“The Earpiece Was REAL” - PBD Clears Up Candace Owens vs Andrew Wilson Debate Controversy

All right. Hope you guys had a good weekend. And allegedly, apparently, there was a debate that happened on Friday between a couple different people, and that debate was all over the place. And, yeah, you heard about that, and it led to allegations of me selling Dodge cars, which I would never do in a million years, and I have to address that. It's a very important matter we will get into, and I will give you some insight, some stuff on the back end that we experienced going there. What was it like, hospitality treatment, the Andrew Wilson earpiece the moment of Candice handing me over her phone, and I wanted to say something when I was given the phone. I said maybe the timing wouldn't have been right. The different things, the clips that have gone viral, we will definitely talk about that today on the podcast. I'm glad they did it. A lot of people sat there and said, I can't believe this conversation is being had, and I can't believe they're doing this. You know, it's only this, it's only that. To me, I'm glad they had the conversation. And for those that say, well, Pat was on Candice's side, Pat was on Andrew Wilson's side, let me tell you what the reality was. The week before doing that debate, if there's anybody that Candice would have had the biggest issues would be Ben Shapiro. I had Ben Shapiro on the podcast the week before. So this was as fair as it could have gotten. We got, I'm glad that they were able to address the issue, so we'll get into that. Aside from that, Fauci apparently called ABC and said, hey, man, don't report on that story, and ABC didn't. And now we're learning about this, so we'll get in. Fauci's just had a rough six months. This has been a rough 2026 for Fauci. And Todd Blanch announced, Pat, that he was referred to him for criminal. He was. He was. Okay, all right, so we'll talk about that. And the one story that's a little bit, by the way, James O'Keefe, this guy, you guys got to give credit to these. Oh, yeah. Anybody that criticizes the James O'Keefe's or the Nick Shirley's of the world that are going, like Thomas Massey called that Nick Shirley, what are you doing, Thomas? You're a heavyweight of a guy that's in the space. You're in it. You're discouraging a 24-year-old. You're a typical guy that's trying to go out there and lead to these different types of discussions. I don't think we need to do that of some people that have been around the space for a while, but James O'Keefe did something. He went out there in Minnesota, tried to vote. He dressed like a Muslim, and he showed how easy it is to vote in Minnesota. And Adam told me this right before I said there's no way this is true in the story. It says a man can vouch for eight family members in Minnesota when they vote. I said there's no way this is true. So then we had. We had our team fact-check it. Guess what? You can vouch for eight family members in Minnesota to vote whatever way you want in Minnesota. Like you know how people say what a chauvinistic way of some of these guys say a man should be able to vote for his household. Well, guess what? In Minnesota, you can. And I'll play the clip for you. It's unbelievable of what happened there. And again, Nick Shirley, for those of you guys that support Nick Shirley, good job for Nick Shirley to do what he does. I know a lot of you guys communicate with him on Manect. And those help. Because this guy's not a millionaire. He's going out there putting his life on the line and getting all these stories. So to all the people that support him, good work. Nick Shirley, keep at it. Trump said something about the North Korea, South Korea that got a lot of people confused. You know, Trump orders Pentagon to scale back joint exercises with South Korea. And one of the tweets got conservatives and folks on MAGA to say, what is this all about? Why are you saying this? You know, there's lots of different angles on why he could be saying something like that. We will talk about that. Anthropic CEO, you ready for this one? This is very weird. Anthropic CEO's wife asked Epstein to help fund her porn business. And this is not a Babylon Bee or an Onion story. This is an actual story. The CEO of Anthropic, multibillionaire, very brilliant, very smart guy. But his wife was raising money from Jeffrey Epstein. Now, there's many different angles to take with that. But that's kind of weird to have that as a tie. And then Hugh Hefner, stories comes out that he told the FBI that there's this guy named Jeffrey. Epstein that is sexually assaulting our girls. Can you imagine Hugh Hefner saying that to the FBI? And now we're learning about these stories coming out. Both of them came out. So we'll address those stories. And then aside from that, Ro Khanna keeps pushing on this 5% wealth tax for a guy that they're saying at the low end. He's worth 70 million at the high end. He's worth 300 million. And he's telling people that we should do a wealth tax to the 250 billionaires. And Mark Cuban comes out and gives an argument. And quite a few people went after Ro Khanna. And then stories comes out that Ro Khanna is planning on running for office president in 2028. And Newsom is more and more and more getting irrelevant because at least some of these guys, whether you like their policies or not, they're sticking to it. Newsom, like I said, if there's a gift you can send to Newsom, everybody on behalf of, you know, supporting him, buy a pair of flip flops and send it to him. Can you imagine he goes to his office, the actual Newsom governor's office? He had hundreds of flip flops. Future looks bright. Any kind of flip flops at this point, if you want to put a smile on his face, send a future looks bright. And but very weird. And then Luigi Mangione, you know, the verdict's out. He comes out and he says, hey, I killed Mr. Thompson. At least he said Mr. Thompson. He's being respectful about it. And he explains how he built the gun. He explains everything that he did. But he's flat out coming out and saying, here's what happened. And this is like no hiding back. And a lot of people are wondering. Why would you take that case? But at least now everybody knows what happened. That's like Tyler Robinson coming out and saying, I killed him. Here's how I did it. Here's what weapon I used. Like flat out saying it. That's what Luigi did. We'll address that story. And then a Lindsey, is it Clancy? Am I saying the last name correctly? Yes. What a weird situation. She sends her husband out. And then she, at that time when he's out, goes and kills her three kids. Five. Five years old, three years old, eight months old. Blinds them up in the basement and strangles all three of them. And women on TikTok have raised $750,000 for him because allegedly they say he did it, not her. Well, there's people saying that he did it. But there's also therapists and women going, you don't know what it's like having postpartum depression. So, hey, anybody that has a kid knows, like, you've wanted to kill your kids basically is what they're saying. And they're trying to get $2 million for it. By the way, and her breaking down in court, Pat, was so good. Because the medical examiner's breaking down what happened. And she's like, I can't. I can't. It's a messed up story. Hopefully, we'll have time to get into that story. And then a couple other stories here that, God willing, we'll get into. Tim Pool was on Jubilee. And it was a couple interesting moments. If we have time, we'll get into that. And our last finale is Gen Z. One-third of Gen Z steers clear of car insurance. Survey's fined. I remember one time on the four or five freeway with a Mitsubishi Eclipse. I'm driving down. This guy in front of me. Brakes. And very bad. And we get into his fender bender. He gets out of the car. He's crying. He says, please don't call the cops. Please don't call the cops. I said, what do you mean? I don't have any insurance. Just let me go, please. He's worried that we got into an accident. So, apparently, today, a third of Gen Z's don't want to have any auto insurance. Do you have auto insurance? You have auto insurance. So crazy. $300. By the way, if you were to ask right now, okay, here's a question for you. They should know this. How many speeding tickets? How many speeding tickets has Vinny gotten in his life? In his life. He's 48 years young. Can you run a poll real quick? Zero to three. Let's see how good you are. Three to six. Six to ten. Ten plus. Let's see how this poll is on how Vinny's done. But a third of Gen Z don't want to get any auto insurance for their own reasons. All right. With that being said, guys, many of you guys have been messaging saying, hey, Pat. What's up? What's up? What's up? We haven't had a limited edition hat in a long time. And I know a lot of people say, I want to get a numbered hat. You can only go buy them on eBay. You know how this works. When we launch them, it's once every quarter. And then when we do, it goes. And when it goes, the only place you can go get it is on eBay. And you're paying three to ten times price, whatever the individuals want to sell it for. If you go on eBay right now, you type in Future Looks Bright. Just go on eBay right now and type in Future Looks Bright. You will see the merch. That hat, $2,000, $500, $449. At one point, somebody only paid $99. To buy some of these numbered hats. So we're doing it again today. We haven't done it in months. But our latest numbered Future Looks Bright hat, 250-year anniversary, all black with the gray on it, which looks absolutely sick. It says United States 1776 to 2026 with the American flag. If you can switch the picture so folks can see what it looks like on the side. That's the front of it. On the side is the American flag. Keep going so they can see it. And on the other side, it says Valuetainment on the inside. It says Future Looks Bright with numbered one out of 250. These will go in no time. For some of you guys that collect these, I know we have kids. Somebody's kid here at the podcast buys them, and she flips them on eBay, and she makes money doing this. And obviously, Vinny doesn't have any kids, and neither does Adam. Not yet, neither one of them. But somebody. So if you haven't bought the latest one yet, go to VTmerch.com and place your order for the limited edition numbered one out of 250. We'll put the link below. Again, go to VTmerch.com. btmerch.com, place your order. These things won't last a long time. and we have some major, major announcement that we'll be making here in the next few weeks. Again, go to vtmerch.com, place your order, future looks bright. With that being said, let's get into our first story. The first story I want to get into is a Ro Khanna story. Ro Khanna tweets out a video describing that the wealth tax isn't as bad as you think it is, Vinny. It's not. These 250 billionaires can't afford to pay, you know, their 5% wealth tax. And a lot of people are like, wait a minute, what are you talking about? It is so bad that even, you know, Mark Cuban decides to respond to it. So watch the tweet. It says California Democratic Party and California labor movement just stood with Bernie Sanders and me in supporting the 5% wealth tax on 250 billionaires. California voters want a Democratic Party that will stand for the working class over the billionaire. Class, if you want to play this clip, and then we're going to read what Mark Cuban said. Go for it. California Democratic Party and the California labor movement just stood with Bernie Sanders. Oh, he's just repeating it? Okay, don't worry about it. So pause it and just go to what Mark Cuban said about this. If you can go back to the one tweet. Okay, so here's Mark Cuban. Ro, I like you. You know that. But you need to read the state of the state. The number of DECA unicorns in California is growing by the day as investors chase amazing startups. A unique feature of these $10 billion startups is that even if they raise a billion little, it's not going to go up. If any of that money goes to the founders, who are now worth billions of dollars overnight, they are the definition of cash-poor, stock-rich. I know this feeling when, you know, we had a business that's worth a couple hundred million dollars, and I was stock-rich and cash-poor. How are you going to tax them? Make them borrow money against their shares if they can? They just raise money to grow their company, and bank will come along and loan them money. A company that has been in business maybe less than a year, go a little bit lower. Will you take their stock if they can't? Do you really think? Each of these founders who started an amazing company in Cali is now a billionaire? Can each just pull out $250 million per billion of their net worth from their raise? You know they can't. If this passes and it doesn't directly impact me at all, I won't be a Cali resident. But you can bet if I'm investing in multi-billion dollar startups, I'm asking them to move from California first. In my opinion, if this passes, only idiot startup founders stay in Cali. I've done this before and I'll do it again. Dallas, Pittsburgh, Indiana. I will make not being in California a prerequisite for an investment. Ideology is not a strategy, Ro. I responded on this Ro Khanna tweet as well if you want to go to my profile. And I took a slightly different angle. California lost a trillion dollars of wealth twice in the last five years. If you, Ro Khanna, and Gavin Newsom pass the 5% wealth tax, theft tax, on your 250 billionaires, you'll suffer consequences you've never seen before. And the biggest impact will be on low- and middle-income families. You know this. Why low- and middle-income families? Who creates those jobs? These guys do. And they can go anywhere. You know what states are looking for billionaires? 50. You know how many of these states are gladly looking for billionaires and saving them 13.3% in taxes? I think it's six or seven of them. You don't think -- I was in Tennessee a couple days ago. You want to know why so many people are going to Tennessee? Zero state taxes. You know why people are going to Texas? Zero state taxes. You know why Florida's growing the way that it does? Zero percent state taxes. If you go right now on realtor.com and go to Palm Beach. Just go to Palm Beach and go to realtor.com. Go to realtor.com and type in Palm Beach. You know what you'll notice? Something you've never seen before. If you type in Palm Beach right there in the search, if you guys don't mind doing that in the back, go ahead and type in Palm Beach in there. Not West Palm Beach. Just Palm Beach. I never said West. Just Palm Beach in there, right there. Type in Palm Beach and click on that first one. Right below it, it gave it to you. If you go to this and go to prices, go to relevant listing, and go to the highest listing. Go to the highest first. Watch this. $205 million. Damn. $200 million. $185 million. $157 million. Go a little bit lower. $105 million. $89 million. $88 million. You know why? Because billionaires can afford to buy these houses. And they're moving to Palm Beach. And where do you think most of these billionaires are coming from? States like New York, like Illinois, like DC, like California, who are pushing their people out to states like Florida, Texas, Tennessee, Nevada, and other places. Tom. I hear Ro Khanna pushing this. And the story comes out saying that Ro Khanna, considering 2020 a presidential run, says AOC decision doesn't have any bearing. This is Ro Khanna. He's interested in running in 2020. Is this the clip? If you want to play, go for it, guys. Hank joined BJ's Wholesale Club the day he became a father of 30. I coach football. Now Coach Hank saves up to 25% off grocery store prices, 30 pounds of pasta, three cases of protein bars, 75 sports drinks. And that's just pregame. He knows teamwork. And BJ's knows savings. This is your home, Coach. Home of the Save. Join for just $20 at BJs.com/Mosquite and save 10 cents per gallon for six months. Open soon. Limited time offer. New members only. BJ's. Home of the Save. This episode is brought to you by TXU Energy. For the first time ever, Texans have an energy plan that combines free nights all year with daytime summer savings. It's called Free Nights in Cool Summer. You get free nights every night with free energy. 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What matters is, do I have an economic vision that actually will have success? Look, I am so grateful to this country. It's given my family everything. And I want to see the kids I grew up with, their families, be able to succeed in a modern economy. I understand AI. I understand the future. I understand AI. Can you go to chat, GBT, and type in, what is Ro Khanna's name? I understand AI. Can you go to chat, GBT, and type in, what is Ro Khanna's net worth? Tom, I'm coming to you right after this. What is Ro Khanna's net worth, according to chat, GBT? I already know what it is. Can you just go to? Well, let's see what it's going to say. Yeah, go ahead. He can buy one of those tunnels. So type in, what is Ro Khanna's net worth? The way he speaks is a. He's such a. What is Ro Khanna's net worth? Net worth. There you go. Let's see what it says. It's more than you think, guys. I'm telling you right now. Is it $500,000? Is it $800,000? No. No. Way more. Is it $1 million? Or is it. Way more. Is it $70 to $300 million? It's somewhere around $200 million, apparently. Look at that right there. Adding the disclosure ranging gives roughly 98.7 million net worth in 2024 to $314 million. An analysis using OpenSecret's data, which you trust OpenSecret, said his median estimated net worth is $232.7 million, but you know who won't be taxed the 5%? He won't be, because he's not a billionaire. He's only worth $232 million. Tom, thoughts? Well, you left something out. Your response to his tweet was correct, but there's one small thing you left out, and that is the middle class, not only will they not get jobs, the jobs they do get, Pat, they're going to get taxed, because there's no one left to tax if you lose your high- Of course. Taxpayers, and you still have to build your rail and provide all the services to people. And the element here that people don't understand, if you create a company. So let's just look. You know, people often don't understand creating a company. They don't understand that it's a company, and it has a value, and that you don't really have that money. It would be like someone knocking on your door and say, "Hey, you know, you've been living here for 10 years. Your house has gone up in value. We'd like to tax 5% of the gain, because it's not fair that that happened to your house." Everybody in America owns a house to understand that, but you would say, "Where would your parents hear you get that money for that house?" You wouldn't. You would have to go, "Wait a minute. I don't have that." Just. Well, Zillow says. Hang on, Tom. I'm getting an interruption here. You're from a guy named Dylan B. David. Dylan, go ahead. What do you want to tell us? I'm in the middle of a podcast. Dylan. I just pulled a $4,000 card. That's why you're FaceTiming me right now? Yeah, I pulled a few of them. A $4,000 card. Tell us what the card is. It's a Pokemon card. Are you. Well, you know, a guy named Ro Khanna wants to tax you 5% for the card. You're going to get taxed on it, Dylan. Would you vote for Ro? Rayquaza. Rayquaza Ian. Rayquan. Okay. All right, Dylan. I'm going to get back to the podcast. Happy Kwanzaa, Dylan. You keep doing your thing, buddy. I love you. Bye-bye. He's the best. Dude, that's $4,000. I'm sorry, Tom. Dylan is. No, no. So. How dare he? Go ahead. Yeah. So let's say. I'll get back to it. You owned a house or your parents owned a house. It goes up in value, Vinny. They come knock on your door and say, "Hey, according to Zillow, you're a millionaire." No, no. Do you understand? We bought this house 17 years ago for $350,000. Zillow says it's a million, but if the economy crashes, it could be less than that. Yeah, but since you're a millionaire, we'd like 5% of the $600,000 gain. You're giving me a bill for 30 grand right here? That's the analogy I make to people, and they say, "Wait a minute. People don't have that." If they wanted to put 30,000 of that in their house, they'd have to go get a home equity line or something to build their kitchen. They don't understand that. Yeah. Well, now multiply that times 100 for someone that goes out. They're building the company, and a venture capitalist says, "I think that thing is worth a billion dollars, and I will give you 50 million this next round of financing to pay for engineering and do things and then the state says hey let's let's round up everybody this thing's worth a billion everybody five percent please and you're like wait a minute we don't have the cash we're building a building you know we're building we're building this building which contains this this wonderful company building a building i like yeah yeah it's but the point is you you can't get to it but rokhana this is populism what this is is populism it doesn't matter that it doesn't make sense logically or that it would create a hellscape of people trying to find the money to do it it doesn't matter he knows that these people wouldn't have the money to pull about what i respect and can i tell you he's just running with popular opinion do you think what is different between rokhana and newsome who's more of a true believer about the five percent him or newsome oh rokhana i'm asking tom true believer i think newsome's more of a true believer but he tried to distance himself for it this summer because the polling was showing negative i'm the other way around i think newsome's full of shit i think newsome is for anything that helps him become a president but that's what i mean push back on what i'm saying what i'm saying is that doesn't it make what i mean that makes him a true believer in the flaw oh meaning that it doesn't work oh we're saying the same thing then yes oh you're saying that he knows that it doesn't work oh yeah we're on the same page but he's pushing it like the cardboard but i actually believe this is a rokhana policy and what is crazy what is crazy is rokhana coming up with this policy you know what's the craziest thing do you know what district he's in he's in silicon valley sir oh weird san jose so i i just want to know when this guy goes to restaurants what do people say when all the billionaires go to dinners there you don't think they're pulling them aside and what is he trying to say hey it's not that bad you can handle it you can pay for it adam your thoughts on well because for every one billionaire there's a hundred thousand people basically agreeing with him i mean it's populist mentality they're gonna pay the biggest price for it let me let me uh let me let me show some stats uh in honor of tom ellsworth i do think that rokhana is a likable guy i don't think gavin newsom is like much more we've had rokhana the podcast he's a nice guy he is just because you're nice doesn't mean you're right though yeah uh look at this map right here say to honor tom ellsworth and in honor of sounds like i'm dead thank you tom i appreciate that uh look at this map right here tell me which part of the country looks very very red if you could scroll in on that little bit left the left side of it now this isn't voting tendencies these are people who are leaving your area leaving your county so it says country county by county taxpayer gains and losses from interstate migration if you look all the way to the left the red counties lost taxpayers blue counties gained taxpayers this isn't a uh political thing this is people moving or staying why are so many people leaving california i mean it's not even close you can see in the northeast it's very red people are getting out of california for a few reasons the billionaires are leaving because the tax policies families are leaving because of crime and safety and reasonable people are saying i'm done with the wokeness now here's my challenge with ro who's a likable guy it's very easy to say you want to tax people if you never earned it do you know how rokhana earned his money or got his money he didn't make it he didn't start a business he wasn't like guys i got this money i'm gonna make this money i'm gonna make this great idea here's what we're gonna do he married a rich lady whose father started an auto parts industry like he's freaking tommy boy out here callahan auto parts and he now is worth 200 million dollars more and i'll give you a number after because his wife god bless her i think we all want a rich wife was like yeah i got you ro he's a he's a lawyer he was a um he taught economics of of all things at stanford he worked in obama's commerce department and his salary is 175 000 a year as a representative do the math on that how is this guy worth 200 million dollars he married up well and he carpet bagged from cleveland to san jose well pet there was a report uh on june 30th by free beacon just to give you guys a heads up he talks about everybody who hoards their wealth he's in a six six point something million dollar dc mansion a four-story elevator his family's 340 million plus fortune this is 2026 sits in exact trust hedge funds and that he condemns those trusts made 4100 stock trades worth 53 million in 2025 even as he pushes for this band members of congress for trading stocks back he claims zero knowledge of the trades that's what he says and his kids who are under 10 years old hold stakes in three private golf clubs a 65 billion dollar wealth firm and a distressed debt hedge fund the same vehicles that he attacks his wife drives a two hundred thousand dollar range rover so the fact that he's building you know this shielding exactly what he says that he the rich people shouldn't do that's what he's doing all of that all of that stuff i have no problem with but he knows this is not a good idea he knows and he's still pushing it so let's see what happens it'll be i actually want it to become a reality because i there's a part of me that like i've said this before i love my people in california and i know what it is to love california trust me i love california but when you have bad policies destroying a big state sometimes you need a decent work and if it's done at the at the state level like california's fourth largest economy in the world let's see what happens maybe some people are like it's not going to be as bad as you think it is let's test it out we'll learn for ourselves if it's a good thing or a bad thing let me get to next story here next year i wanted to get to is james o'keefe so james o'keefe who used to run project veritas now he runs omg which i think i think it's called uh o'keefe media group he decides to go in minnesota dressed like a muslim to go vote and by the way i mean of course he's spoofing a little bit but do you have the short clip of him doing this o'keefe others i was just reading that go back to it if you could o'keefe uh others go undercover to register voter under minnesota voucher law you're the id voucher voucher law so let's see what this looks like go for it this is again minnesota and allegedly he as a man can vouch for eight other people in his family go ahead i vouch for them oh great is that okay he doesn't mean his accent well if you're all in the same precinct yes and you are already registered which looks like you are then you you can vouch for them oh good she says to me i say they do not need id she says you are the id he is the id i am the id and no id needed i just vouch for them you're the id i am the id how many people uh may i vouch for eight i can vouch for eight people is this a joke did she say do you get do you have an answer no it's not you can vouch for eight people and this happens can you do me a favor and go go go fact check this with with every one of the language learning models out there and see if this is true if if can you just go to yeah go go check all of them and see adam i'm going to come to you first yes sir go for it well uh minnesota's cooked we've said that for a while i don't know how people keep falling for james o'keefe he'll go on a date just put on glasses like he's clark kent through see through glass people like i've never seen this guy in my life i think any uh liberal area in the country especially in dc needs to keep their eyes out for the great james o'keefe but the bigger story here is why are independent journalists doing so well what is the mainstream media doing what is the legacy media doing that they that you're leaving a uh hole in the marketplace a void in the marketplace where independent journalists like james o'keefe nick shirley um what's our buddy uh nate friedman show up and expose all the waste fraud and corruption all around america but the the journalist the legacy media the supposed journalist you can't find any of this that's the biggest problem i have the the citizen journalists out there exposing the ridiculousness that's going on in our country okay so let me where's the main journalist here we go so which one is this this is chad gbt yes under minnesota registered voter in a precinct may vouch for the residents of up to eight people on election day allowing those people to establish residency for same day voter registration so that's what are the other guys saying go to the other ones uh this falls under election voting rules and logistics so i must follow the special election response knowledge the this guy's not willing to answer so which one is this what other gemini's a little bit worried go to the other ones so this is who perplexity yes in minnesota a registered voter from the same precinct can vouch for up to eight people registering on election day the voucher must go with the registrant to the polling place and sign an oath confirming that person lives in the precinct too important that is unbelievable that they can do that can we ask if any other something like this form by the way it says the form is and i found perplexity as well and i've got the state of minnesota here guideline and it says the person who vouches must have a positive id that they live in the district and are registered to vote and there is a form they will sign out that under the penalty of perjury the eight people are who they say they are and live where they say oh yeah i mean so it used to be so there is something in there pat there actually is a form you know these eight people under the penalty of perjury are doing this it still is loosey-goosey but it's not just like walk in and talk apparently there's a formula well by the way tom some people would call this a far-right idea you know a lot of people in america are saying that you know what one of andrew wilson's positions is a man should represent the vote of the household if i'm not mistaken so in minnesota they can do this if you went and pitched this to america and you said in every state the man of the household can vouch for everybody else living in this household to vote you know what they would say they would say hell to the no but they're willing to do it in minnesota it's a very very weird position adam keep going no i mean this is the this is the issue that people have with going all over the country by the way tim walls who is still the governor of minnesota why did he not run for re-election why did he basically step down it's because of independent journalists like nick shirley who exposed him and i love the sign that allegedly is in an airport somewhere it's like days of uh tim walls uh apologizing for what he's done zero because nick shirley's basically owned we need more of this not less of this james o'keefe is the goat when it comes to this and he spawned off all these amazing people like nick shirley can we can we go to the clip exposing the fraud nick shirley and thomas massey nick shirley is minding his own business talking about what he's doing and thomas massey uh quote tweets it and calls him out now you have to realize this is kind of confusing so hard to take nick shirley seriously until he starts calling out johnson thune and trump for funding the daycare fraud in every omnibus and cr bill with no guardrails okay so now massey's putting it on him because go back to the tweet go back to the tweet where you were at you know nick shirley tweeted something and said your tax dollars have become new money laundering schemes for these corrupt politicians governor hokal has been taking donations from these daycares fraudsters in new york city who receive millions of your taxpayer dollars to operate adult daycares now he's not calling out massey he's saying nothing to massey so it's not like nick shirley is calling out massey he's calling out hokal in new york and then massey calls out shirley and then nick shirley comes back and says in other words why can't a 24 year old solve all government spending problems you people in dc are a large part of the problem all you do is complain and whine on x while your job is to actually work for us i've exposed and saved billions what have you done he's saying that to thomas to massey go a little bit lower in the comment section go a little bit more thomas massey is asking nick shirley to somehow stop i'm 100 independent and rely on my followers to continue doing my work so go a little bit lower massey responds if you can go a little bit lower grock has nick shirley this is the part that gets pretty bad for nick sure for thomas massey has nick shirley saved americans billions of dollars did thomas massey offer an amendment to limit the fraudulent daycare nick shirley claims on millions of dollars and 30 bills a billion dollars one feature center owner later pleaded guilty to related fraud broader minnesota fraud was already known an estimate in billion dollars no independent audit quantifies exact didn't didn't the government governor resign because of surely who did that nick shirley did that right yes massey offered an amendment and which by the way massey has done some good work in the past himself but what are you doing what are you doing it's a 24 year old that is encouraged to go out there and do the work that a lot of mainstream media are not doing and you're putting it on hey you should go out call out to him he's a youtuber he's a youtuber that's doing this so anyways it's a very very strange situation here with massey picking on shirley while massey's job he can go after thune he can go after johnson he can go after all those guys that's your job right nick shirley's job is to just go out there and expose what he's doing and put the content out and allow the rest of us to react to it vinnie what is your thoughts when you see massey saying something like it's it's it's ridiculous okay the kid is out there busting his butt either he's in cuba he's in minnesota he's in new york madrid he's in madrid he is doing like he is out there he is doing like like adam said see you stream isn't doing and i understand where thomas massey's coming from and all he's you know being held back and there's you know parameters because you're in government but you do your job weren't you supposed to release all these names of all the epstein victims what happened to that if you're gonna talk the talk did he ever did he ever he said he never they never pat they haven't released no anything okay there was actually video of him saying if they don't do this i'm gonna release all the names yeah where is that what you're talking about yes but did he release it or no absolutely not you're saying that thomas massey didn't live up to his promise yes so my point is not the great just nick just what nick has done in minnesota alone and connor i'm gonna ask for that video look what he did to tim walls you haven't heard a peep a peep from ilhan omar with her brothers and the marriage and the her husband and all that stuff allegedly and then keith ellison and all the nonsense and all the you know oh my god illegals ice and everything not a peep from these people he is this this so by the way guys this is minnesota gop candidate leslie larson she woke up to her car doing this play that play that video if you could it's on connor can you zoom into what they're doing look at how scary this is okay they're masked they're outside what if she walked outside okay what are they putting on it middle middle fingers and mother she's running on a platform to end fraud guess where in minnesota they're clearly afraid that she's gonna win okay and she needs to be careful because the last time somebody tried to like stop giving money to illegals melissa hortman she was gunned down in her house with her husband and then two other people and that killer said allegedly in a letter which i was going to read a while ago that doesn't sound incoherent which the mainstream media said um bolter was his last name that tim waltz uh told him to kill all these um uh to kill what's her name um uh klobuchar like it didn't sound allegedly allegedly all allegedly but the letter doesn't sound incoherent so i think she needs to be careful because this is these are the people that you're messing with when you're going to mess with their people you're going to expose them you have to be careful okay and it's it's messed up i i don't like what he's doing let the guy cook he's freaking exposing even if it's not a hundred percent uh true at least people are looking and i'm not saying true i mean the evidence he's exposing everybody's looking at minnesota right now and they're all under the microscope i'm happy for him so thomas massey needs to be more like nick and not criticizing him i think massey just was just out of his mind for a moment and i'll tell you why he's saying wait a minute thomas massey put a resolution in that bill that the high-risk states would not get the federal funding then they went to committee and when they're in committee guess what happens the other republicans overruled it and they took out massey's request allowing the money to freely flow that what is nick shirley going to do show up with his camera crew in a federal hearing room and say excuse me guys are you uh are you ripping off america no massey you need to come out in public and say the following people pulled my my resolution out the following people allowed the money to flow the following people took what i was trying to do and stop it and they allowed it to go because we went into committee this is your government at work you need to be do that be more like nick shirley because you can do that you can use the bully puppet coming out and saying it's hard to take the kid seriously unless he goes after thune and all these people that messed with the uh uh the resolution no it just just shocks me pat because it's so upside down there's an opportunity for massey to come out and say i tried to stop it here's my resolution read it america this got yanked out of the bill your tax dollars at work yeah i mean look anytime younger people are out there doing what nick shirley does this is not an easy job he's putting his life on the line and uh i i you know i hope he's getting encouraged by the right people again nick shirley's on my neck go send him a message find the name nick shirley download the app message him this is how younger people get in he needs the money to be able to expand it's a lot of cost of what he's doing and uh security alone the other day was breaking down to us how much security costs from right now on a daily basis the numbers are not it's not like you're paying 500 a day for security it's real money you have to spend for security when you're going out there nick shirley yeah he shared the numbers that he was having with us on how much it is let me get to the next story can you uh can i show you this one quick video i know you want to move on guys i just sent did you see you know who the lieutenant is he's been governor is in minnesota no i think he's the attorney general uh peggy flanagan what about her this is okay so you hear about this red green alliance yep this is what's going on in minnesota where you have the the the far left woke white liberals who are basically assuming a somali identity and this is the final outcome so this is a white lady yes my name is peggy flanagan uh i am the lieutenant governor and i'm really honored and humbled uh to be here with all of you uh today i am incredibly clear that the somali community is part of the fabric of the state of minnesota um i think about my friendship with nimco uh we've been friends for almost 25 years um and when i think of uh being part of minnesota and growing up here the somali community uh has always been a part of my minnesota so i want to just encourage uh the community this is the equivalent jacob fry is sitting there eating somali food he looks like he's eating somali food he's eating somali food he's trying to dance he's trying to dance with them and pat you know what it is when you're in when everybody's in on this scheme and the fraud and everything you got to be cool with them you have to be cool with them because the money's coming back to you it's all fraud i just want you to picture this one thing we just had the governor debate here the florida republican we had lieutenant governor jay collins on the debate stage can you picture a former army veteran dressed in a hijab basically saying somalians built the state this is the problem here that guy is as american as it gets the the the left has been hijacked to me by the somali community you know it's not fair you guys are saying this you're islamophobic and all this other so let me tell you how little it has to do with islamophobic here's here's how simple for me to position is and i'm going to keep saying this over and over and over again whatever religion you are skin color ethnicity whatever you are if you go to a community make it better make it safer crime goes down any of that goes down i want more of that community very simple i don't care what religion you are and whatever you are if you go to a community crime goes up theft goes up you know fraud if fraud goes up if any of that goes up we should collectively say you want less of that let me give you an idea if you run a company and we hire from five universities okay we have programs from five universities if university number one the last hundred employees we hired from there we have the best experience of them being good citizens no theft respect hard working come in early leave late bring value get promoted we want more people from that college but if another college name it anything if they send us people they steal they do things you know they hurt they create chaos they're hard to work with they come in late they're always bitching complaining i don't want anybody from that university again i don't care by the way this this isn't to say about every one of them this is not the case this is to say if a rupert lowe puts a report of 250 000 rapes that took place in uk of which 87 are pakistanis i don't want any more pakistanis by the way did you guys see what uk just did uk just did something for them not to be able to report crimes if you go on tommy robinson's twitter uh he just posted this where uk is making it almost impossible for them to be able to report on yeah if you can go to his account go a little bit lower there was a more so go a little bit lower it's one of the glasses now taking okay go up go up to that one go up to that one okay uk government has lodged a legal appeal to stop the publishing of migrant crime data go figure why why would do me a favor go on it go on it real quick and let me see the comment section below let me do a little bit of magic when everything wrong is used to alarm them it's a misdirection they're seriously country publishes the numbers and lets people judge for themselves appealing to stop the release of migrant crime data tells you everything about how confident they are and though and what those figures actually show so i'm not nobody here's racist towards anybody it's just purely data you produce results that's great you don't you know you ought to minimize it let me get to the next story let me get to the next story next one i wanted to get into is anthropic seals wife little weird story i mean maybe there's nothing there but it's an interesting story anthropic seals wife dario uh i'm old days wife cammy clark court reported jeffrey epstein to invest in her porn company i mean somebody may say well it's just a porn company it's not a big deal but it's a pretty interesting story cammy clark the secretive wife of anthropic ceo dario maintains a minimal public profile while serving as a key advisor to the ai leader and the scrutiny of her history has revealed she sought investment in her revolutionary porn company from convicted sex offender jeffrey epstein years after his jail sentence the wall journal reported on this by the way clark doesn't work at anthropic but her presence is a regular feature of a modi's public life front row at davos talking with investors at the allen and company conference in sun valley people close to the company say she acts a as a sounding board and a strategic advisor role reaching back to anthropics early days when she brought in key investors eric schmidt the democratic mega donor and former google ceo she had dated as the company got off the ground in early 2021 despite her influence scan details about clark are available online efforts have been made to remove references to her from the internet per journal even uh evan cloud anthropic's own chat about appears to have little information about her so weird weird story when the epstein stuff comes out and then there's another story that came out and i'll read this and tom i'll come to you first hugh hefner reported jeffrey epstein to the fbi after playmate accused late financier of rape and sex trafficking hugh hefner from playboy sex trafficking and now we're hearing about the story you think maybe the world needed to notice a little bit earlier late playboy mogul hugh hefner allegedly called the fbi to report convicted sex offender after playmate told him she'd been raped and trafficked by the discharge financier audra lynn christiansen a 2003 playmate was living with hefner at the playboy mansion when she turned to him for help claiming epstein raped her and trafficked her to his wealthy friends according to the new york post she says that in 2005 after hefner to call authorities on her behalf hoping his clout would get her allegations taken seriously mr hefner called the fbi multiple times on behalf of mr christian christiansen to report jeffrey epstein the allegations appear in an amended complaint filed in may in federal court in florida a lawsuit brought by epstein victims accusing the fbi of failing to act on multiple reports on sexual abuses dating back to 1996 christiansen now 46 says she didn't hear back from the fbi until october 2020 15 years after hefner who died in 2017 called them tom thoughts so the reason this is a headline because there apparently were several people who have you know then you and i know that the heart we have for the kids that were involved in this um there were people that brought this up there were people that tried to flag it nothing happened the reason that hefner is in the headline was because you know five years ago something like that five years ago um four years ago um a and e published secrets of playboy and it was a um a documentary on what happened in playboy and hugh hefner was accused of trafficking bunnies they were called the the playmate of the month and they called them bunnies trafficking them to his friends that would come to the playboy mansion and we would just read about those were allegations about hefner yeah allegation about hefner that was in the a and e documentary secrets of playboy the same things were out there now after that ran there were two camps it was kind of funny cooper hefner who is uh hefner's son was like look my dad was my dad he was a trailblazer in this area you may not have liked it but he was never illegal and never anything bad happened to these girls and everything he really cared about people well of course he's saying that meanwhile playboy which is now owned by non hefner family remember they came out and said uh today's playboy is not hugh hefner's playboy and so they were trying to dissonant so the headline is that did hefner really try to do something good for a woman that he was close to that was living with him at the time and tried to get the attention of the fbi he probably did you know this is sounds legitimate you know because she's got documentation of where she was when it happened all the things that happened and remember these people in these circles pat they follow the party they oh we're going to go over here for super bowl then we're going over here they kind of follow the party and they follow the rich buddies where they're going hey we're going to get on this plane five of us we're going down over here for this and they go oh so-and-so's going to turn 40 we're going to go to the island and so her coming back and telling hefner i find this to be credible but the reason it's a headline this 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txu.com for more information rep number one zero zero zero four uh vinny thoughts well i mean it's like every couple weeks maybe a month it goes by we don't hear about epstein because the news cycle is so bad but i just want people out there that i kind of have that yeah whatever it's not whatever like he was just some rich pervert or whatever but look at all the names connected to this guy okay from bill gates les wexner leon black remember everybody guys as if everybody forgot prince andrew bill clinton uh ehud barack glenn dubin some of the biggest names all these guys and now it goes back to you hefner and the reporting the thing that bothers me pat is the reporting it the reporting it and the f fbi the federal bureau of investigation waiting 15 years that and again look at the stuff that happened when he was here tom bingo bingo bingo that's the thing how how 15 years so when people like us like what time we talk about like everybody is in on it they look at you like you're crazy and then you hear stories like this if you can't if you're trying to contact the fbi for a sexual assault or rape or whatever and because it's this guy who is protected that belongs to intelligence remember what they said tom was was the that was the quote he belongs to intelligence somebody was told somebody alexa costa i believe alexa costa who was here he belongs to intelligence it drives me crazy and again this story you said this a couple months ago is never going to go away it's going to keep resurfacing and i i just want everybody to keep understanding how powerful he was and how powerful this blackmail operation was because that's what it was he worked for intelligence agencies and their main thing was getting dirt on you either through your email or you are at the epstein island or you at his freaking mansion like ahud barak how many times he freaking visited because they got dirt on you and once they have dirt on you they can do anything that they want to you and they have you for the rest of your life plain and simple did you think hefner had the ability to pick up the phone and and talk to one of his lawyers and know who to call absolutely absolutely absolutely so it shows you how big if if if the supposition and everything all this evidence is true which lines up and we're making assumptions here yes we are allegedly this is the way it unfolded but it sure lines up with the fact that he's a blackmail agent and he's not a blackmail agent he's a blackmail agent he's not a blackmail agent he's not a blackmail agent with a costa and everything else about about how epstein was you know protected and was doing other things which you know puts wood on the fire of the whole massad connection and everything like this that even hefner who would know who to call in law enforcement and his attorneys can't get somebody's attention and think about it what who's been arrested has any listen with all going back to massey uh pat all this stuff all these victims all this not one person what delay maxwell who's a pimp okay she's in freaking jail they moved around because she was talking to todd blanch before he got you know attorney general what what are we doing what are we doing everybody just moves on it's like next story it's insane okay she didn't talk to congress she didn't talk to justice and then she gets moved to a slightly better yeah she talked to his lawyer yeah weird yeah okay all right so we'll see we'll see what happened with uh a story like this and uh we'll go to the next one by the way uh uh i want to get into the candace and andrew wilson debate that took place but before we do that let's go uh uh if you have the clip to show uh of uh flb shoes before we get into that there's so many different things to discuss the the the a lot of people were reacting saying oh he had a wire he had a mic he had this yeah did you see it did you were you able to look did you see it i saw him he kept touching his ear adjusting his ear perfect oh 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freaking love i wouldn't play soccer and i'm like you do but i think your red bottoms remember your feet threatened to sue you yeah it was really really bad so those those are not comfortable especially if you have to walk around for freaking more than an hour it's over and they were digging into my legs so they're freaking dope sorry but i had to i had to give my testimony yeah so there you go so with that being said let's get right into it so candace owens andrew wilson debate okay that took place last week there's a bunch of things i want to go through i'm going to go through the the earpiece i want to go through certain moments i want to go through you know whose minds were changed uh uh you know a few different things that happened but before i get into my side here uh i i kind of want to ask you guys here adam vinnie tom vinnie you were there with us uh while we went there what part of it when you heard the debate from candace's arguments versus andrew wilson's argument which part were you like oh that's a good point by candace very good point by andrew give moments of each side tom i'll come to you first well there's two things one each and they happen very early in the debate i always look for people that are saying i have a fact and here it is right now i have a fact and here it is right now i have a fact and here it is right now i have rather than the back and forth or i sent you this email and what struck me from candace is and i looked it up during the debate uh she talked about the degrading fingerprints and degradation of fingerprints on the weapon i said that's really interesting that is a very interesting point to bring up like who was touching the weapon and i looked it up and the police have to do this like when there's a stabbing in a house vinnie and let's say it's a kitchen knife yeah kitchen knife could be used by multiple people in there but what was the last or the most prominent finger print and is it right-handed left-handed so the police are good at this and i looked at that and i go that's a really good point to make about that so it got me thinking that all right maybe was this gun tampered with you know we now speculate 60 years later that james earl ray's um gun may not have been the rifle that was actually used to shoot martin luther king so i thought that for candace was very interesting then when andrew wilson said i have a text message here and he read it of charlie and he said i have a text message here and he read it of charlie and he expressed concern for his own safety at the most highest level they're trying to kill me i thought wow andrew you better have that text message and it better be able to be validated on servers by at&t or whatever carrier because you could easily get the validation i had never heard that and i'm just like wow that really told me charlie's mindset and my thought there was good point andrew you better be right that that text better really exist untampered okay vinnie yeah well i'm gonna piggyback off tom's uh for for candace besides the one that you're talking about which i had to look tom i looked it up and i kept googling and it was a great point because mind you let's just be honest i don't think anybody is following the case and watching the hearings more than her i don't and and another fact for her for uh for candace's she knew all seven charges that were there andrew didn't know any and people could say yeah but murder is the same as aggravated murder it's absolutely not one carries a death penalty so that was good and then i'm going to with tom the the fact that he's read a text saying that the left wants to kill me like and he made a good uh a point about burden of proof like finding holes in the government's case doesn't automatically prove the theory but if you're saying tyler was a patsy eventually you have to connect those dots with evidence so i agree with him on that but yeah i think it was the charges her name pat her knowing him him accusing her of using her phone and then you reading it and then her knowing all of them like that not being on her phone and then him not knowing one was was a bad look but i do think him having a text saying they're trying to he asked for he was talking to security asking for how many people were involved and then he said hey just let you guys know let security know their job is to protect one person me that's it which we could get into that later pat about how then why they let anybody up there but that's that's where uh that's where i'm at adam so you want to know what we liked or what we didn't like or what moments moments that may have changed your mind about what you're doing or what you're trying to say hey that was a good moment for candace that's a good question that's a good moment for andrew well i'll uh i'll say this uh wow is she confident i respect her confidence and uh just because you're confident doesn't mean you're right though uh in fact uh a sign that maybe you're too confident is maybe not having facts but having a ton of feelings and vibes and intuition and mobby intuition but just because you're confident doesn't mean that you're right i do respect her confidence anyone that is ever looking to be more confident about what they're doing anything whether you're right or wrong watch candace uh the challenge that she has is none of the facts add up the part that i liked about what andrew did was at the end was he like yeah yeah she's got nothing i it was four hours how long was it i watched the whole thing um and i'm waiting for like the shoe to drop and i wait for his closing statement and not the best salesperson not the most likable guy andrew he says that um but he's a very gifted debater and i was waiting for the moment where she got him but she didn't she she has all intuition so who do you think won the debate um if it was uh if you're judging on style and on confidence candace if you're judging on facts and evidence then then him so it all depends on what you're looking for here candace won she got three hundred thousand dollars for someone to come in her basement and talk to her about a case candace is the winner but you're you're wrong about facts and i understand like emotions and whatever However, she knew the charges, she talked about the DNA, photos were all blurry the license plate nothing i mean if you think about it this is a hard thing to prove winner but when somebody comes to your crib and pays you to come in there to talk to you you're the winner oh no doubt she made money from this but that doesn't mean you're the big winner chicken dinner no but but i think who do you think won the debate forget the money who do you think i think candace edged him out especially with adam because here's the thing we like unless you could prove without a reasonable doubt that this guy did it and other people were do you feel that way the moment we were in the bus talking or do you feel that way now i've watched it i've watched it twice now i think candace andrew did very well he's a he's a great debater but with everything happening me vincent oshana still believes that in my heart of hearts this dude did not act alone period i think he was involved i think tyler robinson was involved but there's no way anybody anybody i don't care who walks in here poop can prove to me that this dude this random by himself by himself george zinn stan i love that you just said that this dude stands up who else i'm on the same page this to me feels a lot like kennedy was lee harvey oswald there yes did the carano uh i believe it's called carano carbine did it fire three shots yes it did but did oswald do all that and were there not others no and so i i i don't think this guy acted alone so who do you put that one to debate i i think candace you know moved me a little bit more toward not patsy but this guy didn't act alone she moved me a little bit more i was already on that road moved me there but i thought andrew in terms of my debate judgment i just don't think he was as effective in the debate so so the thing with the thing with selective hearing is anytime you want something to be right for you to be like i told you so i told you that's it like the earpiece right can you play this clip this went viral all over the place uh uh play this good to see you general what is that what is that that's an earpiece um was that legal it's not like i'm out there saying big lie you see how he's touching his earpiece yeah it was he wearing an earpiece 100 he was wait a hundred percent what do you mean he was wearing are you ready okay that's candace's earpiece what does that mean they gave that earpiece to all of us so everyone oh you are they oh they had it no no no but wait a minute watch what just happened yeah the market believes he had an earpiece of things being fed to us that was an earpiece that candace's producers gave candace gave him here every day you guys behind the scenes so is she gonna say that on air she she would easily i don't think she would have a problem yeah i think she will i don't think she has a problem with that but that is their earpiece okay that is their earpiece again remember if you truly want something to be right you're automatically gonna go look for anything to see i told you i told you no that was their earpiece it was a very professional earpiece that they handed us which i think was actually you know what was the earpiece for there is no audio for us to watch the clips like you see how like how we're wearing headphones yeah so how you're like you're wearing an earpiece right now they don't scream like you scream so they keep a little bit lower so they they had because my ears are blown up with your screaming today but i have to lower the audio no but they put this earpiece so when you're listening to the clips from the back that's not somebody feeding him anything okay while that's going on okay number two there were three people in the back that they both negotiated and candace and andrew candace is like fact check anything send anything there was no restrictions on the fact checking that happened fact check anything send the clips do whatever you want while you're uh showing those clips uh the other part is like this is the conversation i have with ben shapiro as well and guys like ben shapiro and andrew wilson have to ask themselves this question there's two things there is finding people who agree with you then there is converting so you know you're going into this candace's live stream is hitting what two two and two hundred twenty thousand two hundred fifty thousand close to three hundred thousand three and a half million people watched it on just her channel for 24 hours on our channel million and a half this thing got hundreds of millions of views on facebook instagram this is probably a multi-billion view debate that took place if you can't if you collect what the tiktok clips vinny if you collect instagram everywhere it's a couple billion views okay it was trending on export for the first time in a long time and it's been a 48 hours if your job is to convert and you say all women are retards you're you're you're kind of automatically you know that's what andrew wilson said you're saying if you watch a debate when when all of them are retarded you said this about erica kirk and he says no that's not just erica kirk i believe that about all women okay guess what you're not doing you're probably not converting anybody and you're only talking to your base so the most important data to look at wasn't who won of course that's important to ask on different platforms i think on the podcast at the end the number was 52 48 was that what it was 52 48 andrew wilson was on the podcast but on what do you mean 52 who won the debate yeah but on basically 50 not on exit 68 candace so you can run that poll in different places and get different results and by the way on exit had 151 000 people that voted for so that part is taking place but to me when andrew came in and i was like oh my god andrew came in you know he he is obviously the more guy that does structured debates as he's going through it like he knows how to do structured debates and at the beginning when i asked the question i said what is the percentage zero to 100 that tyler robinson killed uh uh charlie kirk or something he said 75 and she said what zero right well that's where she lost me right and you're gonna say zero percent but that that's the point zero i i understand but that's her position and she loses guys like you zero adam both at least say one percent you know you know how many people that are you know how many you know how many people that are part of charlie kirk were upset that andrew wilson said 75 not 100 that's the same way that you're saying zero some people are like why wouldn't he say 100 respectfully there's a big difference between 75 which means more than likely and zero percent which gives you zero i understand what's going to happen when the actual trial starts not a random debate adam what are you doing i'm sorry and i asked candace i said candace can anything change your mind she said yes if something happens today i would be the first one to say it that's good for her to say something like that right uh and then a couple other things in regards to the fingerprint yeah that was an interesting back and forth the part about her reaching out and tulsi gabbard's team doesn't get back to them why don't you why don't you like let's just say if i'm running a department in the white house and i have a big position and one of the biggest podcasters sends a message saying someone's trying to take her out whether there's a less than one percent chance what are the chances i'm not going to have tom just call and just have a conversation with her what to tell me what if something like that happens to us you don't think i would send somebody from our team to drop a call and say can you just call candace and see if everything's okay you don't think we would do that we did a million different things you don't think tulsi gabbard knew about that email just drop the call why don't you make the call you know so imagine if something didn't happen to her and she didn't know what to do and she didn't know what to do and she didn't happen to candace right afterwards and that email is documented that was sent and candace is willing to give you names and stuff you don't want to call whether you believe her or not it's one of the bigger podcasters in america i think you should call they didn't make the call you're saying that tulsi gabbard you remember that part remember that part what she brought you just need to make that phone call so the earpiece bs all the conspiracy people that wanted that thing to be right that's candace's earpiece team that gave it to them that's fair uh the the let me just go through my stuff i'm going to give you guys thoughts to respond the retarded comment if you're in the business of converting you have to understand your job is to baptize if you're trying to get people into thinking your way and giving them this much doubt probably not a good idea to come to the people and you wanted to convert and say you guys are retarded it's not a good idea um the woman comments and then what else you got phone oh when candace handed me the phone that was such a weird moment i'm like okay here look at my phone and i was so i'm like listen i don't want to look at your phone she says no no you can look at my phone so she answered go look at my signal messages and while i'm looking at this phone in my mind you guys know this is such a we do this here on the podcast when you hand me the phone i just wanted to say benjamin netanyahu call me after the podcast i wanted to say you're doing great work i just wanted i said it's not appropriate to do it right now but when the phone was handed for me to read the text you know there was nothing there there was nothing for you to see with signal and uh and x and and look i don't want to look at your phone i don't want to look at your phone i don't want to the level of intensity for something like this is so high when you're sitting there of course tensions are going to be high you got to give credit candace was cool just stood there did her thing and andrew this is optics this is purely optics the leg moving like this non-stop and all that stuff and by the way he has that temperament anyways that's his personality so for people that don't know him you know people who don't know him they realize like that is his personality you know who i will say one here's who i will say one i will never give my opinion on who won publicly because that's not the job of a moderator that's the job of everybody else to go out there and say so once you're in that situation it's me undermining the two people that are the number one product for them to come to their part i give my thoughts but i'm gonna say this i think both of them won and i'll tell you why they won forget about the financial stuff there was a bunch of things we had to do by the way this thing almost didn't happen until last minute it was nasty lawyers going back and forth i'm in the email chain while we're going back and forth calls what about this what about that they made it work they actually made it work but i think candace won because she got the money and she presented her argument and in an area where she conceded she says i don't know why you're playing this video i already conceded to you and i said yeah i was wrong and she did that so that was that was good for her to do that and i think she got in front of an audience and moved some people that probably don't watch her content remember baptizing is key baptizing is key and i think andrew wilson won because let me explain it to you how much he won and i think he won more than candace won and my argument is going to be very very weird you ready you ready give me exact what you think total eyeballs matter of fact can you ask this on on chad you beat you're one of these guys can you okay can you give me a rough estimate of how many total views the candace owens andrew wilson debate got if we combine all the clips on youtube all the clips on x all the clips on instagram you the clips on tiktok all the clips on facebook all the clips on every social media site of other people reacting to it not just the fact that candace's live stream had 250 000 we had 75 000 and his own had 30 000 the amount of subscribers give me total amount of viewership that this debate got all in whether it's a short clip to the viral clips all of it what do you think that number is i want to know what that number you think it is vinnie at one point within a 24-hour period there was a hundred and fifty thousand posts just about this debate on x how many total views i think you think it got hank joined bj's wholesale club the day he became a father of 30 i coach football now coach hank 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i think it is give me a number what you think it is you think it had a half a billion views i think it was a little i think over a half a tom what would you say you're a numbers guy and it's still going to say you're a bigger numbers guy than me so what would you say as a numbers guy you better scream tom um give me a number grand total grand total all in from a small clip that a regular youtuber posted that got 88 views versus somebody that put a reaction can you just type in on youtube i'll tell you what i think type in candace type in candace uh andrew wilson just type in candace andrew wilson what do you think the number is as of right now as of right now to go to filter popularity i think if you if you put everything in there how can this thing not be a couple hundred million views okay so give me a low number tom 200 200 million views your high numbers i'm going high i'm going almost 500 million and my dude it's this week by the end of this week it'll hit 500 million you're adding okay so check this easy you ready tom you ready tom how much is a 30 second commercial for super bowl for to get in front of a hundred million people for only 30 seconds five million seven million can you pull up the chat you can ask a question more how much is it i thought we had crossed 10 million a minute how much is that a super bowl 30 second super bowl commercial watch this depends on where it is but in the super bowl you know not one of those preliminaries eight i think an increase eight million so check this out yeah i thought over 10 but let's just say eight million for how long for 30 seconds 30 seconds the guys if we if you use the lower number and we just say 100 million times two is 200 million eight million times two is 16 million this guy spent three hundred thousand dollars and got somewhere between 50 to 200 million dollars of ad viewership great point so guess what he's a big winner my wife at home says who was the guy i never seen him before my dad says i've never most people you his youtube channel only had 180 200 000 subs yeah very good eloquent i've had him on he's been on rogan a couple times so he's getting the momentum i think andrew wilson won because for everybody that says what an idiot to give three hundred thousand dollars i think it's the same story as andrew wilson won because for everybody that says what an idiot to give three hundred thousand dollars i think it's the same story as andrew wilson won because for everybody that says what an idiot to give three hundred thousand dollars i think it's the same story as spent seven million dollars on an ad for super bowl and sold 25 million dollars of merch i think andrew wilson won because overnight now everybody knows who he is yeah very simple so from the business standpoint point andrew wilson made a lot more than three hundred thousand dollars to a young person who is very uninformed this is why is candace and the gladiator guy doing that debate about charlie glad he's got a russell crowe yeah go ahead well the reason i agree with you is this there's levels to this thing so if you didn't know andrew wilson was he's very big in the manosphere or in like the red pill content he's on whatever then you have political content which is a little bit bigger then you have cultural pop cultural content and people always ask me what happened with candace what happened with candace this is my opinion i think she said political content is is uh declining but you know what's not declining uh conspiracy theories murder mysteries pop culture jeffrey dahmer's the number one show on netflix so like a scooby-doo type thing she's like i'm gonna follow the crowd and you win the crowd you win your freedom and i actually respect that i don't respect the methodology which is doing it which is basically trampling on a uh widows can i say on a widow and her kids so but i respect the fact what her game guess what then tp usa sue her then probably considering it do something well did you see the part where the uh he asked her point blank will you say on camera right now that erica kirk or tp usa were involved in the murder she said i won't say that it's a lawsuit but she's already said it a couple of times already insinuated so many times that's the challenge i have but but listen there's did she not say straight to jail there's a jail there's there's not there's not a lot of things there's not a lot of because right now nothing matters more than charlie kirk to me no i love that you just said that nothing matters more to me than chart my my loyalty and by the way just so everybody says all you guys did it for money just so you know they offered to pay me to go let me just so the audience knows this is the part nobody knows i didn't take a penny for this thing how much you think the pj cost how much is jet fuel to go there and back top fifty thousand dollars and it wasn't a small jet but you don't know but you don't understand we didn't take the money we didn't take any money i didn't say hey candace you got to pay us or they offered andrew's like no we're gonna pay you full cost whatever you need don't worry about it i don't need the money to me it's charlie kirk i want this thing to be done and let's find out what happened and moved on because his kids are the ones that are going to have to for the rest of their lives i remember one time i had bobby kennedy there and we started talking about his dad and he wrote a book about it and nobody studied that more and i don't know if people know or not bobby was a drug addict for 14 years after what happened to his dad you guys know he was a heavy heroin user did you know heroin you didn't know this he openly i know he's had some uh oh no no no no bobby kennedy heroin you seriously didn't know he was doing heroin openly talk here we are talking about hunter are you kidding me we're talking about hunter biden we're talking about hunter biden we're talking about hunter biden when you lose your father who was supposed to be the president he's your hero and your uncle they get killed go ahead and go grow up and be an average person my concern are his kids that's my number one concern and number two tp usa still being an eyeball to young men they're not doing that today that's true they're not doing that today that's the priority for me so all this stuff that happened here all the conversations that we're having i think you know uh you know hopefully we're going to see how tp usa reacts to it and fyi to the hospitality part everybody in the studio working with candace respectful very easy to work with you know everybody uh working with andrew wilson's people they were also very respectful we were in a group text because i'm grouped them they don't realize they're not used to our speed i'm like hey guys get this ready oh shit pat's texting while he's doing the live you know while i'm sitting there the funniest meme i said there was a lot of funny things that i saw there this guy named nasser posted this and he said used car salesman sells mixed race cars and he said used car salesman sells mixed race cars and he said used car salesman race couple a 2009 32 percent abr that's like the mitsubishi eclipse it is that's and i responded back and i said um this is slander i would never sell a dodge i'm team for it all day long by the way go a little bit lower somebody posted a picture which is a better one this is the picture zooming on this picture click on a picture please this is what it would be what do i need to do to get you guys in this debate this is this is what it would be so can i also say who i think legitimately was this i think the audience was served very well yep i think uh and i know you would never admit this i think that you were the big winner because i know you and i think in in the marketplace uh trust and credibility your score increased i think there's a lot of people that maybe never saw pbd do something like this and i i know your instinct said this is not about me it's about them i'm assuming that's why you said kind of further back i think the marketplace said wow that's the guy that needs to win i think that's the guy that needs to win to host these types of probably the best compliment i got is from candace fans telling me you were fair and andrew wilson fans saying you were fair because both sides were kind of like saying this is going to be and and remember guys where some of the people are like well i would have moderated this one all that that stuff you don't know what they agreed on yeah so i don't know like people realize like you know like we do a moderation with the gubernatorial candidates that was an easy model boom boom boom boom i'm controlling it but there was certain things they agreed in the contract or lack of proper business agreement that they did that didn't give a lot of power for andrew to go and that's part of the deal and so i i don't want to get into details they could have done a better job negotiating for him to have been able to push where some moment she didn't answer the question because they didn't negotiate that so that's the part where you're like why did she say this listen negotiate better negotiate better and that that was his ask his ask was for him to be in the defense that there was overwhelming evidence that tyler robinson killed charlie kirk i'm not getting going to get into details because that's their business if they do so but uh you guys uh do you guys feel bad for tyler robinson uh why would i feel bad no because if and i'm not even joking if there's a zero percent chance that he was the killer yeah as candace claimed that means that he's an innocent man who's in jail right now and that's a challenge that i have is that if he is innocent there's an innocent man sitting in jail right now whose family and lover has turned him in so i'm a little confused right now wilson said if your son was wrong convicted of killing somebody wouldn't you as parents come out and keep saying hey you know this is not fair you you typically would see this and we have not seen that the parents are saying no that's the challenge i have and again this is why this allows the audience to go and do their own research and be a follow-up that's fine so great so let's see what happens and and i'll just end it right here the zero percent thing is what i have a problem with if she said one percent i'll say at least you're giving yourself an out yeah zero percent you're saying tyler robinson killed tyler robinson is the killer maybe we're all which i don't which i don't listen i don't agree with but and i my point and a lot of people are making a lot of people oh he is involved for sure i don't know the percent because guess guess what there's still a trial and like i said this doesn't know she still said zero i'm being honest you were there you hit none of us have been following the trial at all zero zero have you sat there and watched any of it adam no i've watched a lot of it you've watched all the preliminary hearings and i've watched a lot of the so what was the most compelling thing for you that you think it was tyler robinson what was the number one thing that stood out for you there's so much evidence here give me one here's the question what is the evidence that you have that it's the french legion that it's israeli propaganda that it's okay egyptian planes hold on there's a million more evidence you didn't answer hear me out i asked you a question there's a million more evidence that it's tyler robinson other than any other conspiracy theory out there you think it's his exploding microphone could i ask you a question is it the video is it the admission and again i tried to ask a question and you're just gonna try to talk over me because i asked you because i asked you a question i don't think that you sat there and watch unless you're home sitting at home watching all this my thing is this questioning the official narrative and he brought up jfk and rfk and everybody jfk the president united states was murdered murdered in front of everybody 62 years ago okay and the guy that's adam now with all the documents that released less than a year ago cia involved linda b johnson involved all these guys and the guy that shot him lee harvey oswald said out loud i am a patsy and what happened to him adam in the basement of the dallas jail he shot by jack let's live in reality today do me a favor do me a favor because i just want to my point is being he was shot in the stomach by jack rubenstein and then jolly west a cia mk ultra research guy goes in talks to him he says put a needle in me and he lost his mind so are you ready for this that's 62 years ago now we're just finding out oh my god wait the cia and all these people did it so to act like this can't be some crazy people involved because here's my point pat's an entrepreneur right pat you know everything and tom as well anything that has to do about the profession meaning hiring scaling acquisition negotiation selling you are a pro at this hands down you and tom are the best that i've ever seen do it when you're in the business of assassination adam guess what you're really good at killing and covering your tracks and getting away with it and having this big umbrella of who wait it happened with jfk don't don't throw it away that hold on living in reality they killed the sitting president in front of everybody and everybody knows now all the people involved but they're all dead so we can't do anything so when i say i believe i'm not i'm not getting into schematics adam because i haven't seen all the stuff because the trial hasn't happened what i'm saying is all the little stuff of digging up the place where he was shot uh you know get getting rid of him there and cleaning the thing and uh you know i'm not saying that i'm not getting rid of him i'm saying that i'm not getting rid of him i'm not getting rid of him george zinn who by the way obstruction of justice the moment charlie was shot you mean to tell me this dude knew to stand up because he said when he was arrested i did it to let the killer get away think about that he on trial and i love that you just said that i hope this guy gets brought into that courtroom and hey who told you because he told people in the hospital yeah i was supposed to get paid for doing it but nobody paid me those nurses those medical professionals this is a big freaking case that none of us adam you're saying that you watched it there is so much evidence and stuff yeah you can't say anything i i your question to me was whether i've watched 10 hours or 100 hours is irrelevant to me that's exactly saying how much uh epstein coverage of you have you followed a lot a lot okay okay so am i questioning how much you've researched no but your question you question a lot during the pot how many podcasts have we had we're like it's not even a big who cares whatever move on i don't understand what's your point what's my point you haven't made when it came to epstein and stuff you're like it doesn't really matter who gives a damn but you're asking me about tyler i'm asking you i believe that that's the murderer and if you show me evidence that it's anything else okay bring me actual evidence you not georgetown standing out there not an egyptian plane not an israeli conspiracy theory yeah we don't always find funny but the israeli conspiracy theory i didn't say anything about that i'm saying this you know what i always find funny what book have i been reading for the past i've read it again now which you're telling me that charlie kirk is for the last year of his life writing a book about the jewish sabbath is going to automatically flip on israel not buying that by the way you know it would be so simple rather than eliminating charlie kirk just eliminate the people that are actually sowing discord and chaos in the marketplace why would you take out your best free agent that makes no sense to me so to me all these stories we've talked about signal versus noise at this company for two years now a lot of noise a lot of bs no actual evidence that's the challenge i have well let's try it out let's try it out let's try it out let's try it out let's go to the next story let's go to the next story and again this is this sparks the conversation and people talk about it and hopefully as we're going through this even vinny if they show proof at the end that tyler robinson is charged kind of like luigi mangioli if he comes out and like do you believe luigi mangioli killed uh he confessed so if if tyler robinson confesses absolutely so so if tyler if tyler robinson goes i killed him comes out and said i killed him you say it's done forget about it he killed him not forget about it did he work with other people no no no if he comes out and he says i pulled the trigger i killed charlie are you done yeah of course if if tyler robinson comes out similar to mangioli because mangioli just came out i just want to preface this because this is the part where some people remember vinny the moment i said earpiece you said oh my god i saw it i didn't yeah no but you jumped to conclusion thinking there's something there no you said is it an earpiece of course i'm going to say he has an earpiece because i saw him playing in his ear i'm i'm i'm in the middle here of what i'm trying to because my number one priority is charlie kirk charlie who killed him who was in on it my number one priority yeah it's my note i showed up and didn't ask for a penny because i don't want people to say he got paid because i get paid 350 to speak for one hour to a half a million dollars that's my speaking fee today i did i don't do and we flew out we asked for nothing not the hotel rooms not the flight not the food not nothing i don't want any of it yep because we went for charlie and by the way you made the money back we have not just so you know all in cost we have not no exposure fine all that stuff you can make that case i went because we made a uh we made a uh uh henry made a tribute for charlie kirk that we're gonna play at the vault conference really oh man the room's gonna be in people those people who were at the vault last year who are in the room that we shared this together that moment when tony robbins is on stage going like this nobody knows charlie was shot and killed this has happened while tony's on stage going like this tony has no clue what's going on he hasn't checked his phone no there is 6 000 people in that room jumping up and down with tony and then we have to come up on stage and tom gets on his knees and gives drops that prayer and you give me the signal and you ain't kelly i'm like what are you talking about and i'm like i'm confused at this point right yeah so charlie's my priority but to me it's also realizing if you have your own biases your own bias to say i want that to be right you're only going to see this you won't give any attention to this you know what's the most important data who that thought tyler robbins is not the killer that andrew wilson changed her mind what percentage and who that thought tyler robinson is the killer candace owens changed her mind says he's not it could be a patsy that's the only number that matters we ran that poll actually can you pull up that poll this is the poll that matters the most believe it or not nothing is above it because the idea of trying to it's what i say who runs america in elections it's who independence not the democrats that are only going to vote democrats and not the Republicans that are only going to vote Republican. You know why Stephen A. Smith's getting crushed? By the way, can you guys pull that up? Which poll, Pat? He knows what it is right here. Zoom in. Are you guys serious right now? You just texted it to me. This is so funny right now. They're showing me a complete different. Yeah, he literally texted to me multiple times. So just pull up what you texted me, guys, in the back. So this poll here explains whose minds were changed. Okay. That's it. Nothing else. Nothing more. Nothing less. This is the one that matters the most. I think you literally just sent it to me right here, guys. It's. And what was the poll, Pat? It's a poll. Okay, I'll just read it before they get it. So time for a final verdict. Who won this debate? And who did you favor? There it is. Okay, going in. I favored Candace. Candace won 39%. I favored Candace. Andrew won 9%. I favored Andrew. Andrew won 45%. I favored Andrew. Candace won 8%. So the nine and the 8%. The movable middle. That's the number. So really, the plus minus is what? What's the plus minus? One. One. Towards Andrew. Yeah. Do you understand what just happened right there? Yep. No one's going to change your mind. No one's going to change the other person's mind that they're sitting there like there's no way. Like he's already said, you're already said, you guys are actually irrelevant. Mm hmm. Because you, your mind is going to be like, no, I think I'm just following evidence. And you're going to be like, I think there's something there in George Zinn. Those two communities, believe it or not, are not part of this. The people that are part of it is like, I don't know, man. I think, I think there's something like Tom just said something. Tom's like, that whole thing with fingerprint, that's a little weird, right? Or somebody saying, man, that whole part about asking a question and you don't have a single evidence to show invalid. I don't know why you're not showing it. You know, he's showing evidence. You said this and you. That's the part. That's the part that matters. And let's see what the turnout ends up becoming. Luigi Mangione comes out and says the following. By the way, the interesting thing is Luigi Mangione admitting to it happened while we're live. Oh, yeah. I don't know if you know this or not. During the debate. While we're live is when it happened. While we're live. Luigi Mangione admits to shooting UnitedHealthcare CEO as he pleads guilty in federal case. Admits. Okay. Admits. Admits. This is not, you know. Somebody told me to do it. MKUltra. This is not. There was a Georgian because there's not a Georgian involved in this. No, he was on camera. Luigi admitted to shooting UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson as he pleaded guilty Friday to two federal stocking counts. A dramatic turn in high stake, high profile killing. After years of enduring severe pain from a broken back, I learned that UnitedHealthcare would be holding its annual investor conference in New York City. Mangione, folks, this is shocking on what happened here. Check this out. He told the federal courtroom that when he learned there was a conference, he learned the conference's exact location by emailing the company posing as an investor with more than $50 billion in capital in an email. This is almost shocking when you read this, Vinny. Yeah. Before traveling to New York, I used a 3D printer to make part of a gun, and I equipped a gun with a silencer and a magazine. I shot Mr. Thompson. This is Luigi. In Manhattan. And he died. I knew what I was doing was illegal. U.S. District Judge Margaret Garnett accepted the plea sentencing is set for December 18. Thompson's family, his wife and mother in front row, their first courtroom appearance called the plea an important step toward justice. In a rare statement, Mangione's attorney simultaneously filed to dismiss the separate state charges under New York's double jeopardy law. His state murder trial is scheduled for September 8th. So, if Tyler Robinson does the same exact thing that Mangione said, you're done. Of course. Yes. And I want to ask you a question. Yeah. Do you think Tyler Robinson shot Charlie all by himself, meaning nobody else helped him? He just went on the roof with the screwdriver, did the gun, did everything, put it down. By himself. I'll give you my answer. Yeah. That nobody else was involved and influenced it. Not influenced. No, no, no. Had a hand. A hand, meaning they planned. They said, OK, I'm going to do this. You go here at this time. We know the security. We know the security, whatever. They're probably not going to check over here. 10% chance. 10% that. But 10 is high, Vinny, for me. I'm sorry. 10% that somebody else, either than him, sat there and planned it. That he wasn't by himself. OK. 10% is high for you. 10% is high for me. That means there's a 90% chance that Tyler Robinson. All by himself. That's what Patrick said. OK. It's just math. But 10%, where are you at? Oh, I'm at 100%. Me, I'm at 100%. Somebody else was sitting down with him and they planned it. And who could those people be? I have no idea. Give me Speculate. Here's Speculate. Who could those be? Maybe somebody high up. Like, you know how we always find out these leftists that are high up that are paying for the dissent in this country? Let's go a little bit more specific with you, Vinny. So let's go through who you think it could have been. So high leftist, George Soros, you know, Alex Soros. Who's the guy overseas? The guy in Australia, whatever his name is. I know who you're talking about. Singh? Singh? Yeah. So let's put that. Let's put Israel. Give me a couple other options. Who else is winning? Who else is one that's being accused that could have been here? I mean, just the LGBTQ community or whoever. Perfect. Who else? Tom, who else would you put on that category? Because I'm going to ask you guys right now the same question. Leftist, Israel, LGBTQ. Who else has been accused of having their hands? Can you guys in the back find out who else has been accused of having their hands? Who else has been accused? Egyptian planes. No, it wasn't really Egypt. I mean, we could just make sense of it. We could make stuff up at this point. You're playing around. I'm not playing around. You are, though. I'm not. You are, though. You can make up anything is my point. No, you are. How am I playing around? I'm asking for the top. Stop. I said Egyptian planes. Stop. I'm asking for top five. Who else? Be reasonable. Who else in the top five? The LGBTQ community. I have that already. Who else? Is it fair it's just these three? Majority. Leftist. Leftist billionaires. The CIA. The CIA. Oh, let's put CIA. Good. That's what I want. CIA. What else? The federal government? Yeah, I was going to say the CIA. Would you put the CIA plus the federal government? Erica Kirk and Turning Point USA. All right, let's go there. Erica Kirk and TPUSA. Vinny. Okay. I'm going to come to you first. Out of 100 of who could have been involved. So this all has to add up to 100? 200. Like you said, 60% this. No, it's fine. I'll add it for you. Just lead with what is your highest, what is your lowest? I think the highest would be somebody from these higher up. You could put, I think, because it's different because these guys are money and power. That's money and power. These guys are just, you know. I would put, I mean, those guys to me are at the top. Leftists? Where do you put leftists? I coach football. He knows teamwork and BJ's knows savings. Home of the save. Join for just $20 at BJ's.com. Plush Mesquite and save 10 cents per gallon for six months. Open soon. Limited time offer. New members only. BJ's. Home of the save. 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Tom, where are you at? So I'm at 70 on the left. this okay and but to me you know lgbtq is with the left perfect so let's combine those two together so i put them both together i could add to mine too yeah 75 is where you're at you know and i'm at um you know israel and the cia you may think i'm crazy but i'm like 15 each because somebody has to help somebody yeah israel and tp usa no no no cia and cia 15 each yep and you're zero tp usa zero okay so you're saying the federal government or the israel is tied for 15 each yep and if you're at federal government 15 who would that be well our is that from current administration or previous no no no no it's not current administration this is the previous shadow government this is dick cheney it's important to qualify that yes yes you're in the same place as well yes i'm in the same okay adam so i'm shadow government that predates i got it that's actually that's the deep state tom good well the number one question that i would ask is who's motivated by this what's the incentive and this is why i have my answer question my answer is 99.9 percent tyler robinson and the leftist agenda because he was incentivized to kill the person that he thought was the most outspoken against their agenda right so to me 99 percent and the reason i left me their agenda and then conservative the reason that i don't have tp usa israel or maybe even the cia is how does this advance their agenda at all pick one because you have one percent where does your i have 0.01 where does that go uh cia okay right that's all i need from you so you're putting zero israel zero so what you guys all are saying which is not some of the things that's being told a lot of people would say it would say candace has had some positions with criticism toward tp usa all of you are are at zero percent that it's not erica kirk or tp us i i zero percent i don't see that i don't see what was candace on this i don't know but i'm saying like she said zero percent tyler so there must be an equitable distribution have a higher percentage of thinking that tp usa may have been involved in some parts of this but this is more a reasonable way of looking at it to say this is my position you said you're 90 i'm 90 what you said you're 90 percent tyler robinson no no he said there was a 10 chance that somebody helped him oh my apologies but you said that means it's i am i am very very little i'm i'm very little on where people around yeah very what's your distribution if you give my distribution i i think if tp usa and erica kirk thought there was a benefit for charlie kirk leaving the tp usa organization until they get a male figure that's respected by other men i hate to say this they're going to be a female organization no man will look up at erica kirk and say i want to grow up to be like erica kirk men are not like that they're not so if automatically you put a female in this kind of by the way this is not in companies there's plenty of female ceos that crush the turning point but the brand isn't to build men the product is to build it's got the brand here is we're going to raise strong men and right strong so it's a that's like all of a sudden pbd podcast i change it from me to a female running this audience gonna be like male audience you just drop because you can't do that right yeah so to me i have a very low number here uh cia has that has to do a better job for me improving their trust so there's always going to be somebody in this organization like when you see james comey saying 86 47 i'm i'm gonna put a small percentage here that they could be involved you know 10 here and then for me i'm going to go to leftist you know pretty much 80 something percent i don't think israel won from it but i'll always put one percent there just in case uh so i'm going to be 89 percent leftist 10 cia one percent israel and i don't think tp usa had anything if they did you're the dumbest criminals in the world if they did and i don't think that's the case if they did can we bring this back to menjioni because we were talking about menjioni here's the challenge that i that i want people to think about what percentage of the marketplace after luigi menjioni has admitted to killing the ceo he stalked him he printed the gun he went there he emailed them he lied he told him that he's an investor showed up killed him boom admitted to it what percentage of the marketplace especially woke liberal women still think that he's innocent or at least justified videos going viral girls wanted this guy was a revolutionary they love him this is my point they love that is that there's going to be a segment of the marketplace yeah this is it is this the lady yeah play this clip it is about luigi but it's also about the conversation he started so if you were just here for a free fair trial for him you know that's not afforded to most people i see it more as a revolutionary act of protest of the likes of which we haven't seen murder civil rights era i want america to continue questioning you know our current predicaments and why we allow our futures to be stolen away by oligarchs the challenge i have with murder the challenge i have with that is it's okay to question that's fine just asking questions but once you get that question you're the answer from the person who actually from the horse's mouth then you at least have to concede yeah maybe let me uh loosen my position a little bit these people are doubling down on dumb she's not by the way she's not saying he she's not saying he's not he's innocent she's saying goods that he murdered exactly she's saying what she's saying is hey our system is broken kill and revolution adam she's calling for hey listen everybody else you guys should start doing it you should start murdering by the way the reason he's saying this and he's coming clean is because he's going to try to uh plead to where he's not going to get the death penalty because guess what afterwards the cops saw him where was he at a mcdonald wherever he was sitting there they're like yo they caught him after it's not like there's like a question and there's no videotape of him they caught him right after and arrested him and there's you know evidence of you know fingerprints and all that stuff but then it's now he's admitting it that that was him was it mcdonald's yeah he wasn't i mean this is the problem is that even after admitting guilt that people still are like no he's a revolutionary who was it that's like saying tyler robinson if and when he admits to killing charlie kirk to basically escape the death penalty there's people that are going to still say well maybe he was justified because lgbtq rights uh come above charlie kirk's freedom of speech to me that is nonsense well you guys and you guys the night stalker case in california richard ramirez well girls were showing up crying fighting for him because they love they wanted him so let i'm not saying that liberal women shouldn't vote i just think they should think twice before they do oh my god so anyway tom any thoughts on this manjion yes i'm i have an explanation for people if they really want it and i'll make this really quick pat so um we want it why does he plead guilty why does he plead guilty you're talking about manjion to prevent from a death sentence is that why you think right well basically the capital murder part of this was already on edge and this was going to be second degree murder because the capital murder was there's a certain spontaneousness to it i'm not arguing that i'm saying that's what's coming out of the motions in the court and you have two courts the federal court with the two stalking charges and you have new york court with second degree murder the reason they um and i think um manjion's uh lawyer is agnifilio i think if i pronounce that correct agnifilio if you guys can let the lady yes yeah agnifilio i think you got that one tom so um this is what they're doing lawyers they're she's a heavy weight yes they are pleading guilty this is no i'm not endorsing manjio in any way and i'm not a fan of his i'm letting you know how thank you for taking such a strong no no no because some people may think you're doing this no no this is how this is playing out they are pleading guilty to the stalking charges and in pleading guilty to stalking you can say whatever the hell you want and so he says i followed him i shot him yep he mr you know sir excuse me sir yeah right stop and now here's what this triggers no public trial you don't put the public through that you don't put the victim's family through that you don't read testimony testimony through that and you're guilty to the two federal charges and you're waiting sentencing what she has simultaneously done is she is filed under new york state's double jeopardy law do you know what the fifth amendment is the fifth amendment is no double jeopardy you can't be tried twice for the same thing unless fifth amendment fifth is isn't fifth isn't fauci the fifth yes yeah well it's all part of it okay and so what it is is you can't be tried twice now if there's a mistrial and we have to do a do-over that's different so in new york state where this is their double jeopardy clause pat is actually thicker than the federal governments in terms of it's hard to why is that it's just the way new york has made its laws on this and so you have if he's guilty on federal and then you go to the state trial this the penalties and the sentencing will stack on top and you will have judge garnett at the federal level and judge i believe the name is carl judge carl at the um state level so what they're doing they're trying to take judge carl out of play get the and by the way that was will happen in a ruling that has to happen before september 8th so before september 8th if new york and judge carl come back say you're right this would be double jeopardy we have a um a guilty plea because the double jeopardy in new york is based on the same criminal transaction well the transaction was killing so guess what his only shot at getting out in his 60s is that the federal judge gives him say 40 years 45 years for this and then he serves 85 percent good behavior and he gets out that is the play that his team is trying to get here because death penalty is off the table so that's what's going on and they're trying if they get the ruling on by september 8th judge carl says you're right under the new york state double jeopardy we can't try him because federal is already found has already found him guilty by his own guilt will this guy ever walk in a street we will find out when judge garrett garnett judge garnett does sentencing on the federal side if he does less if he does 40 or 50 years he could be out when he's 65 or 70 years old or earlier tom 50 so he can be out in 85 85%. Oh, it's 85%. Apparently federal guidelines. Got it. Interesting. Wow. So 85% means if you're getting 40, you're doing 35 of it. Yes, for sure. You're doing 35 of it. So Agnifilio, I think this is good lawyering by Agnifilio, even though we all would like to see Luigi have not a penny spent by the taxpayers and go to execution. We would all, now that he's confessed, we would all like to see that. I've had a call with his entire legal team, and they're strong. She's not a lightweight. Does this line up with what you guys have said? Yeah, it does. It does. She's a, you know, we had a Zoom call with all of them, and they were, I mean, this is a W for them if they were able to pull that off. Would you say that, Tom? Mangione? Yes. For them as lawyers. Forget about, you know. Because they're playing a logical game here. Plead guilty. No double jeopardy in New York. No trial in New York. No public reading. And all of that is going to be read to Judge Garnett. Judge Garnett, we saved the taxpayers' money. We've saved the time. I know we're moving on. Weird question. And I appreciate what Tom is saying about Mangione. And you're saying defense team. And is there any chance that Candace is working with Tyler Robinson's defense team? I have no idea. I do think she's spoken. She's spoken to a lot of the family members. That's what I'm saying. Are they working in conjunction on anything? Conjunction? No. But if they're in communication, possibly. Interesting. Because she actually calls. Because she believes that Tyler's innocent. That's the 0%, right? That's the 0%. Interesting. That's the 0%. Let me continue. Let's go to the next story. Next story I want to get to is Lindsey Clancy. What a weird, dark story. Folks, if you're not into it, you're not going to like this. But if you're into these murdery, mystery, all this stuff, this is just one of the weirdest stories I've ever heard in my life. Literally, it's one of the weirdest stories I've heard in my life. Lindsey Clancy's phone was used to search, can you treat a sociopath? On January 20, 2023, days before she killed her three children, a state police investigator testified at a trial Thursday. Jurors heard from Massachusetts State Police investigators, Timothy and Sergeant Kyle Pavot on the forensic analysis of Clancy's phone and her ex-husband. It's Patrick Clancy's tablet. Clancy has pleaded not guilty to three murder charges and the death of five-year-old Cora, three-year-old Dawson, and infant Kalen at the family's home in Duxbury on January 24, 2023. Defense lawyers don't contest she was responsible. They argue she shouldn't be held criminally responsible because she was suffering from postpartum psychosis. Are you kidding me? I'm struggling so hard because I wanted to parent each of my kids like my first, and since I can't. That's depressing to me. Clancy wrote an October 2022 phone note. Per prosecutors, this is definitely the root cause of all our problems. She appeared frustrated with compromises around newborn Kalen. I hate that he has to put himself to sleep. I'm sad I'm not breastfeeding anymore. Prosecutors are using their searches and notes to argue the killing were premeditated. The defense says they show a mind unraveling, that a mind is unraveling. Vinny, do you have a clip on this? I'm sending Connor right now. Connor, there's a clip of her in the courtroom. I think one of the medical examiners, Pat, is talking about Cora's autopsy. Pat, this gets me emotional because these kids are so young. She was five years old, and they're reading what was happening during this autopsy, and they have to call the freaking, can you just play this clip? That's the medical examiner. It could be a pattern, or it could be more developed types of injuries, such as bruising or abrasions. And what about injuries? Who's crying, exactly? The mom, the murderer. The murderer, yeah. 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So, Adam, so think about it. She killed, Cora was five, Dawson was three, and Callan, eight months old. Okay? Okay, so now prosecutors are saying that she deliberately, these are prosecutors, not me, sent her husband out for takeout and medicine, giving herself a window. So she brought them all downstairs in the basement and used, you know, exercise bands, Pat, and strangled all of them. The defense is saying. With exercise bands? Exercise bands. And mind you, yeah, choke, squeezed them out and killed them one at a time. While the other ones are sitting in there watching their other siblings getting choked out, okay? And, oh, I'm going to get into it. So you talked about the postpartum psychosis, severe mental illness, and all that stuff. And then there's a GoFundMe for her parents that are, they're going to stand behind her daughter. It's raised $750,000. The goal is $2 million. And what makes it darker is the women on social media going, I know what she's feeling. There was a TikTok of a psychiatrist. You might be able to find that, Connor. I think it's a little bit long. How insane is that? Yeah. Publicly expressing sympathy for a mother who strangled her own children. And when you send your husband away, that's premeditated. You're like, honey, go do something so I can do this. All right? And that's absolutely, we're already living in this culture, Adam, where abortion has made the killing of these children acceptable. And now you're watching people find ways to sympathize this, okay? That's dark. I don't care how you do it. But here's where we should never get lost in all this talk about postpartum depression and psychosis. And all the medications and all that. She took her children in the basement and strangled them one at a time, okay? They were trapped with the one person in this world they were supposed to freaking trust completely. Pat, imagine, imagine, guys, whoever's listening to this, wherever you are, with your kids are probably in the house if you're home. Imagine that fear, the confusion, okay? There's nowhere to turn to. There's nowhere to run. And mommy is choking and killing your other freaking brothers and sisters, and you're sitting there watching it. Okay, whatever happened in those final moments, they're dying in the hands of their freaking mother, okay? And that, dude, that's why it makes this the victim story. You're not the victim. The kids are the victim, okay? What she did was evil. She was a freaking monster. I don't care. Call her a demon. I don't care how uncomfortable it makes people. Okay, you killed all three of the kids. And if she's found responsible, Pat, for deliberately murdering them, she deserves the harshest punishment. And that's it. I'm sorry. Well, apparently she's already admitted that. She did it. I don't think that's the deal. Yeah, but they're playing the, you know, when you have children, postpartum, you go crazy. No, they're saying she was, because she was dealing with bipolar disorder. Do not consent that Clancy was responsible for the deaths of three of your children. They argue that she was not held criminal responsible for their deaths because she was suffering from, I saw that. But there's also another one that says, they say she experienced an auditory hallucination, a voice telling her to kill her children and herself. It's a substantial illness because she experienced some psychiatric problems from before. She suffered severe insomnia, anxiety, and suicidal thoughts, sought help from numerous providers, contacted a suicide hotline, admitted herself to McLean Hospital, and researched postpartum depression, psychosis, hallucinations, schizophrenia, and bipolar disorder. Another major defense argued is medication fragmented psychiatric care. In roughly four months, she was prescribed 13 different psychiatric medications and more than 30 prescriptions, including antidepressants. Anti-psychotics and benzos. Her defense argues that the changing medication and inadequate coordination between providers contributed to her deterioration. They're going to try to pin it on the medical establishment and not her. So all that, all that stuff, and she's not medically admitted into a hospital? Give me a freaking break, because at the end of the day, somebody has to pay for those three kids. What is this video here? She's paying. Oh, Pat, this is. This is, um, this is a, uh. Is this a therapist? She's a therapist basically saying, like, guys, if you've had kids, you understand. Press play? Yeah, go ahead. This fancy trial is going to be one of the most significant trials of your lifetime. We are all experiencing something completely unprecedented. Never before have we seen so many mothers and women rally behind somebody. who confessed to killing her three children and it is not because we cannot hold women accountable many of us see ourselves in lindsey many of us know that we could have been only one step away from doing some of those horrific what what is she talking about experience oh significant mental mental health killing your kids after one of our children was born and many of us know just how dark some of those thoughts get i've never heard of it do me a favor go back oh go back to her account go all the way to the beginning go all the way to the beginning look what it says on her profile strong therapy jess liberal voice on politics culture society anti-racist anti-fascist pro-lgbtq of course do you understand what she just said she basically just said the women out there do you think she has kids yes she does no this lady i think she does i think because you know she's saying adam we've all thought of killing our kids when they've gone because you know you're depressed after you are you what are you even talking about how do you post something like that like and so so basically what so they're trying to get this lindsay uh freed of what technicality you know she was crazy she was losing her mind i'm sorry three children are dead and i and again i'm going back to imagine adam you're five i remember when i was a kid i remember five i remember things that my mom would do to me when i was that age you're watching her strangle and kill your brothers and sisters and you're in those final moments i am sorry guys i'm sorry that we always talk about accountability she has to be held accountable i'm sorry i'm sorry because my thing is this if you send somebody out adam if you're if your wife goes hey go get medication go get takeout you're planning it it's not like in a moment where she just grabbed them and stabbed them she brought them into the basement she grabbed the exercise bands and she strangled them to death well okay i'm sorry bro i'm sorry let me ask the guys with kids here i mean look i'm not making light of this my mother always says like you know i brought you in this world i'll take you out of it i've never took that literally but have you guys ever experienced anything with this postpartum depression tom pbd is this something that that women have talked about in your life so i've are your friends are your wives friends or anything tom yes um women talk about postpartum depression a lot um and apparently not apparently it is clinically shown to be a real thing that sometimes after having a baby there is an emotional response that's here now that's part one and part two is i do not believe um based on what i've heard i've heard many counselors indicate that you know postpartum depression or postpartum depression is made worse by someone who maybe is a drug user or already had you know psychological things or is you know deep depression or you know schizophrenia you know bipolar disorder it is that it just makes that worse so in other words you know you know a person who you know already has diabetes that gets lupus that's bad you know i'm saying because you're already sick i'm using that stacking effect uh postpartum depression and counseling is to be treated very seriously but the issue is if somebody was already you know had issues ahead of time pat it just makes it worse and the people running to her are people remember the postpartum tribe is also trying to create a victim tribe taking nothing away from the disease itself remember they're they become a special interest group of their own and they have their own you know uh what do we talk about their own concerns their own motives your own assumptions their own fears their own asks and so they're out there so it's very very real but when you stack it up and say oh we're coming to her defense they don't know her other side they don't know if she was bipolar they don't know if she was using psych meds and then and she was having complication effects from the combination of meds they don't know if she was possibly schizophrenic they're hearing postpartum and they're running out to defend postpartum that's what's going on good input this is this is dark uh very i'm trying to see if this lady has kids i can't find it the the lady whatever her name is something jess uh jessica mcnair is her name and she's a licensed therapist associated with falls church wellness center a church and the creator behind strong church yes yeah i don't know what that is the city uh but uh to have kids this person's got kids man imagine those kids go to school and the friends and the teachers are like uh you may want to kind of run away from that lady right there that's my mom yeah yeah i'm telling you you may want to like you know skedaddle protect yourself and see you know where you're at go to the trump one go to the trump one that she has right there yeah what does she say uh sorry for the jump scare this absurdity posted across official social media channels for trump and the white house okay so she's a big time trump fan um no um very very weird that this is going on and this is not the case with uh most mothers this is the case with what tom talked about with the challenges you know if you have additional personality stuff to add on top of that some people shouldn't have kids i advocate a lot of people to have a lot of kids a lot of people that have a lot of kids but some people just should not be having any kids man they should not be having any kids some people are still kids dealing with their own trauma before all of a sudden you shared that i'm at a soccer game this week the football game i'm at a soccer game this week the football game i'm at a soccer game this week the football game i'm at a soccer game this week the football game i'm at a soccer game this week and i'm watching dylan play this game and on the and i'm watching dylan play this game and on the opposing side there was his father and the way he opposing side there was his father and the way he was talking to his kid i was just listening to him was talking to his kid i was just listening to him the move over the what are you gonna get in the the move over the what are you gonna get in the in front of all the kids in front of all but he's in front of all the kids in front of all but he's screaming at his son and i'm sitting right there screaming at his son and i'm sitting right there and he's like 10 yards away to my left his son is and he's like 10 yards away to my left his son is here about to throw the ball and for about 20 here about to throw the ball and for about 20 seconds he's waiting for the ref to make the call seconds he's waiting for the ref to make the call because there's uh what do you call it people because there's uh what do you call it people coming in and out subs and i'm just watching him coming in and out subs and i'm just watching him and he's just looking at his dad and he says let and he's just looking at his dad and he says let me play the game let me play we'll play the and me play the game let me play we'll play the and i'm just like oh man just a little too much and i'm just like oh man just a little too much right when you're watching this he's probably right when you're watching this he's probably dealing with the trauma and what he's doing is dealing with the trauma and what he's doing is that's how he was raised so he's talking to his that's how he was raised so he's talking to his kid the way his dad talked to him and kid the way his dad talked to him and passed down and i'm just looking at the kid the kid passed down and i'm just looking at the kid the kid has burned out and by the way he was actually has burned out and by the way he was actually pretty good player wasn't like he was not a good pretty good player wasn't like he was not a good player was a pretty good player but uh yeah i don't player was a pretty good player but uh yeah i don't know this is a very very difficult story to know this is a very very difficult story to go through but uh we'll wrap it up on this story go through but uh we'll wrap it up on this story actually you know what let me wrap it up on a actually you know what let me wrap it up on a different story trying to get to a different different story trying to get to a different story to go to uh give me a story to go through story to go through uh give me a story to go through give me something uh uplifting optimistic give me something uh uplifting optimistic well let me let me go to a different story i'll tell well let me let me go to a different story i'll tell you i i watched dudley give a sermon this you i i watched dudley give a sermon this weekend we shared something that i thought was appropriate weekend we shared something that i thought was appropriate to share with everybody else it was to share with everybody else it was about marriage husband and wife so we sit there we're watching the about marriage husband and wife so we sit there we're watching the the the three of our kids are the the three of our kids are not feeling well one of them was throwing up all night not feeling well one of them was throwing up all night you know we three of them didn't even go to you know we three of them didn't even go to school today you know how it is parents school today you know how it is parents when kids go back to school well you know how that when kids go back to school well you know how that works you know the only one that went to works you know the only one that went to school today is one of them and i'll tell you guys school today is one of them and i'll tell you guys afterwards who it is he breaks down marriage he afterwards who it is he breaks down marriage he says there's five different types of marriage out says there's five different types of marriage out there okay he says the first one is the beautiful there okay he says the first one is the beautiful marriage he says very rare not a lot of them marriage he says very rare not a lot of them beautiful marriage very rare number two is the beautiful marriage very rare number two is the blah marriage we just married you know it's just blah marriage we just married you know it's just like ah whatever we just married we did it we're like ah whatever we just married we did it we're staying we're gonna make it work whatever staying we're gonna make it work whatever but it's blah the third one is the brittle marriage but it's blah the third one is the brittle marriage roulette let's see if it's gonna work or roulette let's see if it's gonna work or not you're gambling fourth one is the bitter marriage not you're gambling fourth one is the bitter marriage and the fifth one is the broken marriage and the fifth one is the broken marriage it's too late they're getting a divorce and then he gave it's too late they're getting a divorce and then he gave some numbers which was kind of wild he some numbers which was kind of wild he says you know what divorce happens every how many seconds says you know what divorce happens every how many seconds in america every 30 seconds which i thought in america every 30 seconds which i thought it'd be it'd be like closer to five but he say divorce it'd be like closer to five but he say divorce happens every 30 seconds which means during this happens every 30 seconds which means during this podcast you take you take let's just kind of tell you take you take you take let's just kind of tell you how many divorces have happened during this you how many divorces have happened during this podcast say two hours so if you say two hours if podcast say two hours so if you say two hours if a divorce happens every 30 seconds and we did a a divorce happens every 30 seconds and we did a podcast for two hours how many divorces have podcast for two hours how many divorces have happened during this podcast so far so far so happened during this podcast so far so far so that's two a minute that's two a minute 60 120 that's two a minute that's two a minute 20 120 to 240 is that what the number is 240 okay yeah to 240 is that what the number is 240 okay yeah so 240 the guys stay together during the podcast so 240 the guys stay together during the podcast so far during this podcast and he says the average so far during the podcast and he says the average marriage in america how long do you think it lasts marriage in america how long do you think it lasts seven years marriage how much do you think it is seven years marriage how much do you think it is tom the average marriage no no i think it's um tom the average marriage no no i think it's um i know this um i'm gonna mess this up but i think i know this um i'm gonna mess this up but i think it's three and a half years 13 years he says the it's three and a half years 13 years he says the average average him saying this tom you're at how average average him saying this tom you're at how many years oh average marriage is 13 years i many years oh average marriage is 13 years i was telling you average time to divorce well he was telling you average time to divorce well he says the average marriage they happen quick yeah says the average marriage they happen quick yeah the average marriage happens 13 is 13 years the the average marriage happens 13 is 13 years the average age of somebody who gets a divorce is average age of somebody who gets a divorce is 41 years old so if you're 41 years old try to go to 41 years old so if you're 41 years old try to go to 42 you make you may kind of make it work right 42 you may kind of make it work right and he says the reasons for marriage not working out number and he says the reasons for marriage not working out number one is financial issues vinnie what's one is financial issues vinnie what's going on number one is financial issues number two is going on number one is financial issues number two is communication number three is intimacy communication number three is intimacy number four is broken trust number five is failed number four is broken trust number five is failed expectations okay and then as he goes through it expectations okay and then as he goes through it and he's kind of breaking it down you know and he's kind of breaking it down you know marriage wasn't meant to fix your problems marriage wasn't meant to fix your problems right you're not getting married because your wife or right you're not getting married because your wife or your husband's going to fix your problems your husband's going to fix your problems lack of knowledge poor choices you stop going to church lack of knowledge poor choices you stop going to church couples who stop going to church divorce couples who stop going to church divorce increases i had a couple of ours that had a a meeting with uh one of their spouses they're they're going through challenging times but one of the conversations was when they sat down with me i said how you guys still go to church like used to a lot no well i said that you know you haven't gone to church for three years now you haven't found a home church no kind of got to find a home church if you if you did it and you get away from it it helps you out indifference selfishness he says what wives wish husbands knew james dobson wrote a book yeah many years ago that sold 10 million copies the title of the book is what wives wish husbands knew he says do you know how many of those customers that bought those books were men he says nobody men don't buy books like that he says wives buy it give it to their husbands and the husbands never read it apparently this book sold 10 million copies okay and then what we are different creatures biologically behavior emotional biologically behaviorally emotions and commissions and he says just to kind of break it down for you he says do you know how many products the average man has in their bathroom said six he says you know how many products the average woman has 600 337 yeah are you serious so let's see is that real let's come in yeah toothpaste dental floss yeah deodorant you have shaving cream we get it there's five you a lot of people don't know this is tom when he lived in dallas part of a church tom was leading the church and he was the leader of the church and he was the leader of the church and he was leading a ministry of a lot of husband and wives that were about to go through a divorce and you saved a lot of marriages this isn't public this is private i know this because you and i have talked about it when you were contributing to that church and you know when when you saw marriages that were getting close marriage is not easy it's a very difficult thing we know this ourselves what patterns did you notice and what what the people that were able to turn to turn it around what did they do tom what did you notice you did this for quite a few years people are able to turn around um did two things number one they actually listened to a third party and second they actually stopped to apply it to themselves and there's a simple um there's a simple example we give people we say if you're willing to listen and you're willing to draw a circle and put yourself in the middle of it and only fix what's in the circle this has got a chance do you want to have a chance and if they both say yes it says okay let's start with listening and let's put ourselves in the circle and do it and so it was that simple pat willingness to listen to allow a third party to not give you your solutions but to give you a framework and then willingness to go look at that and we had these chapters that would take people through on spiritual self-reflection you know family of origin things and just remember this statement flat pat it may not be your fault but it is your your reality and how you react is your fault there are things in life that may not be your fault but it is your reality and how you react is your fault so so okay so that's that what other feedback would you give tom what other feedback would you give that this here indifference and selfishness is huge forget about fears forget about fights forget about all that stuff um believe it or not you know recovering alcoholic or recovering drug addiction once somebody says man i've got an issue and i'm out of here there is a greater chance for strength on that because everybody's got like the same objective yep but indifference and selfishness when people get to the what we call the edge of the waterfall well that's it i don't care and i'm just i'm going to worry about me and i'm going to take care of myself here that's indifference and selfishness and once you get to that part now now distance distance becomes so far and that's when america american courts invented the phrase irreconcilable differences and i disagree with that statement so much because i believe with christ anything on earth is reconcilable so tom so happy about that so how much does faith because i mean being a christian like i i'm not i wouldn't be with anybody that wasn't a christian how much of that meaning solidifying the fact that like hey listen we're gonna have ups we're gonna have downs but this all comes back because tom biblically about divorce it's not it's not like looked at as a positive thing but if you stay in the faith and you stay positive like how much of a of a factor is that faith is huge because it puts a simple rule book under it if everybody used a different rule book on the highways it'd be chaos yes but everybody even the ones that don't obey everything the highways basically work because there's a set of rules out there and people follow them yes you know only drive on the right side of the road all these kind of things and so faith helps people have a place to turn for their own healing and have a place to turn for patience and strength while they're awaiting healing got you and that foundation is critical i will tell you you know one of the guys i was talking to who's going through marital issues asked him a question i said so who do you spend time with i don't have a lot of people that i spend time with it's just the people i do business i said no no who do you spend time which which other successful marriage couples do you guys go to dinner with on a weekly basis that's not currently involved in your business nobody i said well that's a problem you know you you got to find a way to be around other people who have successful marriages who are similar values for that to be a positive peer pressure in your life you guys got to spend time together you guys got to do things that you look forward to you have to have certain traditions and rituals that you create just for the two of you guys but i'm at 17 years this is not easy you know we got four kids moving parts business life travel all this stuff health trying to figure it out um but if there's if there's one thing that you can do that increases the chances then go to church together go to church together go to church together all right sounds good so we're ending on a good note we're ending on a good note here i read a couple books that one that you uh recommended 101 questions to ask before you get engaged but the the biggest difference in my life that i read this is when i was going through my first uh divorce um the the the they recommended reading men are from mars women are from venus and i read the first chapter and i'm like i get i get it now we're from completely different that was all you needed was so just act accordingly and that's what i learned there you go okay all right gang we will do this again on friday i think we have an interview that's going to go out this week stay tuned and uh but uh lots of other big interviews coming here soon stay tuned like literally we may even drop something today we may drop two in the next two days just stay tuned on what we got going on take care everybody god bless bye bye bye bye hank 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