The Emo Dollar

[Music] Hi! Sorry, that would be a bit loud and scary. Hello! Good welcome back to my podcast where we try to cue the hiccups. It's gonna be a wake, isn't it? I love being awake in a life. Hello, James. How are you? What's up? What's up? I'm Brian, praise Dionysus. Praise him. Oh my god. What do he look like? Dionysus. Oh, she. No, I think it's a man. It's he. It's he. What I think Dionysus looks like. Yeah. I don't know. There's so many, I don't know, depictions of him in art. I don't have a solid idea of what he looks like in my head. There was a period of time where I inexplicably cast him as like, "Is it a, what's the one where it's like goat feet and he plays the flute?" Oh, that's like a pan. Isn't it? No, pan flute. It's a pan. But it doesn't play a pan flute, does he? This character, this creature? Oh, is this like a specific character or like a brilliant art? It's like a type of creature. It's like a centaur. I think it's a pan. Uh. (laughs) Born. Born us? No. Because Mr. Tumnus was a born. I am thinking of Mr. Tumnus. Oh my god. You mean that guy with the, that guy? I don't know anymore. What do you think Dionysus looks like? Well, I play video games and I play Hades, which is a great 2D, uh, little smash them up a game. Yeah. I feel like whoever designed this game is a, is just a really horny, horny gay guy. Thank you. Every character is like drawn as like a big, titty, like, like, anime, hen-ty-boy. Oh, actually. Okay. But like, uh, so I think Dionysus and that is like just some sort of like drunk twink. Like, that's what I imagine Dionysus as. A drunk twink. That's right. That's right. The premise thing. Yeah. Because I'm definitely still a twink. No one suggests otherwise. No one ever mentions you tragically clinging to this tidal at all. I talk about that when I'm sad and drunk. About your twinkness fading. No, but yes, this has gotten, this is something that I don't know. No, no, no, no. It's great to see you. No, I'm proudly not a twink. What are you now? I have, uh, ascended from the need to label. Oh wow, he's transcended? That's not say that. What? Saying transcended. Because it makes you sound trans. Transition. You know, I'm not transitioning. Not that I think that's a bad thing. Sorry, you're no longer a twink now, you're trans. This is spiraled into something that I didn't think this conversation would be. Transpermis. The termness is a form. Yeah. How was your wings? (laughs) Rated out of five. Out of five. Um, my week out of five. Let's give it a, uh, 72 and a half. Oh. 72 and a half out of five stars. Uh, it's been okay. What's happened? I last night I got home at four o'clock in the morning. Um, 'cause of coolness. Yeah, what? It's actually that thing. What? I went to, um, with beautiful Canadian man and a couple of other people. We went sort of like out and then ended up at a sports bar because the F.A. Cup was happening. I literally, all Australia. Soccer. Soccer. So I only remember that it was called the F.A. Cup because if you read it, it looks kind of like fuck up. (laughs) Yeah, we went to this sports bar. And I'm pretty sure they sorted us into different rooms based on what team we were going for so that there wouldn't be any fights. And so that people could be openly supportive of the teams they were into. Oh my god. Which I thought was really sweet. No. You were just toxic. No, no. You're just surrounded by people that are into the same thing. Sure. No, yeah. That's exciting. Oh, but when you said to stop fights. Well, that's what I was seeing. Yeah. But that's what they were like, what team are you going for? And then I just said Liverpool because I recently been told by an Irish person that that was a team that was playing. I think it's actually perhaps Liverpool. Liverpool. Liverpool. Yeah, so that happened. So that was a sweet time. It's being a sport, sorry to interrupt, but I was waiting for a tram. I've got like a Lakers jacket that I wear because I like the colours. Don't know anything about the team. I was sitting at the front of this bar waiting for a tram. And the owner of the bar, it wasn't open just yet. He popped his head out and he just sort of said, how do you feel about it? They went recently. Oh. And I was sort of like, what? He was like, Lakers, and we ended up having this conversation. I was like, oh, I actually don't care about sport. And he was just sort of like, oh, good, because if you did, you'd be really upset about Lakers. So apparently Lakers are not doing well, Jake. I'm a good poor Lakers. Oh, thank God you're buying the merchandise. Great. People should just be walking around wearing conversation pieces. Yeah. Let people in. I mean, that's what you do. You're sure it's always say something. Did they do? Yeah. No, and then you have one that says, what is it, camp? Yeah. Slubby seconds. Slubby, what is that one? Oh, eating out two sloppy seconds. That's a pretty controversial. That's what all I want to do is talk about the eating out franchise all the time. We don't do that today. No, I know. We don't. We don't. We don't. No, no, no. No, no, no. If you want to talk to Jake. Chances are, ask about eating out. Just ask. And he'll talk for a while. The franchise. Yeah, yes, of course. Otherwise, otherwise, to round out my week summary, I would say I accidentally had this black-and-white film festival, which was just two movies. So I saw Frances Ha, I finally watched that Greta Gerwig know a bound-back movie. No. It was really great. It was fantastic. It was just like, what is it? So it was like you just got Greta Gerwig and she has a good female friend and their friendships because it all falls apart a bit and is just kind of like her digging around New York City dealing with being 27 years old and the answer. But it was, yeah, it was wonderful and then black-and-white. And then the next day, I accidentally watched another black-and-white movie, but at the other end of my passion spectrum. Like is this in the cinema or at home? Oh, no. In my bedroom. And yeah, I just, for a while, I've been intending to watch this movie called I Love You Daddy. So it's a Louis C.K. movie. And it was scheduled to be released around the time that he got accused of all the things he got accused of. And so for that reason, they kind of like quashed any of the enthusiasm with which they promoted the movie. Because the content of the film is lit, I could not get through. I think I got maybe half an hour in and it was unbearable. Because the premise of it seems to be, it's Louis C.K. playing this rich TV writer or something. And he's got this daughter playing like Chloe Grace Moritz. I don't know who anyone is. God, I cannot stand Chloe Grace Moritz. She's just like, she's just thick hair and lip muscles. I can't stand her. I cannot stand her. So she's down to like a great movie. Oh my God. And she's just walking around being this entitled girl that requests things from her rich father. And there's this scene where Rose Byrne invites the two of them to this party where fancy people are going to be. And one of the people there is this older person, this older man who's meant to be kind of like a Roman Polanski, who the Ellen kind of situation. And it's like everyone's like, he's a pedophile. Haven't you heard he's a pedophile? But then there's this scene in the garden where the pedophile man is talking to Chloe Grace Moritz. And he's like, I think you're great. And if I heard rumors about you being bad, I wouldn't believe them because I've met you today. And it seemed great. And the writers in this movie was unforgivable. It was like, is it trying to be like, pedophiles aren't so bad? I don't know where it was going. It's seen, it really seemed as if it was Louis CK trying to do his own version of Man Hatten, which is that one where Woody Allen plays this like 45 year old man who's like digging the 17 year old girl and the plot. I haven't seen it, but it seems like the plot of it is the 17 year old girl being like, fuck, I love you so much. You are so hot. And you're so interesting. And he's like, I'll come out. I'm just a little guy. Get back up. I'm out. I'm out. Oh, Woody Allen life to live. I've got big glasses, I think. Yeah. Yeah, no, so it was I could not get through it. And yeah, no, and also Chloe Gressmerez is in a similar ballpark for me with like Jennifer Lawrence. I just cannot watch them do anything. Oh my god, Jennifer Lawrence, I can't, yeah, look, we can't get into this because I know a lot of people love Jennifer Lawrence, but fuck she annoys me. But she falls down all the time. Oh, that's the thing. It's like, I just can't, that Louis CK film putting a black and white filter over that to make it seem arty. It seems so lame. Sure. I can work in France is half of the reasons that it worked, but I think it was just additionally reprehensible, obviously, just like contextually, because as with the way that Manhattan kind of did, and people obviously talk about the way that the media shapes their perspective on things, and that's why when we look back on stuff, this is such a pedestrian thing to say. Too fast. Too fast. Too fast. But like, you look back on stuff and you see the things that used to be normal and used to be part of just like the zeitgeist and now collective opinions about things, and you really see the way that the stories, which is again, why stories are so important, by the stories that we tell and we show people what's okay and what we think about things and the way that reality can be. You know, and that's how we internalize the idea of how the world should function. But yeah, the idea of people using as Woody Allen potentially did, not that I don't know their intentions, but like you look at patents, and it's like the way that Woody Allen seems to have tried to normalize the idea of a 17 year old girl, a humping old man, and then Louis CK is trying to instigate this conversation surrounding like the great areas of consent and sexual misconduct through cinema. And I don't know. It's just like a very strange genre of film. It's like predator normalization narrative. But surprise the film came out at all. Well it barely did. That's why no one's heard of it. Because I love you daddy. I love you daddy. You want a disgusting name for a movie. Like that's gay porn. That's a gay porn. I wish. Oh, my week. Thanks for asking. Did you have anything important about your week? Did you want to add up? I think that was the crux of it. Because he said 72 and a half, right? I did, but yes. Yes. No, I think that's fine. I'll chime in if I think of anything that I missed. Oh good. Looking forward to it. Is it looking forward to it or looking forwards to it? Because why would you say forwards? Because I've heard people say like looking forwards to it. I think you should stop talking to those people. Because you become a combination of the five people you hang around with the most and if some of them don't know how to speak English, it could wear away at your already flimsy grasp. On the English vernacular. I know words. Yeah. And lots of words. I can read. I love to read. What have you read? What have you read? What was that? You sent me that clip from. The Wendy show? The Wendy Williams show? Oh yeah, and it's like, what's he saying? When she's accusing, she doesn't think Suzanne's read a book. Get out! Why'd it be red? Why'd it be red? Pretty good. And Suzanne gets really defensive. Did you can't name a book? Oh my god. I want Suzanne's jobs so bad. She just like stands on the side, chooses gum really obnoxiously and just gets buffeted by insults from Wendy Williams. That's what you do most of the time anyway, except the insults are from everyone else. It's just the general public. You're rolling a few, set me. Yuck! Shut up! Shut up! I'm doing my best. I'm doing my gum. Okay, so my week, you're with. How's your week been? Oh Jake, thank you for asking. It's been on and off, it's been up and down. It's been a bit of a rollercoaster actually this week. Oh great. Because what did I do? So Monday, I saw Dr. Strange this week on the bus. Yeah. What was he wearing? His weird cape thing and his strange third eye he apparently has. So I saw Dr. Strange multiple as madness, weird movie. Okay. I'm a self-professed Marvel fanatic. I love the movies, I love it all. I'm not a huge comic book fan but I watch all the videos that break them down because I'm a nerd. And you can't read. And I can't read and I need someone to talk them at me. So I went and saw that movie. Sam Rainey has not moved on since the 2000s. Sam Rainey the director who directed the original Spider-Man movies was turning him a quiet. So it's still very much that sort of like early 2000s shots. The dialogue was fucking abysmal, it was just all strange. But I still had a good time because it was just a lot of fun crossover shit. So that was fun. I don't want to get into that because this is not what we talked about on the show. But if we're talking multiverse, did you prefer everything everywhere all at once? I prefer everything everywhere all at once. Oh absolutely, I still think that's a far superior movie in many ways. Two most movies is my favorite movie. And my second favorite multiverse movie is Spider-Man No Way Home. And so for multiverse of madness to not be in my top two multiverse movies is a real shame to the multiverse movie. You know? Again, as you just said, this is not a multiverse podcast yet. Do you have a clear understanding? And you're welcome to just say no. Go on. A clear understanding as to why, like I get the whole thing of like different choices get made. There's a different version of you out there. Yeah. Lots of different types every time something happens that doesn't happen. Yeah. I don't understand why a decision creates another universe. Like the, because so different movies and different shows have their different interpretations. What the multiverse is. Yeah. So in everything everywhere all at once, it is very much like your choices change what happens in the universe. But I think that the part that confuses me is like the decisions that I make, I was never going to make the other decision. What do you mean? That's why I made this decision. Yes. Like it's not as if, like it's even when they use the coin flip analogy. It's like the moment that you flip the coin, it's determined which side of the coin is going to land on. Yeah. It's not as if it comes up heads and tails in different universes because the physics determines which side of coin is going to land on. Yeah. The way I think about it is, if the multiverse exists every single universe in that multiverse, you could go to the next one over and it would be, in my head, this is how I think about it. That universe would be exactly the same atom for atom as this universe except for one atom. Okay. It's slightly different. So if you take that logic and you cycle through the infinite amount of universes out there, you will eventually get to one where the atomic structure of that coin and hand is different in such a way that the flip lands the other way up. Oh, okay. So I'm just realizing, okay. So these universes, they exist from the initial starting point of view. Exactly. They are born at the juncture of the decision. Well, that's the thing. In everything everywhere all at once, it seems to be that they are very much, it's a bit more of a leeway with the choices change what happens and it's all about your fate and your destiny or what you want to do. And that's what determines how the universe happens, but that goes all the way back to everyone. Yeah. In Marvel, it seems to be, and what I think a multiverse would be, is very much that sort of atomic structure, where every single iteration of a universe exists simply because it has to. Also, like at the big bang, a bunch of universes were created at once. Yeah, whatever that was, all these universes burst into existence at the same time. Right. Okay. That's more sense. And then there's also the logic where for this universe to exist, every other universe has to exist from this universe's perspective. You know, the number infinite isn't enough to describe just how many of these multiverse are, which is why you can sort of like have a bunch of kept fan favorite characters brought into a scene and have some fun with them and do away with them, I suppose. So the multiverse is why Toby McGuire is in movies again. Exactly. (laughs) Anywho, so my week, Fan Out Flynn has COVID. So Flynn all. (screams) Who are you talking about? My boyfriend Flynn. Your boyfriend Flynn. James is a boyfriend. Tell all the newspapers. Okay, so it's our anniversary next week. Your anniversary of what? Our first date. Your first date. Yes. Oh great. Where did you go for our first date? Yes. I went to. Not to cry. I forgot. So defences. Well, we went to fucking. Labyrinth Vane? Tyranny of distance? Tyranny of distance! Oh, okay. It was very nerve-wracking. We went in. It was a good time. And the rest is herstery. Oh! Oh! Great. So he's got COVID. He's got COVID. Is the end of your story. Yes, the end of my story. No, he got COVID. I also image your romantic story. Romantic story. You're going to be claimed by this. Yes, COVID is going to take him. He's a weak little body. No, he's going to be a very strong, molly, stupid bastard. So I had to take two days off to get PCR tested and make sure I don't have COVID. I don't have COVID. Fantastic. Yeah. How many stars? Oh, Jesus. Fuck, I'm going to say like. 100. 100 stars? 100 stars. Is that a name of a Natalie Bessingthweight album? Or is that a thousand stars? I think it's some number of stars. So number of stars. Okay, great. A million. One trillion stars. Thank you, Dr. Evil. Do you want to. We'll talk about theater now. Let's. Okay. [Music] Hi, Jake. Hello, James. Do you know any girls? Do I know any girls? Um, let me think what. Yes. Yes. [Laughter] Yes. I know girls. Do you know any girls from the country? Which one? Any country. Oh, you mean like the rural country? Yeah, the country. The Taylor is pretty country. I know some people. Do you know any girls from the North country, Jake? I. Yes. I have a pal from North Queensland. The Couts. Yeah? Well, then that answers all my questions. And how do you. If you asked for craft beers in North Queensland, they laugh at you. Like you're some city city city that doesn't surprise me. The Queensland doesn't seem like the place we should go. I'm scared of crocodiles. I'm scared of being gay-bashed. Great. So two reasons not to go to Queensland. We've got a homophobic crocodile. I do you're like you're like consumable. I don't what I don't have to sit down and watch it I love the opening with the little girl running around that little station. Oh my god when she's looking at the windry And it's just like I'm mergers. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh my god. Oh my god But yeah, I'm a god. That leaves a fucking good. Just in the way that like it keeps doing stuff like you think it's kind of like Rapping up and then you get moments like oh my god There's two makes is Ruby Rose gonna survive this one and then there's the part where the shack goes to like the beach with all the Forest in it. Yes, if I were riding a shark movie at absolutely absolutely rooting for it to happen You see my knowing because he's like eating an ice cream cone in the water and it's like you've got too much I'm sorry Taken away. Yes, you need to be punished so go from the North country No, Meg's in this summer fray. Not much exciting in the show. Oh god. Okay girl from the North country Girl from the North country is it a girl from the North country? Oh, I'm a girl from the North. Okay, great So I'm gonna go in and say cast phenomenal. I mean it's got Lisa McKeon. Lisa McKeon. Lisa McKeon was in it. Oh my god Yeah, I don't know when tell me that because I don't think anyone cares about you I was no one coming to me directly No, look as I would have been more interested in seeing this and you Lisa McKeon. Lisa McKeon was the the prodigal proper I don't know if she was I'll get into it. Okay, um and Grant pyro was also with this who I love second time I've seen Grant pyro play a reverent. I will say you saw him in hand to God. Okay at The national theater okay, and it's all like a puppet show about like this evil sock puppet that possesses The people using it very funny show. Okay great show and Grant Grant was great in that and he was great This so was Lisa McKeon like the entire cast is phenomenal and the band is one of those shows where Band is fully on stage and a lot of the cast members play instruments in the band Yeah, so from that point of view phenomenal love like I feel and I I'm not a Bob Dylan fan And this is a jukebox musical based off of Bob Dylan's music. Mm-hmm. It's directed by economic person I wish I was a Bob Dylan fan. I really wish I was because by the end of the show there were people around me in tears Like there were people like really genuinely moved Really clearly loving it and enjoying it like they were at a great time. Mm-hmm. I just did not enjoy this show The writing I'm so sorry. I'm sorry. I can't do it I can't do it. What percentage of the songs were you familiar with like one of them? Oh God I think I'm this is entirely on me I just have not been familiar with Bob Dylan's music, I just wanted to see it. Well a couple of people have said that there's a surprising lack of like he's better known songs in it. Well I thought I would recognize one or two of them. There was a fucking Rolling Stone. Okay. Rolling Stone was in it. Is that? Baba Razzar. Rolling Stone. No, no, I'm like a Rolling Stone. No. Oh yeah, yeah. Tell me how does it feel? That one. Okay. Sure. So I'm analyzing this stuff. I was just hoping it was the song from the end of Eulogy. But it's not. We've spoken about jukebox musicals on this podcast a few times. I do not like them as a general rule. A powerful jacket little pill, a fantastic. That's an exception to the rule. Exception to the rule where the, he's the difference. Mostly it still had this problem, but mostly jacket little pill. The plot made sense and the songs made sense in the plot. Okay. But they all married up nicely. This was like eight or nine separate plots, whoo, like fighting each other on stage to have the time to get these songs into the show, which then didn't even really make much sense anyway. And none of the plots were fleshed out enough for me to remember any of the characters' names. Okay. So this is the show set in like Missouri I think during the Great Depression. Now you know my opinions on small American towns. You love them. Fuck they're annoying. As a setting. As a setting. Yes, as a setting. Like, yeah, yeah. And to take that concept and set it in the Great Depression, yeah, he's of no interest to me. But it's an infinitely upbeat time. Ah. Yes, we're in for fun. But it was one of those shows where like, you're this guy who's coming to town and you're a stranger. We don't know. And also you're two people that have come into town with a son that's sort of like Lenny from of Mice and Men. I guess that's your thing. And also you're a Reverend that's coming to town with this guy who's trying to blackmail this person for this reason. And you're the doctor who's derating the story. I said it was just a lot of that was like less than half of the storylines going on. Oh God. Too many. Too many. In the Titanic problem. It's the, I have not seen Titanic. Titanic. Titanic the musical. There's just too many people introduced towards the stop. And then it's like, who are these people? Sure. And then that guy doing the little, like, deep, deep, deep, that did is great. But everyone else is like, I'm sorry, will you sisters? I can't remember. And then they all die. This is the thing that everyone had some sort of relation to each other. And you had to sort of keep, it was like watching a really, really boring version of Game of Thrones political intrigue. It was like, I need to keep track of you are sleeping with this person. And you know that this person, and there was this weird moment where like one character whose name I don't remember or care about. He's the son of like, I guess the main character who's like, also, so the main character I suppose is this man who owns a bar during the Great Depression, but it's not doing so well. And there's a woman who lives in the attic that he sort of is having an affair with because his wife is mentally unwell and I think she's meant to be the girl from the North country. There were like several girls that could have been from the North country. Oh, so it's the cursed child. It's the cursed child effect. Who is the cursed child? I don't know if I'm in North country. No, I don't know. I guess it's meant to be her because she seems to have sort of like the biggest arc. Wait, wait, wait. So is the North country the attic? The North country. Tell me. Tell me. Yeah. Oh, is it the man? Is he the protagonist or is there isn't one? It's that much of an ensemble. It was added as he's like the linchpin they all sort of hang they all sort of relate to because he runs the pub where they all sort of come to at some point. Great setting for a music man. Great setting. This was the sort of musical. I'll get back to the plot. This was the sort of musical where they'd be like it felt like it was an incredible naturalist play. Like it was a naturalist piece. Like everything was very weird in the kitchen. You need to have real water. He's the real chicken stew. It was all of this. Oh my god. They had real stew. Well, they had something in the slot that looked like chicken stew. Oh my god. And it was like the acting was incredible. The monologues, the scenes, they all had incredible bits like the chemistry between the actors was great. And then all of this would be interrupted by it is time for us to now turn to a microphone and sing this Bob Dylan song in a semi-circle. Every time it would be like one guy comes up to a microphone and then this like six women would circle around this other microphone and they were just sing a boring song. Oh. Sort of like evoked by the emotion of the story being told. I suppose it was meant to be. I didn't feel like it. And the songs themselves wouldn't progress the plot at all. It would be like an expression of an energy. The expression of an energy, I think there was like one on. No, I can't think of one time that it actually progressed the plot. It was always like, I'm a man and I'm here in the country. Like, okay. Cool. Cool. Like, I say more than half of the time, more than half the songs were just people standing around microphones. And that just irked me so much. Like, choreograph something. Do something. Sure. But there was one time two microphones were on stage. And this like lead, one of the lead characters. Can't remember his name. Don't know who he was. He sings like, I'm singing this song and then he like dances across the stage just dead in front of the other microphone and singing the melody. Oh yeah. Fuck. Oh yeah. I guess in though. Jesus. There were like maybe three numbers that I was like, oh it is a musical. Like Rolling Stone was one of them Lisa McEwne, like sort of rocking out with her sonny's to Rolling Stone. Was a wonderful bit. Yeah. The opening of Act 2. This is what I was going to talk about. And like there was another number. Another scene. This isn't a musical number. A scene where all the cast is on stage and they're all in the bar and they're all having like, it's like Thanksgiving or a Christmas lunch. And they're all talking and having a fun time. And it was watching it was like, where has this energy been the entire time? You have an entire cast to work with. And they were all like there. And it was just so clear that they were all so wonderful before. It was such wonderful performers. But then again it just stopped for them to sing this boring song. Which people seemed to like but I was just like, I would rather see this as a play. I want to cut out the Bob Dylan part of it entirely. Because then it would have given all the characters time to flesh out and I would actually care about them. Yeah. Oh I'm getting angry. Oh sure. Now that makes sense. No that sounds frustrating. Really frustrating. And every character. Oh my god. Every character had a vicious secret they were keeping. But it was one of those secrets where they would rather than sort of alluding to it through the narrative. They would just mention that they had a big secret and then not talk about it. That's dramatic tension. Oh fuck say three times I think it happened. Like one person was, she can't remember the lines. I can't remember what she said but it was something to the effect of, oh but my baby if I, no I can't tell you that. And that was it. Then we all just were like, oh now we know that she has something weird with her baby. Okay and another one where he was sort of like, if I told you about, no I can't. So it's just like every single one of them was just sort of like talking about their vicious secrets for so long. Oh my. And then at the end of the musical it was sort of like, and my secret was this all along. Oh. Okay. Okay. Okay. Maybe was a sheep from the get-go. I haven't even been able to talk about half the characters because, um, no Jesus I hate of this show. I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. I'm sorry. I hated the writing. I hated the writing. What did you think of the, because literally all of the experience of this show was the performance I forget her name but I think either the show or she, I think she won an Olivia award for her performance and she sings tight connection to my heart. I don't know what that song is. I was only brought to, it was only a thing that I became aware of because I've just watched every piece of footage of Andrew Scott on the internet and he recommended to Simon Stevens that he check out this version of "Tack Connection to My Heart" sung by this woman but you did not even imprint upon you. There was not a single song that left an imprint. The only two that did were the ones that felt like musical numbers. Like the Rolling Stone? Only because and this is another thing, it was so dark. Quack, quack, quack, quack, thank you. So darkly lit. Like every scene was sort of like you were struggling to see and then every, like I think three songs they raised the lights for the musical number and it was like, oh my god, my eyes, I can't see anymore. He was to the point where I was like, I can't tell who's who. And then at the end, this is what I mean by it should have been a play. It just ends with the four of the, I guess the main family around a table just eating and like the lights slowly fading as they just, you can just hear the spoons and the fork scrape on the plates as they're eating. Really powerful, beautiful moment having watched the play. But then at the end they all come on to do their bows and there were like five people that I don't remember doing anything to do. I don't remember them seeing, doing anything individual. I don't remember them having a moment. I don't remember them doing a single thing. I'm like, if you could pick any artist to have a jukebox musical that doesn't currently, what would it be? Who would it be? With the knowledge that their songs would then have to be transcribed into a coherent story that doesn't take a thousand different people to tell. Sure. Well, instead of thinking of a good smart answer, I will say something that's popped, it's almost like every two years, something pops into my head and it's like, they're actually going to jukebox musical. I think a Maroon 5 jukebox musical could really take the world by storm. Oh yeah. You know, because they're obviously, they're mainstream, but they obviously know I'm really taking them very seriously, but they're not quite a joke yet. But I think it could really elevate what they've done, because I think Adam Levine's voice does great on some people. But if you put his, like, their songs in the mouths of musical theater people and you get someone to cleverly arrange the music, I think you could take the world by storm. I think you could take people on an interesting journey. That's such a good answer. And they do have a lot of songs. You could pull a lot from that. There's so many songs. And a lot of them aren't bad. Yeah. No, I like Maroon 5. Yeah, if I'm in the right headspace, I can listen to Just Maroon 5 for like an afternoon. That is weird. It is weird. Okay, that's a good answer. Thank you. What's your answer? My answer, come, if I didn't have an answer, prepare for this. I knew I was going to ask this question. I would want to see, like, I think I'm coloured by the fact that my chemical romance just released a new song out of nowhere. And nobody is coping, including me. Of course. I think a my chemical romance musical would rock. - Sure. - And also, they've got stories. They've got stories already built into the song so that you can weave very easily into a show. - How would it, just because I'm not super well versed in the emo world? How do you, what are integral ways that it would differ? It's imaginary jukebox music from American idiot. - Then that did pop into my head. I think they're different styles of music. The green days more punk. - Okay. - And I think in my head, it's elevated with strings, Jake. - Ooh. - I can see strings. I can see really beautiful elevated versions of the songs. And I think, like, you'd bring in the emo dollar. - I actually now think about that. I think that'll be great. Joe, they should do that. I'd go to that. - I'd go to that. - Okay. - Okay, let's go to that together. - All right, all right. - Do I have anything else to say about the girl from North Country? I'm really sorry anyone, if anyone's listening who liked that show. And like I say, I wish, I really wish I was a Bob Dylan fan because then I really, I could have enjoyed this show. - I don't think it's an attack that it was really for Bob Dylan fans. - And they fucking loved it. Like people are screaming about the show. And I'm really glad that it's getting the praise that it comes out obviously, like, warrants. - That's good. It's a shame that I didn't put you in, which I feel like sometimes, I don't know. I guess some people's opinion would be, Duke Box musicals are a really great access point for people to find the music of an artist that they're not that familiar with. Like Jersey Boys certainly did that for me in terms of making me more familiar with the work of a group of people that I didn't even realize existed. - And Jack a little builder, that for me was a lot of a star in the show. - Sure. - I never listened to much about music. - Yeah, so it's a shame. - I think you would have clicked, you would have enjoyed. Are you a Bob Dylan fan? - No, I don't think so. - No, I think you would have enjoyed it more though, 'cause you're more drawn to that sort of wistful romantic experience. They think this story does, there's elements of it in the myriad of stories. - Sure. - That it does do quite well. I think I think you could have clicked about a bit more. I don't know. - Okay. - I'm just, yeah, sad people sitting in a poorly lit bar sounds like heaven to me. - Exactly, exactly. It's very that vibe. - Cast members, A+, go over the North country. If you wanna see Lisa McEun. - Lisa McEun. (upbeat music) - Sushi Trab. (laughing) - Just so everyone knows what just happened. I hit the record button. James frantically tried to say sushi train. Accidentally said sushi Trab. 'Cause I was gonna say sushi up as well. Oh no. - James, hi. - Hello. - Jay, how's it going? - So good, thank you for asking. We saw a show, Finn and Lucky. - A show about me. - Yeah, yeah. - By Finn and Lucky. - Yes. - Pretty and lovely. - I have been so too. Yeah, what was your experience like? Paint me a picture. - Well, the reason I said the word sushi Trab. - Oh, that's right. - Yes, it was because beforehand, we had to get some sushi train of the sushi hub, which is why I said sushi Trab. - Sushi Trab. - Combination of the two. - Yeah. - Sat down of the sushi train. - Yes. - And had sushi. - I love a sushi train. I'm sorry. I just do to get this up a chair. - No, that's fine. I was assuming that you would have a story about this, given you started talking so enthusiastically. - No, I genuinely don't. I just love sushi train so much. - I went to the sushi train all the time and I was at break at work. And I used to work at the theaters. - Sure. - And we go to that sushi train. Sit down, have like a 15 minute. And you were worried we wouldn't have time to go to the sushi train. - I was worried. - You were worried. We had like 20 minutes to sit and eat. - Yeah, plenty of time in a sushi train, baby. - This is an incredible story about a sushi train. - I can move on immediately. I'm sorry, I just want to let the people know that the sushi train, sushi hub on Swanson Street, go support that business. - Yeah, yeah, they seem to really be struggling. - They really need it. - Yeah, yeah. But then we went to see the show. We went to the Butterfly Club. - Yes. - And we popped. It was thronging with people. - Very thronging. - It was a Monday. - Yeah. So we went in, everyone seemed to know each other, which is always a terrifying foyer to walk into. Like, Jake, did you know anyone in that foyer? - A few people, yeah, like I ran into Haley. Yeah, a few people. - Not blonde Haley, who had spoken about this podcast, they were hanging out together. - No, 'cause I think it was, like, at least this evening, I think it was a lot of VCA people that were there. - Yes. - Because, I don't know. I guess because Finn and Locky, I don't know them, but they're the sort of, you know how you have those people that you see on Instagram quite constantly for some reason. - Yes. - And they seem lovely. - Yes, on there. - Purely, they're cyber presence. - And that's always a good presence to go by. - Yeah, and based on the people that seem to associate with them. - 'Cause they went to VCA, right? - I believe so. - Yeah, because it's all hearsay. - It's all algorithms teaching me about these men. - Yeah, so I think, I don't know, anyway. Yeah, so a butterfly club went inside, set the fuck down, had to very tactically choose our seats. - But it was, yeah. - But it was, I'm still, you know, just still sort of like vibrating with anxiety about my recent butterfly club experiences, having been, you know, littered with audience participation threats. - Yeah, true, true, true. - Which this show was not devoid of. - At, sure, sure. But this was like a level with which I was relatively, like, 'cause it was comfortable. - 'Cause as you say, we tactically chose our seat. - We did. - But that's never a sure thing. - No, no. - Famously not. - They, you know, the villainous ones, they target the people who are into hiding. - Which is such a mean thing to do. They sat there for a reason. - Absolutely. - But, but though, I do understand, there is like this little segment of my mind that imagines to be the sort of artist that wants audience participants. And part of me is like, I fight, and maybe this is a weird prejudice inside of me. If you are the sort of person to position yourself at the front of an audience bank because you want to be involved in the show. - Or you are not the sort of person I would want to be involved in my show. - Oh, exactly. - I've seen that we would not be friends. We would not get along. And I do not want to platform you because I feel like you would be irritated. - I go with like the inner, the aisle seat of the third row, I think is the sort of region I would go if I was gonna drag people up or anything. - Yeah, aisle seat is good because they know one is getting trampled. They're easily yanked up. - Yep. - The best outcomes I find is when, and this is colored by a number of things, but when someone yanks someone out of an audience, the best outcome is always like a stand-offish hot guy. Because he has the confidence of a hot guy, but he doesn't have the obnoxiousness of a theater person. - That's a result. - Do whatever you tell him to do. He'll have the swagger of a handsome man and you get to look at a beautiful person. (laughing) - And he'll have insights into the taste, theatrical. - Taste. - Yes. - Man, that's just my experience of seeing people yanked on to stage. They're the ones whose input I value most. - I wanna hear about your experience of seeing people yanked on stage. - Oh my God. - Oh, hi. - Hi. - Welcome to sexy podcast. (laughing) - She's a sexy as podcast and I love podville. (laughing) - Welcome to Publ now. (laughing) - Okay, we're lucky. - Yeah, getting lucky. - A show about me. - It's a sketch show. - It's a sketch comedy show. - Is it saying a sketch show or a sketch show? - I'm saying both because I'm not sure which one is the right term. - Oh sure. I think sketch comedy, it's a sketch show. Because it's made up of skits. - Is it made of skits or sketches? - Both. - It's made of both. - Isn't it a skit? - Do you have a clear understanding of what the difference is? - No. - Great. - Do you? - I know that SNL is a sketch show and they get really annoyed if you call it a skit show. - It's a bit defensive about it. - Okay. - It's like an understanding in the industry. - Is skit maybe more off the cuff? - Maybe. - So like any improv group would be doing skits? - That actually makes more sense because I think I've heard improv groups describing the things as skits. - Okay. - Maybe we've cracked it. - Maybe a sketch. - It was a sketch show. - Right. - Of Finn and Lucky. - Right. - Doing sketch comedy. What is your experience with sketch comedy? - Sketch comedy. - Um. - Um. - Comedy. - Comedy. - Mildly traumatic. - Do you primarily-- - Of course. - Do you primarily to my relationships with the people that creating the works? - Uh-huh. - It's not a genre that I gravitate towards. - It's not your sort of thing, is it? - It's not. - And that's not me thinking that it's like a bad type of theater. I just find that my brain's not wired in a way to appreciate it to be extent that a lot of people seem to. It seems like it's a mainstream taste that I think is definitely become more popular in the last decade, which is great for those types of performers. But it's a flavor of the time that I am just left out of. - Totally, okay. - It's like, I don't know, in some ways, it's similar to the Marvel universe. I don't know how to participate and I don't want to. - That's great enough, but you're happy that people like it. - Of course. - You seem-- - It's a force for good. - You seem angry that people like the Marvel movies, though. - I don't know, literally, I'm only angry about the Marvel movies, and I'm telling this-- - I'm telling this-- - Because they distract good actors and get them trapped in the superhero's abyss. - But they're really well written movies. - I don't care. - No, no. - Yes, they are. - The fact that they have Catherine Hahn, I have this nightmare-- - Catherine Hahn's in a TV show coming up soon. - Oh my god. - The House of Harkness. - Oh, if she plays an evil witch, is there some Marvel things? - Marvel, then. - No, that's the thing. If they were like, if this, if the way that history unraveled happened in a slightly different sequence of events, there could have been a world where Catherine Hahn never made Mrs. Fletcher one of the best TV shows ever made. - Sure. - And that devastates me. And it's very likely that something similar is actually happening to Elizabeth Olsen. You know, maybe she's meant to be an amazing television, but instead she's WandaVision. - You're never-- WandaVision, okay, first of all, WandaVision is an incredibly well written show. - Yes. - For Dweebs? - No, no, no, it deals with grief and emotional loss and all of that. - And if she made a TV show about those exact things, but she wasn't a sorceress, I don't know which is. - Scarlet Witch. - A Scarlet Witch that was a camping robot man. If she were just gonna show-- - A synthetic humanoid life form. - James, moving on from-- - Anyway, so, thin and lucky. - We're talking about sketch comedy. - He's a sketch comedy. - Are you happy to-- Unless you wanna talk about sketch comedy. - No, I was just wondering if there was something else we were gonna say about that before we got signed to act by Catherine Hahn and Elizabeth Oll. - Well, you can always come back to it if you think about it. - Yeah, that's true. - So the show starts-- - It does. - And Finn comes out. - Yes. - And starts opening with what feels like a very conventional charming standup. - And it's nice. - I see nothing about the show going in, so I was fully prepared for it to just be fit on stage. - Shubbly. - Yes. - Again, full blown stranger, but yeah, he seemed nice. - Mm-hmm. - And then-- - And then-- - But wait a minute. - He's talking about how it's his show, he's talking about how it's gonna be a good night, and then the long comes, lucky. - Here he comes. - Second screen. - I hope he's some handsome, lucky. - And his gorgeous tattoos. - I'm obsessed. - Yeah. - Along he comes out, flumps through and starts the same sort of monologue and they do this fun overlapping bit of like, they're both there to do their show. They come to terms, they reconcile. - Yep. - They're ready to do their show together. Beautiful beautiful great setup great premise and lovely rapport lovely report I was gonna say watching this show was sort of like watching they had the sort of chemistry and rapport that it just felt like watching your mates Do a really funny show sure which was really nice and very impressive considering. I don't know who these people are Yeah, I don't know any who they are, but I just felt very like this is nice. It felt wholesome and nice That's good. It felt nice because even hearing you describe that I think oh the thought of seeing two people get on stage Like I think there's whether or not this is happening to me recently or it's just happened in the past a number of times And it's so traumatizing that it just feels like it was recent But the idea of people getting put on stage doing comedy especially this type of what seems like very personal comedy Mm-hmm and someone's up there just doing sort of a thing Maybe this just sounds like really harsh criticism loaded with too many words. No, but if it seems like it's just a person That someone told was funny. Yep, and they're on stage doing it. Yes If it just seems like it's the funny friend in a dull friend group. Yes, it just has had the confidence to which we've seen a lot of those oh my oh yeah Yeah, no no this wasn't that no because as you say it did feel like two of your friends doing it like a show Which is a thing a really good skill that we don't know that we don't know them at all. Yes Yeah, it wasn't the feeling of like oh these two who don't these people to get microphones? It's really good and like with all sketch bits there were bits that didn't make me laugh and there were these Like there's always going to be bits sure but they had more more sketches that I genuinely had a belly laugh Yeah, yeah, yeah, even saying that like the but I think is kind of makes or breaks get show sometimes is the pace of it So it's like if something isn't something you're super duper into it'll be done in like 35 seconds And that's the really good thing they they think they were really good at sort of like nipping it in the bud before the sketch got old Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, and they quite often made a joke about how fast the transitions were Which I was very thankful for because there's nothing worse than I've seen like when you see a sketch show and they have to like Stop and set up the next little sketch and then come on and do that little sketch But this one I think it was just like non-stop the entire way through. That's really funny. Yeah, yeah, yeah Because James Colopy who made that amazing show that I saw telling yes He said while he was like as I said talking in his show about making a sketch show He overestimated how much time he'd have to put into the transitions between each thing Oh, he had all of these like like tech elements and like music cues prepared in order to fill the dead space between each thing But he was like oh you can just start the next thing and people will just keep up with you people will be fine And then I think is one of the great things about sketch comedy. It's so accessible You just need like two or three people and just some ideas and you don't need all this fancy stuff to keep setting up the next bit You just need like comic timing. I mean coming time. Oh absolutely. Yeah, which way should we do guys? Yes, um favorite sketch go favorite sketch. Oh my favorite sketch. I think um I'm okay. I guess my answer is when lucky starts giving a PowerPoint presentation And it gets railroaded by the prevalence of like clip art motion graphics and to me a cat And no the I think the best part of that sketch is fin playing. I think it's a teacher I think it's a student doing a PowerPoint presentation for a teacher Is the best part of that whole sketch is fin just sort of very straight face being like as this PowerPoint gets progressively more and more insane with all these like Crazy transitions of these like me a cat is fin just going yes But why have you got that no that's not sorry Sorry lucky you actually it was just perfection. Mm-hmm. That's a really good answer. Thank you solid answer. What's your answer? Well, it was gonna be the fucking meerkat PowerPoint, but oh well my follow-up which I did have prepared because I knew you would say that okay Is absolutely the mimeing bit. I think they're doing like a like a mock of an improv and like yeah fin gets lucky And to do like come and do an improv bit with me and they like all right We need to suggest you for anything in someone shout out a park or like I think lock you shout a bar or something It's like all right. Let's go come on And he's like all right and you're walking your dog you're walking your dogs and lock you start mining walking your dog And I think you just immediately goes this guy's gonna fuck his dog this guy's gonna fuck a dog He's trying to fuck a dog and it just kept being an iteration of that and kept working that into it that made me laugh Great so hard because it was just so fucking dumb It was so good. Oh My god, help you done a fucking dog. It's just great anytime someone talks about fucking a dog. How there is great Yeah, I love the way that they sustain the energy of The comedy of the entire thing. Yes Which my my brain wants to immediately go to like there was nothing and this is again a taste thing They weren't any sketches or anything They were contingent on people finding funny the amount of time something took to happen Like what do you mean like and I get some people like into this They weren't any scenes and it seems maybe stupid to talk about a show and then point out something that wasn't in there Go on you're gonna do it great bitch. Thank you. Yes, I'm very courageous. Um, yeah, Jonah Hill wasn't in it I loved that about this There was nothing in it that was like oh how funny it is to watch someone with like big foam gloves trying to pick up a pocket watch off the ground Oh Yeah, there were none of those moments. Yeah, okay, I just spend those things wanting to die and yeah And I think part of because again my cursory understanding of the process of making this show which again is just based on like The Chinese whispers of Instagram algorithms Um, but it seems like it's a been a show that's been in development for a little while just by virtual lockdowns Oh sure And which one I think is potentially really benefited the show because it means that everything that's been left in the show Is something that they clearly at least what seems like really really into and that they are really proud of and find fascinating So it means that it really it feels like you aren't just watching a parade of half-baked ideas That's a really good point, but it's a bunch of stuff that they have refined to a point where it's like everything seems like Everything had it had deserved a spot in the stage It just had this one in the stage and yeah, and it's only the stuff Which I felt like there's only stuff up there that they believe works and stuff that they truly find funny and enjoy doing because Throughout the entire thing it seemed like they seem excited to show us this funny thing they're doing. Yeah, 100% there was also like I think you agree that I'm Being on stage. There's always the sort of it's it's really gratifying seeing actors sort of give themself a little bit to the piece and they weren't strictly speaking like trying to be very serious professional actors on this sketch show But like every now and again, they would do a sketch and as you commented earlier Outside of this podcast we talk outside of this podcast sometimes. Yeah, and then They did that that so every now and again they do that sort of bit of that one hit a bit close to home Yeah, and even something like that was sort of like this is there is a little part of them in what they're doing Yeah, like even that was sort of like just a really nice little touch That I quite liked my mouth is insisting on saying just in the what you just said about the desire to Give of themselves. Yeah, um, and then just thinking about people on stage. I found something especially Intrancing about the way that you need to stop doing physical movement. I do you need to stop The physical movement is just for you James. It's committed a lot. I don't even know Um, I really appreciate it the way that Finn Carries his body around. I like the way that it seems like the way that energy occupies his body It seems to almost be animated by service to Ver things he's doing yeah, I know exactly what you're trying to say. He's he's the his masculinity Seems to almost be puppeted puppeted by his enthusiasm. Yes He has a unique way of moving about the really I think it compliments He and lucky really come from any type of quite well in that yeah He's got that sort of all my I would say sometimes almost skittish sort of energy which I we translate really well to this sort of comedy And lucky's got that sort of and lucky if you're listening. I'm sorry, but lumbering over Like only into fires you know like like you look at him and you think oh Aussie bloke That sort of energy which went and those energies together just makes for oh that's oh that's oh that's oh that's comedy grace Oh, oh good you're lumbering over energy. I'm aware that I have lumbering Oga thank you Um yeah, sorry I'm not insulting everyone Sorry, lucky if that upset you please get into contact with me. I have some coping mechanisms Oh Oopsy daisy I dropped a thing Jake Yes James Did you see a show to this week? I did see a show this week Why my wrapping can part drake Come on no, I've got a level with you here listeners. I thought I had a really good intro The intro was me just dropping something and saying oopsie daisy right is the name of the show Which is the name of a show that I saw you saw and I did not know I went to the MC show room again Oh the hole in the roof the hole in the roof that you think exists It's not even no for the hole in the room. No, I actually didn't look for this mythical hole I don't know this there that oh my god. It's like trying to see Federici's ghost with this wrong I've seen Federici's ghost a number of people have seen Federici's ghost. Yes We don't talk about the ghost no and I believe more in the ghost than this hole that you keep insisting This in the roof of the MC show room. It's ghost is super real. So that's not really saying much Actually saying the hole isn't real the hole is real but Federici's ghost is super real So it's like saying you don't believe in it as much as you believe in Federici's ghost is not a huge deal I went to the MC show room and proud of you which continues to be a real place and not A headbunk delusion. Do you have much to say about the foyer this time? The foyer the foyer No, no, I was on the phone to a friend of mine So I didn't like I was talking in the street on the phone for a while before going in and then talking to the very nice Friends of a man friend friend. I have friends. Yeah, hi. Did you jealousy? No Upsi Daisy and so I'm just gonna make sure that I get this so the name of the the writer is Jason Economides and who is also in the show Oh, yeah, um, so Upsi Daisy Oh It was a fun time. I so the premise of it is so - Oh, deep breath. - The idea is, so it's set in a hospital. Okay, medical backdrop. And it begins with the lead actor whose name is Daisy. So it's Nurse Daisy and it's played by Annalise Knight, who's a delight. And she wakes up in her morning and she starts dancing to a Meghan Trainor song. - Great. - Yes, it's me too, which I think after #MeToo is a loaded decision to make, is it make that decision after #MeToo movement, Meghan Trainor? - Yeah. - Oh, she released it before #MeToo movement. - Okay, okay. - Yeah. - This just then decides and then it gets some #MeToo. - Well, yeah, yeah, yeah. - Especially because it was like she wanted it to happen. - If I was you, I'd want to, oh, that's some one to do #MeToo. - Yeah. - Definitely get me up before. - Yes. And it was also a song that Meghan Trainor released and it was like she had really jumped the gun on trying to be on say herself in the way of being like, "I'm fucking amazing." Everybody loves me. It's like, "Megan, we barely know you. You can't already be hitting us with these songs about how much we want to be you." - You wait the queen babe. - Yeah, yeah, you jumped the gun, baby. Yeah, like Beyonce barely gets away with it. Like when she released that song, it's like, "Bow, damn bitches." It's like, "I don't know if we're ready for this, but see what we do." - I don't even care about it. - I feel care about Beyonce a lot. - I don't think she's for us. - Um, yes. So, yeah, wakes up, dances to #MeToo. And we just established that she's like an upbeat lady. Arise at the hospital where she works. (laughing) - And then, wow! And can I just say, this hospital is fantastic for a number of reasons. First off, I, (laughing) and I found this to be a charming thing. It doesn't seem like anyone's good at being a doctor or a nurse. As some of the works in a hospital, I've gotta say, not far off the map. (laughing) I joke, I joke, go on. - Yeah, but there's a established to be like, a hierarchy that exists. There's like a bunch of nurses, there's like one doctor, and there's a receptionist. And that's kind of like the key players in this hospital. Like mural that gets created. And it's gonna get these names. So, Chloe Blanche plays Roxanne, who's like a more competent nurse. And then, there's, where are we? And then there's Rebecca Simmons, who plays nurse Robin. I like nurse Robin because she's only in the show, seemingly, she's kind of like the butt of maybe three jokes throughout the entire show. - Right. - And, (laughing) largely it's established very early on that she's a vegan and everyone hates her. (laughing) And there's like, and I like that we are still keeping alive this anger towards the vegan community. - Yeah, it seems very big in 2010. - But I'm like how old school it is. - Yeah. - It's like, go after this bitch. (laughing) - She deserves it. - Yeah, she deserves it. And then, Desi Boyle, so he plays Dr. Michael. I had one of these pathetic, very Jake moments of he came out to play this doctor. And I was like, that man's beautiful. - Like, what a therapist. - I'm glad you knew exactly what was coming. So it comes out in his little like, doctor outfit. - Which is like, not of help. - Exactly. Part of what I love about his characterization and the way that his character has been written is like, so there's the nurses, there's Desi. Who people find irritating because she's upbeat. There's a receptionist who I will get into later, but she's also wonderful. And they all kind of like, start targeting sort of each other. Like, keep sort of like, ripping each other apart. In very, they just aren't very nice to each other. They're very mean. - Right, right, right, right. - And then Dr. Michael comes in, and he's around as well. And he's a doctor. And it seems very obvious that he's kind of like, a little bit like, outranks them a little bit and that he's like, making staffing choices and stuff. And that's how this hospital hierarchy functions. - Okay. And I just find it really funny. Anytime that they, like all the nurses would start like squabbling and insulting each other, he'd sort of be part of the conversation too. And I'd always be ready for him to be like, "God's calm down. "We're in our hospital. "They stop yelling at each other "about how much vegan suck." But instead he's like, "Yeah, fuck you." (laughing) She does stink. You suck. He's like pretending to promote people. And then being like, "Law." (laughing) Yeah, that's good. That's really funny. - And it was just, I loved how no one seemed to be very interested in any medical care. And no one really ever said anything, like there wasn't even like a moment where someone said a medical term. (laughing) Like no one said cardio myopathy. No one. (laughing) Does, is it? - Jason, the writer. - Yes. - Does he work in a hospital? Is he like a medical person? - Oh, I have no fudge include. - Okay, right. - I don't know. - I'm just curious. - Again, charmingly, it does not seem as if he has any medical training. (laughing) I thought it was sweet. Antoinette Davis plays the receptionist at this hospital and her whole stick, it's like she loves to eat. (laughing) - Love to eat, she's sassy, she's lonely. (laughing) But she's fantastic. This woman has such a delightful energy about her in the way that like a lot of what she does, especially early on in the play, is just sit behind a desk and just say things. I think there's something that I've never really heard extensive conversation about. Something about the campus of or the general appeal of the character of like a funny woman who works at a reception desk that should be doing bigger, better things, not that there's anything wrong with reception, as you know. - Thank you. - But this idea of like a wonderful lady being trapped behind a desk and dealing with idiots all day. - Oh yeah. - That there's just almost like a campus to that situation and that character. - Doll, what? - I've gotta tell you, as a wonderful, beautiful lady, you're trapped behind a desk and dealing with idiots all day. - Yes. - It's a very camp situation. - Yeah, but you're right, there is that, I think it's, it sort of goes hand in hand with like, what am I trying to say? Always like that sort of unrealized potential, fantastic woman in a role that is just dealing with idiots. Yeah, and that's something always very comedic in that situation. - Okay. - That's all I have to say. - Sure, no, look at me like there's more, there's no more. There's no more. Sure, no, I guess I'm trying to pick about what is it about that, that that that stock character that is. - Come here, do the love there. - You the daughter. - Everything comes back to community, it does come back to community to love her. - Yeah, no. - So what then proceeds to happen? - Capitano. - Sorry, so, no that's okay. So, oh, first, so I would just want to say that, so Jason, the icon of me, he's the writer. - Yes. - Is also in the show. - Yep. - Any plays, a character called Lenny Lynch. - Lenny Lynch. - The introduction of him is him. So the premise and the setup of the thing, is like Lenny Lynch is a big sort of like pop star celebrity who used to be in a boy band and now is doing solo stuff. And Daisy has been decided to be the nurse that will be working with him in this liver transplant that he's getting. - Okay. - So, and the explanation for this, which feeds into no one in this world being very good at their jobs. The reason that hot doctor gives for making her the nurse, is that she seems really enthusiastic and because they're gonna get a lot of media attention for this surgery, they want the most upbeat nurse to be working on the surgery, so that any TV representation of the celebrity dealing with the hospital seems like it paints the hospital in a positive light. - That doesn't seem too far out of reality. - No, that's totally, yeah. I just like the goofyness of that. - That is a goofy situation. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - And then Lenny Lynch's introduction, I love any time a play, does the thing, where they spend a lot of time building up a character before you get to meet them. Just a bunch of like scenes of people been like, oh my God, she's coming. Oh my God, she's on the way. - She's on the line. - She's always good. - So he comes out and then does this like full musical number to Kesha's gold trans-am, one of her best songs that no one talks about. - Can you, I'm a bit of it, or sing a bit, come on, climb into my golden carpet. (laughs) Wanna take your, or a freedom, rock that song. - Okay, don't go too much more, we'll go to the copy room. - In day, but that song, so comes out, sing that entire number, and then brings with him like, a list being assistant and like a bodyguard. - So he's also good. The cast in the show is so sprawling, not to temple over the place, there's so many people. Like just when I thought we'd met all the characters, we get into like, what is like the sort of like a midpoint of all the things that happen in this story. And we still meet, he is soap opera parents, and we still meet two bumbling detectives. Like people just keep getting weird out into this show, and it's never. - I love that. - That's great. - Yes, so Lenny Lynch comes in, and he's gonna get a liver transplant, doesn't know that part of the transplant is gonna involve getting cut open, so has a free care about that. Like these are the sorts of things that are very recurrent. - Cool. - So then Daisy gets signed onto the surgery, the surgery happens, there's a risk of Lenny Lynch going into a coma that then proceeds to happen, and then while she's caring for him while he's in a coma, she accidentally trips over a cord and unplugs his life support machine, and then Lenny Lynch dies, and then Daisy's like, "Oh no, no, no, no, oopsie, oopsie says Daisy." So oopsie accidentally kills this pop star who's recovering from a liver transplant. - This isn't a spoiler, is it? - No, this is the premise, like this is all in the synopsis. - Great, great, great. - I read when I was buying the ticket very enthusiastic based on this premise. - Of course. - And then, yeah, so trips on the cord kills Lenny Lynch. She's like, "Oh no, kill Lenny Lynch." And then Roxanne comes in, and the other nurse, the more competent nurse, and she's like, "Daisy, literally what the fuck have you done?" And she's like, "Ah!" And then Roxanne is like, "And this is where I love the piling on of confusing steaks." And so then because Roxanne was responsible for training Daisy as a nurse, Daisy's like, "If I go down for this, you go down for this because you trained me, so if I'm incompetent, you're incompetent." - Right. - And then they're like, "What are we gonna do?" And then, in one of the best pieces of, like, I don't know, decision making in the piece that I got really into because it was so funny. - Okay. - Is Martha the receptionist comes in? - Oh good. - And then displaying this wonderful actor's capacity to perform comedy, it's like, she comes in, and she's like, "What's happened?" Seeing this like dead celebrity on the ground, these two nurses freaking out, and they tell her what's happened, and then she's like, "Without, like missing a beat, her advice is, you've gotta run away." (laughing) Incredible thinking. - Just run away. - So fucking good. (laughing) - Oh, you've got to go. - And then these two nurses are like, great point, we're absolutely doing this. (laughing) And then what happens, and this, I need to talk to you. about the confidence and necessary and it's a confidence that I guess I aspire to but I feel we'll never have the confidence that Jason has had to write himself into this show where he plays like a sexy part like that's interesting plays like a sexy beloved celebrity yeah and then what he does so dies obviously yep and then writes into the script that he gets stuffed inside of a large you know there's big bears you can buy a hospital gift shop so they hollow out one of those and put linearly to inside the teddy bear yeah which of course essentially means he no longer has to be on stage because they're just gonna carry this teddy bear around pretending he's inside of it okay between see no longer has to be on stage what a confident move brain move that's great yeah I just thought that was yeah that's really that was fine work but yeah no so yeah this what yeah so then it's just like a series of hygiene so it almost becomes like a road movie where they are trying to like outrun the law weekend at Bernie's sort of situation a little weekend at Bernie's like he does turn into that sort of midway through when they start having to like make other choices and people have to you see this corpse that they carry around yeah um but it but it even like I like it even just the moments of almost accidental seaming absurdity where it's like it's not clear what the plan is so they get in the car with his bear they start driving away from the police and they even start having a conversation about like what is what are we where are we going and they describe the plan as being like we're just gonna keep driving until they forget about this it's like babe that's I don't know I don't know how that works there are people whose job it is to not forget about this and also roads can only go so hard I don't think the show is so goofy and I was just going into it I love the yeah I love the idea of what do we do now yes yeah I'm like I'm just like well they just told us to run away and we just did it just did it that's great yeah um I just want to yeah also just point out I want to point out Diana Leicic who plays Carly Cox who is just like this like this like just like a stunningly beautiful woman plays this like long supermodel creature that just hangs around like leaching off linear lynchers money the entire time yeah she just knows yeah again it's just a really really funny lady who was just like this like surprising like she could have just come across as a very like that but Instagram idiot yeah but yeah just know like as it became more and more obvious throughout the show just knows how to add comedy to a scene yeah yeah and knows how to use because she's just had got this like yeah like really beautiful engaging body and her physicality like even thinking about the way Finn behaves like Carly has her own style of like knowing exactly what her body is doing and doing it and really fantastic so nice watching a performance is just so in touch with how they present themselves on stage totally and how to make that work yeah yeah yeah yeah and also yeah I don't know yeah there were a lot of really bold character decisions because even the woman playing Bethany who was playing Bethany the Scarlett Haberfield playing the assistant like Lenny Lynch's assistant just has this I hope pretend Lisp I don't say that I'm not just because if it's her real speaking voice it seems like it's a real difficult it's charming but it's a lot of listening what's it what's it a Scarlett hey don't have a field if you're listening to this and you actually do speak like that I apologize yeah yeah I can't even consider that could have been real it was just a very sometimes speak like that yeah no but it was just a very dense Lisp and I love a Lisp Scarlett if it's real keep it Scarlett Scarlett I used to have a Lisp I had to go and see a speech pathologist which is a phrase that has waved you many in it that's true yeah I used to say my ass is that the side of my mouth like this oh kind of like Drew Barrymore yeah yeah I kind of like Drew Barrymore I definitely want to also flag that there's a wonderful dance musical sequence oh called this bussy drips gold oh of course it is truly a great song I think so yeah nice yeah no it was really really fun which character does what what prompts that number I don't spoil anything but yeah the character performs it this bussy drips go this bussy drips go and like the whole cast is involved with the this amazing thing kept occurring where any time that there was a musical number everyone's characters became irrelevant and they were just there to be dancers yeah absolutely everyone had to like D roll and just become dances yeah no phenomenal but it was also great to see it's the thing too of like you're seeing these people that are like you playing like middle-aged women or like like adult doctors but then you also realize oh these are also just like actors that are in Melbourne currently and really good at dancing that's right yeah and I also just want to say I loved how often the solution to any of the high jinks that were occurring the plan to escape anything that was happening was often making a distraction classic yeah like oh I'll do this and that will throw them off and they're my big silly thing and they will run away I just I love that my sense it's a great moment yeah right where to get out of obviously yeah in a lot of ways this was a road story which is not what I expected I expected it to be said in the hospital entirely yeah I was ready for it to be like them keeping keeping his body looking alive sure yeah no and I was asked because we didn't lose the hospital the whole time because we kept flashing between like their dramatic road trip and then coming back to the hospital and seeing what all of the doofuses were still up to back there that's fun because it like detectives arrive and they're terrible at their jobs and then like Lenny Lynch's parents turn up and they're soap opera stars and so yeah you know there's a lot of stuff going on right you never get bored there's always do this around yeah yeah yeah and just as far as road movies whenever road movies come up I just always feel the need to mention the fact that Magic Mike 2 is much better than Magic Mike 1 Magic Mike 2 a road movie Magic Mike 2 is a road movie and people never talk about it in in that way Channing Tatum is the worst teeth I've ever seen worst teeth okay have you seen his teeth now not to be a huge name dropper here but I was working a function at my old job where Channing Tatum came to promote Magic Mike and I was in the corridor Magic Mike the live experience yes sorry they live show and Channing Tatum won't pass me in the corridor and I saw his teeth because he was smiling yeah because of something you said because I made him know no no so he said I mean he I didn't say anything I won't pass him the corridor yeah he happened to have his mouth open everyone listening Google image Channing Tatum smile or Channing Tatum teeth right now yeah it is horrible what's not a horrible let me show you and also describe it snaggle snaggle what does that mean like they crooked like like a crooked if you drop a dick of cards exactly that's exactly let me let me quiet this for you okay I've just found a picture of Channing Tatum's teeth I'm gonna show Jake okay oh yeah oh yeah oh yeah they've all got like individual characters like that's interesting here so much money like look at that that's interesting yeah they're worse in person too like they're they're at angles yeah anyway that's my that's my review on Channing Tatum's teeth he was so beautiful in step-up I think I was at the right age like you know there's people I didn't see any of the step-up movies you know the person that you were like so young obviously being gay boys like when you're really young and obviously like so porous and so like ready to be overwhelmed by anything do you remember like the first guy that you saw and you're like that's a man Peter Pan Peter Pan in the live action oh Jeremy some Jeremy some to Peter and I just hit you so hard I was like how can someone this beautiful exist in the world you was dressed in vines like it's a sexy outfit I mean he's a child in the movie now but at the time off that that was it for me that was my Channing Tatum sure because I have like a low grade Channing Tatum I remember I wasn't really like into him but I remember seeing him in step-up and being like that guy's super beautiful oh sure I know they could be that beautiful yeah no mine was Jeremy's yeah I think mine was Hugh Dancy and Ella enchanted oh that's a very it's a very charming response isn't it's a very like sophisticated man yeah absolutely the mine with more jungle boy oh yes mine was more of yeah Hugh Dancy before he did Hannibal I've always forget that I always forget the Q Dancy is the lead in Hannibal yeah that's always like still so handsome so oh I'll be more handsome in that I'm gonna cut in those glasses and he's like taking the in-dance yeah in that cabin in the woods oh my god oh my god even just the way those glasses sit on his damn face that facial hair oh my god she's so troubled okay oh thanks you Dancy look at all that eloquent notes let's wrap up the sick monster nice okay so that's that's another episode of praise Dionysus praise Dionysus praise him oh what a guy what a hot drunk twink maybe we have different images of who Dionysus and maybe you're allowed to have different images of who Dionysus is maybe that's the message of today's episode or it's not at all or that leads on to we probably don't agree with any of the things we've already said yes we may already disagree with a bunch of stuff we just said so don't all this accountable don't take us to court no don't do that also email us anything that you want to email us or like DM us on Instagram I hate saying DM out 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