The Dark Truth Behind Satalogic: Whitney Webb's Latest Investigation

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I didn't make that up, but I didn't come up with that by the way. That was a comment on Twitter. That's awesome. Well, you were the guy to launch Billy Carson, so that's on the. Dude, dude. I think Zhang's a little bit better than Billy Carson. You got to give him a little bit more credit. I think he's right about some stuff, but most of the shit, he's, you know, he's way out there. He's like a mix between Carson and, uh, and Madscare, I think. Oh, Carson, Madscare, across that. Billy Carson. Billy Carson, Kurt Madscare, Hybrid. That sounds like I'm not high enough. From China. You sweep the fuck studio for bugs after that, though. Oh, fuck yeah. Right. Now, how do you sweep? You have, like, a metal detector? Like, what do you do? Uh, I call in this guy named Jeremy Riss, and he flies down from Boston, and he's got a DARPA sweeper, and he runs around my whole office. Checking out of the chairs, he rips the chairs apart, make sure there's no one. Did I send you that clip of when he did that on my podcast? When after you had the Karyaku in there, he's like, no, no, it was right under Karyaku. Carson, sit me. I had Karyaku in here that I had this guy, Jeremy Riss, and he was ripping apart the chairs, looking under him. There was a bug. It was the funniest thing in the fucking world, dude. Jesus Christ. Well, you're killing it, bro. It's amazing to see how far it's come. I feel like every single episode is like a fucking test hit on YouTube every time the titles are obviously always something I have to click, but yeah, you ever reflect on it? No, not really, man. I just enjoy watching your show. I feel like we both, we've both been on a tear lately, bro. It's just crazy. It's crazy to see you guys. You and Joey Deef over here, making it happen every day I look on YouTube, and you guys are just blowing up, dude, you're like the pure spec, uh, solo episodes that you're doing. It's incredible, bro, because the reason I love it, and I've been telling you this for years, and I know you know this, is I've been telling you that your solo episodes from the beginning of your podcast when you were in your mom's house are some of the most entertaining goddamn shit I've ever seen in my life. And I only get it on phone calls or on like the first three episodes of your podcast. And finally, it's actually part of your podcast, which I'm very happy to see, dude, because it's you. It's you being you. And it's so refreshing. I appreciate that, bro. You know what, you have been telling me that for years since we knew each other, but it's like, I think we put out like 30 something of these this year, since that started. You though have a library of about 500 of them, just, you know, 470, no one's ever going to hear it. Just on the phone. But like, I love the one where you're shadow boxing in the beginning, you're like, well, I was at the very beginning of the podcast and I did a few, put the fuck in rock mullet. Yeah. Hey, guys, three quick things. Number one, if you haven't subscribed, please subscribe to YouTube Help. Number two, if you'd like to join my Patreon for early, uncensored releases of the full episodes, you can join via the link in my description or in the pinned comment below. And number three, if you'd like to join my clipping community for a chance to make content from the show and make money, you can join via the Discord link in my description below. No, but you were encouraging me to do that and it just kind of, but it happened very naturally. We just did a Patreon and then, you know, at the time the 200 Patrons were like, you must put this public and we did and then the rest was kind of history, you know. Yeah. It's a crazy year, dude. It feels like every red line's been crossed this year, you know, when you look at things happening in the world, when you look at things happening at home that people want to sweep under the rug, when you look at, you know, and now even, you can't even get away from shit like, flat cameras. It's just like, it's one of those years where you're constantly faced with the, did George Orwell write about this? Yes. Is it still happening? Yes. Are we going to talk about it? I guess we have to. Mm hmm. Yeah. I get all my news now from not just Tim Dylan, but you every Saturday is just consuming you and Tim Dylan. So it's a hell of a comment. It's a great way to get your news, man. Am I the news guy for it? Your mind is guy. I'm like the news guy for whatever it's worth. So the only problem is now I don't get over the phone. I just have to watch it on YouTube. So I get to, I get to absorb it in chunks. Yeah. You get sneak previews on the phone. That's where I work out my material and everything, you know? Mm hmm. Yeah. For sure. Yeah, man. The whole, the whole flock, eh, I shit is so strange. Like I told you, I didn't really know much about it. I was kind of checked out on it until I was listening to your episode when I called you there a day. And it's strange. I actually googled it and I found out there's like hundreds of them in my county in Florida. And they're not just put in like the flock cameras, but they're also hijacking traffic cameras, apparently. They're hijacking traffic. Well, there's, you know, how there's existing traffic, red light cameras everywhere. Apparently, they figured out how to put the plug the AI into those. So they can like corroborate with all the other flock cameras, allegedly. That's what I heard. That's what I read anyways. Yeah, it's like, we have the problem with this in our hands at all times, the phone. Like that's clear, there's some clear issues right here, for sure. But there's at least the semantics or the illusion of using something like that in the privacy or your home, the illusion of it, at least with this. There's no illusion. It's like you walk out on the street. This thing can track you. You're in a public space. It can invade your privacy that way. It just seems totally anti-American. Yeah. Well, one of if not the most common DMs I get on Instagram are many of you asking me what my favorite books are. Well, today's your lucky day because if you use the link in my description below to join my newsletter, I'm going to give you my top 10 book recommendations right now. Also, if you'd like to join my clipping community for a chance to make money producing content from the show, you can do so via the Discord link in my description below. And finally, you can join my Patreon for early uncensored releases of the full episodes via the Patreon link in my description below. As always, please take one second to hit that subscribe button. If you haven't already, I really appreciate that. Also the like button's a big help and you can join my newsletter via the link in the description. There's that. And then there's the fucking sadologic shit that Whitney Red just wrote about. Did you read that? No. Please, just read this insane Whitney web article that it's like on the level of like the true whoop guy wrote about the Epstein thing. It took me three and a half days to read it. And it's all about this dude named a man, Emiliano Cargimen, is that sound familiar? No. He's a Venezuelan dude who has this, um, he has this power company in Venezuela called Soul Energy and he's been working with the Millay dude in Venezuela, Argentina, rather. Yeah, this is the article right here. It's fucking crazy, dude. Emilio Cargimen. Yeah. So, so this guy has a company called Satelogic where he's been launching satellites into space in partnership with NASA at Palantir and open AI. Yeah, let's just get, let's go to the menu and just take all the fucking entrace. All the chef's special. Yeah. So, it's not just like 3D Google Earth level shit, but it's like that on steroids and live feed 24/7. You know how you can get footage? You know DARPA and all these guys can get like a shot of a guy sitting on a park drinking a cup of coffee, read the newspaper. Pretty, like, they could probably read the newspaper. That's how they read this fucking mind. That's how good the satellites are now. This shit's like next level. This shit can probably read their mind and it's like combined with AI and there's all this money going into it right now with Palantir, AI or Palantir Open AI and NASA. So this guy Cargimen, he's also tied into Elon and all those PayPal dudes like Patel. And it's just this crazy partnership of all these super big tech billionaires that are investing all this money into this Stargate Argentina. Stargate? That is so fucking dark. It's in Patagonia and they're investing all this money into these data centers in Patagonia. Yeah, bro. This huge data center that Melae is trying to get installed down there and they got the contract with Sam Altman to run the whole thing as soon as it gets built. It's like $25 billion or something. Isn't he selling off land? I'm going to pull up Deves got something right here in one second. Isn't he selling off land in Patagonia though too? It's like highest bidder, right? I think so. I think so, yeah. Melae? Yeah. He's trying to do that and they're trying to, they're trying to do all kinds of crazy crap. It's all just fucking wealth extraction shit. It's all it is. The guys just trying to make tons of fucking money off Argentina and he's lying to all the people trying to get him out of there and trying to move the people out of the land and sell it off. So they can bring in all these AI companies to build these data centers and they're lying to all the people telling them that's going to bring a job. Well, you got the car game and guy on camera saying this ain't going to bring no jobs to Argentina. Wait, he's on camera saying, there's a, she links to an interview of him on camera saying that. But then you have Melae saying it's going to bring in jobs for everyone. It's going to create more for the economy, but you have his business partner, the Satellite guy who's part of this whole thing saying it's going to do the opposite. Yeah, I also don't like that we're calling him his business partner too. Right. and sit in the middle of the room. Right. Had a state. What the fuck are we doing? What? So, Dave, you have this highlight right here. Silicon Valley to an impressive and unprecedented degree. He has developed generous tax benefits schemes for foreign U.S. big tech firms. This is referring to this millionaire guy to operate in the country while offering those that seek to park their data centers, or I'm sorry, this is referring to my lay, their data centers in the country next to the regulation regarding their construction or operation earlier this year, my lay wrote in editorial in the Financial Times where he invited AI to free itself. That's not weird at all. And proposed allowing AI run companies with no humans involved to operate in his country. While some pointed out that the statutes, the statements seemed to value AI activity over human activity, that is not an isolated incident. For instance, one advisor in my lay's inner circle, Damien Ray-Del has controversially argued that humans are in fact Argentina's biggest problem, particularly in Argentine Patagonia, because they present an obstacle to AI infrastructure and development in the region. Now, Danny, I feel like I'm not putting on too much of a tim for a hat here, but it's not a good look for, like, what is he, a 55-year-old head of state. I think he's like unmarried without kids to be talking about and having people in his inner circle talking about humans being the obstacle. Scroll down, look at the photo of him posing with Sam Altman, it's fucking hilarious. It's just like and you wanted a video of him, dude, there's a link to a video in there. Oh, that's right, Kurzweil, that's weird too. This thing is so, this whole article is so deep. Oh, there's Elon. Yeah, there's Elon and all his buddies that are all tied into all this stuff. That's James Cameron. You see that? Yeah, James Cameron, on the left-hand side, yeah. So there's this dude who is in that photo. Who's that guy in the left right there? You know that guy is Julian? Michael Griffin. What do you know about Michael Griffin? Is that the hedge fund guy? He used to be the CEO of the A.R. investment company in Qtell. He was the CEO of InQtell. And then he was in 2005, they made him the head of NASA. And this guy's like best buddies with Elon and this cargyman, dude. And they're all connected with Teal at the same time. Dude, she's connecting so many dots in this article. It's great. It's hilarious. Why does everything, and I mean this genuinely, why does everything come back to Peter Teal these days? Like when if you do the old Jim Diorio line, just follow the money, the money always goes to him. We can look at it politically. We can look at it technologically. We can look at it through financial transactions. You can look at it through the fucking Epstein files. The money finds its way back to Peter Teal. And I also talk to someone recently who would know, I'll say that, that like his net worth is way below, excuse me, way above where it's reported to be. I don't know what it's reported at these days, but like he's a fucking gazillionaire. Apparently he's got, and I think this one has been reported. He's got like five or six billion dollars in a fucking Roth IRA or something. Wow. I don't even know how that's possible. The Vanguard, just on the S&P 500, I'm not 10%. I'm sure it's not in that. But like, call Chris. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, it's called big ebs. Three cameras. Three cameras. But like yeah, 32 billion to 33 billion is just reported net worth, and I was told it's way higher than that. Yeah. So another like very interesting thing about that whole story was, is that there's this huge push in like the early 2000s when they were sitting in those chairs during that meeting to move NASA private and basically privatize all the space industry. Like the whole, all the NASA itself, NASA specific will not like NASA, the fucking label NASA, right? Like that's still going to exist. But they were trying to basically gut the bureaucracy, like the government bureaucracy of NASA and privatize everything, bring all the talent, private. That's how they created and funded SpaceX. And there was the NASA aim center, I guess in California where they're doing all kinds of private stuff and all this satellite stuff, like the satellite thing, satellite. Like the satellite thing combined with Palantir and all this other AI shit. What are you doing? Keep going. Oh, okay. Keep rolling. He's adjusting the cameras, folks. I've been microdosing something new lately, and it's not what you think. A lot of people refer to as nature's wine. The mushroom I'm talking about is called Aminita Muscaria. You know, the red one with the white spots you've seen in every fairy tale ever. But here's the thing, unlike psilocybin microdosing, Aminita doesn't push you into a psychedelic headspace. It's like a gentle nervous system reset. 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That link is in my description below, and use code JDP22 for 22% off your first order. It's www.amintara.com/go/jullian link by the description below, JDP22 as your code to check out for 22% off your first order. Should I be like Matan over here and? No, he already did your fucking table. Yeah, dude, that's great. It's great. He added character to it. I love it. He did add a little character. Yeah, it's like a story behind every stain. Yeah, he's like, you're going to have to fly up this Danny Jones to help build you. What's his, is he Israeli? He's half Israeli, half something in Asia. Okay. And he didn't break character at all? No. Not once. Off air? Well, when we finished, it was like, watch it. We'll come back to what Danny was talking about, everyone. But we're talking about Matan, Evan, if you haven't watched his content, he's fucking hilarious. But like, he does this bit character where he plays this, like, right wing troll. Yeah. And I would say when we finished, it was like watching a video game character, Clitch, a little bit, like, you know, when they're, like, spawning in, but they're, which isn't they spawning out? Yeah. He'd be like, fuck yourself. He's like, yeah, no, that was really good, man. I'm like, what? Which one is that? Like, all right. I just, I'm in hell. I just for the last two hours and 10 minutes, I was just, like, lobbing fucking fastball back and forth. All right. Back to Palantir. Yeah. So, so this 2005 push to privatize all this shit was Elon and Teal were like huge behind this stuff. Because this Michael Griffin dude, right. So he was the head of NASA and through NASA, he gave, I guess, Teal. I'm, again, everything I'm saying is not this is all pure spec all coming from this Whitney web article. Okay. So I didn't do this research. I just read this stupid article. And so all of this fucking money and all this talent started to flow into these companies. And basically, like, what I glean from this whole thing is what they're doing is they're trying to take all of this, like, government power and technology and move it private so they can make the money off it directly, right. And there's also shit they can do, like, the other thing I think is there was that, oh, what the fuck is that guy? He's John Poindexter, the DARPA guy who was the total information awareness guy who's trying to push that through Congress and got shut down because it was just too draconian and they was too, like, way too much for the early 2000, I think it was early 2000s. That's hard to do. So he wanted to do the total information awareness thing. And I guess what they did was, was everything, all the technology that Palantir's gotten is basically the same shit that DARPA wanted to do with the total information awareness. It's just privatized now. So now it's not the government doing. It's a company doing it. It's Peter Teal. And can we Google when Palantir was founded officially? And I just want to tie together some time lines here, I love the way you tell them to Google shit. You already know the answer. I think you're cooking. Yeah. May 6, 2003. Wow. Very, very convenient timing, right there, you know. And they got one of their first financial backings from InCutel itself, which is also tying into what you saw. Yeah. The other guy who was the CEO, right. So. Lonstown? No, no, no. Michael Griffin, CEO of InCutel, they moved in. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Right. So. And then combining that with the whole satellite thing and how you have all these incestuous people, they're all like one big family and they're just incorporating all of their different companies into one thing. It just seems like, I don't know what's scarier. Like when you have these AI, Doomsday whistleblower is talking about like how AI is going to take over the world. Or is that just like some limited hangout to distract us from this crazy shit with the satellites and the total information awareness tracking everything with AI and like, it also talks about these digital clones of digital clones where they want to make clones. If you just command search that, it'll talk about this. It wants to create using the satellite company digital clones of all the people in Argentina who are social media and their whole digital footprint to do predictive policing. Oh, Jesus. - Minority report. - Minority report. - Yeah, and that's what all these guys are super into, this predictive policing stuff. - All right, so in an interview earlier this year with Forbes, Argentina, Cargiman remarked that Merlin will soon allow us to do things we never imagined. With AI and Merlin, we can begin to predict the future. As noted in previous reporting from Unlimited Hangout, which is Whitney Webb's blog, a long time major focus of Palantir's predictive analytics, particularly predictive policing often referred to as pre-crime. And this is where like, I mean, you heard Ellison just talking about this openly. He didn't use the words predictive policing, but he's at that conference, whatever that was a couple months ago, and he's just going through. He's like, what the fuck? Like we're just, you know, everyone will be on their best behavior because cameras will be watching them at all times, evaluating everything they do, all their behaviors. And it's like my brother in Christ, this is not China. Like this is America, my friend. What the fuck are you talking about? - Right. You know, even Zhang was telling me all the stuff the camera isn't AI that they have to surveil it, all the stuff that they have in China to surveil everybody, is nowhere near, according to him, as sophisticated as the stuff in the US. He was saying like, you know how we hear the stories of like the gate tracking technology and the facial tracking recognition technology that they have for everyone walking around China, combined with the WeChat and all that stuff. He's like, eh, he's like, it's not that impressive compared to the right side here. - That's what a great CCP agent would say. - That's what a great CCP agent would say, yeah. - That's what he would say. - I saw some videos-- - He had nothing good to say about China. - That was interesting 'cause I listened to about three of the four hours of that podcast. He, when you asked him where he'd rather live, he'd write away, it was like the United States. And then where would he write, and he's like, where would he rather rule? He's like, oh, China, there's no rules. You know what you want. - Right. - Very, very interesting. But I don't know, like, I saw a lot of the Stopian videos out of China during COVID where they'd have drones watching the house and stuff. And some of my thought process on that is really influenced by that book, Kai Fu Li, wrote in 2018 AI superpowers. It's about basically like the AI race between China and the US. And when he laid out like the four dimensions of how you measure who's winning the race, and the fact that it was like two to two at the time, because China had stolen so much IP and used it for themselves over the years. I mean, that's back in 2018. So now there's no, they don't have a constitution in that way. Like there's no guardrails on what they can do. So I don't know if I believe him that it's not the Stopian. Where I think he might make an fair point though, is that people here who are in denial of what our capabilities are. What these companies' capabilities are for our people in America, if they were given a loophole to put that into place, I'm sure are insane and I'll bet they are better. - Yeah, yeah, it's just the way he was talking about it it seemed, I don't know, you're right. If I was a C-C-C-P agent, I probably would be saying the same thing. His overall spiel was that like, everything that Xi Jinping is doing and that that government is doing, even with their technology, top technology companies and stuff like that, is not that impressive and it's not that strategic. And they're like, he's like, they're not thinking that far ahead. - I didn't, but this is the same place though that made, what was it, the fucking Belt and Road Initiative? - That's right, exactly. - Like all the stuff I'm like-- - It doesn't make sense right? - They were borderline a third world country in 1999. They're not a third world country now. It's a fast move. And like I always think at a world that you don't wanna oversimplify it, but like the three most important letters when it comes to the world are actually GD and P and they're the other place that has the highest GDP besides us. So it's like if ever our currency in America we're gonna be unseated or something, they're the first candidate that would be pulling it off. That's what I worry about. - Did you hear what he was saying about how all the billionaires there, they can only best 50,000 a year in US currency? Because I guess the, what is their currency called again? What's that word? I always forget what it was called. - Yen? - No, it's not Yen, it's the other one. It's a Joey Deep will find it. It's a weird name. It's a weird word. - You should know it, he's Chinese. - No, it's not Juan, it's a different thing. It's a different word. It's like three four syllables. Chinese, just type in Chinese, yeah, Chinese for instance. - Don't, I won't try to say it. We'll get canceled if I try to say it. - Redmin B? - Yes, redmin B, redmin B. So that currency's not, it can't, doesn't translate with the US. So what these guys do, we're only allowed to, if you're worth a billion dollars, 50,000 dollars a year is gonna get you nowhere. - That's right. - So he was explaining that they're laundering money through the cartels. So they're using the cartels who are sitting on tons of US cash to go to the US, buy them shit loads of real estate and shit. And then what they do in turn is do business and trade with the cartels. So that's a perfect way for the cartels to wander their money and for the Chinese to diversify their wealth into the US economy. How fucking crazy is that? - It's genius. - It's so genius. It's fucking genius. 'Cause like, they can you, like give them this credit. They can use like the realm of democracy. I'm putting that in air quotes 'cause we're really struggling with that over here, but they can use like the freedoms that are afforded under our constitution against us by using that system against us 'cause they don't follow those rules. And clearly, we don't follow a lot from here as well, but there's at least the guys of it, right? You can't just go round up people because you're like, yeah, I think so. Obviously that still happens, but you know what I mean? They can't happen at the scale that happens up there. I mean, they could throw Jack Ma in a dungeon and what are you gonna do with that? - That's the Ali Baba guy, right? - Yeah. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. He disappeared for a while, right? So he disappeared and I guess no one found him and then he ended up in Japan. - Yeah. - You were paying more attention to that than I was. I just remembered that like everyone was talking about this crazy trillionaire disappeared. No one's seen him in forever and then he eventually popped up again. There was a crazy conference, this had to be back in 2017, 2018, maybe 2019, something like that. We're Elon Musk and Jack Ma, we're on a stage. She got an enjack Ma's English like isn't amazing. You know, he talks slower and more deliberately, getting through it. But they were talking about like, I wanna say it was like the future of AI and technology and everything. And Jack Ma was basically saying I'm a translate, make love, not war, all good. And Elon's like, I don't think so. And it is just the most awkward two hours of the two of them going back and forth. And then he disappeared very shortly after that. - Whoa, yeah. It was interesting. - How long has he gone for? - Can we Google that? It was a while. Where is he now? Is he in like Japan or something now? - Japan, yeah, he moved to Japan. That's where Jang wants to move Japan. Everyone talks about how great Japan is. - Forty-five years. - Forty-five years, he was in despair. - Yeah, what was that about? What the fuck was he doing for Forty-five? - I mean, they came, they bagged his head and they said, he can't say anything, pal. - You think that's what happened? - I mean, he's in China right now. Well, that's what Google has. - That's where his company, that's where his company is in China. - Right. - But he used to have lots of political power according to Jang in China and not anymore. Now he's lost all of power. - He said power, he's got political power. - He said he had power, somehow he had power in China. I don't know how, but he's lost all of that now. Now he's just in Japan and nowhere near as wealthy as he used to be. Maybe he had to sell off a bunch of his company or give more control to the CCP. - Yeah, I don't, I feel like power is a facade there, you know. Like, unless you're sitting in the, remember when they, we were talking about it when we did the pod with Boost-A-Monte and Jim together back in 2022, when they bagged the former leader, like in the middle of the CCP meeting, remember that? - Oh, and watch the video. - And they ripped him out of there? - Holy shit, I forgot about that. - Like, he was like, royal, he was like chairman, if you were. - Oh yeah. Like, I was like, generational. - He was literally royalty and jeez just sitting there. - And it's how they treat their elders. They just fucking black, they black, brown bag them in the middle of a press conference. - Did that guy die? Can we, they didn't kill him at the time. He was another one who was like, Jack Ma, where they're like, oh, he's gonna sit over here. - He's terrible. - But the guy that, at least they don't hide it though. 2022, China, CCP meeting, leader, escorted out. I gotta get his name. And then we can see like what became of a meme. He was, he was a fucking fossil. He was like 90 or something. - You know. - Who ginned out? Now, where is he today? Who ginned out? (buzzer sounds) Is he dead? - He's retired. - Oh, he's retired. We retired. - We retired. - We retired. - Tires and lives privately in China, making very few public appearances. He stepped down a secretary general of the Chinese Communist Party in 2012. He was the guy before Xi Jinping. As president in 2013, he lives in a quiet, retired life out of the political spotlight. He rarely appears in public. One of his last major public appearances was in December 2022 at a state funeral for former leader Zheng Zemin. So that was after the Congress incident, which was when he was escorted off at the closing ceremony of the 20th Communist Party Congress in October 2022, state media later reported that he had felt unwell. He's been largely out of use since. - Yeah. One of the other things that was really interesting to me was how he was explaining all the red nobility from when Mao was in power. All those old dudes, they lived in the U.S. - The guys who were in power under Mao. - The red nobility. mobility. Yeah, those guys are now they live. They came here for the education and for like the economic opportunity. How old are these guys? I don't know. Maybe it's like them at me. These are most of these guys might be dead, but I'm sure they're like their families are still living here, but he's basically saying the most powerful people that run China, they all live in the US and they control it remotely from here, and they use China. They treat it as like their plantation. They treat it as like a plantation economy. But does he think they're working on behalf of like the future of China? Or they're just bilking China. They're just bilking China. They're great CCP agent. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, many descendants of China's Communist elite often called the Red Nobility or Prince lings have lived, studied or held assets in the United States. Numerous children and grandchildren of high ranking Chinese Communist Party officials have attended elite American universities, such as Harvard and the University of Rochester. For example, Xi Jinping's daughter, Xi Minze, studied at Harvard University under this, we let the guys fucking daughter study here. Another feather in the hat, a professor, Zhang. What are we doing? Yeah. All right. They don't let suspect there, but like go to China. Relatives of foundational figures like Dang Xi upon the son of Xi Fang, who earned a physics PhD in Rochester have spent significant time pursuing academic and professional ventures in the U.S. Someone has to let this stuff happen though. That's what I can't. What do you mean? Get a rent. This stuff doesn't, people like this don't live here without people in positions of power here being like, okay, dope. You're good to go. These guys are probably like invested up to their eyeballs and companies here and land here. They probably just own so much. They probably lobby politicians here. They probably have a good amount of power. Probably more than the people who get to give them the thumbs up, at least some of them. I would imagine if they've lived here for that long and they got all that money. What about the people who pay the people who give the thumbs up? That's what I want to know. Well, that's us, but I'm saying the donors and stuff, the donor class. These guys probably are part of the donor class, right? Of course they are, but I'm saying like, do you think they're on the donor class levels like the Silicon Valley guys? Probably not. You know what I mean? Not on the level of the Adelson's. Not on the, for sure, not on the level of like the Israeli lobby. So it's like, they've got some swinging dicks. They got some sort of power. They got their hooks in somewhere. I imagine, I don't know. But you know, and also if they're fucking, if they're doing that shit with the cartels, how the fuck do they let that happen? Well, we're working with them. These same guys have all this wealth tied up in China. They're trying to diversify into the US while they're living here and using the cartels as a conduit. And we let that happen. That's pretty, that's pretty fucking crazy. It's fucking crazy, but also why are the cartels existing at such a high level of power as they do when they're also even now designated terrorist organizations? You have to wonder if it's like the fix isn't right. I mean, if I had a guy sitting in that seat that worked on behalf of the CIA undercover to work with the cartels, not to stop them. Oh, really? Who's that? Matt Hedger. Oh, wow. You see the knock? I remember the knock. And it's like, your national security, big air quotes I'm saying right there, better, better be some fucking biblical shit if you're going to be doing that. And I'm not so sure that's the case. I think that's just the excuse. Well, you know, national security. That's what they always do. It's a great way to launder money. It's a great way to hide illegal activities that you're performing onto the, for the state of America. It feels like the wealth accumulation that's happening right now at the highest levels openly. Like in the past, they could do this behind closed doors. No one ever knows about it. There's no internet, right? Now with the internet, they know people can find this out. People can find out how much stock they hold in different things. People can find out the investments they're making in weird companies and stuff like that. People can track down all the shit that they got their hands in. But they continue to do it deliberately and openly finger in your face when, you know, the average American only has $500 or less in their bank account. You would think like optically speaking, they'd be a little more careful about it, but they're not. And I really want to know why they're that brazen. If it's just that they're actually that arrogant beyond the point of, you know, no return or. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right. It's because, I mean, my brain goes to, it's because they're so close to having total control over everything where no one can make a difference no matter what they think. It doesn't even matter anymore, you know. It's like, I was talking to Jiang about this too, because I was telling, we were talking about the whole Israeli lobby thing and how the issue of Israel has become just out of control in the U.S. And you and I have talked about this endless thing, the stuff about BB just being straight up. Frank, like you read the book on him and you talk about how smartly guy is, but he's saying shit out loud. That is like so counterintuitive to what you do. You would do if you wanted people in, wanted to promote a good PR campaign in the, in the United States, on behalf of Israel, he's doing the opposite of it. That's right. So like it's almost like, so Jiang's take on that is basically they don't care because it's the end times. They're bringing the Messiah and it's going to be, he called it Gog and McGog and he's like, it's going to be Doomsday, everyone's going to be raptured. It's a wrap. They don't give a shit. That's why they're basically trying to hasten the end times. But why is he doing that? Why is Netanyahu doing that? If he's literally atheist. Right. That's what I asked him. And he said it's not Netanyahu. It's the people that are above Netanyahu. Basically like the Adelson's and the people that are all tied to the Chabad stuff. He basically said the Chabad, but he loves the Chabad stuff. He basically said the Chabad runs the world. They think he's the Messiah and all these huge Silicon Valley, Valley billionaires and all the banking families like including the Adelson's and the Rockefellers and all of them. They all like will do whatever the Chabad. The Rock, but there's not how does maybe I may be at the Rockefeller. Yeah. The point is all the wealthiest people are basically that are running the world. They all worship the Chabad and they all believe in his eschatology. Can you explain the Chabad to people who are familiar? No, I can't. Why don't you explain Chabad? You know way more about that idea. He's some crazy looking fucking cult leader who thinks the end times are coming and all these rich people worship him. You're right about that. And it was like so Rabbi Schneerson. Yes. Was the guy and he's dead now and he's got a grave in Brooklyn. Very fitting. It's the video of Trump and Ben Shapiro, right? They went to Howard Letnick. And Howard Letnick. And optically speaking, find the photo. I need Letnick Shapiro and Trump kissing the grave of Schneerson. Right before the election too. I think. Right. Right. Right. Well, good luck, Trump. But yeah, he's so jacked. Why would they do that? Why would Trump do that? Because I told him I don't think Trump has an ounce of religiosity in him either. Yeah, there it is. There it is. Yeah, look at that. Kind of pay their respects. Yeah, like that's his graves, though, right there. Yeah, he's he's fucking buried in New York. Yeah. Of all places. Of all places. They gave them. Yeah. Why not? Why not? The amount of all is like old Robert. Yeah. No, they kept him in New York. Look at Trump. He's like, what am I fucking doing here? He's like, I am so mean because it is. So yeah, I don't agree with Zhang that I don't believe he thinks that Netanyahu and Trump are, they believe in the religious stuff. I don't think they have an ounce of religiosity in them. I just think they're doing whatever the billionaires are telling him. And I think the billionaires probably do believe some of them that kooky shit, you know. But my point was we got way off. That was kind of like a natural analogy. My analogy was in the same way that those religious people think at its end time. So they're kind of like rushing, rushing to do everything without trying to hide it. The AI people are doing everything they're doing and not trying to hide it because maybe they're just so close to total fucking control. It doesn't matter anymore. Well, if it doesn't, that's another part I can't quite square. Why are some of these same people then going to guys like Doug Rushkopf assuming that the end times are here. The event as they would call on them and you talk to Doug too. So you know about this. And getting his advice on like how to make sure their fucking security doesn't kill them. When it happens and they come out of the bunker. So like are you really in control if you don't even have a scenario to figure that part? That seems like a really. Yeah. You know. And we're old without money. Yeah, they probably haven't thought it through that far. But on the way there, as far as like public discourse goes and what it looks like, what stocks they're trading or whatever are fucking weird shady partnerships they have with Millay and Argentina. Like let the cat out of the bag. Who cares? People are going to be like stuck in their ideological trenches online arguing about it either way. So the truth doesn't even matter. I had the same. This is the way I look at the moon landing too. It doesn't fucking matter. You either believe the moon landing happened or you believe it don't. There's nothing I could tell you that's going to convince you otherwise because you're already stuck in your fucking camp. Either you're anti. I've or you, the people that are on the moon landing camp on the pro moon landing side, most of the time, those guys are believing in that stuff and arguing for it because they're attached to some institution where if they come out and if they question it, they're not gonna have their job anymore. So it's like, no one can be in the middle and give a rational argument to it that's gonna change anyone's mind. They're already stuck in their lane. - Hey guys, if you haven't already subscribed, please hit that subscribe button. It's a huge, huge help. Thank you. - I've always believed on that one that, and you've done some great work on this, talking to like serious people in the field. I've always believed on that one that every country around the world, including our allies would have had a reason to disprove us doing it. But what I think might actually be a real scenario here is that the production of it and like how they did it and said, oh, here we are on the moon was not what it was and that was not actually there. And so maybe they went and then if you really wanna go down the rabbit hole, maybe they found some shit that was like, can't phone home on that one. And they're like, get Kubrick in here. And you know, listen, he'll be able to fix this. And then, you know, man, I love how Kubrick connects all the dots to everything we're talking about. - Right, that motherfucker was cooking. - Joey, he connects, he's the octopus that connects everything. But yeah, no, I hedge sometimes, depending on who I'm talking to, when I'm talking about the moon landing on my show and I'll say like, and I think maybe they went, but they had a backup plan with the video that they filmed in the Air Force Base according to Bart Sabrell, but I don't think they win. - You don't think they win? - I don't, I don't, if I had a gun to my head, I would say they didn't go. - Now you were there with the Apollo astronaut Charles, what was his name? - Duke. - Charles Duke. - I think he was Apollo 16 or Apollo 17, I don't remember, but he was the youngest guy who ever went to the moon. He was like, I was on the moon. He was like 30 years old when he went to the moon. And yeah, so I had a moment with Bart Sabrell who the anti-moon landers couldn't have a worse mascot, in my opinion. I think it might be on purpose. I agree. - I think that they might be using him to discredit the people who questioned the moon landing because he does a terrible job and his arguments are all disproved in my view, especially the shadow argument. That's the most one I'd have all of them. And it's just, yeah, anyways. That whole thing was a shit show and Charlie Duke didn't convince me that we went to the moon at all. The guy was super sharp for being 90. Me and him had like a 30 minute conversation. I picked him up at the airport myself than I before. We talked about all kinds of shit in the ride home, like the guy was sharp as a tack. - What was he telling you? - He was talking about like Elon stuff, Elon's Mars ambitions and teaching me about, like explain to me how all the rockets that Elon is working on, how they work, why they're more economical, talking about a high level shit. - Oh yeah, he was talking very high above my head. - Wow. - And this was like nine o'clock at night. This guy's 90. Usually past seven o'clock, people over 90 are together very well. They're usually cooked, yeah. So, but this guy was on fire. And even the next day, we went to record the, I should have. - You should have done that. - He's probably been in it. - Imagine going to a Tampa Titty bar with an upon the moon. - It wouldn't be the same thing. I wouldn't want to ruin his memory of what they used to be in the 80s. - Well, you, no, you could take another one that's like the spaceship outside. - It's not what it's like in the Warner Bros. If he went there, he'd be disappointed. That's neither here nor there. (laughing) The next day, I walked him into the studio. Bart was already in the studio. Charlie walks up to Bart. Bart shakes his hand and goes, you're the man who called me on the phone 20 years ago and told me this, this and this. Like verbatim remembered it. The phone call that, when Bart called him 20 years ago. And I was like, holy shit, how did you remember that? And then we get on the podcast and this guy's playing Alzheimer's. He's playing the Alzheimer's card, like ultimate gaslighting us on like, why are we here? Are we talking about going to the moon? You don't think I went to the moon? And I'm like, what are you doing? Like me and him had six different phone calls leading up to that like in the three months prior talking about this stuff. The guy's super sharp. - Maybe he's got stash friends. - I don't know what he was doing, man. And if I went to the moon, I would have more words to use than it was exciting. I was just excited. I'm on the moon, I'm on the moon. I would have a few more words to agree what that experience was like. - Yeah, it'd be like, it's the kind of thing where you're saying all these, you're saying so many things that can't even possibly get across the depth but to the average person when you hear it, you're like, oh my God. - Yeah, you know? Like what's left unsaid is still 90% crazier. But yeah, it was, I'd listen. I thought you did a really good job with that one 'cause it was like being a mad ador in there with one guy who's like you said, maybe pretending. - Right. - It's very possible that like he's not all within the other guy's like, so you're saying that you went to the moon. (laughing) - 30 times. - Where on a Bible? - Oh, you know what I'm just like, oh my God. - I was worried he was gonna bring a fucking Bible into that box. - He didn't bring a Bible, right? I called him before I'm like, are you bringing a Bible? Just tell me now. And he's like, now I'm not gonna do that. I'm born again Christian, I've found my faith. I've found Jesus Christ. - Oh, he found Jesus. - Yeah, he found you. - You found him on the moon? - Maybe, no. - Mine probably doesn't exist. (laughing) Yeah, he, it was pretty bad. It was pretty bad. And like I said, I'm not convinced. And the craziest thing about it all to me, which he doesn't really harp on this much. But the Gus Grissom thing on Apollo, the first Apollo mission, or the first Apollo launch. And he was like, he was throwing a fit. Talking to the media, I did a press release in front of the fucking rocket and held a lemon over it. And he was complaining. He's like, we can't communicate on a VHF radio between two buildings. And you think we're gonna take this thing to the fucking moon? Like, he was pissed. And there's a lot of people talking about that. And, you know, he died in the fire that first Apollo mission, when before I got off the pad, the thing fucking lit on fire 'cause there was like an oxygen issue or whatever. I don't know how he died or if there was a conspiracy behind that. But, I mean, you can just read the tea leaves on this. And, I mean, I don't need to say shit. All you gotta do is watch the footage. - Can we pull that, what's his name again? - Gus Grissom. - Gus Grissom. - And I mean, when I talk about the footage, I mean like the footage of the actual, like, lunar land or leaving the surface, the guys bouncing around and all that stuff. Like, if I showed you that footage, and you had no idea that anyone had ever been to the moon. And I go, I show you this Apollo footage of the moon. And I say, "Hey, Julian, I went to the moon." And you're like, "Fuck you, you didn't go to the moon." I'm like, "Yeah, I got footage." Look, this is my lunar lander taking off from the moon. You walk, pull it up, pull up the lunar land or leaving the surface of the moon. And the camera panning and following it. You wouldn't fucking believe me. There's no shot. - I gotta see the footage again. That was like a four hour and something podcast that when you did with the two of them. - Yeah, I think it was over four hours. It was over four hours. The footage is just-- - I think deep got it right here. It's a little tight. So this is-- - There's so many, there's just-- - I think that's got it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So this is what you're looking for today. - No, type in lunar lander, leaving surface of moon. It'll come up. - 'Cause that one's-- - It's the craziest one. I think it was one of the Apollo missions. - Yeah, there it is, it's that short. - Oh, that one, yeah, yeah, yeah. So Julian, this is my spaceship. - Well. - I went to the moon. - Come on, you're missing context right here. Now, role play it. We're Stanley Kubrick and we're like, "All right, I got it. Three, two, catch it. - Got it, got it. Weee, cut, cut, cut. Yeah, yeah. I'm gonna need to-- I'm gonna need to see a little more action on the initial lift off. Let's get a second run at this. CGI, I'll take care of the rest. (laughing) - I told you I went to the moon. - Yeah, there's no shot. - There's no shot, we went to the fucking moon, dude. - I wonder, I wonder about how, so you talk about the technology and stuff and being able to communicate, which is a valid question. And then I'm like, Annie Jacobson saying DARPA was telepathically talking to dolphins in 1992. It's like how far ahead were these fucking Nazi scientists? - Right. - You know, like, what did they figure out? 'Cause that's another thing I've never squared with World War II and the, you know, like the talent level they had within their rocket program and stuff in Nazi Germany. Obviously, we took all those guys controversially through Operation Paperclip, but it's like, I do always wonder if those guys figured out a nuke and had just enough, just enough sliver of humanity and them to be like, you know, maybe the fucking Coke downstairs shouldn't get this. - Mm, you know. - And that's to, I have no proof of that whatsoever. That's just always a scenario I've wondered in my head. If there were just enough guys in that room that were like, you know what? Let's make a deal. - Yeah. - Let's make a deal. - I'll make that deal. - Yeah, Jordione thinks that. actually tested nukes did Nazis. Yeah. Not what is he basically. I can't remember exactly what he said, but he was on my podcast saying that they they actually did a nuclear test. And where he was I don't fucking remember is so big. They did it in Iran. They shouldn't done it on Gaza. Jesus Christ. I forgot he said that. Bro, sometimes the smartest people have the worst takes, you know, but you can't you can't you can't be a genius in every aspect of life. No, like I was talking about this the other day, the some of the most talented musicians in the world, my favorite musicians were fucking full blown psychopaths. Jerry Lee Lewis murdered two of his wives and married his 13 year old cousin. Like some of these people are the worst human beings, but they're just insanely talented. And they just know how to they know how to make magic in one way or another whatever they're fucking creative outlet is. It's like something that they can tap into, but I've always thought with anything, I've always believed this. It's it's in degrees, but like for every point of genius, there's a price that's paid. And some prices are worse than others. Yeah. So like, you know, maybe someone's like genius at music or something, and they just are really on the spectrum or something like that. That's a way better price to pay than being like a fucking murderous pedophile. Right. Like, let's say let's take the spectrum price. That's a lot better. But there's degrees of a price. And it's and it's so it's like kind of dark to think about sometimes because unfortunately you can look at great talent and then be like, God, like, listen, I fucking love our Kelly's music. I'm happy he's buried under a prison. He's a fucking horrible guy. Right. Like his price is that he's a fucking sociopathic criminal in every facet of it. It's wrong in every way, but there's something weird that like I can know that about him. Be happy that that's the outcome. But be like, yo, I believe I can flounce. Speaking about good music, you want to hear a fucking banger? Pull up, look at your game girl by Charles Manson. Come on. No filming under it. Slade this track. He slayed it. I heard his music wasn't working. So this, this, this is his best song. Oh, yeah, you cannot fucking do we have, how do we hear this? We also, he had some unfortunate help and by help, I mean, not the opposite of help. They were fucking MK Ultra in the ass out of him. Oh, yeah. Yeah. But play this jam. He's not going to copy right. It's easy. Oh, well, I have to cut it out. Unfortunately, make a note. This is Charles Manson's thing. Yeah, give us some volume. This is a music video they cut in with it. But just wait, this is a good, this is a good jam. You can't tell me this guy had no shot to be a star. He had a shot. He had a shot. Yeah. And he had insane charisma, like this dude could charm the pants off bin Laden. You know, like he, another short guy, right? That's what these fucking short guys, dude. They're just too ambitious. There's too much ambition with these short guys. Matt Cox calls me every, he called me the other day. Every time I talk to him, he started a new podcast again. He's got fucking podcasts on podcasts with all these guys, like partnering up and doing podcast deals. He's like a fucking cartel. Don't tell his PO officer. Remember the inside, the darkness podcast he had. Yeah. It's basically Mark Light. But we have it. Oh, my God. That was a long time ago. That was old. He just leaves the room. It's like, all right, just just talk. I'll be back. Just make sure we get it for YouTube. Oh, these short guys, man. But yeah, man, what a fucking, what a crazy story of, I mean, a guy who intersected so many different parts of American culture and is one of the most biggest cultural icons in America in the history of America, Charles Manson. Yeah. Charles Manson and Marilyn Monroe, they're on like the same level, just polar opposites. Polar opposites. And he was also like a real, he was a timeline switcher in the sense that killed the when that happened, when the tape murders happen, you can literally, it's like when we draw a map to 9/11 to look at all the geopolitical things that have happened. It all goes back to that. When you look at like the culture and the culture shift, boom, night, summer, 1969, those killings ended it just totally. And that makes you think it's like, if you want to, and I don't think it takes a big tinfoil hat at all, because like you look at the reporting that Tom O'Neill did on this in chaos, which is an amazing book. Obviously, there were MK Ultra ties to this guy, but they were so worried about what, you know, communist Marxist infiltration in the hippie music into the hippie movement and what that could do to American society. Right. They're like, well, gotta, gotta crack a few eggs to make an omelette here. Right. And those eggs are just, well, it's just so ironic that it's, they were, they were pissed off about people protesting the Vietnam War and the summer of love. And that whole thing was about fucking drugs too. So they want to demonize drugs in the US and do this thing with Charles Manson and try to stain the hippie movement. And that's where the hippie movement completely fucking ended. It ended with Charles Manson. And right after that, what was it in 70? What was it, Nixon, who did that, who did the drug law, where they basically scheduledized all the drugs in the US? That sounds right. We can check it. I think it was 1970 with Nixon, where they did that. And like, I think that was, I mean, imagine how, like, if that never would have happened, how far ahead would we be right now? Yeah. President Richard Nixon signed the Controlled Substances Act in 1970, establishing the five-tier federal drugs scheduling system still used today. Yes. Yeah. So if that would have never happened, how far would we have progressed by now? If they never would have done all this and stigmatized and made all these drugs illegal, these harmless drugs? I don't know. It could be great. It could be terrible. It could be something between I don't know. But it's an, it's a prime example of like just doing the full-blown knee-jerk reaction on the pendulum. Yeah. Just like, well, this is really bad. So let's do the opposite, which is the story of humanity. Yeah. And as you and I've talked about over the years so many times, it's like, the pendulum of the law of equilibrium says, you want it less violent, you know, and an action begets an equal but opposite reaction. You can live with it when they're here. When they start to get out here, to get to equilibrium, you really got to clap harder and more violently. And it's like, that has reverberating effects on society for sure, which I think about a lot now with how things are because so many people are just like, oh my God, it's all fucking fake. Like, what are we even doing? You know, you're living in a year where these some of the Epstein files get exposed and no one goes to jail and you're like, oh, these are the people that like are built our modern day America right now and are still in charge of it. And we're just going to let this keep happening. And they're like, yes. And so you can't blame people then when every single thing they look at, they're like, well, that's not real either. Even if something objectively is, like, I'm not going to sit here and yell at people for that because I'm like, what have institutions or the people that run them at the highest levels in the real halls of power done to reiterate you trusting them for anything. Mm hmm. Not much. Right. Have you noticed on X even like on X, if you're looking at any sort of article or reporting about anything, I always go down to the first comment where there's always some schmuck who goes, "Grock is this real." And then Grock will verify. That's what I do too. Well, who the fuck's go, who's channeling into Grock? Like, right? Like now, like, I default to Grock now. I can't trust. So I've already lost the trust in like the articles that are on Twitter. So now I'm defaulting to Grock as like my north star of whether things are true or not. So, okay, Elon started fucking Grock AI and is doing that probably partnering with Peter Teal in one way or the other. So why am I still thinking of thinking this three? Like, this doesn't make any sense. Why is it like this? You got to do what Joey Deave does. You have to cross reference all the AI's. Yeah. Is that what you do, Joey? Yeah. You cross reference. Chatchy BT, Grock, Claude, and then just those three, now that still doesn't eliminate, you know, Kobayas. Yeah. Doesn't eliminate that. But you can find some cracks sometimes. So we were doing this on that Zhang episode where he was bringing up an article of Mark Zuckerberg. Oh, do you remember this? Dude, the body language there was immaculate on what? Watching, like watching you guys watching that. Yeah. Oh, yeah. So he was saying, I mean, dude, he was telling us the story so confidently and using it as like one of the main pillars to hold up his theory. Yeah. Saying that Mark Zuckerberg's parents went to Rabbi Schnierson to get the dollar from him and the blessing because they wanted to have a boy. They already had three daughters and Rabbi Schnierson gave him a blessing and allegedly, Mark Zuckerberg was born 18 months later. And then we found this one article because Steve was looking for it. He's not the best Googler. He's getting better and you found this article. And we were reading the article. I was like, I didn't recognize the website. I was like looking through it. I was not linking to any sources. And he, so he asked whatever he asked, "Chatchy BT, is this article real? Paste it in there?" The first thing was like, this was a story of an interview by Mark Zuckerberg allegedly. Here's the source, blah, blah, blah, blah. He did It opened up a new tab in Chachi BT, ask them again in a day. different way. And it had this like completely polar opposite response. And it was even being like defensive. Like this is the most abhorrent fake article. It's satirical. And it even says at the bottom of the article that it's not true. Yeah. And there was no other sources. You stayed on it though, which was really good because it's a big claim. And like he didn't want to stay on it. But you were like, no, no, it's a big claim. We got everything. And at the end, you're like, uh, yeah, yeah, we kept it. It's like, anyway, Iran, right around. But yeah, you got that's, but it's just a weird thing how Chachi Biti on one hand was saying it was true. And on the other hand, it was saying it wasn't true. So those, but these fucking AIs came and decided what's real or not? I don't know. Again, maybe the answer is going to be in the middle. And maybe that'll end up being good. I don't know. Maybe it's really bad. I, I really don't fucking know. AI is a really open black hole to me. Thank you guys for checking out this clip. If you haven't already subscribed, please subscribe and hit the like button on this video. It is a huge, huge help. And if you'd like to check out this clips, full podcast episode, that link is in the description below or right here. 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