The Dark Side of Internet Fame w/ Marcus King | 2 Bears, 1 Cave

his new album darling blue is incredible from the second you start it this is your third album fourth man uh it's like the seventh seventh third album i bought marcus king good to see you man good to see you brother good so good to see every time i see you i smile but every time i see you i sometimes wonder if you go oh fuck it's burt never now remember the last time i saw you was that at the floribama no no no that was oh that was fun that was so fun and you had to explain to me how singing on stage worked yeah no we ran it go ahead you tell everyone how it works i mean it's it's a lot like this you know it's just you just gotta project a little bit more you and uh what did we do we didn't love light yeah it was a lot of fun it was so fun floribama is on the on the border of florida and alabama it's called floribama they're big known for our mullet toss every year yep and we had done fully loaded that night at the whatever the stadium was the amphitheater the wharf amphitheater and then the whole everyone went down it was our last night on tour i ended up naked in the ocean with the navy seal yeah my daughters were there my daughters were blown away i mean my daughters are like one daughter really likes music the other one the other one i think likes the culture of music okay that makes sense that does make sense neither of them like uh like southern rock though okay they're both into like georgia is just discovering it yeah why southern rock the best out of all the rocks i'm partial to it just because you know um i think the best southern rock bands are the ones that aren't trying to be southern rock they're just rock and roll bands that happen to be from the south so it just kind of adds a little extra gravy to it you know it's not it's not overly complicated you know it's really just rock and roll there's there's nothing really too different about it other than just the region from which it comes from because because it's not country no i mean it's it's a pretty close relative to country music you know it seems like kissing cousins absolutely or kissing brother and sisters in country because like laney wilson slides on so seamlessly and then someone like uh like billy strings who is traditionally bluegrass yeah fits on so well but at the end is it is it your voice or is it the chords man you know like that bluegrass thing is just uh it's really interesting how uh popular that's become because that was such a niche uh style of music for so long and now we got you know bluegrass artists acting like they're the rolling stone and it pisses me off because i'm like you guys were you guys were real nerds in high school and now you're like these big rock stars and it's frustrating but i mean bluegrass is like rock and roll now there's stadiums being sold with bluegrass uh which is interesting to me but um yeah i guess rock and roll is more in your personality i reckon yeah it's more it's like uh i remember someone told me no one's gonna no one's gonna understand this someone told me i had a hard time clicking with alt comics like no the alternative scene the more um i guess now you just say now it's just conservative and liberal i guess the two well the alt comics are like no physical comedy right they're like really against any kind of uh yeah tropes yeah they're very against any trope and and they i want what they're doing to be different to be against the grain which you know i always enjoyed and i you know and i always felt like louis ck was an alternative comic and i felt like mitch headberg was an alternative comic janine grofflo is obviously an alternative comic but it's it's i remember someone saying i was like why do they dislike me so much and they i mean they really it would be aggressive if i went to a green room no one would talk to me people would say weird things to me and i'd make me feel uncomfortable and someone said it's because you're doing what they do but better because i am a storyteller and in essence they all wanted to be storytellers and i wasn't doing traditional stand-up i still don't do traditional stand-up i don't know what i do to be dead honest with you i have no clue what i do on stage and i and i'm but i but i was and i i wanted to say the same about you because you can you can get in with any band and kill it but when you do your own thing it's really hard to put its finger on it's you you really just start almost destroying all the genres and make your own thing yeah and i think you kind of you know rightfully so you know you did kind of create your own lane and i think that's the people that history kind of remembers and i said this like when we did austin city limits a couple of weeks ago or a week ago i said you know i'm not going to do that i'm not going to you know if you don't know what kind of band we are we don't either and you know we'll play some jazz fusion and cowboy hats we don't really care you know as long as it feels good and it feels right like it's like what uh you know what eddie murphy said if the people laugh when you say what you say say that shit yeah fuck it yeah i had someone compliment me the other day and said you know it's not like you're a comedian i by the way just done an arena he's like it's not you're a like you're almost like telling the stories in your living room and i go yeah i guess i don't know i mean i try to write jokes they just come out horrible like if i write a stand-up joke it it sounds like a dad joke well there's a comfortability to it you know it's uh you just make people feel welcomed and and you know at home so it is like that i'm fascinated by your process because i've read a bunch about this album so let's let's backtrack a little bit yeah the last album you put out you sent me a pre you sent it to me ahead of time and leanne got a hold of it and then all of a sudden leanne became obsessed with you and i'm telling you she listens to you there are three people she listens to you sturgill simpson and the red clay strays that's it that's it and why thank you kyle come on in and thank you for your service kyle thank you for your service yeah what was what was your military outfit the one the one the six seven what was it not that one six seven asus ocps all of them nice burt was telling me his first name zeke zeke kyle kyle that's great um so i want to get to like because i am very familiar with how my process works and it's as silly as this may sound it is just hanging out and kind of waiting for it to show up like if i journal now um starting on my 53rd birthday i'll journal every morning it's not inconducive for me writing stand-up i don't my journal is a little god forbid anyone refine this they'll have me committed but and i can't journal to music i have journals of silence yeah um and and and writing a joke is silly like i was listening to your album on the plane and i said i want to listen to it a few times you know sometimes with an audiobook you can hit times two so i was like oh i want to listen to it a few times you can hit times two so i was like oh i wonder if there's a times two and then i was like oh and then i'd come out and going i listened to your album on double speed it's not that good you know but so then that's like a silly joke i wrote in my head so that's my process i gotta wait to be silly for it to happen you were talking about how important this engineer was in an interview i forget where i got it and i'm curious i'm curious i like we don't even have any of that stand-up it's just you so like what does an engineer bring to the table and where you recorded this whole album was important right yeah it was a capricorn yeah recorded it at capricorn studios in macon georgia and um you know an engineer or a producer's job is really for me is to come in and to almost artificially create an energy in which you can be your most vulnerable and honest self wait where is capricorn is that in downtown macon yeah oh shit yeah that make brothers recorded all their stuff or not all their stuff i mean this is where they first got together and performed as a band for uh phil walden who started the company and before it was capricorn it was red wall so it was otis redding and phil walden writing is from uh making georgia yeah him and little richard from the same street are you serious yeah how about how about uh how about um kodak black and lamar jackson went to grade school together yeah yeah and it makes so much sense small world fuck i love when that happens like when jason williams and and randy moss played basketball together i love that but otis redding breaks my heart yeah the story of otis redding can you do you do you are you how familiar you with otis very familiar so do you want to tell everyone how he basically just put out one album he was like 26 and then died i mean he uh he put out all this wonderful music and he had the first number one single which is uh kind of a big deal you know he was the first one to have a number one hit like after he'd already passed away uh his plane went down um where was that up in i think it was a frozen lake it was a frozen lake and it was before like you know, they had laws around like being able to photograph, like, so there's photographs of him, like being pulled up out of the lake and it's just really awful stuff. And, you know, he wrote sitting on the dock of the bay after he did Monterey pop festival in San Francisco, uh, or Monterey rather. Um, he did that festival blew everybody's minds. You know, he had Steve Cropper, Al Jackson, Jr. Uh, Booker T. He had Booker T and the MGs as his backing band. He's a making Georgia guy recorded all of his stuff down in Memphis, Tennessee. Um, and they found that sound and he went out there and sitting on the dock of the bay, you know, he, he didn't finish it. That's why he whistled the last, you know, little refrain. So he whistled it because he was going to sing something else there, but he, he died before he had the chance to do so. So they put it out like that and it became one of the more, you know, memorable parts of the song. Yeah. Yeah. It's a part, it's a part everyone can sing along to. Yeah. What, uh, what's your favorite Otis Redding song? My favorite Otis Redding songs, probably cigarettes and black coffee. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's a great one. Uh, I like, uh, try a little tenderness. Oh man. And can I tell you, I feel like try, I, I, this is how much I like try a little tenderness is I can't listen to the Jay-Z remix. I love it. It breaks my heart. Yeah. So I go, don't touch it. Yeah. Like don't touch it. That song on a Sunday morning, sitting in a pool, before your kids are up with a cup of coffee, cranking on the stereo evokes church to me. Oh yeah. Speaking of which you're working with Corey Henry tonight. I am. Wow. Yeah. You know, I had like a, an emotional moment with him. You may have heard of HelloFresh, the number one meal kit in America. They are making home cooking easier with chef crafted recipes and fresh ingredients delivered straight to your door. But this fall they're serving up even more to love this. Isn't the HelloFresh you remember it's bigger. HelloFresh has doubled its menu. 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So grab an ice cold Mountain Dew, make the most of the season and create some memories with the bold taste that's been refreshing fans since 1948. Get out there and enjoy the outdoors with Mountain Dew, an American original, tasting great since '48. Look for Mountain Dew in stores near you. Oh yeah, that's right. It was a Sunday morning in San Francisco and we were at the Blue Note Jazz Festival. And I think Chappelle had invited us up. Me and Leanne went. We were supposed to go see Widespread in Alabama. And Leanne was like, fuck that. Let's go to Chappelle's Festival. That's a hard pivot. Right? And I feel like you and I, we're pretty kindred spirits. Like I get prepared for one thing. And if we pivot, I'm a little out of sorts. So. You know how she tricked me? How? Come on, we'll drink. Why don't we get drunk? See? And I was like, all right, I'm in. Because if we had gone to Widespread, it would have been her probably not drinking. Watching me drink. And then I would have been like, motherfucker. And then I'd be like, let's smoke weed. I don't want to go make me sick. I won't throw up. But we went to that and I woke up one Sunday morning. She goes, let's get a cocktail and go see what's out there. Corey Henry held like a mass at like noon, 1230. And we ended up, I mean, it was the coolest event. And you can edit whatever you want out of this, but this is so interesting. At that, I'm sitting, I lighted up a joint. I have a cocktail. I think it was the first time I ever had a buzz ball. And this black dude's sitting there in his recliner smoking a cigar. And he looks at me and I said, I wish I had one of those. And he opens it up. He goes, take one. And I was like, yeah. He goes, yeah, just give me a cigar next time you see me. And I go, I don't know when that's going to be. He goes, come find me. And I said, give me your number. I travel a lot. His name was James Earl Jones. It's not the one you think. It's a different James Earl Jones? James Earl Jones. And me and this guy started texting, Marcus. And we've been texting now for like three years. And he didn't know, like I said, hey, I'm in here. I shouldn't say where he lives, but wherever that area. I said, yo, I'm in your neighborhood. Why don't you come have a cigar with me? He's like, great. Where are you at? And I was like, the arena. And he's like, huh? I stopped performing. And he's like, you're famous? And I was like, yeah, come. So we sat by my tour bus and had a cigar. And now we keep in touch. He texts me. Hit me up one day. He goes, hey, man, I'm following you on Instagram. You're like losing weight. I'm going to the doctor for the first time. You inspired me. So we've kept in touch. That's awesome. Yeah. And he's just named James Earl Jones. Isn't that crazy? Is he younger or older than me? He's my age. Okay. So he's younger than the other James Earl Jones. That's really interesting, man. Look at this. It's a very burnt situation. Oh, look. It's just him. Every day he sends me whatever she's smoking. Isn't that great? That's awesome. And we have a friendship. And we just, and I text him when I'm smoking. The cigar community is a good community. Yeah. They're pretty chill people. What's better? So are you still sober? I am sober. How long? I mean, the broad answer is probably the last time we podcasted together. I fell off the wagon like the night before just to clear the air. I was in San Diego, fell off the wagon down there, rolled it into LA, came here. And that's the first time we met each other. So this is like two years ago, maybe almost three. I was like, I'm hurting, buddy. And you're like, I got you. I got, I was, someone was like, dude, you're getting negative comments. You were drinking with Marcus. He's been sober. I was like, I don't give a fuck. I was like, I don't really. It was. Yeah. It was so good. It was such a cathartic experience. It was needed, you know? I mean, it's an unpopular thing to say, but like I do feel like being completely drunk with a good friend and person you can talk to, I would have preferred our conversation would not live on the internet, but that conversation needed to happen for me in my heart. And it's just easier to have those conversations when you're, you know, in a bag a little bit. It's a little easier to be honest drunk. Absolutely. I told our couples therapist, I may come drunk a couple of times. She was like, do you need that? And I was like, no, but just giving you a heads up. I'm not really great at therapy, but I was like, let's not forget who pays the bill here. So if you like your job, I'm going to show up in the bag a couple of times and you're going to get a different side of me. You're going to get a little more honest side. I don't know. I don't know. Do you struggle with wanting to drink at all? Because there's a pill I'm taking that'll take that away right away. Yeah. I'm taking that Mongero shot. Oh yeah. I saw your post. Dude. It does this. Everything, everything. It just goes like, oh. Yeah. I mean, nothing's fun. Yeah. It takes your sparkle away. It does. I mean, you know, it's just like. You're not supposed to drink champagne and go. I know, man. Everything fun in life. I just can't. I can't do moderation. I know. I don't have a problem, you know, not starting. I just have a problem stopping. So I. I encourage everybody. What's helped me stay sober as long as I have, which is this. This is probably the longest I've been sober in my life. And I did it because I love my wife. And, you know, I thought when I met her that I could learn how to drink like a gentleman. I was like, I'm happy. I don't need to drink to forget things. I want to enjoy my life. But there's something in me that, you know, comes to life when I've had too much and it wants to destroy everything good. I want to enjoy my life because I don't feel like I deserve it. So that's what alcohol does to me. And it was a lot of time discovering that and realizing that and realizing I don't want it. But I like everyone else around me to have a good time because they can do it responsibly. And really, like what we were talking about, like alcohol just kind of lowers that social barrier, that uncomfortability of like social interaction. You have that? I absolutely have it. But now, you know, instead of me having. A few cocktails when I go somewhere so I can be more loose and have more conversations, I allow everybody else to kind of have a few. And I just look at it in that perspective. Everyone else has let their guard down. So it allows me just to be me. It helps me. Interesting. Yeah. Interesting. When was the last time you wanted to drink? You were like where you were like, like, like I do sober October every year and I just finished it. And getting back off the wagon is really difficult. For me, having that first drink is really difficult. Yeah, I usually never want it. And every time I've every time I've done it recently in the last couple of years, meaning a chunk of sobriety in that first drink, it's been almost like court ordered type things. I had a cruise. It was the first night of the cruise and they're like, you're going to have to drink on the cruise. Right. And then I was with my daughter, Georgia. We were at parents weekend. She was like, yo. You'll, you'll have a beer with me. Right. And I was like, absolutely. And then, but then the second I start, it's like, all right, we're back. We're back in the game. Like there's no, like my moderation. I got it. I have to do, I have to do chunks of not drinking and then chunks of drinking and chunks of not drinking and chunks of drinking. Yeah. And then until I took this Manjaro shit. Now I'm like, it's like, it's, I mean, I got on a plane yesterday wanting a drink and I was just, I wanted to throw up when it got to me and I went, I can't take it. I know, man. Like when I, when I started this album, like I actually, cause we started the record, gosh, like three years ago. Really? It's, it's an interesting album for me to look, to listen back to. It's an interesting album for me to listen to. Yeah. Cause I'm, I'm wondering what, what songs are about your relationship? What songs are about addiction? What songs are just stories? Like, like it's a really interesting album and I can't even. Like there's a line, I think it's, I think it's, I can't remember, it's every time I, every time I put it down, it gets heavier or something. Oh yeah, it gets heavier every time I put it down. Yeah. It's better. And no wonder you wrote it the way I said it's dumber, but, but yeah, and I go and I, and I know that's for me that I know what that means. It's the bottle. Yeah. Every time I put it down, I go, maybe I'll never pick it up. You know what I mean? But I didn't, I'm curious to know about that, but you were saying, the question was last time you wanted to do this. You wanted to party and you were like, Right. Well, I mean, yeah, I mean, the record's interesting because there is this kind of dichotomy of like my creative process. Like half of the record I did when I was still drinking heavily. And I remember those times and all those times were really fun. My buddy Brent Hines was there and we were doing mushrooms and drinking a lot. And then the rest of the record was just microdosing and being healthy, being sober. So when I listened back to it, I can kind of see. Which moments, you know, and just really kind of analyze them. But the last time I really wanted to party, I guess, I mean, it's hard to say, man. I mean, the moment that comes to mind is probably the Floribama because I wasn't drinking then. And everyone was having such a good time. But there comes a moment like around 1 or 2 a.m. where I'm like, I think I made the right call. Yeah. You know? For me, it's at home. It's at 8:30. Once I hit 8:30, if I hadn't had a drink by 8:30, I go, oh, yeah, it's not worth it. No, I haven't. If I can get to 8:30, I call it the witching hours when the sun sets and it looks beautiful outside. Yeah. And everything seems perfect. And you feel like you earned it. Because there's got to be times where you're like, yo, man, I'm one of the hardest working motherfuckers out there. I mean, my wife gets on to me because like, you know, I like to have my morning smoke. I like to have my morning cigarette. And some days. I'm like, I'll fucking crack a Heineken Zero, you know, with my cigarette. So I'm having a beer and a cigarette technically at like 7:00 in the morning. But it's an N.A. and I'm like, this is the price I have to pay. You know? Yeah. It just means that this day would have been off the rails because I woke up wanting to have a drink. You know? And it could have gone off the rails really easily. When I think of fall, I think of tailgating and grabbing a Mountain Dew. Grabbing a Mountain Dew while someone's making food because it complements so nicely that fresh citrus kick. And when you do, grab a pack of Mountain Dew, the American original. Mountain Dew is the perfect drink for good times with friends and family. You know that bold. Unmistakable taste of Mountain Dew. Whether you're hanging out around a bonfire, headed out on a road trip with friends, or just enjoying the outdoors. So grab an ice cold Mountain Dew. Make the most of the season and create some memories with the bold taste that's been refreshing fans since 1948. Get out there and enjoy the outdoors with Mountain Dew, an American original. Tasting great since '48. You matched on Hinge. You're vibing. Then her energy completely changes. What do you do? I'm Raven Smith and I wrote and read a real love story about Mountain Dew. And I wrote and read a real love story about this exact sitch. Listen to the free audiobook now. But, yeah. That's, yeah. NAs have never done it for me. I never was an NA guy. But, like, I guess a year or two ago, I don't know. Something about him, just that placebo effect, I guess. Wait, can you microdose? Mushrooms? Yeah, absolutely. So, okay. If you can microdose mushrooms, how come we can't microdose everything? That's a good question, Bert. I would love to microdose alcohol. I think it's, you know, an interesting conversation to be had. What they need to do is it needs to be a certain amount of alcohol to just get me to that. All I want to feel is the sparkle. Yeah. That's all I want to see is that and then let it go away. And then just get there. They should do like a… I do feel like mushrooms can help. I do feel like mushrooms kind of do that. That's what they say. I can't… I've never microdosed mushrooms. But I also only use mushrooms to trip my balls on. Right. You've only microdosed. If you take a microdose, you might be surprised. It kind of gives you that sparkle. It gives you that, like… All right. Okay. Really? Yeah. So, then, like… So, here's my problem with Xanax. I can never take Xanax on… I love Xanax. I think Xanax is one of the greatest drugs in the world. I haven't taken it… I haven't taken it in probably three years. Okay. My cardiologist told me… So, I was explaining my… my lifestyle to my cardiologist and he was like this. I was like, yeah, I like to get off. I get after it on the weekends and then. Tore out the frame. Yeah, and on Monday, I take a Xanax around 4 p.m. So I don't have the. I take half a Xanax at 4 p.m. I don't have the. I don't want to drink. And then I take. I sleep great. And then I don't drink Tuesday. I don't drink Wednesday. I head out on the road Thursday and I'll drink Friday, Saturday, Sunday. Xanax on. And he was like, stop. Stop with the Xanax. He's like, it melts your brain. I was like, really? He goes, never take Xanax again. I'm never going to let you take Xanax again. So I've taken Xanax since. But my problem with Xanax on a plane is I couldn't manage it. I took it and it was there, but I like the taking of it. I like the drinking. I like the actual. I like measuring it. I like the being the scientist that's working this thing. Do you know? Yeah. It's like with cocaine. I would love to be the guy that does one line, but the fun of cocaine is having it done. Having it in your pocket. It is fun. And then you want to get rid of it. Yeah. You know? I used to get rid of a lot. Yeah? Oh, yeah. I enjoyed it so much, dude. It was. I mean, my dad told me when I was like 17, he said, never try cocaine because you'll love it. And I did, boy. And. It delivers. It does, every time. I mean, can you imagine being the first guy in the jungle that discovered cocaine? And you're like, I think I figured out God. Yeah, I think I discovered God. And I'm him. Yeah. I mean, hell, like, in its original state, like, the coca leaves, so, like, it was in Coca-Cola, you know? But now when you see them, like, even if you go back and see, like, how they process it with the gasoline and stuff, it's a little sketchy. And for years, like, the baby laxative and stuff that they would cut it with, like, when I found some real uncut stuff, like, I think the first time was in Jamaica. And I was, like, 19. And, yeah, I was doing. I was doing. I was doing a lot of this, like, really pure, you know, coke. And it was a crazy time. But when the fentanyl came into play, I was like, yeah, I think I'm gonna bow out. And I met my wife, like, the next night. For real? Yeah. I ran out of cocaine, and I was like, I don't think I wanna fuck with that anymore because I wasn't gonna be home for a while. And the dude that I got it from, he, like, meticulously tested it. And, like, you know, he would always get me really clean, and, you know, I was like, I don't really wanna try my chances out here on the road to find it, you know? And then I actually met my wife the next night. Really? And I didn't wanna do it. Well, I wanted to do it, but, like, I just didn't wanna take the risk because I had something I wanted to live for, you know? Wow. Is it tough growing up, for lack of better words, like a prodigy? Hmm. It's kind of interesting, man. I don't know. I just. I wanted to do anything I could to make myself feel like people loved me. So I would. I put all my eggs in that basket. I played all the time because that's how I would experience love. Did you feel like, when you were a kid, did you feel like you didn't deserve love? Absolutely. Really? I still struggle with that. How? You're so loved. I know. You're like, you're like, you're actually in the group, when I think of it, of the, like, most lovable people. Thanks. I feel the same about you. Well, I should check the comments on this episode. Be shocked how many people hate me. And that, and you know, that, really, for a period of time, that really affected me. I know, me too. Because you go, I'm my only goal. And I wasn't a prodigy. I was just, and I'm. My only goal was to get, was approval. You know, that's why I got into stand-up, is I could tell if they liked it. And if they didn't like it, I tried something different to get them to like it. And the only currency in my business is approval. And, and I, and negativity, people that didn't like me, I, I, it, it made me so confused. I was like, I'm trying everything to get you to like me. Yeah. And then they could just be like, yeah, fuck you. You're, you're, you're corny or whatever. And you'd be like, ugh. But someone like you, you are undeniably, like, as I, whenever I bring you up to anyone, the, the base thing they say is there's something different about him. He's special. And you, you've heard that your whole life, but you, even you still say, I got, I, I don't feel it. Yeah. It's something that I'm still chasing down, you know, with therapy. And it's hard, like, you know, my therapist called me the other day and I forgot we had a session. And I had something to do. So I answered the phone, spoke to her for like 20 minutes. I was like, I'm sorry. I gotta, I gotta jump off here. But like prioritizing, you know, physical and mental health. That's been a big one for me. Just trying to discover the root of why I don't feel like I deserve love. You know? And there's something in me, like, when I drink, it really comes out. For real? And I feel like I need to destroy anything that does give me love or affection. Because I don't deserve it anyway. You know? When you, when you're in good shape, like you're in pretty good shape right now. I'm okay. You, you, you look good. Thanks. Does that make you feel better about yourself? Yeah. I mean, if I can feel physically like I'm, you know, losing weight or, you know, it's actually hard having like a really hot wife too. Because like the internet comments, again, people are like, you know, what's going on here? Like this woman does not care about this guy. And it's like, I know, I really think she does, you know? And it can, it could create like insecurities within your own home. Just people throwing bullshit comments out there, you know? And sometimes they're funny. It's like, they look like every SEC couple. That's hilarious, you know? If people are funny in an internet comment and they're being disparaging, I give that a hall pass. Like if somebody calls me Biggie Strings, that's fucking hilarious. Yeah. But you know. If you're funny in a comment, I'll laugh. But if you're just like super mean, I mean, it really does get to me. What's crazy is that even the really mean people, I hate to like try to get meta about this. They're more like us than they think. They're struggling for love too. That's why they're coming with hate. I mean, I can't imagine and I understand that I would love for someone to explain why hate is fun. Like I would love, you know, those people that put out like mean videos or I would love for them to really break it down and go, this is what I get out of it. Like, cause I'm curious because I can't get, I can't, when they do them about my friends, I can't watch those. Yeah. Like I can't, and I have friends who like send me clips about me and they're like, do you see this? This is hysterical. And I'm like, oh no. Dude, I know like my wife, my wife has friends who will like send videos and be like, can you believe what this person said about you? And I'm like, you have to stop doing that because Briley and I are really similar. We kind of go through these like, and we're much better about it now, but we'll go through these patterns of like, I'll be like really down on myself because I've read the wrong shit. And then she does it. And we just kind of help each other out of that, you know, that cycle. But yeah. It's so funny because I was with Briley. We had a jelly rolls roast. - Oh yeah. - And we were talking and she brought something like that up. It's interesting to me as an outsider. I watched her, for anyone who doesn't know Briley, is absolutely gorgeous. And I watched her go into a club with us. And I looked at guys, look at her and I watched her. She is a lot like Leanne. She is singularly focused. She has no interest in talking to anyone. She was there to hang out with me and Leanne, I think. And Bunny and Jelly and just in a group. She was not like going around and trying to get drinks or meat. It was, she was a married woman. And it was interesting to see that because I, she's standing next to Leanne the entire time. The two of them were like inseparable and just had married chick energy. And I know a dude hit on her. She went like this, "The fuck?" And then looked at Leanne, she's like, "No." And then both of them rolled their eyes. She randomly brought up some of the, one of the things she had read online or someone had sent her online. And I'd never seen that. I'd never seen it because I don't read the comment. And I said to her, "It's not real to me." And then I realized, "Oh, but it's very real to her." And whatever's real to me, it's not real to anyone else. It's not real to the people I'm doing projects with. They don't read it. They're like, "Huh, what are you talking about?" Like you just said, "Oh, I think you're loved." And I go, "Oh, you know." One of my favorite human beings in the world is Theo Vaughn. I think he's a precious. This guy. Meaning I think he's special in a lot of ways. He's very, he's a lot like me and you. You know, stubs his problems and very sensitive, sweet guy. All he, doesn't have a fucking negative bone in his body. - Right. - But I, but you know, when I look at you, I go, "You're like Chappelle to me." Like you guys were just, given a gift and all you're doing is you're sharing that gift with the world? And how can anyone say anything but thank you? Well, I mean, that's a really nice way to put it. I've never seen a nasty comment from an attractive person. And maybe it's the ghost accounts. Maybe that's an attractive person, but I doubt it. I've never seen an attractive person, you know, willingly without, you know, a private account or like a ghost account say something disparaging. It's always, you know, just dog-ass ugly people. Yeah. So take that and use it for what you want. Are there comments that live in your head? Because I have like, there's like one comment that one guy wrote when I was still doing clubs. And by the way, I wasn't selling tickets at clubs. And I think about that comment. So often at one comment, he goes, it was like, I'll be at the, I was, I can tell you where I was playing. I was playing Minnesota at House of Comedy. I think it's called Acme House. Not Acme. It's the one in the mall. Jimmy Kimmel's sister, Jill Kimmel, opened me for this weekend, that weekend. That's how, this is so bizarre. Still on Travel Channel. Really? Yeah. And someone wrote, this guy sucks. All he does is take his shirt off, get drunk, and then he's gone. All he does is take his fucking, tell one story. And I was like, yeah, technically. What's wrong with that? Yeah, but I was like, but clearly I do more than that. You do way more than that. That's all you see. I think of that, I think of that comment. And there was another comment. I just, I got onto a live stream, like a football game or whatever. Yeah. And I was like, oh, this is awesome. And someone was like, oh shit, Burt Kreiser's in here. And someone was like, Burt Kreiser. And this dude goes, oh, cool. Oh, cool. 50-year-old guy who smokes weed. And I was like, oh, what the fuck? I can't even just go in here. It's the fucking, they get you sometimes. And then, and then there's just hurtful ones where you're like, oh, what? Like, there was this, there was this, yeah. And then they say, don't even talk about them because it gets, you know, that what they want is the attention. But, you know, I wish we could just make the world a better place. I've never left a negative comment ever. Me neither. But I've replied to a few of them, you know, just, I like to do it. I don't really do it anymore. But for a time there, I would reply to, to one every few months, just to kind of remind people that I'm looking at this shit, you know, because I feel like they do kind of remove you from like being a real human. They look at you as a brand, you know, it's like, if you say something shitty about Pepsi or Coca-Cola, you don't think about one person being upset. You know? So if you look at Marcus King or Burt Crusher as a brand, you're like, this guy fucking sucks. You know, you're thinking about it as a brand. You're not thinking about that person looking at him and getting upset by it. So every now and again, somebody will say something really shitty and I'll message him and be like, that was really hurtful. And they almost never reply. But I just want to scare a little Jesus into him. You know? I got a good one. You want to hear this one? I want to hear it. I was on Instagram and I, you know, sometimes I get a little scared. I get, my fingers get fast and I get ahead of myself. Yeah. And you get happy fingers. And I think, I think I know, I think the guy's a friend of mine now and I can't really remember everything. But I see one of the guys on this podcast and he's a comedian and he's got a podcast with his best friend who's not a comedian, I don't know. And he goes, Burt Crusher. And the guy goes, Burt fucking Crusher. And I went, ooh, nice. I'm about to get a little love. So real quick, I checked, I checked that comedian. I go, oh yeah, I know him. I follow him already. I go, let me real quick follow his friend, follow their podcast and like this video. Now, what were they saying about Burt Crusher? And they're like, fucking Burt Crusher is the most annoying person alive. I am done with him and his laugh. It's like, he's never been funny. Joe Rogan made him famous. I'm like, uh, no, I've already liked everyone and I've already followed everyone. And I'm like, oh my God, now I got to unfollow. And then I was like, so I just texted them and I was like, guys, I'm really sorry I followed you. I didn't know you hated me. I'm really sorry. I liked the video about you hating me, but like just letting you know that. And then the one guy who grew up back, holy fuck, I never thought you'd see this. Right. And I was like, well, you tagged Burt Crusher in it. Why wouldn't you think it would come across my page? Right. And he was like, we were just talking shit, man. And you're like, okay. So then I write half of it off to just talking shit. I write half of it off to being, I write half of it off to being contrarian. They see a lot of love. They want to grab this guy fucking sucks. I write half it off. But then I wonder, you know, does like someone like fucking Chris Stapleton get negative comments and does he get upset? Chris Stapleton looks to me like this untouchable mass of hair. Yeah. You know, or like Zach Brown. Yeah. Like a fucking, I'm not saying that I think we're artists who wear our everything on our sleeve. Like when I listen to your music, you're, you're very vulnerable. Your, your, your albums aren't, I'm not trying to find the right way to say this. Your music isn't, isn't branded to sell a whiskey. Does that make sense? Absolutely. Like your music is about, like my, my favorite song on this album, I've listened to the whole album. Dirt was the first song that caught in our house where Leanne just played it on repeat. It's on repeat. The, On and On was the one that, and, and I, and I started crying when I was listening to it because I realized why I love you so much. And it's that you sound so much like one of my favorite artists ever, Shannon Hoon. Oh, wow. And I, I didn't, it's not until the very end of On and On when it's just you kind of acapella. And I went, oh my God, this is, I love your voice is so, so honest. I had one other person tell me that. Somebody I used to work with. For real? Yeah. Oh, you fired them? No, no. It was, no, they're, they're very good people. It was from like my first management team. She worked with me, but she always told me I sounded like Shannon Hoon, which is a really high praise. Yeah, he's, I mean, I think he is so underrated as a musician. Yeah. No, knowing what I know about music now, you know, I, I, it's, you know, your artistry is, I have a weird time talking shit about one of my favorite musicians, but all of a sudden I listened to On and On and I went, oh my God, it's like your favorite artist passes away and now all of a sudden you can, it's like I get, I get two in one because now one of my favorite humans is, it's almost like, it's almost like a mashup. And I was like, this is, and I thought as soon as I heard that song, then all of a sudden I was like, I was, I was just diving into everything. This whole album is so incredible. And the people you chose to work with are so interesting. And so, and add so much to it. This album is just incredible. What, what, what did you ever think? And I, I'm just saying this because we're talking about artists taken away too early. I watched this documentary on Jeff Buckley. You ever know anything about Jeff Buckley? Not a great swimmer. Now we can cut that out. That fucking guy. No, he was fantastic. Yeah. Yeah. He was a sensitive dude. Well, do you like sensitive artists or is there a part of you that looks at like Leonard Skinner? And I like, I do like attitude. I like attitude. You got attitude on stage. It's, it's faux. Yeah. No. I mean, it's real. Like, I got to pump myself up a little bit, but you, you go out there and you gotta, you gotta be confident. It's like charming a snake, you know, talking to a girl at a bar. The whole audience is just the girl at the bar. And like, if you go out there, like they'll smell the fear on you. Yeah. And there's some nights where like, I know you can smell the fear on me. And, you know, I just got to lean into that. But, you know, I try to go out there and be as confident as I can. And that usually makes for the best show. Yeah. But when you, like, let's rank Southern Rock bands and then tell me what you, what you liked about them. Okay. Okay. So let's say, let's do top five Southern Rock bands. Leonard, Leonard Skinner, Allman Brothers, Marshall Tucker band. Let's go someone a little newer. Can we, can we, what, what, where can we quantify Southern Rock? Give me two more that you would name. And that. I think you can throw the Black Crows in there. A hundred percent. A hundred percent. Yeah. And I think you could throw, I think it would be good to throw, you want like a newer band? Yeah. Cause they kind of cover like that nineties portion. So like Blackberry Smoke, I think would be. I don't know Blackberry Smoke. Man, they're fantastic. Really? Yeah. Blackberry Smoke? It's my buddy, Charlie Starr. They're an Atlanta band. And Charlie's been one of my good friends for years. A wonderful writer and human being. Um, they're definitely there. on that list for me okay so then let's let's do this so we'll take these bands say their best song that exemplifies the band okay so for leonard skinner what song do you think exemplifies the band leonard skinner it exemplifies the band and i'll i'll throw out some ideas okay give me three steps is is in it it paints a perfect southern rock picture of a concrete square bar that's dimly lit yeah dimly lit with a sticky bar and the right kind and there's cigarette smoke everywhere and the door opens up and you feel that right simple man is simple man is a porch it is it is hot it is an unbuttoned shirt it is you it is the south uh uh give me three uh what tuesday's gone oh my god i mean you start getting into it like jesus christ what's the best leonard skinner song uh best leonard skinner song i mean my favorite is a song called i ain't the one motherfucker why how am i not listening to that it's so heavy give me back my bullets it's a great one i had to one like that first record pronounced leonard skinner ed king he actually uh because leon wickleson like he left the band really temporarily just enough time for them to cut this record and ed king played all the bass parts on that record so if you listen to the first album it's a guitar player playing bass and like there's some really inventive stuff that happened on the bass guitar on that first record um and this song's a great example of that i ain't the one i mean i don't think i've ever heard i ain't the one it's great so i'm so i'm really because i used to make fun of dead fans when they're like i'm a big dad they're really easy to make fun of it's it's orthodox church man i can't get into i can't get behind it for real yeah dude oh i love the deep cuts of the dead or what i like like you're a great grateful dad fan because you can do it casually yeah you know and we're both addictive personalities but we can do the grateful dad casually what does that say you know what i'm saying it's something that we don't have to do all the time every day god how do we how do we just find a way to fucking transition that into drugs and alcohol i'm just saying you know so wait so uh so what what would you say that is the so you say i ain't the ones the song but what's the song that exemplifies this band is it freebird is their best song i don't i don't know if it's their their best song i'd say you know that and sweet home alabama sweet home alabama i mean it's on the state sign sweet home i gotta be honest with anything i think and adam sandler ruined tuesday's gone for me oh really all i think of is happy gilmore's it's such a perfect song for that movie it's such a perfect song that it's like you know it's so funny that's what music's happened a little bit is it because the easiest way to get a song popular is get it on tiktok and then it becomes a tiktok song and then what what could have been an anthem for a generation now is just like like a dance move dude it pisses me off so bad like and i think i'm i'm definitely just sour grapes about it but like i got on stage and i was really feeling just kind of i don't know just down in the dumps because we were tired and like we're going on to play in this like c market and like we had a hard time filling up the room and we're just like it's a fucking monday night and like who wants to go to a concert in corpus christi on a monday fucking night and we're tired and we're up there and like i was playing a song i'm like this is a song i wrote and i went to a recording studio and i recorded it and then i like an adult i didn't put it right on fucking tiktok and it's because i'm sour about it and i get pissed off because there's like kids out there that are like you know gonna have me open for them and i've been just like with my head in the fucking dirt for 10 years and they haven't left their couch and you know and people are like they're in high demand yeah people are losing their fucking minds and i'm like this is what's wrong with our country bird this is what i was you know yeah no no i i listen i i'm i i i am biting my tongue because i'm i'm watching the decline of stand-up comedy yeah i'm watching it with my own eyes and i'm like and i'm like and i've said it to people i've said it i was like we had a we had a boom and it's but i don't i think started the decline like crowd work clips wow i'll tell you crowd work didn't help because it turned comedy into it it it introduced comedy to a bunch of people that didn't know about comedy as in this is how it's done you yell at them yeah and then they'll defend themselves right and that never was something anyone wanted to do what you want to do i mean the art form in essence is getting a bunch of strangers that's a very important part strangers to laugh at your idea and come together and celebrate funny ideas that that remind them that they're all the same um and then you know and i've had people yell out at my shows you know and it's tough to get you're i'm in a big venue so i don't know i don't i can't even fucking hear them right and then but yeah it's crowd work clips and it wasn't just that it was like crowd work clips it was that a couple guys did it and they did it pretty well like i'll tell you real quick uh mark norman and sam morrell are brilliant they're so good they're so good and but they're not even i gotta let everyone realize that that's not technically what they're doing what they're doing is they're writing on stage faster about topical issues than anyone else could yeah and so they're really brilliant comics they gotta rap as crowd work comics when it was that's not what i'm upset with matt rife's crowd work special is very fucking artful i mean he is very talented at crowd work big jay is the greatest big jay is in bag big jay they are insane crowd work comedians and i bring it up only because i've heard other people complain about crowd work clips and like when i see like big jay's crowd work special they them i'm like this is some of the greatest of all time i took my whole like family like the night before i got married to see big jay at uh zany's in nashville and like my super conservative like wife's family was just you know he almost walked him a few times oh yeah it was great yeah it was fantastic by the way i have to say this big jay when we took when he went out and did fully loaded with us he would get on stage and not do crowd work for 15 minutes and destroy oh he's sitting on a stool yeah and then but if he decides to do crowd work you will not move until he decides you're done yeah he is just brilliant he is but then a bunch of people thought they could do what big jay did and then it's just them going where you're from and the guy tells you he's like oh wow that's crazy there and then he gets four million views and you're like wow yeah and then i mean you know but once again it's like it's like there's a guy i was talking to and i and jeff acuria is his name and he was like i'm a big crowd work comic and i kind of rolled my eyes at it he's a very nice guy he's very talented but i was like i wouldn't say but he's known as a crowd work guy you know and i was like and i was just like that you know when we were kids crowd work's what we did to get out of a bad spot right that was when you were failing yeah you gotta yeah like you you know you and so but then i watched his videos i was like well he's pretty fucking amazing nice that was fantastic tommy what's up dude uh i'm on the podcast with marcus king oh what's up marcus what's up dude we were just talking about you oh okay hey uh hey what do you think about crowd work comics i mean it's a you know it's a to what level it's like it's a skill you should have if it's your whole set you ain't shit but i mean it's like you know it's definitely something you should be able to do oh okay we'll call you later we just uh i didn't realize i saved your your ringtone is it's raining men yeah scared the shit out of him it was great that's that's perfect yeah uh so who are you trashing in particular i know you're somebody no we know we were just no no marcus and i are having a very emotional two bears right now and so we're talking about next week we're going to be talking about negative comments and and not feeling worth anything and trying to get people to like us on stage and confidence and should we feel love and then and then and then marcus was talking about how musicians are tiktok kids and then all of a sudden they blow up yeah and he's like and it's kind of the similarity being like crowd work clips going viral to like kids like yeah you know that that was the kind of the similarity there we were discussing yeah i mean you know the one thing is don't forget that we all feel the same dude we all fucking feel the same it's everybody's the same we all wish we were liked more we all want more respect it's all we're the same yeah well clip that out everybody because i can't believe i've ever heard you say that you're the most confident fucking person i've ever met yeah that is not true that's not true okay okay and i love you and i love you too marcus i love you man all right i love you buddy do you know how many times it's so funny when we started talking about this it's like i have i have an authentic relationship with you i have an authentic relationship with jelly um i'll never have an authentic relationship with zach brown and i like zach a lot but because i met him when he was famous like so i'll always look at him as like that's zach brown yeah when i met you first time i ever saw you was on your mom's house and you just come out with your first album i think not your first obviously yeah seven i can't but yeah but i was like who is this guy and then i was like oh cool well he's like this sounds weird like he's attainable i can touch him because he's did tom's podcast no i know what you mean and so and then with jelly i knew before he was famous so i was like so jelly's never gonna be i'll never call him jason you know like i'm like you know like you know does that make sense he should jason but but you tom is someone i've known i knew tom when he was just fat with hot sauce in his back pocket yeah but then he also is this tom that i have to try to wrap my head around who he has a podcasting empire uh i mean it's i think he has the biggest podcasting network right now i think it's the biggest one out there um he is in production in like two movies and another tv show and he's producing other movies and then we own a he's outgrown me business-wise i'm just still you know a couple podcasts and and doing some tv and movies like he's huge i forget sometimes that he's my friend does that make sense i know what you mean where it's like and so when he says stuff like that like i've never i've never i'm like when is anything it humanizes him a little bit i forget that he's human yeah the cape comes off yeah like when we talk yeah like you know even just that conversation like what what's ever shaken you tom right who do you think is the most unshaken well let's go back to hold on let's who do you think the most unshakable musician out there is unshakable probably chris robinson because he's an asshole and he doesn't care what anybody thinks and like part of me sometimes is like i want that but then i'm like no i don't because there's like no empathy connected to it um you know i think that like completely unshakability is usually connected to probably some really deep-rooted issues that you haven't discovered yourself yeah you know so i i hate to answer the question because it's it really is just so aligned with just a personality type that i can't stand yeah you know i want people to be shakable i i'm the comics that artists enjoy by bad comments i i the con i'm not a big fan of their comedy now i mean the ones that are like i fucking love when they give me bad comments you're like yeah i think you're doing this wrong yeah i don't yeah you can't thrive off of negativity yeah and people that say that they do it's it's usually a farce they're usually saying it because you know it's like sometimes you can tell people's confidence is really just uh or people's ego is really just a mask for their deep insecurity and you can't hide that from from me anyway i can see somebody's bravado or like confidence i'm like this is a fucking mask it's a shell you're an insecure little man yeah you know and i've seen it a lot especially in the music industry boy you know musicians aside like people that work in the industry there's a lot of short angry little men with big confidence coats on dude there are guys in our business that are like i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't know business i'm not just talking comics in their business that i mean they fuck with you in a way that's so unfair and unhealthy that you think at least i know he's never gonna have a good relationship with a woman because that's who he is yeah like if you're gonna treat me like that a man and you're gonna try to fuck with my brain then i know that that's a controlling issue you have and you're taking into your marriage or your relationship with your kids there's one guy who i approached because he was fucking me over and uh he had his baby with him and he said what did you say to me and i was like i gotta say this you know i'm standing up for myself and he gave me his baby and he goes i didn't hear that say it again while you're holding my baby and i looked at his baby and i went you're fucked you're fucked you're so fucked it would be better if i dropped you on your head right now and you just had a brain damage then you know you're fucked you're fucked you're so fucked you're so fucked you're never had to understand who this person was wow you are so fucked that's incredible so fucked that's gonna seep into that baby's subconscious i think about that moment that's amazing and i was just you know that also that's a hardcore you know say that to me while you're holding my baby that's crazy i mean that's insanity it's insanity but our business welcomes insanity it's true yeah it welcomes the insane ones get you know so all of a sudden the insane ones are like i was just having a conversation i was like i wish i was a little more insane because i feel like dot dot dot would pay more attention to me because i know that dot dot dot works with dot dot dot yeah and the second dot dot dot's out of their fucking mind and they just want to put out that fire so they take care of them a ton yeah well the insane people now like the crazy ragers like i've been out here during grammy week like none of the artists can really let their hair down we are all such an image we can't be out on the streets you know like little nas x you know and his wasn't drug related but like somebody's gonna recognize you and they're gonna take a video he just had a he had a mental breakdown and i hope he's okay i'm a really big fan of his but i use that just to say like somebody's gonna recognize it they're gonna see you but like the music industry types they can get as fucked up as they want with like no repercussion because nobody recognizes them nobody says oh man you're the you know the the the the the the the the the the the you know attorney for umg that's crazy you're fucked up right now nobody knows that they have complete anonymity so they get completely housed and they have all these artists who are like playing outlaw like it's a fucking you know cops and robbers but they're you know really choir boys and they're not getting fucked up and they're not doing the shit that they sing about you know it's like when i see like morgan wallen throw a chair off a roof i'm like fuck yeah yeah you know you probably shouldn't do that but like that was genuine he got i don't know why he did it but that's awesome keith moon joe walsh uh keith richards do you think that they could survive in today's musical climate they could not no because the industry has weeded these types of people out you know the um you know the backlash that you get like if you're drunk on stage like even for comedians you know it's just artistry you know you have to be good all the time because you don't have any anonymity dude i got backlash and i've never been drunk on stage in arenas and i've never been drunk on stage in an arena they just someone just said that's what i bet he does and then the internet just took off of it they're like he's talking about burp it's always fucking hammered in arenas and i'm like never no you're never not once not once i did actually this weekend but not once thursday night lafayette i apologize it was an amazing show i was a little buzzed but uh but i but i did i did have a drink on stage and drank it before i would normally have started drinking but uh but never i've never fucking blackout drunk and you know that's what sucks about all of this is that all these fucking bands we just named are legends with stories that were like i don't know it's like if the internet was around there'd be i'm certain that ronnie van zandt at one point got jumped off stage and started a fistfight oh yeah if you did that today they'd be like he is uh marcus marcus king crash out he's problematic you know and then you would become an issue in the industry it's like axl rose jumped off the stage beat the shit out of him and he's like get out some guy that was awesome and he did it in like compression shorts and a cheetah jacket yes yes that was tight axl rose refuses to go on stage and starts a riot in toronto i've always said like dude would you want to read an artist's book if it was like we all followed the rules we went to bed on time we ate our greens the end yeah what kind of fucking story is that i want to hear some dirt but here's the thing is that like an artist don't really have that anymore you can't who's the who's who's probably the realist out there the realist like the realist like meaning like like you just said morgan whalen i don't know morgan whalen but i have a feeling i would really like him and i but i have a feeling i'd be really bad for him someone like i feel like i should never meet him that's a fair assessment like there's a there was someone someone just said to me the other day they're like you know you'd really get along with uh it was nate barkatze he goes do you know you'd really get along with and i said who and he said justin timberlake and i went oh fucking love justin timberlake he goes i'm gonna make sure you guys never meet and i went why and he goes trust me he is not you are not what he needs in his life right now and i i thought that i took that as a compliment but i was like that makes me like justin timberlake yeah makes me go oh i fucking like a dude who i don't know yeah but Who's like that, who's the real deal? Well, I kind of, like, people that are real, like, the way I kind of quantify that is just the people who are themselves on and off the stage. Lainey Wilson seems to me like she is. Oh, my gosh, she's so genuine. That she doesn't turn it off. No, she is like that all the time. She's just the sweetest person, and she was like that when she didn't have any money. She's like that now. She's one of my favorite people. Jamie Johnson is super real. Jamie Johnson's on that song with you. Yeah. Pity, is that, which song was Jamie's on? A song called Here Today. Here Today, yeah. And I wrote that with Lainey and my friend Meg McCree. Meg McCree's on this album. Yeah, Meg McCree, she wrote with me on the record, and Jamie Johnson and Caitlin Butts sang the song with me on the record. And those are two very real artists. Jesse Wells is on the record. He's very real, you know, and I really, I like what he does. Yeah. Because he's like, he gets compared to Bob Dylan, and then he like invites Joan Baez to sing with him. He's like, fuck it, I'm going to lean into it. You know, it's almost like a trolling bit at that point. Yeah. It's like, everybody's comparing me to Bob Dylan, I'm going to invite Joan Baez to sing with me. That's great. You know, he's awesome. Jelly's pretty real. Like when it's hard, like when, there's very few guys I know that have a dab station at a 5K. He's pretty fucking real. He's, yeah, he's. Shane Gillis is the realest. He's super real. He's, man. I love that guy. He is, he is, there's things people don't know about him that I would never share because I don't think it's what he'd ever want people to know about him. I mean, and they're not bad. Just like, they're just soft boy stuff. Soft boy stuff, and I love it. It makes me love him so much. Yeah. But when it comes to like, dude, he just wants to have a good time. He just wants, I mean, he just, he's the fucking epitome of a comic for me. Like the day I met him, and I made him do, I mean, this must have been like 15 years ago, and I made him do fireball shots at like nine in the morning with me. And he was like, oh, is this what we're doing? You know, it's like, it was like, I got to call my girlfriend. I was like, what? I was like, I'm dating this girl named Big Tuna. And I was like, really? He goes. Oh, she's a big girl. I was like, no shit. And he was like, oh, she plays like rugby or something. And I was like, yeah, I guessed. Wow. Or field hockey. And then I was like, wait, you have a, and then the next day, he emailed me. Oh, I hope I have, I don't have this email. I'll get the email. He emailed me. It's so funny, because it is who Shane is. Hey, Bert, I thought me and you got along really well yesterday. If you're looking for someone to take on the road with you. Ah, so earnest. It was. But he. He acts all the time. The sweetest, the nicest things in the world. Yeah. And he's like the epitome of one of the real ones, by opinion. Yeah. And then there's people that aren't. People that change their act based on what they feel like the temperature of the community is. And you're like. Yeah. Yeah. And I don't really have time for that. Like, I like to hang out with real people. I think you're one of the realest fucking people I know. I try to be, man. I just like to be honest. And I wouldn't say anything about anybody that I wouldn't say to them. You know, I just. And I don't like to talk shit about people. I just. I like to make my observations and, you know, I don't keep them secret. I just. I just see a lot of things happening and a lot of weird shit happening right now. You should do. You should do like Chris Gaines album. Yeah. Yeah. Where you, where you just write it for the TikTok. Yeah. Just a TikTok album. Just write the TikTok album. Dude. And just cause, I mean. It's not a bad idea. And just, but don't release it under Marcus King. Yeah. Release it under Chris Gaines and just. I just use that name again. Yeah. Actually write it under Burt Kreischer. And then I'll say I released an album. People will mock it, but it'll be so catchy. They'll be like, these are all the trends. Yeah. And then it'll go fucking viral. Dude. How funny would that be if I like went under a false name, but it's obviously just me singing. Like they love to see a white boy singing in a field. Those videos go crazy viral. Like acoustic guitar, woods. They love it. So I just go and do a bunch of those. Just singing in the woods. You know, I'm going to do it. I was going to take. So like, I'm really, I mean, I don't want to pause my, uh, my applauding myself. No, I'm working. Okay. I'm really good at like seeing the thing that's sexy that people don't know is sexy. Like the white boy playing in the woods is fucking. So it's like, especially like that early Oliver Anthony shit where it's like, and he's singing about oppression and, and, but white oppression and, and the internet. Yeah. I love, I love Oliver Anthony, but like you shouldn't use a capo on a dough, bro. That's my hot take. Um, I love him though. So wait, but I, I, I saw that and I went, wow, that's like that marketing wise. That's just brilliant. You know, maybe there's a part of me that should never have gotten in front of the mic. I should have stood behind stage and worked with talent. I don't think that part of me is still may come out in the next 15 years. I don't know. My wife thinks she wants to start a fucking management company. But, um. Um, but, but I am doing an only fans model for us and I had ideas that I was taking to create a backstory for the woman we got to make her more desirable to the guys that are going to support her only fans. And as I was doing it, I was doing it the same way you look at like those tick tock where you go, that's exhausting. And then I go, oh, there's tricks that are out there that I see them use. And I go, I, oh, I've got a game. I've got a game plan for this. And I called Tommy and I told him about it. And he was like, uh, this is like borderline manic lunatic ravings and fucking mad scientist. He was like, if you pull this off, it would break the fucking internet. And I was like, I wanted to, I really want to try it. But I, I always, I always think that there's a way it's like I'd watched, uh, my started by playing silly songs on guitar. Like, uh, I, my, my big claim to fame is I do impressions of different artists. Playing, uh, different songs. So I do the lead singer for the B-52s doing Jane says, Jane says, you know, like, and then I, and then I'd write funny songs about always to John Cougar or John Mellencamp because it was easy for me to wrap my head around. So when people started doing guitar music, I was like, oh, I'm going to jump into that real quick. And the second I did, I was like, this isn't what I want to do. Yeah. This isn't what I want to be. Wait, let's go back to our top five. So we can, we can round out here. And then. Guys, if you're interested, we're going to do a birdcast today. You can go over and listen to the birdcast. But now we got our, it's gotta be Leonard Skinner. It's gotta be sweet home, Alabama. Yeah. Okay. Uh, Marshall Tucker band. Can't you see? Can't you see? That's the one. You've been playing with him. Haven't you? I've been working with the original drummer. Okay. So what happened with that group was, uh, Tommy Caldwell. He was kind of the band's leader, the bass player. He, uh. He died in 1980 in a, in a car accident. And after he died, you know, the creative force in the band just kind of, it just wasn't one. So in 1983, when Paul Riddle quit, um, the band just kind of fell apart. Uh, Doug Gray kind of bought the rights to the, to the band's name. Cause there's not a real Marshall Tucker in the band. So he bought the rights to the name. The Marshall Tucker was like, that was the name on the lease for their rehearsal. That's how they got the name. So what we're trying to do now is like rebuild the legacy of the Caldwell brothers and me and Charlie star from Blackberry smoke. Oh, till Burbridge from dead and company. Um, oh, till Burbridge feels a bad motherfucker. He's so great. He's a bad motherfucker. He plays bass for the dead. Yeah. Everyone that's yeah. But he's a bad motherfucker and he's got a podcast. If I'm not mistaken, he's got a podcast with, uh, he does. Yeah. You're right. Yeah. Keep going. Yeah. But, uh, yeah. He's in the group and, um, we're just, we're playing Marshall Tucker band music and it's called toy factory, which was the original name for Marshall Tucker band before they named it Marshall Tucker band. So, okay. So it's Kansas City by Marshall Tucker band. And then, and then, uh, what was, uh, what was the other band we named? We named the black crows, black crows. Um, I mean, remedies, one of the greatest songs all the time. Um, sometimes salvation would probably be my favorite. Black crow song. She talks to angels was, was the one that's probably there. You know, that was the one that was like their entry into the universe. I remember when that came out. I mean, they, yeah, they, they blew up like remedies probably the, okay, let's go remedy. And then what were the other bands? We named two other bands. One was black smoke. Uh, feel a good one coming on. I'm going to name that one just cause. My wife and I's friend, Courtney coble. Who's one of the most hilarious people ever. She's a massive blackberry smoke fan. And she met Charlie at our wedding and she's like, I feel a good one coming on. And Charlie like didn't react at all. And, uh, I just thought it was the funniest situation of all time. So I text her that all the time, but that's a great song. Um, well they got so many good ones. Did you have a line in this album that said living life? in the mirrors or in the rear view mirrors. - Yeah. it hit me so hard today it overwhelmed me it overwhelmed me and i and i was like i wonder sometimes if you put song lyrics in and then we interpret them in such a deeper because i just thought i thought you can't really drive if you're looking at your mirrors yeah you don't know where you're going and i was like oh fuck and then i was like and cocaine yeah that's a crazy mirror to look into yeah it is so it's a it's pretty jarring it's a different guy it's a different guy the lean down is like is is who you are that is who you are yeah you've never had a more down-to-earth moment with yourself than staring at yourself in that mirror about to do coke it's pretty honest but the come up is like a brand it's like it's like who you want to be you're like oh this is the fucking man i could rip a tree out of the ground but i'm not gonna because i'm smart enough to know that everyone will know i'm yeah it's yeah and then what was the last we we had leonard skinner marshall tuggar band black crows and then we named one more all the allman brothers allman brothers yeah allman brothers man i'd say rambling man it's probably that was their first number one dickie betts wrote it um and it was in post it was like their first number one hit after after duane passed and dickie really had to step into that leadership role in the group because duane was the leader of the group and he passed away on a motorcycle accident in 71 and um yeah rambling man uh if i'm not mistaken i i think they might have cut that at criteria in miami but brothers and sisters they cut at uh capricorn it's unimportant to the story but you really are a little bit about melissa yeah was it melissa it's like there's this chick melissa in college had huge tits yeah and i learned that song and i was like i'm gonna fucking um in my head i was like she's never heard this song yeah i'm gonna play this song she's gonna think i wrote it about her yeah and i'm gonna get both of those tits tonight nice and she came into my into my room at ato and i was like here's the time a little cigarette put it on my string so it was wiggling you know it's really artsy and i started playing melissa and she goes oh the fucking almond brothers and got up and left oh no damn i hooked up with her sister as you do yeah i i yeah i used to see a girl named melissa and i did the same thing for real yeah yes sir will you write a song called the am and then i'll give you the lyrics yeah and it's like it's called oh leanne but it's not it's not oh leanne it's oh leanne right now as a comic one of the things i'm working on is getting all her laughs so she's got like three different laughs or four different i'm getting down to five but um so like all i'm doing is trying to make her laugh so i can learn all her laughs and then do them to my daughters because my daughters i did one to my daughters that and my daughters are like is that mom's laugh and i was like yeah it's mom's laugh and they're like shut up do another one and i was like i'm working on them that's it so it's so weird my job is so different than yours but it's also this playful world yeah you got to be yeah receptive yeah yeah what do you think people will say about us when we're gone you first uh let me do you want me to eulogize you or you want me to eulogize me i think you'd be good at eulogy eulogizing yourself i should do my own eulogy you should pre pre-tape it oh that's a great idea i'll do it right now okay all right here we go please play this at my funeral i would like to thank everyone who came and curse everyone who didn't burt kreischer myself was a great man he was better than you think but this is not gonna go well i'm already like dude i'm fucking angry that people didn't show up at my wedding or my funeral i want to know who i outlived look to your left look to your right look to your left is tom there god damn it no um i think all you need to know about burt kreischer is he tried so hard to make you happy that's all you need to know his only goal in life was to make you happy and he's gonna miss this life so much god man i'm gonna miss life so much yeah i'm gonna so bummed that i don't think i'd die because it hadn't happened yet you know but like i kind of think like fuck i'm gonna miss it so much i kind of wish like i don't mean i don't wish i told tom this one time but i was like if i had a button that could end the whole world i'd press it as i died and be like no one gets to live tink and he goes i can't believe you just said that out loud i said you wouldn't do that he goes no i wouldn't do that i want my kids to fucking have kids i was like i want mine to die with me i want everyone to die with me i don't want anyone to get no one gets to live if i don't get to live if i get to live everyone's gonna die go what oh man what would you say about marcus king i mean honestly you said it i love that i love that sentiment you know i was you know it resonates with me because all i really want to do is make you happy all you i'm telling you when i i'll tell you i'll tell you about you as a fan of you for all three of your seven albums how did i get so late to the game um as a fan the first one i got was 2020 and then 2022 and then the and then the one that had delilah on it it is too i mean to be fair it is kind of confusing because i put out three solo albums because i thought it would make sense because my band wasn't on them you know yeah and i got yeah so like um young blood i got el dorado el dorado was the first solo album i got a grammy nomination for that one and then young blood uh was the next one and like young blood i was so fucked up making that record like i'm so surprised that it even got made but there's a beauty to it though because i kind of just leaned into what i was comfortable with and then mood swings was the next one and then young blood was the next one and then next uh yeah i got i got el dorado young blood mood swings and darling blue that's ones i have we're gonna update that album artwork on there on google um but i'll tell you your music for anyone who doesn't know and i guess this could be played at your your funeral you have lived your life out loud opened up and shared all your scars and your pain and your joys and your questions and and your loves and your fears through music with possibly the biggest gift we've gotten in the music world which is you as an artist and you've done them selflessly for people to hopefully people sharing them and and from someone who struggles with almost every one of your vices and one of any of your insecurities i thank you because your music i can listen to it on a plane and throw on some sunglasses and cry and feel it and uh and your voice is just like so so so warming it's like it's like uh it's like your voice is like when it's a cloudy day at the beach but that there's one hole in the cloud and then sun shoots down and you watch that sun creep to you as the clouds move and that hole stays there that's your voice your voice is like a ray of sunshine thanks man i love you to death man love you brother bert and tom tom and bert one goes top of the other wears the shirt tom tells stories and bert's the machine there's not a chance in hell that they'll keep it clean here's what we call two bears one cave how you feel out loud is terrifying but that's what hinge's new free audiobook no ordinary love is all about it's a collection of real love stories about five couples that met on hinge the stories are written and read by temby dinton hurst nicola dynan curtis garner raven smith and rufy thorpe i hunter harris wrote and read the forward the audiobook's out now give it a listen