The Eddy Brothers and the High Life Ski Club

Hey, weirdos, I'm Ash and I'm Alena and this is morbid in October. It's October! Happy Motherfucking October, bitches. We made it, y'all. Ah, we're here. September flew by. September literally, excuse me, Proctober. Yeah. Wasn't a month. No, it didn't even feel like Proctober because it was so fast. I know. What's happening to time lately? It's like bent or something. Did somebody break that too? Like, what's going on? Actually, yeah. Oh, I forget. It's shit. This isn't going to like sound good because there's a thing that I was telling you about recently. Oh, yeah. I can't remember what it's Stern or Kern. Fuck. People are like probably yelling it from the rooftops, but I fell into this whole TikTok hole about this like machine that like bends time timelines and it's like where Mandela effects come from. Okay. And it is making time either go by faster or slower. They're going to need to hit the pause button on that one. So I think that's the problem I think. We hit October. So pause. I think when they unplug it, it like fucks with the space time continuum. And obviously this is like theory and like, I'm not crazy, but do a little power cycle, plug it back in. But then I think it needs to go slow. I think when it's plugged in, it's like fucked up too. I think whoever made it is, the batteries in it. I don't know. Make it battery powered. I said called it. Can't think of what it's called. It's called the thing that's making things go by too fast and I don't like it. Yeah. Period. That's it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's the name of it. I should, I wish that I had fallen into that hole more recently and that I remembered. So my brain is also just like a fried egg right now. Yeah. It's been, it's been a year. You know, it's been a year. It's been a year. I thought you were going to say it's been a day. It's been a day. It's been a year. It's been a day. I've recently fallen back into it. This is how I know it's October. I've fallen straight back into my Salem Witch Trials hyperfixation. I saw that you were watching something. Yeah. I'm living for it and much to my family's chagrin because I'm just explaining horrible atrocities to John all the time. That's kind of how this podcast started. Yeah. So, um, are you going to do something? It made me want to like, because like we covered the film Witch Trials so long ago. Yeah. And I feel like I could do it better. Okay. And I was sitting there thinking like we have bonus episodes. We do. So like everyone's a while maybe. There's another, there's another witch trial that we haven't covered that I want to cover. That is like, it starts with a tea. Yeah. I want to cover. I know exactly which ones you're talking about. But I think I could, I think we could also could dive into those a little further. All right. Okay. I have my girl. Go ahead. Get down. I have all the transcripts and stuff. I feel like I could really do like Jack the Ripper style kind of deep type. The look on big red space right now. It's healthy. I'm also doing research for a book. Oh. So that's helped a lot. And you can't really say much more than that now. But that kind of tells you something. When do you get to, you can cut this out if you need to, but do you have any idea when you need to, should if I know. Okay. I just, I just, it's, you know, suffer away for a few months. Yeah. And then they tell me what I can say. It's really done. You're going to know because that's funny. That is pretty fun. I think you could leave it in. I think that's the life of an author. It literally is. Like you just are like, okay, no, tell me what I can tell everyone about this. I'm excited for you to. I'm very excited about this one. I've been excited about every book. But this one's different. It's outside of the series. So that's fun. So it's fun. And it's, and I can tell you it's really horror. It's like true horror. Yeah, it's not like a thriller. And I'm, I'm really excited about it. I'm super, super excited about it. And I can't wait to read it. But I want to read it when it's done. I know, because I've been at every now and then I'll be like, Oh my god, I have this really good chapter. And you're like, I don't know here. I just, I'm not, I want to, I really want the experience of reading a full book of yours just for the first time when I sit down to read the books. See, now I have to fully rely on John as my. I'll do it. You know, it was my first reader someday. I'd like that someday. Can I, can I have that? I'm using John's my tabby. Your tag. I mean, my, my tab at the King. Yeah. I love him. So he's really got to step into that role more now. He does. He's not a husband or I'm just your right hand bitch. It's true. I just felt a lot of a reading slump. And I have to thank Richard Chismar for that. Yes. I knew you would love that. Becoming the boogie man, or chasing the boogie man. And I'm obsessed that I read it. I read it in one day. Oh, it's such an easy one to just eat up because you just the way he writes it, you're just like, all right, I got to know what happens. I like you can't stop. I gobbled it up. Chasing the, becoming the boogie man is also awesome. And his killing the boogie man that's coming out is amazing. Yeah, I have killing. And then I pre-ordered becoming. I'm finishing up ninth house. Oh, you've been talking about that. And I actually have that love it. I haven't read it, but I have it. I am loving it. That's like a dark academy. Dark academy? No, it's like a weird like academy, right? It's like it's Yale. Oh, and it's so, so yeah. And it's like, and it's like dark academia, like fantasy. And it's like a like a secret society. The secret society's involved. Okay, that's fun. Yeah. Yeah, I think he did recommend you recommended that. And then there's a sequel. There's two books, two more books. Oh, it's a trilogy. And I have all three of them because as soon as I got a quarter of the way through ninth house, I was like, give me the other two. I'm ready. Like she, Lee Bardugo is the author and holy shit. Really good. Can they write? Holy shit. Holy shit. I don't even know my own kids. It's so good. And the magic, like, it's like got magic in it, but the magic is like, like dark. Yeah, and it just like feels so, so real. Okay. And there's a lot of like the supernatural. It's very, very, very good. And the secret society stuff is delicious in it. Really? Yeah. This time of year, I'm very into like a spooky read that like scares me. Yeah. Like, fucking, uh, which I, I mix up all the verbs, uh, all the verbs of the bogeyman, what it was chasing, chasing the bogeyman. Thank you. Scared the shit out of me. Like I couldn't sleep. I love that. Yeah. And I love that feeling. Yeah. Which is probably self sabotage, but how we all love that. I love it. Um, so this time of year, I'm, I'm looking for all those kinds of recommendations for books like hell. Yeah. And there's so many. I also just had a bookshelf built in my house, and I need to like fill it with more books. So there you go. I really thought that I had a lot of books. And then the bookshelf was complete. And I was like, am I a literate? I have the opposite. The problem is I'm here books where I have too many books. And I need more bookshelves. I have the stat. I look like one of those like crazy tropes of like an author. Yeah. We're like, I just have stacks of books all around our. I love it. And John's like, can we get a vessel? I know these. You're also somebody that has like multiple copies of the same book. That's true. You have a lot of duplicates. I'm, I'm weird. The only book duplicates I really have are yours. I have at least six versions of each book. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Well, that's books. That's books with us. Literacy with us. And let's talk about, I mean, it's October 1st. So you know we're about to get spooky this month. That's right. So I have a spooky story about some mediums. How about that? Let's go. So we're going to be talking about the Eddie Brothers today. And this is like not true crime. Not anything like that. It's just like a spooky haunted story. I love that. And it's up to you to decide if they were real or not. I kind of think they might have been the real deal. Really? Maybe. So William and Horatio Eddie were born and raised in Chittenden, Vermont, which was a small village in Rutland County. When they were born, it was between the 1830s and 40s. And at that time, there's only about 600 residents in their village, which is gnarly to think about. According to legend, they both actually, this is so weird that you were just talking about this. They both descended from a long line of psychics going back to Mary Bradbury. And she was a distant relative who was convicted of witchcraft and Salem in 1692. I don't know if you've studied her yet. Look at that. But she managed to escape execution by fleeing Massachusetts. Damn. Isn't that so fun? I can't believe she fled. She fled. She was a witch. Or maybe she wasn't. So according to those same legends, the boy's mother Julia had also gained a reputation around their village for quote, frightening her neighbors with predictions and visions. Good for her. Which I'd like to be that neighbor. Yeah, good for her. There's not enough neighbors frightening the village. Yeah, you got to bring it back. We all have to take it upon ourselves to be that neighbor. Yeah, we do. Okay. Unfortunately for her, though, her husband, Zephaniah, I believe is how you say his name. He shut down his wife's supposed gifts and he declared that her power is where the work of the devil. And so he forbade her from not only using them, but even speaking of them. It's not your pal buzzkill. That's not your pal asshole. Yeah, though, I like that at all. I don't like them. Now, according to famed occultist and journalist Henry Alcott, Zephaniah, Eddie was a little more than a quote, uneducated farmer who was quote, yeah, he read him. He just said, whoa. And he said he was quote, narrow-minded and strong in his prejudices. Sounds it. So he instinctively feared his wife's gift of clairvoyance. And that's why he made her hide it. Yeah. Now, unfortunately for brothers, Horatio and William, they didn't get the not-so-subtle message of their fathers just content with the supernatural. One afternoon when they were still like pretty young boys, their father spotted their sons in one of the nearby fields surrounded by dozens of other children. But the closest children in the area lived like many, many miles away. So he became terrified by what he saw and he called the boys back to the farm where he quote, and this is awful. Beat them mercilessly for creating an ungodly vision. So you hallucinated maybe perhaps or maybe they just like made playmates because you have powers. That's their problem. Yeah. It's the work of the devil. I know you've got to eat the devil out of it. Yeah, you got it. You're only option. Yeah, that's the good Lord says. I do. Okay. Be your kids about it. That's for sure. Now, this was not the first time that he had caught his sons playing with supernatural operations. It was said that he often saw beings quote playing with the boys or helping them with chores. But the figures would disappear whenever he would approach. Sounds awesome. If that was happening, I'd be like, cool, more hands on deck. That's good. Awesome. We're going to get shit done. Yeah. This house is going to be fucking spotless. Exactly. And we can all bake together and shit. Yeah, let's go girls. Actually, I don't really like baking with other people. Let's go ghouls. Let's go ghouls. Literally. So their father's demands and abuse turned out to be kind of of little use in controlling the son's supernatural abilities. Yeah. The boys themselves didn't really have any control over, I guess like the phenomenon if you want to call it that. From the moment that each of them was born, the family experienced strange things surrounding both of them. Including like from day one, including eerie sounds emanating from the walls, inexplicable clouds of mist appearing in each of their bedrooms. Damn. And their cradles being rocked by disembodied hands that appeared to come out of nowhere. That's nice. It's lovely. It's called a spectral nanny. Yeah. Okay. Look it up. You don't even have to pay that, Nanny. A spectral night nurse. Yeah. Now as the brother's age, things only seem to grow stronger and a bit more disruptive though, eventually leaving them both to be expelled from school. Oh, that's not good. Yeah. Unable to control what he believed to be demonic. Their father resorted to chaining his sons up for days at a time in the woods. I don't like him. I hate him. I really don't like him. And he just hoped that would like rid them of what he thought was a family curse. Yeah. That I can see why he thought that. Why would chaining your kids up in the woods reverse a curse? Because what? Don't worry about it. I hate it. It's another one of those things that you say, don't worry about it. It's just because. Well, here's the thing. It didn't work. It didn't? Yeah. So he did the unthinkable. He sold his kids at a traveling side show. He couldn't get rid of their curse. So he sold them to a traveling side show. I don't know how to respond to that. That's valid. Yeah. Like I literally don't know how to respond to that. What do you really say? Yeah. So yeah, the next 15 years on display from coast to coast just formed to perform their supernatural abilities under threat of violence from the show's owners, because back of them carnivals and like side shows and that kind of thing, they were fucked up. Now with all that being said, there is not a ton of documentation of their early life. So there are a few different legends and tales about their early life. Some legends say that they actually never left Vermont at all. And others say the boys were sold into performative slavery and didn't return to the state until their mother died in 1872. In other versions of the story, though, it was actually their father himself who dragged the boys around the country promoting their abilities to make money. And some skeptics actually believe it was him himself, the father himself who started rumors about his abilities, his son's abilities, so that he could attract more attention and make more money. He was against it. Who knows whatever the case may have been by 1870 William and her ratio were back in Vermont if they had ever left it all. And they opened a small inn in the home that they'd grown up in, which they named the green tavern. And it was there that they capitalized on their supernatural abilities and the growing interest in spiritualism, which at that time was at its peak. Oh, yeah. So in order to understand the appeal and the allure of William and her ratio, it's important to understand just like a few things about the spiritualist movement. It's kind of difficult to pinpoint exactly where it emerged from, but it's widely acknowledged that Kate and Maggie Fox two sisters from upstate New York were some of the key players in developing and popularizing spiritualism around like the mid 19th century. They claimed the sisters that they were able to communicate with the spirits of the dead at first through a series of knocks communicated through the walls and floor of their apparently already haunted family home. And later through more sophisticated and theatrical means now as they home their skills, they attracted more and more attention. And eventually they started holding these like really big sayances and performing their spirit communication in theaters across to us, which like that must have been a time. I was literally just going to tell what a time to be alive because just going to see paranormal activity live was such a time to me and it gives me the same vibes. Oh my god, but it would have been like legit. Yeah, like legitimately, like just about like so theatrical and also you'd be like so dressed up and everything else would be dressed up. It would just be like gorgeous. We used to be a proper country. Yeah, you know, if you didn't look like too deep into things don't look too deep at anything. But in this one moment, in this moment when we were at sound with cute outfits, we were a proper country. We were a proper country. Now at the end of the American Civil War don't look too deep into that. At the end of the American Civil War in 1866, spiritualism gained even more popularity, especially with women. A lot of women had lost brothers, husbands, other loved ones in the war, and they clung to the hopes of communicating with their departed family. Even Mary Todd Lincoln, a lawyer's wife was a devotee. That's how you say that right? Yeah, devotee of spiritualism. She had lost three of her four sons under the age of 18. Whoa. And then obviously eventually her husband now is devotee. What? Her husband died? You didn't know? No. Sorry to be the first to tell you. It's pretty gnarly. Damn, there's a whole museum about it. Oh, no. I've been there. Wow. I looked at the pillow. Holy shit. Crazy. We'll talk about it later. Yeah. Now it was devotees like Mary Todd Lincoln that the Eddie Brothers hoped to attract to their new business venture when they opened the green tavern in 1870. And they declared the tavern was a quote, "Homestead for travelers interested in the supernatural." So for $10 a week, which today would be about $250 a week, guests could check into the end and watch or participate. And then nightly sayances held by the brothers. This sounds fucking awesome. Top notch. Holy shit. Now night after night, William would enter his mediums cabinet, which was a large open fronted box that was supposedly instrumental in harnessing the mediums gift. Of course. And he would go into a deep trance. When he was in that trance, he was said to be able to communicate with the land of the dead. Reportedly on a night when his powers were the strongest they'd probably ever been. As many as 500 spirits appeared. Whoa. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, it's word of the Eddie's supernatural skills and exciting sands is spread around New England. Their fame grew and obviously so did the size of their audience. On a warm spring or summer night, they would hold their sands as outside on their lawn, where the dead relatives of spectators inevitably would make themselves known. And on other occasions, they would hold sances and high profile locations like hauntos cave and chitendom were supposed Native American princess never failed to make her presence known by speaking through William. Wow. Now with any year of opening their business, they built a remarkable reputation as two of the nation's most talented psychic mediums. Go them. I know when they weren't entertaining crowds of people at the tavern or one of their sances and chitendom, they would appear at conferences and conventions like the Vermont state spiritualist convention in 1871, where Horatio was among the top build attendees. Whoa. Now during one of his sances held that weekend, it was written that, quote, hands large, small red, white and black appeared out of thin air, use sign language and spelled out messages for attendees. What? According to one reporter, the manifestations were highly satisfactory to believers and quite confounding to even skeptics. What the fuck? So the bunch of fucking disembodied hands just rolling out. Now by 1874, the green tavern and really chitend in itself, like that town in Vermont, had become known as the spiritualist capital of the universe. Damn. The mother of the universe. Damn. So devotees were traveling from around the world at this point to visit the brothers and to just hope to get. Yeah. Look at one of their sances. Of course. By that time, their skills had extended beyond just mediumship and now included several other supernatural abilities. At one saiyans in the fall of October 1873, the best time of year ever. Horatio appeared to make a collection of instruments, including a guitar, violin, tambourine, and set of bells play without ever coming into contact with them. What? According to Horatio, it was the collective electric force of the 16-inch of individual seated at the table that produced the sound. So like see the 16 individuals were nobody else saw like they were spectral, but like they helped play the instruments. I love that. Yeah, he's like it's just my spectral band. It's just my homies. Yeah, me and I worry about it. Now most if not all say ounces of the time involved attendees speaking with spirits of you know, deceased relatives or loved ones obviously, but the most talented mediums were never limited to just verbal communication. From his cabinet set off to the side of their stage in the parlor, William would reportedly conjure physical manifestations of the spirits that they spoke with. Ooh, just as they were said to have done it when they were younger children. A visible only under a dim red light, the ectoplasmic embodiments of the spirits would emerge from William's own body. Oh, we talked about this kind of thing with Sam and Colby. Yes, ectoplasm is so yucky. Spulsion of ectoplasm. Yeah, it's pretty yucky. Yeah, but they were briefly visible to all in the room before they just disappeared. Eee. Now if you lucky enough to get close to the ectoplasmic manifestations, even managed to touch them and they claimed to they produced a cold, clammy reaction. Oh, which is quite like literally exactly what I pictured. The fact that it's clammy just really got which is what you got me. No, despite their wild popularity and their countless followers, obviously not everybody in and around Chittenden were convinced of the Eddie Brothers supernatural ability. Yeah, you just out here having fun. Somebody's got to ruin it. These old people are always good at people. People are always people in. Now there were some even in the spiritualist movement, I guess, who were skeptical of the both of them because also competition. Of course. In September of 1873, Joseph Hall, a notable spiritualist at the time and also the secretary of state of Maine, wrote a letter to the editor of the Rutland Daily Herald and claimed that he witnessed what he witnessed at the Eddie's tavern was a little more than showmanship and fraud. Uh-oh, those are heavy accusations. They sure are. And I say, look down at your fingers, sir. How many are pointing back at you? Oh, I like it. But he wrote Adelaide Chittenden to witness the wonderful materializations of spirit forms of which I had heard and read so much about. No, according to him, he and several others had waited a very long time for a spirit to appear. And eventually they were joined by what Hall described. This is a quote as an Indian maiden. They were told this was Honto, the Native American priestess, commonly seen at the cave sails. But Hall wrote, I could see, but very in the gun, this was a quote. He said, I could see but very slight resemblance to the Indian costume and her dress. And I saw that her legs were strangely white for an Indian. Oh, no. I said, Mr. Secretary of State, this is getting wild. It's kind of a little widely. Yeah. Now, later that night, during a second sails, Honto appeared again, this time with Hall noticing something even more alarmingly inconsistent with what he was expecting. He said, or he wrote, I was pain to witness that her arms were clothed with sleeves that bore a striking resemblance to the shirt sleeves of the medium, William Eddie. Oh, so that's a little bit worse. During that same evening, when the spirit, a female spirit of one of the attendees dead loved ones appeared in the dim light, he noticed that the ectoplasmic manifestation appeared in his opinion, much larger than the average woman. And he said, she had a bulkier frame. More like that of a man dressed up to appear as though he was a female spirit. Well, shit. AK one of the Eddie brothers. Potentially. Potentially. That's his opinion. That's his opinion. You picked up what I heard. Now, there may not have been many who degree at the time, but Joseph Hall wasn't completely alone in his skepticism of the Eddie brothers claims. A few weeks after his letter was published, another attendee of the seances, Mr. LA Bigelow of Boston. LA Bigelow. Hello, I'm LA Bigelow. I feel like he's just constantly smoking a cigar. That's exactly what I thought. Yeah, he's like the, um, what's the loony tune? That's like that big like chicken. That big chicken. He's always smoking a chicken. He's the, he's the villain in, um, that new ACME movie lost me and you've completely lost me. He's the big chicken. He's the big rooster. Drew is so mad at me right now. My guy loves the loony tunes. Falkhorn. Falkhorn like horn. Oh, you know him. Oh, I didn't think of him. You're, you're picturing him. No, I wasn't thinking of him. Do you, can you picture him now? Yeah. That's what I know he got us. Mr. LA Bigelow to be. Uh, but anyway, he wrote a similar complaint to the Burlington Free Press. Like so many other spiritualists, he had read the reports of the eddie supernatural abilities and he himself traveled to Vermont to see the spectacle only to be quite disappointed by what he found. He said, after the lights were dimmed and Horatio's hands were tied, the sands got underway and the instruments on the table started to play on their own. So he's like, okay, shit, maybe some of those frills here. But at that moment, he lit a match, probably to light his giant cigar. Yes. And to his surprise, he said, Mr. Horatio, Eddie, the medium could be distinctly seen in front of the circle untied with the guitar in his hand playing it vigorously. What? Okay. But why are all the other instruments working? Yeah. He still seems spooky to me. Seems pretty spooky. When confronted with the discovery, Horatio threw the guitar at Bigelow. I just hear like my own and stormed out of the room. He just threw an instrument in somebody just threw an instrument in LA and left the same thing. Yeah. He said, fuck y'all. What else do you do in that situation? You got caught. I think throw a guitar. He had trouble managing his anger. That was rock star behavior. Rock star. Very rock star. He was a rock star. Yeah. The growing criticism was met with vigorous her bottles, though, from all of the people who really believed in them. All seeking to defend them is not just genuine psychic mediums, but extremely talented ones at that. In an article written for The Reton Daily Globe, one sound's attendee described, among other things, seeing a disembodied hand appear out of thin air and write a message on a sheet of paper lying on the table. Whoa. They wrote, "Another hand this time, plainly that of a lady, came out between myself and Eddie in plain sight. There was no physical arm or body connected with it. The hand took the pencil a few inches nearer to the paper and then wrote an affectionate message signed with my sister's name." Whoa. That's weird. How do you make that happen? It's all like they've Google. No, definitely not. Yeah. This was among a ton of other letters and messages sent to the local press, all determined to prove that William and her ratio were not like the other so-called phony mediums of that day. At that time, a lot of the mediums were being exposed, including the fox sisters, of course, as frauds. Yeah. Yeah. That still happens. It's us. Yeah. Yeah. There repeated questions about the legitimacy of the Eddie Brothers' abilities, though in frequent attempts to debunk their claims, reached their peak in 1874. When, according to one writer, the tavern was, quote, "infested with supernatural beings of such numbers that had never been reported before or since." Hell, yeah. The reputation had achieved such range. I'm also just laughing. Hell, yeah. Oh, so many supernatural beings. But they achieved such range that their sayances were starting to attract some of spiritualism's biggest names, including, and I think we might have talked about her with Sam and Colby. Haleena blots blavvatsky. Oh, maybe. I think we did. She's a Russian occultist. Haleena. Haleena. She founded the Theosophicals. Yeah. I didn't think about that. I know, that one's got weird things. Yeah. Yeah. She founded the Theosophical Society. And by weird things, I meant vowels. I was like, yeah, that's got like so many weird things in it. It has a lot of osse. And by a lot, I mean two. Shut up. It's hard to say. All right. It only has like four vowels. By the time. All right. I don't know. But anyways, it wasn't any of those big names. It was just a season that ended up rehabbing that any name after the 1873 exposures. Instead, it was a skeptical journalist. Oh, that would be the best one to do it. Right. So Henry Alcott had never had any particular interest in spirituality throughout his life. He actually had always been drawn to science and agriculture since he was young. Good for him. And he tended to dismiss the paranormal and supernatural as nonsense. Yeah. Don't do that. I know. But he was he was very of a different mind. Yeah, of course, that's right. Now, after graduating from college in his early 20s, he took a job as the farm editor for the New York Tribune. When the Civil War broke out in 1860, he quit his position with the paper and he enlisted with the Union Army. Woo-woo! Ultimately rising to the rank of Colonel by the time the war was over. During his time in the service, he was appointed as a special agent charged with investigating military fraud. That sounds fancy. Yeah. And his investigatory skills later earned him a place on the three-man panel that investigated spoiler alert for you, I guess. The assassination of Abraham Lincoln. Oh, my God. Is that Mary Todd's husband? Yes. Holy shit. Full of precedent. Came full circle. On a state? Oh, no. You know? Oh, no. Isn't that crazy, though? That's weird. From writing a farm column to being like on a three-man panel investigating an assassination, of the president? Of the straight-up president. That's pretty crazy. Great. Okay. Now, he eventually ended up pursuing a law degree. And by his early 50s, he was one of the most respected and most admired attorneys in New York. So it's unclear what prompted him to buy a copy of the spiritualist newspaper, Banner of Light in 1874, especially as a man of science and reason. He really didn't have any interest in the movement. And at that point, he sort of thought very little of those who did. But, But you know what? maybe it sounds like he's a man that's willing to open his mind. So maybe he was like, I don't agree with any of this and I don't believe in any of it, but I'm gonna learn about it so I can better have a counter argument. I think that you should learn about the thing that you don't agree with so that you can't. I think that you're spot on. I think that's exactly what it did. There we go. It's quite interesting when it ends up happening. Oh, I kind of foreshadowed it earlier. Now, when he read the detailed accounts of the Sances and other supernatural experiences at the Green Tavern in Chittenden, something about the claims interested him so much that he just couldn't get them out of his head. There was nothing about the claims to that point that he really found that convincing. Later, he wrote, "If any part of it was true, it was, quote, the most important fact in modern physical science." Yeah. Which like 100%. Yeah, he's like, I don't think this is true, but if it is, we should know about it. And I think it's kind of cool that he's approaching it from like a place of science. Yeah, good for him. So, he convinced the editors of the New York Sun to fund an investigation of the Eddie Brothers. That's cool. And he arrived in Vermont with Illustrator Alfred Capps ready to debunk everything. He went into this being like, "I know that this isn't real, and I'm going to figure it out." I think that's the best way to go into something like this because skeptical. Yeah. Yeah. So, when they arrived at the farm, they both were surprised and actually somewhat disappointed by what they found there. Rather than meeting what they expected to be too sophisticated showmen, Olcott found William and Horatio Eddie to be very gruff and unfriendly farmers. And despite their off-putting demeanors and, you know, rough appearances, he, Olcott, remained committed to his story and was totally enthralled once the Eddie started telling the story of the family's legacy of supernatural gifts, which we talked about in the beginning. It was actually Olcott who would document and later circulate the brother's story of their early life on the farm and the abuse and everything that we talked about at the hands of their father. But of all the stories he found the most fascinating and exciting, it was the claims of the quote-unquote "visitors" who would appear and disappear at various times around the farm. That night, he and Caps there attended their first sands at the tab room and they sat outside of the mouth of Honto's cave with about 10 other participants. Before the sands started, Olcott himself went into the cave and thoroughly examined the entire space. It was a pretty small space. And he was looking for a second exit or any kind of hiding spot, something, you know, like that that would be able to help in a fraud scheme. Yeah, but he didn't find anything. He said no foe. No, he said no fraud here. No. As far as he could tell, there was one way in and one way out and the cave was completely empty when they got there. Okay. Now, once Horatio arrived and was seated in his makeshift cabinet of branches and fabrics and whatnot, the sands began. Almost immediately after he slipped into his trance, one of the attendees gasped and pointed to the top of the cave where they all witnessed the materialization of what appeared to be a large native man looking down at them. Now moments later, the figure of a native woman appeared beside the first spirit and they that was presumably the princess who frequently appeared during the Eddie sayances. Now at first, Olcott was like that spirit is absolutely William dressed up. It's got to be. Yeah. And, you know, people have said that before. Yeah. But the more he looked, the less he believed that to be the case. Later, he wrote to William Eddie, to William Eddie, she bears not the slightest resemblance. I have seen her about 30 times and have necessarily enjoyed ample opportunities to compare her to William in every particular. Wow. So that was the first time he saw her, but then he continued to all these sayances. That's interesting. And he couldn't find a similar resemblance at all. So he left the sayons that night convinced of the brother's legitimacy, went in completely skeptical and then was like, yeah, I don't know, I think I can believe this. He spent years of his life investigating fraud. He knew a con man when he saw one. And he and cops even searched the cave in the area outside for footprints and evidence that what they had seen had to have been human, not ghost, but there was nothing on the days that followed. He attended several more sayances, all following the usual Eddie format. And they witnessed hands appear out of thin air. Again, instruments playing by themselves. They heard disembodied voices, delivering messages. And every night, all caught would go around and investigate the room for any evidence of what he would think was fraud, but didn't find any. He spoke with the brothers at length and with others who attended the sayances. And by the time he ended up leaving Vermont, he was a staunch believer in spiritualism. That's incredible. It's not the best. That's wild. He wrote, I see no more reason why we should not be able to trace the phenomenon of spiritualism back to their source than those of heat, light, motion, electricity or chemical action. If we only use the same patients and resort to like tests. I love that thought process. Right. He's like, I think this is just like a science that we don't under like a brand science that we can yeah, a part of the world that we don't get. Yeah. Now, in other words, psychic abilities and the phenomenon he witnessed in Chintenden was no different than other natural phenomena found in nature, which were themselves once described supernatural. We always think shit supernatural. Now his article is about his time in Chintenden. We're a huge success. And they went on to be republished by several other newspapers around the Northeast. And that only served to grow the Eddie brothers, reputations and supporters. A year later, he collected his writing on the eddies to into a book called People from the other world. And that set him on a new path towards spiritual enlightenment. Wow. Now through the eddies, he met Helena Blavatsky and joined the Theosophical Society and spent the rest of his life pursuing and writing about non-traditional spiritual experiences. He just took a hard left. Is that a crazy thing? That's crazy. Now his article is an enthusiasm for the brothers' abilities went a long way toward combating the accusations of fraud that had been level against them in the years leading up to the visit. But unfortunately, his enthusiasm for the Eddie brothers' abilities wasn't enough to beat back the changing attitude towards spiritualism in America. By that time, many, many psychic mediums across the country had been debunked and exposed as frauds. Like we said, even the Fox sisters who were largely responsible for the movement, they had actually been outstained by their own sister. But it is worth noting that she later recanted her confession that they were frauds. So she went back and forth. Interesting. So I don't know, maybe there are some sister in writing and she was like, they're frauds. I shouldn't have said that. Yeah, you never know. But under the circumstances, it was only a matter of time before the Eddie brothers' critics and skeptics managed to gain a foothold with their arguments and bring the whole thing to an end. Now the first major blow to their credibility came in late March of 1875 in the form of a letter to the editor of the Rutland Daily Globe written by DP West Scott, who was a childhood friend of the Eddie's. What? In his letter, he examined the brothers, say on his step-by-step and pointed out what he claimed were all tricks and allusions that were used to fool attendees. He wrote, they just like to admit a person whom they think has come for an investigation. They prefer to perform for believers in spiritualism and allow them to inform the public through press. I'm like, I don't really want to perform for a bunch of non-believers either. Yeah, like if somebody's there just to yuck your yum, that's kind of shitty. Yeah, you know what I mean? I don't believe it. I was like, maybe you were addicted to them in school because it kind of sounds like you were. Kind of sounds like you were an asshole. Yeah, so fuck you. Now for all the damage done by negative press that they've been receiving throughout 1875, it was actually their own interpersonal dynamics that ended up being the final male in the coffin or nor this always happens. Despite their success, William and Horatio and their sister Mary had really struggled to get along with each other as adults and the stresses of running a business and being in the public spotlight didn't help matters. So by the time the negative press and repeated attempts to debunk them were really coming out them on a regular basis, their constant fighting had kind of left them like barely even more than business partners and acquaintances. They kind of treated each other. And then when like all that strain is being put on, you already have a rickety foundation. Yeah. Eek didn't work for us. No, because we have a strong ask foundation. People have tried. Now by the next year, they decided to call it quits unfortunately. Horatio went out on his own and performed magic tricks and sound says just solo around Vermont and the nearby areas and occasionally found himself on the wrong side of the law. It happens. Mary who had spent much of her life behind the scenes actually stepped out into the spotlight and became a popular medium for a time. And then it just kind of people really weren't going to see mediums as well. So a little dip. Yeah, dip exactly. It was a dip. And for a moment of people wanting to speak to the dead. Yeah, we were like, no, no. Yeah. We had other things going on. I guess we're back at it. We're back at it. We're here. I'm trying to speak to them. Honestly, at this point, everybody's like, let's talk to the dead. It's more than the living. Yeah. Now William actually left the move and all together and kind of became like a better recluse until he died in 1932. Whoa. Bomber. Wow. Now when the Eddie said, because what they're separate ways in 1878, the Green Tavern, which they, that was their child at home, was passed from one private owner to another until the mid 20th century. And then it was finally purchased by, I believe it's Aisa and Ellen Guy. Now the geese thought they were just buying an old Vermont farmhouse. Like nothing, nothing, you know, super natural. But not long after they moved in, an article about the Eddie Brothers appeared in a local paper. And so Taurus started flocking to shouldn't know. No. Ellen said we'd get calls at all times of the day and night. A lot of people wanted to come in just to stand in our living room. It got so bad we had to turn them away. Which honestly, I just can't. You know, boundaries have never been a thing apparently. If it's a private resident, you can't do that. You can't do that. Now more often than not, they obviously declined to allow strangers into their home, but there were times when somebody would show up and seems so determined or had traveled such a long distance that they were like, okay, I guess you can come in and I feel them. 'Cause I'd be like, tell someone who cares. Yeah, that's on you dog, 'cause I don't. Now on one occasion in the early 1970s, two young tourists pulled up in front of the house and they just begged the geese to allow them inside with a psychic medium that they were with. No. And eventually Ellen was like, sure, I guess I'll go fuck myself, come on in. Wow. Now the medium, actually, so you're just probably much nicer than that. But the medium had barely been in the house for a few moments when a new voice emerged from her throat. Ellen later said, she said it was haunt-o speaking. Oh, then the voice changed to a deep male's voice. It was like a ventriloquist was in the room. She was a very old lady, but she was talking with a man's voice. I heard it. That's scary. I'd be like, you need to go, 'cause I don't care. Yeah, I feel like this is why I don't invite strangers into my house. Yeah, like I don't experience things. No, that's how those apparently do. Now they never personally experienced anything in the home, the geese, but there were others who claimed to have had eerie experiences. In the early '70s, not long after the experience with the medium, actually, the geese decided to sell the property to the High Life Ski Club who renovated, yeah, High Life Ski Club forever. They renovated and expanded the original building and transformed it into like a clubhouse. On the morning, or one morning in 1973, just after the grand opening party of the lodge, a woman named Linda Burns remembered entering into the great room to find that the room had been completely trashed and that the microphone on stage had completely been snapped in half. Whoa, she said nobody could have bent those things much less break them like that. And she also said that her and her friends had held a few sessions with a Ouija board a few nights earlier. And when they asked whether there were ghosts in the house, the plan jet went wild across the board. Oh, damn, yeah. Now, if the Eddie Brothers and their associated spirits were continuing to reach out after death, it also seems like they weren't content to just confine themselves to the tavern turn ski lodge alone. Around that same time, Stephen Eddie, a great, great, great grandson of the father's brother. Whoa, move to Horatio's home just outside of Rutland. He and his wife Nancy said, for the first three months, they lived there. They heard voices and footsteps that they couldn't explain. That's spooky. So it's like a haunted family. I love that. I love it. Now, today, the Eddie's former tavern remains the Vermont home of the High Life Ski Lodge. Oh, yeah, continues to welcome members every year. It looks a lot different than when it was occupied by the Eddie's a century ago, obviously. But the brothers and their supernatural activities will always be part of the building in the land. Ooh, I love that. And as for whether or not their psychic abilities were genuine or whether a part of them remains there today, we may never know for sure. We had a-- They're still there. Oh, fuck yeah, I wouldn't be clearing it. It looks pretty comfy, too. That's it. Oh, I love that. Look up pics, we'll post the High Life, you know? It's the Vermont skiing High Life, do it. So that is the Eddie Brothers and the High Life Ski Club. I like that. It was a fun one. Spiritualism is really interesting. It is. It was such a massive movement. Yeah. It's really, really interesting. It is cool. I like that. I love it a lot. I feel bad, though. They had like a real shitty go at it. They have a good go at it. But I mean, like growing up. Growing up and then when they like decided to help. You know, you did each other. Yeah. And I don't think they were like, obviously, like-- Like they went through a whole lot together and you would hope that would kind of like bond them together. Yeah. But it looks like it devoured them apart. Yeah. Because they weren't really taught to love your family. Like they were taught love by the father at the very least. Yeah, definitely not. Yeah. Also, do you feel like we need a fun fact for like cases like this? I know. I don't know if we need a fun fact. I think for the month of October, we can just like kind of-- Yeah, we'll save those for the-- for after October. Yeah, for like palette cleansers. Yeah. All right. Because that was just fun and fancy for-- I was just super fun. That's what I thought. Yeah. So with that being said, we hope you keep listening. And we hope you keep it weird. But not so weird that you conjure disembodied hands. Or actually, no, I do want you to keep it that weird. Yeah, keep it that weird. And don't keep it so weird that you start landscaping in the middle of our recording. People love to do that. They love to do that. Bye. Bye. [MUSIC PLAYING] [MUSIC PLAYING] [MUSIC PLAYING]