The DARPA Hacker Who SHOCKED Julian on Epstein Island Cell Phone Data...

Hey guys, if you're not following me on Spotify, please hit that follow button and leave a five-star review. They're both a huge, huge help. Thank you. Well, as I was saying, the ancient texts. Yeah, the Great Flood. The Great Flood, right? It's shown over and over again when humanity's fallen, and naturally, you know, I do think about that a little more and how it can happen. So, in the simulation theory of life and how some things are going right now, it's rather interesting that after all this time, thousands of years to be exact, it appears that maybe, just maybe, some archaeologists, researchers, historians, a mix of whatever this team is comprised of, thinks that perhaps they have found the final resting place of what we know as Noah's Ark itself. I shit you not, this is a real story. Did you hear about this, or is this the first time? No, I didn't, but it's the perfect year to discover these types of things. Yes, almost like we're mentally preparing for, I don't know, like the event? The event, yes. The event, right? Yeah, it's so funny. Can you pull up the second link, Joey Deef? This has got the full article with the details for people. Noah's Ark. This is, Noah's, the headline says, Noah's Ark Resting Place, quote, 100%. 100% confirmed, unquote. After 4,300 years as huge discovery made, according to the Bible, the massive vessel saved humanity and every kind of animal from every single one. Joey Deef, that's crazy. From annihilation during a catastrophic flood, experts now say they have found a formation. Let's go down. Isn't that cool? And give people the deets. To open an article with, yeah, according to the Bible, here's the news. Right. The Bible, news, hello. Perfect. The remains of Noah's Ark have supposedly, been confirmed and found after remaining a mystery for hundreds of thousands of years. Experts say they have found a mysterious boat-shaped formation that some researchers believe could be the remains of Noah's Ark high in the mountains in Turkey. According to the Bible, the massive vessel saved humanity and every kind of animal from annihilation and chronologies that place more than 4,300 years ago. Now, experts believe that they have, quote, 100% confirmed, unquote, the find. They believe the mound is not a natural geological feature, but instead, quote, a man-made object, unquote, which has been located in Durapinar Formation near Mount Ararat. I do have to say, and remind me, I got to talk to Matt LaCroix about coming in early next year. I keep forgetting to do that. But Matt's been on the show a bunch, and Matt's done some extensive work on the ground himself in Turkey. So Matt's a great guy, cares a lot about ancient history. I love hearing him talk. Sometimes he goes like a little far on some stuff, but like when it comes to some of the things that are being found and the structures and the stuff in Lake Vaughan in Turkey, like some of his work there, to me, is really, really, really impressive, and I highly recommend people check that out. But this, Joey, you have this image up for people, right, so they can see that right now? Oh, yeah. That everything reminds me of her, you know? That's just. You took the words out of my mouth. That is. That's a mussy. We found the clitoris. That's a mountain. That's a mussy. Yes. A mussy. Yeah. You just come up with that now? Yeah, just now. That's pretty good. Yeah, it's a mountain mussy. That's good. Mountain mussy. Yeah, mussy. Okay, let's go down so I can keep giving the scientific details. They used laser technology and radar surveys to look into the area and say they found structural layers, straight lines, right-angle intersections, and large cavity-like spaces at multiple depths which suggest something man-made had once laid there. The researchers also claimed their high-tech scans show potential chambers. A little Chamber of Secrets down there, Joey D. That's it. Corridors and tunnels along with a thick underground layer dividing into three parts, a feature that compared to God's command in Genesis for Noah to build the Ark with three decks. Imagine you're finding something and you're going through these hardcore scientific LIDAR surveys and looking at the scans and figuring out the structure and then turning to Genesis and you're like, oh, yeah, it matches up. Yeah. That's got to be some next-level shit. It's got to be pretty crazy. Yeah. Yeah. Now they are searching to see if they can find any traces of decayed wood to further substantiate their claims. There's more. So there's kind of a side profile. Independent researcher Andrew Jones, the founder of Noah's Ark Scans, right to the point on that name, has investigated the area for nearly 30 years. He said neither the radar surveys nor drilling conducted inside the formation detected limestone or solid bedrock. That's interesting. Okay. The expert added this destroys the theory. The site is a solid limestone block shape into this destroys the theory. The site is a solid limestone block shaped into a boat by glaciers and weathering after coming down the mountainside. And it also refutes the theory that this is bedrock around which mud flowed to form the shape. I firmly believe the Dripnar formation represents the buried remains of Noah's Ark. The research team recently drilled into the formation, collecting samples that may contain vital evidence and is the latest hunt to find. The elusive formerly mythical boat. That is fucking wild. The first major, the first major radar survey in 2019 detected linear and angular anomalies. The team interpreted as possible walls, passageways and separate compartments. A deeper investigation conducted in 2026 by Dr. Khosrow Bakhtar used an advanced radar system developed through US Air Force research and found massive layered reflectors, underground boundaries that bounce radar signals back towards the surface, as well as what the team interpreted as sediment filled. This data was also used to determine whether or not they could find the wreckage of the building. It is estimated that this is the first time that any of these structures have ever been found. However, it is unclear whether or not these structures have ever been found. This data is currently being used to determine whether or not any of these structures have ever been found. And it is also not clear whether or not any of these structures have ever been found. This data has been used to determine whether or not any of these structures have ever been found. This data is being used to determine whether or not any of these structures have ever been elephant so if it was 14 feet how tall is like an african elephant i want to make sure i have it found. This data has been used to determine whether or not any of these structures have ever been exact an african elephant fits 13 feet that's max yeah 13 feet max which means 14 foot ceilings would fit the elephant the largest mammal on earth wow we out here finding biblical shit joey deef i don't know whether to be excited or scared asian elephants no they're a little shorter asian elephants are shorter they're smaller just yeah the heads are also shaped differently and they have a different tusk formation i think too yeah but you're you can get the full-blown african elephant on there which would make sense because then it would you know if it's 4 300 years since this one it's also not that long a time from an evolution perspective you know what i mean i like how they're just saying 100 confirmed they're really confident Yeah, the confidence worries me a little bit because when you're making a claim about one of the ultimate secrets of ancient text and you're just like, it's 100% and we haven't even technically taken it out of the cavity yet, probably should back off that a little bit. That's what I mean. We run too far with this. But that certainly looks very, very suspect. And as I said, even looking at Gobekli Tepe in Turkey. Turkey, for some reason, is one of those places where like, yeah, a lot's going on. And also archaeologists and the whole like archaeologists industrial complex love telling people to shut the fuck up and not look here. And they love saying, no, nothing to see here when someone finds something objectively crazy. Like when we had Hugh Newman in here, that episode came out in January. Yeah. You know, some of the stuff he's been finding in Turkey, like again, interpret it as you will, but like you can't look at these structures and the different formations and not say this shit is crazy and old as fuck. Yeah. You know, I just, that's one of the strangest things, Deef, that I've seen firsthand doing this podcast for a lot of years now and having some cool people working on archeological digs in here. One of the strangest things to me from like the academic perspective where there's a lot of strange shit obviously is the complete ivory tower around trying to find new ancient discoveries in history it doesn't mean every time you find something including this story we just read like oh that definitely means that like we have to rewrite everything like yeah you don't want to run too far with it but like test these things out stop being like no this is decided science when from you know 1845 royal england making a declaration on egypt yeah like i i feel like we've come a little farther with technology than to you know since then to make some new conclusions here no no i agree gotta challenge it we've got to challenge it but you know whether it's bonnie blue billionaires fucking raping kids on islands and shit whatever whatever you know the soup du jour of holy shit send the asteroid is when we start finding some things like the great flood remnant hard not to ask some tough questions there thief yeah i agree right one of if not the most common dms i get on instagram are many of you asking me what my favorite books are well today's your lucky day because if you use the link in my description below to join my newsletter i'm going to give you my top 10 book recommendations right now also if you'd like to join my clipping community for a chance to make money producing content from the show you can do so via the discord link in my description below and finally you can join my patreon for early uncensored releases of the full episodes via the patreon link in my description below as always please take one second to hit that subscribe button if you haven't already i really appreciate that also the like button's a big help and you can join my newsletter via the link in the description below they're just getting ready to soften the blow they're getting ready to soften the blow and maybe on the way to softening the blow joey dave maybe on the way they gotta make sure that we're not all like on to this so you know i don't know where you guys are watching this right now i know a lot of you watch on your phone which we already know spies on us and stuff but if you're watching us on a tv right now particularly on an lg tv listen up real quick and then i'm gonna have some details on this including some denials from lg but here we go with a little video we're gonna get a you this lg g5 tv has a microphone connected to it and right now it's listening to me and saving the information in fact that's nice we can even unplug the network unplug it's still listening to me and what i'm saying is being stored right over by someone with remote access to the tv and then we were able to exfiltrate that recording via vulnerabilities after the user reconnected the network and in fact that's that's I'm gonna go ahead and start recording and it's still listening to me no network you know how we were talking about ai's escaping the sandbox yeah now they're putting us in the sandbox yeah it's good not now i mean they've been doing it but like at a time where the technology humans are inventing is breaking out they're calling us in so i'm gonna i'm gonna start with the article down lower deep because that's the update that i'm gonna be doing and then i'm gonna start with we're going to come back to it. That's the original story right there. So this is September 8th, the original story. And then September 10th is the response from LG. So we're going to be balanced and give both. And then I'll kind of give my thoughts because this was fascinating. There's some semantics here. Let me just explain it. Then we'll get into it. So TV brands tracking user activity to serve targeted ads isn't a new phenomenon, but the extent of private information they allegedly collect may worry some TV owners. In an investigative video published on Monday, Gamers Nexus claims the TVs from one of the world's largest and most popular brands, LG, can eavesdrop on users' conversations even when the screens are turned off. The investigation was carried out with level one techs and other independent researchers, and the resulting video is nearly 135 minutes. In the video, Gamers Nexus says that while most TV brands collect your viewing data for their automated content recognition systems, LG goes beyond the baseline. It's for us. It is. We are the product. It's all for us. It's all for us. ACR comes enabled by default on most TVs. So you don't opt. It's defaulted in. Remember that, okay? The program logs your viewing habits and sells that data to any third-party company that would like to know them. This is where Mike Yagley also comes in a little bit. It's reminiscent. Mike Yagley, we had on episodes 343 and 351. His whole thing, and I highly recommend them. He's very, very intense and entertaining because of that intensity. He's like, remember that, Dave? He's like, yo, we're fucked. Totally intense. Totally intense. It's like three and a half hours of that. But Mike Yagley was, or is, a data amalgamation researcher. I'm making up that term, but let me explain what that means. He got really good at working with large public data sets to be able to get market research, meaning figure out what data on you and me are that brands can use. And as that technology was progressing, when 2010, rolled around, 2011, 2012, he suddenly started to look at it and be like, wait a minute. Sitting in my fucking office five feet from my bedroom, I can use perfectly legal public tools to go get all this information on all these people. And this is the fastest growing silent industry filled with companies whose names you've never fucking heard of. And he's like, huh, that seems kind of. It's a little anti-constitutional. So then he goes and he tests this out on a major U.S. base. It was Fort. Was it Fort Dix in Carolina? Yeah. That was what it was? Yeah. And so what he did is he was, again, with perfect. He bought data that was publicly available, nothing illegal whatsoever, and tracked all his work so he could show this later. I'll get to that in a second. But he bought data and he started tracking these cell phones. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And he started tracking these cell phones around Fort Dix. I want to make sure we have that right. Can we just Google. Or is it Fort Bragg? It's one of them in Carolina. Maybe Fort Bragg. It's the big one in Carolina. So when he finds that. Yeah, it's Fort Bragg. So he starts to look through all these different iPhones that he's tracking for data marketing purposes. That's what it would be if he were doing it for real. This was just a personal experiment he was doing. And eventually, he finds a subset of them that would drive to this neighborhood that's 45 minutes away. And he could track them. He could track them down to the address. And even before he looked at the names on that address, which a lot of that's publicly available, they hadn't checked on that, he immediately knew that all these people living in this enclave area were from a higher level of the military because the income levels you would need to afford the mortgages on these homes were not what a standard person in the army would ever be able to afford. And they were farther away from all the local army housing and everything. So he then puts all those phones into a. Into a basket. He gets all the data on who they all are. He's then able to track everything their family members are doing and all that just for shits and gigs. But he then watches these same iPhones get on planes and fly over to Syria where they set up under some French fucking front a cement company called Lafarque or something like that and watches them use that as a base clearly for a clandestine mission. So he takes all this data. He doesn't give it to anyone, obviously. And he goes to the government and says, yo, fellas, y'all got a fucking problem. You want to hear about your latest. He didn't say what part of the military it was. So I'm going to say maybe it's like Delta Force or Army Rangers or maybe even something that involves. Yeah, maybe even something that involves the Green Berets or one of them. He's like, do you want to hear about their latest fucking undercover mission and where they all are right now? And he puts live trackers up on the screen in this presentation and shows then the genesis of him getting all that and says, yeah, if I can do this, you think they can't do this in fucking China right now? You think they can't do this in Russia? You think they can't do this in Ukraine, Iran, anywhere? And so he raised this whole point that like everything we're doing from the phones and then the Bluetooth centers that we're connected to. And the things that we constantly have access to technologically, of course, we know they're spying on us, but like the level to which OSINT, meaning like publicly available intelligence, can even if they have to purchase some of it, can get access to all that and put it together is insane. So now try to extrapolate that to the government. Also, as a side note, by the way, Mike Yagley was tracking phones in 2019 to fucking Epstein Island, looking at data from like 2016 and 2017. I think it was. And, you know, like he had Bill Gates's phone and he explained like how he had the data on that schmil schmates, you know, rhymes with schmil schmates. And like, that's just a guy in his office bedroom or bedroom office doing it, which is kind of crazy to think about. But all that to come back to the story, because TV, something normal you think is off or even when it's on. It's not listening, taking any data. No one could get access to that. Apparently not. So ACR, as I said, comes to enable by default on most new TVs on LG's ad solutions website. The company says it's ACR technology can help advertisers reach 49 million LG smart TVs in the US and nearly 216 million smart TVs globally. According to the video, what's more concerning is that LG also knows about 363 million secondary devices, phones, computers, iPads, et cetera, which may include smartphones connected to the same network as the TV. As part of the investigation, these, those at gamers nexus were able to extract the names of the secondary devices. That's nice. As well as transcripts of private conversations people were having around the LG TV. And you saw a quick video demonstration of that with it unplugged. So unless they're using total slate of hand and completely lying to you in a very public hundred 35 minute video, I'd say that even if they don't have the full picture, they're pretty onto something here. So let's scroll back up deep to what you had originally, because this was LG's response, which, you know, spoiler alert, it was basically like, yeah, no fancy here. Don't worry. We're not doing nothing wrong. Just trust us. But they LG has denied allegations made by a gaming site that its smart TV eavesdrops on users even after the screen is turned off. Interesting that that's also some language put there. Even after the screen is turned off as if that's what they're saying. Well, you know, when it's turned off, it's fine. But you know, when it's on. So anyway, the claims made in the recently published video are not true, LG tells CNET. LG's TVs process voice data only when the voice button on the remote control is pressed and held, or when a wake word such as high LG is recognized after the user has activated the far field voice recognition feature. I wonder, by the way, Joey Deef, if that includes like if I turn on the TV, right, and I activate the voice feature, and I say go to ESPN. If now once I've done that, and the TV is active, and the remote is activated, if that means it's on now, so long as the TV is on, meaning like it stays. Yeah. And they and what they said there, then. Technically, sleight of hand language wouldn't be a lie. I think that's what they're doing. Okay. The video Joey Deef is on the record. He thinks that's what they're doing. So he's going to check that case out some more. I'm sure the video in question was published by Gamers Nexus on Monday, the team claimed by extracted strength transcripts of conversations captured by the TV's microphone and added that the device logged information about other devices connected to the network. LG says, quote, it's TVs do not collect or record ambient conversations on the second point. LG says, The ability to scan for and connect to nearby devices on the same network is a standard function commonly provided by smart TVs and smart home devices. I'll bet they're right about that, by the way, to be clear. But like, that means the problem's wider here. Let's go down. In any case, if you're uncomfortable with LG using your activity data for its automatic content recognition program, which helps advertisers serve targeted ads, you may turn off a setting called live plus. And this if you guys have an LG TV, listen to this head to settings general system. Advanced settings, live plus. But like, we know how weird it is now that like my phone, which is locked right now, if I say the word, I don't know, with something random. No, Joey D, if I, someone was talking with me earlier about like a Neutrogena skincare product. So I think I'm going to go buy one of those. I'll bet later tonight, there's going to be an ad now for like Neutrogena. Oh, yeah. You know, and Ford F-150. Yeah. You guys out there all have this experience where you're like, no, I did not type that in the phone at all. I didn't say that even when the phone was unlocked. It was just sitting in the room and now it's serving me shit. It happens to me when I just think about it sometimes. That's the creepy one. And I've been testing myself on that because it happens to me too. And then I try to remember like, have I, cause I'm thinking about something. Have I said that? Yeah. Subconsciously. Right? Yeah. It's tough. It is tough. But like moral of the story, we're, we're using, we're giving obviously all our assets around us up to be able to be data points. And when you see that in context with, you know, the current administration completely enabling AI companies to, and, you know, surveillance companies to ramp up surveillance techniques via flock cameras, axon cameras, all these other companies, obviously behind it as well. That we've seen explode since the Trump administration came in, especially. And then you see also like them using the Trojan horse of, I don't know, like no King's protest to test out things that Palantir is using for predictive policing and shit. That's straight out of movies. Then you consider what we all have at home. It's like, man, that privacy is, feels very gone. And it feels like it's been given to us in a world of convenience. To where we, we almost in some ways to keep up with everyone else. I haven't had a choice, but to check out of that, which seems obviously like a rig system, but I don't know, man. Yeah. I don't feel great about it. I don't feel great about it at all. So check your TVs. Yeah. That's, that's kind of the. Smash your TV. Smash your TV. That's right. That's the official policy of Joey Deve. Take your TV. And smash. Outside. Outside. Take the Louisville slugger out. Smash. Yeah. And then stick it in the dumpster and make sure they take it away. And then don't buy a new one. Or you can get one of those big, big fat TVs that we used to have, you know, like the big boxy ones. Yeah. Like where the back is really heavy and shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. That's, you talk about not convenient. We just got to get back to basics. That's the problem. We do have to get back to basics on certain things. And like, there's some trends within Gen Z where they want to be more analog. I like that. On some things. I like that too. I think, I think getting outside and touching grass quite literally, not a bad thing. Not a bad thing. I read a study or not a study. It was a fucking tweet. So who knows if this was real. Maybe we can actually fact check this. But I just thought of it. There was some sort of study that came out, which could mean a lot of things, that people born between the ages of, between the years 1992 and 2003. Had the most unique childhood. And when you think about that, 2003 is a little long in the tooth, I think, but like that range makes sense because those are the ages and I'm in that range. And you're in that range too, Joey Dief. To where at some point in your childhood, when you had the ability to formulate behaviors and make memories, we lived in a world that wasn't completely reliant on iPhones. And even at some point, if you're born in '92, '93, '94, '95, if you're born in '94, '95, '96, you remember a world where smartphones weren't everywhere too. And people weren't just craned in their phones texting and letting that run their life. And there was physical cash at places commonly and kids went outside after school and played. You can remember a world kind of pre-Xbox 360 where you're on the headset. It was like more, hey, if we went inside, we played PlayStation 2, NBA Street Volume 2, or Madden or something like that. And then went outside and did it physically with a football. Yeah. You know? Play Manhunt and shit. Did you find anything on that study? No, it's not a real study. Damn it. It says it's based off the viral social media post, so. Damn it. See, they got me. That's why- But I agree. It is unique in the sense that like I was a beast at like using the computer, but I wasn't on the computer all the time. That's right. I still rode my bike and played Manhunt. It's a balance. I did shit like that. Yeah, yeah. It's a balance. That's how this weekend show, that was the genesis of this. Joey Deef checked out the internet for like a month and said, "Tell me about the Epstein files." I gotta do it again soon, honestly. I'm starting to feel it. It's starting to weigh on me. It is. I noticed that when I can have, when I get my work done on Sundays, and then I'm just letting the wash go in the late afternoon, when I can have that Sunday reset of like just reading a book on the Kindle or something like that, and the phone is just away, and the one time a week where I'm not looking through content and shit like that, and looking through video edits with Danny, or going through production schedule, or setting up thumbnails, or all that shit, like my Monday morning is much more fucking like jump out of bed, let's go. Like I did that yesterday and this morning, I was fucking ready to go. And there, I'm sorry. I don't have to look at science, neither does anyone else out there. You know what I'm talking about. It's just, it has to do with like neuroplasticity and everything, and your brain being active on something that's not just feeding it bullshit all the time. We gotta stay with that. So good on seeing some of the trends of Gen Z really working on that, which I'm sure means, I shouldn't say I'm sure, I have a feeling that we'll see maybe even some bigger trends of nostalgia for things that never existed for them in Gen Alpha that's coming up who are completely growing up in a world that is fully encapsulated by iPhones and screens. And if they'll be curious about a world where they can have some time to not do that. Yeah, we'll see. And then you got to fight against, you saw that fucking get together in DC this weekend. The data center get together. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Then you got shit like that, which is just like, you want to talk about being disconnected. A bunch of fucking political executives or whatever you want to say, skewing towards younger ages, congressional staffers type people and stuff like that, gathering in the biggest cesspool in America known as Washington DC to have a brand and also think tank sponsored fucking rager, air quotes there, over like building more data centers. I watched a few of that. And I actually knew a couple of people that went to that who are going to be getting a phone call from me. So at least one of them is, but like I watched some of the videos from this event and I, and, and I watched them a couple of times cause I was certain. I'm like, that has to be a troll. That can't be real. And then I watched them a couple of times through. I'm like, no, they're dead. They're a little hammered, but like they're dead serious. To be clear. Okay. I understand. Like I'm on YouTube. I'm on Spotify. I understand. I'm on Spotify. I understand like data centers have existed and you know, things like this are literally stored on stuff like that. I'm not. one of these guys that's like, none of this should exist. We should totally get off the internet and shit like that. We should be able to innovate. We should be able to do things that, you know, allow America to also be like a leader in things. Where I take issue with stuff like this, and it's a very reasonable conversation, is that suddenly they are looking to build hundreds of these monstrosities overnight, immediately, far past, far, far past the supply that China is, who also has a bigger population than us, to boot. Far past that, to where people are building it. And obviously, a stereotypical one was the proposed 62 square mile one that Kevin O'Leary built. But they're building these things out in nature, completely taking away from America's like natural assets, if you will, fucking over the water supplies that the same people were lecturing us on about climate change for the last two decades, by the way. And they're going to be lent, and they're going to be leased out to like the worst tenants of big tech, the open AIs, the palantirs and shit like that, who know, I don't trust with my data, right? Like, obviously, they have failed a lot of these tests, and they're being shoved down people's throats to the point that basically money is coming in and influencing two or three fucking councilmen in certain places who vote behind closed doors while they're claiming to represent the people to say, yeah, bring in the money. And they're going to be leased out to like, a data center that's also bringing no jobs and sucking up all the resources. So yeah, I do have a problem with the extent of that build. And to see a bunch of congressional staffers who are probably all fucking each other, good for them. I don't judge, you know, God bless America, you know, gathering in a bar in DC, sponsored by think tanks to fucking drink the night away and say, let's build more AI because we got to beat China, which you've heard me talk about in the last episode, by the way. I keep the China thing in the back of my mind for sure. But like, this is not the way. And it is certainly another example of like, as someone who is literally from the coast my entire life, I am born and raised in New Jersey. So are you, Joey Deve? Yes. This is a prime example of the quote unquote, like, coastal elite thought process versus the rest of America. And the coastal elite people in, you know, a city somewhere like Washington, DC. If you even want to call it that are deciding that they know best and shut the fuck up. And it's the young people doing it. That really left it. It's like, it's like, dude, you like, I'm seeing 23, 24, 25, 28 year olds. They're all fucking shilling this stuff. I'm like, that's what you're doing. Yeah, it's cool. It's cool to them. They rock the Palantir gear and shit. Yeah, it's well, Joey Deve, it's gay. I mean, I agree. And I just, too much, too fast, too much, too fast. And I'm never going to apologize for saying, let's chill on it again. It's a, it's a balance, you know, for us to have certain conveniences in life. Like, yeah, you can have them, but you know what, as someone who like lives in Hoboken, right by New York city, build, build some of this shit in the city or something. And I live here and I'm not even advocating for that, but I'm like, do that before you build it in the middle of some beautiful fucking mountain range. Yeah. I mean, they, they, I'd rather see them destroy like 42nd street and build a data center there. Yes. If I had my brothers time, like, like socks there. Yeah. Like I, I don't, I don't want to see like these picturesque places totally blown up, you know? And yeah, there was, they should run the data centers. All the people who attended that party should have to run the data center. So then when like, it starts to go South and the robots start like screaming that they want to kill them. They want to kill us all. They got it. They got to be our front line. That's right. That's right. So they can, they can put their money where their mouth is and I think that's fight the robots on our behalf. Yeah. You know what, actually, if, if they're willing to do that, then I'll change my opinion on them. Yeah. I'll change my opinion because they're, they, they will, they will bravely sacrifice themselves to save, try to save humanity. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I think it's fair. I see that. I think that's fair. That's the like that. It's honestly just the businessman in me. The business cause, you know, cause it's just like, let's just do good bids. You guys want to ruin the world. All right. For your, your first line of defense. Great. Great. But yeah, I, I did, I did have some good conversations with some people offline, including some people I know who were, you know, agree with me on a lot of the, a lot of the issues we talk about on this show, but they're, they were like, some of the data center stuff feels like it's also like just total, anti-technology. And I was like, no, no, no, no. It is. It's about the, the semantics of how this is happening, the speed and the people doing it. And us all righteously having a real problem with that to be a check to the balance and say, slow the fuck down. And who are we giving this power to? And why is Kevin O'Leary, you know, the fucking shark tank guy investing in Utah so that he can sell off, you know, the lease space to fucking Peter Thiel. Yeah. I'm going to, I'm going to be like, hit the chill pill on that. And I'll make no apologies for that. Which by the way, Kevin O'Leary, still an open invite. You're more than welcome to come on. I think he did decline. It's fair to say. Well, but he's a coward. I liked him in Marty Supreme. He did a nice job there. I'll give him that. He did crush it in that film. He did crush it in that. You always, you got to call it like you see it. He did crush it. In that film. Maybe he should do more acting and less data centering. Yeah. Just a food for thought. Yeah. You know, like I could get behind the acting. It was, it felt like he was kind of playing himself a little bit. I don't know if that's a compliment, but you know, certainly knocked it out of the park. Well done. Did well. Four and a half gold stars. But Joey Deve, there is a story I've been, I've been waiting, waiting with bated breath to get to this one. There's a story that went really under the radar and I'm going to talk about scriptwriters. You couldn't make this one up. And I haven't told you about this one yet. You're going to find out about this for the first time. Hit me. But if you heard about this guy, and let me just make sure I pronounce this correctly, which means I'm definitely not going to. Leopold Aschenbrenner. The German. The German. Yes. No. You haven't heard about him. Okay. Let's, let's talk about Leopold because right now Leopold is still running a multi, multi-billion dollar AI themed. Hedge fund. But there's a lot more to this story that is very incestuous as well, if you might say. So Leopold Aschenbrenner, definitely not retarded. I'll give him that. He's, he's reckless very clearly, but he's not retarded. He, he went to Columbia and was the valedictorian graduating at age 19. So I have to say, he's definitely got a brain up there to be able to do that. Props to him for that. But, you know, I think sometimes Joey Deef, especially like if you may be smart on the IQ scale, but you're young and then you're also like kind of ahead of the curve. So you get a real big head about it, which he does appear to have a pretty big head. But, you know, I think sometimes that can put you in a bad position, especially when you're even younger than you're supposed to be getting out of college to make some really dumb decisions, or even maybe think, you know, how the world works before you actually get a chance to. Find out. You think it's probably fair to say? I think that's fair. Yeah. Yeah. It's fair to say. That's fair. So Leopold comes out of college, not the closet. And you know where he worked, Joey Deef? Uh, Oracle. It's worse. It's actually way worse. A16Z or whatever. It is significantly worse than that. I'm going to give you a hint. I'm going to give you a hint real quick. At Columbia, and I'm reading this part straight. Straight from CIApedia. While at Columbia, he co-founded the university's effective altruism chapter. Oh. You remember that movement? The effective altruism. Oh, so FTX? He did work at FTX. Wow. I'm going to get to the deets of that in a second. But effective altruism is like this weird fucking fake psychedelic-y, you know, not like actual psychedelic-y, but like they feel important movement that was emanating out of Silicon Valley. Especially in the aughts and the 2010s, where all these like kind of autistic Silicon Valley types were talking about using technology that serves humanity to potentially be the best. Can you actually pull up the definition of it just so that people fully understand so I explain it correctly? But it was essentially like hiding more, hiding keyboard tyranny behind the mask of morality. That's how I would describe it. But effective altruism is a philosophical and social movement that uses evidence and careful, it's not just reasoning, it's careful reasoning to find the most effective ways to help others and maximize positive impact. It's even written like a true autist, right? Like maximize positive impact. It's not like let's make people happy or whatever. No, we have to solve for maximizing positive impact. Yeah. It's just, I cringe when I hear stuff like that. And there's been so many people so many people over the years who like claim to adhere to this and then turn out to be kind of monsters i want to say i don't want to give stolen valor here i don't want to give a claim against someone i already don't like very much that's wrong can you just google real quick joey deef if sam altman has ever commented on effective altruism i'm trying to think if i'm getting him mixed up with someone else on this sam altman famously remarked about the movement i used to be annoyed at being the villain of the eas until i met their heroes so yeah he's a fan okay my point exactly right there so some of the worst people you know some of the more psychopathic people that claim to be you know they talk in a soft tone like yeah you know we're solving to maximize positive outcomes for people and you know that that's really all we're trying i mean this is how sam altman talks but you know behind it it doesn't seem like he's doing a lot of things that for humanity doesn't seem to care that much about the impact of what his tools may or may not do in this case i should say may do that's very negative for humanity including for the future of the population itself but that's neither here nor there so this guy leopold founds the chapter of effective altruism at columbia which already should have been a big fucking red flag but on top of that as joey deef said joined ftx after he left college he's left college so he specifically joined the ftx future fund team in february 2022 straight from cia pedia right here the team was part of the ftx foundation which is the philanthropic arm of crypto exchange ftx and provided grant funding for research topics that would quote improve humanity's long-term prospects unquote which you know improving humanity's long-term prospects that sounds fucking great joey deef yeah i'm on board this is a part of like a great way to explain this is edward snowden's old explanation of the save the puppies act whenever you see like an act passed in congress that sounds like oh my god how could you ever vote against that it's so it's so like everyone can get behind that just by the name he's like those are usually the most dangerous acts think of the patriot act right so he's a part of this the this ftx foundation the the team that's on the ftx foundation ashen brunner ended up resigning a long time alongside other team members on november 11th and he's a part of the ftx foundation and he's a part of the ftx foundation on november 11 2022 the same day ftx filed for bankruptcy that's what you gotta do joey if you get off the sinking ship when you're lost at sea and i i can't even blame him for that but he also resigned a he he resigned with the woman who would become his future wife nice who i'm gonna i'm gonna get to their lovely wedding that they had in august that's coming but do you know where where she works now joey deef nowhere so avidol balwit that's her name is joey deef and joey deef is the uh where so avidol balwit that's her name fellow researcher at the future humanity institute and later joined ashen brunner as a member of ftx future fund team after they resigned she later became the chief of staff to the ceo of anthropic nice they all know each other they all fuck each other they're all a part of the same little fucking club and you me and all of us aren't fucking in it so they're at ftx they get off the sinking ship where do you think leopold went after that joey um i don't know maybe he went to like a startup or a small company build it from the ground up right you would think like you know you'd take some time off your personal brand's not doing too great having worked at the biggest fucking fraud outlet in modern history right now yeah but no he landed on his feet he went to open ai nice went to open ai and he was working on some projects there and this is where it gets weird so at some point in 2024 he was fired and when he was fired he was a part of the team with ilia sutskever i think his name is who ended up also he was like a high up guy at open ai might have been a co-founder don't quote me on that but ilia in 2024 was also removed from the company because he had concerns that emanated to all the way back to like sam altman as a guy running the company but leopold worked on his team and was fired and claims that it was retribution for leaking an internal report that something about it had been made public it was a little murky like it was a he said she said and then the company said no that's not why why he was fired but he says when they met with him and fired him that's why they fired him but he had written this paper called something along the lines of like situational awareness for the future of ai something like that and so the paper went really viral because it it broke down all of the supply chain effectively that went in that goes into creating ai and therefore what industries are going to have like the biggest push over the next decade while the ai industry is being created like who's going to profit off of that that you could invest in if you're a potential you know stock investor and so as a result a bunch of finance guys looked at this young former valedictorian from colombia who just left open ai and said leopold you're going to start a hedge fund so they spin them up with this hedge fund and vc at vvc intern did a really good breakdown of what happened to this hedge fund in 2026 again what could possibly go wrong when you got a 24 25 year old kid suddenly managing billions of dollars in assets with no previous experience investing i could think of a thing or ten anyway so from at vv the underscore vc underscore intern guests were arriving in carmel for leopold ashenbrenner's wedding while banks were preparing to liquidate his hedge fund i said i would get to his wedding while his hedge fund was like basically going belly up i'm going to explain the details with this tweet in a second the dude was getting married in some lavish marriage ceremony at the beginning of august perfectly going through with it didn't delay it didn't move it back while people were losing their ass to the tune of 35 billion more on that in a second just you know kind of interesting optics right there situational awareness had started july with roughly 45 billion dollars and it gained 439 percent in six months i'll give them this that's impressive 439 percent in six months is really good what it does do though you know you basically spin up this hedge fund you're suddenly making 5x returns in the first six months of it you get a big head and you start making bets and from every story i've ever followed on wall street of people who fall they get a big head and they start making bets they start gambling with usually with other people's money including their own so they had gained 439 percent in six months ashenbrenner was 24 had never managed money before 2025 and built one of wall street's fastest growing funds by turning his ai sa into a portfolio going long memory checks chips meaning investing in them data centers and power short software companies he expected ai to commoditize much of that exposure was financed with borrowed money so he's levering up money which is very similar to what the banks did during the housing crisis when they were just betting on all these fucking terrible jumbo mortgages so when ai stocks reversed falling prices reduced the collateral supporting those loans banks demanded more cash so they're asking for their reserves to come back in selling stocks pushed prices lower which produced more margin calls so he's getting called to have to produce even more money in liquidate and ashenbrenner later compared it to a bank run situational reportedly spent about 24 hours finding one buyer for roughly 16 billion dollars worth of public equities ken griffin citadel took the leverage book in a block trade while wedding guests gathered in california if you remember ken griffin and citadel were the firm on the other side of the board and they were the ones that were the ones that were the ones that started the trade one of the firms involved on the other side of the trade in the robin hood height in january 2021 so ken comes back around again clean cut clean cut save the day a little 16 billy for the boys and says i'll take this off your hand leo a planned sale of 3.5 billion dollars in anthropic shares was abandoned situational kept its private holdings and removed all leverage from what remained july's losses reached 67 percent which is a lot of money which is about the same number as the full losses of the financial crisis from an s&p 500 perspective in 2008 2009 just you know for people keeping scores at home he did that in one month here is the absurd arithmetic 100 invested at the beginning of 2026 became 539 by june losing 67 percent reduced it to about 178 one of the most dramatic hedge fund collapses in years still left early investors roughly 80 ahead for the year the later investors which is most of them by the way have been fucked and liquidated to the tune of billions of dollars across them just to be clear so the earliest people are doing okay and apparently the earliest people do okay in a ponzi scheme half the fucking time too so that's neither here nor there but recovering and i love this line that this guy put in here because this is like so true and people don't think about this recovering from a 67 percent loss requires a 203 percent gain i remember when i worked back on wall street one of the things i would always say to people when we were talking about like risk with investments is i'd be like all right if you have a hundred dollars and you lose 50 how much do you have and they'd say 50 bucks and i say now what percentage do you have to gain to get back to even to a hundred they'd look up and they'd be like like 100 i say yeah you get more hurt on the downside than you do help on the upside that's like one of the things like comes back to even like just a broad base old cliche quote of like takes money to make money right so lose money make less too so this guy basically fucked over all these people and was having a fire sale on the back end getting bailed out literally by people like ken griffin and still went ahead with his marriage that weekend i don't know what his personal net worth is and everything but i guarantee you guarantee you he is still worth in the tens of millions of dollars maybe hundreds i can't that's pure spec i don't know he's still got his lavish lifestyle and everything and you would think after such an event like this that required private basically like for lack of a better way of putting it private lenders so to speak that's not what they are but like people like ken griffin to come in to liquidate and like clean this guy up you would think that that might trigger something like you know some sort of like they have like that stop loss kind of trigger in a stock market sometimes when yeah some news triggers have run on a stock and then they stop it from trading you would think maybe they'd be like yo yeah this this hedge fund you can't do any can't do it he just put another 400 to 500 million in private investment in something the other day we're we're in september october now like again for the 50th million time it's a big club you and i are not in it i mean that is deep that is fucking wild that he can get away with that yeah and it says that his net worth is estimated between 300 million and 1.6 billion so okay yeah so he is in the hundreds of millions he's doing all right and that's an estimation but he's not in the hundreds of millions he's doing all right and that's an estimation but listen no meals listen no meals listen no meals right the current status to fund strength this right the current status to fund strength this right the current status to fund strength this is straight from google ai the fund shrank to is straight from google ai the fund shrank to is straight from google ai the fund shrank to roughly 10 billion exited the public equities roughly 10 billion exited the public equities roughly 10 billion exited the public equities market entirely and shifted its focus to market entirely and shifted its focus to market entirely and shifted its focus to remaining private investments such as a remaining private investments such as a remaining private investments such as a stake in anthropic which is a public stake in anthropic which is a public stake in anthropic which is a public company i believe right am i up company i believe right am i up company i believe right am i up right now anthropic's fully public right right now anthropic's fully public right right now anthropic's fully public right yeah i think so yeah i think so yeah i think so the securities and exchange commission the securities and exchange commission the securities and exchange commission it's not it's not oh they they have an it's not it's not oh they they have an it's not it's not oh they they have an ipo coming up that's what it is yeah ipo coming up that's what it is yeah ipo coming up that's what it is yeah right that that's that's why i'm right that that's that's why i'm right that that's that's why i'm thinking about that so the securities thinking about that so the securities thinking about that so the securities and exchange commission don't know where and exchange commission don't know where and exchange commission don't know where they've been on this but apparently they've been on this but apparently they've been on this but apparently they're looking into it they're looking into it they're looking into it they they got their people on it they they they got their people on it they they they got their people on it they subsequently opened an inquiry into the subsequently opened an inquiry into the subsequently opened an inquiry into the trading practices and leverage utilized trading practices and leverage utilized trading practices and leverage utilized by the fund in its rapid rise by the fund in its rapid rise by the fund in its rapid rise and near collapse can we actually i and near collapse can we actually i and near collapse can we actually i think i got rid of that link can you think i got rid of that link can you think i got rid of that link can you just type this in real quick so i make just type this in real quick so i make just type this in real quick so i make sure i have this right sure i have this right sure i have this right did leopold ashenbrunner recently invest did leopold ashenbrunner recently invest did leopold ashenbrunner recently invest in some more in some more in some more private holdings i saw something when i private holdings i saw something when i private holdings i saw something when i was looking through this earlier was looking through this earlier was looking through this earlier and i think i just forgot to screenshot and i think i just forgot to screenshot and i think i just forgot to screenshot it it it or he just put another four or 500 or he just put another four or 500 million and i want to make sure i get that right yep okay so leopold asher brunner's hedge fund situational awareness recently made a 400 million dollar investment into an undisclosed private company it's the best kind right undisclosed don't tell anyone what it is perfect the 400 million dollar private equity infusion closed in early august right around the time of his wedding too after the run on the bank it followed a previous 100 million dollar stake the fund had taken in the same undisclosed company the month prior bringing their total commitment to 500 million because that's what you do when you lose everyone fucking 203 percent or whatever it was overnight 35 billion you make sure you take your previous investments where you put 10 bucks on fucking red and now you put 40 you quint you quadruple down baby happened right after you got and that's how you got to catch up the move came immediately after the fund narrowly avoided collapse and sold off the bulk of its public tech equities portfolio to ken griffin's citadel following steep market routes and margin calls in july 2026 i'm all for people starting their own companies trying to build their businesses you know get success or whatever a 24 year old with no previous investment experience whatsoever coming from a totally separate world starting a hedge fund that raises for 45 billion dollars worth including in gains so it didn't raise that it raised you know whatever it was 15 billion or something like that 10 billion in year one seems like something that should probably be a little bit regulated around or mark off some areas of being forced to be in given some private scrutiny you know like one of the things that really frustrated me when i worked at bank of america merrill lynch right out of college is that i used to joke with people you had to ask permission for toilet paper to take a shit and the reason for that was in the post-financial crisis world of 08-09, where to be clear, banks fucked everyone, including Bank of America, including Merrill Lynch, which Bank of America bought in a fire sale during the whole fucking thing because they had torn it up in all the wrong ways in the housing market. The problem with the whip-em-a-roll on that is that the banks, the sections of the banks that fucked this up, first of all, those people should have all gone to prison. That's number one. None of that ever happened. As far as I know, not one person went to prison who did that. Secondly, the real estate companies they worked with, like the Angelo Mozilla or whatever, I forget what company, Countrywide, whatever it was, those guys should have all gone to prison. The dudes you saw testifying from the credit swap teams, including that French guy from Goldman Sachs, all those people should have gone to prison. The banks should have been regulated like crazy on proprietary trading because if you don't know the history, when Glass-Steagall, and it's been a while since I looked at this, so I'm going to keep it really broad. When Glass-Steagall was brought in as legislation in, I believe, 1934, when the Great Depression happened, the whole point was to keep the banks from using their money to make bets on the market when they would need to have a certain amount that could actually fulfill customers if they wanted to take out money. A big problem in the Great Depression is people went to take their money out of the bank and none of it was left there because the banks had used the money. My finance people in the comment sections, please, for the love of God, clean that up right now because I'm doing this off the gander without having looked at this in a while. In, I believe, 1998 or 1999, Bill Clinton effectively repealed Glass-Steagall. This was after Blythe Masters basically was the godmother of, I believe, DevOps in, I want to say, like 1994 at J.P. Morgan, and it was starting to spread on Wall Street. And so when Clinton repealed that, which I'm sure Joey D, if he definitely wasn't lobbied to do that, they would never do that. No, he made that choice. Yeah, he just made that call on his own, obviously, because Bill's a great trader, I'm sure. But anyway, so when he repealed that, it basically allowed the banks to start betting on this like crazy, and that's how you led to the next eight years of one-page sign-right-here mortgages sold by guys like Tim Dillon. Dillon, hilarious stories if you never heard Tim tell those stories about his days as a mortgage broker. But like, you know, you'd have someone walk in on $45,000 worth of income buying a house for $1.4 million, where the rate's going to fucking jump three years in, and it's going to explode. And of course, nothing's going to happen. But they were incentivized to do that because the mortgage companies, again, it's been a while since I look at this, would basically just sell off that fucking asset to the banks real quick, who would take a bunch of assets like that, put it all up and sell that as like an investment to a bunch of people, including pension funds and major investment houses, that was later going to blow up once no money came in from the mortgages to where people couldn't pay it. And then the losses were going to come on the investors, which is exactly what happened. It was predatory. It was criminal. It was wrong. It should have been regulated like shit, like crazy. The fucking people that ran those teams should have gone to jail. The CEOs, it wasn't all of them as far as I know, but like some of the CEOs, like the guy, what was it? Dick Fold. I believe that was actually his name. Can we check that? Is it Dick Fold, F-U-L-D from Lehman Brothers? Like that guy should have gone to jail because he was fully aware of what they were doing on that team. Obviously, banks are big places. He never went to jail though. He never went to jail. Guys like that all should have gone to jail and those teams almost like shouldn't have been allowed to exist at all, let alone trade on proprietary money. But what ended up happening is the regulation went to the entire banks, which the reason we had an issue with this in certain places is because it was awful for the customers of banks. It made their lives hell because they couldn't do anything without us having to do 47 million things behind the scenes on stuff that had nothing to do with mortgages, nothing to do with any of that shit. I will say when I would work, a couple of times, I worked on mortgages for people and it was a pain in the ass, but that was one thing where when I was working on it, I'm like, this is actually good. Like, this is how it should be because I know what this did and I could see the due diligence that was required from like a KYC, know your client perspective, that would go into a mortgage to prevent you selling predatory mortgages. And like, that's where it worked. But then like, you know, I couldn't text a client like on a daily basis to like say, hey, what's up or something like shit like that. Like they'd have regulation like that. like that. And it was crazy for banks. Then you see things like this pop up and you see guys I've had on the podcast warning about like an AI bubble that could be very much like a dot-com bubble where a lot of these companies end up being worth nothing, which could be coming and could blow up the stock market and stuff. And you are going to see these governments not doing anything about it now when they should be. But as always, the government's then going to be forced to react afterwards. And they're going to make your life as a customer more miserable on basic deposits and shit that has nothing to do with this because people like this are allowed to operate with impunity. Thank you guys for checking out this clip. If you haven't already subscribed, please subscribe and hit the like button on this video. It is a huge, huge help. And if you'd like to check out this clip's full podcast episode, that link is in the description below or right here. And finally, you can follow me on Instagram and X by using the links in my description below.