the database like this is not going to be stored or anything like that. We, we're, we're only doing it just to show an example of it's, it's taking 120 measurements of your face. So like for example, let's say you were wearing makeup or something or you have purple hair. It doesn't make a difference because there's other measurements that will. And like I said, there could be, it could be half of your face or 1/4 of your face. It's just going to try to use those measurements to identify you, not the actual image itself. There's a difference between reverse image searching, like looking for an identical image, and reverse facial recognition, where it's trying to measure, like this nostril is this many centimeters from the lower earlobe. You know, in a lot of different measurements. Speaker 1 Let's just say you're not a criminal, you have no interest in breaking the law here in the United States, but you don't want to be identified on the basis of your face. Is there anything you can do to disguise your identity and foil facial recognition? Speaker 2 Unfortunately, wearing a mask, I mean, you, you could still be identified by the top half of your face. I mean, you could wear like a COVID mask or something if you're one of those guys, But you know, you could do that. You could, you could wear, I mean, it's, it's, it's extreme though, you know, like a wearing, wearing a full face mask to cover it's put a hood up and walk past cameras with your head down. I mean, you can't really get around this technology. Speaker 1 You can't, so sunglasses don't do it. Speaker 2 No, no, no. We could. We could try to mess with you in any way. And I guarantee you. Yeah. So here you are, all over the place. Here, I'll speak loud. But you see these these URLs underneath of them? Yeah, so in each one of these, and there's going to be, and there's an endless supply of photos of you on the Internet, Tucker. So it'd be kind of pointless to go through these for you. But let's say you're average person. Let's say you're in your 40s, fifty 60s, and you don't know what's out there on yourself because it's not possible to search by your face unless you have a specialized tool to do it. Law enforcement usually has this, you know, ability, but consumers don't. And what we did is we, we allow you to search and we show you where that image is at. So then you can either reach out to, to us or if you can take it upon yourself to contact that website, whether it be, let's say, as I used a wedding, wedding photographer, reach out to that wedding photographer and say, Hey, I would like my photo taken down off your website. Or if it's, you know, maybe you're at a kids sports game and it's showing pictures of your children. Like, you know, you want to know that that stuff is out there because somebody else could be searching you. It's, you know, it's not about everybody's like, it's not going to happen to me, it's not going to happen to me. But then sometimes it happens to you. And that's why we built what we built. And we're trying to hit every angle. We're trying to hit your digital footprint as a whole. And then we're automating as many removals as possible for you. So you could just, you know, essentially put in your e-mail, put in your name to pen tester as much information as you're willing to give us. And then over time it'll start to build out a profile on you the same way that that I did in that little challenge, but automatically. And then you'll start to see removals happening over time and you'll see where it got removed from, where you know how many are pending, how many are left. It's, it's a super cool, easy process and, and I'm going to sound like a car salesman, but like it's less than 20 bucks and I don't know why it's, I think everybody should, should be doing it. There's just nobody out there doing this. And you get all of this for $20? Speaker 1 It doesn't seem like there's any privacy possible in the United States. Speaker 2 Absolutely not, no. And when it comes to technology, you are fully exposed. It's like you're naked. You know, I mean, I came in here and we met one time before in person. And you know, it's not like I snuck your social out of your wallet that day. Like I I came in here saying, hey, Tucker, I have your Social Security number, your warranty deed and your your signature. Yeah, maybe you don't have credit, but most people, most people in the United States do, and it's a big deal to them, you know of. Speaker 1 Course, and I didn't mean I understand that and I the system is set up against people which is my main problem with the system. You shouldn't have to be heavily in debt in order to live here. Agreed. If you've got a job and you're like a responsible person who works 8 hours a day, but you have to have debt. Speaker 2 No, you shouldn't have to. Speaker 1 Have then the system is designed to enslave you, which ours is, so that I'm just opposed to it. So. But I didn't mean to be like, Oh no. Speaker 2 I didn't. I don't. Speaker 1 Have any debt? No. I know I'm very privileged not to have debt. And by the way, it's the very first thing I did when I made some dough. I didn't buy anything. I paid off all my loans because I despise being indebted to anybody and I despise the people who put you in debt. I do. I mean it. Speaker 2 Understood. Speaker 1 From the bottom of my heart is I would despise a slave master and they run around like we're making the American dream possible. No, you're you're stealing it actually from people and you should be ashamed. Speaker 2 Totally agree with you there. And no, you're good. You can. Speaker 1 See, I'm filled with eccentric resentments, but and I think in a normal society we would recognize that. And anyone who's lending money at like super high interest rates committing usury at that level should be prosecuted for it. Speaker 2 110% I agree with that. I mean even they those payday loans for example are horrible. They the reverse mortgages are being marketed like crazy right now. I mean, there's a lot of dangerous. Speaker 1 Horrible loans, Immoral. And they're always running around calling everyone else immoral. But that is immoral. And by the way, I gave a speech once the payday loan lenders in the Bahamas back was 25 years ago, before I really had any views on anything. And they were amusing. But man, that was the sleaziest group of people I've ever met in my life. Speaker 2 I I have no doubt. I don't know how they sleep at night. Speaker 1 I agree. Well here's a pretty awful statistic. 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That's free meat with every order and 100 bucks off your first three orders. When you start your subscription plan this month, or if you just want to try it out, you can get $40 off your first order with the code Tucker. goodranchers.com. American meat delivered to you. Yeah, so. So anyway. So anyway, but I'm sorry, I didn't mean to be like, I can't believe people have to have jobs. Speaker 2 And. Speaker 1 Everyone is in debt. Everyone has to be. Speaker 2 You know, I totally understand that and, and the way I look at it and my personal belief is that, you know, there's good debt and bad debt because you can in my, in my life, I own software companies and, and real estate and, and, you know, taking an equity line out to buy another property. Speaker 1 Playing at a different level, I've never been in business. I'm just like some employee of talks for a living. So like I have a very simple financial picture of my life, don't have that much money, but I don't have any debt. And I think in my business where you like make people mad if you have debt, boy that. Speaker 2 You know they go after it. Yeah, because. Speaker 1 Judgements. Speaker 2 And things are are are public as well. So you don't have any obviously, but it's a usually that that, you know, people could find them. Speaker 1 Well, you wonder why all these members of Congress and the hair hats on television are all saying exactly the same thing. Because they're exposed, and everyone thinks it's exposed sexually, and a huge number of them are creepy sexually. But it's not just that. It's the money, it's the debt is the leash that keeps them in line. Speaker 2 That's wild. Speaker 1 I think. Speaker 2 Yeah, Yeah, you might be right. You might be right. It sounds like it. It's I I've never had this conversation before you. I never normally is. So, you know, for me it's like, no, you're fine. You're fine. It's a it's. Speaker 1 Well, if you're, if you're, if you know, if you're in debt to anybody, you're literally in debt to them. You owe them something you haven't yet paid. So that is by definition their control over you, right? Speaker 2 Yeah, they have control over you and they can take your assets if you don't pay them. So yeah, they totally understand it. And it's, it's a risky, it's a depending on the, you know, depending on the type of person. Some people are, are more risk taking when they don't have the funds. They, you know, I don't believe you should be taking out loans that you can't afford. It's, you know, people saying don't spend money you don't have. It's a it's something most people are aware of, but some people don't practice that. Speaker 1 Yeah, I, I used to feel that way. Now I'm kind of like, I don't know, I think people should stop paying their credit cards. I know no one else agrees with me. And, oh, you have a moral obligation. Really. Well, you have a moral obligation not to send credit card applications to kids in college. So this goes both ways. It's like just blaming the drug addict and never mentioning the dealer. Someone's selling the fentanyl, and that person is on the hook too. So that's how I feel. So, like, is it a sin to RIP off your drug dealer? I guess it's not one I'm going to judge you for. Speaker 2 Yeah, I think it's 100% agree with you there. I can't. I can't argue that. Speaker 1 Yeah, So anyway, wow. Well, that's all very shocking. Let me ask you a super dumb question, because that's the only kind I have, which is when someone has your Social Security number. Like how threatening is that? Speaker 2 So when when someone has your social, it just gives them the ability to, you know, pretend to be you. So whether it be, you know, we talked about loans and credit and all that stuff. Take that out of the picture. Imagine if you know I think you've experienced this based on just a rumor you've been SIM swapped before, like somebody's stolen your phone number and tried. Speaker 1 To yeah, multiple times. Speaker 2 So you know, I'm assuming your your carrier now is a lot more strict with your phone number. Speaker 1 Blocked it down. Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah, but 2 I for for your average person. If I call in and I say, hey, I'm Jane Doe, I have your social, you know, I have her Social Security number. I can sound like a man. They can't judge me in 2026. So I'm Jane Doe with a with a man's voice, with a social. They're going to let me do practically anything I want to the account. That doesn't mean essentially every time it's going to be a SIM swap, but I can authenticate to pretty much anything as you your electric in your house. Let's say, you know, I I report a problem with the electric and they they turn the power off and on a you know, Friday night and you don't get your power back till Monday. That could be a problem in some cold areas or some hot areas. Yeah, for sure. I mean, there there's real life consequences to a Social Security number, which is such a ridiculous way to identify somebody because they, they're incremental. And I think it was 2011 is when the prefix of them, like the first 3 digits started becoming randomized. Like the first, I think it was the three digits met like the hospital and the next two was the time frame, something like that. After 2011, it was changed to completely random. But you know, Social Security numbers are are not, in my opinion, a good way to keep yourself private. Speaker 1 Well, because they are not. And this is what I sort of half asked you a minute ago. Because the system is so obviously flawed and the Internet itself is not secure because it was designed to be open, it'll never be secure. There will always be data breaches. Always. And because everything takes place in the Internet, specifically financial transactions, don't we have to go to biometrics? Speaker 2 I think we need to yeah. And it's a it is absolutely a possibility now with, you know, fingerprints have been around for a long time for fingerprint locks. And now the consumer, you can go to Home Depot and buy a fingerprint lock for your, for your home. But you know, we have biometrics for, for retina scanning that are that one, I've seen it at the airport before with clear. I think clear might have changed from retina scanning to just facial recognition. But we have the ability to do all of these different biometrics that are, are pretty, you know, pretty solid ways to authenticate yourself. The the issue, which we could get more into this later, but there, there's platforms out there that are trying to use biometrics like facial scanning to determine age to allow someone on a platform. It's failing miserably. And that because it's just the technology is doing a bad job at identifying the person's age. Like, like, for example, if I scan my face, it might say, you know, I'm, I'm 32 years old, but it could tell me that I'm 50. It could tell me that I'm 18. It could tell me that I'm 16. It just depends on whatever that platform decides. Yeah. And in my experience. Speaker 1 That's the kind of life you've lived on. That's exactly honestly, Ryan. Speaker 2 Yeah, and, and I have lived a crazy life, so who knows what that I I don't know it this isn't in particular with the last couple weeks with Roblox. So Roblox implemented this as a safety measure after a guy named Schlep, his name he goes by and, and myself went on some podcasts, talked about the dangers of that platform and and showed some real examples, which, you know, I'll show you some stuff in it a little bit. But their way to combat this issue was, you know, at least what it seems is using kids you have, they have to scan their face and then they get grouped into, you know, other grouped into lobbies with other kids their age that they determine from a third party company that we don't know what they're doing with the biometric data of the children's faces. And, and a lot of the time they're getting it wrong. And to make matters worse, you can go on eBay and buy accounts for certain age ranges. So what do you think a predator is going to do with, let's say you get a 13 year old, 13 year old account already verified Roblox for, you know, $15 on eBay. Now the guy can go target 13 year olds because he just spent 15 bucks. It's you can, you know, but the but the moral of that is, you know, Roblox has a huge responsibility. They're a big platform. They're the largest platform for children in the world. They're, you know, they, they're multi billion dollar corporation and but you know, I can't fully blame them. I don't think they've made good decisions. I don't know if you know that they've banned vigilantes from their platform. They don't let law enforcement on their. Speaker 1 Cake. So can you describe for people who don't have kids at home, what it what it Roblox is? Speaker 2 OK, so Roblox is imagine Legos like, you know, I'm sure most people know what Legos are digital Legos where they're walking around the screen, they're chatting with each other and they're playing games with each other like a like just to keep things simple, tic tac toe virtually. And they look like little Lego characters. And they're the children are able to type to each other and talk inside of these Roblox games. And there's, you know, 4 or 5678 year old children playing this game. It's very, very popular amongst them. And you know, with this, you know, with this age verification situation that they just added it, it makes it more dangerous in my opinion. And I have solutions on what they could do. I have a friend that I can't name, but they're federal law enforcement. They, you know, have been in child crimes for longer than I've been alive. And they didn't even get them to the second interview stage. I found out that they don't have anyone this could this, this is just me being told something. But I found out they had no one that's ever worked child crimes for for our government or legal state working on their team to to help with these issues. And as the largest game in the world for children, you would think that they would do everything in their power to keep predators off of that platform. And oh, and the point that I was trying to get at was that if you have a platform that's full of kids, it's going to, it's going to attract the child. I'm, I'm sorry, if you have a platform that's, that is full of children, it's going to attract the predator because that's what predators do. They, they put themselves in positions like becoming teachers or becoming, you know, police officers or camp counselors or, you know, whatever, whatever gives them access to children. So yes, Roblox is for me to say, is Roblox intentionally trying to make a platform for predators to groom children? I don't think that's their goal, but I think they're doing a horrible job at trying to combat it And, and there's easy ways for them to make this problem a lot better. And what I want to do as an individual is, is educate as many parents out there that you know, because a lot of them, their kids are playing this game, you know, 150 million daily active users or or something, something like that. Some crazy high number of kids around the world are playing this game and, you know, it's a it's, it saddens me that parents have no idea. They just hand them an iPad, they hand them a computer and they just, they sit in the corner and play this game where strangers are getting access to them and asking them for some of the most horrific things that I've ever seen in almost eight years of child crimes and trafficking, Which, you know, I, I, there's, there's a lot. It's, it's a lot easier to show you what I mean by that then, but tell you that because it's, you know, parents, parents, you know, can hear Internet has predators. The park, there might be a sex offender at the park. That's, that's staring at a kid. But until they see it or, or it's happened to them, it's usually not real. And of course it's easy to say somebody like myself who works in this space, it's going to be an extremist or somebody that's, that's going to immediately assume everybody is bad because I deal with this everyday. I have no evidence to believe that that it isn't a significant problem because I can't. I'm finding in my, in almost eight years that there's more people that are willing to meet or talk with a child inappropriately than not on not just Roblox, but any social media platform chat app. And I've, and I've demonstrated this live on on many podcasts and it's never failed, unfortunately. I wish that I could fail. I wish I could pull my laptop out, go to a chat site, pretend to be a child and not have a grown man asking me to do something inappropriate. But I have never failed unfortunately. Speaker 1 It's a pretty overwhelming time in history, certainly in this country, and that's why prayer is more important than ever. Prayer keeps you connected with God and it reduces stress. It puts your life and the world into perspective. Our friends at the Hallow App just launched their May prayer challenge. It's called the detachment challenge. It's about taking a step back and getting that perspective on the troubles of this world. Let's not suggest we should abandoned our responsibilities here or care less. They should care more, but fundamentally it means placing your faith in God. Work and hobbies matter, but they should not carry the full weight of your heart. Being more present with God is the only thing that matters, and it's what changes you and the world around you. Through simple daily prayer and reflection, you learn to trust God more deeply. Find a kind of steadiness that does not depend on everything around you going right. You don't have to have it all figured out, you just have to show up and stay true to your faith and Hallow helps you do that. Download Hallow and get 3 months for free at hollow.com/tucker. It is absolutely the best part of the problem is it's too upsetting and I think we're talking this off camera. I think it's, you know, they're the most upsetting things and children being hurt, being at the very top of it are people can't even face it. They don't want to think about it. They just compartmentalize it and move on because not because they support it, but precisely because of how violently they are opposed to it. But it's just really upsetting. Speaker 2 I understand that, but to give you just a counter to that, I mean, right after my interview with Shawn Ryan, a 13 year old girl from the same exact group I was just talking about was hanging by an extension cord in the parking lot and in the chat room while she did this live. We're saying that they would, you know, she took her clothes off, it'd be hot or she died, you know, in the parking lot. This happened, right? Actually, yeah, yeah. There's, there's, there's been a ton of suicide. So this is this is a significant issue. And that's why I wanted to talk about it and and Sean brought it up. Speaker 1 Platform was this. Speaker 2 That was they, they, they're luring through mental health support groups are looking for vulnerable kids and then they befriend them. And then after they befriend them and they, you know, pretend they're they're a boyfriend or girlfriend, they exchange nude photos. And then after the nude photos are exchanged, instead of sex thwarting them like a Nigerian scammer might for money, they try to get them to harm themselves in exchange for not having their photos exposed to, you know, their friends, family, school. They're sex thwarting them, but they're they're using instead of money, they want them to carve group names and usernames into their chests, into their wrists, into their bodies. And then, you know, sometimes it escalates to harming animals. Their pets in their houses were hurting strangers. Literally. There's been murders of strangers lighting homeless people on fire. A guy torched himself in a hotel room just to prove that he was worthy of being part of one of these groups. I mean, this is, this is not just happening in like a little part of the country somewhere, you know, randomly, this is on a mass scale. And you know, the, there's, there's some people that are saying that it's the, one of the biggest dangers for children at the moment is, is these groups, which I know, it's sad. I know people don't want to hear this stuff. Speaker 1 Well, it's overwhelming because there's no motive. Speaker 2 They don't have a motive. They're a nihilist extreme extremist group. Speaker 1 So that, I mean, I think is the definition of evil. The whole point of it is the suffering. There's no, it's not like you, you know, robbed a liquor store and shot the clerk in order to get his money, which is obviously evil, but at least it's explicable in human terms. This is just spiritual evil. Speaker 2 It's spiritually evil and and their state, their logo is is a pentagram. They, they identify as a satanic cult and, and the, the, the original group was called 764 core group. That was, it was the original, the first one that ever came out that had this ideology or methodology that they use. And they, they have like guides, literal guides that teach you how to groom and extort these children And they, they spread them amongst each other. Well, now there's hundreds if not thousands of these offshoots that do exactly the same thing using different names and, you know, has. Speaker 1 There been any effort to arrest of these groups? Speaker 2 Yeah, so this is what makes it a little bit difficult. So there's 450 active investigations right now with the FBI. Not nearly enough. I mean, I'm, I could show you one group that Sentinel found, Sentinel Foundation and I, which I'll explain how I even got involved in Sentinel Foundation in a minute. I can go in one of those groups and there's more than 450 targets in that group alone. I mean, it's and more needs to be done from law enforcement, but I understand that there's difficulty because it's not like we're going after the cartel where there's a ringleader and then you can arrest all the guys underneath of them. They're all in the same town or they might get caught together. These guys are from all over the country, some of them international. And it's going to be 1 at a time, you know, and, and they don't use their real names. They don't use real photos of themselves. They go by aliases and, and you know, it's, it's, it's really, it's very sad. And, but the way to tackle this issue is not by arresting one guy at a time, because the groups, these groups are just massively getting larger and larger and larger and a new offshoot comes out. The, the second one disappears. What what happens is, you know, in my experience, parents being aware of the issue, knowing what it is, knowing what to look for on their children's devices, that's going to cause a lot more impact and and fix this problem or at least make a huge dent in this problem. Rather than making the total of 30 arrests that have happened in the five on name. Maybe it's a total of 35 arrests since the inception couple years ago. You know, I think alerting parents is going to do a way bigger. Speaker 1 35 people total have been arrested in five years. Speaker 2 Yeah. Well, I think it's like 3 or 4 years. I, I don't quote me on that, but it's not a lot. It should be way more than that should be way more than and that, but it's not and and these guys aren't some like crazy hackers or they're connected to hacking groups called the calm. It's a it's very deep. It's a long story, but they're not like these elite hackers that are impossible to find. A lot of them are 1620 somethings that, you know, they're, they'll feel comfortable with somebody pretend that, oh, I'm sorry, they'll feel like they're actually their friend and disclose their real name or phone number or general idea where they live. And if that person gets arrested, you know, they're snitching, you know, they're looking at 30 years to life or something. They're telling on everyone they can. So, but it's not as I, as I said that yeah, we can make as many arrests as possible and I'm all for it. But when it comes down to, you know, the, the, the scale of this issue want 3035 arrests, Let's just say it is is not nearly enough. So I think educating parents is going to do a lot more. And that's why I'm doing these podcasts. I'm not doing it for me. I'm doing this for for parents. So children, of course. Speaker 1 Where's the forum? You said? They're these chat groups where this begins. Where are those? Speaker 2 So I have some screenshots of of these mental health support groups. Sometimes they're official, like actual mental health support group where a child may be having suicidal ideations or eating disorder or whatever it may be. And, and these guys will join there looking for the child that's, you know, that that's suffering. And then they, they reach out to them and pull them out of that site. So there's, there's the official real sites that that really will help you for your mental health. And they're, they're luring from there. And then they create their own fake ones where they'll post on Twitter that'll say, you know, are you struggling with XYZ? Join this group. They join the group. Everybody's all nice to you and friendly and bubbly. And then the second that you send that nude photo and, and I'm sure you know, if, if you if, if, like for me when I was a kid getting bullied in school, for example, I just, it's something that at the time I thought it would never go away. I thought that my life was over. I thought that no matter, you know, no matter what I did, like nobody was ever going to like me, you know, and and I relate with these, these kids that when they send these nude photos, they think my life's ruined. You know, if this, this, if this gets out to my school or to my family or to my, you know, boss or whatever it may be, that they're never going to come back from it. Like, yeah, they made a mistake. They shouldn't have been sending a naked photo of themselves on the Internet. I I get that. But their life will be OK. It does, It doesn't mean you have to end your life over it. And, and that's what these, these guys want you to do. They want you to hurt yourself to the point where they, they're recording it, they, they create, you know, content from it and send it to other groups and brag about what they're doing. And, you know, and the end result is, is them trying to get you to end your life and 'cause as much violence and extreme extremism as possible. And and like, like I said, I have video after video of these people live on camera. Like talking to these group members, stabbing strangers, lighting people on fire, kicking old women down the steps. And I could kill, go on and on and on. And it's very disturbing stuff. But it's it's happening. And kids are are susceptible to this and they're like, they're at risk. I mean, they genuinely are at risk. This is not me. I'm not like putting a tinfoil hat on right now and saying like, this is a problem. This is a problem, like a significant one, so I would like to show you that I know you're uncomfortable with it, I just want you to. Speaker 1 Please do. OK, I'm just as you're talking. I'm thinking like, how did we get to a place like this? Speaker 2 Evil. I think that, you know, we could get on a deep conversation about this, but I and people might say I'm, I'm nuts, but I, I believe that we're, we could be in the end times like it. It's the world's pretty messed up right now. Speaker 1 So yeah, the love between people will grow cold. That is predicted, and it clearly has. And to hurt people for the for the pure joy of hurting them. Speaker 2 That's it. There is no other benefit. Yeah. And I've never seen anything like that in my life. You know, I especially coordinated and and connected with real Satanist groups like Order of Nine Angles, like a real Satanist group off of the Internet. They have a direct connection with them as well. So they they identify as Satan. Speaker 1 I will say Russia banned Satanism, Putin banned Satanism. It's one of the reasons they hate Putin. And if you look at who hates Putin the most, it's not the anti satanist. Oh you can say whatever you want, but a normal country would just ban this. Sorry, you can't. You can't try to evoke spiritual evil in my country because you'll destroy it. And they have. Speaker 2 Yeah, well, I mean, it's definitely legal what they're doing. There's some weird law with, you know, child sexual abuse material. C Sam is obviously a, a child that's naked, but when a a child cuts their wrist or they they do something like that, unless it is sexualized, it's not considered C Sam. So I believe that the same way that we made an exception in the United States with AI generated child pornography or C Sam, we made an exception that we, we treat that as the real thing. Because people post pictures of their kids all the time on social media. And I have these groups, I have screenshots of these groups with 3040 thousand users in them that are using other people's children with AI and, and putting them in vulnerable, horrible positions. And it's like, it's, I don't want to be the guy going on social media saying, Hey, don't post your child that you're so proud of because these guys are weirdos. But like this, the size of these groups, they have a pretty good reason to say it, you know, and, and I can prove it. It's not me just saying it. Let me show you this group in particular like because I I may put it in folders trigger warning here. You know it's it's a lot tougher so. Speaker 1 Here speaking speaking to the mic here. Speaker 2 There's a lot here and and it starts with Loring, which is a little, you know, this is some mental health stuff. Join cool friendly server to help you go through your hard times and you can see Harm nation here. That's one of the things that they use. Speaker 1 Harm Nation. Speaker 2 Yep, and you see that says com so COM is connected to 764. So this this looks like OK, that looks like a younger girl joining this friendly server for you know, to help you through your depression. Another one outpatient Wellness Center and then the description kind of gives away what it is. No child foreign, no gore leaking, no drugs, guns or nudity. I mean, you shouldn't have to be specifying that in a outpatient Wellness group. And this is there was a girl who did something horrible to herself as well, who was interested in gore sites. And she was a you know, she, she you know, she wasn't, look, she wasn't supposed to be looking at this type of stuff online, but she was interested in the edgy stuff that makes sense. And and that's what this is here. So it says join if you're any of the following mentally ill, fatherless daddy issues, schizo, borderline personality disorder or fem cell, which means you act a little feminine as a guy. And then this is a direct invitation to, you know, just these groups where you're going to be lured and and then eventually extorted. And then here turns into the grooming stage, which, you know, there's an entire checklist here. They had there's so many of these like 220 page documents on how I can I'll skip through this, but it's saying you know that you can find victims on games like Roblox or on social media platforms like X, formerly known as Twitter, Reddit and Instagram. Once you've found your victim, you have to spend a lot of time on her. Make her think you can relate to a lot of stuff and play games with her. Call her cute nicknames when when you have talked for a little while like Princess, Darling, Honey, etcetera. This will make her more attached to you because females love being called nicknames. Once you've talked for a while, you're going to ask her to be your girlfriend, which she most likely is going to say yes to. And now that she's under your control, you may start asking her for stuff like nudes, personal information. She doesn't do self harm. If she doesn't do self harm already, then you must extort your victim. But if she does, she will almost guaranteed cut for your dirty needs when you've done all of this. So there's like, you know, guide after guide after guide and then them literally grooming children in these chat logs here, which I'll skip over because there's just so much to read, you know, pretending to be nice and how much they love them. Please call me back. I love you. I'll do anything and this is where things get a little more graphic. So the extortion steps are and I'll skip through this as well. Just to start off, for you to be able to extort, you must also have the ability to groom without grooming. You won't get any information or any news. And if you groomed your victim, you pretty much have control of her. To extort a female properly you must have the following personal information, addresses, name, phone numbers and nudes. And once you have this stuff, you may start threatening your victim with, for example, example, sending her nudes to her parents, swatting which I'm sure you're familiar with, swatting and leaking personal information, etcetera. She doesn't do as you say. If she doesn't do as you say, examples, make a blood sign, which means like cut yourself and write on the walls, which I'll show you in a second here. Make a cut sign, which is cutting usernames into their body. Kill your cat, kill yourself. And at the end, if you've done everything correctly, you should have gotten exactly what you want to remember. Never say content is content because no one wants to see some S word cat scratches, which means like not cutting yourself deep enough to be honest with you. That is nothing that is that is not even 10% of how bad this gets. And you know, I just, I know that people that are watching this are not going to see these videos and pictures. Speaker 1 I hope not, because that's so upsetting that in this whole conversation came about because I was down at Shawn Ryan's place in Tennessee and he was overwhelmed and really wounded for real. This man, it was a Navy SEAL seen a lot. And this just undid him for a time. And I can see why. I just feel like the only way that that's ever going to get fixed is not through law enforcement, federal law enforcement, but through like Christian religious revival. I mean only, only an atheist country could have stuff like that. Speaker 2 It's unbelievable. It's sad. And I agree with you and, and I, I believe in God. I, I, I think that you know that these these people are the definition of evil. I can't find any other any other justification of why this stuff even happens outside of evil. Speaker 1 It does make you reassess the satanic sacrifice panic of the 1980s, we were told. Dorothy Rabinitzo, the of the Wall Street Journal told us it was a panic and I believed her. There were a bunch of arrests in the 80s of these satanic cult rings that were abusing children. And there was a lot of evidence it was real. But then there was some evidence that it wasn't real. And like, I didn't know what to think. And then I remember thinking at the time, this was in the early 90s, like, there's no way that could actually happen. They're not organized satanic groups. Sacrificing animals, harming children, killing children, holding black masses like this. America, man. Speaker 2 It's weird. It's very. Speaker 1 But it's. Speaker 2 Clearly true. It's clearly true. And and I and Tucker, I haven't like you don't want to see it, but you know, I don't I can show you these people in the masses, masses. These groups are not like by people in them. There's mass quantities of people in these groups that are doing this, this, you know, that are participating in this behavior as well as as well as trying to join these groups. They require proof of crime is what they call. So like, if you want to be a part of a specific group, you have to prove that you have victims, whether that be digital victims that were sex thwarted or maybe you went out and, and murdered a homeless person, which is, I have a couple videos of homeless people being murdered. And you know, one that that will never leave my brain is it isn't like I just brought up the old woman and he's on a call with, with somebody from the group. He, he, he kicks her down the steps and, you know, and he starts just beating on her. And then he, he slits her throat, you know, and, and you, you watch this and he's doing this live with somebody on a phone call laughing. And, and then you see him running through a field with a knife. It has blood all over it. And, and it was just a senseless act of violence for, for evil. I mean, it's just evil and it infuriates me so much to the point and upsets me, of course. And that's why I talked about in the beginning, the compartmentalization. If I wasn't able to turn this off, I won't be able to function. I, I can't, you know, I and I'm not heartless. I don't, I do have a soul and, and I go to church twice a week and, and I pray to God that this stuff goes, you know, not just this, but any type of child crime just disappears. I know it's not realistic. I know that evil powers this country and I, I know that that Satan is the Prince of the air is what it says in the Bible. I know these things. But, but you know, I, I have to understand that my spot is to use my voice, use my experience, use my time to educate as many people as I possibly can about these problems. Because unfortunately, you know, one in four girls are, are hurt, you know, sexually as children, one in 20 boys are. And that number, what does that number end up being in the future, especially if these victims, you know, not not all of them, but a large number of them re offend in their lifetime. What what happens in the next generation? Is it going to be one in 2 girls and one in 10 boys? And where does this end? So, so I pray that that this, that this ends and, and parents actually open up and they realize that these devices like you hand your kid a phone, an iPad, a computer, a gaming console, because, you know, it's, it's almost like a babysitter to them. When I was a child, which was only two, you know, 20 something years ago, my mom gave me a prepaid phone that I had to top up with minutes, you know, and I'm sure people can relate to that. If she said, give me that phone, I wouldn't have cared. But these kids, that's their connection to the world. That's like trying to, it's like cutting off one of their hands. You know, that these phones are their connection to people. And if they're scared to come to you about something like what I just showed you or somebody that's extorting them or grooming them, or they don't know what grooming is and they can't, you know, they can't determine that they're being groomed. Having these conversations with your kids and knowing that they're you're going to come to you if something like this happens, even if it is embarrassing to them, could potentially save their life, you know, and, and that that's why I'm doing what I'm doing. I'm not doing it because I enjoy looking at children cutting their. Speaker 1 So it's so bad. It's so bad for anyone to see those images. And I feel sorry for you. And I know you know a lot of people who've I've seen some ugly things. Not that you know nothing by comparison to an afternoon on the Internet, though. Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah, the internet's wild and. And why the reason why there's? Speaker 1 Any effort at all to There's a lot of effort to police my political speech, any criticism of Benjamin Netanyahu, who was instantly policed, but is there any real effort to police this like. Speaker 2 So one thing going back to Roblox is they they banned vigilantes on their platform, Schlep being one of them. They put to. Speaker 1 Explain what that means. Speaker 2 So, so a vigilante, somebody that's taking the law into their own hands and schlep, he got, I think it was six of them arrested with mug shots from the Roblox platform. So he pretended to be a child on the platform, waited for people to message him, you know, but even as a civilian entrapment doesn't exist. You have to be law enforcement would be entrapment. But he pretended to be, you know, just like a law enforcement officer. Grown adults messaged him. He he got 6 arrests in a short period of time and then Roblox banned him from the platform and sent him a cease and desist in the mail. Speaker 1 Why? Speaker 2 Because he's a vigilante on the platform and they believe that that causes more danger. And they put this ridiculous press release out that, you know, people can look into. From there, Schlep started to go public. He got to. Speaker 1 Return. Speaker 2 This guy, I, I forget the guy's name. I can bring it up if you want. It's a, it's a, it's a publicly traded company, but the CE OS name is escaping me at the moment. I think it's whatever. Schlep, though, is a younger kid and he's been working with Chris Hansen on, you know, doing some awesome stuff and documentary. And unfortunately he was groomed on the platform as a child, which is what motivated him to be a vigilante on the platform. And you know, I, I think that, you know, I, I just can't comprehend why a platform would, you know, why, why a platform would ban the people that are helping make it cleaner, you know, even if it is in a. Speaker 1 Why do you think, What's the motivation there? Speaker 2 I have no idea. Speaker 1 Did they reach out to him and say thank you for what you've done? Speaker 2 No, they did the opposite. They sent a cease and desist in the mail to to his house, which is, you know, he posted it on Twitter and. Speaker 1 Did he? Would they allege he did something wrong? Speaker 2 They, I, I don't believe that. I think they just for saying there was a, it was dangerous or like I'd have to look at the press release for the exact words. I don't want to get sued by Roblox. So try to be careful with what I say here. But but you know, this is all factual. I mean, he was, they, they put out a, a press release that said it and that he did get a cease and desist and there all of that stuff happened. And from what I was told, they don't allow law enforcement to conduct investigations on their platform either. That doesn't mean the law enforcement doesn't, but they don't, they don't allow for it supposedly. So I don't understand what they're, they're, what they're angling or what they're trying to do, posturing to do for other words. But it's weird. It's just a strange thing. Speaker 1 Well, if they're punishing the guy who is trying to punish the criminals, it's kind of like the defund the police. Like OK, then whose side are you on? Speaker 2 Yeah, but let me show you what their stock looks like now after just, you know, talking about that exact thing. I think that a lot of people are in agreement agreement with us. Like why would you why would you do that? I mean, here's the six months that you can you can look at this over, you know, it's it could split in half. So I know that. And what is the top article here? Understand understanding Roblox grooming problem you know so for being the largest children's game, if the headline article is their grooming problem, then maybe you should do something about it or or take bigger actions other than and. Speaker 1 Also, you don't want to go to hell for eternity, so that's also a good motivator. I think I. Speaker 2 Don't think many people in Silicon Valley are worried about hell, And they should be. Speaker 1 I agree with that. Speaker 2 So it's a, it's, it is what it is and it's very sad for me. And, and I don't want people to be, you know, the, the people that don't know me at all and they're watching me for the first time to think that I'm just consuming myself with evil for fun, that my, I do this and, and I, and these are active investigations as well. I'm showing you the stuff that's publicly out there. But like, I'm, you know, I'm still trying to get them arrested. I'm still actively assisting in the arrest of these individuals and more can't talk about those cases of course, but the but this public stuff it's it's not fun for me. I I feel like this is a purpose that was given to me by God and I I don't know how much you know about my story. If you if Sean told you or I told you. So I get a text message from my friend's wife and it had three screenshots in it and at this time I had no idea about child obviously new predators and. Speaker 1 What were you doing for a living then? Speaker 2 At that time I owned medical facility so for substance use and and and mental health they change it from abuse to use. So it's a weird thing. I got a text message from my friend's wife and it was three different screenshots of this horrible website that was on the clear web that anyone could visit This like not the quote UN quote dark web that people talk about. That is really just that. It's called Tor, the Onion router on the clear web, anyone can see this website. And one of these three photos was a picture of a child that was sitting in a bathtub. You can see their back. Like you could tell that they were nude, but you could just see their back. And the title of the forum post said they have no idea what's going to happen to them tonight. And underneath of it, all of these people will talk. We're talking about what they were going to do to this person's child. So this is my first time ever seeing anything like this. And I, I might, you know, I'm like disgusted to on a level that I've never felt before. So I leave where I'm at. I physically left the location of where I was at because, you know, I, I, I just had this switch flip in my brain that I didn't know I had. I don't have children. I wasn't abused as a child. Like, you know, like, like I, I just had to have been a God thing for me. So I go home with the intention on, of, of trying to probe around this website and, and take it down, which without all the technical details for the nerds that are listening, like I was going to do a distributed denial of service attack, just keep the site shut down. Like it would have been impossible to load the site, which is a very simple, easy attack to do. It sounds crazy, but it's a very easy one. But I got lucky. If you want to say lucky, I got lucky that they used the forum called Zenforo and they used they used a theme that happened to be nulled, meaning they didn't pay for access to use this theme. And that theme gave me access to their their entire server, which included their entire database. So now this website that is absolutely terrible, that's that children are on selling themselves that people are on looking for that type of material and chatting about it in it on an open forum that anyone can read. I now have full access to their entire site to, to download anything I want and to try to uncover who, who's running it. So I, I, I started to have a little bit of common sense that because I, I got an adrenaline rush at this point when I realized I have access to this, that common sense started to kick in. If you download all of this data, you're going to be in possession of CSAM. And, and I didn't know the term CSAM back then. I just used the term child porn. And you know, I don't like the word child porn person. I feel like it implies consent. But the, the I knew that if I downloaded this database, I cannot include images, videos, any attachments because when I go to deliver this to law enforcement, I don't want to get wrapped up in anything like that. The last thing I need is somebody Google searching Ryan Montgomery and then something like that horrible comes up. You know, so I thought about that even back then and I wrote a script to extract the database and the first user it was and exclude all that stuff. The first user in that database was a politician in Virginia named Nathan Larson. And, and he's a little bit of a wack job politician, but he was, you know, running for Congress. The guy. Speaker 1 As a libertarian. Speaker 2 I believe so. I believe so. He Yeah, so. So Nathan Larson was running this website, never heard of him before at that time. And I start to, you know, export the database for 7000 total people in this database across four different backups that were on the server. It was just a combination with how many users. So this is my this is my beginning. I go from not knowing anything about this at all to now I got a database of 7000 pedophiles and I want to do something with it. So I reach out to the my attorney first. Actually, I believe it was, but I reached out to him who who reached out to the, the task force in the local, like the Palm Beach County task force, I think it was, or Broward, one or the other. And then ic3.gov, National Center for Missing, Nick, Nick National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, and then 11 different media stations because there was a six month gap in between law enforcement not ever showing up at my door like I thought they were going to. And then I was like, OK, well then I'm just bringing this to the media because I feel like they may take action if I, you know, go to the media. So I, I read, I, I spoke to, to about all sides, left, right, metal, you know, whatever. And politics really isn't my thing. So I spoke to all and any reporter that would take the time to talk to me, every single one of them was interested in running the story. They, not one of them was saying like, you know, we're, we don't want to take this story. They all came back with almost unidentical answer that their legal team was not willing to run it for liability reasons, for legal reasons or how the data was obtained. So my rebuttal to that was, you know, just run it without my name, run it without any of the legally quote UN quote obtained material. Just let people know that this website exists, that there's children on here that are selling their body. All, you know, let them let parents know that this is happening. Not one of them run, run the story. So I'm very aggravated at this point that nobody wants to run anything. Six months goes by Nathan Larson's and my Google alerts, I get a notification. Nathan Larson's arrested with a 13 year old girl in Denver, Co that he kidnapped and raped. And I was so aggravated because every one of those articles I know that could have been prevented if they listened to me in the 1st place. There's 7000 other people in this database that have nothing has happened to at this point. And I didn't want to just leak it to the Internet because if I leaked it to the Internet and there were parent concerned parents on there, which it would have been hard for that to happen because the application process to become a user, you have to answer some wild questions. But even undercovers like I didn't want to leak the database and, and potentially do what, like Ashley Madison did you know, like people killed themselves over that leak. So, you know, I, I, I'm waiting all this time and no, law enforcement is not helping. Media is not helping. Nathan gets arrested with this little girl and they don't include the website at all in any articles. Like they talk about him being a a person that ran for Congress. You've seen like you, you know, you've heard the story, but you probably haven't heard about the websites that he was running. And you know, 7000 people is, you know, it's not a crazy number, but it's a lot of pedophiles in one spot. And if I got all of their e-mail addresses and all their usernames and all their private messages and everything you need, I don't know why this wouldn't be a, a case on a, on a golden platter or silver platter for, for law enforcement. So I was very angry at that point. And the only thing that I could think to do because I didn't have the network I have now, you know, I, I'm just a computer hacker that owns healthcare facilities. And I'm kind of saying in the dark. So I was like, you know, I see these vigilante predator groups on YouTube. And at that time it wasn't like they are now. There's a ton of them that exist now where they go out, they they have decoys who pretend they're kids and then they go out and, and confront them 1 by 1. And I saw back then there are, there are only like, you know, a few of them on on YouTube, not not a ton. So I asked them because one, I'm sorry, I'm skipping a little bit ahead here. So those groups that were there, I noticed that in the videos where they're confronting these predators, where they believe they're meeting up with a real child and then they get confronted by an adult, similar to how Chris Hansen was doing it with law enforcement. They were just doing it without law enforcement. They wouldn't know the person's name a lot of these groups or where they worked or what their wives name was or what kind of car they drove or any details about them that would just show up. So I was like, OK, that's where my value could come in. I can, I can identify these people and, and I you know what, there's a better chance of this guy staying if you know where he works, if you know what he does and all of his personal details, he's got a better chance of not just turning around and getting back in his car and driving away. So I reach out to these channels, Ioffer, you know, to get to provide them with a full case file on anyone that they send, you know, identifiers to. And a few of them accepted. And for a couple years I, I did that. So I was, I was helping these channels anonymously. I wasn't putting my name out there. I wasn't asking for any money. I just wanted to help. And that's what made me feel better about nothing happening in the 1st place with this one website with the politician. Then skip, you know, skip those two years of me doing that. A friend of mine, a professional MMA fighter, we start and there's a reason why I say that he's professional MMA fighter and we're sitting in a garage. I'm telling him this exact story. I pop open a chat room, I show him, you know that how bad this problem is. Again, demonstrating that it can happen anywhere, anytime. Unfortunately, zero effort required and he is more than willing to start a group with me to catch these guys in our local area and in Delray Beach, FL. So it was called and he's still running it. It's called 561 PC. And once he starts doing that and he's got a little bit of a social media following and people start watching, you know, us catch predators. I'm behind the camera and he's, you know, the face of it, reading the chat logs to these predators 1 by 1. A couple of the podcast that focus on MMA wanted to talk to him and, and, and ask him, you know, about catch a predators. He brung me along on these podcasts and one of them asked me the question, how did you get started? So that question right there is what changed the complete trajectory of my life. Like we wouldn't be sitting here right now if that question wasn't asked. And you know, like the butterfly effect type of situation, but they asked that question, I explained that there was this case. I still had all that data, still nothing done with it legally. I just have this database of all these people, nothing done. And from there, I have all kinds of media reaching out the next day because the, a clip from that podcast got 10 million views in less than 24 hours on a, on a smaller podcast, I wake up and my inbox is full. My phone's getting phone calls and emails and everybody wants to hear the story. Nobody want to listen to me the day before, but not only want to hear it because it went viral on social media. And one of those people was Sean Ryan. Sean Ryan it is. And I didn't know Sean at this time. We never even spoke to each other. And but he saw my clip and he was like, I want to get your message out there. And he took a huge chance on me because I could have been lying. I could have been nut job and schizophrenic. I might have been making this whole story up. But Sean took me, you know, took the chance on me of not only that it was truthful, but the chance of releasing that type of content with screenshots and, and chat logs and all this stuff on YouTube with the chance that he might lose his channel. So I go in there into Sean Ryan's show and I'm wearing like, you know, a T-shirt. I, I, I say this a lot, but like, I'm wearing an oversized T-shirt paler than I am now. I'm skinny. I, you know, I'm, I'm hesitating on my words. I got lights in my face. I probably drank 8 bottles of water. I'm so nervous, you know, and not, not because of, you know, talking about the what I wanted to get out there. I just not used to being on a podcast. You know what, it's just wasn't my thing. And I, I finished it up after we talk about gadgets, which you know what we'll get into. I want to show you some fun, happy stuff in a minute. But you know, I start doing that and then I get into this stuff and, and I walk out of the studio and I asked Sean, I'm like, hey, man, how do you think that went? Be honest with me because I, I really felt like I messed it up. And he was like, yeah, man, I think it went pretty well. And, and him and I both didn't think it was going to make it 5 minutes on YouTube because they're, they're pretty strict sometimes when it comes to when you, especially when you show with that type of content. So we didn't think it was going to make it more than 5 minutes. And I was OK with that. I was well, like, OK, fine. At least I tried. I did everything I possibly could. Sean sends me a text as soon as it's released, pretty close to as soon as it was released. And, and I'm sure you've seen this one of 10, meaning your video is doing well. And I didn't know what it meant. I just Sean said that it was doing well. It became his biggest podcast that he's ever done. Still current day on Apple, Spotify, YouTube, combined, it's got hundreds of millions of views, a total of with the shorts, billions of views. And and I'm not saying this because I'm some note noteworthy individual that at the time that had like a, you know, that would have brought that type of traffic in. I think what happened is people could resonate and understand that this is not, this is not something that is an uncommon problem. It's something that it's a taboo topic that people don't talk about until it happens or you know, or happens to someone around them or happens in their family. And I'm showing the significance of the problem, not just with my words, but with factual evidence, you know, and especially with a live, live demonstration of it happening on the podcast. And, you know, Sean and I got very close and, and now, I mean, this is kind of it my first time announcing this, but like, I'm, I'm the godfather of Sean's child, you know, like him and I are very close and, and, and that means a lot to me. I mean, that's, that's his first born child. And I, you know, I'm, and I don't want to go into detail about his personal stuff, but that Sean gave me the OK to, to say that. And I, you know, I'm, I love the guy very much. And he, he took a chance on me that nobody else would, you know, And there's a whole other story with that you might be interested in with Project Veritas getting involved and then fumbling it. And, you know, their interim CEO telling me the story wasn't a tidal wave and they threw it out. But the journalist at Project Veritas tried very hard. Then they they did expose a few people in that original database. They tried to partner up with Sean on the release of it but completely failed. Speaker 1 Why do you think that Project Veritas wouldn't run it? Speaker 2 I think they're just were extremely incompetent after James O'Keefe either left or was fired. Whatever actually happened there, no one really knows except for him and I. I genuinely don't. I don't even know him personally. But they reach out. They said they want to do it. The journalist spent a ton of time uncovering these people and showing up where they were at, recording them undercover and and asking them, Hey, what were you doing on this site and, and why, you know, did you say this? Did you say that? And they had all this evidence, but since it didn't make it into the New York Post or the New York Times, they weren't willing, willing to continue with the story. And then I looked into the the, you know, I looked into the circulation on those whatever one, it was presser the times, our post or the times. And the circulation was like a 10th of what social like, you know, a small influencer on social media would be getting in, you know, that year. So it made no sense to see the interim CEO. Her name is Hannah Giles. I don't know if you're familiar with her, but she OK, so Hannah got gets on the phone with me and says that this story is not a tidal wave. And it got completely shut down. Their journalists, on the other hand, were very upset about it. They because they, they really cared. It was a passion project for them. The, the, the management team, they, they just threw it out. But Shawn Ryan was the one that pushed the story so far. That allowed me to get involved with federal law enforcement, to work with Satinel Foundation to, to deal, you know, now I've been, I've worked with every agency under the sun. You name the acronym. It's I've worked with them and it's, you know, it's a blessing that I never thought would ever happen for me. It's a very dark path that I chose to take, but, but I believe that I did it for the right reasons. And, and I, I told you, I pray, I pray to, to God every single night that if you don't want this in my life to take it away from me, you know, and, and it's just, you know, unfortunately keeps getting worse. Speaker 1 So you made reference earlier to organized groups that are behind this almost inconceivable effort to make children harm themselves? Satanist groups? What are those groups? Speaker 2 So there's a few of them that that I'm familiar with or that I've seen, I guess is a better way to put it. And it just actually reminded me of a conversation I want to show you because a lot of it's senseless. So like the like the it's all senseless. But you know, even if they believe that what they're doing is right. So the order of nine angles is one that I believe has been around a long time. The. Speaker 1 Order of nine angles. Speaker 2 There are O9A they go by, they are, they believe in a thing called culling, which is like, you know, they believe that they get power by harming other people. Speaker 1 They do. That's a real spiritual principle. That's what human, that's what abortion is. That's what human sacrifice is. Speaker 2 Understood. Speaker 1 That's what you know. Every ancient religion was about that. From the Canaanites still present. Yeah. That's like that is literally devil worship. You get power from from hurting. Speaker 2 Others and they, they believe that. I mean they they openly talk about it and and use the words culling is. Speaker 1 Culling. Culling. Yeah. Oh, 9A. Speaker 2 09 A and then I saw a reference recently to NLM. No, lives matter. And and if you don't mind, I can pull it out. I want to show you this conversation because the guy is, you know, one of them is selling tickets to his suicide and another one is he wanted to be murdered by, you know, suicide by cop. But instead of just letting it happen that way, he was talking to one of these these cultists and and he was deciding, you know, should he, you know, murder a bunch of people on the way out? And what group is he going to do it for? You know, I, I just, you know. Speaker 1 Right. You don't need to. I mean, what we're watching is like, you know, a country that needs an exorcism. Speaker 2 It seriously does. And, and that, that conversation, if you don't want to say that's OK, it's a it's, it's a guy that is just he, he's ready to end his life like, and I don't support hurting yourself in any way, shape or form. But if you're going to do that, don't bring other people out with. Speaker 1 You the whole point of it is, I mean, suicide's an act of hostility. Anyone who's been around it can affirm that. So yeah, by the way, Jesus cast the demons, the legion of demons out of the man into the herd of pigs Was the first thing they do, kill themselves. Oh, yeah. So like, yeah. Speaker 2 That's a good point. Speaker 1 Yeah. No, it's, it's so obviously the product of of possession order of nine angles. What does that mean? 9 angles. Speaker 2 I I genuinely don't know but. Speaker 1 It's been around a while. Speaker 2 Been around a while. Yeah. Yeah, I do know that part. Speaker 1 And these are groups that are just like Internet groups. Speaker 2 Yeah, but I think Order of Nine Angles also has like physical members that are not just Internet. There's a combination between them and like let's just say 764 instead of because there's a ton of subgroups that go underneath of it to do exactly the same thing. They have connections to these real life groups that like, you know, that will go out and, you know, protest something or go burn a burn a building down or have you ever heard of like, you know, I don't want to go off completely off to a different topic here, but we we brought up swatting temporarily. Do you know what swatting is? I do OK, So I've been swatted 3 times just talking about these, these things on online by these these guys and you know, telling people that there's, there's a, you know, I got which I don't even have a wife, but my wife is tied to a chair. I got bombs in the windows and I'm going to kill any cop that comes in the door. And, you know, I request these 911 calls because I know the cops in the area I could. And you can do Freedom of Information act or just request it from dispatch. And I hear it's not even like, you know, it doesn't sound anything like me and any of these calls, but SWAT teams are coming to my house and they want, and now they got the last one. They called my phone in advance and told me, Hey, we got officers around the corner. Like, would you mind just coming out front to make sure everything's all good? And I'm out there with my coffee cup and did a little 360 around. And like, you know, they're, they just are trying to torture me and they're, they've been harassing my family. They've, you know, they've threatened my friends, they've threatened my, me, the death threats. They, they, you know, you name it, they've done it. Speaker 1 What I find baffling is that you and I are talking about these groups. You're naming them. They've harmed you. They've clearly harmed or killed other people. What kind of effort is there at the FBI to to find these people and prosecute them? Speaker 2 It's just, it's, it's not, it's, I don't think that it's a lack of passion. I think that, you know, HSI, for example, all they're focusing on right now is immigration. Like people are literally leaving their jobs because all like the actual, from, from what I've been told, they are, you know, they're not focusing on investigations, especially in child crimes. You know, they're just focusing on immigration. FBI on the other hand, I don't think the passion isn't there. I think the problem is the resources and the the the skill set and the training that that that doesn't exist. Speaker 1 Well if you have active Satanist groups trying to kill people in your country, it seems like that would be a party. I mean, I know it's not like January 6th level priority, but like somewhere on the list you would have to want to address that, right? Speaker 2 Totally understand and they they are addressing it, but not not in the not to the ability that I know that they could. So, you know, it kind of segued into me coming up with an idea because we send with Sentinel Foundation, we send people all over the world to train law enforcement on how to use new tools and how to identify people the same way that identified you. Like the first way, you know, 1st 10 minutes of our, our show training law enforcement, like how to do those things so that they could go off of an identifier like a username or a profile photo or a phone number or whatever it may be. Let's say it's just a license plate or I, I've even had one guy, I remember the story, but he had a, he was, he was like a plumber, you know, and, and you can see the logo of the plumbing company and a little portion of his face. And I was able to locate him just based on where he worked. I didn't even know what city or town that he lived in or name. And I went through the, it's simple but effective. Went through the Facebook comments of that particular business. I did a reverse image search, not face search, reverse image search of the logo for the plumbing company, found their Facebook profile and then was able to locate him based off of, you know, a little, a little portion of the picture that I could identify him as. Took a lot of legwork. There was no automation. There was no advanced technology there. But sometimes open source intelligence is, is is simple and sometimes it's extremely advanced. And that's why people like myself and other people that are working in this space, you know, if they, if they're good with open source intelligence, because it doesn't just apply to child crimes, if it applies to any crime, identifying where somebody is out or what they're doing or what something is or details about a particular thing should be a skill set of all law enforcement, I believe. And, and we're doing a great job at that with Sentinel, but then with Pen Tester, we made a product called Ositpilot that, you know, it's instead of training and transcending people all over the world and country, they can just conversationally talk. This is only for law enforcement, by the way, this is not for consumers. The Pentester.com product itself is for consumers. But OSINT Pilot, if you're law enforcement, reach out to us, we'll help you out. There's no training required. So you type in a person, let's just say it was that guy that had a, a logo of a plumbing company on his shirt and his face wasn't really that visible and there wasn't much to go off of. Our tool quit will take that image, it will take the description and it'll search, you know, search everything you would do by hand. We have over 40 tools implemented into it. And about 10 minutes later you'll have a 30 or 40 page report on that individual if it was something it was able to find. Obviously the more identifiers you add, the more effective it's going to be. But but we made something that's never been done before and it requires no training. Like you said, you don't have a computer. You never used a computer. I guarantee you that if I said, hey, find, you know, John Doe, here's your identifier that you have the last four digits of his phone number and you know, he lives in this city and it's, you know, first name and you know the last initial that tool will find him. And, and even if you didn't know to put that information in our tool will tell you, you know, it'll tell you what to provide it. So it's something that we we built, we're super proud of it. And it's, you know, that that's that's what I believe the FBI should be doing. HSI everybody should be reaching out to not only myself, but anybody that's willing to provide these Osent resources or because they're getting deeper than that Osent Sagan human. There's all these different types of intelligence that, you know, more people out there than myself are doing. But you know, just my opinion. Speaker 1 Yeah, It just seems like an emergency if you have, you know, Satanist groups working to kill Americans and their children. I don't know. I mean, I know you know, they're not Iranian, but that would seem like something we should be really working to it. Speaker 2 Shouldn't be a, a computer nerd like myself digging through these chat rooms or or Sentinel Foundation. We should be working in and a lot of times we're working in tandem with federal law enforcement like with, with all of these cases. But when it comes to the the mass scale, you're absolutely right. It's not, it's not being prioritized in the way that that we're prioritizing it. Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, it's everything that will destroy you and your family. What is that box of gadgets right there? Speaker 2 I got a lot of gadgets for you and I think that you're going to like them. So we let's see, let's get this a better, better happy no. Speaker 1 I don't know if that's happy or not. I'm afraid of gadgets too. Speaker 2 Oh, there. No, it's a different type of fear. The other ones are more of a, yeah, I'll show you. I almost messed with you. And I don't want to give away where we're at right now, but downstairs is a very unique place, right? And there's a lamp that happened to be sitting there. I don't know, you know, you probably don't even know it's there. But to the left of the couch, there's a lamp sitting there. And this right here, my friend, his name's Peaks. He took a regular bulb off of Amazon. It's called Wise, like. And then he made a bunch of different ones. So like you could buy this smart bulb on Amazon and make it change colours essentially is all that it does. He, he put modified software or firmware onto this bulb and I can match the colours of your other bulbs. Let's say I was in your bathroom going to, you know, using it, swapped out a bulb and left your office. Now I have an implant that I can monitor your, your Wi-Fi or, or try to pivot from this device to your other devices and take over your computers and, you know, in your house or your office. And you know, I can show you. If you had a lamp, I could show you. But you know. Speaker 1 Would tell me what it does, so I leave that in your house and then I get to do what? Speaker 2 So leave this in in a house, for example, the goal would be to access your, your, your network. So I would knock your devices offline with it. It has the ability to do that, which you know, I it's called a de authentication attack. And then from there you capture what's called a handshake. And then I could try to crack your Wi-Fi password from that handshake. Once I have that, now this light bulb is on your network with the rest of your computers. And you know, from from there, I could try to pivot from the bulb onto your computers with your sensitive information and, and files and you know, anything. Or I could start to reroute your traffic with it's called DNS to phishing pages and try to steal credentials. I mean, this light bulb could, could be, you know how a router is connected to the Internet. I could trick your computer into believing that this light bulb is the router. So I have the way I'm routing the Internet through the bulb. It can do a lot more than that, I'm just trying to simplify it a little. Speaker 1 Bit and I can communicate with that light bulb from afar. Speaker 2 In, in this, this bulb. No, I have to, you have to do within Wi-Fi range. There are other devices that are implants that you could at a distance with SIM cards or, or other means or if they're plugged directly into the back of the computer, you know, like I do have one of those in my bag that you would never know. You would never unplug it because it looks like it's, it's supposed to be there. That one connects. You know, I could be in Guatemala and I could have complete control over that device from Guatemala. Wow. Yeah. So that that's that's the the hackers night light. I thought that was kind of a cool. That is cool. And, you know, think of it like this, like these. That's this is a real brand. This is not something that he they paid the prototype. He hacked the bulb itself and it, you know, imagine a company like this either getting hacked, like compromised or like a lot of these come from China. So let's say a Chinese company goes rogue, which I don't think it's too crazy to think about modern day, and that sends out custom firmware for these bulbs that does something malicious on your home network. You know, what if it gains access to your computer or to your Amazon Alexa or whatever it may be, and now they're listening to you in your house or they're they're, you know, just trying to steal your passwords or doing whatever they're doing. They're collecting data or Intel, which there's so many examples of that here's another one. So same guy just buying smart, you know, they're called Internet of Things or smart home devices straight off the Internet. This is just a smart plug that looks, I mean, you can look at it, there's nothing, nothing special. Speaker 1 What? What makes it smart? Speaker 2 It connects to Alexa and Wi-Fi so you can turn something on or off. Just a simple gadget that you can buy on Amazon. OK, you know, and let's say you want. Speaker 1 So you you plug this in, plug, plug the lamp or whatever into this, and then rather than actually just moving your fingers and turning it off, you tell some chick called Alexa to do it. Speaker 2 Yeah, you tell Alexa, You say, hey, turn the lamp on and she turns the lamp on. That is essentially the same as the light bulb. So that will monitor you know the network and and still work just as as it does out of the. Speaker 1 Fact. I don't want to be judgy, but the idea of like having Alexa in my house or anything like this in my house is just bizarre to me. Why would you do that? Speaker 2 So I my personal reason is is I can see the traffic going in and out of my house. I know that the microphone has to be listening at all times to look to listen for the word Alexa. I'm aware of that. But I know that my conversations unless I say the word Alexa are not being sent to Amazon server. So I'm personally not scared of it, but I do know that if if somebody really wanted to, they could use those devices to listen or see inside my house. That is a fact. Speaker 1 Well, of course, yeah, even I know that Yeah, of. Speaker 2 Course, but I I'm OK with the risk there personally. Which brings me to a topic that is a little bit more scary. Speaker 1 OK. Speaker 2 So, you know, I don't know what your setup is at home with cameras, with your garage door, with your car, you know, if you, you know, but have you ever seen, have have you ever seen anything like this before? No. So what this device would do and and the usage of the of it is illegal. So if I press that button, we're both committing a federal crime, you know? Speaker 1 Not me, man. Speaker 2 Yeah, we're not pressing the button today unless, you know, unless you want to. But this is called a jammer. So what this does is it it, it's going to shut down every single cell phone in this entire entire building 70 meters. It's going to turn off GPS, Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, all of it. It's going to jam all, all signals that are important, which means your wireless cameras are not going to work your Bluetooth, you know, microphones, your, your everything. You can't call 911. You have no way unless you have a landline hidden around here somewhere, the alarm system in this place that likely has a cellular connection can't contact. You might hear the alarm going off, but nobody's nobody's getting a notification that you're being robbed or anything. This device can cause a serious problem in your life, especially with the the video cameras and alarms and phones. There is no solution for this problem, you know and and it brings me. Speaker 1 How does that work? Speaker 2 So what it does is like, imagine a like a way to put this into an analogy would be, OK, we're in a small room, right? And if I screamed at the top of my lungs and then I told you to tell me a story, when I'm screaming, if somebody was sitting over there and I'm, you know, they may not be able to hear your story because I'm screaming. That's what this is doing. It's screaming at the top of its lung 70 meters. And signals can't, they're just so garbled by the time they make it out of that range that it, that it, you know, the 70 meter range, they don't work. So it's just immediately the second I press in that button, everything goes on. Speaker 1 What's the cancer risk from being near something like that when it's on? Speaker 2 I mean, it definitely puts a ton of Emfs out, but I don't think much more than your average radio. I mean, you're, you're surrounded. I could show you a pretty wild example of that right now without turning anything on. This is just Bluetooth alone. Check this out. I always show this to people that talk about Emfs because I, you know, you cannot avoid them here, right here. I don't. Speaker 1 Know if it can here you could just pass to me because I. Speaker 2 Here's just the, you can Scroll down, see the colors there, Scroll down on the colors. They're all the just, they're just the Bluetooth devices that are within 30 feet of us. That's just Bluetooth. So you know, imagine cellular, you got GPS, Wi-Fi, you got radio. You have like you know, from CDMAG, SM-4G, LLTE, literally all cellular signals are all hitting us. So if we got 50 Bluetooth devices in this building, which you know or more and might have been more than 50 there you're being all these signals are passing through you regardless, the ionizing radiation is the ones you should worry about like 5G and and being close to a 5G tower. I believe that those are dangerous and you know, especially at long term exposure. But no matter how protected you are, unless you live in the middle of nowhere with, you know, no signal to anything, where you put your house in what's called a Faraday cage like you, you're getting penetrated by these signals whether you like it or not. Speaker 1 What if you're sitting on an airplane using Wi-Fi? Speaker 2 Same exact thing and you're even getting ultra ultraviolet because you know the higher you go up, the less protection you have in this. Speaker 1 Pilots get skin cancer, Yeah. Speaker 2 Exactly. Exactly. So yeah, I mean, it's something. It's almost unavoidable in my opinion. Speaker 1 So that jammer right there is commercially available. Speaker 2 Yeah. So they're illegal to buy, they're not illegal to own, but they're illegal to use. So of course, I found this on the highway on my way here. Yeah, but. Speaker 1 If you wanted to buy one illegally, where would you buy? Speaker 2 It China, China is is a primary, you know place selling them and a lot of the websites are scam so luckily criminals that want to buy them will likely get ripped off. But you know, whoever bought this and left it on the on the side of the road must have known the right person to buy it from. Speaker 1 Does it work? Speaker 2 Yeah, it does work. Yeah, it definitely works. And I've used it that I've publicly used it. I know that it's a crime, but I've used it in controlled settings. Speaker 1 But if I wanted to like stage a home invasion, I'd turn that on 1st. Speaker 2 Yeah. And I've shown examples on on social media with even smaller versions of this, which I want to show you because it relates to Iran and the drones and and I want to show you something interesting with that. But I showed a device similar to this that that disabled my doorbells and disabled everything by just, you know, clicking a button because it overwhelms that signal. And when the device doesn't have storage on it itself, like a lot of these new cameras, they rely on the cloud. If they can't connect to the cloud, then the storage, I'm sorry, then the footage never existed. So repeat that, you know, if you have a cloud based camera or wireless camera, if it loses connection to the Internet or the cloud, the videos are gone, the images are gone. There's no way to ever recover it. So if somebody gets a hold of a jammer or if you just happen to lose Internet, you have no cameras anymore. You have no footage, you have no, you know, you have no way to know somebody's approaching your house or were if you weren't home that somebody entered your house. It's, it's just as if it didn't happen. So using wired cameras is a solution to that problem. And that goes for, you know, I've shown some examples on the news with the with hacking garage doors and opening cars and being able to duplicate key fobs and, you know, capturing those signals out of the sky. You know, you would never know that that's happening. So your house and I could go on a whole thing about safety with your house. But one little advice while, while it's on my mind is if your house is connected, I'm sorry, if your garage door is connected to your house and there's a door that enters your house from your garage, treat that door like it's your front door. Because I could be standing 100 feet, 200 feet away from your garage. And when you go and click that button in your car to open the door, I can capture the signal for a very large number of the manufacturers and I can forever gain access to your garage door. And I've demonstrated it over and over again in, in many different places. You know, one of the largest streamers on the Internet, Aiden Ross. I, I hacked his gate same way I, I have forever access to Aiden Ross's gate where he's got millions of dollars worth of merchandise, cars and you know, it's all with a simple gadget. So I want to show you that real quick. Sorry, I don't want to cut. Speaker 1 You no, that's amazing. Thank. Speaker 2 You so just imagine imagine that you're sitting in a Walmart parking lot as a criminal. You're a criminal and and you're, you're sitting in this parking lot. So I could be using a device like which I'll explain what this is in a second. But this device, you could buy it. It's not going to do this out-of-the-box. This is custom dark web firmware that's bought from Russians that, you know, it's, you know, right now $2900 I believe. We didn't pay for it. We like the people that that gave it to me hacked the hacked firmware. So it's like a double hacked exception, But I, I got a hold of it that way and let me just so grab this key fob and I'll show you if there's battery in this key fob OK 3. Speaker 1 Is that how people steal cars? Speaker 2 So you can't steal a car with this, but you can get in the back seat of a car with this. You could, you know. OK, here we go. You you cannot steal a car with with this you can, but you can completely duplicate this key fob. So I can pop the trunk. I can and you know, enable the alarm. I can lock and unlock it. All it takes is me just pressing any button on here doesn't matter which button. So can I show you? Can I come over there? Yeah, I just don't know how these. So you see how it's it's saying fix scan, it's listening on this frequency here, which usually key fobs are going to operate in either 315 megahertz or 433 megahertz. If I have that running at all times in a Walmart parking lot, like when I hit the lock button, let's say this is the lock button. Every time I hit lock, a new one comes up as you see. So let's say I save this and if you look here, it says Kia Hyundai, which is what this is right here. And then if I just do, let's just say, sorry, Button's not working, all right, I'll just do 01. There we go. So when I hit this, so now I don't have the key fob anymore. Imagine I have 10 people that's walking out of Walmart. They all click their key fob. Didn't matter what button they press, they could have hit lock, unlock, whatever. So I hit this, that's lock unlock. See how it says open there trunk and if you see here every single time that I click the button you see that number at the end is changing 15511 F 716 E 1C. So it's going In Sync with the key fob knowing what the next code is going to be. And all I need to do now is walk around the parking lot and start hitting the lock and unlock button and look for What Car it was. So I could, you know, let's say it's Christmas or let's say it's a holiday, or let's say I'm a, a dangerous person. I could sit in the back seat of someone's car, wait for them to get in it, and make someone's worst fear come true. Speaker 1 That's amazing. Speaker 2 So, you know, luckily, which I'll explain this over here, luckily this is not something that's easy to get your hands on right now. You can buy one of these devices for 170 bucks, but it's not going to be much more than, you know, like something that could turn ATV on or off or like last night. And, and the place that, that you guys put me in, I, I hacked the, the, the light in there, like where I could turn the light on and off and I could, you know, change the, the speed of the fan in the room, You know, just just for fun, You know, I, I thought as much content as I can get out here, I'm going to do it. So, so, you know, this device can do that type of stuff that, but it isn't going to open a garage door or hack a car. Like, you know, like I just showed you here, the, the same method with the garage door is, is identical to what I just showed you with this key fob. So my advice to everyone and including you, Tucker, is if your garage connects to your house, deadbolt that thing like it's your front door, because it just takes a sophisticated enough criminal to jam signals and, and then, you know, open your garage door and, and enter your house. You know, so I'm sure you're a believer in in protecting yourself with firearms. That's the next step. You know, you take technology out and then you know, then you have the hands on and and what what your other solutions are. But. Speaker 1 Yeah, firearms are the only technology I trust. Just being honest, they work. Speaker 2 Well, they, you know, they, they're better than 5G. They they make. I don't even. Speaker 1 Trust striker fire pistols. I'm a revolver guy. That's how you can put a. Speaker 2 Revolver right up against somebody, you don't have to worry about that. Speaker 1 Well, that's the only distance that I would be effective with a revolver because. Speaker 2 That's why cops used them, right? Wasn't it? Speaker 1 So they did use them, yeah. Then they were talked into the striker fire pistols in the early 90s and accidental shootings just went off the chart and, you know, whatever. I've got a lot of thoughts on Ballistics, but yeah, no, but the point is, you know, you don't ever want to be in a position where you have to harm somebody. Of course I'm opposed to that. But you can trust a revolver, whereas you can't trust a security system. What is that? Speaker 2 So this is called a nine box and this is a, you know, an interesting, interesting convention. So friends of mine we're there's this this hacking conference in Vegas that happens every year called Defcon and it's the largest one in the world. And 30,000 or so hackers go there from all over the world and they they meet with each other. Speaker 1 Bar scene like at night at the hacker conference? Oh. Speaker 2 My gosh, it's you. You can. You can envision it. Speaker 1 Already I can't. Speaker 2 Long hair, neck beards and totally, yeah, adult accent smells bad. Yeah, got it. It's a it's exactly what you think it is. And there's furries there, you know, a furry is. Speaker 1 No furry. A furry. Yeah, yeah. Speaker 2 Furries. You know, I got the Delco accent. Yeah, but yeah, there's furries there. You know, there's some normal hackers out there. I like to consider myself a normal one. Maybe I'm not, but then there's some real nut jobs. Speaker 1 Dude, you're at the high end of normal. Speaker 2 Thank you. Thank you very much, Tucker. Not a furry? No. OK, good, so I'm at defcon and and non ferry comes up to me and and shows me this this thing and he was like, hey man, take this. It's 3D printed. I don't know if you know a 3D printer. Of course it's this entire thing. Even the multiple colours 3D printed. I was like super impressed, especially with these ears because they're so you know, like they feel like well, I just broke it, but this side is strong. It was probably already broken. Whatever the case is, it's strong 3D printed. I was like, wow, that's impressive. That's what I said to the guy and then. You know, I, I, I didn't really know what he was giving me. I just put it around my neck because it came on a, you know, on a lanyard. And I turn it on later on and I see it's got all these crazy features and I'll show you so I'll read some of them. So it makes sense to you. There's so it's Wi-Fi, Bluetooth and other. And I started to go through it and I'm like, wow, these guys thought of like everything one second. Speaker 1 What does it do? Speaker 2 So I'm going to show you it's it does a lot and it's it's jam packed into this tiny device that they put a couple different devices inside of and then 3D printed around it. So it's got a drone detector, a drone spoofer flock camera. You know, are you familiar with Flock? Flock are these cameras that are, you know, the United States. It's a private company that's working with law enforcement. Speaker 1 Oh, of course. Speaker 2 Yeah, and they're, they're taking people's license plates and they're, you know, they're storing this data that that is invading, in my opinion, on everybody's privacy. So this is detecting flock cameras and flock devices. There's a device scout option on here that means it can track to see what devices could potentially be following or tracking you. So like if somebody was threw threw a device in your car, this could tell you, you know, that that's happening. So you like without you having to physically find it because things can only track you in certain ways, whether it be cellular, Bluetooth, Wi-Fi like or some type of Emfs are going to be coming off of that device. In this case, it's going to be looking for Wi-Fi and Bluetooth. But what I think you'd be most interested in here is it can jam. So it can do the the video cameras, remote control cars, you know, yeah, you know, and any type of signal, Wi-Fi, but not as effective as that giant one. I just pulled out the drone detector and drone spoofer is something that I think it's kind of interesting because this is a consumer device. You could buy this from them. They're willing to buy it. I'm sorry. They're willing to sell it to you on their website. And the first thought you probably are having is why would they sell a device that can do these things? You know why? Because it can cause damage. You know, it even has a body Cam detector for Axiom, the the brand police use for body cams. Like why would somebody need something like this? And you know, the answer to it is penetration testing goes good and bad. You know, like there's like we have a company that people hire us to pretend like we are the hackers. We find all the vulnerabilities before an actual attacker does so that you can fix them. The point of this device is essentially the same thing You're treating it, you know, you're treating the the the engagement as if it's a real 1. So with the drone spoofer, for example, which I I want to explain to you about this this stuff, because it's kind of wild. The drone spoofer, a counter UAS company reaches out to them. I don't know the name of the company, but I could find out for you. A counter UAS company that is working overseas asked for them to use one of these for drone spoofing. So counter UAS just means unmanned aircraft system. And when a bunch of drones are incoming, the goal is to know that that's about to happen. If you're using a device even as small as this, it overwhelmed their current system to the point where they couldn't determine whether it was real or fake drones. And it would be a, you know, not a good thing, but a great way to divert military because they're going to think we have 1000 drones coming from the north. And here's the statuses of them. One's damaged, one's, you know, landing, one's going this, you know, 20 miles an hour. This one's going 5 miles an hour. This one's, you know, you can change the statuses and make it appear like these drones are doing all of these things because of this technology that exists. It's called Remote ID. And remote ID came into effect in 2024 in consumer drones and it required that every single drone that's purchased, you know, obviously the government drones could could differ, but any, any drones purchase at March, I believe of 2024 has to transmit the position of where the person is standing, the position of the drone, the speed, the altitude and the serial number of the drone, which then could give you the name of the person that registered the drone in the 1st place. This device can can determine that with any drone that's flying around you. So if you have some guy flying around your backyard with a drone, you could go show up at his house because you know exactly where he's standing and you can get his name if he registered it. And then as, as I said, for the spoofing side of things, that could get really dangerous especially. Speaker 1 What does that mean? Spoofing you just did? It creates the impression of something that's not actually there. Speaker 2 Exactly. So on their on their UAS on their screen where it would look like their their counter UAS system, where it would look like kind of like a radar, you know, with like dots. Just imagine it being overwhelmed with dots and then they don't know if it's real or not real. They're they get geared up as if it is real. And then drones come in from a different angle that are not detectable at all. You know, so you, it's, it's very dangerous and, and I don't know what the solution to the problem is because you know, there's companies like Andrew out there that are flying drones in with fiber optic and optic cables that don't even need radio. They have local AI on them that that, you know, is, is making decisions on what parts of tanks to, to hit, to weaken them and has already been hit by this one or the drones work together, you know, So I don't know exactly what the, the solution to this problem is, but but I do believe that knowing that it exists and, and researching some of this technology, especially for, for our country is important because drones. But it's not like these are a new thing. Like they, they were called quadcopters when I was a kid and they were hobbyists or a fun thing to do. And then as time went on, people started to weaponize them. And now they're part of war. And and something as simple as a 3D printed box given at a hacking convention can cause a big problem in our in the military. Speaker 1 Well, yeah. And they're not just part of war, They are war. We're watching it today. What's that device right there? Looks like a transistor radio. Speaker 2 So this is it pretty much is. It's just partially what it is. It's a hack RF, which is just a it's, it does a ton of things radio related only which you know it well, not just radio, I guess also some some other bands because it's without going into a whole radio nerd conversation, it it's from 1 megahertz to six gigahertz. And I don't know if you know how big of a range that is, but it's huge. It's like the only device that I'm aware of that can do anything like that. But if you look in the receive, you'll see I can look for airplanes, boats, I can even access the intercoms and Acvs and Walgreens and like that. That thing is pretty, pretty wild. I could over some of the older loud speakers at fast food restaurants. I can talk to talk, talk through them and listen to them, you know, in the bars, touch tunes. Speaker 1 To this, to summarize, gives you a read out of all the radio signals around you. Speaker 2 Well, yeah, So it's going to receive or transmit. So you could, you could either receive everything around you or transmit at at a very large range. And that is pre programmed with some third party firmware. It's called the H4M or or the Mayhem firmware. It allows you to do some wild things like harmless. For example, you're at a bar and you see the touch tunes machine that people pay to play music on. That thing can take over the touch tunes, add credits to it, turn it off, change the volume, change the song. You know, just, you know, easy, simple things. Or it could be more malicious where, like I said, hacking a garage door or a car or or. Speaker 1 So, so I just let me, I just want to end on a philosophical question for you. So you've just spent two hours describing like the darkest sides of consumer technology, Internet, garage doors, OK. And I know that all of that technology has brought, I guess at least theoretically brought great benefits to humanity. Whatever. You don't have to lift up your own garage door. I have manual garage doors for whatever, sort of really. Speaker 2 Yes, I do. Wow. You're the first one I've ever met. Really. That's great. I'm glad. Yeah, I do. Yeah. Lock them. Speaker 1 Yeah or just live in a place with no crime. That's true my my solution. But all of that, you know, I can see the upside sit all of that stuff, but they've all all of those consumer technology products have introduced like massive vulnerabilities and control methods like they made us less free also agreed. And why didn't anyone mention that along the way? Like, I remember when they were trying to sell us on like, you know, the dishwasher you can control with your iPhone, of course. And I was like, I'm happy to do it by hand. Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah, I agree with that for sure. Speaker 1 Yeah, the Internet of Things. Like, in the end, are we going to look back on this period and think we were being softened up to like, surrender human autonomy to the machine? Speaker 2 I think it's going to be worse than that because of AI, Yeah, I think because AI and we're, we're trying to get artificial general intelligence where AI has consciousness. And if we do achieve that state at any point. Speaker 1 But my question is, like, how vulnerable is the average homeowner living as he does, surrounded by all these electronic devices that ultimately he doesn't have any control over, but somebody else does? Like, it seems like we put ourselves in quite a spot. Speaker 2 So there yeah, we do and and there is some some modern solutions for modern problems, you know, and and the more. Speaker 1 Because I see the jammer and I just want to set that off in my living room just to like, stop it all. Speaker 2 Yeah, I'll buy 1 and secretly use it. Speaker 1 Against myself. Speaker 2 Yeah, there you go. It's a it's a good way to to make sure you're not getting anything in or out. Yeah, but you know, same with these Faraday bags. But like it stops it so your phone can't get or receive text. Like let's say you're going to a country or you're in a meeting or something and you don't want anything to go in or out. Like you can just bring something like this like like without giving their company. Speaker 1 Oh, I have a million of them. Yeah, OK. I don't know what they are. I don't use them anymore because I think it's useless and I think my phone's already controlled so it's. Speaker 2 Like, well, you've been hacked, you know, you many times, but to avoid being hacked, there's things you can do. And, and one thing that in my experience, because I do it everyday for a living, is know what's out there on yourself. Know what your digital footprint is. Check out pen tester. Sorry for being that guy, but check out Pentester.com because it's worth it. Throw in your e-mail like, you know, see what comes back. Spend, spend a couple dollars to make sure that you're you're protected. Remove as much personal data about yourself as possible, so you don't have to worry about somebody being able to find your address or find your information online. And and then take some of the stuff that I'm showing you. These devices as of right now, criminals are not, you know, it's super sophisticated, but the, these younger kids that they're growing up around computers and they're going to learn about this technology and, and this technology is only going to advance. Just continue to keep yourself in the loop and don't, don't just be stagnant and think that this is never going to happen to you. Doesn't mean that it will, but don't be naive, you know? Speaker 1 Is there any device, electronics device you would not bring inside your home? Speaker 2 I mean, I would, I, I would personally, even if I didn't like the device, I would put it on what's called a virtual land or similar to like a guest network. How it's like kind of segregate separated, you know, I, I, I'm not super concerned about, I even have like a vacuum in my house right now that I know is sending data to a Chinese cloud server. I made a video about it and it went insane because you know, it's China, a cloud server, people like that for whatever reason on the Internet and I still have the thing plugged in. I mean, I'm not worried about it because it's segregated on my network. And even if the thing goes rogue, which it may, it can't access anything else because it's digitally locked in a little sandbox. Speaker 1 So you're not afraid that at one point the CCP is going to order it to vacuum you? Speaker 2 Yeah, I might get my little my baby pinky toe or something, but that's about as bad as it. Speaker 1 Could so there's no device that you would be personally afraid of having in your home. Speaker 2 Maybe your cell phone? Speaker 1 Yeah, I don't think you want my cell phone in your. Speaker 2 House. No, I don't want that one in there. Speaker 1 Literally, Ryan, thank you for all of this. I'm going to be thinking about it for the next week every the second I wake up in the morning that was really dark. I hope somebody says something about those groups. Speaker 2 I'm sorry and I'm working as hard as I possibly can to do that and I and I appreciate you letting me share that message on your platform because it means the world to me more than even putting words. Speaker 1 Thank you. Thank you for doing this. Thank you.